Honestly, I just cannot understand what is plaguing Boeing with their 777X? Even the FAA have doubts on some aspects of its development? Hopefully Boeing can sort it out very soon. Yes, the A350 rules the skies for now. Absolute marvel of an aircraft
I flew the A350-1000 Business Class on the Qatar QSuite from Dallas to Doha, Qatar then onto Chennai, India... Compared to many other planes, the A350-1000 made of composites was supremely quieter and I loved the huge windows... Looking forward to the 777X in a couple of years....! it looks like a winner by economical calculations & passenger comfort as well as sheer looks alone...
@@radiohead2206 Yes but it was the Boeing 787-9...A beautiful plane, but I wasn't impressed with it as much as the Airbus A-350-1000 which was incredibly quiet and my flight from Doha, Qatar to DFW was luxurious. I am definitely excited to see and fly on the new 777X coming out next year...
Having flown the A350 on several different airlines (sihngapore, Thai and BA to name 3) I do love it. What would give me most cause for concern with the new 777 is that it is brough to us by the company that fudges issues to get certification on other developments of existing airframes and build quality issue. I think I would want to see it working for a fair while beforew I sit on it, mind you I said the same about flying twin jets across the Altantic many years ag
Yeah, that's the issue at this point. TBF, flying is still incredibly safe. Safer than doing just about anything else. When here in the US, we lose 40k to alcohol, 40k to cars, and 100k to drug overdoses per year, what's a door plug between friends?
The 787 doesn't compete directly with a350 because it's a bit smaller and the a350 -1000 competes more with the 777X-8. The -9 is longer and a bit larger , suited for previous 777 300 and 747 operators
@@mmm0404 They do overlap by a bit. 78J and 359 are quite similar, with 78J having slightly lower seat cost and higher capacity, while 359 flies further. Between a 789 and 359 they have similar payload range capability, with 359 bigger and flies further, while 789 smaller and cheaper. A330NEO can't match 787 in all metrics, but doesn't have to. Within 4000nm its fuel burn trails by ~2%, which is actually impressive for a low cost development of just $2B, with only the engine and winglet are significantly changed. They have ~2/3 of 787 orders since launch, and in a few sales battle 787 has to match price to win, despite being a more modern and capable frame. In comparison, Boeing carrierd much more extensive changes and spent at least $6B on 777X, still cannot compete head to head with A350.
@@steinwaldmadchen The B789 is a smaller than the a350 and has less range but not by much. In terms of sitting capacity the 787-10 does match the -900 , but lags terribly with range . The 777X competes more with the 350-1000 , and that's for the Smaller -8X... , The -9 is larger . I don't think the 777X was ment really to complete with the a350 but mostly as a replacement for current 777 operators and previous 747 operators.... It's a better replacement for for Emirates a380 than the 350 . That's why Emirates has not ordered the -1000 ....
I already flew 2 times with the A350 and the Boeing 787-9 in the past 3 years. I must say that in terms of noise the Dreamliner is a little bit more quiet. But compared to A320/A330 and Boeing 777-200/300ER it feels like half the noise. Love them both.
The 777x will certainly be better with its wider cabin, Qatar airways will be able to configure their planes better and have more comfortable seats! The two planes are superb but I must say that I prefer the 777x which will undoubtedly be better for the passengers and the pilots but as far as airlines are concerned, the A350 meets more needs and is a little more economical!
@@tigerchuu2148 but its not it's literally the same thing! My girlfriend works for Qatar Airways as a flight attendant so I’ve been on both aircraft multiple times
@@themanman165 The product is the same I know i've flown the qsuit on both airplaines but even though the product are the same the airplanes are not so the experience is different.
A350 because its versatile and airbus can further extend on market demand as Ultrafan engines gets ready, and airbus will be in a position to launch a350 neo with further lower fuel burn hence making 777x more vulnerable. Already 777x wont be ready as early as 2025. Boeing will face the same issues like MAXX vs NEO in next 7-8 years.
The A350 is not well suited to carry cargo, and that part was missing in this video. Airlines are going to want the 777 because it's going to carry more passengers and cargo, and do it significantly cheaper than the A380. The 777-9 is not built to compete with the A350-1000. It's basically going to be in a class all by itself.
@@sainnt FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!! I've been saying this since 2013. The A350-1000 competes with the 77W. The 777-9X are class by in itself. The last 10yrs years the fanboys have been comparing the 777X with A35K which never made sense. The 777X was designed to be the true sucessor to the 747-400 and at a stretch the A380.
That's because it's not a composite heavy aircraft like the A350 or Dreamliner. It's built using more metal. However it's lighter than the current 777, has composite wings and a much more modern engine. All adds up to 15% better fuel efficiency, and no competition in its class.
@@sainnt I don't know much beyond the specs, but I just know that the 777-9 has similar seating capacity and range as the a350-900. How else do they differ?
This is why this video makes no sense. Until the 777X dont start flying, it cant be compared to the A350. Im belive, the 777 X will be better. Boeing need a win after the MAX
I couldn't believe the listed price difference between the two planes when I looked it up. The A350 likely provides better fuel efficiency than the 777 all while coming in at $100 million less. Surely the only reason an airline would consider purchasing the 777 over the A350 is for larger capacity
Totally wrong. The 777x capacity 426 and a range of 7285miles. A350-1000 capacity (max) 480 and range 8700 miles plus the A350-1000 is approx 100million less!
That's not true. These planes are incredibly similar..the 777 has a 30 year impeccable history with thousands of trained techs all over the world.that's the major advantage with Boeing
@@iLoveBoysandBerries But 777X is still significantly bigger with no real advantage on seat cost. Some airlines like JAL and Cathay has started replacing 777 1-to-1 with similar sized 350, or downsizing 77W to 359 instead. Seems like only those who can fill an A380 are taking 777X, and even if they do, often they don't order as many as they did for 77W.
You got this one right. All the numbers favor the A350 1000. The fact the A350 has better seat/mile economics that the larger 777x speaks volumes. Boeings money plane is the 787 in that it has similar technology to A350 & performance figures are very similar, particularly with GENX engines, by all accounts
I agree, I wonder why they couldn't make an even larger version of the 787 to replace all the 777s while the 787-10 already replaces the smaller 777s. But hands down, Airbus would be my pick.
The A350 is such a comfortable plane. The width, wall shape and cabin pressure really makes a difference. The curved wings and cockpit windows are so good looking. The 777x looks very good too. If SQ keeps 333 on the 777x it will be very comfortable.
Both are great planes, although i wish Boeing did better and pay more attention to 777X development. SQ probably will do 3-3-3 on 777-9, but I am not that optimistic after they put the 3-3-3 on the 787
They will definitely not go 3-3-3 on the 777X because due to a wider cabin the Economy seats on the 777X with 3-4-3 will be just as wide as on the A350 with 3-3-3.
The 777X has a lot of ground to make up when it finally makes it into service. As was the A380 the Achilles for Airbus, could the 777X be Boeing's??? The 747 had decades to make her mark and stamp herself as the Queen of the skies. While unfortunately the A380 will have far less time, despite being far superior in a lot of ways. Yes, the A350 will have only had a decade up it's sleeve by the time the 777X is supposedly going to be in service, but given the way technology moves, how the travel industry operates and several other factors... that 10 years advantage, may as well be 30 years. Meaning there's a lot of catching up to do! I look forward to flying with either when the time comes though, as I find long haul gruelling unfortunately, so anything that makes the flight more comfortable and quicker, whilst also being more efficient and environmentally friendly, to a point, is a good thing.
@@breadbot999 who told u,, just check the data…they got enough order of 737 max..n there are more than 500 787 over due supply,,,,2023 is gonna be year fr boeing ,since airliners r getting confidence in boeing back
From the numbers being shown (0.09 vs 0.11 lb/seat/nautical mile), the A350 offers 18% lower fuel consumption on a per passenger basis. This is a big advantage for Airbus; at least a generational gap.
Well, you seem to forget that the A350-1000 is a smaller airplane than the 777-9 so overall trip cost is lower obviously. However on a per-seat-basis the 777-9 wins*. In the end it's down to the airline and what the airline needs and which airplane works better for them. *=Based on the 9-abreast A35K. With the new super cramped 10-abreast Economy the A35K may become better. But which airline will be ready to put their reputation on risk by doing this?
They really pushed the old airframe to thenlimit to give 777x an chance to compeate with A350... and it might, but im sceptical. What is really intesting is next gen blank Sheet airline where all tve tech from both 777x and 787 are combined.
@@russellstrom8234 while 777 isnt "that" old.. now when we going over to composite, its like when we went from wood to metal, sudenly all airframes are outdated.
@@matsv201 When will it be released in 2100? Boeing says the 777x is due late 25 at least and the 787 hasn't had one delivered in over 14 months. Every military plane the Redhawk trainer still not ready Ospreys kill 51 so far, KC46 Pegasus still not fully deployed and years late all due to QC issues.
@@eleventy-seven boeing and airbus will keep at least one plane under development at any time. Now all boeings staf is bussy fixing thr 777x after they just fixed the 737max. But they will be on the next projecr the minute its in peoduction. For airbus they finish up the 321XLR and the A350F, then its onto the next priject. I guess the A220-700., then after that probobly a new clean sheet. The point is. They are always develop8ng somethung.
I like the A350, a very comfortable airliner and one of my fav. But the 777 is where my aviation passion built in me when I was a kid, so I prefer the 777x.
The 777x fuselage ripped badly during ground tests and Boeing brushed it off by saying the burst happened right at the end of the test, so no worries. After some bad landings and flying around in real-world conditions, that fuselage weakness gives me the creeps. Then there was a report that there was some kind of near-disaster during a flight test that is contributing to the delay in getting the plane flying with the airlines. Sir Tim Clark made the comment that Boeing hadn’t done its homework before committing the plane to begin airline flights some years ago. I sure hope airline engineers and the FAA go over the 777x very carefully before starting scheduled flights.
The A350-900 is a whole different category than the 777X. Even the A350-1000 is smaller than the 777-9. Compare orders for the A350-1000 and 777-9 and you will be surprised ...
Well if Boeing doesn’t give emirates their fair share, numbers will drop to 300 orders. Meanwhile airbus is constantly working to fulfill hundreds of orders that are not likely to be dropped.
What I liked most about the Airbus A350 XWB is in fact the tail and fuselage cameras, which is perfect for me to use during takeoff, landing, and even if my window shade is closed.
So the 777-9 empty weight is roughly 50 tonnes higher than 350-1000, while MTOW is 42 tonnes higher. There is no way the 777 can be more efficient with it's higher thrust engines.
I think the triple 7 was supposed to have been revised, it would have been ideal if they thought of making it 50 or 60 percent composite in order to reduce its weight and increase fuel efficiency.
The a350 is a great modern airliner and the 777 series is the most successful twin engine wide-jet . It's a pity if Boeing can't get its sh*t together and squanders its own engineering heritage.
OK since Airbus does seem to be more fuel efficient the thing I think would make a difference is pick a destination like LA to Tokyo with both planes full add the average cost on the flight times the seat capacity. Then calculate the fuel burn for the flight. Minus that figure from the revenue then minus the crew salary and see which one comes on top. Now I know there are more factors involved like meals etc... can anyone come up with the two figures and let me know. I'm just too lazy to do the math.
All we need is an A350-1000 XL with 30 more seats and the 777X will be redundant, Im surprised Airbus haven’t made an announcement yet, They have indicated but not confirmed..maybe in the future.
I didn’t know the test pilots flight in that protective gear! Hopefully they can eject is something wrong happens! Only time will tell which is better!
Boeing launched the 747 in 1966,entered revenue service in 1970,just 4 years,the 777x was launched in 2012 and is due to enter service in 2025,13 years,compare computer technology of the 60s in issues like design and calculations,with today technology,we are going backwards
With the world essentially coming to a screeching halt with Covid in the middle of it. A Ford Model A took a lot less time to build than a modern car too, wanna daily drive one?
@@heidirabenau511 thats the problem with fanboys. They only support what they want to. True enthusiasts appreciate everything about aviation without showing bias. The fanboys kust ruin it for everyone else. Both the 777 and A350 are amazing aircraft in their own right
@@chrismckellar9350 the 777X has a wider interior and larger windows. Is better looking and it's predecessor has been voted best wide body for long haul..Having a newer airframe doesn't make the 350 better lol. And technically most 777x airframes will be younger than most 350 anyways
While I enjoy your content, but isn’t this video a little too soon? How can you declare an aircraft that’s been in service for 7yrs to an aircraft that hasn’t flown a single passenger the winner? That’s like comparing the 787 to Boeing’s next clean sheet aircraft that Calhoun says is a couple years off.
For airlines it is all about running costs and fuel economy per seat mile is a major part of that. The B777X is a superb aircraft but suffers in two regards. Despite all the marketing hype about the B777X it is difficult to see the aircraft as anything other than ‘mutton dressed as lamb’. The A350 is a modern design using light weight composite materials and has now established itself as reliable and efficient. The lack of significant order numbers for the B777X indicates that airlines are not convinced.
And yet, even with the A350 already proven and ready to go, there are over 300 orders for the 777-x Every new aircraft has to prove itself, even if it's a newer version of an older aircraft. Airlines may like the new and shiny modern technology of new aircraft, but they also like the reputation and reliability of proven aircraft, which is why the Airbus is selling so many Neo aircraft, and Boeing is still moving so many Max aircraft despite all the issues.
@@sainnt No US-airline has ordered the B 777X, and none will do it, it is the same as for the b 747-8I, and the b 777X will be the same economical failure for Boeing.
@@he8570 It's not going to fail just because US airlines have not ordered it. Only Delta Airlines has ordered the A350, and it's not a failure. The 747-8i is not a failure because Boeing actually made a profit, compared to the A380 where Airbus didn't. And they sold plenty of cargo variants. And, US Airlines are not like Middle East and Asia operators who operate gateway hub operations. US airlines are mostly point to point, getting passengers to their international airport hubs by using regional jets, so they don't need that kind of capacity. They also don't operate first class anymore. That explains why they've ordered way more 787 than any widebody Airbus has to offer. The 777-X will be just fine. Once airlines start operating them, other airlines will join. Plus, it's going to enjoy additional success as a cargo variant. The program will be just fine.
As a passenger, I like to 8350 better simply because they have a little better technology in the entertainment system like you can watch different parts of the aircraft on cameras, that boeing does not have! My girlfriend is a flight attendant for Qatar Airways and as far as they’re concerned, Boeing is a better aircraft! They say it’s set up better for crewmembers
A350 is a better aircraft. I loved flying in it! A350-900 is out selling the -1000 by a wide margin. Larger capacity without much better efficiency of 777-9 will hinder its sales. More likely to fill a smaller and make money instead of flying a larger plane that is not full.
The original 777 was just great. I am European, so of cause I lean towards Airbus. What I wonder most is, that the 777X although quite a bit newer does not offer too much advantage on paper over the now "older" A350; or am I missing something?
An A350-1100 or whatever it is called would marginalise the 777x, simply the A350 is far, far lighter. What is needed is an engine to make this possible. In 5 years the RR innovations should make it worthwhile to introduce a neo across the range but in particular a larger stretched version. Not sure whether the wing on the A350 can be extended with the patented downward folding wingtips, if it is economically feasible then an aspect ratio of 10+ should be within the grasp of Airbus. Those two improvements would drag the A350 into an unassailable position from an efficiency perspective. It would be nigh on impossible for the B777x in its current to compete, its heavy fuselage handicaps it too much.
Almost seems like Boeing just wants to win a game of top trumps by creating an aircraft with bigger numbers, so they’ve just made a plane that happens to be longer, taller and more capacity, but the important stuff like efficiency isn’t quite there. Almost like when the a380 became a thing, Boeing quickly decided to create a longer 747 that happened to be longer than the a380vand a340, same thing here, airbus makes a new aircraft so Boeing just makes a larger version of one of its current aircraft to compete and win a game of top trumps.
uhhh no? The plane is designed to fit a certain market , the 747 was first built in 1969 wayyy before the a380 (original 747 designed for cargo and for pan am also) , the original 747 100 could carry 480 passengers in a one class config and had a wingspan of 60m and a length of about 71m , the 747-8 can carry 605 in one class with a length of about 76m and wingspan of 68m , it was made to be better in every way compared to the previous 747 family , not to the a380. The 777X in other ways is a twin engines worthy successor to the queen of the skies. Boeing will always be superior in wb deliveries , as it offers conversions for almost every aircraft (except the 787) . Boeing will always be better at making aircraft that are versatile and flexible, while airbus will favor passenger comfortability as its the only thing its known for. And anyways an actual avgeek likes every plane sooooooo
Why that? The economy seats in the 777X will be just as wide as in the A350. Business and first seats most probably even wider. Windows are much bigger, cabin altitude is the same. Noise in cabin should be even less (don't know about this one for sure).
B777X delays feels like intel's 10nm lithography process delays. B777X will give airbus hard times if they able to deliver this aircraft in 2020. But boeing missed their chances just like intel missed their chances to fight amd with proper product stacks.
Such a valid point, now TSMC can do 5nm chips I think and it looks like China has just cracked the 5nm lithography with Alibaba, but Huawei is brining something new to the table, Photonic 5nm and it's a home grown technology where they don't even need to buy lithography machines. Where is Intel? I think somewhere back in the 80s. Why is it that all phones are ARM, Apple is now ARM, none of these need fans but drop a i7 11th gen into a box with Windows and it will run a fan all day with just notepad open. My thoughts are the same, the US is really dropping the ball on tech and I think Asia is going to get the jump. What does the US do now with trying to ban lithography machines for 5nm processing when China now has their own new custom products. And these planes are the same examples, just so far behind, delays, loss of confidence, better products in other markets.
The elephant in the room is 777X or 777 in general is too heavy. 778 simply can't compete with 35K, and chances are a 350-1100 is lighter than a 77W while carrying as many as a 779. I just can't see how 779 can survive this. Regarding your computer chip analogs, do note that subsequential Zen architectures actually beats Intel in terms of thermal and power consumption, even at some point have superior IPCs? These are traditional Intel strong holds, yet even with Alder Lake they can't reclaim all of these, actually get worse in some aspects. In both cases I'd say A350 and Ryzen successfully challenge the status quo, and that's good enough for Airbus and AMD alike.
@@tronwars7130 I'm replying to the TO with Arabic name. Regarding chip, ARM is definitely a serious challenger to x86, just like how x86 challenged other architectures in HPC space. Of course Apple has the talent, resources and demand inhouse to develop a competent Apple Silicon, but they're not the only one. Fugaku for example, is an ARM-based supercomputer developed by Fujitsu, and it's also highly efficient despite its computing power. Meanwhile for
@@steinwaldmadchen i think since intel lost their edge over amd they didn't have any core's IP efficient enough to beat Zen cores from amd so they know their weakness and try to offer something they can deliver today (leading single-thread performance and competitive multi-thread performance at OK/good price). It isn't the best way to compete with amd but at least that's what intel can do today. They still needs years to catch up with amd but hopefully they can keep their pace.
As much as I love the 777X, I have to admit the A350 is an absolute marvel of engineering
Honestly, I just cannot understand what is plaguing Boeing with their 777X? Even the FAA have doubts on some aspects of its development? Hopefully Boeing can sort it out very soon. Yes, the A350 rules the skies for now. Absolute marvel of an aircraft
When you try the 777X-8 with the cabin altitude as a private jet and much further range, I think you'd change your mind
@@abdelkadermehiz9407 what bullshit to read!!!
I flew the A350-1000 Business Class on the Qatar QSuite from Dallas to Doha, Qatar then onto Chennai, India... Compared to many other planes, the A350-1000 made of composites was supremely quieter and I loved the huge windows... Looking forward to the 777X in a couple of years....! it looks like a winner by economical calculations & passenger comfort as well as sheer looks alone...
I think that we’re all wining by having Airbus and Boeing fighting for the better plan.
Great sharing
Did you ever fly a Dreamliner?
@@radiohead2206 Yes but it was the Boeing 787-9...A beautiful plane, but I wasn't impressed with it as much as the Airbus A-350-1000 which was incredibly quiet and my flight from Doha, Qatar to DFW was luxurious. I am definitely excited to see and fly on the new 777X coming out next year...
The A350 is a proven reality while the 777x still has to deliver its promise
So true, but before that it needs to promise to deliver!
The A350 is a Dreamliner knockoff! And, actually not as good or as fuel efficient.
@@sainnt the A350 does not even compete against 787, Stop comparing them.
@@sainnt and the fact that you say is a “Dreamliner knockoff” they are different.
@@kathy8770 They're similar in terms of the way they were built. They're the only two mainly composite aircraft, and the Dreamliner was first.
Honestly, thank you for just starting the vid without any stupid bumpers or anything like that that wastes 5-10s of vid time. Really appreciate it.
Having flown the A350 on several different airlines (sihngapore, Thai and BA to name 3) I do love it. What would give me most cause for concern with the new 777 is that it is brough to us by the company that fudges issues to get certification on other developments of existing airframes and build quality issue. I think I would want to see it working for a fair while beforew I sit on it, mind you I said the same about flying twin jets across the Altantic many years ag
I’m sure both are fabulously capable aircraft, but when push comes to shove, would I trust a new Boeing? - no. Airbus every time
Yeah, that's the issue at this point.
TBF, flying is still incredibly safe. Safer than doing just about anything else. When here in the US, we lose 40k to alcohol, 40k to cars, and 100k to drug overdoses per year, what's a door plug between friends?
I was rooting for the 777 but the A350 edges it out...the wingtip bend on the A350 is so cool.
777x will have its work cut out to compete with A350.
I love flying on the A350 and its unparalleled comfort but I'm really looking foward to trying the 777X.
Hopefully get it by the end of 2025 haha
Agreed!
if you really like 10-across seatings in 777x
@Beef Supreme I have a family of 3 so a 3-4-3 config would be perfect for me. I make a point of paying extra to pick my seats.
I'm actually amazed how a350 is compared to both b777 and b787, and still is able to keep up or even outclass both on some areas
b787 is a330neo competitor also?
@@ezrasianturi6159 yes but the 787 is way beyond its league and is outselling it. The a330 neo cannot keep up with the 787
The 787 doesn't compete directly with a350 because it's a bit smaller and the a350 -1000 competes more with the 777X-8. The -9 is longer and a bit larger , suited for previous 777 300 and 747 operators
@@mmm0404 They do overlap by a bit. 78J and 359 are quite similar, with 78J having slightly lower seat cost and higher capacity, while 359 flies further.
Between a 789 and 359 they have similar payload range capability, with 359 bigger and flies further, while 789 smaller and cheaper.
A330NEO can't match 787 in all metrics, but doesn't have to. Within 4000nm its fuel burn trails by ~2%, which is actually impressive for a low cost development of just $2B, with only the engine and winglet are significantly changed. They have ~2/3 of 787 orders since launch, and in a few sales battle 787 has to match price to win, despite being a more modern and capable frame.
In comparison, Boeing carrierd much more extensive changes and spent at least $6B on 777X, still cannot compete head to head with A350.
@@steinwaldmadchen
The B789 is a smaller than the a350 and has less range but not by much.
In terms of sitting capacity the 787-10 does match the -900 , but lags terribly with range .
The 777X competes more with the 350-1000 , and that's for the Smaller -8X... , The -9 is larger . I don't think the 777X was ment really to complete with the a350 but mostly as a replacement for current 777 operators and previous 747 operators.... It's a better replacement for for Emirates a380 than the 350 . That's why Emirates has not ordered the -1000 ....
Whos watching this in 2024
I already flew 2 times with the A350 and the Boeing 787-9 in the past 3 years. I must say that in terms of noise the Dreamliner is a little bit more quiet. But compared to A320/A330 and Boeing 777-200/300ER it feels like half the noise. Love them both.
787 is just slightly better than the noisy 777-300ER
The a350 is quiter than 787
@kwwong2893 having flown on both, it's way better than the 300er.
Qatar A350 Q-suite is probably the best flight experience I’ve ever had. So sad that Airbus and Qatar are on bad terms because it’s a great product
The 777x will certainly be better with its wider cabin, Qatar airways will be able to configure their planes better and have more comfortable seats! The two planes are superb but I must say that I prefer the 777x which will undoubtedly be better for the passengers and the pilots but as far as airlines are concerned, the A350 meets more needs and is a little more economical!
The Qsuite is also in the triple seven which is the same exact thing, so I don’t know what you’re talking about
@@themanman165 I know but the A350 and the 777 is not the same airplane so the experience is still different :)
@@tigerchuu2148 but its not it's literally the same thing! My girlfriend works for Qatar Airways as a flight attendant so I’ve been on both aircraft multiple times
@@themanman165 The product is the same I know i've flown the qsuit on both airplaines but even though the product are the same the airplanes are not so the experience is different.
A350 because its versatile and airbus can further extend on market demand as Ultrafan engines gets ready, and airbus will be in a position to launch a350 neo with further lower fuel burn hence making 777x more vulnerable. Already 777x wont be ready as early as 2025. Boeing will face the same issues like MAXX vs NEO in next 7-8 years.
And then Boeing can replace the 747/777 families with one brand new aircraft family and take the "A350NEO" head on.
@@mh12-47 won't that take years and years to come to fruition?
@@mh12-47 won't that take years and years to come to fruition?
The A350 is not well suited to carry cargo, and that part was missing in this video. Airlines are going to want the 777 because it's going to carry more passengers and cargo, and do it significantly cheaper than the A380. The 777-9 is not built to compete with the A350-1000. It's basically going to be in a class all by itself.
@@sainnt FINALLY SOMEONE UNDERSTANDS!!! I've been saying this since 2013. The A350-1000 competes with the 77W. The 777-9X are class by in itself. The last 10yrs years the fanboys have been comparing the 777X with A35K which never made sense. The 777X was designed to be the true sucessor to the 747-400 and at a stretch the A380.
07:50 Surprising to see how much heavier the 777x is in comparison to its competitors.
29% heavier than A350-1000
That's because it's not a composite heavy aircraft like the A350 or Dreamliner. It's built using more metal. However it's lighter than the current 777, has composite wings and a much more modern engine. All adds up to 15% better fuel efficiency, and no competition in its class.
@@sainnt But is it not also competing against the a350?
@@blackhole4106 The 777-9 is in a class all by itself. The A350 cannot match it. The A350 competes with the current 777.
@@sainnt I don't know much beyond the specs, but I just know that the 777-9 has similar seating capacity and range as the a350-900. How else do they differ?
The A350 as its actually flying...
#airbusforever
This is why this video makes no sense. Until the 777X dont start flying, it cant be compared to the A350. Im belive, the 777 X will be better. Boeing need a win after the MAX
I couldn't believe the listed price difference between the two planes when I looked it up. The A350 likely provides better fuel efficiency than the 777 all while coming in at $100 million less. Surely the only reason an airline would consider purchasing the 777 over the A350 is for larger capacity
Totally wrong. The 777x capacity 426 and a range of 7285miles. A350-1000 capacity (max) 480 and range 8700 miles plus the A350-1000 is approx 100million less!
@johnchristmas7522 You said "totally wrong" and then 100% agreed with them.
A350-1000 😎👌
#airbusforever
Both are designed for very different needs. Airline CEO's will carfully decide which aircraft suite their needs and order accordingly.
#airbusforever
Exactly. They are both great aircraft, even with the problems, that fill a different need.
long haul. similar capacities
That's not true. These planes are incredibly similar..the 777 has a 30 year impeccable history with thousands of trained techs all over the world.that's the major advantage with Boeing
@@iLoveBoysandBerries But 777X is still significantly bigger with no real advantage on seat cost. Some airlines like JAL and Cathay has started replacing 777 1-to-1 with similar sized 350, or downsizing 77W to 359 instead.
Seems like only those who can fill an A380 are taking 777X, and even if they do, often they don't order as many as they did for 77W.
You got this one right. All the numbers favor the A350 1000. The fact the A350 has better seat/mile economics that the larger 777x speaks volumes. Boeings money plane is the 787 in that it has similar technology to A350 & performance figures are very similar, particularly with GENX engines, by all accounts
I agree, I wonder why they couldn't make an even larger version of the 787 to replace all the 777s while the 787-10 already replaces the smaller 777s. But hands down, Airbus would be my pick.
As a European it would be helpful if you add metric scales as well…
As an American i am dissapointed that the unit 'football fields'was never used.
Yes, definitely agree with you! These conversions...
I'm literally looking at the specs screen right now with both units included.
@@uap24they are useless buddy. Useless.
Football vs soccer. I mean improper use of English.
Since B777X will be 10 YEARS newer than the A350 it must be ALOT better not just match the older design.
The A350 is such a comfortable plane. The width, wall shape and cabin pressure really makes a difference. The curved wings and cockpit windows are so good looking. The 777x looks very good too. If SQ keeps 333 on the 777x it will be very comfortable.
Both are great planes, although i wish Boeing did better and pay more attention to 777X development. SQ probably will do 3-3-3 on 777-9, but I am not that optimistic after they put the 3-3-3 on the 787
777 is wider
They will definitely not go 3-3-3 on the 777X because due to a wider cabin the Economy seats on the 777X with 3-4-3 will be just as wide as on the A350 with 3-3-3.
The 777X has a lot of ground to make up when it finally makes it into service. As was the A380 the Achilles for Airbus, could the 777X be Boeing's???
The 747 had decades to make her mark and stamp herself as the Queen of the skies. While unfortunately the A380 will have far less time, despite being far superior in a lot of ways.
Yes, the A350 will have only had a decade up it's sleeve by the time the 777X is supposedly going to be in service, but given the way technology moves, how the travel industry operates and several other factors... that 10 years advantage, may as well be 30 years. Meaning there's a lot of catching up to do!
I look forward to flying with either when the time comes though, as I find long haul gruelling unfortunately, so anything that makes the flight more comfortable and quicker, whilst also being more efficient and environmentally friendly, to a point, is a good thing.
I'd be cool to see an updated version of this comparison once the 777x actually starts being in service!
Best put the kettle on, it may be quite a wait 😊
One plane is actual certified
#airbusforever
A bird in the hand.....
@@heidirabenau511 lol
The biggest difference: The A350 is on the market.
Man, I really hope Boeing are able to deliver on the 777x. Boeing really needs a win after the 737Max.
2022 has been full of losses for Boeing lol
Rough times for them
@@breadbot999 Airbus FAILED in Qatar . Boeing is rising
@@breadbot999 When the corporate world overrules science, shit happens.
@@breadbot999 who told u,, just check the data…they got enough order of 737 max..n there are more than 500 787 over due supply,,,,2023 is gonna be year fr boeing ,since airliners r getting confidence in boeing back
737max was always a great plane. It was a software glitch that caused the crash. They fixed it
From the numbers being shown (0.09 vs 0.11 lb/seat/nautical mile), the A350 offers 18% lower fuel consumption on a per passenger basis. This is a big advantage for Airbus; at least a generational gap.
This is why A350 is superior
Too early to draw conclusions about fuel efficiency since 777x hasn't even entered service yet.
A350-1000 certainly beat 777-9 efficiency in many way.....but Airlines decisions are very complex tasks....so many factors involved 🛫🤓
Well, you seem to forget that the A350-1000 is a smaller airplane than the 777-9 so overall trip cost is lower obviously. However on a per-seat-basis the 777-9 wins*. In the end it's down to the airline and what the airline needs and which airplane works better for them.
*=Based on the 9-abreast A35K. With the new super cramped 10-abreast Economy the A35K may become better. But which airline will be ready to put their reputation on risk by doing this?
A350 >>
#airbusforever
Doesn’t sound like the new 777 offers that much more than the A350-1000
They really pushed the old airframe to thenlimit to give 777x an chance to compeate with A350... and it might, but im sceptical.
What is really intesting is next gen blank Sheet airline where all tve tech from both 777x and 787 are combined.
@@matsv201 yea we don’t need the 777 to be the next 737,meaning older airframes keep around forever
@@russellstrom8234 while 777 isnt "that" old.. now when we going over to composite, its like when we went from wood to metal, sudenly all airframes are outdated.
@@matsv201 When will it be released in 2100? Boeing says the 777x is due late 25 at least and the 787 hasn't had one delivered in over 14 months. Every military plane the Redhawk trainer still not ready Ospreys kill 51 so far, KC46 Pegasus still not fully deployed and years late all due to QC issues.
@@eleventy-seven boeing and airbus will keep at least one plane under development at any time. Now all boeings staf is bussy fixing thr 777x after they just fixed the 737max. But they will be on the next projecr the minute its in peoduction.
For airbus they finish up the 321XLR and the A350F, then its onto the next priject. I guess the A220-700., then after that probobly a new clean sheet.
The point is. They are always develop8ng somethung.
I like the A350, a very comfortable airliner and one of my fav. But the 777 is where my aviation passion built in me when I was a kid, so I prefer the 777x.
B787 is the best 👍
777x.9 is the winner for me as I am a big fan of the 777 family group
Both of the giants are quite good machines, however the time will show us which aircraft is better, it's a matter of time.
Hoping that tge a350 would also get more stretvh in order to compete with the 777x specialty for ME airliness
The Boeing 777-9 is a very promising jet and will be an important jet, wait a minute...will it enter service at the first place?probably
2:41 what a livery😍
The 777x fuselage ripped badly during ground tests and Boeing brushed it off by saying the burst happened right at the end of the test, so no worries. After some bad landings and flying around in real-world conditions, that fuselage weakness gives me the creeps. Then there was a report that there was some kind of near-disaster during a flight test that is contributing to the delay in getting the plane flying with the airlines. Sir Tim Clark made the comment that Boeing hadn’t done its homework before committing the plane to begin airline flights some years ago. I sure hope airline engineers and the FAA go over the 777x very carefully before starting scheduled flights.
B777x order book been opened since 2013 with 341 orders.. whilst the first 9 years of A350 had 777 orders, that's more than double.
The A350-900 is a whole different category than the 777X. Even the A350-1000 is smaller than the 777-9. Compare orders for the A350-1000 and 777-9 and you will be surprised ...
Well if Boeing doesn’t give emirates their fair share, numbers will drop to 300 orders. Meanwhile airbus is constantly working to fulfill hundreds of orders that are not likely to be dropped.
What I liked most about the Airbus A350 XWB is in fact the tail and fuselage cameras, which is perfect for me to use during takeoff, landing, and even if my window shade is closed.
350 any day !
By far the best looking plane EVER, btw !
Wow!
I like that both are amazing!😊
It would be helpful if you add S.I units like kgs and kms.
Thank you love your content.
#airbusforever
Thank you for not using metric b*******
So the 777-9 empty weight is roughly 50 tonnes higher than 350-1000, while MTOW is 42 tonnes higher. There is no way the 777 can be more efficient with it's higher thrust engines.
The max takeoff weight of a 777x is about 36 tons more than that of the a350-1000
The Triple-7 is the best large airliner today, after the newest 747s. The 777-X variant will be here soon.
what is the website at 3:02?
The A350 is better overall, but the 777x will obviously be better on high demand routes, like Dubai to Heathrow
how is the a350 better
I think the triple 7 was supposed to have been revised, it would have been ideal if they thought of making it 50 or 60 percent composite in order to reduce its weight and increase fuel efficiency.
nah they were planning on making a new metal alloy, but composites are too risky. look at the 787 production delays becaouse of the composite.
@@Sanyu-Tumusiimebut isn't it getting better due to the R&D done by some companies according to Coby explains video.
The 777X has a completely new composite wing, the fuselage is of Aluminum-Lithium Alloy, which is significantly lighter than standard aluminum.
A350 all the way
#airbusforever
“fanboi”😂😂
Not in the 10 abreast mode
😂😂😂😂
B777 all the world 🥱👻
777 all the way and has been proven to be an amaxzing aircraft
"The 777-X is proceeding nicely through its development.." Hahahah
A350 is actually flying ....
like the A380, the 777X it is too big probably, but the 777X has composite wings, but still.. i think the A350 is the ideal.
Not too big for middle eastern airlines and EX 747/a380 operators. I think the 777X will become more popular with orders after deliveries start
Which is the best? The one that carries real passengers all over the world
The a350 is a great modern airliner and the 777 series is the most successful twin engine wide-jet . It's a pity if Boeing can't get its sh*t together and squanders its own engineering heritage.
OK since Airbus does seem to be more fuel efficient the thing I think would make a difference is pick a destination like LA to Tokyo with both planes full add the average cost on the flight times the seat capacity. Then calculate the fuel burn for the flight. Minus that figure from the revenue then minus the crew salary and see which one comes on top. Now I know there are more factors involved like meals etc... can anyone come up with the two figures and let me know. I'm just too lazy to do the math.
The one in service takes the win.
B777
it’s premature as the 777-9 hasn’t entered service, both are great aircraft…so we’ll see but i’m voting for the 777-9….❤😊
I would look for comfort while I fly. 777x beats A350 in this regard
The take off in 777 is worth every penny, those engines kick you in the butt
This is a Prius world, not a Corvette world.
A350 especially with the upgrades coming
777x is the clear winner
Luv the wing design of 777x
A350 1000 ❤💕
The A350-900 or A350-1000. All Day. Every Day.
On wide- body A/C Boeing is clearly ahead
Obviously, the A350 is better, because it ACTUALLY exist.
#airbusforever
The triple 7X actually exists also
The 777X does exist as well, it just hasn't been delivered to anyone (and it will probably take a few more years for it to do so).
@@heidirabenau511 say whatever you want, I love Boeing more
A350-1000. Top choice for Project Sunrise.
All we need is an A350-1000 XL with 30 more seats and the 777X will be redundant, Im surprised Airbus haven’t made an announcement yet, They have indicated but not confirmed..maybe in the future.
I didn’t know the test pilots flight in that protective gear! Hopefully they can eject is something wrong happens! Only time will tell which is better!
Triple 7 for me,bigger & more powerful is better but both very good.
B777X wilt best plane out there.
777 is a little bit better, for airlines weight and capacity matters, also 777-F is more desirable given the TOW.
Boeing launched the 747 in 1966,entered revenue service in 1970,just 4 years,the 777x was launched in 2012 and is due to enter service in 2025,13 years,compare computer technology of the 60s in issues like design and calculations,with today technology,we are going backwards
With the world essentially coming to a screeching halt with Covid in the middle of it. A Ford Model A took a lot less time to build than a modern car too, wanna daily drive one?
Totally agree. The A350 is the best aircraft
How did you come to that xonclusiin when the 777X isnt even in service?
#airbusforever
@@heidirabenau511 thats the problem with fanboys. They only support what they want to. True enthusiasts appreciate everything about aviation without showing bias. The fanboys kust ruin it for everyone else. Both the 777 and A350 are amazing aircraft in their own right
@@mh12-47 The A350 is clean sheet design where is the B777-9 is a rehash of an existing airframe design.
@@chrismckellar9350 the 777X has a wider interior and larger windows. Is better looking and it's predecessor has been voted best wide body for long haul..Having a newer airframe doesn't make the 350 better lol. And technically most 777x airframes will be younger than most 350 anyways
While I enjoy your content, but isn’t this video a little too soon? How can you declare an aircraft that’s been in service for 7yrs to an aircraft that hasn’t flown a single passenger the winner? That’s like comparing the 787 to Boeing’s next clean sheet aircraft that Calhoun says is a couple years off.
They have another 3 years to make a new one 😃
The winner is obviously the plane that is already flying.
For airlines it is all about running costs and fuel economy per seat mile is a major part of that. The B777X is a superb aircraft but suffers in two regards. Despite all the marketing hype about the B777X it is difficult to see the aircraft as anything other than ‘mutton dressed as lamb’. The A350 is a modern design using light weight composite materials and has now established itself as reliable and efficient. The lack of significant order numbers for the B777X indicates that airlines are not convinced.
And yet, even with the A350 already proven and ready to go, there are over 300 orders for the 777-x Every new aircraft has to prove itself, even if it's a newer version of an older aircraft. Airlines may like the new and shiny modern technology of new aircraft, but they also like the reputation and reliability of proven aircraft, which is why the Airbus is selling so many Neo aircraft, and Boeing is still moving so many Max aircraft despite all the issues.
@@sainnt No US-airline has ordered the B 777X, and none will do it, it is the same as for the b 747-8I, and the b 777X will be the same economical failure for Boeing.
@@he8570 It's not going to fail just because US airlines have not ordered it. Only Delta Airlines has ordered the A350, and it's not a failure.
The 747-8i is not a failure because Boeing actually made a profit, compared to the A380 where Airbus didn't. And they sold plenty of cargo variants.
And, US Airlines are not like Middle East and Asia operators who operate gateway hub operations. US airlines are mostly point to point, getting passengers to their international airport hubs by using regional jets, so they don't need that kind of capacity. They also don't operate first class anymore. That explains why they've ordered way more 787 than any widebody Airbus has to offer. The 777-X will be just fine. Once airlines start operating them, other airlines will join. Plus, it's going to enjoy additional success as a cargo variant. The program will be just fine.
The 777x could be Boeing's last chance to save themselves.
As a passenger, I like to 8350 better simply because they have a little better technology in the entertainment system like you can watch different parts of the aircraft on cameras, that boeing does not have! My girlfriend is a flight attendant for Qatar Airways and as far as they’re concerned, Boeing is a better aircraft! They say it’s set up better for crewmembers
2:00 can't help but feel Singapore airlines didn't make that video
I have yet to fly on the A350. I mainly fly American, Delta, and United....
A350 is a better aircraft. I loved flying in it! A350-900 is out selling the -1000 by a wide margin. Larger capacity without much better efficiency of 777-9 will hinder its sales. More likely to fill a smaller and make money instead of flying a larger plane that is not full.
The original 777 was just great. I am European, so of cause I lean towards Airbus. What I wonder most is, that the 777X although quite a bit newer does not offer too much advantage on paper over the now "older" A350; or am I missing something?
An A350-1100 or whatever it is called would marginalise the 777x, simply the A350 is far, far lighter. What is needed is an engine to make this possible. In 5 years the RR innovations should make it worthwhile to introduce a neo across the range but in particular a larger stretched version. Not sure whether the wing on the A350 can be extended with the patented downward folding wingtips, if it is economically feasible then an aspect ratio of 10+ should be within the grasp of Airbus. Those two improvements would drag the A350 into an unassailable position from an efficiency perspective. It would be nigh on impossible for the B777x in its current to compete, its heavy fuselage handicaps it too much.
Hopefully the 777x paint job lasts longer than the A350
Hopefully the 777x gets into service.
@@nautilusshell4969 Dwain Avance asked for that one LOL
@@nautilusshell4969 🤣✋🏾
Emirates: Boeing 777X
Singapore Airlines: Airbus A350
Lufthansa: A350
Qatar: Both
That's what I would prefer more for Each Airline.
Emirates also added the 350 to their fleet
A350 ❤️
#airbusforever
777 is the one i chose cuz it is larger and a350 meh ok just a little bit shorter
But ........ a350 imo is comfortable than 777
A350 wins because the 777x isn't even in operation yet. Period.
A bunch of 777x specs hasn't been published yet, nor it's certified. So this comparison wasn't fair.
@@sinada5444 clickbait
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@@sinada5444 I would say it is not conclusive.
How can a real comparison be made between a proven production aircraft and a prototype?
Singapore Airlines had ordered 30 firm orders Boeing 777-9X to replace All of its older Boeing 777-200ER.
In terms of long range and versatility, The A350 is the best. In terms of capacity and compactability, The 777x is the best.
A350 quiter, smooth ride, less 💺
777 louder, smooth, more 💺
Both has it's advantages
Long range A350
Short rang 777
350 already flying for few years , the 777x didn't even get certified
Almost seems like Boeing just wants to win a game of top trumps by creating an aircraft with bigger numbers, so they’ve just made a plane that happens to be longer, taller and more capacity, but the important stuff like efficiency isn’t quite there. Almost like when the a380 became a thing, Boeing quickly decided to create a longer 747 that happened to be longer than the a380vand a340, same thing here, airbus makes a new aircraft so Boeing just makes a larger version of one of its current aircraft to compete and win a game of top trumps.
uhhh no? The plane is designed to fit a certain market , the 747 was first built in 1969 wayyy before the a380 (original 747 designed for cargo and for pan am also) , the original 747 100 could carry 480 passengers in a one class config and had a wingspan of 60m and a length of about 71m , the 747-8 can carry 605 in one class with a length of about 76m and wingspan of 68m , it was made to be better in every way compared to the previous 747 family , not to the a380. The 777X in other ways is a twin engines worthy successor to the queen of the skies. Boeing will always be superior in wb deliveries , as it offers conversions for almost every aircraft (except the 787) . Boeing will always be better at making aircraft that are versatile and flexible, while airbus will favor passenger comfortability as its the only thing its known for. And anyways an actual avgeek likes every plane sooooooo
Why would you not compare the a350 to the 787 dream liner - All though I do prefer the A350 !
Just curious ?!
because the a330neo competes with the 787
You should better compare the 350-900 with 787 and only the 350-1000 with the 777.
Even A350 vs 787 is not a good comparison as the 787-8 and -9 is in the same category as the A330neo.
should be asked: which one is better for passengers? A350 by a long shot.
Why that? The economy seats in the 777X will be just as wide as in the A350. Business and first seats most probably even wider.
Windows are much bigger, cabin altitude is the same. Noise in cabin should be even less (don't know about this one for sure).
Air India just placed a super massive order of 500 Jets from both Air Bus and Boeing...😨
B777X delays feels like intel's 10nm lithography process delays. B777X will give airbus hard times if they able to deliver this aircraft in 2020. But boeing missed their chances just like intel missed their chances to fight amd with proper product stacks.
Such a valid point, now TSMC can do 5nm chips I think and it looks like China has just cracked the 5nm lithography with Alibaba, but Huawei is brining something new to the table, Photonic 5nm and it's a home grown technology where they don't even need to buy lithography machines. Where is Intel? I think somewhere back in the 80s. Why is it that all phones are ARM, Apple is now ARM, none of these need fans but drop a i7 11th gen into a box with Windows and it will run a fan all day with just notepad open. My thoughts are the same, the US is really dropping the ball on tech and I think Asia is going to get the jump. What does the US do now with trying to ban lithography machines for 5nm processing when China now has their own new custom products. And these planes are the same examples, just so far behind, delays, loss of confidence, better products in other markets.
The elephant in the room is 777X or 777 in general is too heavy. 778 simply can't compete with 35K, and chances are a 350-1100 is lighter than a 77W while carrying as many as a 779. I just can't see how 779 can survive this.
Regarding your computer chip analogs, do note that subsequential Zen architectures actually beats Intel in terms of thermal and power consumption, even at some point have superior IPCs? These are traditional Intel strong holds, yet even with Alder Lake they can't reclaim all of these, actually get worse in some aspects.
In both cases I'd say A350 and Ryzen successfully challenge the status quo, and that's good enough for Airbus and AMD alike.
@@steinwaldmadchen I have defected, M1 max is on it's way.
@@tronwars7130 I'm replying to the TO with Arabic name.
Regarding chip, ARM is definitely a serious challenger to x86, just like how x86 challenged other architectures in HPC space. Of course Apple has the talent, resources and demand inhouse to develop a competent Apple Silicon, but they're not the only one. Fugaku for example, is an ARM-based supercomputer developed by Fujitsu, and it's also highly efficient despite its computing power.
Meanwhile for
@@steinwaldmadchen i think since intel lost their edge over amd they didn't have any core's IP efficient enough to beat Zen cores from amd so they know their weakness and try to offer something they can deliver today (leading single-thread performance and competitive multi-thread performance at OK/good price). It isn't the best way to compete with amd but at least that's what intel can do today. They still needs years to catch up with amd but hopefully they can keep their pace.