I've flown the A350 across the pacific and returned on the 777 and I found a striking commonality between them. This video makes sense of it all. The 350 is a massive plane. It looks small from the outside due to its styling but it is massive! Cheers!
the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later
When the 787 was first announced there was no model number. It was written up as a B330 by many due to the obvious size similarities. This video is trying to make people realise that the upgraded A330 and the B787 are aimed at the same market.
Go back to the early 2000's so you'll know how the A350 came to be a competitor to the then brand new B787 on the scene at the time. "Cody" doesn't seem to mention that detail in his presentation. The A350 grew in size in time to drift into 777 territory to what people think about competing types from Boeing and AIRBUS. ORIGINALLY: 787 vs A350-800. Then the scene changed with the A350-900 and the A350-1000 even though the A350-900 was going against the B787-9 for a time until "XWB" titles started appearing with stretches of the A350 series. This column is meant for "Warp's" statement above. I meant to add: the A330 series started competing with B777s when Boeing got cleared to operate under ETOPS and in turn AIRBUS's A340s went bye and better versions of the A330 came into play against the 777 series of aircraft. A330s vs B777s. A350s vs B787s.
Actually, Coby that was very informative. And yes, I was one of those who assumed the A350 and 787 we're direct competitors. I have now changed that view. On looks alone the A350 get my vote but to be fair, I've not flown either, so I'm not exactly in a position to judge. Thanks for the video.
@ do you know that different airlines have different comfort, some airlines just slap highly uncomfortable seats on their plane and call it business class while others focus in the comfort of their passengers. Tbh i prefer the 787
Ant the First guy said “the seats are better in the a350” so I was simply just letting him now that it’s not boeing that controls the comfort but the airline, so you cant base your review on the plane of off comfort cause the comfort is dependable on the type of airline not the plane, so now you look stupid
As someone who flew on both the a350 and b787, I would say that I prefer the a350. It is much quieter than the b787 and the seats are more comfortable for passengers in economy. As passengers, the a350 is unarguably better. If we were to compare both aircrafts specs, then that wouldn't be fair because they were both made for different purposes (as you said).
I hope this satisfies those less-informed. I loved my flights on AirCanada’s 787, and would indeed love a trip on an A350 too. Published customer reviews seem to give the nod to the A350 as far as “comfort and customer experience”. Like you, I await the opportunity.
I've flown to Vancouver-Taipei roundtrip twice, once on an Air Canada 787, and once on a China Airlines A350 (same flight, too, Vancouver to Taipei). I would have to say I liked the A350 better for the most part, although it may be just me liking the airline better. However, I much prefer the windows on the 787, they are much larger and I like the dimming that still lets you kind of see out of them.
I used to be a Boeing/787 fanboy just because I was American and that was the thing to do, but have now completely swapped to Airbus as I started to learn more about Airbus systems, cockpit design, efficiency, manufacturing etc. So now I would side with the A350 for sure. I wonder how many other Boeing fans out there haven’t really ventured into Airbus that much and just support them because they are American.
Thank you! I’ve spent years trying to convince my avgeek friends of this, but I was always alone in the argument. Now that I’ve got a TH-cam channel on my side it will be much easier 😎 P.S. to answer your question at the end, the A350 is my favourite plane overall so I’ll have to go with that one!
When I first flew on the Dreamliner, I was surprised at how ‘small’ the cabin was (in terms of seating capacity). It immediately became clear that it wasn’t an A330 competitor and in turn wasn’t an A350 competitor. Great video. Thanks for clarifying the matter.
THANK YOU!!! This shows the difference between just common aviation enthusiast, and the people who truly understand the aviation industry, market trends, and capability differences. Also, I prefer the 787 when it comes to looks, size, and usefulness to airlines, but I have not flown on the A350 yet, so I could not truly say which one I like better.
Please go Airbus the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later
@@77l96 no I am just a concerned citizen trying to put people on their guard when they choose to fly for vacation or any other thing Boeing has lost their way and they just do a thing about safety when building an aircraft so the next Airplane company is Airbus with a better reputation and safety record it is the way to go and come back alive
@@holdensv2000 lol really? Airbus also has a lots of crash records. Boeing seems dangerous only because they sell more aeroplanes. And also, an aeroplane which is younger doesn't mean it is "better". I like your comment, it is really funny, like a airbus promoter and propaganda. Aviation lover should love both Airbus and Boeing because they are really similiar nowadays.
@@holdensv2000 Also, tell you something you might refuse to listen. If Boeing break through all the issues and troubles they have right now, they gonna win this competition. You know what? Objectively, Boeing has better technology and technical ability and reserve than Airbus.
@@markchang8330 I don't know where you get that info from Boeing is in a deep hole with no way to get out and most Airlines are moving away from them they just can't be trusted no the FAA so it is the EASA and Airbus is the only way to go even China that has the biggest Airlines in the world won't want Boeing in there country so please stick a fork in it if people don't want you you are lost
@@chounphounsanoy291 The 777-X would pretty much slide the 777 series out of the A350s target market though. It's designed to accommodate 426 in a 2-class configuration, those are pretty much 747 numbers, the largest A350, by comparison, the A350-1000, is only optimized for 369 passengers, heck, even the much smaller 777-8 beats the A350-1000 in terms of capacity at 384 passengers. The A350 is a good competitor for the 777-Classic but it's simply too small to compete with the 777-X.
what I will say seeing as I've flown on both - Eitihad 787, Finnair and Qatar A350 is that the A350 is more comfortable because XTRA WIDE BODY. 787's were designed as a 2-3-2 but nearly every airline fits them out as a 3-3-3 thus meaning a 17 inch seat width as opposed to the 3-3-3 on the A350 XTRA WIDE BODY which has 18 to 18.5 inch seat width in economy. Thats how I know when people saying they prefer the 787 are probably Americans who have never flown on either and just lying and just making stuff up to defend Boeing
No, the 787's were not designed as 2-3-2. That was the 767 a much narrower airplane. 787 is same width as the a330, good for 8 wide. 2-4-2 seating. A350 is wider good for 3-3-3 seating, but not quite as wide as 777.
Hope this video knocks some sense into them. I've flown on the B777-300 ER, A350-900, and the B787-9.... They're all beautiful. What matters most is the airline service. Fly on a shitty airline, and the plane types wouldn't matter.
I love your channel! This is the BEST video explaining the difference between the two. Lots of so-called "aviation fans" who have no idea what they're talking about! Thank you!
Very informative. But what it misses is the fact that range now takes priority over the number of seats. I’m a aviation strategy consultant myself and I’ve built plenty business plans / fleet plans for airline customers. And sorry to inform you, but for most of the airlines, the 787 and the A350 are the two options they have to select from for their long term strategy and planning. Large capacity aircraft are going out of fashion (need) for airline consumers, as evident by the fall of A380 and the 777s. As the concept of “thick routes” (point to point) is taking over, the “hub and spoke” model is going out of trend. Airlines want more and more point to point connectivity rather than huge number of seats to a hub airport and then smaller aircraft ops from there. Hence, it eventually boils down to, 1)Ownership cost, 2)yearly maintenance expense and 3)ability to make upto 75%+ PLF on most potentially available routes. So one can choose to ignore these aspects, but it is the reality and airlines are not picking between a 777/777x and A350, but rather between a 787 and A350.
I agree, and looking at the A350's seating capacity and the triple bogie landing gears, which is on the 777, it's obvious that the A350 is a modern competitor of the current variant of the 777 and the future variant, which has been delayed. I would say that the Boeing 787, which was originally designed to replace Boeing's 767, is a direct competitor of Airbus' A330.
Personally, anyone talking comfort is an idiot, especially on long haul(Is no such thing as comfort on long haul). NO one gives a damn other than those with gobs of money for maybe a layflat bed. The only thing anyone cares about is $$$/ticket for the masses in the cattle section.
@@odez180 I flew the 787 and the A350 on one day with only a 50 minutes stopover (I wouldn't even call it stopover it was getting of an airplane and rushing to the next). Both flights with Qatar. The A350 was more spacious and had a significantly lower noise level. The noise level is not determined by the airline its the aircraft itself that has a quieter cabin.
idpro83 it’s up to the airline to configure the interior for how much space each passenger gets but the noise level is a valid point. Not to many people consider that when it comes to comfort.
I have flown on both. Norwegian Air 787 from LAX to LGW & Delta A350 from ATL to LAX. My preference is the 787. It was smoother during landing & quieter overall. Both are really beautiful aircraft.
Flown on both, like both :) Comfy, modern, relaxing long haul cabin in both. You definitely feel a marked difference compared to the old guard on the same routes. From the cabin it’s pretty clear that the A350 is bigger, I agree with the remarks that it’s more reminiscent of the largeness of a triple 7 cabin and not a Dreamliner. The Dreamliner has always felt very spacious and modern but 767-like in overall size from cabin perspective.
Great story to tell - I didn't know the size differences. The A350 BandAid was well criticized - they went onto design a better plane. Pity that Boeing didn't take the same medecine with their B737 Max.
Boeing truly has to learn a thing or two from the Airbus A330 was first flown in 1994 and was a deeply modified A300 from the 1974 - still when they tried to modify it once more and called it a new plane, everybody thought it was a bad idea. And it was just in 2004. 30 years of basic construction being there and everyone went full boooo. Meanwhile Boeing modifying it's 1968 737 (that heavily resembles the 1958 707 in many features) for the fourth time in mid-2010s (almost 60 year old "bones") - and everybody seems to like the Max (which I personally hate and won't fly if only not in a desperate need). And then people be like "why does the max have so much problems?". It's like... bruh. You can't just stretch a 28.6 meters long plane up to 43.8 meters and pretend nothing gonna go wrong
Very happy to see this explained! I think you’re right, people saw both aircraft types were made from composite materials so made the assumption they’re the same class - but they forget that the 787 replaced the 767 to compete with the very popular A330, and the A350 replaced the 340 to better compete with the 777. Will be interesting to see how the 777x competes with the A350 once the global crisis has tapered off and we can see true results.
the 767 does not compete with the a330. It competed with the a300. Now that the a300 is nearly gone, the 767 is in a class of its own. The 787 competes with a330, and the 777 competes with a350. The a340 and md-11 I would consider to be somewhere between the 787/a330 and a350/777.
If I were a pilot, I would fly the 787>A350 because since it operates thinner routes, you get to fly to so many more exotic destinations than if you were flying an aircraft that flies more to the larger hubs and airports.
Actually it doesn’t work like that, sorry. The A350 (Ethiopian I believe) flies their A350’s to Zanzibar, Kilimanjaro, Cape Town, Casablanca, Port Louis, Victoria, and Pointe Noire (I think) depending on the time of the year when passengers are most frequent. So no, you don’t get to go to more exotic places if you fly 787 sadly.
I've just recently flown an 8 hour flight in economy on the A350-900 and was very impressed. The noise reduction in the cabin, vibration was non-existing, air filtration in the cabin, mood lighting, size of windows, etc. all of which stood out. I can't say that it's a better plane than the Dreamliner since I haven't flown on the Dreamliner, but I must say, the A350 is truly an impressive plane.
Hello Coby: I have had the opportunity to fly both planes and I really loved them both. However, the A350 is very impressive with its interior design and it seems it feels more modern and spacious. I flew it from Frankfort to Shanghai right after the outbreak of the pandemic back in 2020 and it was a very nice flight.
Technologically the B787 / A350 are competitor, however they are not aimed at the same market segment. The 787 is made to replace the aging 767 and compete with the A330, while the A350 is made to compete with the 777. Unfortunately for the A350 it is because it offers only one engine, I think that this really prevents it from spreading...
I've never flown on either. I'm gonna fly in a 787 in October from Frankfurt to Tokyo And I'm gonna work in a fleet of A330neo as a flight attendant My pick is still the A350
Another proof regarding what you said is what Boeing themselves are mentioning! They only mention the A350 as the direct competitor to their 777x, but not to their Dreamliner! Regarding the preferences, I haven't flown any of them, but if I have the luxury to choose which one to fly, I am going to go with the A350, because I simply trust Airbus products over Boeing.
you make good sense man stay alive when flying to your destination the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later Airbus is building around safety and not short cuts for profit over safety so arrive alive
Thanks Dr. Cooper. 787 and A350 is the same as the blonde/brunette conundrum. It could be argued until the end of time and never establish a clear winner. I did learn a lot today. Thanks!
“... recently retired their entire triple seven (777) fleet” - 4:53 If I remember correctly Delta cancel “their” (order was made by Northwest Airlines, before the merger) order for 787s for A350s as well as replaced their 747-400s/747-451s (again Northwest Airlines, before the merger) with A350s. Assuming I remember correctly, does anyone have any theories as to why?
It was the delayed delivery of the 787. Had Delta gotten the 787 by 2010 they likely would have taken delivery. But the delay allowed them to defer their purchase decision. Delta ordered 25 A330neos a few years afterwards in addition to the A350's. By 2016 when the cancel decision was made Delta just didn't need the 787.
Because the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later
Makes a lot of sense. The era of 4 engines jet is ending anyway. There are almost no routes that will demand a 500 passenger jet that can be profitably operated. They have to retire their 747s, and if they are also retiring their old 777s. They really need to fill the gap for the large jetliners, and it will be better to just replace them all with the same new jet that can fulfill all the roles they need and really bank on the economies of scale.
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I really like the way you dissect these planes. Unlike the majority of videos on TH-cam, yours are very informative and a pleasure to watch. Thank you and keep up the good work! 👍👍
Thank you Coby for sharing that information and data. It never ceases to amze me how many folks were fixated on the concept of 787s vs A350s...outside of technologies, there's no comparison.
Great video! Flew longhaul on a 3 month old B789 and a 2 month old A359 on the same day, almost 3 years ago now. I preferred the latter because it was quieter and more spacious. (And yes, at the time I thought they were direct competitors.)
Totally agree... look at a350 head on..a straight wing with a twist on the end..not exactly awe inspiring.. can't beat graceful curved of that 787 wing!!
Coby you hit the nail on the head with this one. I think people confuse the "rivalry" because the A350 was initially a response to the Dreamliner, but it morphed into so much more. Fun fact the A350 also used the infamous lithium ion batteries that the 787 kept burning up. Once that happened Airbus quietly replaced theirs with the standard (heavier) lead batteries but airlines can still opt for the Lithium ion batteries today (and some have). Cant' beat that weight saving and power output LOL. I have not had the honor of flying on either so I can't comment. But I can say Subscribed.
I’ve only flown the A350 once, but every time I’ve flown in the 787 I’ve been more comfortable than I was in the A350. This was mainly because they were less crowded, which makes sense after watching the video. In terms of looks they’re both really beautiful planes. Also, the diagram at 5:15 blows my mind; not at all how I expected comparisons of these planes to turn out.
Very detailed and logical explanation! I personally haven't experienced the A350. My only 787 experience was with Singapore Airlines which operated the dash 10 type. The plane was modern, comfortable and made the flight more than just a trip. The flight was an enjoyment. After the pandemic I'd like to try the 787s operated by ANA
I have flown the A350 from Hong Kong to LAX, the 787-9 from SFO to SIN and the 787-10 from SGN to SIN. The configurations, seating, service made a difference in my experience. They were all more enjoyable to the older aircraft.
If given the option, I'd 100% take retraining for the 787. It's such a beautiful bird, not to mention the bleedless packs and better pilot comfort, it's all around just a much prettier cockpit, quieter too.
I love the 787 and would be flying it for our airline, if it wasn’t for the longer trips. I prefer shorthaul routes, unfortunately our 787 do not fly these 🤨 To me the A350 cockpit is ugly, and the window design looks like you’re in the Spaceshuttle.
I flew from London to Kuala Lumpur last year; 787 to Doha, then got a pleasent suprise when finding out Qatar changed the craft from a 777 to an A350 from Doha to KL.. Considering we were quite tired and in Economy.. We really felt comfortable.. Ambient lighting, seat configuration. Air conditioning systems made the 8 hour journey Smooth.. It also helps that both 787 and A350 can cruise at 41'000ft don't recall there being any significant Turbulence at all.
Great video! I'd love to see more videos with similar comparisons. Maybe 737 variants vs. a320/a321......love math when someone else is doing the work! :D
Take the A321 out of the equation. It is a mid range aircraft. The 737 is a dead duck. Boeing overeached rather than build a new aircraft. Should have listened to the engineers not the bean counters before the 800, never mind the max. The 737 is an early 60's design, way beyond its lifespan .
First time i got a proper and logic explanation and it makes sense - if numbers presented are correct. Personally i flew all planes mentioned and by far the a350 is my favorite. Yes - all the newer planes have nifty gadgets but what astonished me the most as a frequent flyer is the level of silence in an a350 - one can hardly tell engines are running when in air. No comparison so far in my opinion. Thanks for the great explanation!
A350s are wider and offers the same 3x3x3 seat config. Been flown in both I can say the XWB is roomier, seats are wider and engines is quieter. Can't say the same about japanese carriers as they use a different config for 787s (2x4x2) and nobody can deny this is the proper seat arrangement for the Boeing aircraft. I think both are beautiful and fulfill their purpouse over the average.
I personally don't care for neither plane. The 777 and its variants is still a better plane than the 787 in so many ways. And the A350 wasn't a good replacement for the A340-500 & 600 even though it is more economical than the four-engine plane. I see the 787 as a replacement for the 767 which nobody seems to talk about.
Wasn’t the A350 a response to the 787 because airbus saw it had potential? I’m not saying it’s a *direct* competitor. Maybe that’s why some think it directly competes
I was a fan of B787, then I took a flight from Hong Kong to Ethiopia on a A350 that completely changed my mind of which is my fav, I still love both of these gorgeous airplanes, but if I am going to be stuck in one for hours, I would choose A350 for sure. I've flown between Hong Kong and Taipei on A350 a few times and it just further cemented A350 as my fav aircraft.
I flew the A350 to Singapore, then flew the 787 on the same route...then scheduled my next flight on the 787. It is currently my favorite plane for comfort, seating configuration (United economy), etc.
@@SierraDelta- nope, A350's seating capacity is much near to the 777 rather than a 787 A359 is about the same as B777-200series and B78X while A35k is about the same as B77W and B777-8 Also the range of the A350 is a bit further than any Boeing aircraft, except 777-200LR
The seating configuration is what makes or breaks either of them. 3-3-3 on 787 can be really cramped in some window seats where the wall curves into where your shoulder would be. Meanwhile many a350s also adopt the same 3-3-3 pattern despite the extra width. So from a perspective of personal space the a350 is the clear winner in most cases today. There are of course exceptions like JAL with their roomy 8 abreast 787 and French Bee with the cramped 10 abreast a350.
Another great example of this is the brazilian company TAM, that when started to merge with Lan Chile, begun to retired their a330s for the 787s. And now they are retiring their 777-200s and replacing the routes with A350s. They were a case with the Delta and Qatar all together.
I've flown the A350 across the pacific and returned on the 777 and I found a striking commonality between them. This video makes sense of it all. The 350 is a massive plane. It looks small from the outside due to its styling but it is massive! Cheers!
the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later
Richard Reid American Airlines did not choose the a350, United and Delta airline did
Rel pretty sure United is 787 territory
Literally all variants
@@rel6438 among us carriers... there is another american airlinesthat have the a350 on order
The easy way for me to remember it is that the a350 replaces the a340 models, which competed with the 777ERs.
I thought the a330 originally competed with the 767?
@@maxosiatynski9987 yes and the 767 got replaced by the 787 sp now a330 is competing with 787
When the 787 was first announced there was no model number. It was written up as a B330 by many due to the obvious size similarities. This video is trying to make people realise that the upgraded A330 and the B787 are aimed at the same market.
@@maxosiatynski9987The B787 was released to compete with the A330 which had been in production for several years.
@@maxosiatynski9987 a330-200 competed with the 767-300 and the a330-300 matched up with the 777-200. The a340 variants competed with 777-ER models.
Both of them looks beautiful in their own way.
I think the 787 is more beautiful than the a350. Those smooth curves that just flow together are incredible
Mateo Botha yessss
That's what my ex said comparing me to her current bf
Nidhin Reji that hurts. Mine is probably saying that to his new BF about me😞
Yall will hate me it's just the a350 looks better. The wings look cooler and what other airliner wears a sweet pair of shades.
A350 vs 777
A330Neo vs 787
It's not that hard
No
Go back to the early 2000's so you'll know how the A350 came to be a competitor to the then brand new B787 on the scene at the time. "Cody" doesn't seem to mention that detail in his presentation. The A350 grew in size in time to drift into 777 territory to what people think about competing types from Boeing and AIRBUS. ORIGINALLY: 787 vs A350-800. Then the scene changed with the A350-900 and the A350-1000 even though the A350-900 was going against the B787-9 for a time until "XWB" titles started appearing with stretches of the A350 series. This column is meant for "Warp's" statement above. I meant to add: the A330 series started competing with B777s when Boeing got cleared to operate under ETOPS and in turn AIRBUS's A340s went bye and better versions of the A330 came into play against the 777 series of aircraft. A330s vs B777s. A350s vs B787s.
@@johnhenry6762 He literally did mention this in the video. DId you just not watch from 1:45?
@@GeorgeBot7 Which video- first or the second one? In your reply tell me you heard the "A350-800 " mentioned. The first or second video?!
John Henry he didnt but he did say what you said about them being originally meant to compete against each other
Actually, Coby that was very informative. And yes, I was one of those who assumed the A350 and 787 we're direct competitors. I have now changed that view. On looks alone the A350 get my vote but to be fair, I've not flown either, so I'm not exactly in a position to judge. Thanks for the video.
inspector morse the seats depend on the airline
@ do you know that different airlines have different comfort, some airlines just slap highly uncomfortable seats on their plane and call it business class while others focus in the comfort of their passengers. Tbh i prefer the 787
@@SierraDelta- nearly all airlines kit out 787 economy as a 3-3-3 when it was designed as a 2-3-2 so you can shut up
Ant as I said before the comfort depends on the airline, not Boeing ad what’s the need to be rude?
Ant the First guy said “the seats are better in the a350” so I was simply just letting him now that it’s not boeing that controls the comfort but the airline, so you cant base your review on the plane of off comfort cause the comfort is dependable on the type of airline not the plane, so now you look stupid
As someone who flew on both the a350 and b787, I would say that I prefer the a350. It is much quieter than the b787 and the seats are more comfortable for passengers in economy. As passengers, the a350 is unarguably better. If we were to compare both aircrafts specs, then that wouldn't be fair because they were both made for different purposes (as you said).
I agree completely on the passenger experience.
My thoughts exactly.
However, passanger comfort was is on that of the Airlines
I hope this satisfies those less-informed. I loved my flights on AirCanada’s 787, and would indeed love a trip on an A350 too. Published customer reviews seem to give the nod to the A350 as far as “comfort and customer experience”. Like you, I await the opportunity.
You wont be dissapointed with A350, its great
I've flown to Vancouver-Taipei roundtrip twice, once on an Air Canada 787, and once on a China Airlines A350 (same flight, too, Vancouver to Taipei). I would have to say I liked the A350 better for the most part, although it may be just me liking the airline better. However, I much prefer the windows on the 787, they are much larger and I like the dimming that still lets you kind of see out of them.
@@brandonking1737 the still being able to see out of the dimmed windows is exactly what i dont like about them, prefer blinds
Yep, with almost everybody going 9 abreast on the 787, passenger confort took a huge hit in economy.
@@dufonrafal
Yes its getting bad, smaller aircraft trying to cram in ever more seats.
I used to be a Boeing/787 fanboy just because I was American and that was the thing to do, but have now completely swapped to Airbus as I started to learn more about Airbus systems, cockpit design, efficiency, manufacturing etc. So now I would side with the A350 for sure. I wonder how many other Boeing fans out there haven’t really ventured into Airbus that much and just support them because they are American.
I used to be a Boeing fan also but I'm now all over Airbus.
Thank you! I’ve spent years trying to convince my avgeek friends of this, but I was always alone in the argument. Now that I’ve got a TH-cam channel on my side it will be much easier 😎
P.S. to answer your question at the end, the A350 is my favourite plane overall so I’ll have to go with that one!
same here
When I first flew on the Dreamliner, I was surprised at how ‘small’ the cabin was (in terms of seating capacity). It immediately became clear that it wasn’t an A330 competitor and in turn wasn’t an A350 competitor. Great video. Thanks for clarifying the matter.
thank you ive been trying to tell people this for ages lol
Not the only one lol
Same dude
Me too
Same.
Aviation6 Caught cha
THANK YOU!!! This shows the difference between just common aviation enthusiast, and the people who truly understand the aviation industry, market trends, and capability differences. Also, I prefer the 787 when it comes to looks, size, and usefulness to airlines, but I have not flown on the A350 yet, so I could not truly say which one I like better.
Finally, someone agrees!!
Please go Airbus the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later
@@77l96 no I am just a concerned citizen trying to put people on their guard when they choose to fly for vacation or any other thing Boeing has lost their way and they just do a thing about safety when building an aircraft so the next Airplane company is Airbus with a better reputation and safety record it is the way to go and come back alive
@@holdensv2000 lol really? Airbus also has a lots of crash records. Boeing seems dangerous only because they sell more aeroplanes. And also, an aeroplane which is younger doesn't mean it is "better". I like your comment, it is really funny, like a airbus promoter and propaganda. Aviation lover should love both Airbus and Boeing because they are really similiar nowadays.
@@holdensv2000 Also, tell you something you might refuse to listen. If Boeing break through all the issues and troubles they have right now, they gonna win this competition. You know what? Objectively, Boeing has better technology and technical ability and reserve than Airbus.
@@markchang8330 I don't know where you get that info from Boeing is in a deep hole with no way to get out and most Airlines are moving away from them they just can't be trusted no the FAA so it is the EASA and Airbus is the only way to go even China that has the biggest Airlines in the world won't want Boeing in there country so please stick a fork in it if people don't want you you are lost
Anybody gonna admit that the 787 “Dreams Take Flight” livery is like, one of the most hottest liveries?
Well yeah...it only existed for one airshow then was repainted and delivered to Biman Bangladesh in their standard livery
yeah
What the heck is a livery
No
@@GomezBro this. th-cam.com/video/q0I7lku-AMc/w-d-xo.html
A330neo vs 787
A350 vs 777X
Just compare their specifications..
It's exactly that.
A350 vs 777??
A350 vs 777
@@chounphounsanoy291 The 777-X would pretty much slide the 777 series out of the A350s target market though. It's designed to accommodate 426 in a 2-class configuration, those are pretty much 747 numbers, the largest A350, by comparison, the A350-1000, is only optimized for 369 passengers, heck, even the much smaller 777-8 beats the A350-1000 in terms of capacity at 384 passengers. The A350 is a good competitor for the 777-Classic but it's simply too small to compete with the 777-X.
Trekkie_ _0802 the A350 is a good aircraft to fill the gap between the Dreamliner and A330, and the 777X
what I will say seeing as I've flown on both - Eitihad 787, Finnair and Qatar A350 is that the A350 is more comfortable because XTRA WIDE BODY.
787's were designed as a 2-3-2 but nearly every airline fits them out as a 3-3-3 thus meaning a 17 inch seat width as opposed to the 3-3-3 on the A350 XTRA WIDE BODY which has 18 to 18.5 inch seat width in economy.
Thats how I know when people saying they prefer the 787 are probably Americans who have never flown on either and just lying and just making stuff up to defend Boeing
No, the 787's were not designed as 2-3-2. That was the 767 a much narrower airplane. 787 is same width as the a330, good for 8 wide. 2-4-2 seating. A350 is wider good for 3-3-3 seating, but not quite as wide as 777.
Ok i will let you explain
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Finally someone got it right lol.
Very well done mate!
A350 is the winner for me. However it also depends on how many seats an airline craps into the aircraft :D
Good choice man a winner is safety and Technolgy 10 year better
@@holdensv2000 lol i can hear your happy european noises
A350 vs 777?
@@Amrdau A350 comes nowhere close to 9 abreast 777. But unfortunately that's not very common.
A350 is a bit cooler than the 787
Hope this video knocks some sense into them. I've flown on the B777-300 ER, A350-900, and the B787-9.... They're all beautiful. What matters most is the airline service. Fly on a shitty airline, and the plane types wouldn't matter.
Cough PIA cough
@@Speedster___ sadly yes, PIA has gone from +stronk to -stronk :(
I love your channel! This is the BEST video explaining the difference between the two. Lots of so-called "aviation fans" who have no idea what they're talking about! Thank you!
Very informative. But what it misses is the fact that range now takes priority over the number of seats. I’m a aviation strategy consultant myself and I’ve built plenty business plans / fleet plans for airline customers. And sorry to inform you, but for most of the airlines, the 787 and the A350 are the two options they have to select from for their long term strategy and planning. Large capacity aircraft are going out of fashion (need) for airline consumers, as evident by the fall of A380 and the 777s. As the concept of “thick routes” (point to point) is taking over, the “hub and spoke” model is going out of trend. Airlines want more and more point to point connectivity rather than huge number of seats to a hub airport and then smaller aircraft ops from there. Hence, it eventually boils down to, 1)Ownership cost, 2)yearly maintenance expense and 3)ability to make upto 75%+ PLF on most potentially available routes. So one can choose to ignore these aspects, but it is the reality and airlines are not picking between a 777/777x and A350, but rather between a 787 and A350.
i like the 787 more, but mostly because i like the design more and i’m also a boeing fan
finally someone agreeing. you cant compare a 300 seater plane with a 200 seaters
Are we talking about the smallest version of the a350 or the longest version?
@@texxon3355 both A350 variants seat above 300 on average
I agree, and looking at the A350's seating capacity and the triple bogie landing gears, which is on the 777, it's obvious that the A350 is a modern competitor of the current variant of the 777 and the future variant, which has been delayed. I would say that the Boeing 787, which was originally designed to replace Boeing's 767, is a direct competitor of Airbus' A330.
That’s right! And Airbus responded to the 787 with their A330neo just to quite match its efficiency 😊
Finally someone has said it! Thank god!
THANK YOU. I have no idea why this is such a firm belief in the community.
Having flown both I think the 787 is the more beautiful looking aircraft but the A350 has a clearly better cabin in terms of passenger comfort.
Personally, anyone talking comfort is an idiot, especially on long haul(Is no such thing as comfort on long haul). NO one gives a damn other than those with gobs of money for maybe a layflat bed. The only thing anyone cares about is $$$/ticket for the masses in the cattle section.
you gotta wait and fly 777-x to make the final decision since 787 doesn't compete with a350.... lol
For the most part the airline determines cabin comfort not the plane manufacturer
@@odez180 I flew the 787 and the A350 on one day with only a 50 minutes stopover (I wouldn't even call it stopover it was getting of an airplane and rushing to the next). Both flights with Qatar. The A350 was more spacious and had a significantly lower noise level. The noise level is not determined by the airline its the aircraft itself that has a quieter cabin.
idpro83 it’s up to the airline to configure the interior for how much space each passenger gets but the noise level is a valid point. Not to many people consider that when it comes to comfort.
I have flown on both. Norwegian Air 787 from LAX to LGW & Delta A350 from ATL to LAX. My preference is the 787. It was smoother during landing & quieter overall. Both are really beautiful aircraft.
Dude, "smoother during landing" are you serious? It depends only on how good the pilots are
nonsense
Flown on both, like both :)
Comfy, modern, relaxing long haul cabin in both. You definitely feel a marked difference compared to the old guard on the same routes.
From the cabin it’s pretty clear that the A350 is bigger, I agree with the remarks that it’s more reminiscent of the largeness of a triple 7 cabin and not a Dreamliner. The Dreamliner has always felt very spacious and modern but 767-like in overall size from cabin perspective.
Great story to tell - I didn't know the size differences. The A350 BandAid was well criticized - they went onto design a better plane. Pity that Boeing didn't take the same medecine with their B737 Max.
Boeing truly has to learn a thing or two from the Airbus
A330 was first flown in 1994 and was a deeply modified A300 from the 1974 - still when they tried to modify it once more and called it a new plane, everybody thought it was a bad idea. And it was just in 2004. 30 years of basic construction being there and everyone went full boooo.
Meanwhile Boeing modifying it's 1968 737 (that heavily resembles the 1958 707 in many features) for the fourth time in mid-2010s (almost 60 year old "bones") - and everybody seems to like the Max (which I personally hate and won't fly if only not in a desperate need).
And then people be like "why does the max have so much problems?". It's like... bruh. You can't just stretch a 28.6 meters long plane up to 43.8 meters and pretend nothing gonna go wrong
Very happy to see this explained! I think you’re right, people saw both aircraft types were made from composite materials so made the assumption they’re the same class - but they forget that the 787 replaced the 767 to compete with the very popular A330, and the A350 replaced the 340 to better compete with the 777. Will be interesting to see how the 777x competes with the A350 once the global crisis has tapered off and we can see true results.
the 767 does not compete with the a330. It competed with the a300. Now that the a300 is nearly gone, the 767 is in a class of its own. The 787 competes with a330, and the 777 competes with a350. The a340 and md-11 I would consider to be somewhere between the 787/a330 and a350/777.
If I were a pilot, I would fly the 787>A350 because since it operates thinner routes, you get to fly to so many more exotic destinations than if you were flying an aircraft that flies more to the larger hubs and airports.
No, you won't. Pilot only gets pay when plane is moving. Bigger plane = longer haul = work less shift.
Actually it doesn’t work like that, sorry. The A350 (Ethiopian I believe) flies their A350’s to Zanzibar, Kilimanjaro, Cape Town, Casablanca, Port Louis, Victoria, and Pointe Noire (I think) depending on the time of the year when passengers are most frequent. So no, you don’t get to go to more exotic places if you fly 787 sadly.
@@aspiringcaptain TUI 787s fly to more…TUI 787s fly to whole Caribbean and same with some Virgin Atlantic 787-9s
I like Boeing/787 more because of elegance and boeings history
I've just recently flown an 8 hour flight in economy on the A350-900 and was very impressed. The noise reduction in the cabin, vibration was non-existing, air filtration in the cabin, mood lighting, size of windows, etc. all of which stood out. I can't say that it's a better plane than the Dreamliner since I haven't flown on the Dreamliner, but I must say, the A350 is truly an impressive plane.
Hello Coby: I have had the opportunity to fly both planes and I really loved them both. However, the A350 is very impressive with its interior design and it seems it feels more modern and spacious. I flew it from Frankfort to Shanghai right after the outbreak of the pandemic back in 2020 and it was a very nice flight.
This is a terrific explanation, thank you! I see them both side-by-side in LHR all the time but never realized the seating differences.
I love both of them
Technologically the B787 / A350 are competitor, however they are not aimed at the same market segment.
The 787 is made to replace the aging 767 and compete with the A330, while the A350 is made to compete with the 777.
Unfortunately for the A350 it is because it offers only one engine, I think that this really prevents it from spreading...
I was a bit shocked when I saw this video but it’s good to know that the A350 has a bit more room to grow in sales.
Flown on both. They're both great airplanes!
Thanks for the explanation. I think they are both great. The A350 seems to have a more expansive digitization programme.
I've never flown on either.
I'm gonna fly in a 787 in October from Frankfurt to Tokyo
And I'm gonna work in a fleet of A330neo as a flight attendant
My pick is still the A350
Another proof regarding what you said is what Boeing themselves are mentioning! They only mention the A350 as the direct competitor to their 777x, but not to their Dreamliner!
Regarding the preferences, I haven't flown any of them, but if I have the luxury to choose which one to fly, I am going to go with the A350, because I simply trust Airbus products over Boeing.
Is that because the 737 MAX?
@@KAVX686 that's a competitor for the A320neo class, nowhere near the conversation of the 777x or 787 or A350.
@@akshaygowrishankar7440 he means Boeing is losing its trust because of the 737 max incident.
@@sagarshroff9624 okay, I thought you were asking about the first bit
you make good sense man stay alive when flying to your destination the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later Airbus is building around safety and not short cuts for profit over safety so arrive alive
Thanks Dr. Cooper.
787 and A350 is the same as the blonde/brunette conundrum. It could be argued until the end of time and never establish a clear winner. I did learn a lot today. Thanks!
“... recently retired their entire triple seven (777) fleet” - 4:53
If I remember correctly Delta cancel “their” (order was made by Northwest Airlines, before the merger) order for 787s for A350s as well as replaced their 747-400s/747-451s (again Northwest Airlines, before the merger) with A350s.
Assuming I remember correctly, does anyone have any theories as to why?
It was the delayed delivery of the 787. Had Delta gotten the 787 by 2010 they likely would have taken delivery. But the delay allowed them to defer their purchase decision. Delta ordered 25 A330neos a few years afterwards in addition to the A350's. By 2016 when the cancel decision was made Delta just didn't need the 787.
Delta has bought Airbus exclusively for the last 2 decades. They still fly some old Boeing/McDonald Douglas planes, but most have been retired.
Because the A350 is 12 years younger built with more composites better wings and more powerful engines better fly-by-wire systems it a no brainer that why Delta and more American Airlines will pick later
jefflewis4 Thank you.
Makes a lot of sense. The era of 4 engines jet is ending anyway. There are almost no routes that will demand a 500 passenger jet that can be profitably operated. They have to retire their 747s, and if they are also retiring their old 777s. They really need to fill the gap for the large jetliners, and it will be better to just replace them all with the same new jet that can fulfill all the roles they need and really bank on the economies of scale.
I agree, the A350 is too good for the 787.
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I really like the way you dissect these planes. Unlike the majority of videos on TH-cam, yours are very informative and a pleasure to watch.
Thank you and keep up the good work! 👍👍
I prefer the 787!
Thank you Coby for sharing that information and data. It never ceases to amze me how many folks were fixated on the concept of 787s vs A350s...outside of technologies, there's no comparison.
besides, after those 2 planes, both manufacturers have placed the same tech on other aircraft types.
Cody really out here explaining
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Do you mean *ex-planing*? lol
*Coby
Great video!
Flew longhaul on a 3 month old B789 and a 2 month old A359 on the same day, almost 3 years ago now. I preferred the latter because it was quieter and more spacious. (And yes, at the time I thought they were direct competitors.)
I loved my flight on an ETIHAD 787-9 BUT I WISH TO FLY ON A A350 TOO
I just flew from London to phx in a a350 and I was really impressed. Best plane I’ve been in to date!
Both are great in their own class. Just like I love camry, accord, mazda6 each are unique in their own way.
Exactly. That's why your channel caught my attention over some other enthusiastic but less accurate channels. Good insights.
I appreciate that!
Team 787 all day, you can’t beat that wing flex 😍
@@curtiswhyte3297 lol you're rediculous if you think wing flex looks rediculous
@@notbillnye8536 And your even more ridiculous if you judge someone else's taste
Its not wing flex its raked
Totally agree... look at a350 head on..a straight wing with a twist on the end..not exactly awe inspiring.. can't beat graceful curved of that 787 wing!!
I agree, the 787 wing flex is awesome and the whole plane just looks better but remember that they are not competitors...
Coby you hit the nail on the head with this one. I think people confuse the "rivalry" because the A350 was initially a response to the Dreamliner, but it morphed into so much more. Fun fact the A350 also used the infamous lithium ion batteries that the 787 kept burning up. Once that happened Airbus quietly replaced theirs with the standard (heavier) lead batteries but airlines can still opt for the Lithium ion batteries today (and some have). Cant' beat that weight saving and power output LOL.
I have not had the honor of flying on either so I can't comment. But I can say Subscribed.
I’ve only flown the A350 once, but every time I’ve flown in the 787 I’ve been more comfortable than I was in the A350. This was mainly because they were less crowded, which makes sense after watching the video. In terms of looks they’re both really beautiful planes. Also, the diagram at 5:15 blows my mind; not at all how I expected comparisons of these planes to turn out.
Depends on the Airline not the plane.
I find the a350 a lot smoother and quiter to fly.
Very detailed and logical explanation!
I personally haven't experienced the A350. My only 787 experience was with Singapore Airlines which operated the dash 10 type. The plane was modern, comfortable and made the flight more than just a trip. The flight was an enjoyment.
After the pandemic I'd like to try the 787s operated by ANA
At 5:54, there's an error in the calculations shown. 68.4 and 266.5 for their respective A350 types has been interchanged.
I WORK AT BOEING AND WE ALWAYS KNEW THE A350 WAS COMING AFTER THE 777!!!! SO YOU ARE RIGHT 100% THAT IS WHERE THE 777X CAME FROM!
A350 all the way!
I have flown the A350 from Hong Kong to LAX, the 787-9 from SFO to SIN and the 787-10 from SGN to SIN. The configurations, seating, service made a difference in my experience. They were all more enjoyable to the older aircraft.
I've flown both and for the passenger it really depends on the operator. They are both much nicer to fly in than the 777 or A330
In what way are they nicer to fly in than the 777?
@@accesscrimea The engines are quieter and the ride is less bumpy
My BOI Coby be vibing on a 1million kill streek
Range is another key difference to be mentioned.
Coby: the A350 and 787 are not competitors
Also Coby: the new 787 is a A350 killer
A350 just looks amazing 🙈😎
A350>787
@Minsung Kim dream on matey
@Radif Mdrrr!
You are a frustred Airbus Fanboy 😁😂
@@ndlben7129 airbus forever, is best. But i'd like fly in the 787-10
@@ellyligth ive flown on a 787 and an a350 the a350 was so damn quiet compared to how loud the 787 is
787 IS MY FAVOURITE PASSENGER PLANE!
I’ve flown on the 787 four times and the A350 just once and I personally preferred the A350 experience
It just depends on the airline
I don't like Airbus cockpits
787 is my favorite!
The 787 is one of the best modern planes Boeing has built. Right up there with the 777x!
@Sean well done airbus fan alway's bring up the max. Do you want a gold sticker
@Sean hmm good like with ATTOL airbus fans 😂😂😂. You will be baby sitting or aircraft
@ASHIM GARG you believe what you want
@Sean I didn't star anything you did with the shitty comment about the max. Ye I deserve a gold sticker say I'm a dick head on it
@Sean ????? So if I was so rude but It is actually annoying when Airbus fans bring up the max
Once again, nice video, Coby! Unlike that Australian teenager's videos, I actually learn something from yours...
haha thanks :)
You talking about dj’s aviation?
If given the option, I'd 100% take retraining for the 787. It's such a beautiful bird, not to mention the bleedless packs and better pilot comfort, it's all around just a much prettier cockpit, quieter too.
I love the 787 and would be flying it for our airline, if it wasn’t for the longer trips. I prefer shorthaul routes, unfortunately our 787 do not fly these 🤨
To me the A350 cockpit is ugly, and the window design looks like you’re in the Spaceshuttle.
I flew from London to Kuala Lumpur last year; 787 to Doha, then got a pleasent suprise when finding out Qatar changed the craft from a 777 to an A350 from Doha to KL.. Considering we were quite tired and in Economy.. We really felt comfortable.. Ambient lighting, seat configuration. Air conditioning systems made the 8 hour journey
Smooth.. It also helps that both 787 and A350 can cruise at 41'000ft don't recall there being any significant Turbulence at all.
Great video! I'd love to see more videos with similar comparisons. Maybe 737 variants vs. a320/a321......love math when someone else is doing the work! :D
Take the A321 out of the equation. It is a mid range aircraft. The 737 is a dead duck. Boeing overeached rather than build a new aircraft. Should have listened to the engineers not the bean counters before the 800, never mind the max. The 737 is an early 60's design, way beyond its lifespan .
First time i got a proper and logic explanation and it makes sense - if numbers presented are correct. Personally i flew all planes mentioned and by far the a350 is my favorite. Yes - all the newer planes have nifty gadgets but what astonished me the most as a frequent flyer is the level of silence in an a350 - one can hardly tell engines are running when in air. No comparison so far in my opinion. Thanks for the great explanation!
So all this time, I have been lied to?
*How many other lies have I been told by the council?*
Son. I hate to break it to you.
You are adopted.
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I agree with the non-comparison. Haven’t tuned in for a while, glad I did today. And you’re rockin’ that beard 👍🏻😉
The A350 is a stunning airplane to my eyes, especially if dressed with the elegant Lufthansa livery
Finnair
"elegant" Lufthansa 🤔
A350s are wider and offers the same 3x3x3 seat config. Been flown in both I can say the XWB is roomier, seats are wider and engines is quieter. Can't say the same about japanese carriers as they use a different config for 787s (2x4x2) and nobody can deny this is the proper seat arrangement for the Boeing aircraft. I think both are beautiful and fulfill their purpouse over the average.
Just compare the MTOW: the difference is huge.
I personally don't care for neither plane. The 777 and its variants is still a better plane than the 787 in so many ways. And the A350 wasn't a good replacement for the A340-500 & 600 even though it is more economical than the four-engine plane. I see the 787 as a replacement for the 767 which nobody seems to talk about.
Both the A350 and 787 are remarkable planes. The have their respective place in the industry.
Don’t compare both of them, A350 series direct competitor to Boeing 777x series….A330neo series is direct competitor for 787series
Well argued! I’m now convinced. I like both for their own qualities.
Wasn’t the A350 a response to the 787 because airbus saw it had potential? I’m not saying it’s a *direct* competitor. Maybe that’s why some think it directly competes
And wasn't the A380 a response to the 777? Obviously, ideas can come from anywhere. But it doesn't mean the final product matches the inspiration...
I was a fan of B787, then I took a flight from Hong Kong to Ethiopia on a A350 that completely changed my mind of which is my fav, I still love both of these gorgeous airplanes, but if I am going to be stuck in one for hours, I would choose A350 for sure. I've flown between Hong Kong and Taipei on A350 a few times and it just further cemented A350 as my fav aircraft.
787 forever
I flew the A350 to Singapore, then flew the 787 on the same route...then scheduled my next flight on the 787. It is currently my favorite plane for comfort, seating configuration (United economy), etc.
everyone thinks that the a350 and 787 are competitors because they look a lot alike
And there very similar in range and and the amount of seats
@@SierraDelta- nope, A350's seating capacity is much near to the 777 rather than a 787
A359 is about the same as B777-200series and B78X while A35k is about the same as B77W and B777-8
Also the range of the A350 is a bit further than any Boeing aircraft, except 777-200LR
Nice breakdown. I love them both. No 🔥 storm here my dude. Keep up the good work.
787 = A330neo
777X = A350
@@77l96 the distance of seat number between 787 and A350 is much larger than 777X and A350 plus A350 is A350-2000 capable
The seating configuration is what makes or breaks either of them. 3-3-3 on 787 can be really cramped in some window seats where the wall curves into where your shoulder would be. Meanwhile many a350s also adopt the same 3-3-3 pattern despite the extra width. So from a perspective of personal space the a350 is the clear winner in most cases today. There are of course exceptions like JAL with their roomy 8 abreast 787 and French Bee with the cramped 10 abreast a350.
Their maximum passenger numbers are diffrent a350 is for b777 or 777X and a330 neo is for b787
True
DCR KANAL that’s what the video says..so thanks for repeating it I guess...
@@iamjames8200 lol i made this comment before the video😅
I'm always having this discussion with friends and random people and they don't trust me.🤦🏽♂️Thanks for this video.
A330neo
Another great example of this is the brazilian company TAM, that when started to merge with Lan Chile, begun to retired their a330s for the 787s. And now they are retiring their 777-200s and replacing the routes with A350s. They were a case with the Delta and Qatar all together.