Honestly the ancient histories of Star Wars has fascinated me more than almost every other era of Star Wars. The ancient Sith, Rakata Empire, Coruscant before it was an entire city, the early days of the Republic, exploration of hyperspace. All of these make so many great stories that are more deserving of high budget medias: probably more than milking the Skywalker name over and over again
My thoughts exactly. Its possible the creators are under slightly less scrutiny since its not main series material so we can get some really creative stuff. Its almost like the scifi we got at the turn of the century.
Imagine being in one of the last sleeper ships, and waking up hundreds of years after you left only to find your great great great grandchildren already at your destination, having invented the hyperdrive generations ago.
That’s one of the flaws of long range sleeper ships irl. You could send out ships but then invent newer faster tech and arrive before the first ship ever got there
The Harry Turtledove "World War" series of books had something like that occur but not in colonising[mostly]. Premise, during the early years of ww2 an alien lizard species that had reconnoitered earth for invasion back during the first crusade comes back with really slow ftl and attempts to invade and take over the planet. They EMP'd most of the planet but that doesn't do much of anything and we actually have a decent shot at defending against them. It crawls along so much that in the later century we first send our first envoy military ship to their home system. This is the part that jives with your post. On the way there it takes long enough to travel that the speed of the ftl tech is furthered to a point of half the speed\time taken and a second ship catches up with the first.
Hehehe yes like in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where they sent sleeper warships and then invented FTL, made peace, lived so much in harmony that they didn't have much weapons around anymore and then the sleeper warships arrived and despite being very old, they just destroyed these new hippies. 🤣
As I understand it, getting into Hyperdrive is not overly hard. The issue has always been _navigation_ once you are there. Rakatta and the Skywalkers used the Force. But that does limit reliability to planets strong with the force (which usually means life). Gree used a really advanced computer. The Lassat somehow used their staffs. However, it is worth remembering that the Speed of Light in Star Wars seems _much_ higher then in the Real World. STL travel to another system is quite feasible - if somewhat uncommon. As seen with the Falcon traveling to Bespin 4 and that time the Mandalorian slowboated to another planet. Or that time they could see Starkiller Base firing from literally lightyears away.
Actually Disney came up with an explanation for Starkiller Base's shots being seen from seemingly impossible distances - a stupid explanation, but an explanation nonetheless: According to a tweet from Pablo Hidalgo, the vast quantities of energy released by firing of the Starkiller weapon had the ability to create a temporary rip in sub-hyperspace, thus allowing the Hosnian system's destruction to be viewed from across the galaxy as it occurred.
@@spacelag5104 I'll accept that actually, because Centerpoint in Legends was purposefully designed to fire repulsor beams through hyperspace, celestial bodies create mass shadows in hyperspace, and Starkiller base is a mass accelerator cannon literally firing chunks of a star at FTL speeds. There's going to be some crazy physics interactions.
@@robertnelson9599 Well, the Hyperspace Canon sounds a lot like the Galaxy gun from Star Wars Legends. I don't know if the concept Hyperspace Canon came about before Mass Effect, but the Galaxy gun definitely did.
@@mechwar31 that "idea" is not really new, Star Trek VOY had one in Season 6 and using a cannon for spaceflight, that would in theory be 1865 De la Terra à la Lune von Jules Verne, yes, shorter distance and not FTL, but then, we didn't even know that there are other Galaxies out there and with better understanding of the Universe, the Writers dreamed bigger
You gotta wonder - did they have FTL communication before using the hyperspace cannon? If not, were they just blindly firing ships into the void, hoping they made it?
Kinda but not really. Mass Relays require a destination Relay. And Hyperspace Cannons fired ships into Hyperspace. Mass Relays just reduce the mass of a ship to presumably negative. Similar sure but still vastly different. It's like saying the Stargates from Stargate are like the gates of Cowboy Beebop.
I know there was probably lots of computing that went into the Hyperspace Cannons (I'm guessing functionally something along the lines of the Mass Relays from Mass Effect) but I like to imagine them at first just yeeting vessels into hyperspace and hoping for the best.
Yeah there would have to be hundreds of trillions of relays relaying all this information because nothing is static out in space we are moving our planet is moving not just around the Sun but through space itself
It's like the equivalent of strapping a plane to a giant slingshot, and sending it into the next continent. I mean there ARE slingshots for fighter planes, but not for that purpose...
I would feel remiss if I did not mention the massive organic hyperspace Launch Gates of Kathol, which the native Kathol species used to colonize their native sector in the Outer Rim. They remained operational up until the Old Republic era, when a couple of Dark Jedi tried to conquer the Kathol system, overloaded and destroyed the Kathol Gate, and the resulting energy surge rendered the remaining gates in the network inoperable. The so-called "Rift Disaster" created the chaotic and dangerous Kathol Rift, and even stranded a large number of ships belonging to the Char Ontee in Otherspace (who eventually became the Charon).
Hyperspace Cannons sound a LOT like how the Mass Relays in Mass Effect work. Except that instead of just finding dormant relays already placed across the galaxy, they had to BUILD those relays, which takes time and resources.
I've always loved the Aang Tii, and their mastery of folded space is part of it. No other race has navigators that can simply decide to arrive at the other end of the galaxy instantaneously, knowing where to go and how to get there through the force alone, be it from a planet or aboard a ship. They could be the most powerful race in the galaxy but they know there's no point to try so they've just been chilling since the Rakatan days, and are one of the only ancient races that hasn't "Fallen" since then, because they never strove against the force to "rise".
The hyperspace cannon remind me of the concept of laser highways that could be made in reality. A laser pushes a ship along the highway. Then it reaches the next laser which is a couple light days further down the line. This imparts more speed and so on and so forth until the ship hits the light speed barrier.
I really liked the Holtzman engines from Dune, where nobody knows how they work they just know that they work. I guess a lot of that faster than light mystery carried over to star wars as well
Hyperdrives have got to be one of the most revolutionary inventions in the galaxy. The ability for any old ship (with the capabilities of having the hyperdrive) can just jump into hyper speed whenever it wants brings so much to how battles are fought and how wars are waged. I fight with one ship could turn to a fight with many ships in just seconds and there would he little time to react.
One of my favorite stories from this time period has to be the Dawn of the Jedi comics where the Je’daii fight the Rakata. (Honestly, it kinda feels like if the Je’daii had kept their balance of the Force, maybe a lot of galactic history might’ve gone a lot better. Maybe the dark Jedi never would’ve arisen, been banished, and became the Sith when they came to Korriban… but I guess that’s neither here nor there, and their way of balance has been lost to history…)
Well the sith wouldn't have been a thing if they still retained their ways if balance .Most of the events of modern galactic history has been shaped mostly by the never-ending conflict of the Jedi and the Sith .The Star wars timeline would have been unrecognisable .There would have been no Skywalker family whatsoever as Anakin was born due to plagueis's machinations with the force and as a result the force sending the choosen one to destroy the sith who have pushed things too far . Such experiments would have never occurred and that would mean no Luke or Leia Skywalker or any of the other Skywalker descendants for example .
One of the suggestions I kept seeing within the discussion for The Rise of Skywalker was for the Sith Eternal fleet to amass ancient, living Sith warships similar to the Chittauri from the Marvel comics and the Cybertron warships from the Transformers lore. While not equipped with planet-destroying cannons, they could have some primitive hyperdrives based on bending the will of the Force, just like kyber crystal “bleeding” process. Sure, it would puzzle the general audience, but certainly would’ve been epic to see. I would love more ancient Star Wars to be covered in near future. So far we have Force-powered starfighters, the protosaber, and unique planet-killing methods. If the new High Republic content have anything to say, it’s that we’d be seeing some cool ancient shit in cinematics. I just hope hyperspace tech is one of them.
Let's not forget the strange force creatures, such as the Purrgil, who can travel through hyperspace, and the Loth Wolves who disappear on one hemisphere, only to reappear on the other. It may be possible, that certain creatures can jump between worlds.
ESPECIALLY those space whales with their “lightspeed tentacles”. The ones in Rebels felt Lovecraftian in design, and just the idea of creatures having mysterious powers in the Force that allows them to bend reality not like humanoids is, in my opinion, incredible to witness. One of the suggestions I kept seeing within the discussion for The Rise of Skywalker was for the Sith Eternal fleet to amass ancient, living Sith warships similar to the Chittauri from the Marvel comics and the Cybertron warships from the Transformers lore. While not equipped with planet-destroying cannons, they could have some primitive hyperdrives based on bending the will of the Force, just like kyber crystal “bleeding” process. Sure, it would puzzle the general audience, but certainly would’ve been epic to see.
It's definitely my opinion that while also alive, the Loth Wolves are force beings almost akin to the Celestials. Only, representative of the primal living force.
I just want to give you props for coming up with so many interesting video ideas for years and so frequently. This is an interesting topic for sure. Thanks!
The Gree and Kwa used hypergates however they functioned more like stargates in the Stargate universe. It was instant point-to-point gate travel. I think there is one race that did invent gates that punched holes directly to Hyperspace but I forget their names
If you want good FTL you either have the alcubierre drive, or slip space from halo or space bridges from transformers or transwarp from transformers. Teleportation and portals are also fine especially if you want to make a quick get away.
This is really informative and imaginative. I play a SW RPG charter that is a mildly force-sensitive hyperlane-mapper. This gives so much more depth to the tech and mystery of hyperlaning!
I find this detailed nerd stuff fascinating as I am in the process of world building a huge Sci-fi/fantasy novel book series. Book 1 is in the process of being queried for publication right now. But that said; my "world" is an entire multiverse with a focus on a section of the universe ruled fairly well by a giant multi galaxy spanning Space Empire. There book characters story takes place across several galaxies and a number of worlds within this setting. And as you can imagine, filling this universe with realistic life and civilizations takes allot of mental work. But videos on channels like yours really help me to imagine and plan out a more authentic set of galaxies and world within. So thank you Eckhart for your help in this crafting process! 😄
On the topic of hyperspace travel, how did ships communicate while in hyperspace, since it’s technically a parallel dimension? This occurs several times in clone wars and rebels, and is there a solid technological justification or was it more of a plot convenience?
@@dalentoews3418, did you mean "subspace"? Cuz that's Trek. Sublight means slower than light, so there's no way something enabling real time conversation at interstellar distances is sublight
I think that's just a continuity break. You can transmit through hyperspace to speak in real time (I've always assumed this is by ascribing token mass to a message to then push through and these seem to take significant comms infrastructure), but you should be in a communications blackout when FTL as it's nearly impossible to know where you are vs. another location and send a message to intercept it. A lot of sci fi has some quantum entanglement based system to have a way to have two points stay in contact no matter what, so I image SW has something like that.
Star Wars has always been about plot convenience, it’s fantasy rather than Sci-Fi. There’s no established “science” in Star Wars that makes any real sense and any explanation is scrubbed when they need a new one for story sake. Lucas didn’t plan for Vader to be Luke’s father, which is why it took 40 years to explain Obi-Wan’s “Vader betrayed and murdered your father” remark. He had Luke and Leia kissing before he decided they were twins. Palpating was definitely dead until JJ had to come up with something - anything - for the third sequel. The fact is, Star Wars is an unorganized mess.
The Star Wars setting also has something called the Dimensional Displacement Drive, basically the Star Trek warp drive, but they were less than a tenth the speed of even the slowest hyperdrive, required vastly more power, and were inherently dangerous. There was also the Tumble Drive, a type of hyperdrive with extremely unstable and inaccurate hyperdrive that's a gamble every time it used. Maybe you arrive, maybe you land in uncharted space, maybe you materialize inside a star.
I've always wanted to see shows/movies about super early era starwars...... But with how Disney has handled the franchise so far I've suppressed most of my hopes for star wars.
Well Disney Star Wars and Star Wars are two separate canons. Disney Star Wars is not part of the same original Star Wars Saga or universe. It's literally fan-fiction with a multi-million dollar budget and no heart.
@@mechwar31 I would like more than just people who are sometimes able to make something passable. Mando is a massive retard only alive because his helmet and shoulder pads give him invincibility. Boba is so fucking stupid he fired a rocket point blank into a wall of ray shields surrounding him. This shit is considered fantastic.
"Ok I don't know much about this 'hyperspace travel'. How does it work before you send me to another planet?" "We're gonna put your ship into a big canon and shoot you into another dimension."
I always found Sub-Ether from Outlaw Star to be a limited hyperspace. While great distances could be achieved, each jump didn't last very long and required a long recharge time. The hyperdrive rings from Green Lantern First Flight helped with a lot of travel, but they weren't labeled so you could end up taking a lot of jumps before reaching your destination.
The two most over-the-top travel capabilities I've ever encountered in sci-fi both come from the third book of Peter Hamilton's 'Night's Dawn' trilogy. In second place, we have the alien Kiint, who can teleport you directly from the surface of one planet, to the surface of another planet, * in... another... galaxy... * (basically anywhere in the local cluster) instantly, with no apparent technology at either place. But they are a distant second compared to... The Sleeping God. The only known artifact of an unimaginably advanced alien species, gone now since they 'got bored' with this reality and went somewhere else. The Sleeping God can open wormholes that: A: Instantly take you to an entirely different galactic supercluster on the far side of the universe. B: Instantly take you to another time period, millions, billions, even trillions of years away. C: Instantly take you to another reality. D: Can be so big entire * solar systems * can pass through them unaffected.
I remember subscribing years ago, seeing the channel and community grow. It's neat. The quality and quantity of the content growing and all of that. Good job👌 keep up the fantastic work, and may the force be with you.
One of my favorite lines from the Star Wars series is when Atton from KOTOR 2 decided that we should run from the Sith, and said, "Let's burn sky until we see lines". It was an awesome description of what we see from the cockpit while jumping and it sounded so badass! I like to drop it in conversations when the group of friends and I out drinking and we decide to head to another bar.
So Star Wars is essentially Mass Effect if it kept innovating for another couple hundred thousand years into the future… in a galaxy far far away… a long time ago. Wow, Heavy
One thing that you missed mentioning was the _dimensional drive,_ an early FTL technology that enabled FTL travel in realspace by rippling spacetime around a vessel. A lot of the spread of humans throughout the core worlds in ancient times IIRC used sleeper ships with dimensional drive FTL and crews in cryo, for voyages of a decade or more. (The way this FTL system was stated to work - rippling spacetime ahead and aft of a vessel - makes it pretty much an Alcubierre drive, also known as a ST style warp drive. It's a theoretically possible FTL drive according to real life physics.)
2:30 This part makes me recall the lore on the propagation of Scarlaccs. If I am not mistaken, they launch spores that travel slower than lightspeed to infect other planets.
Hi Eck, just wondering: In the X-wing fan film you promoted a while back, we see the Lusankya and other star destroyers jump to hyperspace from within Coruscant's atmosphere. According to my knowledge this shouldn't be possible, as you need to be at a hyperspace node at the start of a hyperspace lane before you can jump. I'd really appreciate an explanation.
There is something called a dimensional drive that, from the Wookieepedia page description, sounds very similar to the Star Trek warp drive. That could be the FTL method the sleep ships used that you mentioned.
Remember that episode of Rebels where Ezra enters The StarGate and almost gets hypnotized by Palpatine? That's another way. doesn't get talked as much. Probably a whole ass system of travel as well.
Sleeper ships reminds me of Star Trek! & the superhumans from the Neogeneic Wars! The sleeper ship was called the Botany Bay! Which was launched before warp drives were invented (give or take a few years)! Interesting parallel between the two!
After reading the first book in the High Republic series I found this subject interesting. The truth about how wild and dangerous, the affect on mental health of various beings is part of galactic history.
Do you think that Rakatans being able to travel mostly to places with strong Force signature is an attempt at fixing the scale of Rakatan empire, which wasn't as huge as one would expect in-universe to be? Aka "yes, they did conquer a lot of planets. With an asterix that it's about planets with strong Force signature"
There's no reason to say relativity doesn't work the same in Star Wars. Relativity is about movement through realspace by normal thrust, so it probably works exactly the same in star wars (their ion drives don't go anywhere near fast enough to experience noticeable relativistic effects). It's just that far future tech has found a way around relativity (including all of its effects on time, etc). This might be possible in the real world for all we know.
Solar sailing, though the term is false for it isn't solar pressure but rather tachyon streams that sails captured, were also used. The normal sail, often moon-size in diameter, caught tachyon streams and accelerated the vessel to a speed necessary to enter the hyperspace free of cost. The ancient Gree, however, deployed sails whose means of propulsion are still unknown and were much smaller, but allowed for even greater results. Count Dooku's Geonosian solar sloop is equipped with such a sail that Dooku bought in Gree Enclave. Arch-Duke, who gifted the vessel, was quite happy to see it, since Geonosians had a long and proud tradition of solar sailing.
I hope that you explore the Star Gate franchise one day. They have OP ship propulsion technology that would make any Jedi council member lust, for instance they have giant star gates that allow whole fleets to transport to a whole new galaxy instantaneously.
one thing that would be interesting, as perhaps the ultimate version of a "carrier" in SW is a modern hyperdrive equipped ship with a version of one of the gate systems, fly the gate where needed and have the other side be on a planet with all your forces
In stellaris there is a stellar catapult that is built around stars and can be used to “catapult” a fleet to a general area of the galaxy it’s pretty cool
I’m glad you noted that relatively doesn’t apply to the star wars universe. If it did, by the time Han Solo made a couple trips around the galaxy, thousands of years would have passed on tatooine, and likely Jabba would be long dead. Then again, assuming FASTER than light, weird things happen. You might go back in time, or return to an alternate dimension that is very different yet also similar, or completely unsafe for human life… it’s just not possible without screwing with time. It would be difficult to make deals across galaxies because time is all wacky.
I like the idea of the hyperspace cannon. That could be a awesome premise for a TV show. I'm thinking Lost in Space, but in the unknown regions or wild space. The cannons are spread out and our heros have a crazy adventure to find each one to get back home. Lucasflim, get on it!
I want to know more about how the infinity and hyper gates operated as I use a portal gate system in my sci-fi fantasy world. Sounds like a system that could be much safer and even quicker than hyperspace
1:30 reminds me of the Guild Navigators from Dune because they couldn't use computers (because of the jihad against thinking machines) they had to use the navigators who used the spice to 'see' the safe paths, if I understand it correctly. Interesting concept in general.
I was aware of the Hypergates the Gree and Kwa invented before the Rakatan Hyperdrive, but hyperspace cannons?! That's a new one. I'm not sure if you've talked about any of these yet, but since you asked for possible topics: 1. A look at the Planet and race of Duro. It might just be me, but they've always fascinated me more than their Nemoidian cousins. 2. A closer look at Xizor and Black Sun, since you mentioned them in the Top 5 crime groups video. 3. Your thoughts on the Old Republic Era.
I love how anything-goes the Star Wars universe is. Like, Star Trek has transporters and warp drive. That's how things work. Star Wars has wormholes, hypersace cannons, sleeper ships, regular old hyperdrive, and really, none, *none* of it has to make sense. Why? Because it's written for fun. Sure, it's chaotic and whimsical, two things I'm bad at, but really that's the charm of Star Wars. It's wonderful. That being said, I'm glad we have both sides of the coin: wild and occasionally off-the-wall stuff like Star Wars and the more researched ideas of more standard Science Fiction. Without both, our world would be boring. With both, maybe more of the whimsy and the science behind it will creep into our reality.
honestly i dont know how mich lore there is but i would like to see a video or short about the hypergates or force gates. and if if know anything about stargate throw in a comparison or differences.
Some of what you said reminded me of Star Trek Voyager episode conspiracy. There was this device called the "Graviton catapult that was created to propel a spacecraft across interstellar space. The power core of the catapult generated a massive graviton surge that locked onto a ship through an array of projectors. The surge sent the ship hurtling into null space for some hours. Upon emerging back to normal space, the vessel had jumped many hundreds or even thousands of light years. The distance was determined by the graviton field strength.
I remember that episode... Yeah, there was also a Voyager novel, called 'Incident at Arbok' which featured a similar idea. They come across an alien species trying to develop a 'warp accelerator' essentially a long hollow tube big enough for ships to fly through. The idea is that a ship passes through the tube, while building up a strong warp field, while the tube builds an equally strong field of the opposite polarity, in theory accelerating the ship to almost transwarp velocities. Unfortunately, the species in question are somewhat scatterbrained and thus all of their engineering, even when it does work, is dangerously unpredictable and accident prone, and the accelerator is totally unworkable. (As a funny aside, the species is also hyper-argumentative, even when things are already in their favor. Neelix calls them 'So *annoying* even the Borg don't bother.')
Basically all acient of star wars is interesting to me. For this video i'd like to have a deeper dive or at least a visual display of the workings and perhaps different designs of the hyperspace cannons.
The weirder thing about ancient times is that species like Humans already *knew* that not only were there other species in the galaxy, but that many of their own species had been taken to distant systems by ancient powers like the Rakata or the Celestials. This accounts for why you don't see many species-wide space empires in Star Wars. Colonies (settled willingly or unwillingly) often had millennia-old cultures of their own even when they finally regained contact with others of their own species in distant systems. The existence of various iterations of a Republic were because these worlds were not interested in centralized rule until millennia of interaction created some culture commonality. It's almost like a rebuttal to real-life people who irrationally fret about a "One World Order" that is nowhere near becoming a reality because even within nations most people can't agree on anything.
Honestly the ancient histories of Star Wars has fascinated me more than almost every other era of Star Wars. The ancient Sith, Rakata Empire, Coruscant before it was an entire city, the early days of the Republic, exploration of hyperspace. All of these make so many great stories that are more deserving of high budget medias: probably more than milking the Skywalker name over and over again
That would require Disney to spend money on good writers.
Idk man, I’d milk Rei ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Disney doesn't care about what the fans actually want to see
agreed
My thoughts exactly. Its possible the creators are under slightly less scrutiny since its not main series material so we can get some really creative stuff. Its almost like the scifi we got at the turn of the century.
Imagine being in one of the last sleeper ships, and waking up hundreds of years after you left only to find your great great great grandchildren already at your destination, having invented the hyperdrive generations ago.
well, that's basicly the backstory of the Honor Harrington Books or many other ones
That’s one of the flaws of long range sleeper ships irl. You could send out ships but then invent newer faster tech and arrive before the first ship ever got there
Thats the outriders premise, the world is fucked up because humans got there before the colonist sent there arrived
The Harry Turtledove "World War" series of books had something like that occur but not in colonising[mostly]. Premise, during the early years of ww2 an alien lizard species that had reconnoitered earth for invasion back during the first crusade comes back with really slow ftl and attempts to invade and take over the planet. They EMP'd most of the planet but that doesn't do much of anything and we actually have a decent shot at defending against them. It crawls along so much that in the later century we first send our first envoy military ship to their home system. This is the part that jives with your post. On the way there it takes long enough to travel that the speed of the ftl tech is furthered to a point of half the speed\time taken and a second ship catches up with the first.
Hehehe yes like in hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where they sent sleeper warships and then invented FTL, made peace, lived so much in harmony that they didn't have much weapons around anymore and then the sleeper warships arrived and despite being very old, they just destroyed these new hippies. 🤣
As I understand it, getting into Hyperdrive is not overly hard. The issue has always been _navigation_ once you are there.
Rakatta and the Skywalkers used the Force. But that does limit reliability to planets strong with the force (which usually means life).
Gree used a really advanced computer.
The Lassat somehow used their staffs.
However, it is worth remembering that the Speed of Light in Star Wars seems _much_ higher then in the Real World. STL travel to another system is quite feasible - if somewhat uncommon. As seen with the Falcon traveling to Bespin 4 and that time the Mandalorian slowboated to another planet. Or that time they could see Starkiller Base firing from literally lightyears away.
Actually Disney came up with an explanation for Starkiller Base's shots being seen from seemingly impossible distances - a stupid explanation, but an explanation nonetheless:
According to a tweet from Pablo Hidalgo, the vast quantities of energy released by firing of the Starkiller weapon had the ability to create a temporary rip in sub-hyperspace, thus allowing the Hosnian system's destruction to be viewed from across the galaxy as it occurred.
The Skywalkers could sense gravitational anomalies, devoid of life. Like iOS Pluto Jupiter all the moons they could sense them.
@@LewpyDrewpy714 The Skywalkers? Is that a race? I've tried Googling but Anakins pod race just comes up XD
in Legends, Falcon reaching Bespin 4 is explained by her having a much slower backup hyperdrive like many Legends ships have.
@@spacelag5104 I'll accept that actually, because Centerpoint in Legends was purposefully designed to fire repulsor beams through hyperspace, celestial bodies create mass shadows in hyperspace, and Starkiller base is a mass accelerator cannon literally firing chunks of a star at FTL speeds. There's going to be some crazy physics interactions.
The hyperspace cannon sounds a lot like a mass relay if you ask me.
The question is, which came first.
@@robertnelson9599 Well, the Hyperspace Canon sounds a lot like the Galaxy gun from Star Wars Legends. I don't know if the concept Hyperspace Canon came about before Mass Effect, but the Galaxy gun definitely did.
@@mechwar31 that "idea" is not really new, Star Trek VOY had one in Season 6 and using a cannon for spaceflight, that would in theory be 1865 De la Terra à la Lune von Jules Verne, yes, shorter distance and not FTL, but then, we didn't even know that there are other Galaxies out there and with better understanding of the Universe, the Writers dreamed bigger
You gotta wonder - did they have FTL communication before using the hyperspace cannon? If not, were they just blindly firing ships into the void, hoping they made it?
the hyperspace gun was in Heavy Metal 2000
The hyperspace cannon sounds very similar to the mass relay in mass effect. Non the less a really cool way to travel
Shepard. Commander.
@@Soboba.Fett69 Legion.
I have the mental imagine of this MASSIVE cannon on the surface of a planet that ships get loaded into like bullets...
Hehe, I scrolled down specifically to write this; nice. 😄👍🏻
Kinda but not really. Mass Relays require a destination Relay.
And Hyperspace Cannons fired ships into Hyperspace. Mass Relays just reduce the mass of a ship to presumably negative.
Similar sure but still vastly different. It's like saying the Stargates from Stargate are like the gates of Cowboy Beebop.
I really enjoy these pre-republic era videos. I never knew anything about it really, so it’s fun to learn about the expanded universe lore
I know there was probably lots of computing that went into the Hyperspace Cannons (I'm guessing functionally something along the lines of the Mass Relays from Mass Effect) but I like to imagine them at first just yeeting vessels into hyperspace and hoping for the best.
No matter how good your calculations, it boils down to pretty much that.
Yeah there would have to be hundreds of trillions of relays relaying all this information because nothing is static out in space we are moving our planet is moving not just around the Sun but through space itself
It's like the equivalent of strapping a plane to a giant slingshot, and sending it into the next continent.
I mean there ARE slingshots for fighter planes, but not for that purpose...
I would feel remiss if I did not mention the massive organic hyperspace Launch Gates of Kathol, which the native Kathol species used to colonize their native sector in the Outer Rim. They remained operational up until the Old Republic era, when a couple of Dark Jedi tried to conquer the Kathol system, overloaded and destroyed the Kathol Gate, and the resulting energy surge rendered the remaining gates in the network inoperable. The so-called "Rift Disaster" created the chaotic and dangerous Kathol Rift, and even stranded a large number of ships belonging to the Char Ontee in Otherspace (who eventually became the Charon).
There was also a species in the Kathol Rift that used semi-organic technology along with their force powers to make hyperspace jumps.
Just wanted to say that your outro remains probably my favourite on youtube!
Hyperspace Cannons sound a LOT like how the Mass Relays in Mass Effect work. Except that instead of just finding dormant relays already placed across the galaxy, they had to BUILD those relays, which takes time and resources.
Well technically the relays were built....just not by the protheans 😂😂
I've always loved the Aang Tii, and their mastery of folded space is part of it. No other race has navigators that can simply decide to arrive at the other end of the galaxy instantaneously, knowing where to go and how to get there through the force alone, be it from a planet or aboard a ship. They could be the most powerful race in the galaxy but they know there's no point to try so they've just been chilling since the Rakatan days, and are one of the only ancient races that hasn't "Fallen" since then, because they never strove against the force to "rise".
Fold space is theoretically possible and that is a mindfck and a half
"Back in my day, before those fancy hyperdrives"
-some old guy probably
Really love this new "series" delving into the past of the star wars universe
The hyperspace cannon remind me of the concept of laser highways that could be made in reality. A laser pushes a ship along the highway. Then it reaches the next laser which is a couple light days further down the line. This imparts more speed and so on and so forth until the ship hits the light speed barrier.
Galactic (stelar)laser Highway, my favorite for non-FTL travel along with fusion and blackhole drives. Isaac Arthur talked about them on his channel.
@@PaulZyCZ Yup, that's where I heard about it too.
very much enjoying the quick format of your vids bro
Finally a video on this. I've been fascinated with this specific topic for a while now
I really liked the Holtzman engines from Dune, where nobody knows how they work they just know that they work. I guess a lot of that faster than light mystery carried over to star wars as well
yeah thats hyperdrives in a nutshell
The skywalkers have always interested me. I don’t really know much about them but every time I read about them I enjoy
Hyperdrives have got to be one of the most revolutionary inventions in the galaxy. The ability for any old ship (with the capabilities of having the hyperdrive) can just jump into hyper speed whenever it wants brings so much to how battles are fought and how wars are waged. I fight with one ship could turn to a fight with many ships in just seconds and there would he little time to react.
It's a tarp!!
True but star wars doesn't use this to great effect a lot
@@adamharris-batt6333 yeah, cuz writers
One of my favorite stories from this time period has to be the Dawn of the Jedi comics where the Je’daii fight the Rakata. (Honestly, it kinda feels like if the Je’daii had kept their balance of the Force, maybe a lot of galactic history might’ve gone a lot better. Maybe the dark Jedi never would’ve arisen, been banished, and became the Sith when they came to Korriban… but I guess that’s neither here nor there, and their way of balance has been lost to history…)
Well the sith wouldn't have been a thing if they still retained their ways if balance .Most of the events of modern galactic history has been shaped mostly by the never-ending conflict of the Jedi and the Sith .The Star wars timeline would have been unrecognisable .There would have been no Skywalker family whatsoever as Anakin was born due to plagueis's machinations with the force and as a result the force sending the choosen one to destroy the sith who have pushed things too far . Such experiments would have never occurred and that would mean no Luke or Leia Skywalker or any of the other Skywalker descendants for example .
One of the suggestions I kept seeing within the discussion for The Rise of Skywalker was for the Sith Eternal fleet to amass ancient, living Sith warships similar to the Chittauri from the Marvel comics and the Cybertron warships from the Transformers lore. While not equipped with planet-destroying cannons, they could have some primitive hyperdrives based on bending the will of the Force, just like kyber crystal “bleeding” process. Sure, it would puzzle the general audience, but certainly would’ve been epic to see.
I would love more ancient Star Wars to be covered in near future. So far we have Force-powered starfighters, the protosaber, and unique planet-killing methods. If the new High Republic content have anything to say, it’s that we’d be seeing some cool ancient shit in cinematics. I just hope hyperspace tech is one of them.
Let's not forget the strange force creatures, such as the Purrgil, who can travel through hyperspace, and the Loth Wolves who disappear on one hemisphere, only to reappear on the other. It may be possible, that certain creatures can jump between worlds.
ESPECIALLY those space whales with their “lightspeed tentacles”. The ones in Rebels felt Lovecraftian in design, and just the idea of creatures having mysterious powers in the Force that allows them to bend reality not like humanoids is, in my opinion, incredible to witness.
One of the suggestions I kept seeing within the discussion for The Rise of Skywalker was for the Sith Eternal fleet to amass ancient, living Sith warships similar to the Chittauri from the Marvel comics and the Cybertron warships from the Transformers lore. While not equipped with planet-destroying cannons, they could have some primitive hyperdrives based on bending the will of the Force, just like kyber crystal “bleeding” process. Sure, it would puzzle the general audience, but certainly would’ve been epic to see.
@@Nafeels The Purrgil are the space whales.
It's definitely my opinion that while also alive, the Loth Wolves are force beings almost akin to the Celestials. Only, representative of the primal living force.
I'd love to see a video on Holocrons; they seemed really important whenever there was someone like Luke or Bane trying to rediscover lost knowledge.
I love ancient StarWars galaxy stuff!
I just want to give you props for coming up with so many interesting video ideas for years and so frequently. This is an interesting topic for sure. Thanks!
I'm kind of surprised there was never an era where they had a hyperspace gate similar to what they used in Babylon 5.
He does mention hypergates, but I'm a bit lacking in some SW tech.
the gree and kwa had invented and used hypergates
@@matthew____879 Thanks I must have just missed it
The Gree and Kwa used hypergates however they functioned more like stargates in the Stargate universe. It was instant point-to-point gate travel. I think there is one race that did invent gates that punched holes directly to Hyperspace but I forget their names
How about an episode on food production, manufacturing, etc. Most entities gotta eat, right? Nice work Eck.
They should have tried something like the gravity drive from Event Hori- wait no nevermind.
If you want good FTL you either have the alcubierre drive, or slip space from halo or space bridges from transformers or transwarp from transformers. Teleportation and portals are also fine especially if you want to make a quick get away.
@@michaelandreipalon359 A planet was a cost for it, even though that was a mistake that caused the problem.
*Liberate tutemet ex inferis*
@@jonathanathor117, slipspace from Halo is literally just Hyperspace with a different label
@@TheAchilles26 Ok I guess you right up to a point. However slip space is more like a cut and dry string theory.
This is really informative and imaginative. I play a SW RPG charter that is a mildly force-sensitive hyperlane-mapper. This gives so much more depth to the tech and mystery of hyperlaning!
Love the corgi at the end of all your videos. I look forward to that on all your videos. Got a corgi myself!
I find this detailed nerd stuff fascinating as I am in the process of world building a huge Sci-fi/fantasy novel book series. Book 1 is in the process of being queried for publication right now. But that said; my "world" is an entire multiverse with a focus on a section of the universe ruled fairly well by a giant multi galaxy spanning Space Empire. There book characters story takes place across several galaxies and a number of worlds within this setting. And as you can imagine, filling this universe with realistic life and civilizations takes allot of mental work. But videos on channels like yours really help me to imagine and plan out a more authentic set of galaxies and world within. So thank you Eckhart for your help in this crafting process! 😄
On the topic of hyperspace travel, how did ships communicate while in hyperspace, since it’s technically a parallel dimension? This occurs several times in clone wars and rebels, and is there a solid technological justification or was it more of a plot convenience?
Pretty sure they're using Hyperspace to transmit most messages, anyway. They have real time conversations from half a galaxy away.
Doesn't starwars communication use "sublight"
@@dalentoews3418, did you mean "subspace"? Cuz that's Trek. Sublight means slower than light, so there's no way something enabling real time conversation at interstellar distances is sublight
I think that's just a continuity break. You can transmit through hyperspace to speak in real time (I've always assumed this is by ascribing token mass to a message to then push through and these seem to take significant comms infrastructure), but you should be in a communications blackout when FTL as it's nearly impossible to know where you are vs. another location and send a message to intercept it.
A lot of sci fi has some quantum entanglement based system to have a way to have two points stay in contact no matter what, so I image SW has something like that.
Star Wars has always been about plot convenience, it’s fantasy rather than Sci-Fi. There’s no established “science” in Star Wars that makes any real sense and any explanation is scrubbed when they need a new one for story sake.
Lucas didn’t plan for Vader to be Luke’s father, which is why it took 40 years to explain Obi-Wan’s “Vader betrayed and murdered your father” remark. He had Luke and Leia kissing before he decided they were twins. Palpating was definitely dead until JJ had to come up with something - anything - for the third sequel. The fact is, Star Wars is an unorganized mess.
Been invested in this verse for years and learned something new today, GG :D
The Star Wars setting also has something called the Dimensional Displacement Drive, basically the Star Trek warp drive, but they were less than a tenth the speed of even the slowest hyperdrive, required vastly more power, and were inherently dangerous.
There was also the Tumble Drive, a type of hyperdrive with extremely unstable and inaccurate hyperdrive that's a gamble every time it used. Maybe you arrive, maybe you land in uncharted space, maybe you materialize inside a star.
I'm glad I found this video - it makes me feels that I'm wasting my life a little less.
I've always wanted to see shows/movies about super early era starwars...... But with how Disney has handled the franchise so far I've suppressed most of my hopes for star wars.
I’d rather have those periods unmentioned (but not forgotten) rather than let Disney sink their claws into them.
As long as they keep giving the reins to people like Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau, I think we'll be okay.
Well Disney Star Wars and Star Wars are two separate canons. Disney Star Wars is not part of the same original Star Wars Saga or universe. It's literally fan-fiction with a multi-million dollar budget and no heart.
@@mechwar31 I would like more than just people who are sometimes able to make something passable.
Mando is a massive retard only alive because his helmet and shoulder pads give him invincibility.
Boba is so fucking stupid he fired a rocket point blank into a wall of ray shields surrounding him.
This shit is considered fantastic.
@@cjames9320 I'm obviously talking about star wars under Disney..... as I quite clearly stated.
I love these old history videos.
"Ok I don't know much about this 'hyperspace travel'. How does it work before you send me to another planet?"
"We're gonna put your ship into a big canon and shoot you into another dimension."
I always found Sub-Ether from Outlaw Star to be a limited hyperspace. While great distances could be achieved, each jump didn't last very long and required a long recharge time. The hyperdrive rings from Green Lantern First Flight helped with a lot of travel, but they weren't labeled so you could end up taking a lot of jumps before reaching your destination.
Thanks Eckhart. That was a cool episode!
The two most over-the-top travel capabilities I've ever encountered in sci-fi both come from the third book of Peter Hamilton's 'Night's Dawn' trilogy.
In second place, we have the alien Kiint, who can teleport you directly from the surface of one planet, to the surface of another planet, * in... another... galaxy... * (basically anywhere in the local cluster) instantly, with no apparent technology at either place. But they are a distant second compared to...
The Sleeping God. The only known artifact of an unimaginably advanced alien species, gone now since they 'got bored' with this reality and went somewhere else. The Sleeping God can open wormholes that:
A: Instantly take you to an entirely different galactic supercluster on the far side of the universe.
B: Instantly take you to another time period, millions, billions, even trillions of years away.
C: Instantly take you to another reality.
D: Can be so big entire * solar systems * can pass through them unaffected.
That is a slighty bigger scale than I'm used to.
Yessiree! My great uncle used to shovel antimatter into the boiler of the old time steam hyperdrives. 🤔
Justin: "As we've discussed many times on this channel, traveling through hyperspace--"
Me: Ain't like dusting crops, boy. Sorry... couldn't resist. 😀
Mass shadows… very cool concept
I remember subscribing years ago, seeing the channel and community grow. It's neat. The quality and quantity of the content growing and all of that. Good job👌 keep up the fantastic work, and may the force be with you.
One of my favorite lines from the Star Wars series is when Atton from KOTOR 2 decided that we should run from the Sith, and said, "Let's burn sky until we see lines". It was an awesome description of what we see from the cockpit while jumping and it sounded so badass! I like to drop it in conversations when the group of friends and I out drinking and we decide to head to another bar.
The next step forward in the star wars travel technology is the discovery of ludicrous speed!
I'm glad we still have star wars considering the state of Halo atm. keep up the solid vids mate :)
So Star Wars is essentially Mass Effect if it kept innovating for another couple hundred thousand years into the future… in a galaxy far far away… a long time ago. Wow, Heavy
One thing that you missed mentioning was the _dimensional drive,_ an early FTL technology that enabled FTL travel in realspace by rippling spacetime around a vessel. A lot of the spread of humans throughout the core worlds in ancient times IIRC used sleeper ships with dimensional drive FTL and crews in cryo, for voyages of a decade or more.
(The way this FTL system was stated to work - rippling spacetime ahead and aft of a vessel - makes it pretty much an Alcubierre drive, also known as a ST style warp drive. It's a theoretically possible FTL drive according to real life physics.)
God bless you for your ongoing content - ty man
Another certified hood classic
I loved the recap. It's sad YT only sends only these videos a year later.
I love how the new Zahn novels, have the Chiss using force sensitives called 'Skywalkers' to navigate.
2:30 This part makes me recall the lore on the propagation of Scarlaccs. If I am not mistaken, they launch spores that travel slower than lightspeed to infect other planets.
Hi Eck, just wondering: In the X-wing fan film you promoted a while back, we see the Lusankya and other star destroyers jump to hyperspace from within Coruscant's atmosphere. According to my knowledge this shouldn't be possible, as you need to be at a hyperspace node at the start of a hyperspace lane before you can jump. I'd really appreciate an explanation.
The wookiees have secret hyperspace routes too.
@@michaelandreipalon359 it would have been bad for the republic if the separatists had succeeded in obtaining them.
Love the detailed odd world building.
There is something called a dimensional drive that, from the Wookieepedia page description, sounds very similar to the Star Trek warp drive. That could be the FTL method the sleep ships used that you mentioned.
Darth Bane tried using the force to what?? Hypertravel?? Left me hanging dude hahah definitely requesting that video
love your content! keep em coming!
Somewhere aroudn that early gate technology sits a guy on a golden Throne still waiting for his sons to come home.
Remember that episode of Rebels where Ezra enters The StarGate and almost gets hypnotized by Palpatine? That's another way. doesn't get talked as much. Probably a whole ass system of travel as well.
Sleeper ships reminds me of Star Trek! & the superhumans from the Neogeneic Wars! The sleeper ship was called the Botany Bay! Which was launched before warp drives were invented (give or take a few years)! Interesting parallel between the two!
So, the past of star wars is Stargate? Awesome!
After reading the first book in the High Republic series I found this subject interesting. The truth about how wild and dangerous, the affect on mental health of various beings is part of galactic history.
Do you think that Rakatans being able to travel mostly to places with strong Force signature is an attempt at fixing the scale of Rakatan empire, which wasn't as huge as one would expect in-universe to be?
Aka "yes, they did conquer a lot of planets. With an asterix that it's about planets with strong Force signature"
There's no reason to say relativity doesn't work the same in Star Wars. Relativity is about movement through realspace by normal thrust, so it probably works exactly the same in star wars (their ion drives don't go anywhere near fast enough to experience noticeable relativistic effects). It's just that far future tech has found a way around relativity (including all of its effects on time, etc). This might be possible in the real world for all we know.
Thx for the video!
“Don’t blaze new hyperspace routs”
Me who want to make credits in a undeveloped system.
“How bout I do anywa-(transmission source has need destroyed)
The versatility of SW has always left a positive impression.
Solar sailing, though the term is false for it isn't solar pressure but rather tachyon streams that sails captured, were also used. The normal sail, often moon-size in diameter, caught tachyon streams and accelerated the vessel to a speed necessary to enter the hyperspace free of cost. The ancient Gree, however, deployed sails whose means of propulsion are still unknown and were much smaller, but allowed for even greater results. Count Dooku's Geonosian solar sloop is equipped with such a sail that Dooku bought in Gree Enclave. Arch-Duke, who gifted the vessel, was quite happy to see it, since Geonosians had a long and proud tradition of solar sailing.
I hope that you explore the Star Gate franchise one day. They have OP ship propulsion technology that would make any Jedi council member lust, for instance they have giant star gates that allow whole fleets to transport to a whole new galaxy instantaneously.
one thing that would be interesting, as perhaps the ultimate version of a "carrier" in SW is a modern hyperdrive equipped ship with a version of one of the gate systems, fly the gate where needed and have the other side be on a planet with all your forces
4:10 *Looks at the Noah Unit Cannon and the Planetary Annihilation's Unit Cannon* Those are brilliant.
*Looks at Hyperspace Cannon* But I like this.
In stellaris there is a stellar catapult that is built around stars and can be used to “catapult” a fleet to a general area of the galaxy it’s pretty cool
I’m glad you noted that relatively doesn’t apply to the star wars universe. If it did, by the time Han Solo made a couple trips around the galaxy, thousands of years would have passed on tatooine, and likely Jabba would be long dead. Then again, assuming FASTER than light, weird things happen. You might go back in time, or return to an alternate dimension that is very different yet also similar, or completely unsafe for human life… it’s just not possible without screwing with time. It would be difficult to make deals across galaxies because time is all wacky.
I like the idea of the hyperspace cannon. That could be a awesome premise for a TV show.
I'm thinking Lost in Space, but in the unknown regions or wild space. The cannons are spread out and our heros have a crazy adventure to find each one to get back home. Lucasflim, get on it!
Placing beacons sounds easier than moving moons
Wouldn't it be crazy if they actually showed us stories in these new times in live action movies and shows instead of more prequels and sequels?
I want to know more about how the infinity and hyper gates operated as I use a portal gate system in my sci-fi fantasy world. Sounds like a system that could be much safer and even quicker than hyperspace
Starwars physics is different because it's actually a metaverse inside our universe and the force is its sentient ai
The Hypergates is a similar concept to “Space bridges” in transformers!
B-but it’s so much fun blazing new hyperspace routes especially the fastest and most efficient ones
😂
Some of the pre-Republic lore is crazy.
1:30 reminds me of the Guild Navigators from Dune because they couldn't use computers (because of the jihad against thinking machines) they had to use the navigators who used the spice to 'see' the safe paths, if I understand it correctly. Interesting concept in general.
That warp-gate reminded me of something out of HALO and Disney’s Lightyear
I was aware of the Hypergates the Gree and Kwa invented before the Rakatan Hyperdrive, but hyperspace cannons?! That's a new one. I'm not sure if you've talked about any of these yet, but since you asked for possible topics:
1. A look at the Planet and race of Duro. It might just be me, but they've always fascinated me more than their Nemoidian cousins.
2. A closer look at Xizor and Black Sun, since you mentioned them in the Top 5 crime groups video.
3. Your thoughts on the Old Republic Era.
I love how anything-goes the Star Wars universe is. Like, Star Trek has transporters and warp drive. That's how things work. Star Wars has wormholes, hypersace cannons, sleeper ships, regular old hyperdrive, and really, none, *none* of it has to make sense. Why? Because it's written for fun. Sure, it's chaotic and whimsical, two things I'm bad at, but really that's the charm of Star Wars. It's wonderful. That being said, I'm glad we have both sides of the coin: wild and occasionally off-the-wall stuff like Star Wars and the more researched ideas of more standard Science Fiction. Without both, our world would be boring. With both, maybe more of the whimsy and the science behind it will creep into our reality.
honestly i dont know how mich lore there is but i would like to see a video or short about the hypergates or force gates. and if if know anything about stargate throw in a comparison or differences.
Some of what you said reminded me of Star Trek Voyager episode conspiracy.
There was this device called the
"Graviton catapult that was created to propel a spacecraft across interstellar space.
The power core of the catapult generated a massive graviton surge that locked onto a ship through an array of projectors. The surge sent the ship hurtling into null space for some hours. Upon emerging back to normal space, the vessel had jumped many hundreds or even thousands of light years. The distance was determined by the graviton field strength.
I remember that episode... Yeah, there was also a Voyager novel, called 'Incident at Arbok' which featured a similar idea. They come across an alien species trying to develop a 'warp accelerator' essentially a long hollow tube big enough for ships to fly through. The idea is that a ship passes through the tube, while building up a strong warp field, while the tube builds an equally strong field of the opposite polarity, in theory accelerating the ship to almost transwarp velocities. Unfortunately, the species in question are somewhat scatterbrained and thus all of their engineering, even when it does work, is dangerously unpredictable and accident prone, and the accelerator is totally unworkable. (As a funny aside, the species is also hyper-argumentative, even when things are already in their favor. Neelix calls them 'So *annoying* even the Borg don't bother.')
Great video!
Great video my guy! When do you think we as a species could acquire this technology?!?
I'm glad that they are making some of the KORTO stuff cannon. Now if they'd make Revan cannon.
Eck: talks about ancient Rakatan secrets
Rakatans: throwing side-eye
See what I did there? ghehehehehehe
I especially enjoyed the Chiss Ascendency and the secrecy behind their hyperspace advantage (despite the dubious ethics of it)
Basically all acient of star wars is interesting to me. For this video i'd like to have a deeper dive or at least a visual display of the workings and perhaps different designs of the hyperspace cannons.
The weirder thing about ancient times is that species like Humans already *knew* that not only were there other species in the galaxy, but that many of their own species had been taken to distant systems by ancient powers like the Rakata or the Celestials. This accounts for why you don't see many species-wide space empires in Star Wars. Colonies (settled willingly or unwillingly) often had millennia-old cultures of their own even when they finally regained contact with others of their own species in distant systems. The existence of various iterations of a Republic were because these worlds were not interested in centralized rule until millennia of interaction created some culture commonality.
It's almost like a rebuttal to real-life people who irrationally fret about a "One World Order" that is nowhere near becoming a reality because even within nations most people can't agree on anything.
The best method I found was using the momentum of being in orbit to sling a ship across the galaxy. It might work because space doesn't have friction.
My guess is that the early “sleeper” ships probably used alcubierre drives or some FTL method like that which is much slower than hyperspace.