What's It Like to Live with a Reflashed EcoDiesel Ram 1500? Here's What I Love and Hate!
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Loved my 2016 Ram 1500 Longhorn 4x4 Fully deleted EcoD. Never had a single issue in 100K miles, never saw the inside of a shop for anything but tire rotations. Regular fuel treatment, good synthetic oil, fuel filter changes every 15K. NEVER. MISSED. A. Beat. 34” tires and a 2” lift 3.92 gears averaged 25-27highway and 21ish anywhere else. One of the best trucks I’ve ever owned.
3:50 There have been multiple revisions done to the AEM, the excessive lag was when the engine was cold and I experienced it myself with my wife's EcoDiesel, however there have been additional recalls since then that have involved updated tunes and now it's back to performing as expected and getting great fuel economy. So, if you have the excessive lag with your EcoDiesel and the stock tune please do make sure it has the most recent recall/update applied.
I had it in to the dealer maybe 6 months ago and they flashed the ECU at the time (and did a tone arm replacement soon after as that coincidentally broke on the way home from the ECU flash...) and it made no real improvement. Yesterday I put it back into (emissions compliant) Stage 0.5 tune and it's remarkably improved, especially at tip-in.
False.
I own a 2015 with 135 k on it. Had the truck for 3 months hating the purchase I decided to purchase a Green diesel engineering tune I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT now !!! 18 to 22 in city and 28 to 32 on highways depending on how heavy my foot is, tune has turbo brake. No looking back now. Going on 2 years of ownership and still counting
I had a 2015. Bought it new. Couldn't keep it out of the dealership. It kept coking up the MAP. The stealership couldn't figure it out. I deleted it at 32k miles with the help of GDE off road tune. It performed flawlessly until 310k miles and I got rid of it. It was in EXCELLENT shape. A monster rock star of a truck. At 250k the front axles, ball joints, bearings, and those damn jack shafts were shot and all got replaced. I did it myself. At 300k miles I did the brakes for the SECOND time. Water pumps about every 90k or sooner. The o-rings were checked and cracked every time and leaking just a little. Never took it back to the dealer for any of the recalls and emission trouble they were having. I never got any money for it. I got rid of it because I was towing a little dirty with it and need a heavier truck. The GDE tune got rid of almost all the lag. It was a nice truck. I had 33" tires on it and it routinely got 27mpg. If I remember correctly on of the odometer sets I never touched and for 245k miles it averaged 21.5mpg.
Love my EcoD. Smooth ride, lots of power, and great fuel economy.
The Gen 3 Ecodiesel that came out in 2020 is an amazing and reliable power train. I have one in my Jeep and it's awesome
2 years isn't long enough to say something is reliable.. come back in 6 years after the warranty is up..
We have had ours since 2013. 210k on the clock. Trucks broken more than its running.
My 2014 eco had the engine replaced due to the HPFP dying, under warranty thank God... I recently lucked out getting rid of it.. just as it was starting to have fuel issue again.. got a newer Hemi Ram..never been happier..
@@djmjr77 no but it is long enough to start showing problems. There are plenty of Gen 3 Eco's over 100k miles on the clock
@@djmjr77 the CP4 pumps are problematic with our low cetane diesel fuel in the U.S. However that Eco was a gen 2 and when they launched the Gen 3 over 80% of the engine was redesigned over the Gen 2. It still uses the CP4 pump and we still have crappy diesel however using fuel additives can mitigate those issues. I had a 5.7 Hemi and loved the engine but hated the fuel mileage. Oh and don't think those Hemis weren't designed poorly as well. They love to eat cams and exhaust manifold bolts love to snap off in the head. Do your best to idle that Hemi the least amount possible
Born and raised in Asia (Sri Lanka) I really love turbo diesel, it is very sad USA does not have much turbo diesel options. I really love the long range and superior torque with turbo diesels with Toyota Hilux, Land cruiser 70, Hiace (van) even non Toyota vehicles. Its amazing how much torture we give to those turbo diesels on a tropical country with lot of mud and water crossings. From what I have now, not a fan of the range of my v6 gas 4Runner. One of the reason I absolutely hate Land cruiser 200 here in USA with 5.7v8 + tiny 24gal tank. I had high hopes when Wrangler announced with 3L diesel thinking there would be a trend for turbo diesels. Looks like we are heading more towards city vehicles with EV trend.
As an American I agree wholeheartedly
Problem is fuel cost due to the shipping industry. Diesel is 6.00 a gallon by me, and gas is 3.63 a gallon.. while you can go further, it's not double..
@@rustbeltrobclassic2512 in Asia its the opposite. Diesel is cheaper because its less refined than gas so less cost to make. Most vehicles are Diesel and there are even mechanic places people can convert gas cars to Diesel.
@@LionRunner that's cool, yeah we don't have that in the states, gas is half the cost, and while electric is a neat idea, we don't have the interstate system laid out where it's convenient to own an EV. You still can't cross the country in a non stop drive in an EV. In a gas or diesel vehicle, if you changed drivers you could keep driving constantly, but in an EV you'd need to stop for a day, or two every so often. Which makes me wonder why they focus so much on technology that won't work here and less on things like diesel that does.
@@rustbeltrobclassic2512 it doesnt make any sense, diesel is way easier to make than gas.
The Ecodiesel is a very good vehicle for driving on snow and ice. Towing is good with our 7x16 cargo trailer. My 2016 has 3.92 gears. A little bit better breathing with a Flowmaster 50 series HD muffler and the Bank's silencer delete on the intake. I was contemplating a new truck with 4.56 gears, a 2" lift, and 35" tires.
When the engine is cold, Tow/Haul mode solves any off idle problems.
My wife has a beastly 2018 Ram 2500. I recently took delivery of a heavily optioned Hawk model 4 Wheel popup camper for her truck. And laying out the cash for that kinda hurts my budget to buy a new Ecodiesel right now. I really like the gen 3 engine. I wish my 2020 Dodge Durango had the gen 3 Ecodiesel. I have been considering a Jeep Wrangler or Gladiator. But as a taller person, I need more room. I have a project Jeep ZJ that I don't use very often.
The whole electric thing is kind of foolish. An ecodiesel hybrid would have been smarter. TFL has proven with the Ford Lightning. That electrics are not yet a good enough.
I have 2 Tesla Powerwalls, with 17 solar panels on the roof of my house. I replaced a gas wall heater and an evaporative cooler. With a heat pump a/c system. So I do embrace good newer technology. But electrics are not good enough to replace other drive units. Electrics are okay for some people. But the housing economics of the last 70 years say electrics are a novelty. And will not be practical in most cases.
I have a 2015 JGC Overland Ecodiesel and it is not very fuel efficient (21mpg mixed drive) does mine have a 3.92 gears too? How do I find out? thanks
@Vziera -The axle housing usually has a tag with a code. But if that is not present. Jack up the rear of the vehicle, mark the tires and the drives shaft. Turn both wheels one revolution, and count the times the driveshaft turns.
Technically 2014-2019 is 2nd gen and 2020+ is 3rd Gen. I have a 2015 fully deleted (EGR, SCR, DPF, muffler, resonator) and absolutely love it. Emissions is killing the modern diesel. They've definitely improved it over the last 10 years but still affecting longevitiy of the motors. Contemplating getting into a 3rd Gen while they are still around.
What made the 3rd gen any better though?
I have the gen 5 ran 1500 with the eco diesel gen 3. It incredible. My average pump to pump milage is yet to drop below 27 mpg including towing a trailer with an old Chevy impala on it. About 5.5-6k lbs total, not too bad if you ask me. The maintenance I punishing if you don’t do it yourself (i do), reliability so far I good aide for the 12 inch radio draining battery, replaced with new. So far so good with 17K miles.
If I can't get a reasonable electric truck then I'll change this one for a DT Ram diesel, or perhaps Chevy 1500 diesel. The diesel is great.
The gen 2 ecodiesel in a gen 4 ram crew cab had a max towing rating of about 8,500 lbs. with 3.91 gears. My 2015 crew eco sportsman 3.55 gears has 980 payload and 7800 tow rating. The gen 5 ecos with 3.91 gears had over 12,000 tow rating If properly configured.
That’s crazy considering my hemi etorque has the same tow rating lol
I guess I got that number wrong, sorry. We don't tow anything near even 8000# so I'm not too concerned about hitting the limit. My door sticker says payload is 908 lbs, which is crazy low. I think I have 3.55 gears in mine.
My 2015 with 3.91 gears and a quad cab is rated at 11k from factory...
I have a 2015 JGC Overland Ecodiesel and it is not very fuel efficient (21mpg mixed drive) does mine have a 3.92 gears too? How do I find out? thanks
I am already on my second ram 1500 Eco diesel. The first one was 2015 [I was the first owner] and I put 130,000 miles on it with virtually no problems. Actually zero problems.
My second one [current one] it’s a 2022 gen 3 eco-diesel and it is a dream car. Already 20,000 miles on it with zero problems.
The ram 1500 eco- diesel is a dream car. Very very sad to hear that they are not making them anymore as I don’t understand why. Must be hassles with the EPA compliance.
My wife has a 2021 Tahoe 3.0 Duramax diesel. I will tell you one secret. The ram is a Smoter suspension, nicer drive and somehow feels like a better engine. I know because I drive and maintain them both. I like the Tahoe Duramax as well, but somehow the Ram diesel is a smoother ride and also smoother engine.
But the Duramax is also a good engine and now seems to be the only one left if you want a diesel.
I would have really wanted to see a jeep wagoner or grand wagoner diesel. But looks like that’s not gonna happen anymore.
Stelantis, if you’re reading this, you must have had your reason to drop the eco-diesel, but it was such a good engine and smooth ride.
30 to sometimes even 33 mpg..(the way I drive)!!!
Did a green diesel tune on my dodge sprinter and its the best I have done to it with no more egr problems still passes emissiions in the state I live in
Still rocking my 2015 ECO @ 220,000. Running like a top with a lot of love invested.
Is it stock? Any deletes?
Define "love" because I got 340k from a V6 Toyota and beat the piss out of it daily, and only did oil changes every 3k, plugs every 100k, water pumps every 100k, and exhaust manifold gaskets, once..
If RAM would make a long term investment and put a diesel in that’s one thing but just having this a few years and updating makes me feel like I’m not missing anything . The 5.7 or the 3.6 V6 options will both last longer than the truck. You can’t go wrong with that.
It’s actually the 2nd Gen Andre. The 1st Gen was essentially a prototype for Cadillac that never actually went into production.
you do know dodge had the 3 liter diesel out when they were partnered with Mercedes in 2007 so I dont know where you got the Caddy relationship...and they copied the Merc for their design...
@@lutomson3496 You're actually wrong. The EcoDiesel comes from VM Motori, not Mercedes Benz. The 1st generation was to go into a European Cadillac but GM's 2009 bankruptcy cut it short. GM used to have a 50% stake in VM Motori.
Love my stock 2014 with 140k of mostly reliable ownership. Having a single axle travel trailer this truck was a superior choice, no regrets. Just fell out of warranty. Plan on a delete. Satisfied with 3.0 power.
Emissions are the killer! I have a 16 limited use Amsoil signature series and use a bypass filter by Amsoil. So far so good! I do the the oil analysis and it’s perfect still
My 2014 Eco has 230k with no engine problems. I have had it since 2018 84k miles when I bought it.
I love the longer beds on these trucks.
To my eye they look better than the 5' beds, but there's a noticeable difference in parking lot maneuverability.
I love my ecodiesel. Fast as hell. Put a tune on it and it’s the best value for dollar
I had a 2017 ram ecodiesel and tuned it because of the tip in was so bad the tuned helped and was a fun truck after that.
I just put it back into stage 0.5 and it makes a remarkable difference.
Does it have a timing belt or a chain?
I think chain not 100 on that
I think chain not 100 on that
Yeah can y'all hire this Toby(i) guy because dude's voice is so smooth lol
I'm available for voiceovers, LOL!
Talk to a Ram dealer service tech about the Ecodiesels. Lots of problems.
Yeah I work on these and bunch of engine issues with crank rod bearings, fuel system, egr cooler leaking, holes in intake. Etc. When these 3.0l fail they are expensive to fix.
Not the Gen 3's that came out in 2020
I personally think a lot of people that bought these have never owned a diesel and treat them like a gasser. Diesels need warmed up and fresh clean diesel. Running around town not getting up to temp and never letting a full regen happen is probably most of it.
@@MattSmith-vl8zp thats exactly it. Early Gen 2 Ecodiesels did have crank and cam gear issues, but those were largely resolved by 2015. Ecodiesels last for a long while when properly maintained and are largely trouble-free.
@@MattSmith-vl8zp I have those gauges to show me when it's regenning the DPF. The truck's manual says the dash is supposed to have some indicator come up when it's regenning but I've never seen it. For whatever reason the regen invariably starts whenever I'm about a mile from home so I need to either idle it a bit when I get home or do a lap. I could see how some people just aren't even aware of the regen and run into problems.
I think I would stick with the Diesel and leave the electric to the wall sockets. lol
Absolutely love my Eco in my Jeep Rubicon. Sad to see it go. The MPG and power...and off road are Absolutely Awesome.
A buddy had the EcoDiesel in a Grand Cherokee and it was a nightmare -- in the dealer probably 10 times with engine problems. In the end it was something pretty simply to fix with the replacement of one item, but it took the dealer an eternity to get there. I guess if you get a good one, it's good.
@@TobyDallas Jeep has the Gen 3. 80% redesign from other generations.
@@cleveland53015 his was a mid-10's model, so would that have been the Fiat diesel instead of the VM Motori diesel I have, I think.
I love my 2022 Jeep Wrangler with the ecodiesel. I love it. I guess I may have to keep it forever. I had one gas vehicle. Did not like it. Well I guess I will have to keep the old 5.9 Cummins around forever too. As I drive a lot of miles. Even in winter I still love the diesel
I wish I could get one of these I love the range on my BMW 328d. I usually get between 425-586 miles on 12-14 gallons. The one Ram dealer in town marks up their vehicles at least $6,000
I see about 600 miles range on a full tank, I hear the DT generation you can get ~1,000 miles with the larger fuel tank. That's pretty awesome.
Got 650 000 km with my first engine towing about 10 000 pounds daily and wasn't one for regular maintenance lol great engine to bad for the the end of the best ram
Hate the one we use. 210k on the clock, 2013. Things constantly broken. Have seen other locals with them lose the engine, one has caught fire twice. local dealer had replaced 7 engines last year, and I don't live in a densely populated area. Gets great mileage when it works.
They didn't start putting this engine in the trucks until 2014. You must have a prototype.....
@@jonnantau9354 Fat fingered for 14 but yes. Thanks for the laugh this morning
Very clean for 7 year old truck
Thanks, but the camera was pretty kind in this one!
The current EcoDiesel still has a throttle delay at tip in. They haven't found a way to adequately meet emissions standards without the ETC cutting power.
Bummer. Have you tried the Chevy in comparison?
Used a Sprint device and no lag now on my 21 Limited eco diesel…..works great
I love mine at 247568 on my 2015
Nice!
proud ex-owner of a 2014 ecodiesel.. yes great gas mileage, but thats about it.. fixing anything on that engine is 2-5k... nightmare..
I'm nervously waiting... The tone ring sensor (?) failed on the way home from an ECU update earlier this year but thankfully it was covered under some kind of factory extended warranty. They had to drop the transmission for that one. $$$.
I have a 2022 Ram 1500 3rd gen ecodiesel and it has the same issues with the tune on it. Sluggish and powerless for several seconds until it spools up, its even worst if you have to hit the brakes to slow down for a turning vehicle then go to speed up it takes forever to accelerate again.
I had the same issue with my 2019 ford ranger till installed a 9drive pedal assist , really helps with the lag
Yeah, the lag is terrible, especially if you lose momentum. A couple of neighbors here have steep driveways -- I'll have to come to basically a stop to turn into them, and then getting the truck to even move uphill is a drag unless you floor it -- and then better watch out for fireworks!
The tone wheel goes out than it's 3k to fix at the shop plus the intake is bad for busting
My 2016 Laramie is at 113,000 and looks and works GREAT! I cannot believe how quiet and how strong it pulls. The detunes did affect they way you drive after that action. But once you adjust your driving to match the truck…all is good.
What tune do you have? Please share! I know it’s controversial subject among different tunners…
It comes from MRTuning. I have the Stage 0.5 -- meaning, it's a bit less than true Stage 1, and is emissions compliant.
The Ecodiesel will continue on in the Jeep Gladiator. Jeep isn't dropping it.
Ecodiesels are dead because they make no sense when the price of diesel is $1.3 more, per gallon, than regular gas.
I get 23 mpg in my eco diesel average over the last 24k miles. This is equal to 15 mpg regular gas in terms of cents per mile! Any regular gas truck with 15 or higher mpgs is cheaper to run! Even the big V8 gas is cheaper to run than this V6 diesel 3.0
Fair point
For now yes...at some point soon the price will be close to regular gas again.
That's why I traded mine in the platform just doesn't make sense pay for diesel, DEF and expensive oil changes in exchange for what? Gutless towing, not being able to pass on the freeway? I'm glad it gone
@@KennethLondon-ft9gw I do all my own oil changes. Like 80 bucks with filter
@@MattSmith-vl8zp, I do too! But still you have to replace the fuel filter every second oil change and then you have the DEF cost, on top of the extra $1.3 per gallon of fuel. And OEM fuel and oil filters are ridiculously expensive for no reason for the Ecodiesel. She’ll Rotella ain’t cheap either. And all that for what? Towing performance isn’t that much better if any at all
I would really like those trucks if the engine wasn't terrible. I just replaced 1 in a 18 with 38k.
I hear if you get a bad EcoDiesel you'll know it pretty early.
Loved my 15 til it spun bearings and is now a driveway paperweight. Oil analysis every 9k oil changes, then out of nowhere side of the road. Fiat is not releasing motors til January 23' what multiple dealers told me. Thanks Ram
Yeah I'm a tad nervous, and with the air suspension starting to get finicky I might trade out. A suspension delete / change to coils would be cheaper, though.
Why do you always have to put your hands on the paint??
Rather have a 5.7 Hemi for reliability
Haha. The 5.7l Hemi has plenty of issues like the lifters eating cams
@@TheRamGuy yeah I have the 09 Hemi. 350,000kms haven't had any motor related issues. Beat it up everyday, don't idle it and change the oil every 5k. Love it
My 2010 5.7 best truck I've owned, much more reliable then the fords ive had especially the EcoBoost 3.5.
@@TheRamGuy My 5.7 HEMI is at 225k miles on the original camshafts. I change oil every 5k with 5w30, add a ZDDP additive, and rarely idle it. Though I have idled it for 30+ minutes on several occasions waiting on people for Facebook Marketplace sales.
No 0-60mph? Come on Toby!
My '15 ED 0-60 about 1 light year
@@chrisheffner3024 😂 just curious compared to factory specs when someone claims a performance/tune improvement where is the pudding?? High 7/Low 8 seconds in a lot of magazine/TH-cam testing
@@GarcBomber Seriously the initial turbo lag off the line was borderline unsafe. Part of the reason I got rid of mine. my wife’s Hyundai Tucson felt like a jet.
I have a 2018 eco diesel. I have had way too many close calls driving around here in the Phoenix Metro area. The truck can’t even get out of its own way! But, with the proper maintenance being done, she is still chugging along with 81k on the odometer
@@chrisheffner3024 a good way to describe it. It scared me / I scared myself a few times when I first got it before I got used to the terrible initial acceleration. Our neighborhood comes out at a t-intersection onto a local highway with lots of traffic doing ~70, and crossing it can give a pucker moment if you don't goose the accelerator a bit first.
“120k is starting to get up there”
Me with an 01 f150 at 200K+ 😐
Ecohater here terrible platform horrible power seems to like to throw rods and have bearing failures
It's a FIAT fix it again Tony diesel.... too bad it wasn't a cummins. A cummins straight 6 would have been the bomb
Should film more in that location what a backdrop
TFL does a few video right there.
Baby Duramax is absolutely superior.
Those transmissions tho!👎
@@fireant1272 I haven't heard the 10-GM version is nearly as bad as the problems Ford's 10-speed has been.
As for me my six-speed bullet proof Tundra is all I need.
@@SuperSnakePlissken yeah I'm sure the fords are terrible! I like the zf8 in the Ram bullet proof.
@@fireant1272 I would not say that they are terrible but from what I've gathered their version of it hasn't been as reliable. What is so interesting is they developed the same transmission, and then Ford took it and tweeked it making it worse. They should have stuck with the original design that they worked with GM to make.
Andre told me the same thing. I haven't driven one but will check it out when this truck's time comes.
Who made this engine.why they dont use Cummings engine.
Vm motori builds the engine. I’m sure they were chosen for price, packaging, performance reasons. I believe fiat has a stake in the company as well, which is prob a huge reason.
There very eco minded because they never run but when they do its good until they breakdown which happens alot
Relatively high mileage is 119k?
They were not known to be very reliable.
@@PlayWaves1 yeah I had heard about the emissions issues about the eco diesel I'm just wondering how Andre thinks 119k is relatively high mileage.
@@PlayWaves1 turbo diesels?? 😲 I thought "They were not known to be very reliable." is valid only for the dodge gas versions with the fancy fuel management system?
Yeah this is really high mileage for that gen engine. Surprised it hasn't spun a bearing yet.
@@caseyhill3915 damn i didn't know that
I drove a brand new ram 1500 with the ecodiesel and 3.92 gears early this year. I was not impressed. The thing drive like shit. Like he said it's nothing then everything. Very bad drive ability. This was a brand new truck too. I was literally the first customer to drive it.
This is the only one I have driven but I've heard it's typical. Not impressive, and why should you have to throw a tune kit on a brand new truck, right? That said, with the tune kit this truck becomes sweet to drive.
@@TobyDallas I totally agree. The fuel economy would be great but I'm the kind of guy that would drive stock until warranty is done. The stock ecodiesel would be unbearable for 60k miles. I have seen reviews of some tunes that really bring the truck around but it's just another hassle.
@@kuhndog-1196 have you tried the Silverado?
@@TobyDallas no. I'm a dang fan boy for dodge lol. I'm honestly just not a fan of the ford's and chevys.
Fully delete it and the truck is much more reliable
Pedal monster would help mediate the throttle top in. EPA fascists committed to hamstringing US energy and Diesel engines in particular. They’re coercing Americans to accept unproven EVs.
The air suspension will fail again 100%
I had a 2018. Its engine blew up at 109k kilometres. 9k over the warranty and therefore Dodge would not do anything for me. I am on the hook for all of it. They will give me 10k for a trade in. Eco Diesels blowing at 100k is a known problem. DO NOT BUY A DODGE anything. They do not help you out when it is their shitty problem. Class action time.
This guy was a waste of time to interview honestly. “Yeah I’ve had this truck for a year, barely used it, haven’t used it as a truck, don’t really know anything about em”
Diesels are made to be work horses not daily drivers of 20 miles/ short trips or in the city. If you drive a diesel less than 30 miles non stop your destroying the motors. People buy them for the mpg with no clue at all.
168000 kilometres… BOOM mine blew up. Not worth the money
It's a fiat Fix It Again Tony engine that's the problem!
What is his accent?
New Zealand
Yup. A quarter century base layer of New Zealand with another quarter century of USA, mostly New York area.
Tell that to get electric helicopters!
Second
Mine was a 16 birned to the ground i had it 3 months. Ill never buy ram again ill stick to my GMC.