VRS DIrect Force Pro wheelbase | Regular Sim Racer thoughts
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- For more information about the wheelbase, please check the oifficial VRS website below -virtualracings...
My VRS unit sent to me to test by Mydas Simulation -
www.mydassimul...
Check out the awesome review by the Sim Racing Garage -
• VRS DirectForce Pro DD...
Want some awesome Fanatec gear?
fanatec.com/?u...
Want to start iRacing? If so then you can use the link below to sign up :D
www.iracing.co...
Buy me a beer :)
streamlabs.com...
Be a channel member!
/ @davecamyt
Become a Patreon!
www.patreon.co...
Some of my gear that i'd recommend -
Shifter - amzn.to/3aTV9cG
Sub Counter - amzn.to/2vjQT6Z
Lighting - amzn.to/2Qfm6iZ
Audio Interface - amzn.to/2EtQ53J
Main Camera - amzn.to/39ycgkP
Join the Facebook Group
/ 513246586071107
Join my Discord
/ discord
Follow me on Twitter @Davey_Cam
Follow me on Instagram - Davey_CamYT
Twitch (rarely)
/ davecam
For someone with limited experience with a wide range of hardware, this was exactly the right approach to doing a review. Well done Dave :)
I’ve got mine sitting on the floor next to my rig...
Just waiting for my Cube Controls GT Pro wheel to arrive 😊
It’s harder than waiting for your first child to be born 🤣
I have had mine a while now and it’s fantastic. Love the strength and detail. I’m sure most top end dd’s are similar but I really like the VRS personally.
Great video Dave. I completely agree with your review.
I've noticed that I'm catching a lot more slides with the DFP for 2 reasons:
1.) I can feel when the slide actually starts (when the back and first begins to step out)
2.) The DFP is SO FAST. Lap-saving adjustments can be made lightning quick.
Coming from a T300RS, any direct-drive wheel base will be a near infinite step up. But I just can't get over how much better it is to drive with my DFP. I'm really loving it!
Great review @davecam, always enjoyed your videos, keep it up good work 💪
I switched from sc2 pro to vrs and I do not regret, I saved 500 euros for ascher steering wheel, I do not see any difference in feelings between sc2 and vrs
Are you still happy overall with the switch? Do you have the VRS pedals by any chance?
@@Dylan_Miller yes im mega happy cannot be happier, great hardware, and yes i own vrs pedals just moved from ultimates +, vrs pedals are so smoooth
Hello mate Do you still in vrs and How it Feels After the new Software With Filters i hope you Cann answar becuse i will pick up a new dd coming From t300 Thank Mate
"I don't know if they are really weak..." Dave doin a humble brag. ;)
The FFB strength also has a lot to do with the in-game settings. For iRacing, you can set at what telemetry output it hits 20Nm. So if it's set at, say 60Nm, it'll scale so that when the telemetry hits 60Nm, the wheel is putting out 20Nm. I have a Simucube 1 which is basically the same thing as the VRS with the small mige. I keep it at 100% and use in-game settings to get the feel where I want it.
Awesome review Dave! I’ve recorded my unboxing of this product and will be uploading it shortly for anyone that’s interested! With regards to opinions on the wheel, agree in all areas with Dave.
YAAAAY. I've been waiting for this. I'm on the waiting list right now 😴 you covered everything I wanted to know. I really hope I'm able to get one. Thank you for this Dave 👍🏎️🏆
Yo WILL get one. It's just a waiting game because of stock. But I can tell you this, the wait is worth it.
Thanks Dave! After watching SRG's and Boosted Media's reviews, you've helped confirm my decision to upgrade from my Accuforce Pro V1
I can highly recommend Mydas - I bought my HE pedals & Simlabs rig from them. Brilliant customer service.
Yeh 100% agree 👍 really good service and when I first set up my rig matt come round and turned it and its been spot on.
Great guys 👍
I bought a Simucube 2 pro thinking I needed the 25Nm. However, I find that I generally have mine set to about 5Nm. I guess that the strength of a guy who spends a lot of time picking up packets of crisps and nothing heavier. Note I have transitioned from a 15-year-old G25 in recent weeks so 5Nm is a big upshift.
An excellent review! I’ve been waiting for your take on it. Thank you!
I love my one. Proper amazing. I love how simple but effective the software is.
Hey, how much you wait for it? I'm on waiting since 1 month. Thank you! :D
@@Dejota95 I think from when I placed my reservation to when I could actually buy it was 4 or 5 weeks. Once payed I had it in my hands within two days.
@@raziel2710 Nice thanks!
I think I'll most likely go with this wheel to get back into sim racing. After originally being excited about the Fanatec CSL DD for 350$ + a power supply. I don't think the 350$ wheel itself has ever been in stock. If you buy the wheel and power supply together for 500$ it used to be (150$ for a power supply lol). Now the only option in stock is 600$ for the Grand Turismo edition, the same wheel which also works on playstation.
600$ for a 350$ wheel which claims 8nM. With as sketchy as Fanatec has become, it probably is more like 7nM PEAK for a microsecond. You can bet Fanatec would have mentioned the word "continuous" several times in big bold letters. I could be wrong but I'd guess in reality it's probably more like 3nM continuous at operating temp
good morning Dave from Australia
Good morning to you 😁
good evening dave from germany
@@hightower7754 Good evening 😁
I am on the waiting list at Mydas for your setup, so impressive and Matt at Mydas has been very supportive. Thank you for the guidance; helpful as always.
I’m on the waiting list. Already have the hub side kit for my Fanatec wheels waiting. On another note I had my 1st + irating race today since I came back in April. It was only a +1 but at least I’m moving forward again.
Where do you get your hub kit for the fanatec rims?
Got mine a week ago, Reinforcing my Rig this week, waiting for an SRC GT-1 Pro steering wheel to arrive end of Sept. Oct will be a sim racer reboot. Great channel Dave, keep it up.
I like the idea of a 5yr warranty. Thats incredible
Looks like the same as my wheel jumping around with the AFV2 cloud tuning is great . I just bought it it’s plug and play now loads up a tuned profile for you it’s amazing easier to set up then my other first wheel Logitech G29.
For what it's worth, this is the kind of "review" I personally want to see. A guy tells you what his background is and his opinion of how the product performs. The end.
If you haven't used the product, it's not a review.
If you're disassembling the product, you've lost my interest. Some people like that stuff, but some don't.
I'm exactly the same Jeff. Thanks for that 👍
Yes!
Dave thank you for your honest review. This is what we are looking for from Barry. A little comparison to another DD system.
Dave ya sold me here I got on the wait list and a month later its on its way arriving next week......Ive been doing tweaks on my rig as it is....In a Oval track guy 99% of the time but like watching what you do on road courses!
I'm moving out of the Funnytec World to HE Sprints and SQ Shifter.....I'm invert mounting the Sprints as we speak. for the wheel I had a OMP style Wheel i was going to use on my Clubpsport Pro but never did but have ordered a RS3 Button Pod from TURN Racing and using a NRG D style quick disconnect for 70MM....should be totally set up by the start of the 2021 first season!
Thanks Dave! Been waiting a while for your thoughts. Looking forward to watching later... :)
Great review Dave! Always look forward to your uploads
Morning from durham :-) got my sprint pedals from mydas, great fella to deal with excellent communication
Hello from just up the road in Penshaw 👍
Bought one of these, absolutly great.
Absolutely love mine as well! Also that Motamec rim is fabulous. A bit thicker at the grip area which makes the heavy forces less straining for the fingers compared to other rims.
Subscribed because the wheel pulled your shoulder at 16:40! :D
These are the type of reviews I like. Don’t get me wrong I like the SRG’s reviews but it’s nice to get away from the technical and get a down to earth sim racers opinion. I still have a few months still to save the $ and make a final decision between the VRS and the SC2 sport but I think I won’t go wrong with either one. Cheers Dave, great review👍
If only I had the money, I'd be sold! Nice review Dave.
Got my on order just now from Mydas 😊😊
Solid review Dave, thanks, Barry Rowland better look over his left shoulder! Next review simshaker jetpad from andre’s shop, will be a great addition to your rig
Great vid. Got mine recently and shaking it down
Love the content as always. Im sure it has been mentioned but I would really love to see you in a Porsche Cup car in ACC. I joined a race for the first time a week or so ago and loved it!
Thanks Dave! Nice to hear your opinion on this base.. Saw de Barry video also, but you at 100% is much much more fun.. 😂
Great review mate, once my office conversion is done, I'll be ordering one from Matt at Mydas. He's a top bloke so if you're considering getting one then go for it!
Awesome review. Loving the wheel too!
Thanks Dave. Love the t-shirt!!!!
Good review, appreciate it Dave
I'm considering getting back into sim racing and have been looking at upgrading my gear. This is just one more wheel that I have to research now. Thanks...... Ha
enjoyed your video!
Well done Dave nice review. I have the simcube 2 pro and my ffb I run at 100% and use the sim to control the strength of it . I find it much more informative that way . Give it a go see what you think . I don't use the Auto ffb in iracing with it this way .
Yes I'll give it a go 👍
Software looks very similar to the Simplicity SW20-V3 I wonder if they share the same electronic hardware and software is made to look slightly different. Great vid Dave.
Great review Dave...so,so tempted to get one of these!!
great review, you made my decision, cam fam community league, im coming in hot! haha. i really am looking forward to their pedal set, for the price of the wheel base, im hoping their pedal set they are developing is on par with the sprints. if their price point is a little less as well. ill be sold. IM ON LIST, i have about 80% of the blue tracking bar left, hopefully it will be soon. I have my 49 inch ultrawide showing up next wednesday as well as my new track racer tr8 rig.
Hi Dave, was wondering what wheel and button box is that you’re using? Does it connect via usb? If so are you able to map the buttons and use them with the VRS? I’m coming from a Accuforce V1, second batch lol and was looking for something that would be a noticeable upgrade without breaking the bank. Thanks in advance for any answers to these questions.
Decisions decisions... Got the email yesterday from VRS saying I can order. Coincidentally, the Simucube I've had on order for months should be shipping any day. I'd like to try both, but probably not worth throwing money away for the privilege.
i think the SC2
Hello Dave. With this VRS
Did you mount the motor with cable plugs on top...or did you rotate the motor to get cables on side or bottom?
Also where do you download the base software? I don’t see anything on there website.
Ty for all your info...I bought this base cuz of your vid.
I'm perplexed by if I need a spacer with my VRS, and if I do, what recommendations regarding make, model, size, etc. For context, I have a SimLabs PX1 with a standalone single monitor mount, the MIGE front style wheel deck, and a 49" Samsung UW. I kinda think that I do need a spacer but I'm unsure if a 3"+ (70-100mm) is overkill or not. Perhaps the rule of thumb, better to have extra than not enough, I'm guessing...
Also, does it tell you how many Nm 47% actually is? I've read that most people use around 8-10 Nm.
Can't help with the spacers but 47% is just under half the power of the unit so roughly 8nm. I personally use 50% in the VRS software and adjust in game per car.
For long time investment when I build my proper solid rig I want the hulkinfeild pedals , and the bet possiable wheel base to get as close to the real thing as possiable
Would you all recommend trying before buying? And I assume my gt omega "rig" probably wouldn't hold the weight of a dd
Do you auto configure the ffb through iRacing when you change cars or tracks? I’ve noticed that if you do there is a huge difference between light open wheel cars and heavier GT cars. This makes a big difference for me with a CSW 2.5 - some cars and tracks auto configure to 9 or 10 and others auto to 20.
Wondering if it’s the same for the direct drive equipment too.
Yes all different 👍
Dave, irffb has transformed the force feedback settings for me in iRacing
Same for me, the native ffb feels dead to me
Yup irffb works well for me on my g29
Yeah I used it on a couple of wheels I've had. Great piece of software 👍
@@davecamyt I'm using on a DD2 and irffb has improved the feel
I'm on the VRS reservation list for one
Evening Dave - How does it feel on RaceRoom and ACC ? Does it feel better in 1 game to another in comparison to Iracing ?
hi mate where do you get your aluminium profile from i live in the uk manchester let me know thanks
Got it from a guy called Si Turnbull who sells sim rigs on the UK sim hardware buy and sell group on FB. Nice guy too 👍
It's dearer with this company!
Great video as always, Dave. Thanks for this. I do have a question, did you go from an AccuForce v1 or v2? Thanks!
I went from a V1 although from what I've read the only changes between V1 & V2 were cosmetic
@@davecamyt ah, i see. I actually just got the V2 and am loving it. My 1st DD wheel, so nothing to compare to. Thanks for the reply, keep your vids coming, always entertaining.
Hi Dave, any idea what wheels work with this? is there an adapter for other brands?
Most wheels (apart from Fanatec) accept a 70mm qr. So you can pretty much buy what you want and volt it on 👍
Hey brother. Wondering what your settings for your Accuforce are. I just got mine and still trying to find that sweet spot. Appreciate it.
Soo cool 😎
@dave were you using the v1 or v2 accuforce? Because before crapping all over it you might wanna state which one u were using. Im pretty sure you wee using the v1. And if that is the case if I didnt know better id be staying away from accuforce after watching this. But I own a v2 and its great. Ive also used a dd2. The v2 is by far better than the dd2. I cant talk for the vrs one though.
V1 & V2 were pretty much the same. Only cosmetic changes and the V2 even lost the usb hub that the V1 had along with some other features.
This is just my opinion btw. I'm not crapping on the Accuforce, just saying that in my opinion this is way better 👍
ok so i want to purchase this, does that wheel come with it?.
Great review. Im lucky enough to have one of these DirectForce Wheels for 6 weeks now, so far really pleased with it.
The only thing is that my base is a little noisy when under load and heavy effects (58% Vrs Software, 81% AC)
I couldnt hear any sound coming from your motor, or is the game sound too loud?
What is your smoothing setting at? You'd find it's a bit noisy at 0 smoothing since you're getting the raw signal. If you're at 1 already maybe try 2? VRS is also working on the firmware and one of the fixes in the next official release is to make it a bit quieter under low/no load.
Keegan Leahy i currently use the smoothing setting on 1, as well as the dampening.
I already tried smoothing on 2, but the feeling the wheel provides does not fit me.
Its not like the noise is disturbing me, since im using headphones. Just being curios
i dont even use 20% of the torque on my sc2 . i focus on more detail and responsiveness
Am I right in thinking the fanatec direct drive bases are more pricey? Wonder if they’re better or they just charge a premium because of the brand
Yes more expensive for the fanatec. They are dressed up better and look much nicer, but I guess they'd feel similar.
Is that a flight sim throttle on the left side? Is your HOTAS permanently mounted?
Yes I've been experimenting 😁
Hello Dave
What wheel rim are you running?
Cube...model
Also you on wireless rim or USB?
Is this wheel base compatible with Fanatic quick release rims?
Ty for your information 👍🏻👍🏻
I was using the Formula Pro and GT3 Lite, both wired. I'm sure you could buy a Fanatec damper but you would have to use the wired one also 👍
@@davecamyt
Ty for the reply
What is a dampener?
The Cube rim is bolt on I assume?
Dave, I missed what pedal set you have, and wheel and adapter. Could you leave links for that stuff too, please? Thanks.
Hes got the Heusinkveld Ultimate's for pedals....his wheel on this is the Cube Controls GT USB Wheel and QR Release set, the Wheel Adapter is the add on from VRS as is the Mount
did you disable iracing ffb and enable foundation feedback in simcommander when using the AF?,makes a huge difference to the detail.
Yeah tried that, but I thought it felt weird
@@davecamyt very strange dave,for me it just brings everything alive,iracings own ffb felt numb,with it turned off and foundation on it just came alive.
Hi Dave,
So do you think it gives you a negative outcome because of its accuracy to detail. What i mean is that someone using a csw or a G series for example that cannot replicate the road textures in relation to movement of the wheel. Belt driven over a DD. the case i making is that you are more likely to adjust your speed and brake inputs if you are bouncing around on a track such as Serbring, a belt driven from the lower end will not feel them and be a little smoother and possibly faster.
I've migrated from logitec g29 to simucube 2 ultimate, and after 2-3 hours of driving i was able to improve my laptimes just a bit, 10s of a second. The advantage is that you have more control over the car, it gives you all the details and you can push the car more on the limits, also easier to catch slides etc
I just moved to dd1 and What I noticed is if the ffb is too strong then I am figting to turn and ending up not turning enough. And on big curbs like last chickane on lemans, I struggle because it bounces a lot. So I found that it is better to lower ffb for a level where I can easly do 3h of racing, get more detail and at the end it turns to be faster
Not sure Chris. I see your point, but you could also argue that the car would be unsettled by something you can't feel is there.
@@davecamyt I can see both sides and personally using a CSW 2.5, sometimes when it goes it goes and there is no stopping it. I was on pole last night and lost it just on a curb and sat there in last. Now, maybe if i had a DD base i could have felt the rear left (curb side ) losing traction and countered before it even affected the balance and started its rotation.
@Boban Pavloski, i have a Fanatec DD1 and I totally agree with your findings. The quick response also plays a major role here.
Like the t-shirt! Do they do an R0.01 version?
😂
Watch all your videos great stuff man keep it up off-topic question is there a way to adjust the brakes on the Mazda 5 cup series cars so they don’t max out and skid, I know it can be done by going in to the computer on other cars and adjusting some file in there I think 7780% is the best but on the Mazda it may not even need that much thanks if you could help I’d appreciate it I tried everything and I can’t seem to figure it out I found the file opened it but it’s just a print out of all the different set ups no active cells to change numbers on thanks Joe RUFFNER PS i’m a beginner and with your help just got my D license just the way you said to do it yeah baby
With the Mazda less is definately more. You never want to brake any more than around 80% and keep out of the abs. Check out Dan Suzuki on TH-cam, he did a great simple video about how to limit your braking force 👍
EDIT: Guess I should have watched the video in its entirety before asking what rim you were using! LOL!
How do you like the cube-control rim?
I'm wondering how realistic this force feed back really is. For example in real WRC car the power steering is so strong that you get no feedback from tyres. That's why drivers are really struggling if the power steering is not working. But I think pretty much all the rally games there are and you are driving WRC car you get feedback to your wheel. Of course on cars with no power steering it's another story.
all i ever see this dd testing is iracing can someone do acc or rf2
i see lag/delay from your wheel in real life and the one in the screen....is this input lag?
Yes it is. The monitor is around 6ms I think. In real time it's not noticeable 👍
How does this compare to some of the latest offerings from asetek?
It's been a while since I've used this base but the Simucube is better than the VRS and I like the Asetek better than the Simucube. That's as close as I can get 😁
@@davecamyt is vrs better than the moza r21 v2 ?
Thumb Up for the shirt ;)
so is this a "Media Loaner"?....... was it me or the camera setting but it looked like it was shaking your rig a bit as well!
Yes it was. I've never noticed until I watched it back!
No, not a media loaner at all.
What wheel is that? Cube Controls I assume - which one?
Yes that's the Cube GT1 Lite 👍
i have accuforce and i have always issues !if i have chance i will try this one
Where do i get the shirt??
Someone (Fanatec) send this man a DD1 to test and review!
The DD1 is very disappointing not to mention the software has many issues. Send him a Simucube wheel base!
Dave, watch that shoulder yah big goose ;)
If I'm not wrong software is way behind fanatec and sc2
I've not tried either so I've literally no clue. It's VRS, so I'm guessing it'll be up there though even if it's simplified for the user.
Dave Cam i was reading about it when they announced and some guys said that software is old and it's better to take old simucube for less money because software is let's say equal. Come and try my sc2 pro😜😜😜
Forrest Gump newer soft does not always mean better, more zippers only complicate life
Is that a Trigeminal Neuralgia ribbon on the tattoo on your arm?
I'm nothing to do with Accuforce, but I think you do them a bit of a disservice not pointing out you had the V1 not the V2 - Barry from SRG was a lot happier with the FF from the V2. The V1 is over 5 years old now.
There wasn't really any changes in the V2. Mainly cosmetic 👍
More great content Dave - so are you going to buy one of these?
I doubt this will be going back 😁
@@davecamyt Good man! Kepp up the great work - watching more of your iRacing videos than any other creators now.
Is iracing down for maintenance today ?, wouldn’t mind doing some test driving again
It was but back up I believe
Is it compatible with Fanatec wheels?
You'd have to get the fanatec wheel converted to usb
Anyone ever compare vrs to simicube?
have you tried any other games with this wheelbase? like acc/ac dirt rally etc
Yes ACC RF2, AMS2 👍
@@davecamyt still better than the accuforce?
Yes definitely 👍
Appreciate the review Dave. Shame you can't actually buy them.
Reservations are open and the waiting list is getting shorter as VRS gets more stock.
purchased a simagic while I was waiting for my turn with reservations with vrs. Its still in the box and never used. been about 6 weeks, but received an email today saying the vrs is ready for me to purchase but have to do it in the next 48 hrs. Should I sell my simagic and go with vrs?
If it were me, yes
@@davecamyt other than the hub do I need to purchase anything else to be compatable with most rims? Not sure if im asking the quesrion correctly.. lol. Guess im asking if i need to buy a rim with 70mm pattern or additional adaptor other than the black vrs 70mm pattern hub?
@@georgeelmer6440 You would need the shaft adaptor which would then enable you to fit any 70mm rim. 👍
@@davecamyt i have a simagic since two month. No Problem at all. A great device for the money
These high torque direct drives are dumb 2to7 NM it's good enough you think race drivers are driving with 20nm that's crazy.
Curious if you were running cloud tuning on the Accuforce. In the forums there are many long-time users who say that has transformed the feel of the wheel. The cloud tuning is the one thing that has me considering the Accuforce V2 vs. the VRS.
No, i never used it
The SimCommander Cloud Based Tuning feature has much improved the experience of using my AccuForce wheel base.
Having a prepared profile matched to the car/track combo you're driving eliminates the complaint about tweaking the SimCommander software.
I've had my AccuForce for over a year and I'm grateful for the Cloud Based Tuning features.
I can be less the 'mechanic' and more the 'driver' again.
My VRS is on route via Mydas. Goodbye SimNotSomagic!
I'll be interested to see what you think of the difference
@@davecamyt i'm at that horrible point where i'm hoping it's enough of an improvement to warrant the extra cost. As long as its consistent in the feeling from testing to joining a session then it will be a massive improvement, the Simagic can feel pretty good when i'm testing on my own, but when you join a race session it makes a Cup car feel like a 1960's LandRover. Not great for laptimes!
@@SmokingSteelGarage The wheel base doesn't care and doesn't know if you are in a training session or in a race. The issue is more what iRacing is sending to her. Could be you have a problem with the game and not the wheel.
@@Simumyki I absolutely agree with your reply. But having run th VRS for a week now on the same PC setup no issues are arising. So something wasn't right with the Simagic. Guess you get what you pay for.
@@SmokingSteelGarage I have the M10 and i never experienced your issue. Anyway, how do you feels the VRS compared to the M10 ?