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- Is the Toyota Corolla Hatchback susceptible to tranny failure? Can a dealer deny warranty if you attend a track event such as HPDE? Links to the Bo's channel and FB group below:
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Thank you so much for having me Alex! Great conversation, and I will continue to keep researching and updating the E210 community! Talk to you soon :)
You're welcome Bo, please keep us posted bud!
Glad I'm here. 6-7 thousand miles in on my cvt and I'm learning as much as I can. Wish I got the 6spd but glad my wife can drive the cvt with no issues
Hi Mr. Bottomstop! yeah I feel totally the same, not only can the wife drive it but I also really like the smart cruise control specially here in California, it makes the traffic somewhat bearable lol...
@@AlexAutoFun I'm always watching yalls content here in texas. Makes me proud to drive my E210
Dude I just hit 30k on my 2020 I’m kinda nervous ngl
@@leosvlogs9008 I also just hit 30K and same man, I got me a little paranoid, I drive it way more gentle now which is disappointing because the E10 was supposed to be a sporty car not a total econobox you know..
@@AlexAutoFun I might just 6 speed swap mine be on the lookout
I had a Honda with a cvt. Never again. Had problems with it until the day I sold it.
We had 2 accords and both of them ended up having bad piston rings at 40k miles. We had to add oil every 2800 miles /:
@@JDMFR3AK Wow. That's bad. Which engine? I've heard the 1.5L turbo has problems with oil dilution and failed head bolts.
@@palebeachbum 2.4L 4cyl
@@JDMFR3AK Gosh, I thought that was supposed to be one of their better engines.
@@palebeachbum same here 🙏🏼. The oil smelled like raw gas after a few hundred miles after an oil change tho.
You should really do your first cvt transmission fluid change at around 40k miles. You can go longer on your subsequent transmission service. If you have a manual, change the gear oil at 30k miles.
my 2019 hatchback 6mt had transmission failure at 89k from just normal around town driving honestly these cars have a lot more problems that Toyota cares to admit
Hi Jon! oh no, 89K should be nothing, that is disappointing to hear, my older 2004 Corolla is past 200K and it was my experience with it being a long lasting car that was major driver to buy another Corolla, with this different reports now coming out, I wonder how long it will actually last...
@@AlexAutoFun yeah it's really unfortunate because I know at least 20 to 30 people with either the manual or the automatic and they've all had transmission issues, clutch slave cylinder complete blowout the list goes on. worse for me is this is my first brand new car and it's been in the shop more often than I feel a three-year-old car should have been not to mention I've had a really bad interaction with three separate Toyota dealers where they've all been either rude or didn't fix it and I had to come back and my next step is to actually get rid of mine before my extended warranty goes out.
Aside from the matter, just came from Bo's video. I've been meaning to ask what products you use for your stache? Been growing mine out and my usual wax doesn't hold well anymore.
Hi Sour Diesel! ah yes I tried about a half a dozen products before I found this one amzn.to/3OnVibH which has been my favorite so far, great hold and easy to apply. Cheers bud!
I also have the 2019 hatch and a cvt failure. I do have some modifications (injen short ram intake, catback exhaust, AMT Stage 2 tune, and lowering springs) but nothing out of the ordinary. The issues began probably around 75-80k miles and I thought it was an issue of air fuel ratio since this was around the time I added the intake/exhaust. Took the intake off and put it back to stock and the issue was far less apparent. Got the tune around 100k miles and thought it would fix the issue so I added the intake back. Seemed to be fine for about 1000 miles then the transmission really started to have issues. Took it to Toyota and they quoted 9k to be replaced since I was past warranty miles and extended warranty on drivetrain and transmission only covers "certified used" vehicles. Stated unable to fix CVTs and seemed shocked that it make to over 100k miles.
Sorry to hear man. When you started having transmission issues, did you car pull any codes at all or go into LIMP mode? I strongly believe the torque converters failing is what is causing these $8k- $10k CVT replacements. The real question what is causing the TQ to fail. (TCM? Bad Fluid?) we have no idea :(
@@FujiboHeavy I thought I was having air/fuel issues around 75k miles but that was more likely transmission issues so I'd say around then. The whole time, the check engine light only came on once and went away before I could actually pull codes. The screen showed "Drive-start control malfunction" at the time. Based on my cars recall history, the torque converter was replaced just before I bought it. I bought it at 600 miles.
Wow thanks for sharing this story man, my previous Corolla has now in excess of 200K miles going strong, so It gonna be really disappointing if the E210 does not make it that far, it would suck to barely get 100K of it ugh..
@@BeatsByNeil oh wow. So even though the TQ was replaced it lasted about 80k then eventually died at 100k miles? Lots of great info!
@@AlexAutoFun right? Only time will tell manggg!
The CVT’s have been pegged as being shit in these cars as far back as 19-20 when I got mine. Like the salesman who traded me mine literally told me to not get a CVT because with extra power or hard driving that they were absolutely a frag. Like the warranties are trash, but it’s a known problem.
Yea dude. This is the worst way to find out, and it sticks hard lol. The 19-20 (launch years) for the DCVT seems to somehow cause the torque converters to fail, and it seems to have only affected Hatchback models. The 19-20 Sedans have the same CVT, however I have not heard of the 19-20 Sedans failing oddly enough. I know Toyota and Aisin both manufacture the trans axles/components, so im curious if a specific manufacture had the faulty batches of CVT units. They released completely new CVT trans for 21-22 models, only time will tell if they have improved or not
@@FujiboHeavy Haha I’m glad I got the HB with the MT 😂. I haven’t had any part failures on that car yet and I’m about to hit 60K miles.
@@MrVonkliest thats great to hear mangg!!! 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks!
DUDE! thanks man you didn't have to bro! 🙏!
@@AlexAutoFun It’s not much man, but I promise if I get rich 😅😅
Thank you for the Video information on the CVT Transmission on the Toyota Corollas. I am here to do research, to decide if I want to buy a newer Toyota Corolla with the CVT. The CVT transmission is a concern of mine. I like an automatic transmission due to some times here in California I am stuck in bumper to bumper traffic at 1 to 10mph. A manual-transmission is not so good in bumper to bumper traffic at turtle speeds. Due the slow speeds, we have to use of the clutch constantly at 1mpg. Then I love to drive at 75mph to 100mph. The new 2023 Toyota Corollas are only available in a CVT transmission. I always instal a Cat-back exhaust system for some gains in horse power and performance. Then I have a Computer chip installed in the OBD2 port under my car's steering wheel. Thorton Chip Tuning in Columbus Ohio has 3 levels of chips. The Stage 3-chip for only $90 supposedly gives all cars a 30 horse power improvment and a 5-mpg in MPG's. But the Chip requires you to use the highest octane gasoline possible. Thorton Chip Tunning stands by their computer chips and promises that their chips never void the factory warranty. And eventually I always like to instal Long-tube race headers for another 10more horse power. The Toyota Corolla 2.0 liter engine claims to have 169 horse power. So, when all said and done, 169hp + 30hp + 10hp + 5hp = 214 hp for that Toyota 2.0- liter engine. My concern is will the CVT be able to handle the extra 45 horse power out of the engine..?? Will the Transmission be able to deal with all the extra power...???
You're welcome Joe! Yep I love the smart cruise control on the E210, just makes traffic so much bearable. The being said, as far as performance, stick is my preference (I'm thinking GR Corolla). I would be careful with modding the CVT E210 specially here in California. First, we don't know how the CVT will handle performance environments, considering the warranty was denied for the car having been at the track, you will want to assume your warranty will be void if you plan to use your car for performance events. I would also be careful with tuning companies claiming their product does not void warranty, remember the decision to deny warranty falls on the dealer servicing your car (Toyota), not the tuning company. Lastly CARB is very aggressive, prepare to run into issues if trying to smog a car with an aftermarket tune or non CARB parts such as headers (ugh that is CARB for you! LOL). So in the wise words of Craig Liberman, if you live in CA and want a performance car, buy the one with the most horsepower from the factory. Cheers!
The answer to this question is no
@@user-ik9mo8wm7q What car do you drive? What cars have you done modifications to them? What have you learned from doing your mods to your vehicles over the years..??
@@coachgomes I have a 2011 Toyota Corolla S model four speed automatic with 335,000 miles. No modifications whatsoever. Just bought a 2024 Corolla SE with a CVT . I only have 1000 miles on it. I Do not plan to put any modifications on it. CVT ‘s will not take beating on.
Toyota uses an actual first gear to launch the car. That of course is a good thing. CVT ‘s are for you to have better gas mileage. And for the auto manufacturers to be able to build a cheaper transmission. If you are at car enthusiast and a spirited driver, get something without a CVT. At 300 k my 2011 Corolla started experiencing some strange transmission issues. It will eventually have to be replaced.
I do not expect the CVT in the 2024 to last 300,000 miles. But who knows. I’m hoping.
@@user-ik9mo8wm7qThanks for all your information. I wanted to buy a Toyota Corolla back in 2007, but they were around 21K. So I bought a 07 Hyundai Elantra that only cost me 16K. I've had a nightmare of problems with my Elantra. Back in 2011, and 2021, my engined died and both times I've had to completely replace the engine. The first time the engine lost compression and it would not start up. The only option was to replace the motor. In September 2021, the engine over heated, and the motor cracked internally and leaked water into the cylinders. Again, the only option was to replace the motor. Both times I did not use the dealership to replace the motor since my car was out of warranty. I don't know of any one who had to replace the entire engine twice in a car. I bought the Elantra because it was less money, but by now I have spent more money on my Elantra. I will never buy another Hyundai even if my life depends on it. I guarantee Toyota engines last over 300,000 miles, but your advice tells me that the CVT will not last. Thanks for sharing. There are many people who post videos on TH-cam, and. I just wanted to see what you had to say..
I just ordered a cvt 22 with an extended warranty. You think they would let me switch to a stick and if I could should I?
Totally up to you man! As long as you keep your CVT non modified Toyota will replace the anything powertrain related until 60k! But if you don’t mind manual or prefer the manual, then definitely switch if that’s what you prefer!
Hi Dustin! I'm with Fujibo on this, if you don't have plans to mod the car the CVT should be fine (I say any mods because Fujibo just heard from another owner where the transmission warranty was denied for intake and exhaust and another owner where they were denied for mud flaps and lowering) The stick will be more fun if you like spirited driving but you don't get the active cruise control (which I love for long drives or stuck in traffic, car does all the driving) Hope this helps bud!
@@AlexAutoFun I only plan on doing cosmetic, hopefully that doesn’t apply. I also got an extended warranty for up to 120k since I drive a lot for work. Just has me a little worried with finding out there was recalls on past hatchback models for the cvt and I cant find anything on the 22 because it’s still so new
@@dustingilmour5748 Yeah that is true, I actually didn't hear about this issues until Fujibo started doing research and found about them, but I think you should be good with the extended warranty, you are totally right on the commuting that was the big selling point of the CVT for me, all my other cars are stick so this was a way to give my knee a rest and the wife can also drive it you know..
Not related but apparently a few 6mt Corolla came with a weird “pops out of first gear” problem? Never happened to me with my 40k miles and 10 HPDE+…
I bought the manual transmission a few days ago and it's popped out of first gear once. I also have difficulty downshifting into 2nd gear sometimes.
@@tacocruiser4238 weird, my manual transmission has been fine. I have a 2021 hatchback se with 25.5k miles on the clock. I will probably change the gear oil at 30k miles.
@@robme3660 my transmission is fine too. 2-3 times popping out of gear over the course of months is nothing to worry about.
@Taco Cruiser unrelated question: Do you use the iMT feature more often than not? I personally do. At 40, my desire to heal toe downshift with a large gap between the brake and throttle has faded.
@@robme3660 I always try to use IMT but occasionally I forget to turn it on. Failing to rev match correctly will shorten the life of your transmission.
Yes, I heard years ago from all the guys who modified their V-8 cars, and trucks to death. When you improve any motor's horsepower and torque too much, you punish the OEM transmission beyond what it was engineered for. Sadly there are no modifications available to improve the performance, strength, and abilities of an OEM CVT transmission. All the super high performance V-8 cars do have alternative transmissions for higher performance needs. All these young guys today are clueless about trying to get more power out of an engine, and don't realize that CVT transmission are not designed for performance and racing on a track. CVT's are designed to save gasoline and may not last beyond 300,000 miles on cars. And if you race a car with a CVT transmission, you will destroy it soon enough.
Very true Coach! and probably one of the reasons I love manuals (all my other vehicles are stick). What sucks on this case for my buddy is that he was still stock when this happened, that being said he has since moved over to a different platform (stick) so I think lesson learned! LOL Cheers!
Super glad I waited to find a 6mt 😭
Nice! yeah man I hear the 6 speed are so much fun and congrats on your new E210 Nick!
@@AlexAutoFun time for a swap!!
no clock, timing device involved, not racing but off-roading enough for dealers flatly deny warranty claim. funny cause dealers are paid by the manufacturer for warranty claims. he spoke too much. should have said he was getting on the expressway and lost acceleration.
Yea man. Hard lesson learned 😭
I hear Toyota will not offer the 6 speed manual in the standard 2023 Corolla Hatchback (cvt automatic only option). The 2023 high performance turbo charged version will get the 6 speed manual.
Hi Vicky! woah,very interesting, thanks for sharing this info, so basically if you want to row gears only GR, I'm actually a little surprised by this, considering the low quantity of GR's being produced :(
We used to hear about Nissan failing transmission can it happen to toyota as well ? ?, when it comes to failing transmission, it is normally a headache
Yup. CVT’s are not safe anywhere lol. I didn’t think anything would ever go wrong with mine, especially a Toyota CVT going out at 20k miles. The worst part of it all, is that these are sealed units so owners have no way to check the fluid level or health, in addition if somehow the fluid does get hot, it doesn’t alert the driver in anyway and will keep running. At the time the torque converters have been a proved failure point for the 2019 hatchback CVT models (recalled about 3400 ) , and even though Toyota has sold many 2020+ models, I think a number of 2020+ will start to surface over the next coming years but fortunately Toyota will replace the transmission as long as 1) car has not been modified in anyway 2) it’s under 60k miles. My main concern however is long term reliability. It’s hard to say what exactly causes the torque converter to fail currently because the dealers won’t tell us or don’t know, and if it does break outside the warranty window, you’re left with a $5k-$10k repair simply because you cannot buy separate components to properly rebuild the CVT if it fails. That’s just crazy
@@FujiboHeavy i think repair is very difficult most of these CVT transimission once fail, an new transmission should be bought, and is very expensive. I think it is better not to buy CVT transmission.
@@edwinalexander1170 100% on the money
Yep! totally right, I think even if it the CVT could be rebuild the labor cost involved will exceed the cost to just have it swapped out for another tranny (which is kind of similar to standard automatic transmissions, while I have rebuild 5 speeds before, the complexity of automatic tranny's usually preclude rebuilding by the home mechanic, we are left with swapping it out)...
@AutoFun all right so I have a question so my uncle bought a 20/20 Toyota Corolla sedan SE 2.0 and he bought it brand new zero miles I believe he's probably only around like 5k Miles right now he's not big into racing or anything like that it hasn't been for many years mostly drove a Toyota Tacoma 1999 since it was brand new
but just this last year he wanted to buy something a little more sporty since now his kids are older and it's mainly just him or sometimes the wife writing with him he was originally trying to go get a Subaru STI unfortunately the wife talked him out of it so he ended up wanting to get the Toyota Corolla SE sports edition he was going for the six-speed manual and unfortunately his wife could not drive manual so he got stuck with the CVT
He's the type of person to do his maintenance on time consistently most of the time before it's even due just to stay ahead of the game with his truck once it was out of warranty obviously being a '99 we would constantly do tune-ups fluid changes suspension work etc to make sure that truck was always top notch
With the corolla he bought the extended 60k warranty that covers supposedly everything bumper to bumper again he is not one to race but after driving is little Toyota Tacoma for so many years he does like to do some spirited driving here and there and just punch it once in a while while merging on to the freeway or once in a while on a back road nothing crazy but just to have a little fun once in a while...
And knowing that this was not his first choice of vehicle yet and he still tries to have fun with it since it's still more sporty than the truck he had for all those years I figured his car needed a little bit of sound so I went and bought the top of the line k&n intake that comes with the heat shield still uses the stock cold air duct that goes to the front of the car and it's the best intake on the market now I know that you guys were saying any modifications would void the warranty but again he doesn't race his car just will punch it once in a while...
MY MAIN QUESTION IS NOW THAT WE ARE INSTALLING THAT INTAKE ON HIS CAR BY K&N And I myself work at Honda and have been a technician for quite a few years and know exactly what I'm doing If we install this on his car I'm hoping that he isn't one of the ones that has transmission failure later on but I'm wondering if he does ever have a issue where he has to go in and have something warranted I wonder if we could just take the intake off and reinstall his stock airbox before they look at it or if they will keep record of it being on his car when he comes in for his routine oil changes I just paid $400 for this intake and I'd really hate to not install it for him He's so excited to finally have the one and probably only modification he'll do to the car just to have a little bit of sound and make the car more fun so it doesn't just sound like air sucking through a straw when you punch the gas in these stock cars What are your guys's thoughts on it again I just got the intake yesterday and what is planning to install it for him in the next few days he was so excited when he opened that present at his birthday
Hi seattlejdmcivic! ah that's a good question (often a debated one) you would want to check your State's law. In my State supposedly the law prevents a Dealer from denying warranty if something was added to the car or someone worked on their car as long as whatever was added or the work that was done was not the cause of the failure. So let's say you put window tint on your car and your transmission fails, it would be difficult for the dealer to deny it because the tint or the tint install did not affect the transmission. But as simple as that sounds, there are horror stories of dealers not honoring warranty if they see a modification claiming it is what led to the failure. Some owners had to take them to court or complained directly to manufacturer (since dealers are typically independently owned) to get their warranty honored. Hope this helps, Cheers!
@@AlexAutoFun thank you for the reply!!
yeah I live in Washington State so I'm not sure how much different it is up here or where I'd be able to find that law I've tried looking online can't find much but I mean if we put that k&n on like I said I'm a technician at Honda I know what I'm doing and it's just a short ram intake nothing crazy
I wonder if we put that on and he goes in for his routine fluid changes like oil tranny brake fluid etc If they would take note of him having that intake on or anything because if he ever does deal with this transmission problem what I would do for him is I would just slap his stock air box back on before he goes to the dealership to try to get anything warranted
So I'm thinking as long as the dealership doesn't keep record of him having a short rim intake on then as long as I take it off if he ever has any issues before he goes into the dealership they shouldn't remember he had one on I wouldn't think since they're so many of those model Corollas that probably come through the shop area at the dealer
If you are able to find any info on Washington State and how they are about dealers denying work getting done let me know or send me a link I'd be glad to check it out because I've tried searching online I can't find anything distinct
@@seattlejdmcivic You're welcome! yeah they don't make it easy for people (who don't work in law) to find the statue to cover this type of claims, I would start with the car's warranty paperwork and go from there. Here what I normally see if there is a warranty issue that is being contested, there are attorneys who handle those cases which normally are more likely to have better success at arguing the law than us how are only mechanics LOL, Cheers!
I have a 2023 hb xse cvt because they dont make manual anymore and my hatch was made in japan you think am going to have problems in the future with my cvt because i only hear great things about this cars and their cvts transmisions now am worried because all this this car cost me more than 29k man and i love it now am so worried beacause i want to put some mods and make looks nice and hear all this problems with the warranty and the cvt trans make me think twice doing some changes to my car some one can tell me anything what think in my case .
Don’t do mods, not necessary or needed
I got a 2022 Corolla hatchback manual transmission and my engine light came on saying “a malfunction in engine with transmission” an hour later the engine light turned off and boom my transmissio/clutch gave out…. My Corolla is a lemon car 😅🤣
Oh no, that definitely does not sound good, consider is a 2022 I would strongly recommend taking it to the dealer for inspection. And please keep us posted on what they find, Cheers!
Im curious, are there differences in corollas made in the Japanese factory vs the American? Seeing as this only affects some corollas with the cvt
yea, its weird. I havent heard or seen any 2020+ CVT sedans yet either, so its strange
@@FujiboHeavy sucks to hear man. Your channel was a big decision maker for me even getting my corolla hatch 🥲
@@Nicktheblasian Damn. I hope I didnt make you regret it. lol. Had I known this CVT was an issue, I would have reported it right away. I just hope Toyota can address this, and improve on it :( You currently happy with your 6MT?
It may just be isolated to the K120 CVT, be interesting to see if it has issues in the other cars using it: Yaris, Camry, Avalon, C-HR, Cross, RAV4, Harrier, Lexus ES200 & UX 200 (according to Wikipedia 😁)...
@@FujiboHeavy no regrets here! Came from a 2012 mazdaspeed3 and other than the lack of power, this car is amazing so far
This problem was supposed to be fixed for the 2020+ Corolla Hatchbacks with CVT, per KBB, Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing is recalling certain 2019 Toyota Corolla hatchback vehicles equipped with Continuously Variable Transmissions (CVT). The "pump impeller blades within the torque converter" may detach, especially when driven under high load, potentially causing a vehicle stall. So any owners of the 2020+ Corolla Hatchback like myself "SE" shouldn't have this issue (hopefully).... Recall Info: NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID:18V901000, Report Date: DEC 18, 2018, Vehicles Affected: 3424
Right? Thats what i thought too. Apparently not, and I have found 4 other 2020+ owners that have experienced the torque converter failure, but was covered under 60k powertrain warranty. 2 of 4 2020+ owners are on their 3rd transmission from Toyota. Just be cautious!
Thanks for sharing this info SkyHigh!
@@FujiboHeavy I just had my 2021 XSE Corolla Hatchback transmission went out at 61K; I ve done all my maintenance at the dealership and the transmission fluid change was due at this time at 60k and it failed.
@@angelicamunoz-pharo1990 Sorry to hear :( Will dealer work with you at all replacing under warranty
@@angelicamunoz-pharo1990the 2.0 litre engine seems to be problem for you guys. Mine it’s 1.8 litre engine with the k313 CVT, not Meant for speed but it has been in use for a long time since 2013.
Everyone likes to say the manual is better but the manual is only better/more reliable if you as a driver don't screw it up. Burning clutches, money shifting, banging/breaking synchros, not trying to rev-match shifts, riding the clutch too much, etc. If you do everything right, they are usually far more durable but you have to do everything right. So I would say for the average person, CVT, despite some issues, would in fact be more reliable. However, belt CVTs create a lot of heat while in operation so unless the transmission cooling system is upgraded or built for performance already, it could absolutely fail. I know it sucks that he got the warranty denied but I do think he didn't do enough research about what conditions his car could endure without increased chance of failure. I know it sucks but it is his fault for assuming it could take the abuse.
Hi Keifer! Yeah all my cars are manual with the exception of my E210, my first CVT ever, we'll see how long it lasts! (I hope long, this is my 2nd Corolla, and the first one a 2004 model still going strong) Cheers!
I think the car was driven too hard way too often plus the extra weight. I floor my CVT but I know it’s limit and I only floor it when I’m the only one in the car. You may not have been racing it but you must’ve been putting stress on the belt.
Hi Herbie! I can't speak for how hard it was driven since I wasn't there but I think weight would not be an issue considering the car is rated for 5 people plus baggage in the back, with the car only holding 2 people it seems way under the weight limit. I do however baby the heck out of my car now as far as driving, sad because this car was supposed to be a sporty car (the only Corolla with the Dynamic Force 2.0 Engine) not a full econobox..
Often if the car is 5-10 years old and the transmission fails it would be best just to sell the car for scrap/parts as the cost of replacing or rebuilding the transmission would be more than the value of the car itself.
Very true! Fortunately I do all my work but yep there are cases where parts and labor make little sense and it's cheaper to move to a new platform. Cheers!
@@AlexAutoFun
Yup we also know a friend who had to sell a ten year old car a few months ago and purchase a new car because of the transmission failing on the old one and they were quoted equivalent of $10,000 USD to replace it which would of been just over what the car was worth! :)
But why would you take a damn cvt to the track
You should watch the video from Fujibo Heavy. He goes into detail. That wasn't an event for racing or anything of that nature, it was a driver education event. Watch the video and you'll see why it doesn't make sense why Toyota rejecting his claims.
@@3LL1C1T i know Toyota's cvt trans that last more than 200000km without maintenance. If it's built in Japan that is
Never tune your car from your head lol
it voids the guarantee if you modify it
Yup. Correct. If you are under 60K I highly advise to be as OEM as possible. Dealers will try to blame Tires, Suspension, Exh, or Intake to deny your repair. Of course I wont state the obvious, any pedal commander, or ECU tuning, the dealer can see if the ECU was flashed in anyway. In addition from my experience, you cant even use the vehicle for driver education events, because even though it's Toyota's mechanical failure they will not cover the $8K warranty repair, because they consider driver education as "misuse", even though Toyota advertises driver education events with NASA on their website
Hi David! I'm with Fujibo on this, as we are learning sadly any modification can open up a can of worms with the Dealer if there is ever a warranty claim ..
@@AlexAutoFun Hi you , yes its the policy to void the warrantee if medications are made
@@AlexAutoFun all right so I have a question so my uncle bought a 20/20 Toyota Corolla sedan SE 2.0 and he bought it brand new zero miles I believe he's probably only around like 5k Miles right now he's not big into racing or anything like that it hasn't been for many years mostly drove a Toyota Tacoma 1999 since it was brand new
but just this last year he wanted to buy something a little more sporty since now his kids are older and it's mainly just him or sometimes the wife writing with him he was originally trying to go get a Subaru STI unfortunately the wife talked him out of it so he ended up wanting to get the Toyota Corolla SE sports edition he was going for the six-speed manual and unfortunately his wife could not drive manual so he got stuck with the CVT
He's the type of person to do his maintenance on time consistently most of the time before it's even due just to stay ahead of the game with his truck once it was out of warranty obviously being a '99 we would constantly do tune-ups fluid changes suspension work etc to make sure that truck was always top notch
With the corolla he bought the extended 60k warranty that covers supposedly everything bumper to bumper again he is not one to race but after driving is little Toyota Tacoma for so many years he does like to do some spirited driving here and there and just punch it once in a while while merging on to the freeway or once in a while on a back road nothing crazy but just to have a little fun once in a while...
And knowing that this was not his first choice of vehicle yet and he still tries to have fun with it since it's still more sporty than the truck he had for all those years I figured his car needed a little bit of sound so I went and bought the top of the line k&n intake that comes with the heat shield still uses the stock cold air duct that goes to the front of the car and it's the best intake on the market now I know that you guys were saying any modifications would void the warranty but again he doesn't race his car just will punch it once in a while...
MY MAIN QUESTION IS NOW THAT WE ARE INSTALLING THAT INTAKE ON HIS CAR BY K&N And I myself work at Honda and have been a technician for quite a few years and know exactly what I'm doing If we install this on his car I'm hoping that he isn't one of the ones that has transmission failure later on but I'm wondering if he does ever have a issue where he has to go in and have something warranted I wonder if we could just take the intake off and reinstall his stock airbox before they look at it or if they will keep record of it being on his car when he comes in for his routine oil changes I just paid $400 for this intake and I'd really hate to not install it for him He's so excited to finally have the one and probably only modification he'll do to the car just to have a little bit of sound and make the car more fun so it doesn't just sound like air sucking through a straw when you punch the gas in these stock cars What are your guys's thoughts on it again I just got the intake yesterday and what is planning to install it for him in the next few days he was so excited when he opened that present at his birthday
@@FujiboHeavy @AutoFun all right so I have a question so my uncle bought a 20/20 Toyota Corolla sedan SE 2.0 and he bought it brand new zero miles I believe he's probably only around like 5k Miles right now he's not big into racing or anything like that it hasn't been for many years mostly drove a Toyota Tacoma 1999 since it was brand new
but just this last year he wanted to buy something a little more sporty since now his kids are older and it's mainly just him or sometimes the wife writing with him he was originally trying to go get a Subaru STI unfortunately the wife talked him out of it so he ended up wanting to get the Toyota Corolla SE sports edition he was going for the six-speed manual and unfortunately his wife could not drive manual so he got stuck with the CVT
He's the type of person to do his maintenance on time consistently most of the time before it's even due just to stay ahead of the game with his truck once it was out of warranty obviously being a '99 we would constantly do tune-ups fluid changes suspension work etc to make sure that truck was always top notch
With the corolla he bought the extended 60k warranty that covers supposedly everything bumper to bumper again he is not one to race but after driving is little Toyota Tacoma for so many years he does like to do some spirited driving here and there and just punch it once in a while while merging on to the freeway or once in a while on a back road nothing crazy but just to have a little fun once in a while...
And knowing that this was not his first choice of vehicle yet and he still tries to have fun with it since it's still more sporty than the truck he had for all those years I figured his car needed a little bit of sound so I went and bought the top of the line k&n intake that comes with the heat shield still uses the stock cold air duct that goes to the front of the car and it's the best intake on the market now I know that you guys were saying any modifications would void the warranty but again he doesn't race his car just will punch it once in a while...
MY MAIN QUESTION IS NOW THAT WE ARE INSTALLING THAT INTAKE ON HIS CAR BY K&N And I myself work at Honda and have been a technician for quite a few years and know exactly what I'm doing If we install this on his car I'm hoping that he isn't one of the ones that has transmission failure later on but I'm wondering if he does ever have a issue where he has to go in and have something warranted I wonder if we could just take the intake off and reinstall his stock airbox before they look at it or if they will keep record of it being on his car when he comes in for his routine oil changes I just paid $400 for this intake and I'd really hate to not install it for him He's so excited to finally have the one and probably only modification he'll do to the car just to have a little bit of sound and make the car more fun so it doesn't just sound like air sucking through a straw when you punch the gas in these stock cars What are your guys's thoughts on it again I just got the intake yesterday and what is planning to install it for him in the next few days he was so excited when he opened that present at his birthday
My nightshade Apex SE cvt was stock at 49k when the cvt went out.
Please do not buy any CVT transmission car (regardless of who makes it). Fortunately Toyotas have a physical first gear you can use to limp back to safety. Either get Manual or a real automatic with real gears. Research online as to what type of transmission comes in the car you're interested in before buying & if there is a history of issues there
Hi Yohan! oh man sorry to hear that! The Nighshade is such a cool edition of the car, I'm at 33K on mine E210 just crossing my fingers nothing goes wrong but some of this stories got me slightly worried 😩..
@@AlexAutoFun Hey Bro, at 33k you're still covered under warranty in case of anything (I think the Drivetrain warranty ends at 60k). I'm looking to trade mine out for a Sports Sedan or SUV with an actual Gearbox automatic or manual (not CVT belt/ chain). Doing as much research into that as possible
@@HenryMusic255 Hi Yohan! oh man glad you reminded of that! I forgotten the drivetrain warranty is longer than the general coverage one. I think I may do the same as you before getting to 60K. I would love a GR Corolla (crazy expensive at this point with the dealer mark ups ugh) or the GR86...
Were you driving that apex SE cvt like a regular automatic
@@alvinsimba734 no, so I always warm up the car in park for a few minutes, then drive in regular D (with sport mode off/normal mode) for a few minutes.
My city is very hilly/ mountainous so I need to switch to Sport mode after the car is warmed up & I use manual mode M+/ paddle shifting to navigate corners, hills, etc. I take my foot off the pedal in-between gear changes so there’s no power hitting the belt as it shortens/ lengthens on “gear” shifts.
I’ve grown so in touch with the cvt that I can sense when it might make noise so I can step off the gas. To avoid slipping, keep the revs higher by staying in lower gears & avoid flooring it unless you are moving from stationery in regular mode/sport off (which will engage the physical 1st gear which can handle the force).
Also, the cvt works better in cold weather. Be more cautious in warm weather & buy fresh/ cold fuel that day to keep it cool.
I put it in neutral at lights which gives the belt a break.
I also turn the car off when not in immediate use & keep it gassed up to the brim on F (which gives me peak performance, I can tell a difference when the tank is lower).
Never missed an oil change. Only thing I have not done maintenance wise is a cvt fluid change (which my dealership only recently started doing). Somehow they couldn’t do it while the car was in warranty, but they can now that it will cost $250?!
Research Any CVT transmission... I would not buy any CVT transmissin from any manufacture! This is a very poor design. To keep them in good reliable condition they need to have the fluid changed every 20-39K miles! That is expensiveThey should never be driven to higher rpms at a track. Your partners car is a good example. These types of cars ae just for normal driving... Commuting.
Very interesting Davil, I would have also thought the fluid would need to be changed often but what's odd is that the service manual for the E210 does not require the fluid to be changed at all (the service schedule only covers maintenance to the 120K miles mark) it only requires changing the fluid at 60K if they car is used "low speed driving for long distances such as police, taxi, or door-to-door delivery use". I know in my 5 speed, I swap that out almost every 10K, cheap insurance I call it lol, so It was pretty surprising to see the Toyota service schedule (which sort of explains the lack of a dip stick to inspect the fluid) Cheers bud!
Yup you should change it after 5-6 oil changes they don't tell you that but if you have a cvt you should.. Just changed the fluid in my wifes ford and you can notice the improvement right away.
@@BH-zx8ns Agreed. CVT's are a different beast for sure. I would def recommend changing every 30K. Thats if I ever own another CVT lol
@@BH-zx8ns Hi B H! With oil changes scheduled at every 10K by the service manual, the CVT oil change would line up perfectly with the CVT fluid change at 60k required by the user manual (for car with heavy CVT use) but in our case sounds like changing it regardless of heavy use would probably make sense...
Cars under $25k usually gonna have CVT so no choice if that’s your budget, best bet buy an EV…. No conventional transmission.
Mines out now 34k
Oh man! not good, I crossed that mark not too long ago, seems there is more to this issue that what people think (that we are beating on this car or breaking them, I'm sure for many this is just a sporty car to drive to work like mine is a daily driver) Please let us know if Toyota is able to help you. Cheers!
Anyone got issues with the 6MT, I'm at 33k and have no issues
A CVT transmission is not qualified for any 'high performace' events.
Hi Mike! The new WRX comes with a CVT Transmission, I'm sure it won't take long for people to take that CVT to high performance events also LOL
Toyota or not, If you drive your car like you stole it often .. Guess what .. It's going to break down. They are not engineered from the onset for racing or heavy duty use. Drag racers usually end up beefing up their transmissions.. What will be interesting is to see what is involved in BEEFING UP a CVT transmission used in the E210s.
Hi David! not sure if you been to an HPDE event but it's definitely not racing and at the level of a lead follow exercises it's actually quite mellow as the student is learning the track, the balance of the car, braking areas, the line to follow (and more basic items such as hand signals, flags, etc before allowing them out on their first alone session) That being said yes racing and especially drag racing can put tremendous strains on the drive train of a vehicle and will lead to breaking things over time.
@@AlexAutoFun I have been to several events similar to the HPDE events, plus a lot of track time at various tracks and one Dragway. So yes I am familiar with the difference between track days, Defensive driving and full on races .
@David Wood Nice! I think you got more track time that me! Lol but yeah you know what I mean how people think we are racing at this events, and I tell them well yes we want to be fast but it does not necessarily mean go we are going fast (which turns to be one way to not be in cotrol of the car and loose time) That's when I explain how is more about learning to have better control of your car on a controlled environment as opposed to street racing or the street take overs that we are seeing now.. man I miss the old days of the car scene, it's now just a bunch of jokers in the street putting people at risk ugh. Cheers!
@@AlexAutoFun I agree, It's not like the old days. I just brought a 2023 Corolla LE brand new, Currently sitting with 310 miles on the clock. I slowly plan to add performance springs, Front and rear sway bars, and strut bars. (Elbach) 16" Alloy wheels (Primax or Koing) & a couple of visual enhancements like Carbon Fiber Spoilers, etc. Its a Classic Silver car so the black wheels and CF accents will look GOOD!.. lol You got some great videos om TH-cam. And BTW, I have one of those VANTOP Mirror cams installed in my Corolla.. If you are contacted by the customer service team at Vantop, its because I sent them a link to your Vantop trouble video you made. Hopefully they will fix your issue!
@@davidwood7170 Dude that is going to be a pretty good build! Good color combo too! and thanks for sharing that info with Vantop, I'm still hoping that one day they may return to their former glory days. Cheers!
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