This is one of my favorite ever Star Trek scenes -- especially regarding Spock's character development. He finally "gets it" here. This is such a pivotal turning point for Spock regarding his endless struggle to maintain logic without succumbing to emotion. He begins the movie having (nearly) purged all emotion. He finally realized, after mind melding with V'ger, that with NO emotion there is emptiness. That he would not experience the true feeling of friendship he has with Kirk and Bones. After this scene and in the continuing movies and even in his bits in TNG, you see a changed Spock. A Spock who is finally at peace with himself and has finally found that balance between logic and emotion. Human and Vulcan. Finally at peace with himself.
@@gmailkrause4213 Nailed it. Yes, this was the pivotal moment in Spock's character development where he accepted both his Vulcan and human heritage, made peace within himself, and it guided Nimoy's performance in all subsequent Spock appearances.
Almost there. There is a scene where as they enter further into V'ger, Spock cries over V'ger's isolation and hopelessness and the crew confronts him about it. I'm annoyed no one has uploaded that scene.
It kind of gives you the wrong ID that a nurse is just a less educated MD. It's a different field, although very similar. There are nurses which have PhDs. An MD is not anywhere near a PhD.
@@johnbockelie3899 Finally, a person of color is put in command. That is historic. Notice, though, it took Starfleet decades after this before they put a black person in the captain's chair? And decades after that a woman? I have to wonder if the Enterprise would have done better with a female captain instead of Kirk.
@@trhansen3244 Ahhhh, shaddup. Remember Kirk's court martial in the original series? They had all the colors of the rainbow on the panel, all high ranking officers who would have held commands.
Hal Wakka. Actually, her character is Dr. Chapel and the actress is the wonderful Majel Barrett. She was married to Gene Roddenberry and was the computer’s voice until she died, right up to J.J. Abrams’ ST! Therefore: no impression needed, it is her normal voice.🤔👌🏽 Her voice is so good, she is also the voice of railroad radio channels throughout the USA, e.g. Union Pacific. Cool, right? 🤩 As you may know, she was also Lwaxana Troi, Deanna’s mother later in ST TNG.👩👧😉
she is not a nurse anymore, between the end of TOS and the Motion Picture she went to medical school and became a doctor. And yes, Majel Roddenberry is the voice of the computer in almost every Trek until the first Kelvinverse movie.
@@SantomPh Well, Jim, I hear Chapel's an M. D. now... Well I'm gonna need a top nurse, not a doctor who'll argue every diagnosis with me. And they've probably redesigned the whole sickbay too..... I know engineers, they love to change things!
@@IndomitableT ...and Majel also played Number One in 'The Cage' (first ST pilot - filmed in 1964 - aired in 1966): th-cam.com/video/zm6gXHh7ixs/w-d-xo.html
I have not been able to get this scene out of my head since I saw it in a movie theater last week. This scene articulated something that I did not know how to express until that moment. I have seen this scene I don't know how many times before when I was younger and I thought it was a good scene, but it hits me differently now that I'm older. Like V'ger, I am asking questions. I am asking the same questions. I simply hope I find Spock's wisdom on my search.
Many millions of years ago... on the planet Cybertron, life existed, but not life as we know it today. Intelligent robots who could think and feel inhabited the cities. They were called Autobots and Decepticons, but the brutal Decepticons were driven by a single goal... total domination. They set out to destroy the peace-loving Autobots, and a war between the forces of good and evil raged across Cybertron. Devastating all in it's path, draining the planet's once rich sources of energy. The Autobots on the verge of extinction, battled valiantly to survive...
Brilliant scene. A favorite of mine. As Bruce Lee said 'don't think....feel. Its like a finger pointing to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory...'
People who claim that The Motion Picture is too much about visual effects at the expense of the characters have missed what the film is all about. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy all have great character moments and great character development throughout the film. Especially Spock. Everything that happens in this film is why he is the content, fulfilled person we see in Wrath of Khan. His encounter with V'Ger finally allows him to resolve his human/Vulcan conflict and accept who he is.
Spock is trying to conceal and hide his emotion, while Vyger is looking for something more which happens to be emotion.when Decard becomes one with Vyger. I think Spock learned a lot about himself when mind melding with Vyger.
This was a great scene. They should have changed Spock out of his spacewalk suit. Everybody else is in long sleeves and he's in a no sleeve shirt, yet he doesn't complain about being cold. He just looks really tired after that mind meld.
@@peterp2153It took until the Director's Cut became more widely accessible for TMP to be better appreciated. That's the version of TMP worth experiencing first before seeing the rushed theatrical cut.
I'm two minutes into this scene. It's better than anything being done right now in Star Trek. And this film is not even considered one of the "good ones" so sad. Save your money and rewatch the originals and TNG. bleh
V'ger would probably have spared Data's existence because he is a brother machine, though it would have learned from him the relationships he has with his Human/Klingon/Vulcan/Bajoran, etc crewmates and learned to see the Carbon Units as true life forms. Data would have likely become the go between or locutionist for V'ger and V'ger would likely have wanted to "join with the creator" just the same because understanding emotion is not the same as experiencing it. Just my two cents, but that would have made a great episode!
Yes, that is later, after Kirk gives the self-destruct command. Spock weeps for V’Ger as he would a brother, knowing it will ‘die’ without finding the answers to life’s questions that it (and Spock) is seeking.
There is some discussion regarding the fate of this machine planet. One story holds that they were assimilated by the Borg at one point. The other is they ascended, a third is they still exist, waiting on a call from V'Ger to come through.
Perhaps, but not likely. Spock said the planet was populated by living machines, not human-cyborgs. I believe that planet to be far more advanced than the Borg could ever be.
In one of William Shatners star trek novels that takes place after the star trek generations movie he confirms that v'ger was borg and so was Spock because of his mindmeld with v'ger
@@stevealdrich6162 unfortunately, according to the suits, the books are non Canon. Honestly, though? It was my head Canon since 1988 when the born first appeared. I always had it in my head that V'ger was some incarnation of the Borg.
Doubtful. "V'ger has knowledge than spans this universe" -- the Borg controlled "only" a large swath of the Delta Quadrant 100 years after the events of this movie. Hardly universe-spanning knowledge.
I wonder if Spock was talking about Cybertron??? About the planet of living machines. And when I was teen. I asked my parents. Growing up the same question. Is this all that I am? Is there nothing more???
Not the most flattering angle for the ectomorphic Nimoy, though it portrays a certain vulnerability the scene was attempting to convey. A director like Robert Wise probably did it deliberately, showing the intellectually and physically adept Vulcan completely at the mercy of the illogical, frail humans much like V'ger felt.
I think Roddenberry, or maybe Harve Bennett said that they ran out of budget or they would have hired Robert Fletcher, who did the uniforms for TWOK. This film could have looked very different.
@@danclark1348 Yes, but they were hell the ruggedest mile to make, and get to look right. I went to a Con in Atlanta in the early 80s, and I've never seen so many people in ill-fitting gray pajamas.
Not necessarily. Spock is merely talking about compassion. They've all worked together for many years and developed a friendship that includes the female crewmembers on the ship as well. Spock has his friendships that also includes Saavik-who he later marries-and Lt.Valeris (for a short time, no doubt) and Leila Kalomi. Kirk also had his females as well.
So the humands Created Vger..(Voyager 1) it goes to the Borg homeworld, and then borg send it back, looking for its Creator.... Easier said then done???? The creator is dead, by the time they hit the Kelvin Timeline......(shrugs)
Even this scene is miles better then "Strange New Worlds" so far. I'm sorry but I just can't get into it. Nothing will ever top the Original Series, TNG, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. The days of "Good Trek" I unfortunately think are over.
I apologize to all the other comment writers. I understand their passion. But, except for seeing the Enterprise for the first time, I thought this movie was the worst of the lot. So boring and so stiffly acted. Again I’m sorry.
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Wonderful scene❤
This is one of my favorite ever Star Trek scenes -- especially regarding Spock's character development. He finally "gets it" here. This is such a pivotal turning point for Spock regarding his endless struggle to maintain logic without succumbing to emotion. He begins the movie having (nearly) purged all emotion. He finally realized, after mind melding with V'ger, that with NO emotion there is emptiness. That he would not experience the true feeling of friendship he has with Kirk and Bones. After this scene and in the continuing movies and even in his bits in TNG, you see a changed Spock. A Spock who is finally at peace with himself and has finally found that balance between logic and emotion. Human and Vulcan. Finally at peace with himself.
Well said
@@gmailkrause4213 Nailed it. Yes, this was the pivotal moment in Spock's character development where he accepted both his Vulcan and human heritage, made peace within himself, and it guided Nimoy's performance in all subsequent Spock appearances.
Tru, but you missed; he rejected the kohlinar because he was in harmony with vger... Neither wanted barren logic.
Well Said
Now, if only atheists could realize that as well. There is more to life than believing that this life is all that there is.
I think this scene is showing that Spock has reconciled with his human side. It shows that he won’t take his friends for granted.
Almost there. There is a scene where as they enter further into V'ger, Spock cries over V'ger's isolation and hopelessness and the crew confronts him about it. I'm annoyed no one has uploaded that scene.
This scene is a microcosm of what Star Trek is all about, is what makes it so beautiful.
I love how Nurse Chapel became a MD......................Excellent Job
It kind of gives you the wrong ID that a nurse is just a less educated MD. It's a different field, although very similar. There are nurses which have PhDs. An MD is not anywhere near a PhD.
This is a crucial scene, where Spock learns how he can get as much as $99 back on his Medicare type B if he joins the Leonard McCoy Advantage plan.
LOLol
The first time I ever saw Mr.Sulu sitting in Captain Kirk's command chair. This movie. How historic.
lol
@@johnbockelie3899 Finally, a person of color is put in command. That is historic. Notice, though, it took Starfleet decades after this before they put a black person in the captain's chair? And decades after that a woman? I have to wonder if the Enterprise would have done better with a female captain instead of Kirk.
@@trhansen3244 Ahhhh, shaddup. Remember Kirk's court martial in the original series? They had all the colors of the rainbow on the panel, all high ranking officers who would have held commands.
Every modern Trek writer (Picard, Discovery) should watch this scene. It’s literally what Trek is about.
Funny you call them Trek writers
Totally agree
They would be confused because nobody cried or announced their pronouns.
@@evrbody good one dude
@@evrbody The multiple pronouns thing wrought havoc on the universal translators.
3:18 That nurse's impression of the Enterprise computer in Next Generation is spot on! How'd she do that?!
Hal Wakka. Actually, her character is Dr. Chapel and the actress is the wonderful Majel Barrett. She was married to Gene Roddenberry and was the computer’s voice until she died, right up to J.J. Abrams’ ST! Therefore: no impression needed, it is her normal voice.🤔👌🏽
Her voice is so good, she is also the voice of railroad radio channels throughout the USA, e.g. Union Pacific. Cool, right? 🤩
As you may know, she was also Lwaxana Troi, Deanna’s mother later in ST TNG.👩👧😉
she is not a nurse anymore, between the end of TOS and the Motion Picture she went to medical school and became a doctor. And yes, Majel Roddenberry is the voice of the computer in almost every Trek until the first Kelvinverse movie.
@@SantomPh Well, Jim, I hear Chapel's an M. D. now... Well I'm gonna need a top nurse, not a doctor who'll argue every diagnosis with me.
And they've probably redesigned the whole sickbay too..... I know engineers, they love to change things!
@@IndomitableT ...and Majel also played Number One in 'The Cage' (first ST pilot - filmed in 1964 - aired in 1966): th-cam.com/video/zm6gXHh7ixs/w-d-xo.html
funee joke
Much prefer this type of Trek, rather than endless explosions & motorcycle riding....
And lens flares! Gotta have lots lens flares!
Me too
Too Right
Omg the motorcycles. Embarrassing parody of intelligence. You forgot Beastie Boys. What a joke.
@@deanfawcett2085 Did you even watch the movie?
I have not been able to get this scene out of my head since I saw it in a movie theater last week. This scene articulated something that I did not know how to express until that moment. I have seen this scene I don't know how many times before when I was younger and I thought it was a good scene, but it hits me differently now that I'm older.
Like V'ger, I am asking questions. I am asking the same questions.
I simply hope I find Spock's wisdom on my search.
Never been a team like those three since.
😂😂They officially kissed again 2:02 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Anyone who thinks Star Trek isn't good at predicting future technology has obviously never noticed the vape pen in Chapel's hand here.
I think that's actually supposed to be a scalpel, but that raises even more questions
Yes, the tablets, flat PCs, mobile phones (look at Motorola), etc.... Even... Skype.)
@@phokingamajingactually it looks like a Anabolic Protoplaser (wound healer).
This really was a beautiful looking movie. And just as good as any episode of original Star Trek.
i agree she really does look good in this movie. but i mean i would say her most iconic role is lawaxna tori.
Spock asked the same questions that I and everyone asked themselfs, Is this all that it is, is there nothing more
As Peggy Lee sang, "Is that all there is? Is that all there is?"
@@EdiaStanfordBruce Lol, why did this same tune start to ring in my ears? Lol
A great movie,here!That I saw 👀 in;High School in;December of 1979 with my cousin.This was the best part of Christmas 🎄 that year!
I think this is the best scene in the movie.
It's the key to the whole film.
@@ZuluRomeoShame we don't have more scenes like this in TMP. Real strong character moments in the vein of TOS' best moments.
What a beautiful scene. Wow
I guess they don't believe in giving patients blankets in Sickbay. Poor Spock. As a Vulcan, he was probably freezing!
The bed is probably heated, so no need for a blanket.
"What questions?"
"Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?"
I read that in tune.
A planet made entirely of living machines. V'Ger wasn't evil. He was just the emissary from Cybertron.
lol
Many millions of years ago... on the planet Cybertron, life existed, but not life as we know it today. Intelligent robots who could think and feel inhabited the cities. They were called Autobots and Decepticons, but the brutal Decepticons were driven by a single goal... total domination. They set out to destroy the peace-loving Autobots, and a war between the forces of good and evil raged across Cybertron. Devastating all in it's path, draining the planet's once rich sources of energy. The Autobots on the verge of extinction, battled valiantly to survive...
And this was before Transformers!
Brilliant scene. A favorite of mine. As Bruce Lee said 'don't think....feel. Its like a finger pointing to the moon. Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory...'
People who claim that The Motion Picture is too much about visual effects at the expense of the characters have missed what the film is all about. Kirk, Spock, and McCoy all have great character moments and great character development throughout the film. Especially Spock. Everything that happens in this film is why he is the content, fulfilled person we see in Wrath of Khan. His encounter with V'Ger finally allows him to resolve his human/Vulcan conflict and accept who he is.
Kinda brings that whole Kolinar thing into focus. Spock found out what was really important.
I watch this a couple of times a week.=)
Gotta love the costumes. 70s at it's finest! I think that ST the motion picture gets a bad rap.
Spock is trying to conceal and hide his emotion, while Vyger is looking for something more which happens to be emotion.when Decard becomes one with Vyger. I think Spock learned a lot about himself when mind melding with Vyger.
The motion picture is my favourite movie. I loved all the models they had for the film and the character development
You cant mean that you think its better than Wrath of Khan
This was a great scene. They should have changed Spock out of his spacewalk suit. Everybody else is in long sleeves and he's in a no sleeve shirt, yet he doesn't complain about being cold. He just looks really tired after that mind meld.
I wish Star Trek: The Motion picture would receive the accolades it deserves.
It’s begun to be seen as a scifi classic over time.
@@peterp2153It took until the Director's Cut became more widely accessible for TMP to be better appreciated. That's the version of TMP worth experiencing first before seeing the rushed theatrical cut.
all I got to say is... how does spock look younger in this scene compared to the TOS series? XD
You know, there's already dr. Who stuff going on with the decks.
I'm two minutes into this scene. It's better than anything being done right now in Star Trek. And this film is not even considered one of the "good ones" so sad. Save your money and rewatch the originals and TNG. bleh
Anything after Enterprise is crap.
@@Hodaris_Darlin i even like Andromeda more then anything modern and that's just gene roddenberry's unfinished work.
Don't tell me what to do. Ill do what i want to.
@@robertromero9488 nobody's telling you to do anything. are you using a translator? or what?
@@robertromero9488 it's advise or a recommendation they aren't saying "You MUST do this" maybe you don't understand the nuances of english.
This is the question we all ask. It is logical. Big fan always!
Wonder what V'ger would think of Data in TNG?
Probably become their king.
V'ger would probably have spared Data's existence because he is a brother machine, though it would have learned from him the relationships he has with his Human/Klingon/Vulcan/Bajoran, etc crewmates and learned to see the Carbon Units as true life forms. Data would have likely become the go between or locutionist for V'ger and V'ger would likely have wanted to "join with the creator" just the same because understanding emotion is not the same as experiencing it. Just my two cents, but that would have made a great episode!
Thanks!
Wow, a living machine with an existential crisis.....
Classic in the trilogy
It's the most profound question that can be asked. Why am I here, and why do I exist.
That was over 43 years ago. Damn, I'm old. How the fork did that happen?!
It kind of sneaks up on you, doesn't it?
Wasn't there a scene where Spock shed a tear over VGer while on the bridge? I think I saw it on TV years ago.
Yes, that is later, after Kirk gives the self-destruct command. Spock weeps for V’Ger as he would a brother, knowing it will ‘die’ without finding the answers to life’s questions that it (and Spock) is seeking.
Love scene
They're all lucky that the "living machines" on Vgers planet weren't the Borg
There is some discussion regarding the fate of this machine planet. One story holds that they were assimilated by the Borg at one point. The other is they ascended, a third is they still exist, waiting on a call from V'Ger to come through.
Nighthawke70 Ascended into Q?
It's been said that Vger could of bern to the Borg home world
Perhaps, but not likely. Spock said the planet was populated by living machines, not human-cyborgs. I believe that planet to be far more advanced than the Borg could ever be.
(Cough-cough) Cybertron
Isaac Allerton A variant of the borg as we know them.
In one of William Shatners star trek novels that takes place after the star trek generations movie he confirms that v'ger was borg and so was Spock because of his mindmeld with v'ger
@@55Quirll The synths of the T'kon Empire in Picard
Dig the apple watches lo!
I wonder if V'ger has some connection to the Borg Collective?
Yes..read "The Return" by William Shatner
@@stevealdrich6162 unfortunately, according to the suits, the books are non Canon. Honestly, though? It was my head Canon since 1988 when the born first appeared. I always had it in my head that V'ger was some incarnation of the Borg.
Doubtful. "V'ger has knowledge than spans this universe" -- the Borg controlled "only" a large swath of the Delta Quadrant 100 years after the events of this movie. Hardly universe-spanning knowledge.
No.
DeForest Kelly was so skinny in 1978!
As far as I know he had stomach cancer but I am not too sure wether he already had it back then or later in his life.
@@dreams8565 He was always skinny. He developed cancer later in life.
yes yes, i am here.
Is Sulu 3rd in command? I thought Scotty takes the helm when Kirk and Spock are not on the bridge
Mr Chevolz, supreme zcomanndar US Navy Commander.
Spock understa do stuff in this movie.
I wonder if Spock was talking about Cybertron??? About the planet of living machines. And when I was teen. I asked my parents. Growing up the same question. Is this all that I am? Is there nothing more???
is it just me or does spock`s body look like a child's while his head is big like an adults , think its a bad camera angle
Not the most flattering angle for the ectomorphic Nimoy, though it portrays a certain vulnerability the scene was attempting to convey. A director like Robert Wise probably did it deliberately, showing the intellectually and physically adept Vulcan completely at the mercy of the illogical, frail humans much like V'ger felt.
Apparently Vulcans not only have no emotions but no shoulders
He has NO heart! 😂 ... Yeah, the Starfleet costumes were kinda meh. Klingons got an upgrade !
3:19 "Valvoline, 5 cc's"?!
This is a film that would have been 100× better with different costumes.
I think Roddenberry, or maybe Harve Bennett said that they ran out of budget or they would have hired Robert Fletcher, who did the uniforms for TWOK. This film could have looked very different.
I actually liked the costumes.
@@danclark1348 Yes, but they were hell the ruggedest mile to make, and get to look right. I went to a Con in Atlanta in the early 80s, and I've never seen so many people in ill-fitting gray pajamas.
is there nothing more> yes.
is this all that i am?
this was the start of the BORG
This was after shania o'connor
Dr Chapels surprise about a 'Living Machine' I'm sure theres an episode in TOS where her partner makes a female android
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaannnn!
yes,,,, loghhhh vergr. baran, cold.
1:30
2:07
is there noyhing more? at this state?
2:20 ok wow that's gay! I ship it now.
Not necessarily. Spock is merely talking about compassion. They've all worked together for many years and developed a friendship that includes the female crewmembers on the ship as well. Spock has his friendships that also includes Saavik-who he later marries-and Lt.Valeris (for a short time, no doubt) and Leila Kalomi. Kirk also had his females as well.
“Is this all that I am...is there nothing more?”
😂
@@virginiaconnor8350 Whatchu talkin' 'bout, Willis? Spock didn't marry Saavik.
*sees Spock & Kirk have a touching moment* "Hurr durr, look how gay they are, they must be in love, I ship it now." 🙄
So Vger was Borg?
rank
am i?
Spock is a dumb cuff.
you doutnt want i do Commander
The beginning of the Borg
So the humands Created Vger..(Voyager 1) it goes to the Borg homeworld, and then borg send it back, looking for its Creator.... Easier said then done???? The creator is dead, by the time they hit the Kelvin Timeline......(shrugs)
Vger is voyager 6, not 1.
"А не болен ли ты еврей, или только притворяешься как всегда?" =)))
Even this scene is miles better then "Strange New Worlds" so far. I'm sorry but I just can't get into it. Nothing will ever top the Original Series, TNG, Deep Space Nine and Enterprise. The days of "Good Trek" I unfortunately think are over.
I agree with you Brain6587.
@@April-dv2pb Thank you, sir! I wish this wasn't the case. At least we have Star Trek novels to still read!
@@Brian6587 You're welcome. The novels are fun to read. Have a good day.
Wtf is with their uniforms lol like a beach resort.
Too thoughful and cerebral a movie for the unwashed masses, and torturously slow paced, combined for poor reviews.
I apologize to all the other comment writers. I understand their passion. But, except for seeing the Enterprise for the first time, I thought this movie was the worst of the lot. So boring and so stiffly acted. Again I’m sorry.
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