The question I always see from theists is: "If you don't believe in god, why can't you leave religion alone." The answer is that religion won't leave me alone. So to any theists that wander into this comment section I have two questions: 1. If your religion makes you happy and truly satisfies you, why does the fact that there are people who aren't religious bother you?, and; 2. Why is it that you think you can pester someone, but not expect any blow back? Cause and effect--look it up.
Marc Norton Whenever I was asked that, i also tell them that the moment you religious folks stop shoving your religion into politics, then i would in turn be much more laid back and stop giving a shit. Secular politics is the ultimate end-goal. Who cares if some grandma down the street believes in exorcism or talking snake? Politics is what affect our daily lives. When that grandma cast her vote to vote for a bible-belt fundie, this impacts rest of us, and i try to remind Christians about that and why we as atheists always seem so aggressive.
Sean Armstrong To mention something that Matt or Seth eluded to: religions should be relegated to flat-Earthers and 'squatch hunters, people with stupid hobbies that are relatively harmless. Then we could leave them alone and make a better future instead of fighting the atrocities of the past.
Sean Armstrong I don't know how you could say that religion doesn't matter outside of politics after listening to the speakers anecdotes about their families. It goes even further than that, imagine if all the thought, money, and emotional energy that was put in to religion was put into people's interpersonal relationships or curing cancer or any number of great things. Every time someone lets go of faith, we get closer to a better world.
Marc Norton The answer I get is 'My religion requires of me to spread the word' I guess they just want a bigger penthouse when they get to heaven. The more souls they collect, the more God rewards them.
Even though this is a prerecorded show that is, as of February, 2020, nearly 5 years old, I had to applaud Matt Dillahunty's comment about the churches to "tax them into extinction".... WELL SAID AND I HEARTILY AGREE! (44:50)
Seth saying "Don't follow us.", other than echoing "Life of Brian", makes me think there should be an addendum to the definition of atheist (someone who doesn't believe in a god or gods). An atheist is also someone who doesn't worship things. Being worshipful, whether the thing you worship is real or not, blinds you to that thing's true qualities and can lead you astray.
Marc Norton fair enough - because I could definitely be convinced to believe in God but I don't think I could ever be convinced to worship it voluntarily
50:15 The closed ears routine was what I got from my own mother when she pushed a religious conversation with me. Hasn't questioned me since.. though she wishes that I'll find God at some point.
***** It wasn't advertised very widely I feel. I had no idea they were coming here and would have loved to have attended had I known. Given the size of the Auckland talk it looks a little like the NZARH were happy keeping it an in house thing and not interested much in bringing in non-members who might be just as keen to hear these guys speak. Matt Dillahunty It might be an idea to demand a certain spend / effort be made in publicising a talk when agreeing to speak to a group.
What Seth said about setting boundaries and hard limits with family and the pain that goes with it really resonates with me. It is unfortunate. I know the context he was talking about had to do with religious shame, but there are other times when we need to cut off contact and stop making excuses for people's bad behavior, stop letting ourselves and our thoughts and feelings be dismissed. There are some people my life will be richer without. Then I can focus on the people who love and respect me.
I think fear is the main controlling factor in keeping people religious. Also the way some parents will reject their own child in the name of a god is just appalling.
excellent q & a,never heard of Seth before, but will check him out. Love The Atheist Experience, and Aron Ra just blows me away. Just bring it to Adelaide next time guys.
@Artiom Andreev I don't think they're confused. I can see that you are though, I wouldn't assert that without you already making it clear. They're not trying to be better than god as they don't believe in one. And to be honest it wouldn't take much to be better than god, depending on which god you are talking about. The Bible is not moral, maybe you should try reading it.
Paul Beney Definitely. It's hard to do, though. You need to be examining yourself and come to the realization that "you're a person like everyone else - equal treatment is paramount, after that".
Matt Dillahunty I'd like to see you interview the 4 Horsemen: Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali... If you could figure out how to bring Christoper Hitchens back from the dead and interview him that would be pretty cool too... Do you think you could do that one day?
The little vignette by Seth at about 13:15 regarding "you must be angry" was choice. On another issue: I wish there was more light on the questioners. Seth at 54:00ish was brilliant IMO.
Seth Andrews is a great atheist. I don't give a shit if it took him until almost age 40 to realize religion was bullshit. I am glad he is with us. His experience WITH religion for those 40 years is an invaluable tool FOR atheism.
Religion is a trigger word. People should should just say Believers in Jesus Christ as the Incarnate God in the Flesh and cut the term religion . I as a Christian am against religion. The fact that religions fail in every case according to these guy's may be true . So ? What is so great about them that people follow there opinion ?
Religion is not about god. What it ends up being about is power, money, 'us against them', belonging, or dependence. Most people don't give a crap about any theological story. They only care if any of those five categories can get them what they need. If they can integrate into a group setting they are happy. If I made millions off of my sheep I might feel a little guilty but I would keep on clipping them. The only ones feeling god at all are the ones getting what they want.
Agnosticism, the stance where you think anything imaginable might exist, because you don't know better. The most single stupid thought process i can think of. Aron nailed it.
Shane Simpson I applaud your championing human rights but, does that include the protections for minorities established in the constitution? The reason I ask is that, sometimes, the only way to achieve genuine equality is to establish "special" protections as policy because human societies don't naturally tend toward equality and fairness but rather inequality and segregation. Individuals understand and pursue equality, populations do not.
For me the over insistence of god being in everything and everything being in the bible was a starting point. Then seeing the war after 9/11 while watching the news in the US tipped me harder to get my ball on a faster roll away from delusional thinking. I then I briefly dabbled in wicca and spirituality. All of that ultimately was from my young mindedness. By 23 I was an atheist. I grew up as a fundamentalist evangelic christian and now I am the former head of the Baltimore chapter of the American Human Association's LGBTQ Humanist Council. I currently live in Huntersville, NC with my loving new atheist girlfriend/partner and our precious baby puppy Lacey.
Owing to Ancient Greek legacies, Islamic countries were more advanced than the West between the 12th and mid 15th centuries. Then, in Spain, Catholic Isabella and Ferdinand eased progress.
Wow... you have to vote in Australia? One of America''s great freedoms is of abstaining, the freedom of speech means I can speak if I want, or not speak. Same with voting, I can choose to abstain from voting as a political statement if I so choose.
***** North Korea has a mandatory voting system. The issue with the US? The different states, you can only vote in your current district your live in. Well it is quite easy to move to another state, and frankly the city doesn't know that you live there, so you either have to register at city hall (which people only do to vote and you have to have proof of residency) or go home. Well, let's say I move to a different state within that 6 month window of the next election. I now need to prove I have lived in that new city. So I can't register in time to vote. Well now the government has to pay for a plain ticket for me to go home and vote, they can't mandate it and than make me pay for it. Let's say they try and make me pay for it. Let's say I have no money, I have no money so I can't go and vote. I can't go and vote so they charge me a fee. I can't pay the fee. Either they let it slide or put me in jail and now pay for my meals, medical care, and roof over my head and take me from the workforce and fill an already overcrowded jail. So end story, the government can't force me or anyone else to vote unless it is willing to spend a lot of money doing so. They either pay to transport me to the site, charge me a fee and drop it, or jail me and I'm going to get ALL my medical conditions treated on the house, mandated by law. End story the government can't force me to vote without crippling itself, it won't do that, so it won't force me. A law is useless if it has no force or repercussions behind it. And at the end of the day you want the government to go through all this bureaucracy and waste of time and paper so I can write down the next president should be: 'Go Fuck Yourself'? Doesn't seem smart.
***** Which would require the government to have even more knowledge on everything I do. What it comes down to is the government doesn't need to get into my business any more. What is gained from forcing apathetic and uninformed people to do something they don't want to? They're going to throw their vote to 'toss my salad'. So nothing is gained but a lot of tracking measures and unnecessary bureaucracy.
***** They actually don't. They're starving to death over in NK. My SSN doesn't track my location. My license says I live in another state. My HOR is in another state. Yes the government does know my current address, but I've traded a lot of my constitutional rights away, I've received a lot of benefits in return though. My point? Forcing hands at politics won't make anyone care. Some people aren't wired to care about that stuff. Forcing their had will require another 3 systems to track them and people to track them and each system requires millions to set up and all on the tax payer dime. No, they don't monitor all our phone calls. In 1 minute time they'd have 100 years of phone calls to listen to. They have computers collect metadata. Yes, it is still an invasion of privacy but in reality it doesn't do much. So why do the do it? I have no clue. In the end, I'd rather have 40% of the population that is educated in politics make a smart choice than 100% make a dumb choice. Is it ideal? No. But we don't live in a perfect world. Not everyone has time to educate themselves on everything in existence. People have to specialize.
***** You've committed a few mistakes. First being assuming what I'm thinking. No, I got the irony and causation you were drawing. Just because it was meant as a jest doesn't mean It wasn't funny, sorry to bust your chops, it wasn't. The second thing is you assumed all I argue for is my true position. Many things I argue for is for people's rights I don't even use myself. I can easily say the government should stay out of people's business while working for the government. Third you did an ad hominem. Who cares? So? Sure, I'm paranoid, inbred, and actually Hitler. My argument still stands on its own. My political opinions are actually likely to change. In the past 8 years I went from being a liberal to a conservative to being middle of the road. Why such a change? Because I absorbed more information and processed it. When I first voted at 18 I was busy trying to figure out how to establish credit, rent an apartment, get a job, pay my taxes, make friends, take care of my car. There really was way too much new information for me to make anything but passing decisions (all my classes in geometry and biology, for as much as I loved them, didn't help). Now that I have everything running too easily now I can actually sit down for long times and focus on just one thing. It comes back to an earlier point, I voted at 18 based on less topics than I have fingers on a hand. I didn't have a clue. If my head was more level than and lest filled with mindless patriotic ideas (ones that beg not to be examined) I might have thought I shouldn't vote (actually I think I thought that but felt it was my 'duty' to vote). So that was one more uninformed vote into the pot.
My mom was indoctrinated as a young child , church camp for 20 years or so. She has told me that she knows that god is more than likely not real and that everything that goes with religion goes against reality, she says she's OK with being wrong and she just likes it cuz it feels good and she tries to justify the reason that God hurts children and doesn't help them and gives innocent people diseases and trues to justify why it happened cuz of Adam , which is crazy, because why should all others after Adam be cursed through no fault of their own? I don't know what to tell her because she won't listen
It sounds to me like you are the one not listening. She has told you that she agrees that it's irrational and probably wrong but that she wants to hold on to it because "belief" makes her feel good/gives her comfort. She's not going to defend the bible to you because she agrees with you. You aren't likely going to get her to do that, or give up her beliefs. What are the negatives to her belief? Is she trying to force you to believe? Is she sending her rent money to Joel Osteen? Do her beliefs actually affect anyone except her? You don't have to answer me, but think about the answers. You trying to force her to admit atheism is running the chance of damaging your relationship with her. Is it worth that to you?
@@ericbussey6240 I'm not forcing her to do anything ,I don't bring up the subject of religion . I'm trying to explain to her why her belief is irrational given the proven information we have and she keeps saying her faith will not falter no matter what evidence she's presented with. I am not trying to force her into atheism , I'm simply showing her how it's ridiculous to believe or fear a god that won't heal her of cancer for the 3rd time and that If he loves us so much but allows starvation , child rape and rape in general , and for people to live in agony from diease and die very grotesque deaths no matter how hard they pray , but he still won't stop any of it or show how powerful he is by just wiping away disease or reaching down and stopping a rape , he's nothing but a fuckin asshole. He is not worthy of worship. She keeps up this more than likely false hope and just deceives herself so she can feel better. That's not a way to live , that's a mental prison. To live in fear of something and believe a horrible book about a horrible god and believe that she'll see her dead husband one day , all while having no evidence that it's real is just sad , it takes away from this life , if you live like you've got a spare one. Also to live in fear of some god because he'll send you to hell for not believing, all while not giving humans any evidence that he's there or any signs that we can understand and being seemingly impotent or maybe indifferent about the suffering of innocent people , that makes him nothing short of a piece of shit, he's not worthy of worship , hes worthy of a big spit in his face.
@@charlieclark2609 OK. All I have to go on is your post, and it sounded like she knows but is going to hold on to her beliefs anyway. You know the situation better than I do, obviously, and only you can deicide how important it is to you that she sees the truth.
@@ericbussey6240 I'm just explaining how much of a monster god is , I'm not trying to "kill" him. It's just very hard to watch someone you love believe in shit and be fearful and to not accept reason and evidence. That is the jist of the point I'm trying to make. I kow i don't have to even post comments like this, I'm just trying to explain thoroughly how religion poisons minds. I have no ill feelings towards you , I don't even know you, obviously.
You can tell you're in a room full of intelligent, rational people who are full of wisdom when the bald guy with alongside a fat hippie talk about God not discovering masturbation until 2,000 years ago and getting a round of applause, truly enlightening.
30:00 Islam is so back drawn because Islamic countries happen to be in constant war. And people tend to fall back to religion when they are suffering(from war and poverty(from war)). (see: 38:09) It all started with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and Colonization by European Countries.
1:01 - 1:02 - I understand that you are pandering to your audience but if you read for example the book of Proverbs (I would not bring it up for the fact that you seem relentless stuck in the old testament). Why not bring up that you care about knowledge and wisdom and love still? The bible teaches all those things and it is this sort of pandering types of answers that leave people seeing your bias is so blind it leads them to Christianity. Are you intentionally trying to make sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ easier? If that is your goal your are hitting the mark.
Tom Bailey you can not have your new testament with out the OLD testament. You bible says God is Unchanging, and a Zombie supposedly said he did not come to change the laws (of the Old) not one little jot!
Shane Simpson "not one little jot!" This is an incomplete quote of Matthew 5:17. It was satan himself that did the same thing the verse goes on to say "until all is fulfilled. That happened on the cross and that is why Christians do not stone people for picking up sticks on the sabbath because who wrote the old testament? Jews. Was it Christians that wrote the old testament? Answer no. Was it Christians that wrote the old testament? No. Was Jesus a Jew? Yes. What was Jesus the most critical of? (that would take doing this thing called reading the bible) He was critical of the religious Jews. What did Jesus come to do? (ummm you would have to have read the bible) He came so that we might have life more abundantly John 10:10 - He came to establish a better covenant under better promises Hebrews 8:6. Please post more of your biblical ignorance so that it serves as a stepping stone for more people to come to the truth of Jesus Christ please.
Sorry the figures more people leaving your insanity and its not ignorance, you have your version of the myths. and the statement still stands how does your Unchanging God - Change
Shane Simpson "how does your Unchanging God - Change" - Is this a personal experience you have seen? Gods word talks about moving from "faith to faith" and "from glory to glory" and things are build "precept upon precept". If you read the bible you will see obedience brings blessings to people, situations and circumstances and disobedience usurps Gods authority and corrupts people, circumstances and situations. Gods word talks about it this way "set your mind on the things that are unseen because the things that are seen are temporary" - You have never seen the unseen right? You have never read nor understood these concepts at all correct?
Im an atheist (or non believer) but found this pointless. I dont understand why people clap an answer. I dont like the chidish humour on such a serious subject or issue. I respect these guys but dont like the repetition and mutual back scratching!
... Entertainment? How many tv shows would you have if not for childish humour? And the more serious the subject, the more important it is to make some humoure from it. That may just be how humour came to be in the first place. 50000 years ago: "I didnt manage to catch anything today honey. "insert joke to lighten the mood"
Where are the living transitionals ? Point just one to me please. If a cow and whale are the same animal thing soup whatever, point out a half half animal thing living today. Shouldn't be a problem.
Dan K that isn't how it works, dumbass. if you take two distantly related species, and trace their lineages backwards, eventually you will find a common ancestor
Dan K you're a funny guy, you get my dumbest TH-camr of the week award, many congratulations it must have taken years of not going to science class to get to where you have gotten to, you have my deepest sympathies.
Religion is a Faith based belief system mr. Ra ? We believe Christ existed and there is historical reference to support this claim. Just destroyed your argument is is purely faith based.
Wow aron, science is so dynamic with 'facts' that yesterday's truth is today's falsehood. Another magician it seems. Reminds me of Neo in the matrix doing bullet time.
Reason lol. Opposed to reason lol as you claim. It is prideful of the professed atheist magic Matt to claim that Christians reject reason and that he and his paradigm are the saviours and guardians of reason. My Lord please help him.
Why mock the name of God with such a tour title if you believe that God does not exist ? Why not have the non santas tour or something. Why do so called atheists hardly ever debate muslims also, why focus on Christianity so much ? Is it because they all know deep down God exists ?
Solipsism Matt ! And I hate how aron says God does not exist, you would have to be God to know this. Major claims by him his baby brain cannot know according to his stated paradigm.
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The question I always see from theists is: "If you don't believe in god, why can't you leave religion alone." The answer is that religion won't leave me alone. So to any theists that wander into this comment section I have two questions: 1. If your religion makes you happy and truly satisfies you, why does the fact that there are people who aren't religious bother you?, and; 2. Why is it that you think you can pester someone, but not expect any blow back? Cause and effect--look it up.
Marc Norton Whenever I was asked that, i also tell them that the moment you religious folks stop shoving your religion into politics, then i would in turn be much more laid back and stop giving a shit.
Secular politics is the ultimate end-goal. Who cares if some grandma down the street believes in exorcism or talking snake?
Politics is what affect our daily lives. When that grandma cast her vote to vote for a bible-belt fundie, this impacts rest of us, and i try to remind Christians about that and why we as atheists always seem so aggressive.
Sean Armstrong To mention something that Matt or Seth eluded to: religions should be relegated to flat-Earthers and 'squatch hunters, people with stupid hobbies that are relatively harmless.
Then we could leave them alone and make a better future instead of fighting the atrocities of the past.
Sean Armstrong I don't know how you could say that religion doesn't matter outside of politics after listening to the speakers anecdotes about their families. It goes even further than that, imagine if all the thought, money, and emotional energy that was put in to religion was put into people's interpersonal relationships or curing cancer or any number of great things. Every time someone lets go of faith, we get closer to a better world.
Marc Norton The answer I get is 'My religion requires of me to spread the word' I guess they just want a bigger penthouse when they get to heaven. The more souls they collect, the more God rewards them.
Rumplestiltskin That's why there will always be conflict between the Theists and Atheists. They want to take over the world and we don't want that.
Even though this is a prerecorded show that is, as of February, 2020, nearly 5 years old, I had to applaud Matt Dillahunty's comment about the churches to "tax them into extinction".... WELL SAID AND I HEARTILY AGREE! (44:50)
same... 3 years later
Aron busting out laughing at Matt’s: “Kill it.” That definitely made me chuckle.😁👍🏼
In ancient Greece voting was compulsory as in modern Australia. I wish we had that in UK.
I think that AronRa's nickname of "The Texas Tank" is well deserved.
I think he should be in movies! He has a very distinctive face, like Machette (Danny Trejo) and it'd be cool to see them acting opposite each other.
@@Raz.C he'd be an amazing actor in star trek as a klingon!
Ya if your tanks run out breath after running for 10 seconds.
Yes, "question without fear." Great words, Seth!
That is what helped me break free. The fear factor was keeping me there and the supposedly all loving god.
"I can't make predictions about the future without my bathrobe."
Aron uses Mane 'n Tail Shampoo! Awesome.
@A. Andreev So an apparent believer chimes in but says exceedingly little. Explicate, please. If you so wish.
@A. Anderson I see only insults and factually incorrect statements in your response. Nothing whatsoever of substance.
@Deo Gratias I don't share your obsession with Hitler.
Hey... I'm an atheist full time too!
As I’m listening to this at work I can hear my coworkers talking about mystical creatures 🙄
18 years it took for me to become a full time atheist. :)
What took you so long? No offense!
@Tyler Shepard Same. My dad recently becoming a pastor does not help with the social pressures.
Seth saying "Don't follow us.", other than echoing "Life of Brian", makes me think there should be an addendum to the definition of atheist (someone who doesn't believe in a god or gods). An atheist is also someone who doesn't worship things. Being worshipful, whether the thing you worship is real or not, blinds you to that thing's true qualities and can lead you astray.
Marc Norton by that definition, if you believed in a God but didn't worship it, would you count as an atheist?
I said "addendum" and "also", so no.
Marc Norton fair enough - because I could definitely be convinced to believe in God but I don't think I could ever be convinced to worship it voluntarily
I just can't believe that Matt knew that Australian's call bath robes dressing gowns and correct himself.
ONE MIC!!!!!
For a major event being recorded!!!!
Its 2016 guys. Sort it out..
50:15
The closed ears routine was what I got from my own mother when she pushed a religious conversation with me. Hasn't questioned me since.. though she wishes that I'll find God at some point.
This was great, let's bring the tour to other countries, especially the US.
No New Zealand tour? If you do come here I'll sacrifice a child to The Flying Spaghetti Monster in your honour 👾
***** they did
***** Aron and I did Auckland before the Sydney event.
excuse my ignorance...i'll prepare the sacrifice!
***** It wasn't advertised very widely I feel. I had no idea they were coming here and would have loved to have attended had I known.
Given the size of the Auckland talk it looks a little like the NZARH were happy keeping it an in house thing and not interested much in bringing in non-members who might be just as keen to hear these guys speak.
Matt Dillahunty It might be an idea to demand a certain spend / effort be made in publicising a talk when agreeing to speak to a group.
***** agreed and please add Adelaide and Perth too ... thanks for putting up these videos Matt
Hey, he mentioned the TH-cam comment section! We're garbage! :P
Paul T Sjordal And this is Hell..!
Oops! There goes my self esteem.
Does that mean I'm allowed to buy heroin? 'Cause I really want some!
@@Raz.C You have my permission to buy all of the heroin you want.
What Seth said about setting boundaries and hard limits with family and the pain that goes with it really resonates with me. It is unfortunate. I know the context he was talking about had to do with religious shame, but there are other times when we need to cut off contact and stop making excuses for people's bad behavior, stop letting ourselves and our thoughts and feelings be dismissed. There are some people my life will be richer without. Then I can focus on the people who love and respect me.
We're (Australians) between 30 - 48% None's (no religion) now, depending on which survey you use.
re:43:00
I think fear is the main controlling factor in keeping people religious. Also the way some parents will reject their own child in the name of a god is just appalling.
The fear of loosing community, the fear of loosing family and connections. The fear of eternal torment and torture for a finite action.
excellent q & a,never heard of Seth before, but will check him out. Love The Atheist Experience, and Aron Ra just blows me away. Just bring it to Adelaide next time guys.
Love these guys. They have so much care and love for the whole world.
@Artiom Andreev why wouldn't they?
@Artiom Andreev I don't think they're confused. I can see that you are though, I wouldn't assert that without you already making it clear. They're not trying to be better than god as they don't believe in one. And to be honest it wouldn't take much to be better than god, depending on which god you are talking about. The Bible is not moral, maybe you should try reading it.
I'd love to play poker with these 3 guys. :D
I remember when Rich Mullins died. Hit me hard too. One of the the few Christian artists who I really admired.
Yes. That WAS a great answer Seth (52.07)
Paul Beney Definitely. It's hard to do, though. You need to be examining yourself and come to the realization that "you're a person like everyone else - equal treatment is paramount, after that".
52:07?
Oh.
Thrilling! Thank you, gentlemen!
Fantastic Q&A!
Wonderful.
Matt Dillahunty I'd like to see you interview the 4 Horsemen: Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali... If you could figure out how to bring Christoper Hitchens back from the dead and interview him that would be pretty cool too... Do you think you could do that one day?
Seth sounds so different here than how he sounds on his show.
The little vignette by Seth at about 13:15 regarding "you must be angry" was choice.
On another issue: I wish there was more light on the questioners.
Seth at 54:00ish was brilliant IMO.
Oh boy this really is the dream team.
Seth Andrews is a great atheist. I don't give a shit if it took him until almost age 40 to realize religion was bullshit. I am glad he is with us. His experience WITH religion for those 40 years is an invaluable tool FOR atheism.
Religion is a trigger word. People should should just say Believers in Jesus Christ as the Incarnate God in the Flesh and cut the term religion . I as a Christian am against religion. The fact that religions fail in every case according to these guy's may be true . So ? What is so great about them that people follow there opinion ?
truethinker People are brainwashed, or stupid. That's the reason.
Religion is not about god. What it ends up being about is power, money, 'us against them', belonging, or dependence. Most people don't give a crap about any theological story. They only care if any of those five categories can get them what they need. If they can integrate into a group setting they are happy. If I made millions off of my sheep I might feel a little guilty but I would keep on clipping them. The only ones feeling god at all are the ones getting what they want.
Kind of hits home at the 46 min mark.....the JW religion really got in the way with my mom.
17:15 Matt hits the nail. Why am I special to figure it out, what is the magic bullet?
23:15 I know people who are in a church for tax reasons only.
I like how theyre constantly clapping after each speaker finishes a sentence hah
Agnosticism, the stance where you think anything imaginable might exist, because you don't know better. The most single stupid thought process i can think of. Aron nailed it.
Gee, Matt said at 1:05:05 that he gets what other describe as a feeling of the presence of the Holy Spirit from sex, drugs and rock'n'roll.
Hey Matt, it's the end of 2022. Are you still optimistic?
I believe in Human Rights! all humans deserve equal treatment equal start, no special rights no extra rights
Shane Simpson I applaud your championing human rights but, does that include the protections for minorities established in the constitution?
The reason I ask is that, sometimes, the only way to achieve genuine equality is to establish "special" protections as policy because human societies don't naturally tend toward equality and fairness but rather inequality and segregation.
Individuals understand and pursue equality, populations do not.
...This is great!
I know I'm a little 🤏 bit late with this. I cheered on with the tax religions statement
"Yes! tax them!"
Great guys
48:31 Aron's face sums it up.
For me the over insistence of god being in everything and everything being in the bible was a starting point. Then seeing the war after 9/11 while watching the news in the US tipped me harder to get my ball on a faster roll away from delusional thinking. I then I briefly dabbled in wicca and spirituality. All of that ultimately was from my young mindedness. By 23 I was an atheist. I grew up as a fundamentalist evangelic christian and now I am the former head of the Baltimore chapter of the American Human Association's LGBTQ Humanist Council. I currently live in Huntersville, NC with my loving new atheist girlfriend/partner and our precious baby puppy Lacey.
Why does the unholytrinitydownunder.com page not come up?
38:46
Hi Guys, Assuming you have all seen The Life Of Brian, please tell me how you liked it. I think it is one of the funniest films ever made.
Owing to Ancient Greek legacies, Islamic countries were more advanced than the West between the 12th and mid 15th centuries. Then, in Spain, Catholic Isabella and Ferdinand eased progress.
Love that Arin being the devil and Matt being God
*Aron
Wow... you have to vote in Australia? One of America''s great freedoms is of abstaining, the freedom of speech means I can speak if I want, or not speak. Same with voting, I can choose to abstain from voting as a political statement if I so choose.
ShadeyBladey Greater than colon 8 oh?
***** North Korea has a mandatory voting system.
The issue with the US? The different states, you can only vote in your current district your live in. Well it is quite easy to move to another state, and frankly the city doesn't know that you live there, so you either have to register at city hall (which people only do to vote and you have to have proof of residency) or go home. Well, let's say I move to a different state within that 6 month window of the next election. I now need to prove I have lived in that new city. So I can't register in time to vote. Well now the government has to pay for a plain ticket for me to go home and vote, they can't mandate it and than make me pay for it.
Let's say they try and make me pay for it. Let's say I have no money, I have no money so I can't go and vote. I can't go and vote so they charge me a fee. I can't pay the fee. Either they let it slide or put me in jail and now pay for my meals, medical care, and roof over my head and take me from the workforce and fill an already overcrowded jail. So end story, the government can't force me or anyone else to vote unless it is willing to spend a lot of money doing so.
They either pay to transport me to the site, charge me a fee and drop it, or jail me and I'm going to get ALL my medical conditions treated on the house, mandated by law. End story the government can't force me to vote without crippling itself, it won't do that, so it won't force me. A law is useless if it has no force or repercussions behind it.
And at the end of the day you want the government to go through all this bureaucracy and waste of time and paper so I can write down the next president should be: 'Go Fuck Yourself'?
Doesn't seem smart.
***** Which would require the government to have even more knowledge on everything I do. What it comes down to is the government doesn't need to get into my business any more. What is gained from forcing apathetic and uninformed people to do something they don't want to? They're going to throw their vote to 'toss my salad'. So nothing is gained but a lot of tracking measures and unnecessary bureaucracy.
***** They actually don't. They're starving to death over in NK.
My SSN doesn't track my location. My license says I live in another state. My HOR is in another state. Yes the government does know my current address, but I've traded a lot of my constitutional rights away, I've received a lot of benefits in return though. My point? Forcing hands at politics won't make anyone care. Some people aren't wired to care about that stuff. Forcing their had will require another 3 systems to track them and people to track them and each system requires millions to set up and all on the tax payer dime.
No, they don't monitor all our phone calls. In 1 minute time they'd have 100 years of phone calls to listen to. They have computers collect metadata. Yes, it is still an invasion of privacy but in reality it doesn't do much. So why do the do it? I have no clue.
In the end, I'd rather have 40% of the population that is educated in politics make a smart choice than 100% make a dumb choice. Is it ideal? No. But we don't live in a perfect world. Not everyone has time to educate themselves on everything in existence. People have to specialize.
***** You've committed a few mistakes. First being assuming what I'm thinking. No, I got the irony and causation you were drawing. Just because it was meant as a jest doesn't mean It wasn't funny, sorry to bust your chops, it wasn't.
The second thing is you assumed all I argue for is my true position. Many things I argue for is for people's rights I don't even use myself. I can easily say the government should stay out of people's business while working for the government.
Third you did an ad hominem. Who cares? So? Sure, I'm paranoid, inbred, and actually Hitler. My argument still stands on its own.
My political opinions are actually likely to change. In the past 8 years I went from being a liberal to a conservative to being middle of the road. Why such a change? Because I absorbed more information and processed it. When I first voted at 18 I was busy trying to figure out how to establish credit, rent an apartment, get a job, pay my taxes, make friends, take care of my car. There really was way too much new information for me to make anything but passing decisions (all my classes in geometry and biology, for as much as I loved them, didn't help). Now that I have everything running too easily now I can actually sit down for long times and focus on just one thing.
It comes back to an earlier point, I voted at 18 based on less topics than I have fingers on a hand. I didn't have a clue. If my head was more level than and lest filled with mindless patriotic ideas (ones that beg not to be examined) I might have thought I shouldn't vote (actually I think I thought that but felt it was my 'duty' to vote). So that was one more uninformed vote into the pot.
Of the thousends of gods, how come agnostics are only agnostic about the christian god ?
An agnostic is athiest to all gods
Is that Adam Reakes?
Confirmed.
The desperate religionists already are repositioning, to say their God is responsible for all the amazing findings from science.
9:08 what? i need to do that again?
Yahweh does have wife, Asherah.
No one cares...
My mom was indoctrinated as a young child , church camp for 20 years or so. She has told me that she knows that god is more than likely not real and that everything that goes with religion goes against reality, she says she's OK with being wrong and she just likes it cuz it feels good and she tries to justify the reason that God hurts children and doesn't help them and gives innocent people diseases and trues to justify why it happened cuz of Adam , which is crazy, because why should all others after Adam be cursed through no fault of their own? I don't know what to tell her because she won't listen
It sounds to me like you are the one not listening. She has told you that she agrees that it's irrational and probably wrong but that she wants to hold on to it because "belief" makes her feel good/gives her comfort. She's not going to defend the bible to you because she agrees with you. You aren't likely going to get her to do that, or give up her beliefs. What are the negatives to her belief? Is she trying to force you to believe? Is she sending her rent money to Joel Osteen? Do her beliefs actually affect anyone except her? You don't have to answer me, but think about the answers. You trying to force her to admit atheism is running the chance of damaging your relationship with her. Is it worth that to you?
@@ericbussey6240 I'm not forcing her to do anything ,I don't bring up the subject of religion . I'm trying to explain to her why her belief is irrational given the proven information we have and she keeps saying her faith will not falter no matter what evidence she's presented with. I am not trying to force her into atheism , I'm simply showing her how it's ridiculous to believe or fear a god that won't heal her of cancer for the 3rd time and that If he loves us so much but allows starvation , child rape and rape in general , and for people to live in agony from diease and die very grotesque deaths no matter how hard they pray , but he still won't stop any of it or show how powerful he is by just wiping away disease or reaching down and stopping a rape , he's nothing but a fuckin asshole. He is not worthy of worship. She keeps up this more than likely false hope and just deceives herself so she can feel better. That's not a way to live , that's a mental prison. To live in fear of something and believe a horrible book about a horrible god and believe that she'll see her dead husband one day , all while having no evidence that it's real is just sad , it takes away from this life , if you live like you've got a spare one. Also to live in fear of some god because he'll send you to hell for not believing, all while not giving humans any evidence that he's there or any signs that we can understand and being seemingly impotent or maybe indifferent about the suffering of innocent people , that makes him nothing short of a piece of shit, he's not worthy of worship , hes worthy of a big spit in his face.
@@charlieclark2609 OK. All I have to go on is your post, and it sounded like she knows but is going to hold on to her beliefs anyway. You know the situation better than I do, obviously, and only you can deicide how important it is to you that she sees the truth.
"Deicide" is kind of a funny typo given the conversation.
@@ericbussey6240
I'm just explaining how much of a monster god is , I'm not trying to "kill" him. It's just very hard to watch someone you love believe in shit and be fearful and to not accept reason and evidence. That is the jist of the point I'm trying to make. I kow i don't have to even post comments like this, I'm just trying to explain thoroughly how religion poisons minds. I have no ill feelings towards you , I don't even know you, obviously.
Meh! Discourse will be OK here in the comments.
The first question. She said she knew at 5 yo. My BS detector went off the charts.
You can tell you're in a room full of intelligent, rational people who are full of wisdom when the bald guy with alongside a fat hippie talk about God not discovering masturbation until 2,000 years ago and getting a round of applause, truly enlightening.
30:00
Islam is so back drawn because Islamic countries happen to be in constant war.
And people tend to fall back to religion when they are suffering(from war and poverty(from war)). (see: 38:09)
It all started with the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and Colonization by European Countries.
Love how all three of these guys kinda look like the devil.
All but Seth.
What? They look like Ned Flanders, Homer Simpson and Comic Book guy.
How does the host know they are the proper goals ? 39:00
+Dan K Instead of making several posts throughout the comment section like a little brat throwing a fit. How about you put them all in one.
1:01 - 1:02 - I understand that you are pandering to your audience but if you read for example the book of Proverbs (I would not bring it up for the fact that you seem relentless stuck in the old testament). Why not bring up that you care about knowledge and wisdom and love still? The bible teaches all those things and it is this sort of pandering types of answers that leave people seeing your bias is so blind it leads them to Christianity. Are you intentionally trying to make sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ easier? If that is your goal your are hitting the mark.
Tom Bailey you can not have your new testament with out the OLD testament. You bible says God is Unchanging, and a Zombie supposedly said he did not come to change the laws (of the Old) not one little jot!
Shane Simpson "not one little jot!" This is an incomplete quote of Matthew 5:17. It was satan himself that did the same thing the verse goes on to say "until all is fulfilled. That happened on the cross and that is why Christians do not stone people for picking up sticks on the sabbath because who wrote the old testament? Jews. Was it Christians that wrote the old testament? Answer no. Was it Christians that wrote the old testament? No. Was Jesus a Jew? Yes. What was Jesus the most critical of? (that would take doing this thing called reading the bible) He was critical of the religious Jews. What did Jesus come to do? (ummm you would have to have read the bible) He came so that we might have life more abundantly John 10:10 - He came to establish a better covenant under better promises Hebrews 8:6. Please post more of your biblical ignorance so that it serves as a stepping stone for more people to come to the truth of Jesus Christ please.
Sorry the figures more people leaving your insanity and its not ignorance, you have your version of the myths. and the statement still stands how does your Unchanging God - Change
Shane Simpson "how does your Unchanging God - Change" - Is this a personal experience you have seen? Gods word talks about moving from "faith to faith" and "from glory to glory" and things are build "precept upon precept".
If you read the bible you will see obedience brings blessings to people, situations and circumstances and disobedience usurps Gods authority and corrupts people, circumstances and situations.
Gods word talks about it this way "set your mind on the things that are unseen because the things that are seen are temporary" - You have never seen the unseen right?
You have never read nor understood these concepts at all correct?
Ah the bible the world's most badly written book
Define justice Matt
So full of pride these two. Like they believe they are some high priests of reason that we need to bow down to worship.
Seth is dying.
Can you elaborate?
Fagan Roberts So are we all.
kingda117 I'm not. I'm immortal...until I die that is
Im an atheist (or non believer) but found this pointless. I dont understand why people clap an answer. I dont like the chidish humour on such a serious subject or issue. I respect these guys but dont like the repetition and mutual back scratching!
... Entertainment? How many tv shows would you have if not for childish humour? And the more serious the subject, the more important it is to make some humoure from it. That may just be how humour came to be in the first place.
50000 years ago: "I didnt manage to catch anything today honey. "insert joke to lighten the mood"
The meaning of life is an irrelevant question ? You get that from Dawkins mr ra ?
Where are the living transitionals ? Point just one to me please.
If a cow and whale are the same animal thing soup whatever, point out a half half animal thing living today. Shouldn't be a problem.
Dan K that isn't how it works, dumbass. if you take two distantly related species, and trace their lineages backwards, eventually you will find a common ancestor
Dan K you're a funny guy, you get my dumbest TH-camr of the week award, many congratulations it must have taken years of not going to science class to get to where you have gotten to, you have my deepest sympathies.
Shit all you show here is that you have no idea what evolution is . Try reading book number 2
Wow the host brought up magic again, his sitting next to two masters of magic lol
Religion is a Faith based belief system mr. Ra ?
We believe Christ existed and there is historical reference to support this claim. Just destroyed your argument is is purely faith based.
Lol questioner. Scared of having your dad talk and challenge your understandings ?
Wow aron, demonstrate and provide evidence that humanity and life for that matter are products of nature. Regress it back to the start for me bud!
Are these people for real ?
Host, define truth please. Lol he didn't ahahaha
Matt thinks his such a god with his intellect in his judgement of religion.
Strawman
Better yet define justice and give the components of what makes up justice.
Wow aron, science is so dynamic with 'facts' that yesterday's truth is today's falsehood. Another magician it seems. Reminds me of Neo in the matrix doing bullet time.
Reason lol. Opposed to reason lol as you claim. It is prideful of the professed atheist magic Matt to claim that Christians reject reason and that he and his paradigm are the saviours and guardians of reason. My Lord please help him.
Why mock the name of God with such a tour title if you believe that God does not exist ? Why not have the non santas tour or something. Why do so called atheists hardly ever debate muslims also, why focus on Christianity so much ? Is it because they all know deep down God exists ?
Dan K because not many people are trying to pass laws based on believing in santa.
Last i checked islam didnt make up 70% of world religion
Evolution lol that so 1800's the world has moved on.
I laff how they claim all science belongs to them. How arrogant of these two.
Well believers don't seem to want it
Blah blah blah honestly do you magicians even ever advance a debate/controversy/discussion ?
JOIN NRA 2016.
Lol there goes Magic Matt again always attacking while never offering anything to defend.
Atheism is the religion of subjectivity.
Dan K atheism isnt a religion
Solipsism Matt ! And I hate how aron says God does not exist, you would have to be God to know this. Major claims by him his baby brain cannot know according to his stated paradigm.