Matt Dillahunty - Unholy Trinity Down Under: "Why Won't You Love Me?" (Version 2)

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  • In March of 2015, the Atheist Foundation of Australia hosted atheist activists Matt Dillahunty, Aron Ra and Seth Andrews (under the tongue-in-cheek tour title, "The Unholy Trinity Down Under").
    The speakers' presentations from Sydney, Brisbane and Melbourne are posted on AFA's tour website: www.unholytrini...
    Special thanks to the AFA: atheistfoundati...

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  • @tylershepard4269
    @tylershepard4269 9 ปีที่แล้ว +269

    I used to be Christian myself. Within these last six months, I started questioning, and found my answer. I am now atheist and I feel so free. I had a nightmare last night however that I was judged by God and sent to hell. I woke up realizing that it's all a bunch of bullcrap, but unfortunately, I was exposed to religious brainwashing for 18 years, and that's what it does to a person.

    • @johnnypetersen94
      @johnnypetersen94 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Zissou Moonshot
      I don't know how I ever aquired this ability, but I have been able to take control of myself in a dream and stop it. I won't bother with why it happened, but because of circumstances in my life I was having really bad nightmares. During one of these nightmares, in which some really hair raising shit was happening, I simply stopped what I was doing in the dream and layed down and closed my eyes. As soon as I closed my eyes I would wake up thus ending the dream. I was able to do this every time after that.
      I am going to research what you suggested. Although I am not having the same nightmares any longer, it would be nice to end them without having to wake up, if they ever start occurring again.

    • @crystalheart9
      @crystalheart9 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The last bit I had to let go of was fear, listening to Matt helped me to overcome this.

    • @exzelcic
      @exzelcic 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tyler Shepard well hello :)

    • @groovyme1234
      @groovyme1234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You know, just bc you discovered that religion is bullshit, doesnt mean there is no God

    • @charlieclark2609
      @charlieclark2609 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Even if there is a God and he does send me to hell, he can still go fuck himself cuz he's a fucking asshole. You can't misinterpret the horrible shit in the bible. And it doesn't even say , for example , in exodus 21 about slaves, no where does God pop in and tell them oh hey don't that, it's not nice and it hurts people . What kind of fucking cunt god does that ?

  • @bonnie43uk
    @bonnie43uk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    I always loved your analogy Matt where you asked "Would you ever construct a torture chamber in your basement for your kids if they refused to love you"?. What kind of loving parent would do that to his own children??.. none that I know of.

    • @kingda117
      @kingda117 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      bonnie43uk Joseph Fritzl! His carpentry/construction skills were adequate too.

    • @bonnie43uk
      @bonnie43uk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      kingda117 That's true, but I wouldn't describe him as a loving parent.

    • @kingda117
      @kingda117 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bonnie43uk True dat :)

    • @suvarenee
      @suvarenee 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      bonnie43uk I've always loved that analogy too!

    • @bonnie43uk
      @bonnie43uk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Kitty BooBoo The bible DOES say that unbelievers will go to Hell. Also what would happen if any of those list of people you've described above *genuinely* have an epiphany moment at the end of their lives and see the error of their ways and *genuinely* accept Christ as their savior and repent. Does Jesus forgive them, as the bible says?

  • @crystalheart9
    @crystalheart9 6 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Even as a kid I couldn't understand how an all powerful god kept messing up and have to start over again. Listening to Matt helped me to finally let go of all of these crazy fantasy beliefs.

    • @michaelflamingsword3131
      @michaelflamingsword3131 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why are you blaming God ? Why are you not blaming yourself and others that made choices that are irrevocably.

    • @letters_from_paradise
      @letters_from_paradise 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@michaelflamingsword3131 Because he created humans knowing that if he created them in the way that he did they would screw up his plans. Either he intended for them to screw up his plans and is just a dick, or he's an idiot who can't seem to make even a working prototype of his design.

    • @infiniteoctopaw
      @infiniteoctopaw 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Michael FlamingSword I don’t create Satan. God did.

    • @Menemen98
      @Menemen98 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Why would you blame yourself for something that literally has nothing to do with you and how is this a logical view.

    • @crystalheart9
      @crystalheart9 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I guess when I was 7years old I didn't have much logic yet.@@Menemen98

  • @Dave_AI
    @Dave_AI 9 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    You just keep getting better and better Matt. At this rate, I can see you becoming the most sought after atheist speaker in the world.

    • @sleepyd1231
      @sleepyd1231 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Ezzio I think he's closing on Hitchen status.

    • @sleepyd1231
      @sleepyd1231 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Just my opinion, PS I love orangutans. I volunteer at my local zoo and specifically work as a docent on siamangs and orangutans. Its great fun, genius animals

    • @dlevitt0508
      @dlevitt0508 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dylan Ost Matt is becoming a star for reason but Christopher is a legend. When Matt demands and commands the attention from world leaders, religious leaders, global news media and every pastor and imam from Bombay to Beirut to Topeka Kansas, then shall the crown of reason be passed. Ha!

    • @sleepyd1231
      @sleepyd1231 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      dlevitt0508 I suppose, I think it's slightly a hype thing.I thing hitchens had a bigger following, and that's why he commanded more attention.

    • @sleepyd1231
      @sleepyd1231 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ClumsyRoot Yes, his rhetoric and syntax is superior. I assume thats probably because he was a journalist. However I think Matt's arguments are on par to Chris's

  • @Yorker1998
    @Yorker1998 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Matt Dillahunty has come a long way hasn't he? My favorite atheist.

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      FK YOU A HOL

  • @battleangel9393
    @battleangel9393 6 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I love people like Matt ,he strengthens my atheist understanding because being a believer for so many years makes it hard sometimes , the sentiment for god can be so strong , but logic prevails and Matt helps a lot ,, we need more people like him!

  • @lightningbug276
    @lightningbug276 7 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thank you, Matt, for mentioning the pastors with second jobs. That was my family's situation. It was rough.

  • @MrNckissfan
    @MrNckissfan 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Perhaps one of the very best speeches I have ever heard. So inspiring that I found myself having to listen to it more than once while working an overnight shift.

  • @eddypasatrino2039
    @eddypasatrino2039 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    35:50 "Gods playing an eternal game of hide and seek" Yep, that pretty much sums up my entire Christian Baptist life growing up.

  • @adamg8974
    @adamg8974 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is the best talk you've done do far. Thank you for all the work you do for the atheist community.

  • @jackpamm2457
    @jackpamm2457 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow. What a brilliant speech.. especially, the ending. So far, my favorite of Matt's.

  • @MiokeDokey
    @MiokeDokey 9 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    That is becoming quite the philosopher's beard.

    • @Penningtontj
      @Penningtontj 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Red Hunteur Try theater vocal lessons. Best way to make your voice reach the back of a room unassisted.

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      FK YOU A HOL

  • @klausm5460
    @klausm5460 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The contributions of the Four Horsemen and many of the critical thinkers we cherish so much are all very well and important, but nobody gets to the point so precisely and directly like Matt Dillahunty. Loved the giant analogy. Carry on!

  • @johnbrennan2037
    @johnbrennan2037 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Matt as an ex catholic brought up in the West of Scotland in the sixties and seventies in a family of Irish decent I'm sure you can imagine the guilt trip that was laid down on on when in my early teens the blinkers fell away and I seen the the church and religion in general for what it is. Anyway thanks a million for sharing the Atheist Experience and all your other talks and debates I am in awe at your self control when dealing with the termialy deluded such as Sye Ten
    Best regards and keep up the good work.
    John

  • @MarkRosengarten
    @MarkRosengarten 9 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    Really outstanding work, sir. With every presentation you give you get more refined, more polished and more amazing in your reasoning. You do magic to impress the eye but the real magic here is in impressing the mind using not prestidigitation but the hard, honest truth.

    • @MarkRosengarten
      @MarkRosengarten 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If anyone tried to take my cats there would likely be a murder investigation afterward. :) Thanks for the kind word! Happy New Year to you and yours!!!

  • @LucasMidkiff
    @LucasMidkiff 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you so much Matt. You've helped me more than I could ever explain.

  • @mshine5
    @mshine5 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I believe you have fulfilled your calling to show people the way to the truth. Kudo's Sir.

  • @waveman0
    @waveman0 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I am sad I missed this live, would have been great to go and watch.

  • @shadowmax889
    @shadowmax889 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    To those christians who says that the old testament do not aply anymore my response is Mathew 5:17

  • @brucenovotny5924
    @brucenovotny5924 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of the best arguments and reasoning I've EVER heard...
    Thank you...

  • @dantewolvera7411
    @dantewolvera7411 8 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Boom. Matt Dillahunty ladies and gentlemen, getting the wheels in your head turning again.
    Thanks Matt.

  • @vsrorrer
    @vsrorrer 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You have shaken this Christian gal to the core.,..seriously shaken!!!.

    • @Daisy-cu5tu
      @Daisy-cu5tu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi vicky. I often wish I could see God, have Him sit and talk to me. I even once after a car accident, said okay I am not a Christian. I sat and told myself, now what? I felt His spirit distance himself from me. That went on for a few weeks. I remember feeling empty inside. I was at church and said please come back to me. I did feel His presence and it felt like a cool breeze on a hot day.
      I have a video called "the privileged planet". If you can find it, you will be amazed at our place in the universe. Everything around us is designed, I know that God is the designer. I know that I always want more from God. But it is clear to me that God is really in control. Before you decide to believe this man, read the Bible and let God speak to you. 💛

    • @2010hy
      @2010hy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Daisy-cu5tu this guy read the bible.

  • @nontheistdavid
    @nontheistdavid 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Actually in the tower of babel story it originally states that WE came down. This is residue of the polytheism that existed before monotheism among the jews.

    • @nontheistdavid
      @nontheistdavid 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Red Hunteur
      Exactly. You know your stuff. I like how after adapting Yahweh as their own they denigrated the other gods they use to worship like Baal as being the shit in essence.
      Plus people rarely mention that the Jews in fact did engage in child sacrifice. It was one of their "innovations" to quit doing it (How nice of them)
      Dagon was used by Lovecraft in his stories:)

    • @BamaFanEdge
      @BamaFanEdge 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ***** Being raised as YEC, I was taught that this, along with "let us create man in our image" is a reference to the trinity. But we only believed in one god... except when there were three.

    • @nontheistdavid
      @nontheistdavid 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      BamaFanEdge
      Yep. Thats the hindsight rationalization that is used. What's fascinating is that this is precisely how the gospels writers created their narrative for Jesus. They looked at the hebrew bible in hindsight for "clues" about Jesus.

    • @lilabdennour
      @lilabdennour 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      ***** You're twisting Shit around for your own understanding. If you're an honest skeptic, the question will be " why would the followers of Jesus Christ spread a lie and die for Bullshit" they knew him personally. And no they weren't delusional, that's the dumbest answer if that all you got... And history proves the man existed.. God bless you 😃

    • @nontheistdavid
      @nontheistdavid 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Eli Abz
      "why would the followers of Jesus Christ spread a lie and die for Bullshit"
      You are not very bright This is question begging. It assumes A. A Jesus existed. B. They consciously spread lies. I guess its never occurred to you that the people actually believed the nonsense and died for it not knowing it was nonsense. Dying for something doesn't prove it was real! In fact Jews were dying for their beliefs at that time in spades. The Maccabees revolts involved martyrs who would rather die , and DID, than eat UNCLEAN FOOD. They died over FOOD. People die for all kinds of ideologies that aren't true. . The Hale Bopp cult in the 20th century died for their idiotic beliefs. I could write page after page of people who died for beliefs that were manifestly untrue.
      "they knew him personally."
      ROFL Laughing. The Gospels aren't eyewitness accounts sherlock. They were all written post Jewish war 70 ce.This is common knowledge amongst scholars. and even layman. Paul did not know any historical Jesus and he even said he did not receive his gospel from ANY MAN. He mentions nothing biogprahical about a Jesus. He just speaks of a Spiritual Christ . that he derived "according to scripture" (created it from scripture) By the way the Damascus vision was NOT written by Paul , that is in Acts (Which was not written by him and Acts contradicts what Paul has said !) which has been proven to be fiction. None of the epistles mention ANYTHING about a historical Jesus. At least six of Pauls epistles are proven FORGERIES :)
      "You twisting shit around" Ad hoc rationalization nonsense. You are too stupid to realize that the first Jewish Christian have twisted things around. Its called hindsight bias Projecting ones view into the past text. and not realizing it has nothing to do with the present:) This is precisely how your gospels were created .
      ."And no they weren't delusional, that's the dumbest answer if that all you got... And history proves the man existed.."
      History does not prove a Jesus There are NO contemporary sources that talk about a historical Jesus and in fact we know interpolations (FORGERIES) were put into various histories by LYING Christians in a desperate attempt to try and prove their Christ :) Perfect example is Josephus.
      And you say I have a dumb answer
      The delusion is strong with you:)

  • @A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid
    @A-Milkdromeda-Laniakea-Hominid 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a treat to see his best work, for free 👍🏻
    Thanks Matt.

  • @nordy2010
    @nordy2010 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That was simply awesome! Wonderful speech, Matt Dillahunty !!! Off to watch Aron and Seth!

  • @arlangaming3022
    @arlangaming3022 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    the best talk on atheism i have ever seen/heard.

  • @Bobvanksy
    @Bobvanksy 9 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    The Tower of Babel sounds like pure comedy gold to witness.
    Big construction site, gazing Babylonian sun most likely behind schedule and everyone is grumpy as hell. then out of the blue every worker start yelling angry gibberish at each other in a hundred different languages.

    • @barrone10001
      @barrone10001 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Halick sounds pretty much like any big construction site in the UK. Without the sun of course.

    • @ancientflames
      @ancientflames ปีที่แล้ว

      The real story is worse. God actually came down and destroyed the tower and killed most of the people.

  • @TheSnoopy1750
    @TheSnoopy1750 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great talk Matt!
    My favorite part was 30:19 - 31:23 as it summarizes how irrational the theist "I rely on faith" argument is.

  • @johnrubik4582
    @johnrubik4582 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for sharing your work, sir. Being able to hear this meant a lot for at least one small time skeptic.

  • @Sahuagin
    @Sahuagin 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "guilt cycle" exactly. this is why just about ANY thing that's "fun" is something that's in some way a "sin". be it alcohol, sex/masturbation, pot, even things like over-eating, or in some cases even extending it to ANYTHING you enjoy at all, like watching movies, video games, even basic hobbies (sometimes these are called 'idol' worship). anything that can be identified as something that you as a person particularly enjoy, so that it can be turned against you, and that it can be used to "tether" you to the church, since you are likely to continue wanting them, (and since forcing yourself not to do the things you enjoy will only make you want them all the more.)

  • @thebipolarbear2639
    @thebipolarbear2639 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Matt, I too am an Atheist, and FINALLY you did a LIVE on stage performance that was a great speech. I am an Aussie. I am soooo happy your confidence has grown. I have watched all your previous AthiestExperience shows. Now you are getting up there with Hitch and Dawks. cheers brother

  • @Multi1628
    @Multi1628 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ~ A great Sunday sermon, and far superior to anything currently being heard in mega-"churches" or on cable tv ~
    Self-deception is a great term: I also like willful ignorance. Thank you, Matt ~ Cheers, DAVEDJ ~

  • @Troubleshooter125
    @Troubleshooter125 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    _Fuck him; we're better off on our own._
    -- Matt Dillahunty
    To which I add a resounding *HEAR HEAR!!!*

  • @letters_from_paradise
    @letters_from_paradise 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's like getting payed less at work and the employer saying "You don't understand my economic ways, I'm brilliant at economying things."

  • @spacewolf5462
    @spacewolf5462 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So Awesome!
    Keep us posted if you're ever up in the Pacific Northwest, since I'd love to hear you speak.

  • @YOSUP315
    @YOSUP315 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Maybe the tower was supposed to be like a lighthouse. So that no matter where someone was on the flat earth, they could always see the tower and find their way back to civilization.
    "Lest we be scattered abroad upon the [flat]face of the earth"

    • @jmh31890
      @jmh31890 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you asserting the earth is flat?

  • @Largo64
    @Largo64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    For a guy who was once terrified of public speaking, Matt, you are a damned good speaker. I enjoy listening to your talks, even though you did get cranky one day and unfriend me on Facebook. ;^)

  • @wakemore27
    @wakemore27 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I absolutely love the closing speech, not that I didn't enjoy the entirety of this video. It's just the last part, and the analogy of the giant, spoke volumes and will likely fall on deaf ears when it comes to many "believers" which is unfortunate.

  • @suvarenee
    @suvarenee 9 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Loved this presentation! Especially when you make God sound like a disorganized dolt in his creation account. Hadn't thought about that particular point before...."It suddenly dawns upon God that Adam needs a woman helper and so he decides to create Eve." lol

    • @LesBell
      @LesBell 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I was in the audience - a fun night!

    • @blackraptor311
      @blackraptor311 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Les Bell Lucky you. I live closer to Aronra than you (I live in Oklahoma) and ironically you see him.

    • @suvarenee
      @suvarenee 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Les Bell No fair Les!

    • @suvarenee
      @suvarenee 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Les Bell No fair Les!

    • @blackraptor311
      @blackraptor311 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      suvarenee
      No. It's fair. We may not like it but it's fair. He was there, were are not. Simple as that.

  • @wakemore27
    @wakemore27 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Appreciate your dedication to educating others in the understanding of atheism and humanism and secularism and glad we have someone like you who is so rational and eloquent and coherent out there speaking on our behave, though I understand it is more than just that for you. It also doesn't hurt that you're a magician and have a good sense of humor.
    Thank you.

  • @ronaldov09
    @ronaldov09 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Both of these versions are fantastic.

  • @kruleworld
    @kruleworld 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    "all those great thinkers are just 'too dumb' to understand my brilliance"; This is the exact argument i hear from Creationists and Flat Earthers. They can't do basic math, but their ideas apparently are more correct than those of people who done it all their lives and actually worked out the science behind it, and had checked and confirmed by other people.

    • @stop.juststop
      @stop.juststop 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They quote bible verses about how foolish we are without taking into account the foolishness of believing such extraordinary claims without evidence. Indoctrination is one hell of a brain blocker.

    • @TheRobdarling
      @TheRobdarling 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is the power and delusion of ego.

  • @myksgrl
    @myksgrl 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is so awesome!! Thank you Matt

  • @jasonng3745
    @jasonng3745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    30:06 "I would rather burn, and know that I am better than the person who is burning me."

  • @redshift40
    @redshift40 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Bravo Matt. Outstanding!

  • @11shovel11
    @11shovel11 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very good Matt, I really enjoy watching/hearing you speak..I wish the Unholy Trinity tour would do more U.S.A. dates..

  • @Hapuniva
    @Hapuniva 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Its a great summary for all religion. We are better off with it.

  • @NidusFormicarum
    @NidusFormicarum 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    But the christians say that Eve was deceived, but not Adam. What's this good/evil-thing about in the first place? So Eve sinned by making her own decision and not asking Adam and Adam choosed intentionally to sin because he loved Eve. How is it then in any snese fair to them to let them be punished? If they were perfect, but sinned, then how could they possibly have been perfect if perfect mean that you never sin?

  • @spencerthomas913
    @spencerthomas913 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Perfect. The closing line was my favorite. So simple and yet it packed a punch so well. "Fuck him." Could not agree more.

  • @johnhernandez659
    @johnhernandez659 6 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    good job matt.

    • @MegaMiir
      @MegaMiir 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jonathan Hernandez
      As always!

  • @freespuddy
    @freespuddy 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Love this talk. Is it available in written form?

  • @reasonrally6658
    @reasonrally6658 9 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Beautiful Matt..you continue to open my mind to reality. I was a Christian who was afraid to ask the logical questions too..the deprogramming takes time and its hard to find open minded people. Everyone seems to be brain dead and afraid and straight ignorant! Lmao!

  • @lcvamp242
    @lcvamp242 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm going to have to use that Giant metaphor.

  • @Torvar
    @Torvar 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    What do you think of this syllogism?
    Premises:
    You cannot choose to believe or disbelieve in X.
    Justification of X is required to believe in X.
    Presuppositions have no justification.
    Conclusion:
    Presuppositions are not beliefs.
    The moment you attempt to justify a presupposition you aren't presupposing it anymore.

    • @LimitedWish
      @LimitedWish 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Torva I think this is neither valid nor sound.
      C = Presuppositions are unjustified beliefs. That is, presuppositions cannot be believed or disbelieved. They are still beliefs (conceptually), they just shouldn't be believed.
      Also "Justification of X is required to believe in X" should say either "Being convinced of X is required to believe in X" or "Justification of X is required to reasonably/rationally believe in X". In the latter case, the conclusion would be "Presuppositions are not reasonable beliefs".

    • @Torvar
      @Torvar 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      BuchMaster Zero I only mentioned it because in the video he said that you cannot choose to believe in something. You either believe or you don't believe. That belief is the state of being convinced. I think that presupposing something is not the state of being convinced. If you are convinced of something there is no need to presuppose it.

    • @LimitedWish
      @LimitedWish 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Torva
      "You either believe or you don't believe. That belief is the state of being convinced."
      Not believing is the state of not being convinced. I think you're trying to address two sides of an argument as if they are one.
      For example, take the statement 'X is either true or false'. The assertion of non-belief in X (not being convinced that X is true) is not the assertion that X is false. It is a fact that it is either true or false, but 'X is false' is a separate assertion and does not necessarily follow from a rejection (not being convinced) of the truth claim.
      Saying 'I am not convinced that X is true' is a neutral position; it offers no belief. That's why I said "C = Presuppositions are unjustified beliefs. That is, presuppositions cannot be believed or disbelieved.

    • @Torvar
      @Torvar 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      BuchMaster Zero You make good points. I see it as that someone makes a presupposition as the start of an argument Making the presupposition or assertion does not mean that they believe it, just that is where their are starting the argument argument from.
      If they think that they can get truth from the conclusion then it might be a belief? Otherwise it seems like a hypothetical syllogism to me. In hypotheticals you don't need to believe what you are asserting.
      I guess I am equating presuppositional premises with a hypothetical premise.

    • @Torvar
      @Torvar 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      BuchMaster Zero Thinking about it more I think that if presuppositions are unjustified beliefs then they are choosing to believe it which violates the first premise which is something he said in the video was true.

  • @groovyme1234
    @groovyme1234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm an anti-religious theist. That was brilliant. You got to love Matt

  • @kayzak5785
    @kayzak5785 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Matt Dillahunty You kinda did become a minister. Maybe god set you up as the jester in his grand theatrical performance. Good job. You're awesome.

  • @kaliklav
    @kaliklav 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Come on, Australia... first 15 minutes constant low-mid frequency feedback on the mic

  • @ethiomel9444
    @ethiomel9444 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    God destroys the world few time, but he never destroys the devil the real source of sinful.
    It was good opportunity after Noah’s to eliminate the threats right there kill the devil and start fresh from Noah’s family and let the world repopulate fresh peaceful humans without devil.,
    But God does the same thing and expects different outcome? What is that about, kills humans and expect different outcomes without destroying the real source of evil the devil

  • @topcat2069
    @topcat2069 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've said it before, Matt may be our replacement for Christopher Hitchen, and I'll say it again. Matt's logic is always spot on and lethal to the bad logic he get presented to him by the believers who think they know everything.

  • @Knightyme
    @Knightyme 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool I can see myself in the audience - 17:46
    Great talk Matt.

  • @ZimVader13
    @ZimVader13 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Other than being in love I will never understand how people can believe something without some kind of demonstratable evidence. Even as a kid I questioned and pointed out all the illogical and stupid things in Christianity and other things people try to teach. I understand there are some people that need to believe in something but I guess it's just something you have to experience to comprehend because I just cant

  • @nickaplz69
    @nickaplz69 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great talk! Gtta go to one one day

  • @gryzman
    @gryzman 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    So I wonder how do you do it Matt then, the levitation. The tricks that street "magicians" do require prep, and a bit of a support structure - not something you can pull out of your pocket :P

  • @danmiller6462
    @danmiller6462 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great speech.

  • @mendaciousc5208
    @mendaciousc5208 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliantly put.

  • @JFrazer4303
    @JFrazer4303 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let's say the available bandwidth for sharing data is much greater when in a dream than just a voice in his head.

  • @tsidebottom101010
    @tsidebottom101010 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "We're all stupid about something at some point."

  • @bookwermofthefandoms
    @bookwermofthefandoms 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    If creating is an action, and actions take time, then you don't have time... to make time. 9:00 😂

  • @drstrangelove09
    @drstrangelove09 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Matt is great!

  • @watcher7180
    @watcher7180 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I vote for version one. It was much more entertaining.

  • @jaynerulo6785
    @jaynerulo6785 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I lived next door to that Six Flags, that dance club was only open a few years. I went there almost every weekend (what you do when you live in Eureka Mo). I'd bet the 47 cents I have to my name, I was there when he was there.

  • @adelarscheidt
    @adelarscheidt 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Am I allowed to mirror the video with subtitles in portuguese? No monetization involved.

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      FK -YOU A HOL

    • @MendTheWorld
      @MendTheWorld 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i hope you received a reply. Matt is not really in this for the money, so i suspect there would be no objection. Try contacting the Atheist Community of Austin.

    • @eileendover3938
      @eileendover3938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glenn parent haven’t you got anything worthwhile to say?

  • @captainstinkyvonpoopberg4925
    @captainstinkyvonpoopberg4925 9 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Where do I find the audio for the chat with the street preacher(s)?

    • @SansDeity
      @SansDeity  9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Timothy Edgar Working on that, for May, probably. Adam Reakes at Herd Mentality podcast posted some of it, I think.

    • @nontheistdavid
      @nontheistdavid 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Matt Dillahunty Hey Matt your bald head and beard always make me think of the science fiction author Neil Stephenson. Go look up his pic. Great talk as usual.

    • @nontheistdavid
      @nontheistdavid 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Matt Dillahunty The quote on being a happy drunk is George Bernard Shaw.

    • @videowatcherBD
      @videowatcherBD 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +VI Spex 7

    • @ChaingunCassidy
      @ChaingunCassidy 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Timothy Edgar I see that guy every week on the steps of Sydney Town Hall.

  • @Bornonlyonce
    @Bornonlyonce 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can't find the Q&A session. Link please?

  • @nitehawk86
    @nitehawk86 9 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Wait, Australia has street preachers? I thought this was only a thing in the US.

    • @ronaldov09
      @ronaldov09 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      nitehawk86 I have never seen one, not in Hobart anyway.

    • @GraemeWoller
      @GraemeWoller 9 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      nitehawk86 Yeah, we have a bunch in New Zealand too. That's where Ray Comfort came from. We can never apologise enough.

    • @screw0dog
      @screw0dog 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      nitehawk86 Here in Perth we have literally one or two. They're quite a novelty.

    • @ronaldov09
      @ronaldov09 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ***** Gawd. Both Ham and Banana Man come from our beautiful countries...the shame!

    • @TheMarsCydonia
      @TheMarsCydonia 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      nitehawk86 Do they qualify as street preachers if they only stand next to a pamphlet stand but do not actually shout or do much of any engaging from their street corner? We have some of those in Montreal, Canada.

  • @twstf8905
    @twstf8905 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hahaha "Poor little people in my game." 🤣

  • @robertpresley1503
    @robertpresley1503 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Is this 2 different speeches? It looks like the stage changed halfway through the video.

    • @swedishlina
      @swedishlina 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      robert presley it is two venues in two cities, Sydney and Brisbane.

  • @ari1234a
    @ari1234a 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    To kill a god you only need a cross.

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      FK -YOU A HOL

    • @eileendover3938
      @eileendover3938 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Glenn parent still cranky?

    • @metalhead0274
      @metalhead0274 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Follow the god that failed..held back by the deepened nail...

  • @craigcartwright8351
    @craigcartwright8351 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, Matt.

  • @avi8r66
    @avi8r66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've changed my tactic a bit when a believer tries to convert or sway me. Rather than getting into word definition games, or burden of proof discussions, or evidence discussions, I just start of with, "Let's assume for the sake of this discussion that everything in the bible is true, it's fact, it actually happened and correctly depicts God, Jesus, et al. Now, why should I love God, why should I praise and worship him? Other than creating our lives in what way has he earned our love and praise. Because the bible I have read depicts this being as quite the villain, a monster. But please, give me some reasons to love and worship this being."

  • @markaaron9957
    @markaaron9957 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Much better than version one. I don't know which was worse, my cringeing or my urges to shout "get on with it!"

  • @larrywest4130
    @larrywest4130 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i would like to know how i can send a thank you to the friend of matt that converted him from theist . the world is a better place from the work he does and i look up to him and. so thank you friend of matt!!!!!

  • @johnmcleod8961
    @johnmcleod8961 หลายเดือนก่อน

    as much as I love these theistic/atheistic debates...after hearing so many of them they really are getting tired...yea yea, I'm as rogue as any 15 yo...but I certainly think much more mature than that...but I still have the same rebellious nature...and that's just it: my nature....so I think and grow up...religionist: "I'll pray for you"; C. Hitchens: "and I'll THINK for you."

  • @brucebaker810
    @brucebaker810 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder... Just heard the bible quote with, Jehovah (alone? Or getting a posse of gods together?) "Let us go down and..." That and other quotes have fueled debate that the Jews were originally polytheists. But it made me think of something else. The "royal we". How it became a widespread thing for kings and queens to refer to themselves as "we". I wonder if the Royal We...stems from the Divine We. (After all, kings claimed "divine right" to rule.) And if the Divine We came from "you didn't sufficiently edit out the polytheism from your monotheistic book there Moses".

  • @korncows1
    @korncows1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    When i began questioning the existance of God esp thr Christian god, I had so many problems with how nothing made sense. But my last thing to do was read the bible again and see if it explains anything or if it even wad accurate . thats whete Matt has helped as it saved me time to study the bible to find these flaws, he brought them right to my attention and showed me exsctly what i needed to see to finally have a answer i could stand behind on the existamcr of God: no. And now I struggle to find meaning in life...it hasnt been a great thing finding out the truth, but it atleast is the truth. And now i learn to cope .

  • @transsylvanian9100
    @transsylvanian9100 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    The tower of Babel story always reminds me of the Akalabêth, the Downfall of Numenor in the Second Age. It makes more sense if you see it in the setting that once upon a time Heaven was actually reachable if you only went high enough - just like Valinor could once be reached by simply sailing to the West.
    So a Tower was actually a threat to the dominion of God over the celestial realm who, in a very Oedipal sense was afraid of being usurped and replaced by his own creation just like when the Men of Numenor, being envious of the immortality of the Firstborn, assembled a grand armada and sailed onto Valinor seeking to conquer it.
    And in the same way as the Valar, in their destruction and sinking of the realm of the Numenòrians, also detached Valinor from Middle Earth and made it inaccessible to all but the Eldar, so too heaven was subsequently detached after the events of the Tower of Babel so that God did not have to fear assault by mortals anymore.
    This version of the mythology makes for a much better story, it's more entertaining, more dramatized, and the character of God is much more well rounded as an antagonist (or protagonist depending on your point of view). Of course Tolkien's version is still better because not only does it explain the Sinking of "Atlantis" but it also explains why the earth was once flat and is now round: so that no matter how far Men sail westwards they will never again the Holy Land of Aman, instead now merely arriving back where they started.

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      FK YOU GOOF

    • @eileendover3938
      @eileendover3938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glenn parent is that all you have? You’re pathetic.

  • @dylancoleman1921
    @dylancoleman1921 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    22:55 “he just kept getting louder”. Sounds like Frank Turek.

  • @jayleneellis9308
    @jayleneellis9308 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I liked "Why Won't You Love Me?" (Version 1) much more.

  • @kristinehayes4744
    @kristinehayes4744 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Brisbane one, I was there. :)

    • @bigm383
      @bigm383 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      John Bowler much less than the happy clapping God botherers here in Australia.

  • @jinxy72able
    @jinxy72able 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish you could get booked some place that would want you to do the 1st version of this (as God) again. Since the original has some audio problems. It would be nice to have a clear recording. It's one of my favorites.

  • @hellobaldy999
    @hellobaldy999 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I went to the Sydney event and Matts talk was a little disappointing when he was doing it from God's perspective. The message is a lot clearer in this version.

  • @munstrumridcully
    @munstrumridcully 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @5:13-- Of course! That explains everything, Noah's Ark was a TARDIS! Why didn't I think of that!? I repent of my godless skepticism! ;-)

    • @frankt9156
      @frankt9156 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      How funny would it be if they do an episode where doctor who come back in time save a family in the flood and it becomes the Noah story.

  • @charlieclark2609
    @charlieclark2609 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My mom has stage 4 cancer and I'm needing advise on how I'm gonna get over not seeing her again after she's gone. At least , I don't believe I'll see her again , I'm not sure what's after this life , if anything. But being raised chriatian and being told you'll see loved ones again in heaven and then finding out that it is probably a lie is a very unnerving thing to think about. But I've gotten over other loved ones dying and I didn't believe I'd see them again , and my stepdad dies while I gave him cpr and I didn't think I'd see him again , so maybe I can somehow get over my mom's death before it even happens , somehow. Advice from anyone who cares to give it is greatly appreciated

    • @ethiomel9444
      @ethiomel9444 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jay Rogers give it a time. Nothing is forever , We all have ticking clock. Enjoy your life as much as you can. If there is a god, where was God, when kids get abused or killed, starve to death , what kind of God denies babies, children’s basic necessity for living and then demands thankfulness? simply cannot forgive a god who stands by and watches while kids die from lack of water, that the basic necessities of life.

    • @Daisy-cu5tu
      @Daisy-cu5tu 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Jay.
      My mom died 25 years ago, my dad died last year. I have been in chronic pain for many years.
      God told us "this is not our home." This life is the journey, the destination is heaven. He did heal some people, but not all. I would love it if God would take away my pain. But as much as I want this miracle in my life or for anybody that is sick, God promised that He would walk with us. I have constant pain, I have few friends, I have been to so many Dr's and no one knows what is going on in my body. In the Bible in the book of Hebrews, it talks about unanswered prayer. So from where I stand, I thank God for His promise and I will be in a place that will not have sickness or sorrow. This man is saying, stay in the car and never get out. God said something like, get in the car and drive for a while, when you do stop and get out of the car you will see that the car was your journey and you are now at your distination. We do have purpose in this life. Read and study your Bible. I know you will find rest for your soul.

    • @charlieclark2609
      @charlieclark2609 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Daisy-cu5tu
      I don't believe books I believe evidence . Fuck your God and Fuck Christ

    • @hansspa3892
      @hansspa3892 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Daisy. So for all the misery and heartache you still thank god??

  • @franciscojeronimo5881
    @franciscojeronimo5881 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    13.30m It's cause dreams are audiovisual and they didn't had TV at the time.

  • @gandalf7361
    @gandalf7361 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Freaks me out that some used to be christian,i've always been an atheist,i was born an atheist.Hehe

    • @tim-climber84
      @tim-climber84 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We are all born atheists, but some of us are indoctrinated as children. I believed the world was 6000 years old until I was 27. I wasn't an atheist until I was 30, the human brain is capable of some amazing things, and not all are good (especially the faith bit).

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      FK YOU GOOF

    • @hansspa3892
      @hansspa3892 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glenn parent. Oh Glenn, ask yourself;What would Jesus do?”

    • @eileendover3938
      @eileendover3938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glenn parent poor childish idiot.

  • @shondalee4392
    @shondalee4392 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very well said Matt.

  • @benmoore1097
    @benmoore1097 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You heard it here, first, people! Or second, if you did watch V1. Matt; "I love foreskin!" Lol. Really though, awesome talk!

  • @godlesswolf5816
    @godlesswolf5816 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    "bang... I made everything! ... Cool..."

    • @glen6945
      @glen6945 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      FK TOUN A HOLE

    • @eileendover3938
      @eileendover3938 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glenn parent why can’t you say anything interesting?

  • @jrusselison
    @jrusselison 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “god’s plan is for me to become an atheist”... :)

  • @NidusFormicarum
    @NidusFormicarum 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Isn't it that they wanted to make themself a name - to become famous for their acheivments? (Refering to the story of the tower of Babel) Christains aruge that only God deserves such glory. Isn't it natural to want to be proud of what you have done?

    • @musiqal333
      @musiqal333 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The problem is, Christianity shows a deep level of narcissism in the Christian god. Believers are commonly, routinely asked to give honor to god, even for their most minute or great accomplishments. How disgusting is that? Imagine if a parent was to appropriate his or her child's accomplishments. We humans would rightfully see that as really messed up. But label the narcissistic personality "god", and such behavior is seen as justified and moral.
      Like, what the flying fuck? Religion is so abnormal. It's a mind aberration, for sure.