POV: it’s 2075, your grandson is visiting and you and your friend open the shed, pull off the cover. It’s all dusty and a b series presents itself. the grandkids start whispering about the story’s they have heard, about how these motors where legends. you put in some new gas, prime it and slowly hear the car turn over. then it starts. b series idling like a absolute unit. so you decide to do one last pull and show them what it’s about. pull in 3rd gear. The engine is screaming they feel VTEC for the first time. Screaming 9k rpm 4 cylinder. And they fall in love with hondas
You’d have to put ethanol in it and burn a chip tune with a richer fuel map for the ethanol since I doubt gasoline would be around in 2075, but that would be cool :)
I’m old-school, I love the sound of the B series VTEC. The K series is excellent too and I’ve never owned a car with a K series, but I’ve driven in a couple many times. I still prefer the B series. I love the originality of the design. That was during the time when Soichiro Honda was still alive, even though he was retired before he passed Aug 5, 1991. He still oversaw the creation of a legendary quality engine, that was housed by The NSX, the Prelude, the Integra Type R, the Legend, & Civic Type R.
i belive nsx have V6 engine from C series not B series also C30A that was in NSX was pretty much a frank from other C series engine then C32B came with its biggest modification being special cylinder sleeves so they cound have really thin cylinder walls to fit bigger pistons it was essentially a bored out C30A and it worked out great in my opinion also as u mentioned B series do you know about B21? that was quite interesting variant and probably most of us will never see this engine in person heh thats a shame because it looks nothing like B series
@@OGNISTYSZKQAJDIII think he meant buy that he prefers the first generation of vtec over gen 2 IVTEC I mean nothing beats the sound of mechanical VTEC engagement🤷🏽♂️
@@xx_ironman77_xx1 the fuck you mean by mechanical vtec engagement its only mechanical i-vtec is vtec with variable valve timing it is a mechanical system!!!!!!!! wtf
Yes i agree , i owned a dc2r, and drove my friends 2012? Civic Si sedan many times, When dohc vtec hits ? Wow Seems like the ivtec averaged the output.
B engines are legendary, but K series just improved on that formula, big-time. You can't really argue that K series engines aren't superior. Honda surely spent many millions of dollars to research the improvements going into the K series from the B series. But hey, the timing chain alone had sold me! I'm absolutely going to pick up a K24A2 swap for the EG.
@@Triggernlfrl I say that because it's literally the same block design as B series, just with a girdle/midpiece. What similarities does it share with the H series?
I'm so glad I got surprised by the B16 in my del Sol. I thought I was going to go pick up a D16 VTEC Si. That's the day I learned about the B series proper. It's going the way of the dodo, I'm thankful to have gotten to experience it. Best $2200 I ever spent.
K series all day now. You can fully build a b series all motor with aggressive cams just to hit what a stock K makes with bolt ons lol. Parts are more available for K series now to
B20 for myself and have heads to make b20v down the road. Love the low end torque that is linear for my light Honda chassis’s. Agree K will be the safer bet but clean B builds will be worth more coin.
Nothing like a na built k24 screaming pushing 300+hp. Plus there's a ton of stock bottom 500ish hp stock bottom k's out there. But as a k series guy I do love the sound of a B. Love the sound of the b series
I've got both currently 97 civic hatch w/ stock k24a2/5speed trans on boost w/built engine being put together on the side, and 98' civic hatch DD a ls swap turbo w/ ready to go semi built LsV and lsd/carbon synchro gsr trans, I love boost and understand the longevity is possibly a concern depending on circumstances and maintenance but I love both platforms ❤
if you have to choose between either which one would you go with? my next build is going to be between a b or a k since i’ve only experienced a k20 in my fg2
LSVTEC and B20vtec are the cheaper alternatives to build then the actual factory VTEC motors. I personally wouldn't molest a b16 or b18c because of them things being rare now. Plus, theres alot of b18a/b and b20b/z2 in junkyards.
K series every time of you want to go fast. I would still say a b18c can still hold its own in a light chassis though. B series has more character though
I have a b18c5, and lsvtec and honestly bang for your buck lsvtec is probably the best for price to put and for future plans for boost.. I spent like 100 on a b18b block and 350 for gsr head and seems to me like the best way to make a cheap slow car super fun.. and I’m going to turbo it soon.. I also have an H series h23a vtec I’m going to use soon too.. I think H series is slept on but sooner or later I’ll start with my first k series but I need to put my research in..
Yeah to learn about a new platform is always difficult, but you'll be glad you did since parts can be difficult to find depending on where you live for b series.
*_I got to go with the original Type R motor from the 97 EK. 🔥 B series I also saw a recent video where someone managed to pull 2000whp from a B series motor._*
The B series is better suited to “canyon carving” where staying in the rev range is more desirable, K series is if you’re looking into forced induction or straight line acceleration
Everyone always chooses the k series, but in the end, nothing compares to the simplicity of a b series. You want to know which one is really better, look at the top 10 fastest fwd cars in the world right now. They’re all b series, besides one car that is a BILLET K series, none of those cars on that list are billet b series, just stock castings. The proof is there, no one wants to acknowledge it.
Always on point! Luckily for me, I started hoarding B series parts a few years ago. Part of me wants to save them so I can build a period correct build, but damn the prices they fetch will let me do a K-Swap pretty easily lol
I own a B18C5, K20Z3, and soon a K24A2. I choose K Series all day. It's the better engine. However, for any 80's-early 00's Hondas, I choose the B Series.
It's important to mention that the VAST vast majority of K-series engines feature economy car cylinder heads and economy i-VTEC, which are fundamentally different from their performance counterparts. Not all K engines are made equal. All variants of the B16A are fully ready for performance tuning, but tuning an economy K series is more difficult and expensive. Very few K engines made are actually worth tinkering with, especially here in the US.
I've had many B series since 2006. One was a LS VTEC that was built. I bought a Rsx type s and did basic bolt ons with a cat delete and had it tuned with Kpro. It will out preform any built, tuned B series I've ever had. I love B series still but definitely prefer K series. They respond much better to small mods and a tune.
What if you already got a full forged rod piston gsr swap and top mount turbo kit and hondata would you swap to go all k series turbo? if you was a drag racer I worry about the risk of hurting the b series due to expensive repair cost, repairs on k would be cheaper if you damaged a head /transmission/ block Id think..
That depends. CRX’s are becoming quite rare and expensive as well. It might be better to drop in a B and set the SOHC aside rather than hacking up the car to do a K-swap.
Heck ya man thanks for making this video. I've been following you for a long time and I'm starting to ask myself this question now that I'm planning on upgrading my GS-R
I think I commented on an older video about this a few days ago and my answer was and will remain the K series I will say if you have a factory B series car like a type R or an em1 I can understand keeping the B series in it but if you have a blown engine or just a shit B series then swap it to a K there’s absolutely no reason not to K swap especially when you can go pull a K from the original car it came in and know exactly how many miles compared to a B swap for the same price that’s been through 20 different cars and no knowledge on the engines history. I couldn’t advise someone to B swap when the K series is an all around better platform
Well I've been doing B series engines for 20 years now it is 2023. However you make a good point, if I was just starting this Honda Love of Mine, in 2023, I would choose a K series engine.
@@kanestalin7246 160hp & 117tq. It used a ys1 cable transmission but I guess it was slightly different with a shorter final drive and different input shaft. I've only seen one in person like 20 years ago in a parking lot meet
I got a couple of b series engines, which are cheaper then K building, but when it comes to all motor k all day I've seen stock k all motor push 300+hp but for a budget turbo build b series all day
I have a c4 corvette that I’m debating on swapping to one of these Japanese engines. (Body style just looks like it should be Japanese and ima take the tpi v8 out and put it in a project Jeep since it’s allll low end torque. Which one do y’all think is more reliable if I mod it out? I want 700hp minimum.
just cam the 350 and change the powerband to be higher. you can rev old smallblocks to 7k and you wont have issues for a long time. be surprised at the power they can generate
K-series has the advantage of being a clockwise spinning engine. This makes it usable in non-Honda platforms such as Miatas, 240SX’s, old VW’s, and many, many more. Trying to swap a B-series (or H-series) engine into one of these platforms would result in either a single forward gear and multiple reverse gears, or would require costly modifications (such as custom differential cases allowing the diff to be flipped) to rectify this problem. This is why you never saw B or H series engines in anything but Hondas back in the day (despite any advantages these engines had over other manufacturer’s four cylinder engines). On the other hand, B-series just fits better into older Hondas. Try dropping a K-series into a CRX and see how well it fits. B-series is a much more natural fit, and doesn’t require such things as cutting and welding mounts or holes in the hood. Electronics are also much simpler. If you want a swap that is an easier and better fit in your old Honda, B-series is the way to go.
The B series is getting more expensive due to mutliple factors: 1) stocks are decreasing 2) inflation we are all experiencing and 3) Strength of its economy being near 25% smaller that a K20 and near 50% smaller than a K24 4) When it comes to Hp per Litre, only theType R K20 has a better HP/Litre ratio and that is only by a small margin when compared to comparable Type R B16B or Type R B18C 5) With dwindling stocks enthusiast customers are the only ones more prepared to pay higher prices to keep their cars genuine or period correct keeping/boosting prices high. This period is separating the casual owners (novelty owners, image, speed motivated owner) and the genuine enthusiasts.
B series. You mentioned prices not coming down but really that's for the Type R engines. The common engines are still very cheap and plentiful. I don't know about where you live but here in Puerto Rico those cars sold like hot cakes. The K series is much more expensive here because it's generally considered the "better engine" even though the B series can get you what you want and thensome. The allure that having a K swapped car means you're cool and gives you street cred has lead many to believe the B series isn't as good. But I assure you that for the age of the engine in question, it is just as good. Most people want somewhere around 500HP and would swap a K in just because it can take it with stock internals, but if you built your B you wouldn't need to buy a new engine/transmission combo with all the supporting accessories and items to do the swap. Could've just built your B. And even if your Civic doesn't have a B and it has a D series in it, the aftermarket support is still there for it and the internet has proved you can build a D series to a reliable 500HP and some more. I'd argue for street use just stick to your D series, it gives you more street cred in my eyes than doing another K swap.
I keep seeming a 2000 civic si parked for months now in an older community homes and I'm thinking of getting down and asking if they would sell it to me.. outside looks great, just dirty.. I'm wondering if it's worth taking it and maybe cleaning it up and keeping or sell for a big profit?
B Series All Day and Everyday. Bought a Dart B20 block and built it to the teeth. Ive had the same B16 head for almost 25 years. Every 1 1/2 years do a fresh rebuild and off again. Im hard on engines but im also one of those people who can do a rebuild in a weekend, barring of course any major machine work. Theyre bullet proof. I just like to rebuild my own engines. K Series is nice, but damn, they are expensive. Building a B Series is almost 50% easier.
I’m 21 and have a JDM EP3 Prefacelift, hoping to buy an EG hatch (in Champ white) and K20 swap it; seeing videos of the B series engines’ makes me want one in it instead, but they’re jus too expensive.
Parts for b series are hard rn and only getting worse a fully built. All motor B series may push 200 to 20 when the K2 four stock comes out the gate with 240.
K24A2 + replica of a good header + VTC gear + Hondata Kpro + 6 speed transmission = 240whp easy and good for road racing. Don't get me wrong, B-series engines are good and potent but the cam phasing on the K-series helps a lot. The weakness of the K24 is just the rod-stroke ratio and cast pistons, not bad if you keep the revs at 7200rpm for endurance racing, but it's a cost effective turnkey solution for someone who has no extra budget for a custom ported head, camshaft and piston upgrade that will yield better power and torque per dollar spent.
@@Mr-Yan. What header do you have on? Also, have you had the fuel, ignition and VTC tables fine tuned? A very good tuner locally managed to squeeze 227.56 whp/189.64wtq on a Dynojet on a stock K24.
@@findtherightbeat I'm not actually sure as I picked it up last month to replace my em1, though it's got a 4-2-1 header and full (2.5in?) exhaust, 50°vtc, prc manifold, injen filter pipe running in behind the bumper.... it's all the ep3 jdm type R stuff on the 24a3 bottom end. No idea how far the tune went, though it was done by a respectable workshop who hold a few lap records around the state. I've heard all the stories of simple 240whp k24 setups and don't know if I'm missing something or they're inflated figures. I'm happy with it but 25hp for another tune would be awesome
@@Mr-Yan. Try looking into your current header's design and exhaust piping it may be causing a restriction. Also, a long 3in intake is definitely good, I have the impression that the Injen you have is like that. LHT found that better injectors helped them a bit.
Both performance and cost, K series.. you can't deny it's almost all around a better engine, literally compare the torque curve of an over squared b18 and over squared k20.. both the 20 and 24 stomp the older generations as much as the b and even d series builds are cool.
To extend this more into the economic field, the k24a4 is nasty... and dirt cheap easy 400 whp (especially with the 2.4's, the torque curve is amazing compared to any of the old gen motors.. even the F & H series)
im 22yo in america i drive a k20aswapped 19' integra. i was born in 2000 so my engine is k series. but im moving to philippines soon so, i hope to find another integra there and k swap again:)
i believe more guys are doing b series turbo setups for cost, the b18c has a pretty bullet proof engine but both the b series and k series give up once u hit around 1600whp, too much boost after that but the k series will hold every record soon.
Granted the B series is a lot easier to swap but in 2023 the prices are getting ridiculous and not to mention that parts are only going to get harder to come by. And from my understanding of the K series engines are just B series engines but upgraded. And K series are getting a lot easier to swap while keeping ac and power steering thanks to K tuned and various other companies making B/K series swaps so much easier and affordable while retaining ac and power steering. The main reason why I haven't went K series is because I want to keep my ac because our summers here in the southeastern US is almost insufferable lol. And I don't really want to swap my EJ subframe for a EG subframe just to keep my ac and power steering. But at the same time K series is going to be the only affordable way to go with an abundance of parts and the amount of K series engines that were produced outnumber the B series. I guess it goes back to what you prefer and if money isn't a problem then I say go B series or even J series.
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POV: it’s 2075, your grandson is visiting and you and your friend open the shed, pull off the cover. It’s all dusty and a b series presents itself. the grandkids start whispering about the story’s they have heard, about how these motors where legends. you put in some new gas, prime it and slowly hear the car turn over. then it starts. b series idling like a absolute unit. so you decide to do one last pull and show them what it’s about. pull in 3rd gear. The engine is screaming they feel VTEC for the first time. Screaming 9k rpm 4 cylinder. And they fall in love with hondas
Comment of the year 😂
I hope our cars last that long
"Nani granpapi! A honda B16B! But we thought those were just old folk tales!"
"Stories start somewhere"
You’d have to put ethanol in it and burn a chip tune with a richer fuel map for the ethanol since I doubt gasoline would be around in 2075, but that would be cool :)
I’m old-school, I love the sound of the B series VTEC. The K series is excellent too and I’ve never owned a car with a K series, but I’ve driven in a couple many times. I still prefer the B series. I love the originality of the design. That was during the time when Soichiro Honda was still alive, even though he was retired before he passed Aug 5, 1991. He still oversaw the creation of a legendary quality engine, that was housed by The NSX, the Prelude, the Integra Type R, the Legend, & Civic Type R.
i belive nsx have V6 engine from C series not B series
also C30A that was in NSX was pretty much a frank from other C series engine then C32B came with its biggest modification being special cylinder sleeves so they cound have really thin cylinder walls to fit bigger pistons it was essentially a bored out C30A and it worked out great in my opinion
also
as u mentioned B series do you know about B21? that was quite interesting variant and probably most of us will never see this engine in person heh thats a shame because it looks nothing like B series
@@OGNISTYSZKQAJDIII think he meant buy that he prefers the first generation of vtec over gen 2 IVTEC I mean nothing beats the sound of mechanical VTEC engagement🤷🏽♂️
@@xx_ironman77_xx1 the fuck you mean by mechanical vtec engagement
its only mechanical
i-vtec is vtec with variable valve timing
it is a mechanical system!!!!!!!! wtf
Yes i agree , i owned a dc2r, and drove my friends 2012? Civic Si sedan many times,
When dohc vtec hits ? Wow
Seems like the ivtec averaged the output.
Well it all depends what I putting it in I like my cars to be period correct .
Nothing beats the sound of a b series at the top end
B engines are legendary, but K series just improved on that formula, big-time. You can't really argue that K series engines aren't superior. Honda surely spent many millions of dollars to research the improvements going into the K series from the B series.
But hey, the timing chain alone had sold me! I'm absolutely going to pick up a K24A2 swap for the EG.
100% agree. Definitely an upgrade. Sucks we can't swap so easily here on the East. Enjoy your k swaps 😂
@MITONFILMS It's gonna take some saving up for sure 😂
For now I am stuck with the B20. I am still enjoying it!
K serie is not a evolved B serie. K serie evolved from H serie wich are the better race engines than the more cheapo B serie.
@@Triggernlfrl I say that because it's literally the same block design as B series, just with a girdle/midpiece. What similarities does it share with the H series?
You won’t regret it am currently running a k20a2 head k24a2 block type s oil pump fbo tuned on hondata.
I'm so glad I got surprised by the B16 in my del Sol. I thought I was going to go pick up a D16 VTEC Si. That's the day I learned about the B series proper. It's going the way of the dodo, I'm thankful to have gotten to experience it. Best $2200 I ever spent.
if ur surprised by a b16 you should look into swapping in a b18c1 (integra gsr motor)
If ur surprised by a b18c you should look into swapping in a JDM K20A (Integra DC5 engine ) 😂
@@MITONFILMS just watched a b18 beat that :D
Bro got a b16 for 2200, that’s verry cool
B series all day
K series all day now. You can fully build a b series all motor with aggressive cams just to hit what a stock K makes with bolt ons lol. Parts are more available for K series now to
@@ssjdavid that’s fine but nothing slaps like a b-series vtec
B series all day building my b18 turbo AWD hatch !
Yeah if you’re still stuck in the 90’s.
@@Dcdc956 no I’m stuck with with feeling and the sound the engine gives dipshit.
B20 for myself and have heads to make b20v down the road. Love the low end torque that is linear for my light Honda chassis’s.
Agree K will be the safer bet but clean B builds will be worth more coin.
B series for me because it's easier to swap to, once maintained properly and keep it a reasonable power level it would last forever
It’s definitely not easier to swap wtf are you saying 😂
@Red-ev8ls if you're going from D to B series it is
@@Red-ev8ls you're just a K series fan boy, I'm not
Nothing like a na built k24 screaming pushing 300+hp. Plus there's a ton of stock bottom 500ish hp stock bottom k's out there. But as a k series guy I do love the sound of a B. Love the sound of the b series
I've got both currently 97 civic hatch w/ stock k24a2/5speed trans on boost w/built engine being put together on the side, and 98' civic hatch DD a ls swap turbo w/ ready to go semi built LsV and lsd/carbon synchro gsr trans, I love boost and understand the longevity is possibly a concern depending on circumstances and maintenance but I love both platforms ❤
if you have to choose between either which one would you go with? my next build is going to be between a b or a k since i’ve only experienced a k20 in my fg2
@@phantasy2075 K all the way
LSVTEC and B20vtec are the cheaper alternatives to build then the actual factory VTEC motors. I personally wouldn't molest a b16 or b18c because of them things being rare now. Plus, theres alot of b18a/b and b20b/z2 in junkyards.
K series every time of you want to go fast. I would still say a b18c can still hold its own in a light chassis though. B series has more character though
the k series would hold the awd & fwd spot but they have weight restrictions, the b series has more options
building B18 type R now. no issue on parts availability
Zero Issues with Parts for my B series
I have a b18c5, and lsvtec and honestly bang for your buck lsvtec is probably the best for price to put and for future plans for boost.. I spent like 100 on a b18b block and 350 for gsr head and seems to me like the best way to make a cheap slow car super fun.. and I’m going to turbo it soon.. I also have an H series h23a vtec I’m going to use soon too.. I think H series is slept on but sooner or later I’ll start with my first k series but I need to put my research in..
Yeah to learn about a new platform is always difficult, but you'll be glad you did since parts can be difficult to find depending on where you live for b series.
i wish gsr heads were that cheap in my area, lowest ive seen was 700 and asking price is usually around 900-1000 now.
B series for 10k rpms and sexy sounding vtec
K series for cheap power
*_I got to go with the original Type R motor from the 97 EK. 🔥 B series I also saw a recent video where someone managed to pull 2000whp from a B series motor._*
The B series is better suited to “canyon carving” where staying in the rev range is more desirable, K series is if you’re looking into forced induction or straight line acceleration
The k series is the superior naturally aspirated engine and it has a 6 speed option. What makes the B series a better canyon carving engine? 🤔
Everyone always chooses the k series, but in the end, nothing compares to the simplicity of a b series. You want to know which one is really better, look at the top 10 fastest fwd cars in the world right now. They’re all b series, besides one car that is a BILLET K series, none of those cars on that list are billet b series, just stock castings. The proof is there, no one wants to acknowledge it.
B series !! All the Way
The question was which one is more cost-effective. Is the b-series swap more cost effective now than a k-series?
@@sepg5084 You can get a b18b for about $1000-2000k and do a v tech upgrade for about 500$.
Always on point! Luckily for me, I started hoarding B series parts a few years ago. Part of me wants to save them so I can build a period correct build, but damn the prices they fetch will let me do a K-Swap pretty easily lol
Or you could let me hold them for you for safe keeping 🤙🏽
You have a distributor for a B16B for sale?
Honda should be like gm and have a division for their old school stuff
Definitely b series , if it's in a 90s chassis
they both give me chills, B series because i used to have a 94 civic B Swap.
I love my 91 integra for how bulletproof and simple it is to work on
I’ve got a B16B on Hondata S300 with the standard B18CR map…. Old school…
Just wanted to say I love your videos man! I have a 1997 Integra and your videos are really great!
Appreciate it Kobe T! '97 integra nice! I hope you never sell it
This is good , we have the option to put a k or a b series in a 74 civic cvcc. Looking for options.
I own a B18C5, K20Z3, and soon a K24A2. I choose K Series all day. It's the better engine.
However, for any 80's-early 00's Hondas, I choose the B Series.
I have a 91 accord and was thinking of swapping. Why do you choose the b series
@solomonktl6 H22 from a Prelude or H23 from a JDM Accird SiR.
It’s 2014 and I’m rocking the DB7 Ls non vtec motor on a killer LS set up 🚗🌪🌪🌪🌪
I just got a 94 civic with a built GSR in it. Its stupid healthy. Im about to stock pile 2 spares i fucking love this thing.
It's important to mention that the VAST vast majority of K-series engines feature economy car cylinder heads and economy i-VTEC, which are fundamentally different from their performance counterparts. Not all K engines are made equal. All variants of the B16A are fully ready for performance tuning, but tuning an economy K series is more difficult and expensive. Very few K engines made are actually worth tinkering with, especially here in the US.
I've had many B series since 2006. One was a LS VTEC that was built. I bought a Rsx type s and did basic bolt ons with a cat delete and had it tuned with Kpro. It will out preform any built, tuned B series I've ever had. I love B series still but definitely prefer K series. They respond much better to small mods and a tune.
They say K is the way, but for me, B is the 🔑!
Unless you have a unmolested R I see no reason not to go K. Just the ease of getting reliable and affordable parts alone is worth it.
Very true. Times have changed
What if you already got a full forged rod piston gsr swap and top mount turbo kit and hondata would you swap to go all k series turbo? if you was a drag racer I worry about the risk of hurting the b series due to expensive repair cost, repairs on k would be cheaper if you damaged a head /transmission/ block Id think..
I'd think so too since there are an abundance of replacement parts for the k series .
That depends. CRX’s are becoming quite rare and expensive as well. It might be better to drop in a B and set the SOHC aside rather than hacking up the car to do a K-swap.
Almost every part for a b series engine is not the hard to find
Heck ya man thanks for making this video. I've been following you for a long time and I'm starting to ask myself this question now that I'm planning on upgrading my GS-R
It's ok. You don't have to be scared of change. Lol. It's only been 20 years.
@Myton the K-series is faster for sure, but as a fellow JDM DC2-R owner I'll caution against that swap because it will de-value your b-series R
this what I was thinking, I would put the K in any other car but 99% chance I won’t switch out my 98 itr original B.
In today's time, yeah I wouldn't either , it should be illegal 😂
U RICH IF I OWN A TYPE R WHAST DO U DO FOR WORK
K swap unless we’re talking specifically about the b18c5
What’s the quickest b series?
I love my b series but have plans for a k series building a h22a nw and have full built jdm 92 gsr with the grandfather b17 in it
Mann it's too hard to decide. I love the d, b h and k series each in their own way
I think I commented on an older video about this a few days ago and my answer was and will remain the K series I will say if you have a factory B series car like a type R or an em1 I can understand keeping the B series in it but if you have a blown engine or just a shit B series then swap it to a K there’s absolutely no reason not to K swap especially when you can go pull a K from the original car it came in and know exactly how many miles compared to a B swap for the same price that’s been through 20 different cars and no knowledge on the engines history. I couldn’t advise someone to B swap when the K series is an all around better platform
K series if your smart, B series if your cool
i daily a 97 accord and my GF likes the way the 2015-2016 crvs look so maybe thinking about swapping a k24a into my own when the time comes.
Well I've been doing B series engines for 20 years now it is 2023. However you make a good point, if I was just starting this Honda Love of Mine, in 2023, I would choose a K series engine.
B20 vtec! I just rebuilt mine from Ebay parts for cheap.
What’s the fastest b series?
The B17 got treated like the stepchild it is 😂. Unmentionable
There's a B17?
@@kanestalin7246 indeed. Only in the 93 Integra GSR as far as I know
@@DrPoooper could you tell me the specs?
@@kanestalin7246 160hp & 117tq. It used a ys1 cable transmission but I guess it was slightly different with a shorter final drive and different input shaft. I've only seen one in person like 20 years ago in a parking lot meet
B series. K swaps sound like screaming evil spirits
Which one is easier to upgrade and work on??
B series definitely
K is nice but i kick it oldskool B series for me 👍🏾
in our country in asia , d to b swap on 6gen civic cost around 6k6 , and doing kswap is starting from twice the price of bswap
I got an EP3 with a K20A2. It’s my second EP now. Never had a B series Honda, but I won’t lie… B series sound sooooooo fucking good
I got a couple of b series engines, which are cheaper then K building, but when it comes to all motor k all day I've seen stock k all motor push 300+hp but for a budget turbo build b series all day
Actually started in 1987 1st b20a dohc gold top 185hp 148lb found in 2nd prelude si jdm with 4-ws
B series for life last I checked worlds fastest Honda are b series and k came after h series which is even more disappointing
I have a c4 corvette that I’m debating on swapping to one of these Japanese engines. (Body style just looks like it should be Japanese and ima take the tpi v8 out and put it in a project Jeep since it’s allll low end torque. Which one do y’all think is more reliable if I mod it out? I want 700hp minimum.
just cam the 350 and change the powerband to be higher. you can rev old smallblocks to 7k and you wont have issues for a long time. be surprised at the power they can generate
I wish they would remake the B Series Engines or at least a few of them...
New production line, take everything learned from both the B and K series and the design of the B16, and probably make an inline 6 from it to.
K-series has the advantage of being a clockwise spinning engine. This makes it usable in non-Honda platforms such as Miatas, 240SX’s, old VW’s, and many, many more. Trying to swap a B-series (or H-series) engine into one of these platforms would result in either a single forward gear and multiple reverse gears, or would require costly modifications (such as custom differential cases allowing the diff to be flipped) to rectify this problem. This is why you never saw B or H series engines in anything but Hondas back in the day (despite any advantages these engines had over other manufacturer’s four cylinder engines).
On the other hand, B-series just fits better into older Hondas. Try dropping a K-series into a CRX and see how well it fits. B-series is a much more natural fit, and doesn’t require such things as cutting and welding mounts or holes in the hood. Electronics are also much simpler. If you want a swap that is an easier and better fit in your old Honda, B-series is the way to go.
The B series is getting more expensive due to mutliple factors:
1) stocks are decreasing
2) inflation we are all experiencing and
3) Strength of its economy being near 25% smaller that a K20 and near 50% smaller than a K24
4) When it comes to Hp per Litre, only theType R K20 has a better HP/Litre ratio and that is only by a small margin when compared to comparable Type R B16B or Type R B18C
5) With dwindling stocks enthusiast customers are the only ones more prepared to pay higher prices to keep their cars genuine or period correct keeping/boosting prices high.
This period is separating the casual owners (novelty owners, image, speed motivated owner) and the genuine enthusiasts.
i own a 95 delsol, b16a3, i love it, redline 9200rpm turbo charged..
B series. You mentioned prices not coming down but really that's for the Type R engines. The common engines are still very cheap and plentiful. I don't know about where you live but here in Puerto Rico those cars sold like hot cakes. The K series is much more expensive here because it's generally considered the "better engine" even though the B series can get you what you want and thensome. The allure that having a K swapped car means you're cool and gives you street cred has lead many to believe the B series isn't as good. But I assure you that for the age of the engine in question, it is just as good. Most people want somewhere around 500HP and would swap a K in just because it can take it with stock internals, but if you built your B you wouldn't need to buy a new engine/transmission combo with all the supporting accessories and items to do the swap. Could've just built your B. And even if your Civic doesn't have a B and it has a D series in it, the aftermarket support is still there for it and the internet has proved you can build a D series to a reliable 500HP and some more. I'd argue for street use just stick to your D series, it gives you more street cred in my eyes than doing another K swap.
I just swapped a b18c1 into my 2000 ex coupe mostly for period correctness I’ve even got an 90s apexi vtec controller
B is not a bad choice, but considering the accessibility the is more accessible and also K-tuned parts are available. K tuned for me!
I wanna 95-99 civic but looking yo see what engine would be good to turbo, which one is solid to put in the cvic.
K. You can't find a b series in the junkyard at all.
2024 and I got a b18c1 block build by golden eagle for up to 1200hp swap on my 2000 civic Si 45k original miles. B18 has the best looking and sound
I keep seeming a 2000 civic si parked for months now in an older community homes and I'm thinking of getting down and asking if they would sell it to me.. outside looks great, just dirty.. I'm wondering if it's worth taking it and maybe cleaning it up and keeping or sell for a big profit?
B 16 with ef civic here.
I settled for a H23A Vtec
I see u used a couple clips from my channel of my Ls vtec with the red valve cover lol
K all the way
B Series All Day and Everyday. Bought a Dart B20 block and built it to the teeth. Ive had the same B16 head for almost 25 years. Every 1 1/2 years do a fresh rebuild and off again. Im hard on engines but im also one of those people who can do a rebuild in a weekend, barring of course any major machine work. Theyre bullet proof. I just like to rebuild my own engines. K Series is nice, but damn, they are expensive. Building a B Series is almost 50% easier.
Like for F serie
I’m 21 and have a JDM EP3 Prefacelift, hoping to buy an EG hatch (in Champ white) and K20 swap it; seeing videos of the B series engines’ makes me want one in it instead, but they’re jus too expensive.
Parts for b series are hard rn and only getting worse a fully built. All motor B series may push 200 to 20 when the K2 four stock comes out the gate with 240.
K-Series is just better..
I love my b18b1 but I think I might pick up a k20a for a power build ima keep my b to peserve it for when I feel like going back to it
Yo which would fit in a 1998 civic looking to get one for a build
not "whick one to choose in 2022" but have..B18c and turbo k, so both❤
Theres a major flaw with the kseries transmission. The synchros are brittle, And its very easy to money shift. Thats why i will stay bseries.
Chevy LS/LT V8... my time with Honda's where in my Teen year's.
B series here 🙋♂️
K24A2 + replica of a good header + VTC gear + Hondata Kpro + 6 speed transmission = 240whp easy and good for road racing.
Don't get me wrong, B-series engines are good and potent but the cam phasing on the K-series helps a lot. The weakness of the K24 is just the rod-stroke ratio and cast pistons, not bad if you keep the revs at 7200rpm for endurance racing, but it's a cost effective turnkey solution for someone who has no extra budget for a custom ported head, camshaft and piston upgrade that will yield better power and torque per dollar spent.
What have I missed? I've got a jdm ep3 with everything ep3 except the k24a3 bottom end (australia, equiv to a2) its making 212whp and goes great
@@Mr-Yan. What header do you have on? Also, have you had the fuel, ignition and VTC tables fine tuned? A very good tuner locally managed to squeeze 227.56 whp/189.64wtq on a Dynojet on a stock K24.
@@Mr-Yan. Also, check LHT Performance's K24 EP3 here on TH-cam. They also managed to get around 220 whp/180 wtq with a stock K24.
@@findtherightbeat I'm not actually sure as I picked it up last month to replace my em1, though it's got a 4-2-1 header and full (2.5in?) exhaust, 50°vtc, prc manifold, injen filter pipe running in behind the bumper.... it's all the ep3 jdm type R stuff on the 24a3 bottom end. No idea how far the tune went, though it was done by a respectable workshop who hold a few lap records around the state. I've heard all the stories of simple 240whp k24 setups and don't know if I'm missing something or they're inflated figures. I'm happy with it but 25hp for another tune would be awesome
@@Mr-Yan. Try looking into your current header's design and exhaust piping it may be causing a restriction. Also, a long 3in intake is definitely good, I have the impression that the Injen you have is like that. LHT found that better injectors helped them a bit.
We need to go on a protest for the old engines, we need them back
Both performance and cost, K series.. you can't deny it's almost all around a better engine, literally compare the torque curve of an over squared b18 and over squared k20.. both the 20 and 24 stomp the older generations as much as the b and even d series builds are cool.
To extend this more into the economic field, the k24a4 is nasty... and dirt cheap easy 400 whp (especially with the 2.4's, the torque curve is amazing compared to any of the old gen motors.. even the F & H series)
@@iroekyjHD k24A2 is the one
i chose B B B B B
Did a gsr swap with a b16 transmission lsd and I wish I would of went k24
B series i just swap my car last summer for a B18c1 Never being happier k series still a bit pricey in my opinion
im 22yo in america i drive a k20aswapped 19' integra. i was born in 2000 so my engine is k series.
but im moving to philippines soon so, i hope to find another integra there and k swap again:)
B is the best 😎🇯🇵
B all day long. That's what I grew up on
B series !
B20Bphk vtec on a Ek99 just build 2years Ago with 200hp parts still cheaper compared to K series example like engine mounts ,drive shaft , extractor
Will someone help me with a doubt. K20A6 engine oil sump is compatible with K20A2 engine. Thank you very much
I chose a b-series in 2022 B20 jdm now getting a vtec head
i believe more guys are doing b series turbo setups for cost, the b18c has a pretty bullet proof engine but both the b series and k series give up once u hit around 1600whp, too much boost after that but the k series will hold every record soon.
I dont know that 6.9 record from speedfactory B series will also get faster.. Ks have not hit 6s yet.
Granted the B series is a lot easier to swap but in 2023 the prices are getting ridiculous and not to mention that parts are only going to get harder to come by. And from my understanding of the K series engines are just B series engines but upgraded. And K series are getting a lot easier to swap while keeping ac and power steering thanks to K tuned and various other companies making B/K series swaps so much easier and affordable while retaining ac and power steering. The main reason why I haven't went K series is because I want to keep my ac because our summers here in the southeastern US is almost insufferable lol. And I don't really want to swap my EJ subframe for a EG subframe just to keep my ac and power steering. But at the same time K series is going to be the only affordable way to go with an abundance of parts and the amount of K series engines that were produced outnumber the B series. I guess it goes back to what you prefer and if money isn't a problem then I say go B series or even J series.
Depends if you want more power or wanna rev.
Thanks a lot!