it is about time people to see what happens with cheap junk and what happens with quality stuff. i have sneaky suspicion what broke the blades of the hydraulic cutters. i suspect one exact lock.
HPC, there are a couple locks in this video series which defeated the cutter. How about I send them your way for... um... “further testing”? 😈 Let me know. 👍
@@ItsMonkeyNews that's an ignorant comment. Of course thief's know how to pick locks. It's less obvious than carrying a hacksaw or bolt cutters. Stealing bikes is big business, cops set up bait bikes to see where the bikes go to get resold or parted out just like cars.
Esteban C. It's worth noting that it took ~2min for profesional to pick it in perfect conditions. This should be more than adequate to deter almost any thief since they are usually giving up if lock doesn't give up within one minute or so.
I never thought watching a dude talk about picking locks could be interesting or addictive...good work man. The videos are really interesting to watch.
Higher hardness means more brittle though, I wonder if that could be used against it... Though might just be case hardened. Either way insane to see those jaws deform like that!
This is my lock model! So proud of this baby, it's been securing a rather expensive bike in downtown Philly and more recently the South Side of Chicago for about 4 years now. What with the moderately difficult pick for LPL and the hydraulic bolt-cutter resistance, I'm glad to again confirm I made a great purchase. Only $55 when I got it!
A survivor from the Garage!!! hahah! I did not see that coming.... I expected the title was misleading, and the lock would be mangled, but not be completely openable, despite being ruined.... Nope! Barely a scratch. I am shocked, I'm not gonna lie....
I actually have this lock. It's a bit on the bulky side, but feels really solid and strong. Someone actually tried to steal my new bike with this on it as I noticed that the rubber layer had saw-marks appear on it. Only managed to scrape and peel the rubber though - the metal is barely untouched so I'm definitely pleased. Not a fan of the bright colors in these heavy-duty locks as they kinda scream "look at me", but other than that I can definitely recommend this one. Majority of bike thefts are focused on shitty cheap locks and the thieves are rarely professional lockpickers, so this does the job as long as you lock it onto a pole of some sort. :)
Pro Tip-- when the pump will not allow any more force to be applied to the handle, do not raise the handle to full open. Just raise it a small amount then push it closed. It will make a smaller bite at the blades, but it will move.
yeah, finally. i was sick and tired being shown cheapo junks, i want to see the high end, which is really high end and which only pretends to be high end.
One market of TH-cam that you could capitalize on, is "real world cutting". Nobody cuts these chains and locks in the "field" where conditions are not ideal. For example even with a battery operated die grinder or angle grinder, if the chain or lock has no resistance (not locked down in a vice) it will either be impossible, or at minimum extremely difficult to cut without proper support to hold it still. This is what everyone wants to see. What locks and chains will be the most difficult in real world scenarios to cut. We know nothing is cut proof in controlled settings, but what will give a theif using forced attacks the most problems in the field?
Ro Yo Mi I actually have a hydraulic wire terminal crimping tool, used for things like installing new lugs on automotive battery cables, that is identical to LPL's hydraulic cutter, except that the C-shaped top part is slightly different, and instead of blades, it has quick change dies for crimping different size connectors. It works great for that purpose. Also pretty cheap for what it is, it costs about $60.
wait until kryptonites step on the stage. onguard brute will look like toy. i have sneaky suspision, that in 797 the fahgettaboudit will how the hydraulic cutters who is boss, in a way that OnGuard Burte did not.
@@ShinobiDiabolik Well the OnGuard didn't even slightly deform, so I don't know what more could possibly be expected of it, or how a Kryptonite lock would outperform this demonstration. Also, it's worth considering that this OnGuard lock is half the price of a Fahgettaboudit.
@@Marky321321 The point is that you get effectively equivalent protection for half the price. Anyone with an angle grinder (the real way that U-locks are defeated) is going to get through either in ~10-15 seconds.
Very cool video,its so rare to see your tools or methods being defeated by anything. That on guard slaughtered those hydraulic cutters. Thanks for the review brother
think you could get some hardness testing files? i'd be curious what the actual hardness is. for it to defeat that thing so easily its gotta be at least over 50 hrc
Well, put this Brute 8001 lock in Atlanta, Georgia, or Chicago, and it would get defeated in a day. Crime is pretty high in those cities. Lol... ツ Are you talking about Vicker's scale, or Moh's scale, cos Moh's only goes up to 10.
Those cutters put out 12 tons (24,000lbs) of force. I was apart of the marketing team that designed and first sold these cutters. They are actually hydraulic rebar cutters. We made these cutters, aswell as a smaller design the YQK-70 with its chassis used for wire crimping. The small version can put out 12,000lbs (6 tons) of force about half as much as the rebar cutter. You can get a mini one to put in your pocket, and change out the crimping end tool with the rebar cutter end and get a small concealable hydraulic mini bolt cutters. We eventually after several prototypes, sold the patents for the rebar cutter and wire crimps to the Chinese.
yep he put and new blades just broke. however i see inconsistency current set of blades got bent, and blades in 797 will break. LPL is few videos ahead of what he is showing us. more info on twitter
there are blades designed to make a cut of this type, but they're kind of expensive. you need to pick up some relatively expensive blades for this type of cut made of two different materials bonded together.
I'm about to buy a Super 73 ebike and i was worried seeking a good lock for it and now i think this will be a serious option for it. Thanks for this video.
Great! Thank you @LockPickingLawyer for posting this attack on the Brute. I kind of knew that this is probably one of the only U Locks out there that would survive these Hydrolic Bolt Croppers and glad you confirmed it. Your tests incenivise Lock makers to up their game. This Brute of a lock all for only $30 to $40!!! No need to waste your money on the likes of Krytonite & ABUS... I am so glad I did my research and have this Lock securing my bike
Hardness and tempering are very important. They can harden them all they want, but if they're left glass hard they'll shatter pretty easily. Tempering is a very important part of the hardening process. And it appears they did it right on this one.
Again and again LPL provides great info for all the people needing quality products or a way to avoid the rubbish ones 😁. Could you please also include the picking resistance to these locks too? Thanks, and keep up the great work 👍
Finally! the video I've been waiting for since you started showcasing this tool. That shackle is definitely a much harder material than the cutting blade. Do they make stronger blades?
If it were, it would need to have the U lock on the ground for this method of attack to stand a chance of success. In real world scenario on a bicycle this would nearly always be 2ft off the ground if locked sensibly.
after watching a few videos. I want to pick a bunch of bike locks and switch who's bike they are each securing. I won't because, way too much work, and it's still probably a crime. Fun channel none the less. I hope lock making companies are trying to hire you to make their products more secure.
Tested anything against M12 Milwaukee bandsaw. It's very cheap, small portable battery bandsaw. It's cut easily every lock shackle I've tried (cheapo ones). You could even revisit all the shackles you've already hydraulic snapped.
The biggest issue with power tools are the obviousness of using them for theft. Your bandsaw may be quieter than a battery-operated angle grinder, and it may be small for a bandsaw, it's not exactly small or readily concealed. A small angle grinder might be able to fit into a large coat pocket well enough for it to not be seen until it's taken out for use, but your bandsaw isn't even going to conceal well under a trenchcoat. Then there's the issue of time spent trying to align the bandsaw to the lock to cut it when it's locking up a bike. The bandsaw is going to be much more limited compared to the angle grinder in how it can be applied to the lock, requiring a fair amount of clearance on both sides of the lock. A bike with baskets or other bolt-on accessories might prevent that bandsaw from having that clearance while an angle grinder doesn't require a whole lot more clearance than a human arm and hand needs to use the lock to begin with. This lock is almost 11/16" thick. It would increase the time for either tool to cut it, and that might be enough to cause a thief to seek a different bike.
Machinist answer: If the shack is truly hardened (sure looks that way) then the bandsaw blade is almost certainly going to wear out before you get through both sides of this thing. Tool has to be harder than the work piece, so you're looking at carbide or an abrasive to have much luck. Good thought though!
I wonder if the hardness now means the shackle is rather brittle, maybe a hefty strike with a well placed sledge hammer blow could shatter it? Of course the ramset would see it as no challenge at all with it's impact.
it looks like the manufacturer also tempered the shackle. tempering takes little hardness away from the shackle, to remove brittle, but leave enough hardness to resist cutting. Relax it is not nuclear physics.
Didn't think it possible but wow. I'd like you try this one more time though with a set of fresh blades and a blowtorch. Just heat up the area you're going to cut to a mild glow and then try again. I'd also like to see some tests with extreme temperature difference.
I got one of these for $35 on Amazon a few years back. These Onguard locks tend to be available for quite a bit less than an equivalent Kryptonite lock. I own a Kryptonite u-lock too but the key on this Onguard is a lot less finicky to use.
He! I was already planned to get an OnGuard Brute U-Lock for the new bike I'm gonna buy soon before even watch this video, now I'm glad even more for my choice :D thx for the amazing video, OnGuard brute is definitely a BEAST! of a lock :P
I think this a great thing you do. The jaws of the cutter are massive and you would need ample room to get it between a bike, post and whatever else in inside the shackle. Perhaps a pipe to slide over the shackle that's bigger then the jaws would be good. Sure they can cut the pipe and such but it's added time and pain.
Thank you for sharing. I'm looking to buy a U-lock, and the 8002 (i assume its a newer version), its one of the cheapest (and good) sold in my country. The kryptonite's down here are just too expensive. Thank you for sharing, i might go with one of these!
Would be nice now to slowly up the ante on it. Hacksaw, die grinder, then finally the Ramset. It'll definitely fail on either the die-grinder or the Ramset, but it would be nice to see how resistant it is to some of the other typical attacks before going to what we know will destroy it.
I was sure the hydrolic cutters were going to cause thehardened metal to break like some of the other hardened steel ones. I for sure expected it wasn't going to cut in, but to not break from sharing forces focused points is impressive.
this is great for the money - i just splashed out on an ebike so have bought one of these. The weight dosnt matter so much on an ebike. If i ever find i need to regularly leave the bike out in public unattended, I will probably buy a second one and colour code them with key
Let's see the ramset try to shatter the shackle since it's so hard! If this withstands the hydraulic cutters, the ramset, and is decently pick-resistant, it may be a truly secure lock.
before you rush out and buy this, remember that locks have many different aspects to them. the mounting bracket for this is terrible, for example, and there are several complaints of the internal locking mechanism rusting easily and seizing up, and the keys being made of soft, easily breakable pot metal. so if only the shackle concerns you, then this is a great buy. I typically carry ulocks in a travel bag or backpack so this works for me.
2 brute locks used Both became Unusable about a year after they were bought, Key no longer turns, nothing but steel was left by then. Nothing could save it.
Please test the Onguard Pitbull with the 14mm shackle. If it survived, it would make it the most affordable lock that can resist brute force attacks. Would be nice to see you hit them with a hammer as well.
Finally a hardened shackle that is actually hardened. I come across many locks that say hardened and their not. I feel it's Flat out false advertisement but I guess they don't have to specify how hard.
Love your videos, went to the website to buy one and then got confused from all the different locks in the 8 series, so really confused about differences between 8001 and 8002 for example, would be great if you or someone can explain. Thanks
That settles it. This is my new lock. Hard to pick because of its odd keyset, and hard enough to resist cutting. On Guard is hit or miss and many have flaws other than picking or destroying, such as the Bulldog being susceptible to water damage, and the keys on all of them break the heads off because they are just molded plastic, but with the shackle housing I suspect this will resist the seizing I got with the Bulldog.
A little curious about the hydraulic cutters - they look similar to what is usually used to cut steel rebar - while often larger in diameter than a shackle, rebar is definitely not hardened. Watching the cutters themselves fail in a ductile manner (i.e., bending out of the way) it seems unlikely that this particular tool is meant to cut hardened steel. As a metallurgist, I would expect much harder blades, that would tend to fail in a more brittle manner (i.e., chip/crack) - these look like perhaps they have been case hardened (i.e., the surface has been hardened) but are not a tool steel or something along those lines (certainly not a carbide cutter). I am wondering if the failure of the tool here is more of a case of the wrong tool for the job than anything else - similar to the analogy in a previous video of using a bolt cutter designed to cut hardened steel vs. one designed to cut copper or aluminum conductors. This video seems to be more of a demonstration of how case hardened steel is no match for a properly hardened shackle. As the hydraulic cutter videos have been coming along, I have been wanting to advise using a scatter shield of some sort to protect from "shrapnel" from when the cutters shatter when they do meet something they can't handle - obviously not the issue with these, though, as they bend rather than snap.
Looking at the damage on the lock it made me think. If you damaged your own locks in such a way as to make them look like they resist such lock-breaking tools, then it could deter a would-be thief. And he'd be walking away thinking that he saved himself the trouble and feeling quite clever. All the while your lock could be cut apart with a pair of pliers for all he knew!
I'd really like to see how would hydraulic cutters fare against ABUS GRANIT XPlus 540 lock, supposedly the most secure U-lock that money can buy (and it's quite expensive at that). The shackle on it might be hardened but it looks too thin to be able to resist the cutters, this OnGuard looks much sturdier...
And about 10x the bang for your buck. All the big Brand U locks are toast after this test as now no need to spend more than the $30 to $40 max to buy the onguard Brute. Glad I did after seeing this.
Wow. Did not expect any u lock to withstand hydraulic press. Great video! Please keep up the great work!! 👍🏻 Can you get harder blades for the press? 👍🏻 👍🏻 Could you please try a cordless grinder on that lock? 👌
Downside is the hernia you get from carrying this lock. I'd like to see how the Kryptonite Evolution Lite Mini-6 holds up. It's not a big city or college campus-rated lock, but it is a hardened U that's reasonably light. (Very small, but I've always been able to find a spot to lock with it, even with a bike with very fat tubes.)
Do you think you could get a set of jaws hardened to just past the hardness of the lock? If you go to the right metal shop, they'll have an indent tester to let you know how hard the lock actually is, then either they (or some other youtuber, perhaps) could heat-treat the jaws past that value. (Actually, maybe you could an indent tester for yourself - it could be an interesting bit of info to provide for "hardened" shackles on all types of lock)
![[797] Hydraulic Cutter EXPLODES vs. Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Lock](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jXoS_HB1I3o/mqdefault.jpg)
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Sad day for hydraulics :(
Do you think it will stand up to a 150 ton press?
it is about time people to see what happens with cheap junk and what happens with quality stuff. i have sneaky suspicion what broke the blades of the hydraulic cutters. i suspect one exact lock.
HPC, there are a couple locks in this video series which defeated the cutter. How about I send them your way for... um... “further testing”? 😈 Let me know. 👍
LOL! You're turn! :D
It's extremely dangerous and can lock you out of your bicycle, so we have to deal with it.
OnGuard's marketing should have this video plastered on it's website. o_O
Except the part where he plugs his video about how he picked it already
@@ercERCR You think bike thieves have enough brain cells to learn to pick a lock? Much easier to use a hacksaw or bolt cutters
@@ItsMonkeyNews that's an ignorant comment. Of course thief's know how to pick locks. It's less obvious than carrying a hacksaw or bolt cutters. Stealing bikes is big business, cops set up bait bikes to see where the bikes go to get resold or parted out just like cars.
OnGuard's share price went up after this video was released.....LockPickingLawyer influences the market.
Esteban C. It's worth noting that it took ~2min for profesional to pick it in perfect conditions. This should be more than adequate to deter almost any thief since they are usually giving up if lock doesn't give up within one minute or so.
I never thought I would see that title
He started with low quality U locks to make 100 videos on the subject instead of lock picking... I guess the hydrolic tool is a bit expensive...
I never thought watching a dude talk about picking locks could be interesting or addictive...good work man. The videos are really interesting to watch.
This is the most meaningful endorsement of a product that I have ever seen.
yep, meaningfull, but i firmly believe this is not an ad. this is good show why high end products are vastly superior to cheapo junk
Higher hardness means more brittle though, I wonder if that could be used against it... Though might just be case hardened. Either way insane to see those jaws deform like that!
Would hope that with being so thick that the core was softer so you get the best of both worlds.
That's what I was thinking, too. I wonder how this lock would stand up to an attack of liquid nitrogen and a heavy hammer.
Good amounts of vanadium and molybdenum, and you can have both. This lock looks like spanner grade steel, hard as a bastard and real chewy tough.
@@miltonkuo SECONDED i came to say the same thing
Maker's Muse. I'm sure you could 3d print a better one ;p
In comparison to the other ones we saw, it is just amazing to me how there is barely a scratch on the shackle.
do not be amazed. high grade materials. better processing, it is high grade for a good reason. you saw why.
You should have picked it again to show it who's boss.
@SebiTimeWaster ASSERT DOMINANCE!
Yes! He should’ve picked it again right there after it resisted the cutters.
And then peed on it afterwards
Like in Shogun ! !@@elvispresley7529
@@elvispresley7529 xDDD
It’s a huge deal if you see “fail” in the title of an LPL video. After i saw those deformed blades, i literally spilled my water all over the place
I did a spit take and the water fried my laptop.
@@pioneerAv Louis Rossman can fix that for you! ;-)
@Gloomy Goddezz As always, I hope you learned something!
"Fail" is not in the title of this video.
aszi88 there’s always a person who wants to argue.. you understood my point, there’s no need to be salty
This is my lock model! So proud of this baby, it's been securing a
rather expensive bike in downtown Philly and more recently the South
Side of Chicago for about 4 years now. What with the moderately
difficult pick for LPL and the hydraulic bolt-cutter resistance, I'm
glad to again confirm I made a great purchase. Only $55 when I got it!
A survivor from the Garage!!! hahah! I did not see that coming.... I expected the title was misleading, and the lock would be mangled, but not be completely openable, despite being ruined....
Nope! Barely a scratch. I am shocked, I'm not gonna lie....
yep high grade locks are high grade for a reason. all U-locks look similar, but perform differently.
I actually have this lock. It's a bit on the bulky side, but feels really solid and strong. Someone actually tried to steal my new bike with this on it as I noticed that the rubber layer had saw-marks appear on it. Only managed to scrape and peel the rubber though - the metal is barely untouched so I'm definitely pleased. Not a fan of the bright colors in these heavy-duty locks as they kinda scream "look at me", but other than that I can definitely recommend this one. Majority of bike thefts are focused on shitty cheap locks and the thieves are rarely professional lockpickers, so this does the job as long as you lock it onto a pole of some sort. :)
That was awesome, I didn't think that lock stood a chance. Very well done Mr.L.P.L. GREAT VIDEO
Pro Tip-- when the pump will not allow any more force to be applied to the handle, do not raise the handle to full open. Just raise it a small amount then push it closed. It will make a smaller bite at the blades, but it will move.
Given the way the blade deformed, I don't think that's going to help. The energy is going into deforming the blades, not cutting the shackle.
Russell Hltn yeah, but they might have shattered, and that would have been epic footage!
At last something worth buying. Thanks for your work.
yeah, finally. i was sick and tired being shown cheapo junks, i want to see the high end, which is really high end and which only pretends to be high end.
That rushing noise you hear is the stampede of LPL subscribers flooding to Amazon to buy this lock
One market of TH-cam that you could capitalize on, is "real world cutting". Nobody cuts these chains and locks in the "field" where conditions are not ideal. For example even with a battery operated die grinder or angle grinder, if the chain or lock has no resistance (not locked down in a vice) it will either be impossible, or at minimum extremely difficult to cut without proper support to hold it still. This is what everyone wants to see. What locks and chains will be the most difficult in real world scenarios to cut. We know nothing is cut proof in controlled settings, but what will give a theif using forced attacks the most problems in the field?
Great to see you again LPL. Only thinking yesturday that I have not seen you for awhile.
Another great video.
** New Title ** How to create a set of hydraulic wire strippers in one easy step.
Ro Yo Mi I actually have a hydraulic wire terminal crimping tool, used for things like installing new lugs on automotive battery cables, that is identical to LPL's hydraulic cutter, except that the C-shaped top part is slightly different, and instead of blades, it has quick change dies for crimping different size connectors. It works great for that purpose. Also pretty cheap for what it is, it costs about $60.
@@puckcat22679 it always amazes me how for every job there is a tool to help do it.
Love this comment
I'm very impressed. I really didn't think any lock would pass those cutters.
welcome to reality. high end stuff looks similar to cheapo junk stuff, but behaves differently
You just sold 10,000 OnGuard’s 17mm “Brute” Bicycle Locks... they should give you a cut of the profits.
wait until kryptonites step on the stage. onguard brute will look like toy. i have sneaky suspision, that in 797 the fahgettaboudit will how the hydraulic cutters who is boss, in a way that OnGuard Burte did not.
@@ShinobiDiabolik Well the OnGuard didn't even slightly deform, so I don't know what more could possibly be expected of it, or how a Kryptonite lock would outperform this demonstration.
Also, it's worth considering that this OnGuard lock is half the price of a Fahgettaboudit.
@@manysnakes and there you go the kryptonite wrecked it. I have just bought one for 40quid off ebay brand new
@@Marky321321 The point is that you get effectively equivalent protection for half the price. Anyone with an angle grinder (the real way that U-locks are defeated) is going to get through either in ~10-15 seconds.
damn that lock is bolt cutter proof and it took the LPL 3 minutes to pick it. thats a damn good lock!
Very cool video,its so rare to see your tools or methods being defeated by anything. That on guard slaughtered those hydraulic cutters. Thanks for the review brother
think you could get some hardness testing files? i'd be curious what the actual hardness is. for it to defeat that thing so easily its gotta be at least over 50 hrc
I think its over 9000
Well, put this Brute 8001 lock in Atlanta, Georgia, or Chicago, and it would get defeated in a day. Crime is pretty high in those cities. Lol... ツ
Are you talking about Vicker's scale, or Moh's scale, cos Moh's only goes up to 10.
Master Lock in shivers: "Once you go down to the garage, you never come back the same again."
On Guard Lock: STAREDOWN
Wow.
Send the lock to the Hydraulic Press Channel - the hydraulic cutter must be avenged!
who cares about the Hydraulic Press Channel?
It is Odd to not see a fail video but super cool to actually see a lock hold up to cutters.
Those cutters put out 12 tons (24,000lbs) of force.
I was apart of the marketing team that designed and first sold these cutters.
They are actually hydraulic rebar cutters.
We made these cutters, aswell as a smaller design the YQK-70 with its chassis used for wire crimping. The small version can put out 12,000lbs (6 tons) of force about half as much as the rebar cutter. You can get a mini one to put in your pocket, and change out the crimping end tool with the rebar cutter end and get a small concealable hydraulic mini bolt cutters.
We eventually after several prototypes, sold the patents for the rebar cutter and wire crimps to the Chinese.
"Let's Get to Pumping" is a new twist on a good-ol' LPL turn-of-phrase!
Time for new blades, I guess?
Blades were already significantly damaged from previous cuts.
Those are pretty cheap and easy to replace, LPL probably gets them in packs of 12
yep he put and new blades just broke. however i see inconsistency current set of blades got bent, and blades in 797 will break. LPL is few videos ahead of what he is showing us. more info on twitter
get some higher hardness blades. Have AVE make some form the tungsten carbide bits he got out of a boring head.
there are blades designed to make a cut of this type, but they're kind of expensive. you need to pick up some relatively expensive blades for this type of cut made of two different materials bonded together.
I'm about to buy a Super 73 ebike and i was worried seeking a good lock for it and now i think this will be a serious option for it. Thanks for this video.
I love that you number your videos, it makes them really easy to find. You did however forgot to drop the link to 676 in the description
Great! Thank you @LockPickingLawyer for posting this attack on the Brute. I kind of knew that this is probably one of the only U Locks out there that would survive these Hydrolic Bolt Croppers and glad you confirmed it. Your tests incenivise Lock makers to up their game. This Brute of a lock all for only $30 to $40!!! No need to waste your money on the likes of Krytonite & ABUS... I am so glad I did my research and have this Lock securing my bike
HALLELUJAH! THE BRUTE CAN'T BUST!
Now time to get out the rammset and let it defend the honor of the hydraulic cutter
forget about ramset, in this class, everything is too massive for the ramset
I have that one. It's great. Never had a problem.
Hardness and tempering are very important. They can harden them all they want, but if they're left glass hard they'll shatter pretty easily. Tempering is a very important part of the hardening process. And it appears they did it right on this one.
Soul crushing to see the Hydraulic Cutters fail.. it's like watching one of your favorite Superheros lose in a fight.
With the cutters last pump, one could hear it cry out.
Ramset! Avenge me!
Again and again LPL provides great info for all the people needing quality products or a way to avoid the rubbish ones 😁.
Could you please also include the picking resistance to these locks too? Thanks, and keep up the great work 👍
Finally! the video I've been waiting for since you started showcasing this tool. That shackle is definitely a much harder material than the cutting blade. Do they make stronger blades?
This hard shackle could be vulnerable to hammer blow. But that's where there extra plastic 'bumper' might come handy, softening the blow.
If it were, it would need to have the U lock on the ground for this method of attack to stand a chance of success. In real world scenario on a bicycle this would nearly always be 2ft off the ground if locked sensibly.
after watching a few videos.
I want to pick a bunch of bike locks and switch who's bike they are each securing.
I won't because, way too much work, and it's still probably a crime.
Fun channel none the less. I hope lock making companies are trying to hire you to make their products more secure.
Tested anything against M12 Milwaukee bandsaw. It's very cheap, small portable battery bandsaw. It's cut easily every lock shackle I've tried (cheapo ones).
You could even revisit all the shackles you've already hydraulic snapped.
True....the grinder gets through it all. But we are looking at the quieter threat here.
@@BD90.. Bandsaw is so much quieter than a grinder fwiw...
@@PowerScissor fair enough. But it works
The biggest issue with power tools are the obviousness of using them for theft. Your bandsaw may be quieter than a battery-operated angle grinder, and it may be small for a bandsaw, it's not exactly small or readily concealed. A small angle grinder might be able to fit into a large coat pocket well enough for it to not be seen until it's taken out for use, but your bandsaw isn't even going to conceal well under a trenchcoat.
Then there's the issue of time spent trying to align the bandsaw to the lock to cut it when it's locking up a bike. The bandsaw is going to be much more limited compared to the angle grinder in how it can be applied to the lock, requiring a fair amount of clearance on both sides of the lock. A bike with baskets or other bolt-on accessories might prevent that bandsaw from having that clearance while an angle grinder doesn't require a whole lot more clearance than a human arm and hand needs to use the lock to begin with.
This lock is almost 11/16" thick. It would increase the time for either tool to cut it, and that might be enough to cause a thief to seek a different bike.
Machinist answer: If the shack is truly hardened (sure looks that way) then the bandsaw blade is almost certainly going to wear out before you get through both sides of this thing. Tool has to be harder than the work piece, so you're looking at carbide or an abrasive to have much luck. Good thought though!
Just listen to the nice man's soothing voice.
Chewed up those cutter jaws.
Just to think all the other locks that gave in so easily without any resistance.
I wonder if the hardness now means the shackle is rather brittle, maybe a hefty strike with a well placed sledge hammer blow could shatter it? Of course the ramset would see it as no challenge at all with it's impact.
it looks like the manufacturer also tempered the shackle. tempering takes little hardness away from the shackle, to remove brittle, but leave enough hardness to resist cutting. Relax it is not nuclear physics.
The striker in the Ramset isn't indestructible, and it might be difficult to get that part.
My first thought as well - probably not stupidly brittle, but let's whack it to find out xd
Didn't think it possible but wow. I'd like you try this one more time though with a set of fresh blades and a blowtorch. Just heat up the area you're going to cut to a mild glow and then try again. I'd also like to see some tests with extreme temperature difference.
Well done on guard and well done the lock picking lawyer for another fantastic video
BRB, going to go buy some OnGuard Brutes before the prices go up...
I got one of these for $35 on Amazon a few years back. These Onguard locks tend to be available for quite a bit less than an equivalent Kryptonite lock. I own a Kryptonite u-lock too but the key on this Onguard is a lot less finicky to use.
nice just bought one after using the thinner on guard, didn't see this before i bought it but good value for money
He! I was already planned to get an OnGuard Brute U-Lock for the new bike I'm gonna buy soon before even watch this video, now I'm glad even more for my choice :D thx for the amazing video, OnGuard brute is definitely a BEAST! of a lock :P
It cost like 20-30 USD or EUR. *One of the best locks for this price.*
NGL I was second guessing my decision to buy one of these so I checked to see if LPL had a video on it. I think I'm cool with my decision now lol.
I think this a great thing you do.
The jaws of the cutter are massive and you would need ample room to get it between a bike, post and whatever else in inside the shackle.
Perhaps a pipe to slide over the shackle that's bigger then the jaws would be good. Sure they can cut the pipe and such but it's added time and pain.
ayyy! my lock! i'm so proud! thanks for the test.
Thank you for sharing.
I'm looking to buy a U-lock, and the 8002 (i assume its a newer version), its one of the cheapest (and good) sold in my country.
The kryptonite's down here are just too expensive.
Thank you for sharing, i might go with one of these!
*surprised pikachu face*
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Dead meme.
Happy Mooncake face
Would be nice now to slowly up the ante on it. Hacksaw, die grinder, then finally the Ramset. It'll definitely fail on either the die-grinder or the Ramset, but it would be nice to see how resistant it is to some of the other typical attacks before going to what we know will destroy it.
I was sure the hydrolic cutters were going to cause thehardened metal to break like some of the other hardened steel ones. I for sure expected it wasn't going to cut in, but to not break from sharing forces focused points is impressive.
That’s bloody impressive.
Best of your videos. Product upheld a standard. Win.
this is great for the money - i just splashed out on an ebike so have bought one of these. The weight dosnt matter so much on an ebike. If i ever find i need to regularly leave the bike out in public unattended,
I will probably buy a second one and colour code them with key
I would be interested to see you perform this test on ABUS brand U Locks for bikes.
Let's see the ramset try to shatter the shackle since it's so hard! If this withstands the hydraulic cutters, the ramset, and is decently pick-resistant, it may be a truly secure lock.
before you rush out and buy this, remember that locks have many different aspects to them.
the mounting bracket for this is terrible, for example, and there are several complaints of the internal locking mechanism rusting easily and seizing up, and the keys being made of soft, easily breakable pot metal.
so if only the shackle concerns you, then this is a great buy. I typically carry ulocks in a travel bag or backpack so this works for me.
2 brute locks used Both became Unusable about a year after they were bought, Key no longer turns, nothing but steel was left by then. Nothing could save it.
Please test the Onguard Pitbull with the 14mm shackle. If it survived, it would make it the most affordable lock that can resist brute force attacks. Would be nice to see you hit them with a hammer as well.
It was so nice to finally see a u lock survive! Lol
See? Now THIS is what we needed to see.
OnGaurd should put a more secure core in. That would make it one of the best and cheapest bicycle U-locks on the market.
Finally a hardened shackle that is actually hardened. I come across many locks that say hardened and their not. I feel it's Flat out false advertisement but I guess they don't have to specify how hard.
Yes, you delivered! Cheers man!
Love your videos, went to the website to buy one and then got confused from all the different locks in the 8 series, so really confused about differences between 8001 and 8002 for example, would be great if you or someone can explain. Thanks
I have one of these that I use with a separate hardened cable lock. Been using it for a couple of years now.
That settles it. This is my new lock. Hard to pick because of its odd keyset, and hard enough to resist cutting. On Guard is hit or miss and many have flaws other than picking or destroying, such as the Bulldog being susceptible to water damage, and the keys on all of them break the heads off because they are just molded plastic, but with the shackle housing I suspect this will resist the seizing I got with the Bulldog.
Would be interested a test with the pitbull and bulldog Onguard's locks vs the hydraulic cutter
At last, Brilliant defeat on the cutter's ;)
Time to buy that lottery ticket!
A little curious about the hydraulic cutters - they look similar to what is usually used to cut steel rebar - while often larger in diameter than a shackle, rebar is definitely not hardened. Watching the cutters themselves fail in a ductile manner (i.e., bending out of the way) it seems unlikely that this particular tool is meant to cut hardened steel. As a metallurgist, I would expect much harder blades, that would tend to fail in a more brittle manner (i.e., chip/crack) - these look like perhaps they have been case hardened (i.e., the surface has been hardened) but are not a tool steel or something along those lines (certainly not a carbide cutter). I am wondering if the failure of the tool here is more of a case of the wrong tool for the job than anything else - similar to the analogy in a previous video of using a bolt cutter designed to cut hardened steel vs. one designed to cut copper or aluminum conductors. This video seems to be more of a demonstration of how case hardened steel is no match for a properly hardened shackle.
As the hydraulic cutter videos have been coming along, I have been wanting to advise using a scatter shield of some sort to protect from "shrapnel" from when the cutters shatter when they do meet something they can't handle - obviously not the issue with these, though, as they bend rather than snap.
I've been working backwards thru the videos so I get to see the locks winning first.
Looking at the damage on the lock it made me think. If you damaged your own locks in such a way as to make them look like they resist such lock-breaking tools, then it could deter a would-be thief. And he'd be walking away thinking that he saved himself the trouble and feeling quite clever. All the while your lock could be cut apart with a pair of pliers for all he knew!
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That's stupid
Yeah if anything they'll just use that damage as a point to expand on
OnGuard should be proud!
Now that's some well hardened steel!
The first lock to survive a trip to the garage.
I can't say I'm not impressed.
OnGuard should sponsor this video...
Very surprised thought they would cut most locks glad that's the lock I use 👍
Should use the cutters on different chain locks as well 👍
LPL stamp of approval.
Master Lock has snuck into your garage & secretly changed the cutting blades
No freakin way .
The invincible has been defeated
I stopped shopping for Final Four tickets to watch this video!
Hit it with the ram set!
Dear Santa: please send me some new hydraulic cutter blades and some deep heat for my sprained shoulder.
I'd really like to see how would hydraulic cutters fare against ABUS GRANIT XPlus 540 lock, supposedly the most secure U-lock that money can buy (and it's quite expensive at that). The shackle on it might be hardened but it looks too thin to be able to resist the cutters, this OnGuard looks much sturdier...
And about 10x the bang for your buck. All the big Brand U locks are toast after this test as now no need to spend more than the $30 to $40 max to buy the onguard Brute. Glad I did after seeing this.
Wow. Did not expect any u lock to withstand hydraulic press. Great video! Please keep up the great work!!
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Can you get harder blades for the press?
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Could you please try a cordless grinder on that lock?
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Downside is the hernia you get from carrying this lock. I'd like to see how the Kryptonite Evolution Lite Mini-6 holds up. It's not a big city or college campus-rated lock, but it is a hardened U that's reasonably light. (Very small, but I've always been able to find a spot to lock with it, even with a bike with very fat tubes.)
So there is a light at the end of the security tunnel after all! Snuff it out with a picking session! 😈
Do you think you could get a set of jaws hardened to just past the hardness of the lock? If you go to the right metal shop, they'll have an indent tester to let you know how hard the lock actually is, then either they (or some other youtuber, perhaps) could heat-treat the jaws past that value.
(Actually, maybe you could an indent tester for yourself - it could be an interesting bit of info to provide for "hardened" shackles on all types of lock)