They received an "I probably wouldn't get in". AKA the highest praise giveable by such a gifted tradesman. Wow. I'm still in shock at this compliment from him.
Only because it's security through obscurity. You could really, very easily make locks that would be just as likely to be picked as this, that are still quite simple concepts
As potatosordfighter666 pointed out (I have to even ask what that handle means), "it's security through obscurity". Which is actually what I consider the best first line of defense, having worked securing data systems. So it was deserved praise for true originality. That shouldn't be the extent of your security, however. That only stops people on the first pass, the goal of it being to discourage 99% of would-be intruders to go seek an easier target. The 1% that sees it as a "challenge", however, are going to be back with a vengeance, so the rest of your defenses better be ready for it.
It's really inconvenient to put in place of normal door locks and there wasn't much of picking involved as it was more about unscrewing an unusual bolt.
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@@NorthernKitty And if you're up against a APT, this lock (only) means you're SOL.
while I do not work in locks, our QA, would all be written up and than told it needs fixed and to come up with a design in a week to have our maintenance department order new tooling to do such, without test running it, so the poor QA team gets tons of write ups and suspensions because of it.
@@donaldbrorson4583 i dunno video is 3 years old and this dude uploads a bunch of locks, no theif is gonna carry every type of lockpick, just a basic set which can open 99% of locks.
@@sonicmeerkat agreed but typically they scope out a place then return prepared. This is why most criminals tend to be caught. They tend to show up the week or so before scoping out in less clad.
@@unadultratedtrini honestly i'd call that a success, every lock can be bypassed with a physical attack anyway, the real goal of a lock is to get the intruder caught by narrowing down who it could be or by the vandalism actually forcing the cops to get involved.
I can just imagine a merchant trying to sell this in a roleplaying game like D&D. "Oh nothing is _completely_ invulnerable no... but I can assure you it would take an act of _extraordinary_ violence."
@@fuzzyfuzzyfungus Yeah, it's more like an "ultimate idiot-proof anti-tamper safety lock" than an unpickable lock for theft prevention in a sense... Although obivously it would prevent most theft except for trained professionals.
Dude that sandpaper trick is really smart. As a mechanic I’ve never thought about that. I’m definitely stealing that trick next time I’m picking something up covered in oil with needle nose
From the Ted Tooling website: "Using never before seen technology, it is purely mechanical only and is the only patented lock to use the new innovation of a bolt with a key... No other key in the world uses the unique technology to open the lock, meaning that it is IMPOSSIBLE to open the bolt without this key... There’s nothing else like it." LPL: "Grab onto the grabby thing with another grabby thing, and turn.
This makes me kind of sad for them. I think they really believed that it was impossible to open. Much less, extremely easy to open with a low skill method. This might be okay for home use. But anything important should be secured with something better. Which is exactly the opposite of what the website says. Very sad.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable they had the hubris to call it unpickable. That's where they went wrong. At $400 and with the inconvenient key and opening method, this is terrible for home use.
Gotta respect the balls it takes for a company to send their locks to LPL. I imagine most lock company's PR departments sweating buckets when the see their name in the title/thumbnail.
I mean, the lock keeps up pretty good. No random burglar runs around with two pliers extra to their gear. So unless specifically targeted, your tool shack is pretty safe :D
Its advertising as well no ones sweating bullets trust me, sales from most these locks that look pretty sturdy an intimidating to a theif would have an increase in purchases being on this channel.
@@robertnett9793 A lock like this will protect something quite valuable, which will not be targeted by "random" burglars but someone that prepared a little. If they find out that you can open this lock with a magnet and two pliers, I'm sure they'll be very happy. Locking your tool shack could even make a burglar be interested in it and he might simply screw out the hinges to see what's inside.
@@zagreus5773 Ah. Dammit. So back to the hollywood-laser-alarm system it is. This way I get at least athletic flexible and hopefully good looking burglars in ninja outfit / catsuits...
We would all pay good money to watch Mrs. LPL fight any lock to get to her ice cream. Although, he would need to make sure to secure the entire ice cream packaging this time.
What lock picking lawyer had taught me is nothing is un-pickable, just unknown. As soon as the unknown becomes known, it's pickable. The average person will walk up to this and not even know it's a lock. If you know how it works it's easier to pick than a standard lock.
If you watch a conference he animated (somewhere on youtube, it was recommended to me a few weeks ago), you'll see he actually strongly condemns the "security by obscurity" mindset that a lot of security companies have.
@@unter9982 My comment in no way says that security by obscurity is good. In fact, if anything, it would imply the opposite. The observation is that your security is only as good as it is against someone who's aware of what they're up against. Something being secure against an untrained individual is okay and even adequate in certain scenarios, but it means nothing at the end of the day if someone who knows what they're attacking can just walk right in, because there's an easy exploit to be had, even if the average person wouldn't have even tried to enter in the first place. Therefore, securing something in a manner that leaves you more vulnerable to skilled individuals by just appearing impenetrable to a layman is not a particularly good idea.
@@nickwilliams2415 I completely agree, encountering this lock in the field and not knowing how it works and not having specific tools makes this a very secure lock
@@unter9982 Yet passwords or safe combinations or keys are exactly that when you boil it down to its essence, security by obscurity. There's many different 'authentication factors', but in the end they boil down to really only a few things, ranked in order of how often they're used are: - Knowledge factors (keys, pins, passwords, patterns, codes programmed into RFID/NFC chips, etc) - Posession factors (the actual entry password is auto-generated and sent by request to a phone or other identification device the authorized person holds in possession) - Location factors (niche, but can be very effective) - Time factors (niche, but can be very effective) The reason a key is a Knowledge factor and not a Posession factor in my opinion is because you can fabricate keys so long as you know the cuts... there's a reason LPL doesn't show the keys on camera for locks in active use. Whether fingerprints or retinal scans should be considered Knowledge or Posession factors is up for debate.. although given how easily they're recreated/spoofed I'd personally be inclined to call them Knowledge factors as well. So yeah, most of all applied factors are, in actuality, a form of security by obscurity.. unfortunate as that may be.
To make it impossible to use pliers, simply modify the design (c'bore vs c'sink) so the bolt head come flush with the top. Also Cade Ridley came with a great idea (fake key hole)
I don’t think the intended special nut wrench mechanism (using ball bearing stabilization) is working anymore as soon as you make the bold head countersink
I always imagine the development team of these locks watching these videos, feeling crushed to the bone that their masterpiece had been ruined within 60 seconds
Either a curse or a gift as they can find the flaws and improve on the next batch, like how , in WW2, the British stole German notes about captured Churchill tanks and used it to improve the design and so forth
LPL provides a damn valuable service to the companies developing new lock designs. You basically get thousands of hours of expertise to show you how to re-engineer your products weak points and all it costs you is a mildly embarrassing video tear down of your prototype.
its easy to be fixed, the mechanism that take the key has to be inverted inside the locks body, so there is no point where u can grab that. the key would need a hull though, for carrying around, cause the pins would be elevated
@@DMS20231 i have a theory. Yoy might could overcome that by replacing the pins with tiny ball bearings. That way they wouldn't lock into the key slots, but to a lock picking thief they would feel like regular pins. Maybe it would work 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Another good advantage with this lock is that it can easily be sealed in a way that makes it practically impossible to destroy the seal without opening the lock, showing bad intent. That by using 2 sticker-based seals on the bolt carrier, where the bolt pin would exit. Since the bolt carrier has 2 shallow holes corresponding to pins in lock body, that prevents lock body from rotating relative to the bolt carrier, the seals cannot be destroyed by someone by mistake, you actually have to open the lock to destroy the seals, showing you had a intent to access the area.
@@The1stDragonRider "Lock picking is the practice of unlocking a lock by manipulating the components of the lock device without the original key." Edit: adding to that, if you are using a Bobby pin you are still picking a lock, so no lockpicks are needed for lockpicking.
@@joshduthie3401 Anyone that wants ''truly secure' locks are fooling themselves. If a lock is good enough to bar someone from entry so long as they don't have a substantial period of time alone with the lock is secure enough. No defense mechanism is going to defeat someone with as much time as tools as they want to breakthrough. If it delays people enough that gives security a chance to find the person. If bypassing is too bothersome thieves won't even try and find a softer target. Shit locks that are easily brute-forced with basic tools do little but it still works on thieves of opportunity who see the lock and leave. After that are the decent locks that require effort (and possible loud violence) to bypass which will deter most thieves unless you are a specified target or very juicy because why bother picking that lock when their are softer targets nearby.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 I dont know what you mean. This is the First Lock on the Channel that really impressed me. Just the Magnet alone is enough to make it that Most people cant get in. The locking mechanism is breakable, but only If you are prepared and know what you will find. If you buy this Lock, you could garantee that noone would bei able to break it. He even said himself, that he needs to be really prepared. You will never find a perfekt Lock, because If there is a Key there is a way to break it.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 To be fair, this is a "lock" without an actual key, just a special magnet to turn a large screw with a flat head it seems. Nothing about it seems "locked", more assembled.
You know Kyle at the lock company lost the bet that the Lawyer would not get it open. His 6 months or work designing the magnetic cover plate, wasted. Poor kyle!
"As you can see, there are a lot of interesting shaped rocks around here. I just need to look around for a moment to find a suitably shaped one and... We'll just put this in right here. There we go. Due to the heat this lock could prove a challenge to some. In any case, that's all I have for you today."
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 it would be a hallway with a door every 5 foot locked with a masterlock that just goes round in a circle with an imp a few doors back closing them back up
I think I've finally figured out LPL's endgame. He's teaching criminals how to pick locks so that, when they inevitably get arrested, he can represent them in court! A pretty sound business strategy if you ask me.
Criminals don’t actually pick locks that much - it takes too long, and very few criminals would bother to put in that much effort. There’s a reason why most break-ins involve the criminal smashing a window or breaking open a door. And also why most locks are designed to be cut/drill-resistant.
The only amount of security this lock has is the fact that the average person would have no clue wtf they're even looking at. This doesn't even resemble a lock its just a metal ball
That seems to be the design philosophy for the lock in general. Weird shape, awkward stopper over the key way, threaded backwards, etc. Tbh that on it’s own might be a decent deterrent for most petty thieves. Don’t want to be sat around just solving a puzzle in a risky situation, right?
@@archdetective As a guy who retired after 27 years of construction welding, I can say with extreme confidence that a grinder will get past those welds. I can't tell you how many welds I've had to grind out because of bad fabrication. In the end, I always get the parts free from the welds.
Not really security by obscurity. Locks that have a core requiring a special tool would fit that bill. This is just a one time lock. After seeing the lock that one time and doing an hours research its worse than a Masterlock.
Well, it's one of my biggest issues with the lock mechanism. Once you remove the cap using magnet, you can see the combination directly. After making a photo, one could make his own key.
@@FioEl54 This is exactly what the term "security by obscurity" means. You don't look at how secure a lock is against an unprepared attacker who doesn't know how it works, it has to be secure against a prepared attacker who knows how it works. Security by obscurity means: I think it is secure because you have not seen this yet. This is exactly what this lock does: Almost impossible to crack if unprepared, but really easy if you know what it is.
One thing I like about it is the stealth: I wouldn't even expect that the center-piece must be pulled out with a magnet. I'd be simply confused. If they simply put a regular lock inside it'd be better.
Regular locks need regular tools, and regular tools are what you usually bring. Like he said, if you're not prepared for this outlandish lock, then you would just be forced to sigh and leave unless you happened to bring an entire toolbox.
@@brookefoxie9610 on the other hand any idiot who has seen how it works once, can easily get in without much skill, after spending 5$ at a hardware store.
@@sweetbabytrae Perhaps with one of those "double key" type setups like the bike lock he once picked? I don't see any way you'd be able to tension them both and pick both in a recess like that, like you said even a regular lock would be significantly more difficult to pick.
@@brookefoxie9610 i would argue the tools required to pick this lock are far more "regular" for any non locksmith than most traditional locks. His regular or basic tools are not the same as everyone else's. regular.
Ted tooling: “this lock is unpickable” The average smart arse: “this isn’t a lock, this is just a bolt that has dimples in it, it can’t be picked by design as there is nothing to pick!” LPL: “sandpaper seems set, the first pliers are binding...”
But... he DOES know better, and so do we all now, haha. It's not difficult at all. A simple universal socket would defeat it. Or a screw tap bit (for stripped screws). Or a drill to make a hole in the middle and a screwdriver to hammer into it, biting the sides. Or a strong pair of tweezers/2 chopsticks/a needlenose pushed into those dimples...
@@ArtemisKitty To be fair, your average person who would try to take this despite the lock, probably wouldn't figure out how to open this. Edit: the commenter below knows more than me lol
@@ArtemisKitty Don't forget that the bolt threaded in reverse, which would be a problem for screw taps and extractors, and the head is rounded, which wouldn't offer any purchase to those dinky pinned universal sockets.
@@ArtemisKitty it's easy if you're prepared. if you're not, you'll just look at it with wonder and before you figure it out, the owner has already returned. simplicity does not always easily translate to practicality.
0:30 “It’s almost certainly tougher than whatever you are locking” What you don’t know is that I use this lock to guard my large collection of these locks
Make an entire container purely out of a bunch of these locks locked to each other so that whatever you're locking is exactly as strong as the lock itself
@@AlcoholicBoredom i imagine the manufacturers/sellers might specify it's use, but i imagine it's probably more for larger storage containers? Ultimately, it needs something the pin can slide into, so either 2 latches that can't be pulled apart, or a singular latch with a hole for the lock to block it from opening (like a side gate you'd find on a house). But considering how thick the pin looks, it seems..very specialized. Kinda reminds me of those puck locks which ive seen used on a lot of vans that have 2 doors on the back
@@nutbastard i mean if it's full steel body, it's pretty much impenetrable for any handheld gun. With how much metal there are, i'd say anything less than 30mm AP will have significant issues going through, if it will at all, even say 20mm
You would certainly need to know a lot about this device in order to pick it. A fascinating product that showcases how lockpicking and bypassing security works by understanding how that security itself functions.
I think they'd have a solid lock if they had made the bolt sunk into the casing so you can't grip it and require the key to be pushed into it to actually get leverage to twist it.
Hiding the bolt head in a counterbore would foil the method shown, but it could still be easily opened by methods such as placing rods in two of the holes and using pliers to grip them and remove the bolt. However, all these methods involve figuring out that a left hand thread is used.
I suspect this lock is best used in locations where extreme violence is the primary threat a lock faces, Pretty hard to build a complex lock that can withstand explosives.
@@eVill420 That would work very well. Use a very durable but otherwise simple secondary lock to obscure, secure, and protect the primary lock. The secondary lock would need to be monitored or otherwise tracked for tampering as someone could pick the secondary lock and relock it after encountering the primary lock, Allowing them to comeback at a later date with the right equipment to defeat the primary lock as well.
Apparently, You'd need no less than a .50 cal to even get put a hole in this thing. I just came to this video from a demo ranch video that tested how bullet proof it is.
"If I wasn't specifically prepared for it" Yeah, and Batman totally doesn't always carry a utility belt or prepares for basically every scenario. Have you ever seen Batman and LPL in the same room? I think not.
@@danieldeelite Considering how often LPL defeats lock mechanisms with magnets, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept one of those on him. The sandpaper and bolt removal implements, on the other hand...probably less likely.
@@ShjadeNexayre magnets can be real pain as you need to keep them away from other sensitive tools, don't want to magnetize them by accident, and those cheapo hotel magnetic strip cards too (although you have to keep those away from mobile phones too).
Lack of engineering in this lock, could have at least countersunk the hole containing the bolt head. This would have made the LPL’s video at least a minute longer.
That was my first thought, too. However, the bolt has a grooved head that is designed to snap onto the key's outer sleeve, indexing the wrench in place. The key/wrench would have to be redesigned a bit.
@@NoeticSystem can't they just use the shaft above the bolt to index onto the bolt? It's not like it isn't a perfect shape for it all. Hell, just shrink the hole down some more so there is even less space between the shaft and the bolt.
@@andrewtinker7537 if it is in a place where security will check your tools then it’s tough work to get the tools you need to pick this one in with you. And unless you know about the lock even with a plier you prob never thing about how you can open it to begin with.
puzzles are only solved with the hands and brain. I don't recall any puzzle on Mr. Puzzle or other puzzle channel that involved anything further than those tools and whatever comes in the package.
Honestly due to the lack of complexity of the "key" this seemed more pickable than many things ive seen before. Plier to plier is also tools i snd many others have lying around
it would cause much more headache if those dimples on the bolt and key had to be depressed properly or something. Still probably not impossible but a much bigger headache.
@@Drakir72 Then their key won't have good enough purchase on the bolt either.... This is just security through obscurity which just got absolutely shattered with the massive exposure of the inner workings of the lock.
@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102 yes.... the ignition of one of my vehicles can be started with multiple different cuts of key. A wiggle of anything wavey in that cylinder with a turn and VROOM. I must say, its nice to be able to remove the keys while its running ;) gotta love the OLD GM lock cylinders.
What I'm getting from this channel is that most locks are really just supposed to be used as an effective deterrent, rather than as an end-all solution
A good lock will keep a thief who wants anybody's valuables from taking your valuables. No lock will keep a thief who wants your valuables from taking your valuables.
You honestly only need to make the lock hard enough to open to not be worth the effort. If it would be easier to break the door, the window, cut into the safe wall, ect, then your lock is good enough. Lpl just makes it look easy because he is a master at this stuff. Most criminal lock pickers wouldn't have this much skill since they would normally only be breaking into cheap locks that are less risk.
Purchased a lock pick last winter, spent 30 minutes trying to open a garage door with it. Must be a good lock! Got locked out and was late for work... Picked the lock in under 5 minutes in a rush! Driving to work, I realized that a pro would open my lock in 15 seconds...
Two main rules of ethical lockpicking are do not pick locks you do not own and do not pick locks on which you rely. So, don't pick your garage door, lockpicking is by nature more aggressive on locks than using they key is, so it'll wear locks out faster. This can result in a shitty lock or a really good one that doesn't even accept the key that came with it.
This is another case of "it's not a lock, but it's so obnoxious that it'll still deter most people." Reminds me of the crazy Indian "lock" that was just a mechanical puzzle.
@@RenaxTM91 @Renax the Man the key here is this was designed as a key unlike a security Torx screwdriver as a security Torx screw isn't a lock in anyone's mind but a fasteners that's simply harder to unscrew. We can debate exactly what qualifies as a lick and key but I still think this is technically a lock though a weird one as it has a shackle that, secures it to a hasp.
@@MikkoRantalainen more likely since it can defeat electronic, and those 5 digit push buttons. Also if you waive a strong magnet across auto garage door openers (similar to the ones that tripp traffic signals) they all open.
@@MikkoRantalainen the "average" burglar doesn't carry any tools except maybe a hammer and a long screwdriver for punching/breaking things. The vast majority of B&Es are done using "objects of opportunity" to violate a weak point in security, such as a window or soft door. To have any value, this lock would need to be mounted to something equally durable, or else you could probably just break it off. Most hasps would break long before this lock would.
It's still a valid semantic argument. There is no lock therefore nothing to pick. Can it be opened without the custom wrench? Yeah, but they didn't say it was un-openable :) It's absolutely a semantic argument of course.
A design flaw is leaving the bolt sticking out. If the top of that bolt was snug against the bottom it would have significantly increased its picking difficulty.
There are universal tools for bolts with dimple heads. Basically the tool is pushed into two of the holes and turned. This lock needs a real keyed mechanism under the weatherproofing plug. Perhaps make it accept a KiK cylinder deep down the hole and attach the traditional key to the unusual handle. Then offer buyers a choice between a cheap Chinese core and a top of the line brand name core like a Protec 2.
Gotta give kudos to the inventor who came up with this idea. Easy to manufacture, and pretty resistant enough. (Almost all the locks in reality are resistant enough, the amount of people with picking skills and mindset for theft isn't enormous I'd think...) If the bolt had way tighter fitment in it's hole, it would be really hard.
This lock is amazing. They got the coveted “if I wasn’t prepared I probably wouldn’t get in” from LPL! That’s like the highest honor you can receive from this man 😂
@@JoelAntoinette I wonder if you could design a combination thread. Something that turned right but then had to turn left at some point. I imagine it would not be a conventional looking thread but more like a puzzle. It would be a pain to open but I'm pretty sure you'd fool everyone who ever tries opening the lock. And have the plunger lock in place somehow so it isn't immediately obvious that a magnet can remove it. Maybe with a push-turn spring compression on one-way mechanisms. Push to move the plunger down, twist to get it in place, pull up on a reverse one-way mechanism to depress the compression unit then lift it out. Finally, the depressions in the nut could be altered. One displayed at first, as you spin the tool a second, third, fourth or whatever would appear and after all depressions are established you actually get hold of the nut. This would be done simply with plates of metal attached to the nut. Also... I know nothing about locks, engineering or design... I'm talking out of my ass here so most of what I said is probably not possible.
@@leqesai it won't be hard to redesign that. They can counter sink the bolt to where it's impossible to get pliers on it. Just enough gap for the "key" wall to fit
In computer science, this is called security by obscurity. And it's a terrible long term solution. It just take one really smart person and a bit of curiosity and the whole cardboard house collapses.
The best possible security solutions hide conventional security solutions behind layers of obscurity, thus easily repelling less determined attackers, but then even if someone is smart/creative they then just run into the kind of security designed to keep them out anyway. Like hiding a really solid door behind camouflage. Only someone who already has a general idea of what they're looking for, or someone smart and creative, will get past the obscurity, only to still find a very challenging layer of security to breach anyway.
Honestly a few small tweaks to this lock would make it far more effective. For example have the bolt recessed back so that you can't touch its edges with pliers. Have the bolt be a locking bolt, that only releases if a pin/pins are depressed correctly by the tool to unlock it. Have the cap lock into place too, an extra lock before you even get to the lock if you will.
the upside is though that conventional tools of burglars like lockpicks and boltcutters are completely useless against this thing. you would have to prepare specifically for this lock,which i believe is unreasonable to expect from burglars. also,remember how many locks got fancy in their designs and whatnot,but lpl opens them with lockpicks either way.
@@MrVentches preparing for this is really simple tho. A stick and a tube of supeglue/epoxy. A drill would also be equally effective, that's a very thin bolt and it holds the entire thing together.
Was at a substation at a shared site with a water company. They left site and locked the gate leaving our lock out of the looping. First thought was to use the Milwaukee universal key, but we rattle gunned the gate brackets off one side. Drove out and installed them backwards. I believe I saw this locking system on Demolition Ranch and they gave it hell.
That was my thought, too - I figured the dimples in the head were going to interact with pins in a locking mechanism with the larger machined part and magnet-pulled cover used for environmental protection and tamper prevention... but no.
Same here. I was hoping that the pins merely line up the key properly and that there would be some interaction between magnets within the key and magnets within the lock body that would release the body from the lock pin assembly. I had all this sophisticated theory going on and all it turns out to be is a left-hand threaded bolt with a lame dimple grip.
I once received a puzzle cube as a gift. About the size of a Rubic's, but totally different. There were two halves that had to be pulled apart. Inside there were free-moving sliding pins. No matter what position you held it, some pins would be engaged across the two halves and keep it from opening. The trick? Hold it so the two halves were top and bottom, and spin it horizontally on its center. Centrifugal forces moved all the pins to disengage. Which, combined with this lock, got me thinking. These days REALLY strong magnets are easily available. Imagine a lock where there were pins keeping things from opening, but which, when a STRONG magnet was positioned JUST SO would pull the pin into a new position against the force the spring provides. It would be simple to repeat that so it takes multiple magnets. Someone more clever could make it so applying a single magnet to multiple pins, one at a time but in an EXACT order would be required. I imagine a sturdy body for such a such lock being made of non-magnetic stainless steel, which is not particularly unusual stuff.
If I was the company that made this lock I’d be printing “probably wouldn’t get in - LockPickingLawyer” on the packaging from today onwards. High praise indeed.
I would kind of like to see that, actually. Mostly because it doesn't actually sound like praise if the reader doesn't know the frame of reference by which to judge this.
I can jury rig something that will be unpickable 😂 the trick is making it quick and simple to use regularly. This kind of fails here in my opinion. imagine, this being above a grate or high up. Drop one piece? what lock. .
I always wondered what Macgyver did after the TV show finished, now I know. LPL's next video: "I have been sent this lock from the good people at Stuff Made Here and have prepared myself with some earwax and a stick I found in the garden..." Also LPL: "You can purchase these items on my website, although we are currently sold out"
I mean I doubt your average thief carries around 2 pairs of pliers but yeah a pair of pliers is the appropriate 'lockpick' for a bolt. you don't have a ''key' wrench for.
@@BackToBackWWChamps I think I could do it with one pair of pliers, might damage the bolt or take more than 40 seconds though. also the option of drilling the bolt exists.
Can we just all appreciate for a second how LPL doesn’t hide things behind any cuts, even if watching it for a few seconds while he fumbled around with things is slightly tedious, he shows exactly what is going on at every second, something a lot of tutorials could learn from, A+ Also can’t think of a single use for this lock but it’s pretty neat so that counts!
That's the difference between an amateur pretending on youtube, and a master guiding students. You only need one take if it's ingrained in your bones how to do your craft.
A bunch of these placed around a vault door as an added security measure preventing door from opening quickly and authorities to arrive. An expensive doorstop.
@@bskcj1149 I don't know your music tastes, but I was imagining some sort of melodic yet heavy metalcore song similar to something by Parkway Drive, or a really technical progressive instrumental by a band like Dream Theater. Not to stroke my own ego too much, but I also think it's a dope song title. I could also see it being a song for a "Ghosts" album by Nine Inch Nails. I'm curious to hear what you had in mind, if anything particular.
They botched the design. The head of the bolt should've been slightly smaller than the inside diameter of the hole to prevent that type of attack, but that wouldn't stop a person from using a strong pair of retaining ring pliers to turn the bolt head, as long as it wasn't too tight.
I was thinking of a flat head design like a wood screw where the top of the screw would be flush. This way pliers wouldn't work. But, as mentioned, one could always use epoxy
A stainless free spinning collar around the bolt head like on a locknut for a car wheel would stop the pliers from being able to grip the head of the bolt, also a tighter tolerance around the bolt would help also.
Just so you know: they do make left hand threaded bolt extractors. You'd likely have to buy it as a specialist tool, but it's not uncommon to find in machine shop.
@@GreyBlackWolf You probably already have a left-handed fastener in your garage or basement. The left pedal of any bicycle in the world is a left-hand thread.
So the security of the lock relies on it being rare and obscure. In other words, if it ever becomes popular it will be its undoing. "Suffering from success" by DJ Khaled
I will reply in two ways. Logic: 1. Technically it’s not a lock. Homonym 2. Umm... yes he did. He picked two different players to use. Then he picked the easiest ways
My uncle ws proud of a certain lock he had for his window. Basically it's the kind with a handle you need to pull all thew ay in and tilt it up to be able to open the window fully so you could get in.. A piece of sewing string and 15 seconds later, I, as a child would have it open.
with the added obfuscation of the magnetic plunger and the reverse threading Security through obscurity...rarely works forever. Still, not sure why the company wanted to send him this to point it out (and make it less obscure)
Could be made more difficult to pick by increasing the size of the bolt head so that there was nothing to grip with pliers, it would be would still be easy to pick with long nosed pliers, or circlip pliers, any thing to fit two of the holes. Crap design really.
@RealSweetKid Well, yes, obviously, and especially because the concept of "another" can be bent in many ways. (And all the patent trolling is based on that. :-)
It could be called "pick-proof" because there is literally nothing to pick! It's more like a puzzle lock than a security lock. However, to turn the internal bolt, I would have gone with a set of straight tip pin-pliers and just inserted the tips into any two convenient holes in the top of the bolt. However, and speaking only for myself, I would probably be there for at least a week before I figured out it was a left-hand thread!!!
I would think one of those any size bolt things might work, the ones with the little pins that wrap around the bolt head (they might slip into the pin holes).
I once spent an hour trying to change a tire on the driver's side of a Chrysler on an interstate bridge. Not even sure why, but it dawned on me that the "7" punched on the end of the lug stud was really an "L" and it was a left-handed thread. Took me 5 minutes to change the tire, laughing all the way. I now routinely test for that if a bolt doesn't want to turn.
Though I have come to expect LPL to get into anything, I must admit STARTING with a magnet and then transitioning into a lefthand bolt is quite devilish. It being bulletproof is also amazing. This lock has impressed me.
The issue is while this took him longer it would take EVERYONE the same amount of time as it didn't even require skill. I find that especially problematic.
@@onesimpletrick3448 He said that the only reason he was able to open it was because he studied it before hand. Anyone who comes across this lock,and hasn't seen this video, wouldn't have a clue what to do with it.
Only if they have all their customers sign a non disclosure form...and don't send it to the one guy able to showcase their mistake to a broad audience. Someone in marketing is getting fired.
A classic example of Security Through Obscurity: The top plug isn't secured; you just need a magnet to pull it out. It's not a lock, just a bolt with an intimidating-looking face. Turn it the *other* way. ("Righty-tighty" is not your friend with this one.)
@@whodahellru8124 You could, but the video actually shows there's enough room around the head that you can grab the outside of it - and remember to turn it clockwise.
In my years of wrenching, If I couldnt break a bolt loose counter-clockwise force of habit would make me try and spin it clockwise incase it was reverse thread. If I was told the lock was simply a bolt I could 100% get in and im no picker by any means
He threw it a few compliments. As something a criminal might face, it's loads better than cheap padlock you can wave rake open in 2 seconds or simply cut in a minute.
@@ryancappo you could counter that too if you lube up the bolt so that the glue can't stick to it. You could also put fine layers of fabric or something onto the surface, so that the glue will only grab the layer and not the bolt itself
Don't forget though that in the real world there is an very very high chance this will be mounted at 90 degrees which would make epoxy at least very messy to use without sticking to the sides of the cavity
The best line of defense appears to be the magnet needed to access the rest of it...If you don't know that part, trying to figure this out could be a challenge.
@@ericmyrs You can defeat anything with those tools. But for a normal thief, if he was to encounter something like that and he didnt know how it works, he would probably avoid it 10/10
thats literally the whole locking mechanism. first, you need to know where the keyhole is hidden, 2nd you need a non common pick item; a magnet. 3rd its screwed in backwards in a tight deep hole. The locks entirely based on the fact that you know nothing about it. otherwise pliers and magnets are easily attainable items and any joe schmo with no experience could open this.
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"In my attempt to avoid the work, I came up with a less elegant solution." Words of wisdom.
Laziness has probably bred more ingenuity than genius.
Larry Wall approves this mechanical programming channel and its ode to laziness.
working smarter, not harder
Necessity is the mother of invention; Laziness, the father.
My coding feels attacked.
They received an "I probably wouldn't get in". AKA the highest praise giveable by such a gifted tradesman. Wow. I'm still in shock at this compliment from him.
Only because it's security through obscurity. You could really, very easily make locks that would be just as likely to be picked as this, that are still quite simple concepts
and it's pretty interesting seeing something where the security is entirely built around obfuscation
As potatosordfighter666 pointed out (I have to even ask what that handle means), "it's security through obscurity". Which is actually what I consider the best first line of defense, having worked securing data systems. So it was deserved praise for true originality.
That shouldn't be the extent of your security, however. That only stops people on the first pass, the goal of it being to discourage 99% of would-be intruders to go seek an easier target. The 1% that sees it as a "challenge", however, are going to be back with a vengeance, so the rest of your defenses better be ready for it.
It's really inconvenient to put in place of normal door locks and there wasn't much of picking involved as it was more about unscrewing an unusual bolt.
@@NorthernKitty And if you're up against a APT, this lock (only) means you're SOL.
"And I'll just grab these pliers with another set of pliers"
Quality assurance team: This was a power we'd never seen before...
Now this is an avenger level threat
Wait till you see the video where he is using plairs to hold pairs holding plairs.
You had three chances.
Pliers² is a power they were never meant to resist
while I do not work in locks, our QA, would all be written up and than told it needs fixed and to come up with a design in a week to have our maintenance department order new tooling to do such, without test running it, so the poor QA team gets tons of write ups and suspensions because of it.
This is the most quintessential "Security by Obscurity" lock I have ever seen.
They just threw that away by putting their lock on the #1 lockpicking channel
I'm still waiting for one that opens with " Open Sesame..."
@@donaldbrorson4583 i dunno video is 3 years old and this dude uploads a bunch of locks, no theif is gonna carry every type of lockpick, just a basic set which can open 99% of locks.
@@sonicmeerkat agreed but typically they scope out a place then return prepared. This is why most criminals tend to be caught. They tend to show up the week or so before scoping out in less clad.
@@unadultratedtrini honestly i'd call that a success, every lock can be bypassed with a physical attack anyway, the real goal of a lock is to get the intruder caught by narrowing down who it could be or by the vandalism actually forcing the cops to get involved.
In their defense, they don't say "un-plier-able."
👍 🤣
True!🤔👵
@Peter Evans funny enough I was just at harbor freight, at this one it wouldn't even cost 4 bucks lol
At least it's a 2-ply lock.
True Dat 😂
I love the phrase "It would take an act of extraordinary violence to break" something about it just makes me smile
*Crashes plane into the company building*
*safely lands with a parachute*
"DID I BREAK ONE OPEN!?!?"
LMAO
ya, no sneaky spies in and out that way, eh? Skip the lock picking, use a window.
like John Cleese with a small tree branch?
That means a grinder and a lot of noise and mess, or dynamite a whole lot more noise and mess.
I can just imagine a merchant trying to sell this in a roleplaying game like D&D.
"Oh nothing is _completely_ invulnerable no... but I can assure you it would take an act of _extraordinary_ violence."
Yeah, they weren’t lying, when they said: unpickable lock. Because this is just a fancy screw
Exactly what I was about to say.
Yeah, there's zero safety feature about the bolt itself besides turning counterclockwise and having a lot of bulk around it.
I suspect it's not a coincidence that every other product they offer appears to be aimed at machinists; rather than lock-related.
"Unpickable" is completely accurate..."lock" not so much
@@fuzzyfuzzyfungus Yeah, it's more like an "ultimate idiot-proof anti-tamper safety lock" than an unpickable lock for theft prevention in a sense... Although obivously it would prevent most theft except for trained professionals.
Dude that sandpaper trick is really smart. As a mechanic I’ve never thought about that. I’m definitely stealing that trick next time I’m picking something up covered in oil with needle nose
I ground the teeth on some needlenoses flat and use skateboard griptape to line them. Works perfect.
@@RealTobyMaguireoh shit, the skate board grip tape back idc glued right?? Lmao fucking genius dude
yeah same thing for me i am a plumbers
I have mechanical fingers for that purpose
At this point, we can just send LPL a solid block of aluminum and expect him to somehow pick it in under a minute.
Little click out of one
Add in some key pins to the bolt manipulated by the bits that drop down and it'll be real hard to pick
Holy shit 😂
😂
@@tophu8 nothing on 2
"This is the Lock Picking Lawyer, and today we're at Fort Knox, an utterly impenetrable vault... Unless you have a q-tip and a lemon wedge."
And two sets of pliers. Never forget both pliers.
A click out of one...
Two is binding
Nothing on three...
Four just dropped into a false set
From the Ted Tooling website: "Using never before seen technology, it is purely mechanical only and is the only patented lock to use the new innovation of a bolt with a key... No other key in the world uses the unique technology to open the lock, meaning that it is IMPOSSIBLE to open the bolt without this key... There’s nothing else like it."
LPL: "Grab onto the grabby thing with another grabby thing, and turn.
They should have stuck with "unpickable". At least that's technically true, given that you can't use picks to open it.
$400 seems like a lot for a reverse bolt in a cup.
Yeah, it really does
This makes me kind of sad for them. I think they really believed that it was impossible to open. Much less, extremely easy to open with a low skill method.
This might be okay for home use. But anything important should be secured with something better. Which is exactly the opposite of what the website says.
Very sad.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable they had the hubris to call it unpickable. That's where they went wrong. At $400 and with the inconvenient key and opening method, this is terrible for home use.
Gotta respect the balls it takes for a company to send their locks to LPL. I imagine most lock company's PR departments sweating buckets when the see their name in the title/thumbnail.
I mean, the lock keeps up pretty good. No random burglar runs around with two pliers extra to their gear.
So unless specifically targeted, your tool shack is pretty safe :D
Its advertising as well no ones sweating bullets trust me, sales from most these locks that look pretty sturdy an intimidating to a theif would have an increase in purchases being on this channel.
@@robertnett9793 A lock like this will protect something quite valuable, which will not be targeted by "random" burglars but someone that prepared a little. If they find out that you can open this lock with a magnet and two pliers, I'm sure they'll be very happy.
Locking your tool shack could even make a burglar be interested in it and he might simply screw out the hinges to see what's inside.
@@zagreus5773 Ah. Dammit. So back to the hollywood-laser-alarm system it is.
This way I get at least athletic flexible and hopefully good looking burglars in ninja outfit / catsuits...
@@robertnett9793 For your tool shack? 😂 Now I want to know what is in there 😂😂
It is unpickable, he didn't open it using any picks. Someone call master lock!!!!!
yeah was about to say "can't be picked if there is no lock to pick" so technically it wasan't wrong just misleading.
I too was waiting for him to comment that it is "Unpickable" due to the lack of pick use.
its unpickable but not unscrewable :P
I mean to be fair most master locks he doesn't pick either. But then that's usually because its faster to abuse some flaw of the lock design lol
Next LPL is going to get an "unpickable lock" which is just empty space.
"It would take an act of extraordinary violence to break."
So put it on Mrs. LPL's ice cream and let her do her thing.
😂😂👌🏻👌🏻 hes gonna need a bottom casing.
Doesn’t stand a chance.
If Mrs. LPL were to break into a house with this lock on, she'd bring an excavator and break the walls
messing with the Mrs. ice cream is a dangerous and unnessecessary thing to try!!!
We would all pay good money to watch Mrs. LPL fight any lock to get to her ice cream. Although, he would need to make sure to secure the entire ice cream packaging this time.
What lock picking lawyer had taught me is nothing is un-pickable, just unknown. As soon as the unknown becomes known, it's pickable. The average person will walk up to this and not even know it's a lock. If you know how it works it's easier to pick than a standard lock.
If you watch a conference he animated (somewhere on youtube, it was recommended to me a few weeks ago), you'll see he actually strongly condemns the "security by obscurity" mindset that a lot of security companies have.
@@unter9982 My comment in no way says that security by obscurity is good. In fact, if anything, it would imply the opposite. The observation is that your security is only as good as it is against someone who's aware of what they're up against. Something being secure against an untrained individual is okay and even adequate in certain scenarios, but it means nothing at the end of the day if someone who knows what they're attacking can just walk right in, because there's an easy exploit to be had, even if the average person wouldn't have even tried to enter in the first place. Therefore, securing something in a manner that leaves you more vulnerable to skilled individuals by just appearing impenetrable to a layman is not a particularly good idea.
Knowledge is power
@@nickwilliams2415 I completely agree, encountering this lock in the field and not knowing how it works and not having specific tools makes this a very secure lock
@@unter9982 Yet passwords or safe combinations or keys are exactly that when you boil it down to its essence, security by obscurity.
There's many different 'authentication factors', but in the end they boil down to really only a few things, ranked in order of how often they're used are:
- Knowledge factors (keys, pins, passwords, patterns, codes programmed into RFID/NFC chips, etc)
- Posession factors (the actual entry password is auto-generated and sent by request to a phone or other identification device the authorized person holds in possession)
- Location factors (niche, but can be very effective)
- Time factors (niche, but can be very effective)
The reason a key is a Knowledge factor and not a Posession factor in my opinion is because you can fabricate keys so long as you know the cuts... there's a reason LPL doesn't show the keys on camera for locks in active use.
Whether fingerprints or retinal scans should be considered Knowledge or Posession factors is up for debate.. although given how easily they're recreated/spoofed I'd personally be inclined to call them Knowledge factors as well.
So yeah, most of all applied factors are, in actuality, a form of security by obscurity.. unfortunate as that may be.
To make it impossible to use pliers, simply modify the design (c'bore vs c'sink) so the bolt head come flush with the top. Also Cade Ridley came with a great idea (fake key hole)
Fake key hole would be great
i was thinking the exact same thing. pretty simple modification for the company too i would think
Don't use a fake keyhole as it allows for adding tension to the bolt. The off center holes do not.
This is very important.
@@TheSphongleface just put it on a fake bolt
I don’t think the intended special nut wrench mechanism (using ball bearing stabilization) is working anymore as soon as you make the bold head countersink
I always imagine the development team of these locks watching these videos, feeling crushed to the bone that their masterpiece had been ruined within 60 seconds
Lol riiiite
Either a curse or a gift as they can find the flaws and improve on the next batch, like how , in WW2, the British stole German notes about captured Churchill tanks and used it to improve the design and so forth
It's not like they don't know it's unpickable they just know people are stupid enough to believe it and buy it
LPL provides a damn valuable service to the companies developing new lock designs. You basically get thousands of hours of expertise to show you how to re-engineer your products weak points and all it costs you is a mildly embarrassing video tear down of your prototype.
its easy to be fixed, the mechanism that take the key has to be inverted inside the locks body, so there is no point where u can grab that. the key would need a hull though, for carrying around, cause the pins would be elevated
It would be funny if something like this had an external keyhole that did literally nothing just to keep someone occupied
Replace that steel plug with a useless keyway..we would never know it needed to be pulled out with a magnet…except for LPL
Dummy keyholes are definitely a thing
Someone should send him a fake lock
Good thought . The longer it takes to pick a lock the higher chance of getting caught .
@@DMS20231 i have a theory. Yoy might could overcome that by replacing the pins with tiny ball bearings. That way they wouldn't lock into the key slots, but to a lock picking thief they would feel like regular pins. Maybe it would work 🤷♂️🤷♂️
"This is the GlockFlickingLawyer, and this lock claims to be bulletproof."
Bruhh 😂😂😂
dude... you're onto something..
Why not though
It will have a rating on what caliber of bullets/guns It will resist. It probably is resistant to handguns like most bullet proof products.
@@RFDN0 .308 out of 1... Yeah that's it, bye for now.
Another good advantage with this lock is that it can easily be sealed in a way that makes it practically impossible to destroy the seal without opening the lock, showing bad intent.
That by using 2 sticker-based seals on the bolt carrier, where the bolt pin would exit. Since the bolt carrier has 2 shallow holes corresponding to pins in lock body, that prevents lock body from rotating relative to the bolt carrier, the seals cannot be destroyed by someone by mistake, you actually have to open the lock to destroy the seals, showing you had a intent to access the area.
"Unpickable!"
*isn't actually a lock, but a shrouded security bolt*
Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
It is still a lock. So not technically correct.
@@Bronzescorpion Put you still can't pick it. You can unlock it without the key, but not "pick" it with a lockpick or other lockpicking tools.
Yeah, it isn't a lock
@@justanotherviewer4821
"a mechanism for keeping a door, window, lid, or container fastened, typically operated by a key."
Yes it is.
@@The1stDragonRider "Lock picking is the practice of unlocking a lock by manipulating the components of the lock device without the original key."
Edit: adding to that, if you are using a Bobby pin you are still picking a lock, so no lockpicks are needed for lockpicking.
I do like that lock manufacturer's are sending you pieces. It shows their integrity to produce a quality product.
Yes. Hopefully this eventually leads to some genuinely secure locks.
@@joshduthie3401 Anyone that wants ''truly secure' locks are fooling themselves. If a lock is good enough to bar someone from entry so long as they don't have a substantial period of time alone with the lock is secure enough. No defense mechanism is going to defeat someone with as much time as tools as they want to breakthrough. If it delays people enough that gives security a chance to find the person. If bypassing is too bothersome thieves won't even try and find a softer target. Shit locks that are easily brute-forced with basic tools do little but it still works on thieves of opportunity who see the lock and leave. After that are the decent locks that require effort (and possible loud violence) to bypass which will deter most thieves unless you are a specified target or very juicy because why bother picking that lock when their are softer targets nearby.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 I dont know what you mean. This is the First Lock on the Channel that really impressed me. Just the Magnet alone is enough to make it that Most people cant get in. The locking mechanism is breakable, but only If you are prepared and know what you will find. If you buy this Lock, you could garantee that noone would bei able to break it. He even said himself, that he needs to be really prepared. You will never find a perfekt Lock, because If there is a Key there is a way to break it.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 To be fair, this is a "lock" without an actual key, just a special magnet to turn a large screw with a flat head it seems. Nothing about it seems "locked", more assembled.
You know Kyle at the lock company lost the bet that the Lawyer would not get it open. His 6 months or work designing the magnetic cover plate, wasted. Poor kyle!
Locked behind the gates of hell...
Devil: No one has ever escaped and neither will you...
LPL: 1 and 2 are set, 3's binding
His hell would be unpickable locks.
@@jorgyr36 no. It'd be just master locks
LPL ist the devil
"As you can see, there are a lot of interesting shaped rocks around here. I just need to look around for a moment to find a suitably shaped one and... We'll just put this in right here. There we go. Due to the heat this lock could prove a challenge to some. In any case, that's all I have for you today."
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 it would be a hallway with a door every 5 foot locked with a masterlock that just goes round in a circle with an imp a few doors back closing them back up
I think I've finally figured out LPL's endgame. He's teaching criminals how to pick locks so that, when they inevitably get arrested, he can represent them in court! A pretty sound business strategy if you ask me.
Criminals don’t actually pick locks that much - it takes too long, and very few criminals would bother to put in that much effort. There’s a reason why most break-ins involve the criminal smashing a window or breaking open a door. And also why most locks are designed to be cut/drill-resistant.
Plus he does (did?) corporate litigation; not B&E.
"Probably wouldn't get in." I think the biggest lock compliment he's ever given.
I was going to say exactly this. High praise indeed.
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The only amount of security this lock has is the fact that the average person would have no clue wtf they're even looking at. This doesn't even resemble a lock its just a metal ball
but everyone knows now🤣
If it covers a door shackle, it must be a lock.
That seems to be the design philosophy for the lock in general. Weird shape, awkward stopper over the key way, threaded backwards, etc.
Tbh that on it’s own might be a decent deterrent for most petty thieves. Don’t want to be sat around just solving a puzzle in a risky situation, right?
@@sideways5153 Well the thought of what might be hidden behind a lock of this caliber might just be the motivation the theif needs.
I'm thinking there's a reason it looks so much like a doorknob.
This is why I just weld the door shut whenever I leave my house or car.
U to lpl: pary this u filthy casual
And somehow LPL is still gonna pick that
@@archdetective As a guy who retired after 27 years of construction welding, I can say with extreme confidence that a grinder will get past those welds. I can't tell you how many welds I've had to grind out because of bad fabrication. In the end, I always get the parts free from the welds.
@@82ndAbnVet but it would be very suspicious and loud when you suddenly start to grind at this guy's doot
@@Kody_Lumine the owner is going to have to grind it every time he opens the dorr anyway, so all those sounds would just become common occurences.
This is certainly one of the most elegant locks I’ve ever seen. Thank you very much
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Prime example of security by obscurity
Not really security by obscurity. Locks that have a core requiring a special tool would fit that bill. This is just a one time lock. After seeing the lock that one time and doing an hours research its worse than a Masterlock.
Well, it's one of my biggest issues with the lock mechanism. Once you remove the cap using magnet, you can see the combination directly.
After making a photo, one could make his own key.
Is that a pony profile picture
That's pretty cringe bro
@@FioEl54 This is exactly what the term "security by obscurity" means. You don't look at how secure a lock is against an unprepared attacker who doesn't know how it works, it has to be secure against a prepared attacker who knows how it works. Security by obscurity means: I think it is secure because you have not seen this yet. This is exactly what this lock does: Almost impossible to crack if unprepared, but really easy if you know what it is.
@@derp4coffee agreed
One thing I like about it is the stealth: I wouldn't even expect that the center-piece must be pulled out with a magnet. I'd be simply confused. If they simply put a regular lock inside it'd be better.
Regular locks need regular tools, and regular tools are what you usually bring. Like he said, if you're not prepared for this outlandish lock, then you would just be forced to sigh and leave unless you happened to bring an entire toolbox.
@@brookefoxie9610 on the other hand any idiot who has seen how it works once, can easily get in without much skill, after spending 5$ at a hardware store.
I’m no expert, but if the key way was recessed into that tube, I’d imagine it’d be significantly more difficult to pick
@@sweetbabytrae Perhaps with one of those "double key" type setups like the bike lock he once picked? I don't see any way you'd be able to tension them both and pick both in a recess like that, like you said even a regular lock would be significantly more difficult to pick.
@@brookefoxie9610 i would argue the tools required to pick this lock are far more "regular" for any non locksmith than most traditional locks. His regular or basic tools are not the same as everyone else's. regular.
Ted tooling: “this lock is unpickable”
The average smart arse: “this isn’t a lock, this is just a bolt that has dimples in it, it can’t be picked by design as there is nothing to pick!”
LPL: “sandpaper seems set, the first pliers are binding...”
Twist on one, two is binding, just need to apply some more force-- and we're in
@@kingjester123 love it
Seems to be a false set on the last one, so let's just lose the sand paper and give it another twist.
Very clever Alex.
Nice. With the dimples I do wonder if a "universal socket wrench" might also "bite" and undo it.
You are the most wholesome person teaching this kind of stuff.
"If I didn't know better, this would be difficult"
-LockPickingLawyer
But... he DOES know better, and so do we all now, haha. It's not difficult at all. A simple universal socket would defeat it. Or a screw tap bit (for stripped screws). Or a drill to make a hole in the middle and a screwdriver to hammer into it, biting the sides. Or a strong pair of tweezers/2 chopsticks/a needlenose pushed into those dimples...
@@ArtemisKitty To be fair, your average person who would try to take this despite the lock, probably wouldn't figure out how to open this.
Edit: the commenter below knows more than me lol
@@ArtemisKitty Don't forget that the bolt threaded in reverse, which would be a problem for screw taps and extractors, and the head is rounded, which wouldn't offer any purchase to those dinky pinned universal sockets.
@@gustandberg7553 Then just switch the tap bit for a screw.
@@ArtemisKitty it's easy if you're prepared. if you're not, you'll just look at it with wonder and before you figure it out, the owner has already returned.
simplicity does not always easily translate to practicality.
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“It’s almost certainly tougher than whatever you are locking”
What you don’t know is that I use this lock to guard my large collection of these locks
Make an entire container purely out of a bunch of these locks locked to each other so that whatever you're locking is exactly as strong as the lock itself
How does this lock have any real world use? I’m pretty unclear as to how it would be attached to anything in the real world.
@@AlcoholicBoredom i imagine the manufacturers/sellers might specify it's use, but i imagine it's probably more for larger storage containers? Ultimately, it needs something the pin can slide into, so either 2 latches that can't be pulled apart, or a singular latch with a hole for the lock to block it from opening (like a side gate you'd find on a house). But considering how thick the pin looks, it seems..very specialized. Kinda reminds me of those puck locks which ive seen used on a lot of vans that have 2 doors on the back
"Today at the range, we're going to be using this extraordinary violence Bosnian Bill and I made to open this lock"
I'd love to see this thing up against a 50 cal.
We want the violence!
I also demand the violence (please)
Time for a collaboration with Demolition Ranch
@@nutbastard i mean if it's full steel body, it's pretty much impenetrable for any handheld gun. With how much metal there are, i'd say anything less than 30mm AP will have significant issues going through, if it will at all, even say 20mm
You would certainly need to know a lot about this device in order to pick it. A fascinating product that showcases how lockpicking and bypassing security works by understanding how that security itself functions.
I’d lock to see LPL make a tier list video one day.
Verified but no comments…
Lock? Really dude?
@@hochigaming14yearsago90 lol
@@randomness4259 there are 4 of them
@Raphael's Epic Stuff Clearly there's 7
When stealing the lock is profitable...
LOL
Ahaha indeed
😂
Trying to sell a 400$ lock without the key seems hard though
Lol forget the stuff ima sell the lock
I think they'd have a solid lock if they had made the bolt sunk into the casing so you can't grip it and require the key to be pushed into it to actually get leverage to twist it.
Impressioning could still work however that'd somewhat rely on how tight it is, you'd probably just shear the epoxy if it were properly tightened.
Hiding the bolt head in a counterbore would foil the method shown, but it could still be easily opened by methods such as placing rods in two of the holes and using pliers to grip them and remove the bolt. However, all these methods involve figuring out that a left hand thread is used.
They could have also made it so the plunger doesnt have space around the bolt for the pliers.
You'd have to go epoxy or stick a wielding stick in there and then grab the stick and twist with a wrench once its fused
I would probably not guess that its left hand threaded and waste my time breaking off sticks trying to turn it counterclockewise
This channel is such a good analogy about how cybersecurity works.
I suspect this lock is best used in locations where extreme violence is the primary threat a lock faces, Pretty hard to build a complex lock that can withstand explosives.
just need a less elegant lock and a complex lock hidden underneath
@@eVill420 That would work very well. Use a very durable but otherwise simple secondary lock to obscure, secure, and protect the primary lock.
The secondary lock would need to be monitored or otherwise tracked for tampering as someone could pick the secondary lock and relock it after encountering the primary lock, Allowing them to comeback at a later date with the right equipment to defeat the primary lock as well.
We need this now then 😂😂😂
Apparently, You'd need no less than a .50 cal to even get put a hole in this thing. I just came to this video from a demo ranch video that tested how bullet proof it is.
Explosives! At that point they will do whatever it take to get what ever it is.
I don't know why, but I love hearing him say that it would take "an act of extraordinary violence" to break something. That phrasing is just very nice
Until you hear a lawyer use it in court
An Act of Extraordinary Violence is now the name of my heavy metal band.
It's the matter of fact tone.
@@XDSDDLord or a consulting surgeon. "Extraordinary" anything isn't good from a an expert witness.
"I probably wouldn't get in"
- Words LPL has never before spoken unto mere mortals
"If I wasn't specifically prepared for it"
Yeah, and Batman totally doesn't always carry a utility belt or prepares for basically every scenario.
Have you ever seen Batman and LPL in the same room? I think not.
Mortals Is high praise
I don't walk around with strong magnets penetration testing door handles. (I didn't, but now I do)
@@danieldeelite Considering how often LPL defeats lock mechanisms with magnets, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept one of those on him. The sandpaper and bolt removal implements, on the other hand...probably less likely.
@@ShjadeNexayre magnets can be real pain as you need to keep them away from other sensitive tools, don't want to magnetize them by accident, and those cheapo hotel magnetic strip cards too (although you have to keep those away from mobile phones too).
Inelegant solution for an elegant enigma. Well done. Enjoyed.
Lack of engineering in this lock, could have at least countersunk the hole containing the bolt head. This would have made the LPL’s video at least a minute longer.
My immediate thought as well, there had to have been enough room in there right?
Yes, I was expecting bolt to be sunk and LPL sticking circlip pliers into these holes.
That was my first thought, too. However, the bolt has a grooved head that is designed to snap onto the key's outer sleeve, indexing the wrench in place. The key/wrench would have to be redesigned a bit.
@@NoeticSystem can't they just use the shaft above the bolt to index onto the bolt? It's not like it isn't a perfect shape for it all.
Hell, just shrink the hole down some more so there is even less space between the shaft and the bolt.
@@NoeticSystem They could just put the groove in the housing so the wrench is indexed correctly but still turns.
"I probably wouldn't get in" - LPL
This better be their marketing headline from now on!
no shit.. of course if you havent heard of LPL then its pointless.. but for those of us who have.. we know
meanwhile us watching at home like...
We're assuming someone who's kit doesn't include pliers. I know MY kit includes pliers. Oh, and a magnet.
@@andrewtinker7537 if it is in a place where security will check your tools then it’s tough work to get the tools you need to pick this one in with you. And unless you know about the lock even with a plier you prob never thing about how you can open it to begin with.
@@clorkmagnus plus the reverse threads would probably make most people think that they're just not using enough torque.
I woulddn't call that a lock, looks more like a puzzle to me.
but what is a usual lock, but a very sophisticated puzzle?!?
@@sacrophagi Hard to disagree on that, dude.
I would just call it a proprietary screw that requires a proprietary screwdriver
That's what makes it a great lock, it's not a lock!
puzzles are only solved with the hands and brain.
I don't recall any puzzle on Mr. Puzzle or other puzzle channel that involved anything further than those tools and whatever comes in the package.
Honestly due to the lack of complexity of the "key" this seemed more pickable than many things ive seen before. Plier to plier is also tools i snd many others have lying around
And just like that Ted's Tooling went back to the drawing board
Or out of business.
it would cause much more headache if those dimples on the bolt and key had to be depressed properly or something. Still probably not impossible but a much bigger headache.
Sad thing is, they won’t. They’ll likely just continue marketing at the ridiculous price
All he has to do is make the bolt head flush
@@Drakir72 Then their key won't have good enough purchase on the bolt either.... This is just security through obscurity which just got absolutely shattered with the massive exposure of the inner workings of the lock.
Technically can't be picked if it's not really a lock...
Masterlock: 'Write that down! Write that down!'
They officially renamed to Masternotlock
@@alt842 Masterlockn't
It needs a key to be opened 'legally'.
Maybe picking should be redefined as opening without the key - that bolt was definitely keyed.
When your key is just a fancy screwdriver, your "lock" is indeed "unpickable"
Sounds like the ignition key for my car...
@@bmw328igearhead...hol up
You mean your door screw?
@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102 yes.... the ignition of one of my vehicles can be started with multiple different cuts of key. A wiggle of anything wavey in that cylinder with a turn and VROOM.
I must say, its nice to be able to remove the keys while its running ;) gotta love the OLD GM lock cylinders.
Well technicaly, if you can not use a pick to open it, it's unpickable. They never said it could not be open with pliers :P lol.
This lock is really a great idea that works. Most people would never think of doing what you did Sir. All stainless steel ???
What I'm getting from this channel is that most locks are really just supposed to be used as an effective deterrent, rather than as an end-all solution
That's all security.
You only have to make it secure _relative_ to the value of the protected goods
My father in law always says "Locks only keep honest people honest. If someone wants to get in, they will find a way."
A good lock will keep a thief who wants anybody's valuables from taking your valuables. No lock will keep a thief who wants your valuables from taking your valuables.
You honestly only need to make the lock hard enough to open to not be worth the effort. If it would be easier to break the door, the window, cut into the safe wall, ect, then your lock is good enough.
Lpl just makes it look easy because he is a master at this stuff. Most criminal lock pickers wouldn't have this much skill since they would normally only be breaking into cheap locks that are less risk.
"Let's break the lock"
**looks at lock**
_"Let's break the wall"_
**realizes he is in the US**
**punches a hole in the wall**
Episode of Sarah Connor Chronicles
"If you can't destroy it as a bullet then use it as the bullet"
That is how the firefighter do.
*Looks at lock*
"Let's just cut the chain"
Purchased a lock pick last winter, spent 30 minutes trying to open a garage door with it. Must be a good lock! Got locked out and was late for work... Picked the lock in under 5 minutes in a rush! Driving to work, I realized that a pro would open my lock in 15 seconds...
Two main rules of ethical lockpicking are do not pick locks you do not own and do not pick locks on which you rely.
So, don't pick your garage door, lockpicking is by nature more aggressive on locks than using they key is, so it'll wear locks out faster. This can result in a shitty lock or a really good one that doesn't even accept the key that came with it.
@@TocoaPuffs I don't think he asked you.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 and no one asked you either 😂
@@MrDasfried And no one asked you.
I can do this all day.
@@cdogthehedgehog6923 If you need The win do what ever rocks your boat. I am just out now but dont let that stop you my dear 😘
This came up after watching a cybertruck footage. It looks perfectly fits into that truck.
This is another case of "it's not a lock, but it's so obnoxious that it'll still deter most people." Reminds me of the crazy Indian "lock" that was just a mechanical puzzle.
This is literally the same technology as patterned wheel nuts. Definitely not worth $400.
@@ccibinel yup, just with a insanely thick steel shroud.
Um it’s technically a lock as it uses a key to unlock it even if it’s not the typically type of key found on a lock.
@@Charlesb88 well is it really? is a security torx also a key? That the socket is unusual doesn't make it a key...
@@RenaxTM91 @Renax the Man the key here is this was designed as a key unlike a security Torx screwdriver as a security Torx screw isn't a lock in anyone's mind but a fasteners that's simply harder to unscrew. We can debate exactly what qualifies as a lick and key but I still think this is technically a lock though a weird one as it has a shackle that, secures it to a hasp.
"I'm just gonna do this with a regular old magnet" pulls out fckin neodymium lightsaber
Even though LPL hasn't mentioned it, I'd bet he has the Death-Sentence in at least 12 systems. {o.o}
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT huh?
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT the empire has a bounty for him he is too dangerous to be kept alive
Yeah, like everybody has one of them in their back pocket lol.
You can buy them for a few dollars. Amazon shows 2 cylinder neodymium magnets for 12 dollars. Sounds pretty mundane to me.
Blupoint makes a reversed bolt extractor set. Just a little trade knowledge from a mechanic to a locksmithing lawyer... ✌😎
This. Came to mind as soon as LPL said it!
Reverse bolt extractor? Been looking for these to put the fucking mashed thing back in that i had to use the regular extractor to get out 😆
Never needed one but makes sense, reverse threads are still used in plenty of applications.
Boat engines always have a reverse threaded bolt somewhere. You can spot it by the mashed head and tiny almost invisible notches.
But they seem to be of the drill bit kind not the spiral kind shown here. They'd be a bit more destructive
I gotta remember that sandpaper trick. Being able to grip that with needle nose has set my mind thinking of all those DAMN BOLTS! EERERRRRRAAAHHH!!!
Advertising department: You can't pick a lock if there's no lock to pick. Unpickable!
LPL: So anyways I got two wrenches and some sand paper.
Hey, let's not forget that he also used a magnet! What's the changes your average burglar also has that? :D
@@MikkoRantalainen more likely since it can defeat electronic, and those 5 digit push buttons. Also if you waive a strong magnet across auto garage door openers (similar to the ones that tripp traffic signals) they all open.
@@MikkoRantalainen the "average" burglar doesn't carry any tools except maybe a hammer and a long screwdriver for punching/breaking things. The vast majority of B&Es are done using "objects of opportunity" to violate a weak point in security, such as a window or soft door.
To have any value, this lock would need to be mounted to something equally durable, or else you could probably just break it off. Most hasps would break long before this lock would.
It's still a valid semantic argument. There is no lock therefore nothing to pick. Can it be opened without the custom wrench? Yeah, but they didn't say it was un-openable :) It's absolutely a semantic argument of course.
@@MikkoRantalainen They give away magnets on business cards and stuff all the time, easier then sandpaper to find in a pinch.
Company: "This lock is unpickable"
Me: "No shit, Sherlock. It's a screw."
😂😂😂😂
It worked differently in their minds 🤣
I don't think it is actually ,technically...even a lock?
Company: "Well actually, it's a bolt"
Does it lock something? Then it's a lock!
A design flaw is leaving the bolt sticking out. If the top of that bolt was snug against the bottom it would have significantly increased its picking difficulty.
Maybe, but then you would use a Lens Wrench to twist the LH bolt head.
Or just drill thru it.
There are universal tools for bolts with dimple heads. Basically the tool is pushed into two of the holes and turned.
This lock needs a real keyed mechanism under the weatherproofing plug. Perhaps make it accept a KiK cylinder deep down the hole and attach the traditional key to the unusual handle. Then offer buyers a choice between a cheap Chinese core and a top of the line brand name core like a Protec 2.
If the top of the bolt was snug again the bottom, its own key wouldn't be able to work to unscrew it!
@@AK-rx6hv Not if the key didn't have the part that goes outside the bolt.
Gotta give kudos to the inventor who came up with this idea. Easy to manufacture, and pretty resistant enough. (Almost all the locks in reality are resistant enough, the amount of people with picking skills and mindset for theft isn't enormous I'd think...)
If the bolt had way tighter fitment in it's hole, it would be really hard.
This lock is amazing. They got the coveted “if I wasn’t prepared I probably wouldn’t get in” from LPL! That’s like the highest honor you can receive from this man 😂
No the highest is "This is a lock I would use"
the reverse thread is what would throw everyone off initially.
I am also wondering if that left hand bolt could be torqued down better than what he did in video
@@JoelAntoinette I wonder if you could design a combination thread. Something that turned right but then had to turn left at some point. I imagine it would not be a conventional looking thread but more like a puzzle. It would be a pain to open but I'm pretty sure you'd fool everyone who ever tries opening the lock. And have the plunger lock in place somehow so it isn't immediately obvious that a magnet can remove it. Maybe with a push-turn spring compression on one-way mechanisms. Push to move the plunger down, twist to get it in place, pull up on a reverse one-way mechanism to depress the compression unit then lift it out.
Finally, the depressions in the nut could be altered. One displayed at first, as you spin the tool a second, third, fourth or whatever would appear and after all depressions are established you actually get hold of the nut. This would be done simply with plates of metal attached to the nut.
Also... I know nothing about locks, engineering or design... I'm talking out of my ass here so most of what I said is probably not possible.
@@leqesai well as soon as it appears on LPL everyone will know what to do anyway.
@@leqesai it won't be hard to redesign that. They can counter sink the bolt to where it's impossible to get pliers on it. Just enough gap for the "key" wall to fit
Not anymore.
In computer science, this is called security by obscurity. And it's a terrible long term solution. It just take one really smart person and a bit of curiosity and the whole cardboard house collapses.
The best possible security solutions hide conventional security solutions behind layers of obscurity, thus easily repelling less determined attackers, but then even if someone is smart/creative they then just run into the kind of security designed to keep them out anyway. Like hiding a really solid door behind camouflage. Only someone who already has a general idea of what they're looking for, or someone smart and creative, will get past the obscurity, only to still find a very challenging layer of security to breach anyway.
Honestly a few small tweaks to this lock would make it far more effective.
For example have the bolt recessed back so that you can't touch its edges with pliers.
Have the bolt be a locking bolt, that only releases if a pin/pins are depressed correctly by the tool to unlock it.
Have the cap lock into place too, an extra lock before you even get to the lock if you will.
the upside is though that conventional tools of burglars like lockpicks and boltcutters are completely useless against this thing. you would have to prepare specifically for this lock,which i believe is unreasonable to expect from burglars.
also,remember how many locks got fancy in their designs and whatnot,but lpl opens them with lockpicks either way.
@@MrVentches preparing for this is really simple tho. A stick and a tube of supeglue/epoxy.
A drill would also be equally effective, that's a very thin bolt and it holds the entire thing together.
@@cgi2002 true. im just saying that you at least have to prepare somewhat.
still not worth the 400$pricetag
Was at a substation at a shared site with a water company. They left site and locked the gate leaving our lock out of the looping. First thought was to use the Milwaukee universal key, but we rattle gunned the gate brackets off one side. Drove out and installed them backwards.
I believe I saw this locking system on Demolition Ranch and they gave it hell.
I expected that the "key" does something like adjusting pins... but no it is just friction.... disappointing...
That's way too simple for a 400 dollar lock.
That was my thought, too - I figured the dimples in the head were going to interact with pins in a locking mechanism with the larger machined part and magnet-pulled cover used for environmental protection and tamper prevention... but no.
@@EddieOffermann When he just turned it I was so disappointed. "But LPL!" I thought "Surely you are not trying to turn a screw - this is a lock!"
Same here. I was hoping that the pins merely line up the key properly and that there would be some interaction between magnets within the key and magnets within the lock body that would release the body from the lock pin assembly. I had all this sophisticated theory going on and all it turns out to be is a left-hand threaded bolt with a lame dimple grip.
The company could probably implement at least a single cylinder that is activated with a magnet...it's a good idea. Hope they read
"Regular old magnet" - actually forged from Mount Doom and capable of dragging a car.
Possible.
Lmao
Legit
Won't expect less from the God of Locks.
You know your magnets I'm impressed.I was impressed with the magnet too.
LPL: Takes more than 43 seconds to open the lock
Lock Company: Give the guy who made this a raise!
I once received a puzzle cube as a gift. About the size of a Rubic's, but totally different. There were two halves that had to be pulled apart. Inside there were free-moving sliding pins. No matter what position you held it, some pins would be engaged across the two halves and keep it from opening. The trick? Hold it so the two halves were top and bottom, and spin it horizontally on its center. Centrifugal forces moved all the pins to disengage.
Which, combined with this lock, got me thinking. These days REALLY strong magnets are easily available. Imagine a lock where there were pins keeping things from opening, but which, when a STRONG magnet was positioned JUST SO would pull the pin into a new position against the force the spring provides. It would be simple to repeat that so it takes multiple magnets. Someone more clever could make it so applying a single magnet to multiple pins, one at a time but in an EXACT order would be required.
I imagine a sturdy body for such a such lock being made of non-magnetic stainless steel, which is not particularly unusual stuff.
This doesn’t feel like a lock, rather than some sort of coded bolt. LPL smashes it so well!
This is what I was thinking. There's not any technical locking mechanism actually in place. It's literally just a bolt.
He’s literally picking every lock that looks like the “stuff made here” lock. He’s teasing us!! 😂
It's agonizing!
What are we like 5 months in on the SME lock?
I wonder how much is tease and how much is him studying non-traditional picking methods
Lol it might have him beat?
@@StadiumLandings He mentioned quite recently (maybe 2 weeks ago?) that it hasn't come in the mail yet
If I was the company that made this lock I’d be printing “probably wouldn’t get in - LockPickingLawyer” on the packaging from today onwards.
High praise indeed.
I would kind of like to see that, actually. Mostly because it doesn't actually sound like praise if the reader doesn't know the frame of reference by which to judge this.
I use it as advertising
You are awesome man. Love the intelligence of your videos. Thank you.
I love how the solution to make an "unpickable" lock is to not make it a lock in the first place.
I can jury rig something that will be unpickable 😂 the trick is making it quick and simple to use regularly. This kind of fails here in my opinion. imagine, this being above a grate or high up. Drop one piece? what lock.
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It's a lock if it lock something and can be unlocked with a key
@@kanekyrocryptic7853 But if that tool there is "a key", then every screw is a lock and every screwdriver is a key.
LPL: “if I wasn’t prepared I probably wouldn’t get in”
Also LPL: More prepared than batman.
You can break into the Fortress of Solitude with a $5 wrench and a roll of duct tape. Lots of people don't know that.
Plot twist: LPL IS Batman. 🧐
@@soundmindtv2911 You're getting him confused with LPB - Lock Picking Billionaire
I always wondered what Macgyver did after the TV show finished, now I know.
LPL's next video: "I have been sent this lock from the good people at Stuff Made Here and have prepared myself with some earwax and a stick I found in the garden..."
Also LPL: "You can purchase these items on my website, although we are currently sold out"
@@Wertsir you’re definitely on a watch list bud
LPL:“I probably would’nt get in”
The company: STONKS
I mean I doubt your average thief carries around 2 pairs of pliers but yeah a pair of pliers is the appropriate 'lockpick' for a bolt. you don't have a ''key' wrench for.
@@bloodred255 I don't pick locks but I always have at least two pairs of pliers. Your average office worker or unemployed person might not though.
yeah man 400 dollar per lock is omegastonks
@@BackToBackWWChamps I think I could do it with one pair of pliers, might damage the bolt or take more than 40 seconds though.
also the option of drilling the bolt exists.
@人へんたい K
Can we just all appreciate for a second how LPL doesn’t hide things behind any cuts, even if watching it for a few seconds while he fumbled around with things is slightly tedious, he shows exactly what is going on at every second, something a lot of tutorials could learn from, A+
Also can’t think of a single use for this lock but it’s pretty neat so that counts!
At $400 I would rather have basically any other lock. It's just a bolt lol
@@onesimpletrick3448 OTOH, if they produced one with an Abus core inside the bolt, I think it could be worth every penny...
That's the difference between an amateur pretending on youtube, and a master guiding students. You only need one take if it's ingrained in your bones how to do your craft.
A bunch of these placed around a vault door as an added security measure preventing door from opening quickly and authorities to arrive. An expensive doorstop.
“an Act of Extraordinary Violence” is my next band name.
Debut album title: "Pliers and sandpaper"
@@chrisrnz first released single: "A less elegant solution"
i like mine, Charles Manson Dance Academy
@@shreknskrubgaming7248 that actual sounds like a really good song
@@bskcj1149 I don't know your music tastes, but I was imagining some sort of melodic yet heavy metalcore song similar to something by Parkway Drive, or a really technical progressive instrumental by a band like Dream Theater. Not to stroke my own ego too much, but I also think it's a dope song title. I could also see it being a song for a "Ghosts" album by Nine Inch Nails. I'm curious to hear what you had in mind, if anything particular.
They botched the design. The head of the bolt should've been slightly smaller than the inside diameter of the hole to prevent that type of attack, but that wouldn't stop a person from using a strong pair of retaining ring pliers to turn the bolt head, as long as it wasn't too tight.
doesn't help against impressioning with 5 minute epoxy
@@666Tomato666 most likely epoxy would just shear off the bumps, unless the bolt was unrealistically loose. A pin wrench would probably do it.
I was thinking of a flat head design like a wood screw where the top of the screw would be flush. This way pliers wouldn't work. But, as mentioned, one could always use epoxy
if that bolt was recessed into the housing, no entry
righty-tighty lefty-loosey would hamper the unknowing try, even with epoxy!
A stainless free spinning collar around the bolt head like on a locknut for a car wheel would stop the pliers from being able to grip the head of the bolt, also a tighter tolerance around the bolt would help also.
Just so you know: they do make left hand threaded bolt extractors. You'd likely have to buy it as a specialist tool, but it's not uncommon to find in machine shop.
glad im not the only one whos seen them.
Yea, i would imagine they have a variety of tools for left threaded bolts as theres many machines that use them. Chainsaws for example use them.
@@GreyBlackWolf You probably already have a left-handed fastener in your garage or basement. The left pedal of any bicycle in the world is a left-hand thread.
All gas fittings use reverse threaded fittings. There loads of tools readily avalible to do it and not that specialist either.
@@sumguyonabike8776 nope. Only propane regulator fittings.
Natural gas fittings are all right hand threads.
So the security of the lock relies on it being rare and obscure. In other words, if it ever becomes popular it will be its undoing.
"Suffering from success" by DJ Khaled
Yo me
We have a term for this in software: security by obscurity.
@@neonglowmusic Yeah, it's a very fallacious approach - assuming that nobody will reverse engineer their software and find out how it works.
😂
Security by obscurity.. bad idea.
Me: what specialized tool will LPL use today?
LPL: Pliers
TED TOOLING: wont work
LPL: 2 Pliers
4 Pliers
6 Pliers
And my axe
@@alexandertsas6265
And my magnum
Love the channel and love watching but also can't help but to see this channel as a dictionary for anyone preparing to break into a specific lock.
TED Tooling: "We made an unpiclable lock."
LPL: "I used the pliers to turn the pliers."
TED Tooling: "Dear God."
Technically, he didn't pick it.
I will reply in two ways.
Logic:
1. Technically it’s not a lock.
Homonym
2. Umm... yes he did. He picked two different players to use. Then he picked the easiest ways
Duh pliers break stoopid lock hehe
My uncle ws proud of a certain lock he had for his window. Basically it's the kind with a handle you need to pull all thew ay in and tilt it up to be able to open the window fully so you could get in.. A piece of sewing string and 15 seconds later, I, as a child would have it open.
TED Tooling: "It's un-pickable"
LPL: "So I brought pliers."
Ted Tooling: "We anticipated this."
LPL: "And a second pair to turn them."
Ted Tooling: *"Dear god."*
So it's not really a lock, just a bolt that needs an improvised wrench
with the added obfuscation of the magnetic plunger and the reverse threading
Security through obscurity...rarely works forever. Still, not sure why the company wanted to send him this to point it out (and make it less obscure)
Could be made more difficult to pick by increasing the size of the bolt head so that there was nothing to grip with pliers, it would be would still be easy to pick with long nosed pliers, or circlip pliers, any thing to fit two of the holes. Crap design really.
So, its a lock? Your house works the same way; your dead bolt is just opened by an improvised wrench known as a key.
@@JustAnotherPoorSlob Security through obscurity is actually the opposite of security.
@RealSweetKid Well, yes, obviously, and especially because the concept of "another" can be bent in many ways. (And all the patent trolling is based on that. :-)
It could be called "pick-proof" because there is literally nothing to pick! It's more like a puzzle lock than a security lock. However, to turn the internal bolt, I would have gone with a set of straight tip pin-pliers and just inserted the tips into any two convenient holes in the top of the bolt. However, and speaking only for myself, I would probably be there for at least a week before I figured out it was a left-hand thread!!!
I would think one of those any size bolt things might work, the ones with the little pins that wrap around the bolt head (they might slip into the pin holes).
The only problem with the universal tools is the head length the are fairly short so might not even reach.
@@brettloo7588 the universal sockets are huge and I suspect the "keyway" isn't big enough
Just insert the tip into the two most convenient holes. TWSS.
I once spent an hour trying to change a tire on the driver's side of a Chrysler on an interstate bridge. Not even sure why, but it dawned on me that the "7" punched on the end of the lug stud was really an "L" and it was a left-handed thread. Took me 5 minutes to change the tire, laughing all the way.
I now routinely test for that if a bolt doesn't want to turn.
Though I have come to expect LPL to get into anything, I must admit STARTING with a magnet and then transitioning into a lefthand bolt is quite devilish.
It being bulletproof is also amazing.
This lock has impressed me.
The locks are getting a bit more serious, it wasn't a 5 second pick this time, but you got it
The issue is while this took him longer it would take EVERYONE the same amount of time as it didn't even require skill. I find that especially problematic.
Cordless drill :- let us introduce ourselves
Who would even know to use a magnet in the first place?
@@Dozav7 criminals
@@onesimpletrick3448 He said that the only reason he was able to open it was because he studied it before hand. Anyone who comes across this lock,and hasn't seen this video, wouldn't have a clue what to do with it.
I could cry. $400 monster opened with a set of pliers.
Well, this thing _is_ unpickable, as there is nothing to pick.
"I probably wouldn't get in"
Oh damn, the lock maker of this thing should be ecstatic right now!
Only if they have all their customers sign a non disclosure form...and don't send it to the one guy able to showcase their mistake to a broad audience.
Someone in marketing is getting fired.
Security through obscurity is terrible security when used by itself.
Gonna put that quote in their ads
@@marckoolwijk2913 except for this case the maker is the sender.
As long as that lock isn't on his ex girlfriends backdoor, he gets in there without much trouble everytime.
I bet these lock companies hate you. But it's really interesting watching you work
A classic example of Security Through Obscurity:
The top plug isn't secured; you just need a magnet to pull it out.
It's not a lock, just a bolt with an intimidating-looking face.
Turn it the *other* way. ("Righty-tighty" is not your friend with this one.)
I guess you actually use a regular drill bit to _drill_ this bolt out since it’s left-hand threaded.
@@whodahellru8124 You could, but the video actually shows there's enough room around the head that you can grab the outside of it - and remember to turn it clockwise.
The best security is anonimity!
In my years of wrenching, If I couldnt break a bolt loose counter-clockwise force of habit would make me try and spin it clockwise incase it was reverse thread. If I was told the lock was simply a bolt I could 100% get in and im no picker by any means
@@samzollinger4926 That sounds like a great strategy
Can you imagine how many years it took to get that lock into production and as the inventor of that lock your world has just been shattered I love LPL
LOL
I don't think it took that long to design it, and it's obviously made using CNC
Patents are expensive and time consuming and it just got destroyed by 2 hardware store pliers and some scraps of sandpaper.
Seems to me had they recessed the bolt so there was no overhang to grip with the needle nose plyers this wouldn't have been nearly as easy.
He threw it a few compliments. As something a criminal might face, it's loads better than cheap padlock you can wave rake open in 2 seconds or simply cut in a minute.
They should have countersunk the bolt head with a raised lip with a small gap for the key to fit into so nothing can grab on to it
Yeah, that seemed like a bad design mistake. But he did say that he could have used a bit of metal epoxy to bind to the part as well.
@@ryancappo you could counter that too if you lube up the bolt so that the glue can't stick to it. You could also put fine layers of fabric or something onto the surface, so that the glue will only grab the layer and not the bolt itself
Common' it's left threaded. That'll do the job.
@@999racing i wash it off with some brake cleaner and cotton.
Don't forget though that in the real world there is an very very high chance this will be mounted at 90 degrees which would make epoxy at least very messy to use without sticking to the sides of the cavity
The best line of defense appears to be the magnet needed to access the rest of it...If you don't know that part, trying to figure this out could be a challenge.
So the security mechanism is that the thread runs in the opposite direction? As a programmer I would call that a “security through obscurity” flaw.
Yeah, pretty sure you can defeat this with just a hammer, a screwdriver, and some patience.
@@ericmyrs You can defeat anything with those tools. But for a normal thief, if he was to encounter something like that and he didnt know how it works, he would probably avoid it 10/10
thats literally the whole locking mechanism.
first, you need to know where the keyhole is hidden, 2nd you need a non common pick item; a magnet. 3rd its screwed in backwards in a tight deep hole. The locks entirely based on the fact that you know nothing about it. otherwise pliers and magnets are easily attainable items and any joe schmo with no experience could open this.
@@zeedstun891 *The locks entirely based on the fact that you know nothing about it*
Yup just as James said....“security through obscurity”
dunno but for us in europe its pretty normal to turn the lock to the right to unlock.