Gotta respect the balls it takes for a company to send their locks to LPL. I imagine most lock company's PR departments sweating buckets when the see their name in the title/thumbnail.
I mean, the lock keeps up pretty good. No random burglar runs around with two pliers extra to their gear. So unless specifically targeted, your tool shack is pretty safe :D
Its advertising as well no ones sweating bullets trust me, sales from most these locks that look pretty sturdy an intimidating to a theif would have an increase in purchases being on this channel.
@@robertnett9793 A lock like this will protect something quite valuable, which will not be targeted by "random" burglars but someone that prepared a little. If they find out that you can open this lock with a magnet and two pliers, I'm sure they'll be very happy. Locking your tool shack could even make a burglar be interested in it and he might simply screw out the hinges to see what's inside.
@@zagreus5773 Ah. Dammit. So back to the hollywood-laser-alarm system it is. This way I get at least athletic flexible and hopefully good looking burglars in ninja outfit / catsuits...
To make it impossible to use pliers, simply modify the design (c'bore vs c'sink) so the bolt head come flush with the top. Also Cade Ridley came with a great idea (fake key hole)
I don’t think the intended special nut wrench mechanism (using ball bearing stabilization) is working anymore as soon as you make the bold head countersink
I feel like the biggest drawback of the look is actually on the user side. With how complicated it is, it takes a good amount of time to open, even with the right keys (especially when you don't want all the lock parts flying around when it is opened), and because of this, the lock seems pretty impractical for doors that are used more frequently
@@luckylikey9280 Puck locks are pretty standard and this would work in all those applications. I agree that padlocks are not suitable for the front door of your house.
It's for locking shipping containers, vans and warehouses. Basically places that you need to lock up for some amount of time, then open when needed, will stay open while needed and then get locked up again when you are done. This is not a lock for constant use.
We would all pay good money to watch Mrs. LPL fight any lock to get to her ice cream. Although, he would need to make sure to secure the entire ice cream packaging this time.
I am unfamiliar with this and most locking systems, but it seems the easiest and most elegant solution is to either narrow the opening to limit what type of pliers could reach inside, or to counter-sink the bolt so that you can’t get a standard set of needlenose pliers inside and around the bolt. If the “key holes” in the wrench/key and bolt were also oddly shaped, this would make the job that much more challenging.
while I do not work in locks, our QA, would all be written up and than told it needs fixed and to come up with a design in a week to have our maintenance department order new tooling to do such, without test running it, so the poor QA team gets tons of write ups and suspensions because of it.
I think I've finally figured out LPL's endgame. He's teaching criminals how to pick locks so that, when they inevitably get arrested, he can represent them in court! A pretty sound business strategy if you ask me.
Criminals don’t actually pick locks that much - it takes too long, and very few criminals would bother to put in that much effort. There’s a reason why most break-ins involve the criminal smashing a window or breaking open a door. And also why most locks are designed to be cut/drill-resistant.
"As you can see, there are a lot of interesting shaped rocks around here. I just need to look around for a moment to find a suitably shaped one and... We'll just put this in right here. There we go. Due to the heat this lock could prove a challenge to some. In any case, that's all I have for you today."
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 it would be a hallway with a door every 5 foot locked with a masterlock that just goes round in a circle with an imp a few doors back closing them back up
@@fuzzyfuzzyfungus Yeah, it's more like an "ultimate idiot-proof anti-tamper safety lock" than an unpickable lock for theft prevention in a sense... Although obivously it would prevent most theft except for trained professionals.
@@archdetective As a guy who retired after 27 years of construction welding, I can say with extreme confidence that a grinder will get past those welds. I can't tell you how many welds I've had to grind out because of bad fabrication. In the end, I always get the parts free from the welds.
Seems like a fantastic lock for people living in vans/converted trailers. If you travel frequently enough it's super unlikely you'd stick around long enough for anyone to bother tooling up unless you have something that's clearly valuable enough to Garner unwanted attention, in which case you just need to be discreet about what's locked up.
I feel like it would be a total pain in the ass to open all the time, like even with the key, this lock seems to take half a minute to open, compared with maybe 5 seconds a normal lock takes, so it might be best used for doors you don't regularly use, like for a garden hut maybe
I agree. As long as you have at least a $35 hardware store padlock that would deter most children, you'd likely satisfy an insurance company that your stolen goods were indeed behind a locked door.
Another good advantage with this lock is that it can easily be sealed in a way that makes it practically impossible to destroy the seal without opening the lock, showing bad intent. That by using 2 sticker-based seals on the bolt carrier, where the bolt pin would exit. Since the bolt carrier has 2 shallow holes corresponding to pins in lock body, that prevents lock body from rotating relative to the bolt carrier, the seals cannot be destroyed by someone by mistake, you actually have to open the lock to destroy the seals, showing you had a intent to access the area.
From the Ted Tooling website: "Using never before seen technology, it is purely mechanical only and is the only patented lock to use the new innovation of a bolt with a key... No other key in the world uses the unique technology to open the lock, meaning that it is IMPOSSIBLE to open the bolt without this key... There’s nothing else like it." LPL: "Grab onto the grabby thing with another grabby thing, and turn.
This makes me kind of sad for them. I think they really believed that it was impossible to open. Much less, extremely easy to open with a low skill method. This might be okay for home use. But anything important should be secured with something better. Which is exactly the opposite of what the website says. Very sad.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable they had the hubris to call it unpickable. That's where they went wrong. At $400 and with the inconvenient key and opening method, this is terrible for home use.
Ted tooling: “this lock is unpickable” The average smart arse: “this isn’t a lock, this is just a bolt that has dimples in it, it can’t be picked by design as there is nothing to pick!” LPL: “sandpaper seems set, the first pliers are binding...”
To extract locking lug nuts on cars where the specially matched sockets are missing I find a 12 point socket that is just a hair smaller than the outside diameter and then use a hammer to pound it over the outside. The 12 point socket will cut teeth into the outside edge of the lug nut and grip it plenty tight so a ratchet can be used in the socket to loosen it. The hardest part is getting the lug nut out of the socket. I think this method would work on this lock too but it is pretty ingenious to give the bolt left hand threads. That alone could foil a potential intruder.
I suspect that your method would have to confront the lock moving around while you hammer the socket into place. It may turn into a 2 person job. 1 to keep the lock stationary and 1 to hammer away.
Not really security by obscurity. Locks that have a core requiring a special tool would fit that bill. This is just a one time lock. After seeing the lock that one time and doing an hours research its worse than a Masterlock.
Well, it's one of my biggest issues with the lock mechanism. Once you remove the cap using magnet, you can see the combination directly. After making a photo, one could make his own key.
@@FioEl54 This is exactly what the term "security by obscurity" means. You don't look at how secure a lock is against an unprepared attacker who doesn't know how it works, it has to be secure against a prepared attacker who knows how it works. Security by obscurity means: I think it is secure because you have not seen this yet. This is exactly what this lock does: Almost impossible to crack if unprepared, but really easy if you know what it is.
You would certainly need to know a lot about this device in order to pick it. A fascinating product that showcases how lockpicking and bypassing security works by understanding how that security itself functions.
add a roller bearing cage around the bolt. you would still be able to grab onto the bolt like he did, but your rotational force wouldnt be transmitted to the threads. since its the unique dimple pattern that allows the key to drive the bolt i feel like this simple modification would significantly raise the security level of this lock
Then you just mash a lump of JBweld or whatever 2 part paste epoxy into the recesses and stick an allen key in the back wait a couple of mins and turn it free. At best this works because it needs a weird shaped socket and as long as the unlocking mechanism is just a standard thread there are plenty of ways to apply toque to it hell drill into the middle and jam a tapper in and use that as a wrench. It'll stop most people and all but eliminate causal one off attacks because its unlikely people will have the tools on hand but if they know you use this particular lock it's not an insurmountable barrier because at the end of the day its a weird shaped bolt.
I did roadside assistance for a few years, a really common call out we'd get was for drivers with a punctured tyre and didn't have/couldn't find their locking wheelnut key so we'd have to improvise to get the wheel off. Almost all the methods, regardless of type, centred around taking a £1 shop socket that didn't quite fit over the nut/bolt, resting it roughly in place, then using a lump hammer to beat the socket like it's a red-haired stepchild until it does fit the nut. From that experience I can tell you those slip bearings they put round the nuts don't make it any harder to get them off - it might take a minute or two longer, but it's not any more difficult. If you have the right sized socket to hand - something in the 16mm-19mm range - you can sometimes bevel the edges with a file and smack it straight through the bearing race to grip the stud inside. Or you can take the 5mm flat-blade screwdrivers you picked up in the £1 shop while you were stocking up on sockets and smack the tip of one or more in to the bearing race - it'll either cause the outer ring to tear meaning you can just pull it out of the way, or at the very least it'll deform either the ring or race to the point that it can't rotate, then apply torque to the screwdrivers to crack the stud out. You could even take a syringe with a 15 gauge needle and inject some araldite in to the race to lock it in place - although you have to work _really_ fast and if you're not careful you could either bond the treads or bond the fastener to the wheel - at which point your only option is to drag it back to depot and chop or burn the wheel off.
@@The1stDragonRider "Lock picking is the practice of unlocking a lock by manipulating the components of the lock device without the original key." Edit: adding to that, if you are using a Bobby pin you are still picking a lock, so no lockpicks are needed for lockpicking.
They received an "I probably wouldn't get in". AKA the highest praise giveable by such a gifted tradesman. Wow. I'm still in shock at this compliment from him.
Only because it's security through obscurity. You could really, very easily make locks that would be just as likely to be picked as this, that are still quite simple concepts
As potatosordfighter666 pointed out (I have to even ask what that handle means), "it's security through obscurity". Which is actually what I consider the best first line of defense, having worked securing data systems. So it was deserved praise for true originality. That shouldn't be the extent of your security, however. That only stops people on the first pass, the goal of it being to discourage 99% of would-be intruders to go seek an easier target. The 1% that sees it as a "challenge", however, are going to be back with a vengeance, so the rest of your defenses better be ready for it.
It's really inconvenient to put in place of normal door locks and there wasn't much of picking involved as it was more about unscrewing an unusual bolt.
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@@NorthernKitty And if you're up against a APT, this lock (only) means you're SOL.
DIY camera repair folks often use lens spanners, they have two pointy ends and the distance can be adjusted. I think one of those tools would also fit the head, although the points are usually either sharp tapers or flatheads so some reshaping would be required. I don't know if I would call that a lock as much as a weird bolt but hey, that'll deter a fair few people through weirdness alone.
The only amount of security this lock has is the fact that the average person would have no clue wtf they're even looking at. This doesn't even resemble a lock its just a metal ball
That seems to be the design philosophy for the lock in general. Weird shape, awkward stopper over the key way, threaded backwards, etc. Tbh that on it’s own might be a decent deterrent for most petty thieves. Don’t want to be sat around just solving a puzzle in a risky situation, right?
@@DMS20231 i have a theory. Yoy might could overcome that by replacing the pins with tiny ball bearings. That way they wouldn't lock into the key slots, but to a lock picking thief they would feel like regular pins. Maybe it would work 🤷♂️🤷♂️
Was at a substation at a shared site with a water company. They left site and locked the gate leaving our lock out of the looping. First thought was to use the Milwaukee universal key, but we rattle gunned the gate brackets off one side. Drove out and installed them backwards. I believe I saw this locking system on Demolition Ranch and they gave it hell.
@@nutbastard i mean if it's full steel body, it's pretty much impenetrable for any handheld gun. With how much metal there are, i'd say anything less than 30mm AP will have significant issues going through, if it will at all, even say 20mm
I love the ingenuity of picking this. Of course as he said it probably wouldn’t be common to carry the things that you would need for picking it but still very ingenuous picking tactic.
I can just imagine a merchant trying to sell this in a roleplaying game like D&D. "Oh nothing is _completely_ invulnerable no... but I can assure you it would take an act of _extraordinary_ violence."
Honestly due to the lack of complexity of the "key" this seemed more pickable than many things ive seen before. Plier to plier is also tools i snd many others have lying around
I always imagine the development team of these locks watching these videos, feeling crushed to the bone that their masterpiece had been ruined within 60 seconds
Either a curse or a gift as they can find the flaws and improve on the next batch, like how , in WW2, the British stole German notes about captured Churchill tanks and used it to improve the design and so forth
LPL provides a damn valuable service to the companies developing new lock designs. You basically get thousands of hours of expertise to show you how to re-engineer your products weak points and all it costs you is a mildly embarrassing video tear down of your prototype.
its easy to be fixed, the mechanism that take the key has to be inverted inside the locks body, so there is no point where u can grab that. the key would need a hull though, for carrying around, cause the pins would be elevated
A lot of Harry Houdini’s job was doing what you do. Just studying every lock he could ever find from all over the world, knowing there is always away to get around it, then create a performance that hides the method.
A stainless free spinning collar around the bolt head like on a locknut for a car wheel would stop the pliers from being able to grip the head of the bolt, also a tighter tolerance around the bolt would help also.
@@MikkoRantalainen more likely since it can defeat electronic, and those 5 digit push buttons. Also if you waive a strong magnet across auto garage door openers (similar to the ones that tripp traffic signals) they all open.
@@MikkoRantalainen the "average" burglar doesn't carry any tools except maybe a hammer and a long screwdriver for punching/breaking things. The vast majority of B&Es are done using "objects of opportunity" to violate a weak point in security, such as a window or soft door. To have any value, this lock would need to be mounted to something equally durable, or else you could probably just break it off. Most hasps would break long before this lock would.
It's still a valid semantic argument. There is no lock therefore nothing to pick. Can it be opened without the custom wrench? Yeah, but they didn't say it was un-openable :) It's absolutely a semantic argument of course.
there is a quick improvement on that lock, back home we had it this way: 1) key shaft needs to be thinner than actual key tip, 1) instead of direct key insert it needs to have a side cut to slide through, hole on the side is matching size of key tip, and then it has just thin cut to allow rest of the shaft to fit, and top/center keyhole is same diameter as key shaft, that way, you cant get any generic of the shelf tool in there, unless custom made,
This is another case of "it's not a lock, but it's so obnoxious that it'll still deter most people." Reminds me of the crazy Indian "lock" that was just a mechanical puzzle.
It looks like such a good target to just tear whatever it’s holding shut open though. Nice and proud of anything you could mount it to. A 10 lb sledge probably wouldn’t do anything to the lock. But if it’s mounted to anything like a door…
But... he DOES know better, and so do we all now, haha. It's not difficult at all. A simple universal socket would defeat it. Or a screw tap bit (for stripped screws). Or a drill to make a hole in the middle and a screwdriver to hammer into it, biting the sides. Or a strong pair of tweezers/2 chopsticks/a needlenose pushed into those dimples...
@@ArtemisKitty To be fair, your average person who would try to take this despite the lock, probably wouldn't figure out how to open this. Edit: the commenter below knows more than me lol
@@ArtemisKitty Don't forget that the bolt threaded in reverse, which would be a problem for screw taps and extractors, and the head is rounded, which wouldn't offer any purchase to those dinky pinned universal sockets.
@@ArtemisKitty it's easy if you're prepared. if you're not, you'll just look at it with wonder and before you figure it out, the owner has already returned. simplicity does not always easily translate to practicality.
The biggest flaw of this lock is that the company sent it to the LPL. Now they have unveiled the mechanism, and at the very least they would have had an extra sale for the failed lock.
What lock picking lawyer had taught me is nothing is un-pickable, just unknown. As soon as the unknown becomes known, it's pickable. The average person will walk up to this and not even know it's a lock. If you know how it works it's easier to pick than a standard lock.
If you watch a conference he animated (somewhere on youtube, it was recommended to me a few weeks ago), you'll see he actually strongly condemns the "security by obscurity" mindset that a lot of security companies have.
@@unter9982 My comment in no way says that security by obscurity is good. In fact, if anything, it would imply the opposite. The observation is that your security is only as good as it is against someone who's aware of what they're up against. Something being secure against an untrained individual is okay and even adequate in certain scenarios, but it means nothing at the end of the day if someone who knows what they're attacking can just walk right in, because there's an easy exploit to be had, even if the average person wouldn't have even tried to enter in the first place. Therefore, securing something in a manner that leaves you more vulnerable to skilled individuals by just appearing impenetrable to a layman is not a particularly good idea.
@@nickwilliams2415 I completely agree, encountering this lock in the field and not knowing how it works and not having specific tools makes this a very secure lock
@@unter9982 Yet passwords or safe combinations or keys are exactly that when you boil it down to its essence, security by obscurity. There's many different 'authentication factors', but in the end they boil down to really only a few things, ranked in order of how often they're used are: - Knowledge factors (keys, pins, passwords, patterns, codes programmed into RFID/NFC chips, etc) - Posession factors (the actual entry password is auto-generated and sent by request to a phone or other identification device the authorized person holds in possession) - Location factors (niche, but can be very effective) - Time factors (niche, but can be very effective) The reason a key is a Knowledge factor and not a Posession factor in my opinion is because you can fabricate keys so long as you know the cuts... there's a reason LPL doesn't show the keys on camera for locks in active use. Whether fingerprints or retinal scans should be considered Knowledge or Posession factors is up for debate.. although given how easily they're recreated/spoofed I'd personally be inclined to call them Knowledge factors as well. So yeah, most of all applied factors are, in actuality, a form of security by obscurity.. unfortunate as that may be.
You could put a in lever that requires the key to let go of the bolt, like a side pin. Another thing is two bolts. One below that the key actually engages with prongs through the first. You could stack a few. If the key had a hard enough press it would slip into the next when aligned if they were offset. Or another tube that turns the second nut from the bottom so the top is flat and smooth.
Though I have come to expect LPL to get into anything, I must admit STARTING with a magnet and then transitioning into a lefthand bolt is quite devilish. It being bulletproof is also amazing. This lock has impressed me.
0:30 “It’s almost certainly tougher than whatever you are locking” What you don’t know is that I use this lock to guard my large collection of these locks
Make an entire container purely out of a bunch of these locks locked to each other so that whatever you're locking is exactly as strong as the lock itself
@@AlcoholicBoredom i imagine the manufacturers/sellers might specify it's use, but i imagine it's probably more for larger storage containers? Ultimately, it needs something the pin can slide into, so either 2 latches that can't be pulled apart, or a singular latch with a hole for the lock to block it from opening (like a side gate you'd find on a house). But considering how thick the pin looks, it seems..very specialized. Kinda reminds me of those puck locks which ive seen used on a lot of vans that have 2 doors on the back
"Unpickable" no mechanism to pick! I think just the magnetic plunger is the major security part. If you cant even see how it opens, you cant even get started. But since magnets are used for bypassing locks, guess its possible someone tries without even knowing the lock beforehand. Reversed bolt extractors are a thing, mostly just need to have your local shop order one from the distributor. But there are a lot of ways to go about that, from pliers to rods jammed into the holes, to possibly a screw extractor which you've a chance getting in reverse if you have a whole set.
puzzles are only solved with the hands and brain. I don't recall any puzzle on Mr. Puzzle or other puzzle channel that involved anything further than those tools and whatever comes in the package.
it would cause much more headache if those dimples on the bolt and key had to be depressed properly or something. Still probably not impossible but a much bigger headache.
@@Drakir72 Then their key won't have good enough purchase on the bolt either.... This is just security through obscurity which just got absolutely shattered with the massive exposure of the inner workings of the lock.
@@Real_MisterSir there are limits to "also bad news is good news"-style marketing. Who is going to buy a lock that can be opened without force (or effort at all) in seconds?
@@stephanweinberger if you care to lock up something with anything better than a cheap lock that can be easily removed with forethought by the owner then you gonna go for something you thing would be difficult. Not really much of an I between amongst most consumers.
@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102 yes.... the ignition of one of my vehicles can be started with multiple different cuts of key. A wiggle of anything wavey in that cylinder with a turn and VROOM. I must say, its nice to be able to remove the keys while its running ;) gotta love the OLD GM lock cylinders.
easy fix is too make sure they raise the inner surface around the bolt head so it sits flush, this way you cant put the pliers around it. or put a slip collar around the bolt. my locking wheel nuts on my spare wheel cage under my van has this feature. you cant grab the head as its shrouded with a sleeve connected too the cage itself. you either need the socket type key, or a grinder too cut the cage bars x2
00:49 I literally thought he was going to pull out the Cyberdyne T2 chip from the Terminator 2. That bolt should be flush and not have any raised edges.
@@andrewtinker7537 if it is in a place where security will check your tools then it’s tough work to get the tools you need to pick this one in with you. And unless you know about the lock even with a plier you prob never thing about how you can open it to begin with.
@@joshduthie3401 Anyone that wants ''truly secure' locks are fooling themselves. If a lock is good enough to bar someone from entry so long as they don't have a substantial period of time alone with the lock is secure enough. No defense mechanism is going to defeat someone with as much time as tools as they want to breakthrough. If it delays people enough that gives security a chance to find the person. If bypassing is too bothersome thieves won't even try and find a softer target. Shit locks that are easily brute-forced with basic tools do little but it still works on thieves of opportunity who see the lock and leave. After that are the decent locks that require effort (and possible loud violence) to bypass which will deter most thieves unless you are a specified target or very juicy because why bother picking that lock when their are softer targets nearby.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 I dont know what you mean. This is the First Lock on the Channel that really impressed me. Just the Magnet alone is enough to make it that Most people cant get in. The locking mechanism is breakable, but only If you are prepared and know what you will find. If you buy this Lock, you could garantee that noone would bei able to break it. He even said himself, that he needs to be really prepared. You will never find a perfekt Lock, because If there is a Key there is a way to break it.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 To be fair, this is a "lock" without an actual key, just a special magnet to turn a large screw with a flat head it seems. Nothing about it seems "locked", more assembled.
You know Kyle at the lock company lost the bet that the Lawyer would not get it open. His 6 months or work designing the magnetic cover plate, wasted. Poor kyle!
Seems quite an easy solution to making that lock better. Just make the bolt internally locating only so you can have a smaller "key" and less space around it to get pliers onto it
There are smooth taper locking wheel nut removal sockets that also utilise sand paper to grip the wheel bolt iff the adaptor has broken or is missing from the car .
"If I wasn't specifically prepared for it" Yeah, and Batman totally doesn't always carry a utility belt or prepares for basically every scenario. Have you ever seen Batman and LPL in the same room? I think not.
@@danieldeelite Considering how often LPL defeats lock mechanisms with magnets, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept one of those on him. The sandpaper and bolt removal implements, on the other hand...probably less likely.
@@ShjadeNexayre magnets can be real pain as you need to keep them away from other sensitive tools, don't want to magnetize them by accident, and those cheapo hotel magnetic strip cards too (although you have to keep those away from mobile phones too).
One thing I like about it is the stealth: I wouldn't even expect that the center-piece must be pulled out with a magnet. I'd be simply confused. If they simply put a regular lock inside it'd be better.
Regular locks need regular tools, and regular tools are what you usually bring. Like he said, if you're not prepared for this outlandish lock, then you would just be forced to sigh and leave unless you happened to bring an entire toolbox.
@@brookefoxie9610 on the other hand any idiot who has seen how it works once, can easily get in without much skill, after spending 5$ at a hardware store.
@@sweetbabytrae Perhaps with one of those "double key" type setups like the bike lock he once picked? I don't see any way you'd be able to tension them both and pick both in a recess like that, like you said even a regular lock would be significantly more difficult to pick.
@@brookefoxie9610 i would argue the tools required to pick this lock are far more "regular" for any non locksmith than most traditional locks. His regular or basic tools are not the same as everyone else's. regular.
My dad had a bolt like that on the door of his shop in the 90s. After a break in. Lets say no problems after that especially with how tight het kept the bolt.
Lack of engineering in this lock, could have at least countersunk the hole containing the bolt head. This would have made the LPL’s video at least a minute longer.
That was my first thought, too. However, the bolt has a grooved head that is designed to snap onto the key's outer sleeve, indexing the wrench in place. The key/wrench would have to be redesigned a bit.
@@NoeticSystem can't they just use the shaft above the bolt to index onto the bolt? It's not like it isn't a perfect shape for it all. Hell, just shrink the hole down some more so there is even less space between the shaft and the bolt.
What I'm getting from this channel is that most locks are really just supposed to be used as an effective deterrent, rather than as an end-all solution
A good lock will keep a thief who wants anybody's valuables from taking your valuables. No lock will keep a thief who wants your valuables from taking your valuables.
You honestly only need to make the lock hard enough to open to not be worth the effort. If it would be easier to break the door, the window, cut into the safe wall, ect, then your lock is good enough. Lpl just makes it look easy because he is a master at this stuff. Most criminal lock pickers wouldn't have this much skill since they would normally only be breaking into cheap locks that are less risk.
just started thinking about this. The key does not offer that much leverage, since the drive surfaces are small and shallow. That means, the torque on that bolt is neglegible. One could probably use something like a set of (Pointy) needle nose pliers to catch two of the indents in the bolthead, and carefully turn the bolt in a similar fashion to the shown technique. yes, you need to divert some of your force to keep the plier tips from slipping, and someone who does not know this lock well would probably try lefty loosey first, if they manage to understand that it is just a fancy bolt thats stopping them. Thinking about this more, it could be possible that something along the lines of a "Gator grip" universal socket could grab the profile on that bolt with some spring loaded pins and work like a universal key. These sockets can be pretty bulky, but in principle, you just need one with extra long pins to get down into that bore. In conclusion, like many others, this lock is good to keep out the unprepared.
Possibly a big pair of stilsons and a battery grinder. A quick grind of two flats and possibly be able to shear the locating pins on the housing. Stainless is much harder therefore brittle and will shear rather than bend .
I think they'd have a solid lock if they had made the bolt sunk into the casing so you can't grip it and require the key to be pushed into it to actually get leverage to twist it.
Hiding the bolt head in a counterbore would foil the method shown, but it could still be easily opened by methods such as placing rods in two of the holes and using pliers to grip them and remove the bolt. However, all these methods involve figuring out that a left hand thread is used.
Knowing how it works it the best info you can use to defeat it. Drilling and using the straight sided easy outs could work. I have even used concrete nails for easy outs.
Instead just have an areas for the key pins to just set in, they could do a ball and groove system. So the set pins actually do some instead of just giving it a grip. It would add a simple addition that would prevent you from just grabbing the locking mechanism and unscrewing it. The pins would push in allowing the bearing balls to drop in a slote in the pin, then you can turn it. With out that, the bearings lock it into place make it impossible to turn, unless you shear the ball bearings. In which shearing the bearings will lock it completely down and a new one would have to be bought, but it did it's job.
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"This is the Lock Picking Lawyer, and today we're at Fort Knox, an utterly impenetrable vault... Unless you have a q-tip and a lemon wedge."
And two sets of pliers. Never forget both pliers.
A click out of one...
Two is binding
Nothing on three...
Four just dropped into a false set
"In my attempt to avoid the work, I came up with a less elegant solution." Words of wisdom.
Laziness has probably bred more ingenuity than genius.
Larry Wall approves this mechanical programming channel and its ode to laziness.
working smarter, not harder
Necessity is the mother of invention; Laziness, the father.
My coding feels attacked.
Gotta respect the balls it takes for a company to send their locks to LPL. I imagine most lock company's PR departments sweating buckets when the see their name in the title/thumbnail.
I mean, the lock keeps up pretty good. No random burglar runs around with two pliers extra to their gear.
So unless specifically targeted, your tool shack is pretty safe :D
Its advertising as well no ones sweating bullets trust me, sales from most these locks that look pretty sturdy an intimidating to a theif would have an increase in purchases being on this channel.
@@robertnett9793 A lock like this will protect something quite valuable, which will not be targeted by "random" burglars but someone that prepared a little. If they find out that you can open this lock with a magnet and two pliers, I'm sure they'll be very happy.
Locking your tool shack could even make a burglar be interested in it and he might simply screw out the hinges to see what's inside.
@@zagreus5773 Ah. Dammit. So back to the hollywood-laser-alarm system it is.
This way I get at least athletic flexible and hopefully good looking burglars in ninja outfit / catsuits...
@@robertnett9793 For your tool shack? 😂 Now I want to know what is in there 😂😂
To make it impossible to use pliers, simply modify the design (c'bore vs c'sink) so the bolt head come flush with the top. Also Cade Ridley came with a great idea (fake key hole)
Fake key hole would be great
i was thinking the exact same thing. pretty simple modification for the company too i would think
Don't use a fake keyhole as it allows for adding tension to the bolt. The off center holes do not.
This is very important.
@@TheSphongleface just put it on a fake bolt
I don’t think the intended special nut wrench mechanism (using ball bearing stabilization) is working anymore as soon as you make the bold head countersink
"This is the GlockFlickingLawyer, and this lock claims to be bulletproof."
Bruhh 😂😂😂
dude... you're onto something..
Why not though
It will have a rating on what caliber of bullets/guns It will resist. It probably is resistant to handguns like most bullet proof products.
@@RFDN0 .308 out of 1... Yeah that's it, bye for now.
In their defense, they don't say "un-plier-able."
👍 🤣
True!🤔👵
@Peter Evans funny enough I was just at harbor freight, at this one it wouldn't even cost 4 bucks lol
At least it's a 2-ply lock.
True Dat 😂
I feel like the biggest drawback of the look is actually on the user side. With how complicated it is, it takes a good amount of time to open, even with the right keys (especially when you don't want all the lock parts flying around when it is opened), and because of this, the lock seems pretty impractical for doors that are used more frequently
The owner trying to open this on a dark cold rainy night with cold fingers. You'll get it open but then lose all your parts.
also, how would you close that from the inside if your house? this is clearly not made for standard applications i guess.
@@luckylikey9280 Puck locks are pretty standard and this would work in all those applications. I agree that padlocks are not suitable for the front door of your house.
It's for locking shipping containers, vans and warehouses. Basically places that you need to lock up for some amount of time, then open when needed, will stay open while needed and then get locked up again when you are done. This is not a lock for constant use.
Just looking at the magnetic plug I already lost it somewhere...
Fitting a regular lock inside this deep hole would make picking it way harder than unscrewing the bolt
Yes
true
Just adds more steps no?
Or just make the hole narrower so that pliers that are strong enough, cannot fit. Then the solution would be to drill through the bolt.
he'd have the tools to pick it regardless
"It would take an act of extraordinary violence to break."
So put it on Mrs. LPL's ice cream and let her do her thing.
😂😂👌🏻👌🏻 hes gonna need a bottom casing.
Doesn’t stand a chance.
If Mrs. LPL were to break into a house with this lock on, she'd bring an excavator and break the walls
messing with the Mrs. ice cream is a dangerous and unnessecessary thing to try!!!
We would all pay good money to watch Mrs. LPL fight any lock to get to her ice cream. Although, he would need to make sure to secure the entire ice cream packaging this time.
At this point, we can just send LPL a solid block of aluminum and expect him to somehow pick it in under a minute.
Little click out of one
Add in some key pins to the bolt manipulated by the bits that drop down and it'll be real hard to pick
Holy shit 😂
😂
@@tophu8 nothing on 2
This is the most quintessential "Security by Obscurity" lock I have ever seen.
I am unfamiliar with this and most locking systems, but it seems the easiest and most elegant solution is to either narrow the opening to limit what type of pliers could reach inside, or to counter-sink the bolt so that you can’t get a standard set of needlenose pliers inside and around the bolt. If the “key holes” in the wrench/key and bolt were also oddly shaped, this would make the job that much more challenging.
"And I'll just grab these pliers with another set of pliers"
Quality assurance team: This was a power we'd never seen before...
Now this is an avenger level threat
Wait till you see the video where he is using plairs to hold pairs holding plairs.
You had three chances.
Pliers² is a power they were never meant to resist
while I do not work in locks, our QA, would all be written up and than told it needs fixed and to come up with a design in a week to have our maintenance department order new tooling to do such, without test running it, so the poor QA team gets tons of write ups and suspensions because of it.
"It's unpickable"
"I'm going to use these pliers."
Oh, no.
To be fair, he *didn't use a pick*. So that claim wasn't falsified.
@@coredumperror Literally unpickable. cannot be picked is correct!
@@BalgaBear there is nothing to pick!
At least it wasn't a LEGO figure..
@@michaelsorensen7567
True, but I'm pretty sure you could just poke some snap-ring pliers in there and unscrew it.
I think I've finally figured out LPL's endgame. He's teaching criminals how to pick locks so that, when they inevitably get arrested, he can represent them in court! A pretty sound business strategy if you ask me.
Criminals don’t actually pick locks that much - it takes too long, and very few criminals would bother to put in that much effort. There’s a reason why most break-ins involve the criminal smashing a window or breaking open a door. And also why most locks are designed to be cut/drill-resistant.
Plus he does (did?) corporate litigation; not B&E.
It is unpickable, he didn't open it using any picks. Someone call master lock!!!!!
yeah was about to say "can't be picked if there is no lock to pick" so technically it wasan't wrong just misleading.
I too was waiting for him to comment that it is "Unpickable" due to the lack of pick use.
its unpickable but not unscrewable :P
I mean to be fair most master locks he doesn't pick either. But then that's usually because its faster to abuse some flaw of the lock design lol
Next LPL is going to get an "unpickable lock" which is just empty space.
Locked behind the gates of hell...
Devil: No one has ever escaped and neither will you...
LPL: 1 and 2 are set, 3's binding
His hell would be unpickable locks.
@@jorgyr36 no. It'd be just master locks
LPL ist the devil
"As you can see, there are a lot of interesting shaped rocks around here. I just need to look around for a moment to find a suitably shaped one and... We'll just put this in right here. There we go. Due to the heat this lock could prove a challenge to some. In any case, that's all I have for you today."
@@rhysofsneezingdragon1758 it would be a hallway with a door every 5 foot locked with a masterlock that just goes round in a circle with an imp a few doors back closing them back up
You are the most wholesome person teaching this kind of stuff.
This is certainly one of the most elegant locks I’ve ever seen. Thank you very much
. :-)
Yeah, they weren’t lying, when they said: unpickable lock. Because this is just a fancy screw
Exactly what I was about to say.
Yeah, there's zero safety feature about the bolt itself besides turning counterclockwise and having a lot of bulk around it.
I suspect it's not a coincidence that every other product they offer appears to be aimed at machinists; rather than lock-related.
"Unpickable" is completely accurate..."lock" not so much
@@fuzzyfuzzyfungus Yeah, it's more like an "ultimate idiot-proof anti-tamper safety lock" than an unpickable lock for theft prevention in a sense... Although obivously it would prevent most theft except for trained professionals.
This is why I just weld the door shut whenever I leave my house or car.
U to lpl: pary this u filthy casual
And somehow LPL is still gonna pick that
@@archdetective As a guy who retired after 27 years of construction welding, I can say with extreme confidence that a grinder will get past those welds. I can't tell you how many welds I've had to grind out because of bad fabrication. In the end, I always get the parts free from the welds.
@@82ndAbnVet but it would be very suspicious and loud when you suddenly start to grind at this guy's doot
@@Kody_Lumine the owner is going to have to grind it every time he opens the dorr anyway, so all those sounds would just become common occurences.
Seems like a fantastic lock for people living in vans/converted trailers. If you travel frequently enough it's super unlikely you'd stick around long enough for anyone to bother tooling up unless you have something that's clearly valuable enough to Garner unwanted attention, in which case you just need to be discreet about what's locked up.
I feel like it would be a total pain in the ass to open all the time, like even with the key, this lock seems to take half a minute to open, compared with maybe 5 seconds a normal lock takes, so it might be best used for doors you don't regularly use, like for a garden hut maybe
@@hanneswiggenhorn2023 Maybe because he said the lock was from Nevada I thought of a gate or outbuilding on the back of your property.
I agree. As long as you have at least a $35 hardware store padlock that would deter most children, you'd likely satisfy an insurance company that your stolen goods were indeed behind a locked door.
Another good advantage with this lock is that it can easily be sealed in a way that makes it practically impossible to destroy the seal without opening the lock, showing bad intent.
That by using 2 sticker-based seals on the bolt carrier, where the bolt pin would exit. Since the bolt carrier has 2 shallow holes corresponding to pins in lock body, that prevents lock body from rotating relative to the bolt carrier, the seals cannot be destroyed by someone by mistake, you actually have to open the lock to destroy the seals, showing you had a intent to access the area.
From the Ted Tooling website: "Using never before seen technology, it is purely mechanical only and is the only patented lock to use the new innovation of a bolt with a key... No other key in the world uses the unique technology to open the lock, meaning that it is IMPOSSIBLE to open the bolt without this key... There’s nothing else like it."
LPL: "Grab onto the grabby thing with another grabby thing, and turn.
They should have stuck with "unpickable". At least that's technically true, given that you can't use picks to open it.
$400 seems like a lot for a reverse bolt in a cup.
Yeah, it really does
This makes me kind of sad for them. I think they really believed that it was impossible to open. Much less, extremely easy to open with a low skill method.
This might be okay for home use. But anything important should be secured with something better. Which is exactly the opposite of what the website says.
Very sad.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable they had the hubris to call it unpickable. That's where they went wrong. At $400 and with the inconvenient key and opening method, this is terrible for home use.
Ted tooling: “this lock is unpickable”
The average smart arse: “this isn’t a lock, this is just a bolt that has dimples in it, it can’t be picked by design as there is nothing to pick!”
LPL: “sandpaper seems set, the first pliers are binding...”
Twist on one, two is binding, just need to apply some more force-- and we're in
@@kingjester123 love it
Seems to be a false set on the last one, so let's just lose the sand paper and give it another twist.
Very clever Alex.
Nice. With the dimples I do wonder if a "universal socket wrench" might also "bite" and undo it.
Love the channel and love watching but also can't help but to see this channel as a dictionary for anyone preparing to break into a specific lock.
To extract locking lug nuts on cars where the specially matched sockets are missing I find a 12 point socket that is just a hair smaller than the outside diameter and then use a hammer to pound it over the outside. The 12 point socket will cut teeth into the outside edge of the lug nut and grip it plenty tight so a ratchet can be used in the socket to loosen it. The hardest part is getting the lug nut out of the socket. I think this method would work on this lock too but it is pretty ingenious to give the bolt left hand threads. That alone could foil a potential intruder.
I suspect that your method would have to confront the lock moving around while you hammer the socket into place.
It may turn into a 2 person job. 1 to keep the lock stationary and 1 to hammer away.
Prime example of security by obscurity
Not really security by obscurity. Locks that have a core requiring a special tool would fit that bill. This is just a one time lock. After seeing the lock that one time and doing an hours research its worse than a Masterlock.
Well, it's one of my biggest issues with the lock mechanism. Once you remove the cap using magnet, you can see the combination directly.
After making a photo, one could make his own key.
Is that a pony profile picture
That's pretty cringe bro
@@FioEl54 This is exactly what the term "security by obscurity" means. You don't look at how secure a lock is against an unprepared attacker who doesn't know how it works, it has to be secure against a prepared attacker who knows how it works. Security by obscurity means: I think it is secure because you have not seen this yet. This is exactly what this lock does: Almost impossible to crack if unprepared, but really easy if you know what it is.
@@derp6424 agreed
Company: "This lock is unpickable"
Me: "No shit, Sherlock. It's a screw."
😂😂😂😂
It worked differently in their minds 🤣
I don't think it is actually ,technically...even a lock?
Company: "Well actually, it's a bolt"
Does it lock something? Then it's a lock!
This channel is such a good analogy about how cybersecurity works.
You would certainly need to know a lot about this device in order to pick it. A fascinating product that showcases how lockpicking and bypassing security works by understanding how that security itself functions.
add a roller bearing cage around the bolt. you would still be able to grab onto the bolt like he did, but your rotational force wouldnt be transmitted to the threads. since its the unique dimple pattern that allows the key to drive the bolt i feel like this simple modification would significantly raise the security level of this lock
Then you just mash a lump of JBweld or whatever 2 part paste epoxy into the recesses and stick an allen key in the back wait a couple of mins and turn it free.
At best this works because it needs a weird shaped socket and as long as the unlocking mechanism is just a standard thread there are plenty of ways to apply toque to it hell drill into the middle and jam a tapper in and use that as a wrench.
It'll stop most people and all but eliminate causal one off attacks because its unlikely people will have the tools on hand but if they know you use this particular lock it's not an insurmountable barrier because at the end of the day its a weird shaped bolt.
I did roadside assistance for a few years, a really common call out we'd get was for drivers with a punctured tyre and didn't have/couldn't find their locking wheelnut key so we'd have to improvise to get the wheel off. Almost all the methods, regardless of type, centred around taking a £1 shop socket that didn't quite fit over the nut/bolt, resting it roughly in place, then using a lump hammer to beat the socket like it's a red-haired stepchild until it does fit the nut.
From that experience I can tell you those slip bearings they put round the nuts don't make it any harder to get them off - it might take a minute or two longer, but it's not any more difficult. If you have the right sized socket to hand - something in the 16mm-19mm range - you can sometimes bevel the edges with a file and smack it straight through the bearing race to grip the stud inside. Or you can take the 5mm flat-blade screwdrivers you picked up in the £1 shop while you were stocking up on sockets and smack the tip of one or more in to the bearing race - it'll either cause the outer ring to tear meaning you can just pull it out of the way, or at the very least it'll deform either the ring or race to the point that it can't rotate, then apply torque to the screwdrivers to crack the stud out. You could even take a syringe with a 15 gauge needle and inject some araldite in to the race to lock it in place - although you have to work _really_ fast and if you're not careful you could either bond the treads or bond the fastener to the wheel - at which point your only option is to drag it back to depot and chop or burn the wheel off.
"Unpickable!"
*isn't actually a lock, but a shrouded security bolt*
Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
It is still a lock. So not technically correct.
@@Bronzescorpion Put you still can't pick it. You can unlock it without the key, but not "pick" it with a lockpick or other lockpicking tools.
Yeah, it isn't a lock
@@justanotherviewer4821
"a mechanism for keeping a door, window, lid, or container fastened, typically operated by a key."
Yes it is.
@@The1stDragonRider "Lock picking is the practice of unlocking a lock by manipulating the components of the lock device without the original key."
Edit: adding to that, if you are using a Bobby pin you are still picking a lock, so no lockpicks are needed for lockpicking.
They received an "I probably wouldn't get in". AKA the highest praise giveable by such a gifted tradesman. Wow. I'm still in shock at this compliment from him.
Only because it's security through obscurity. You could really, very easily make locks that would be just as likely to be picked as this, that are still quite simple concepts
and it's pretty interesting seeing something where the security is entirely built around obfuscation
As potatosordfighter666 pointed out (I have to even ask what that handle means), "it's security through obscurity". Which is actually what I consider the best first line of defense, having worked securing data systems. So it was deserved praise for true originality.
That shouldn't be the extent of your security, however. That only stops people on the first pass, the goal of it being to discourage 99% of would-be intruders to go seek an easier target. The 1% that sees it as a "challenge", however, are going to be back with a vengeance, so the rest of your defenses better be ready for it.
It's really inconvenient to put in place of normal door locks and there wasn't much of picking involved as it was more about unscrewing an unusual bolt.
@@NorthernKitty And if you're up against a APT, this lock (only) means you're SOL.
DIY camera repair folks often use lens spanners, they have two pointy ends and the distance can be adjusted. I think one of those tools would also fit the head, although the points are usually either sharp tapers or flatheads so some reshaping would be required.
I don't know if I would call that a lock as much as a weird bolt but hey, that'll deter a fair few people through weirdness alone.
I had the same thought. I have one with round pins on both arms. It may work. Might have to remove both arms from the cross bar but...
You are awesome man. Love the intelligence of your videos. Thank you.
The only amount of security this lock has is the fact that the average person would have no clue wtf they're even looking at. This doesn't even resemble a lock its just a metal ball
but everyone knows now🤣
If it covers a door shackle, it must be a lock.
That seems to be the design philosophy for the lock in general. Weird shape, awkward stopper over the key way, threaded backwards, etc.
Tbh that on it’s own might be a decent deterrent for most petty thieves. Don’t want to be sat around just solving a puzzle in a risky situation, right?
@@sideways5153 Well the thought of what might be hidden behind a lock of this caliber might just be the motivation the theif needs.
I'm thinking there's a reason it looks so much like a doorknob.
It would be funny if something like this had an external keyhole that did literally nothing just to keep someone occupied
Replace that steel plug with a useless keyway..we would never know it needed to be pulled out with a magnet…except for LPL
Dummy keyholes are definitely a thing
Someone should send him a fake lock
Good thought . The longer it takes to pick a lock the higher chance of getting caught .
@@DMS20231 i have a theory. Yoy might could overcome that by replacing the pins with tiny ball bearings. That way they wouldn't lock into the key slots, but to a lock picking thief they would feel like regular pins. Maybe it would work 🤷♂️🤷♂️
This lock is really a great idea that works. Most people would never think of doing what you did Sir. All stainless steel ???
Was at a substation at a shared site with a water company. They left site and locked the gate leaving our lock out of the looping. First thought was to use the Milwaukee universal key, but we rattle gunned the gate brackets off one side. Drove out and installed them backwards.
I believe I saw this locking system on Demolition Ranch and they gave it hell.
"I'm just gonna do this with a regular old magnet" pulls out fckin neodymium lightsaber
Even though LPL hasn't mentioned it, I'd bet he has the Death-Sentence in at least 12 systems. {o.o}
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT huh?
@@MAGGOT_VOMIT the empire has a bounty for him he is too dangerous to be kept alive
Yeah, like everybody has one of them in their back pocket lol.
You can buy them for a few dollars. Amazon shows 2 cylinder neodymium magnets for 12 dollars. Sounds pretty mundane to me.
"Today at the range, we're going to be using this extraordinary violence Bosnian Bill and I made to open this lock"
I'd love to see this thing up against a 50 cal.
We want the violence!
I also demand the violence (please)
Time for a collaboration with Demolition Ranch
@@nutbastard i mean if it's full steel body, it's pretty much impenetrable for any handheld gun. With how much metal there are, i'd say anything less than 30mm AP will have significant issues going through, if it will at all, even say 20mm
This came up after watching a cybertruck footage. It looks perfectly fits into that truck.
I love the ingenuity of picking this. Of course as he said it probably wouldn’t be common to carry the things that you would need for picking it but still very ingenuous picking tactic.
When stealing the lock is profitable...
LOL
Ahaha indeed
😂
Trying to sell a 400$ lock without the key seems hard though
Lol forget the stuff ima sell the lock
I love the phrase "It would take an act of extraordinary violence to break" something about it just makes me smile
*Crashes plane into the company building*
*safely lands with a parachute*
"DID I BREAK ONE OPEN!?!?"
LMAO
ya, no sneaky spies in and out that way, eh? Skip the lock picking, use a window.
like John Cleese with a small tree branch?
That means a grinder and a lot of noise and mess, or dynamite a whole lot more noise and mess.
I can just imagine a merchant trying to sell this in a roleplaying game like D&D.
"Oh nothing is _completely_ invulnerable no... but I can assure you it would take an act of _extraordinary_ violence."
Honestly due to the lack of complexity of the "key" this seemed more pickable than many things ive seen before. Plier to plier is also tools i snd many others have lying around
"Let's break the lock"
**looks at lock**
_"Let's break the wall"_
**realizes he is in the US**
**punches a hole in the wall**
Episode of Sarah Connor Chronicles
"If you can't destroy it as a bullet then use it as the bullet"
That is how the firefighter do.
*Looks at lock*
"Let's just cut the chain"
I always imagine the development team of these locks watching these videos, feeling crushed to the bone that their masterpiece had been ruined within 60 seconds
Lol riiiite
Either a curse or a gift as they can find the flaws and improve on the next batch, like how , in WW2, the British stole German notes about captured Churchill tanks and used it to improve the design and so forth
It's not like they don't know it's unpickable they just know people are stupid enough to believe it and buy it
LPL provides a damn valuable service to the companies developing new lock designs. You basically get thousands of hours of expertise to show you how to re-engineer your products weak points and all it costs you is a mildly embarrassing video tear down of your prototype.
its easy to be fixed, the mechanism that take the key has to be inverted inside the locks body, so there is no point where u can grab that. the key would need a hull though, for carrying around, cause the pins would be elevated
A lot of Harry Houdini’s job was doing what you do. Just studying every lock he could ever find from all over the world, knowing there is always away to get around it, then create a performance that hides the method.
and then there was the time he got defeated by an unlocked cell door
A stainless free spinning collar around the bolt head like on a locknut for a car wheel would stop the pliers from being able to grip the head of the bolt, also a tighter tolerance around the bolt would help also.
Advertising department: You can't pick a lock if there's no lock to pick. Unpickable!
LPL: So anyways I got two wrenches and some sand paper.
Hey, let's not forget that he also used a magnet! What's the changes your average burglar also has that? :D
@@MikkoRantalainen more likely since it can defeat electronic, and those 5 digit push buttons. Also if you waive a strong magnet across auto garage door openers (similar to the ones that tripp traffic signals) they all open.
@@MikkoRantalainen the "average" burglar doesn't carry any tools except maybe a hammer and a long screwdriver for punching/breaking things. The vast majority of B&Es are done using "objects of opportunity" to violate a weak point in security, such as a window or soft door.
To have any value, this lock would need to be mounted to something equally durable, or else you could probably just break it off. Most hasps would break long before this lock would.
It's still a valid semantic argument. There is no lock therefore nothing to pick. Can it be opened without the custom wrench? Yeah, but they didn't say it was un-openable :) It's absolutely a semantic argument of course.
@@MikkoRantalainen They give away magnets on business cards and stuff all the time, easier then sandpaper to find in a pinch.
"Regular old magnet" - actually forged from Mount Doom and capable of dragging a car.
Possible.
Lmao
Legit
Won't expect less from the God of Locks.
You know your magnets I'm impressed.I was impressed with the magnet too.
there is a quick improvement on that lock, back home we had it this way: 1) key shaft needs to be thinner than actual key tip, 1) instead of direct key insert it needs to have a side cut to slide through, hole on the side is matching size of key tip, and then it has just thin cut to allow rest of the shaft to fit, and top/center keyhole is same diameter as key shaft, that way, you cant get any generic of the shelf tool in there, unless custom made,
I bet these lock companies hate you. But it's really interesting watching you work
Technically can't be picked if it's not really a lock...
Masterlock: 'Write that down! Write that down!'
They officially renamed to Masternotlock
@@alt842 Masterlockn't
It needs a key to be opened 'legally'.
Maybe picking should be redefined as opening without the key - that bolt was definitely keyed.
"Probably wouldn't get in." I think the biggest lock compliment he's ever given.
I was going to say exactly this. High praise indeed.
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I gotta remember that sandpaper trick. Being able to grip that with needle nose has set my mind thinking of all those DAMN BOLTS! EERERRRRRAAAHHH!!!
Looked very easy and you made it look even easier.
This is another case of "it's not a lock, but it's so obnoxious that it'll still deter most people." Reminds me of the crazy Indian "lock" that was just a mechanical puzzle.
This is literally the same technology as patterned wheel nuts. Definitely not worth $400.
It looks like such a good target to just tear whatever it’s holding shut open though. Nice and proud of anything you could mount it to.
A 10 lb sledge probably wouldn’t do anything to the lock. But if it’s mounted to anything like a door…
@@ccibinel yup, just with a insanely thick steel shroud.
Um it’s technically a lock as it uses a key to unlock it even if it’s not the typically type of key found on a lock.
@@Charlesb88 well is it really? is a security torx also a key? That the socket is unusual doesn't make it a key...
"If I didn't know better, this would be difficult"
-LockPickingLawyer
But... he DOES know better, and so do we all now, haha. It's not difficult at all. A simple universal socket would defeat it. Or a screw tap bit (for stripped screws). Or a drill to make a hole in the middle and a screwdriver to hammer into it, biting the sides. Or a strong pair of tweezers/2 chopsticks/a needlenose pushed into those dimples...
@@ArtemisKitty To be fair, your average person who would try to take this despite the lock, probably wouldn't figure out how to open this.
Edit: the commenter below knows more than me lol
@@ArtemisKitty Don't forget that the bolt threaded in reverse, which would be a problem for screw taps and extractors, and the head is rounded, which wouldn't offer any purchase to those dinky pinned universal sockets.
@@gustandberg7553 Then just switch the tap bit for a screw.
@@ArtemisKitty it's easy if you're prepared. if you're not, you'll just look at it with wonder and before you figure it out, the owner has already returned.
simplicity does not always easily translate to practicality.
Wow, that’s a physical example of the computer security concept of security through obscurity! Cool!
The biggest flaw of this lock is that the company sent it to the LPL. Now they have unveiled the mechanism, and at the very least they would have had an extra sale for the failed lock.
Me: what specialized tool will LPL use today?
LPL: Pliers
TED TOOLING: wont work
LPL: 2 Pliers
4 Pliers
6 Pliers
And my axe
@@alexandertsas6265
And my magnum
What lock picking lawyer had taught me is nothing is un-pickable, just unknown. As soon as the unknown becomes known, it's pickable. The average person will walk up to this and not even know it's a lock. If you know how it works it's easier to pick than a standard lock.
If you watch a conference he animated (somewhere on youtube, it was recommended to me a few weeks ago), you'll see he actually strongly condemns the "security by obscurity" mindset that a lot of security companies have.
@@unter9982 My comment in no way says that security by obscurity is good. In fact, if anything, it would imply the opposite. The observation is that your security is only as good as it is against someone who's aware of what they're up against. Something being secure against an untrained individual is okay and even adequate in certain scenarios, but it means nothing at the end of the day if someone who knows what they're attacking can just walk right in, because there's an easy exploit to be had, even if the average person wouldn't have even tried to enter in the first place. Therefore, securing something in a manner that leaves you more vulnerable to skilled individuals by just appearing impenetrable to a layman is not a particularly good idea.
Knowledge is power
@@nickwilliams2415 I completely agree, encountering this lock in the field and not knowing how it works and not having specific tools makes this a very secure lock
@@unter9982 Yet passwords or safe combinations or keys are exactly that when you boil it down to its essence, security by obscurity.
There's many different 'authentication factors', but in the end they boil down to really only a few things, ranked in order of how often they're used are:
- Knowledge factors (keys, pins, passwords, patterns, codes programmed into RFID/NFC chips, etc)
- Posession factors (the actual entry password is auto-generated and sent by request to a phone or other identification device the authorized person holds in possession)
- Location factors (niche, but can be very effective)
- Time factors (niche, but can be very effective)
The reason a key is a Knowledge factor and not a Posession factor in my opinion is because you can fabricate keys so long as you know the cuts... there's a reason LPL doesn't show the keys on camera for locks in active use.
Whether fingerprints or retinal scans should be considered Knowledge or Posession factors is up for debate.. although given how easily they're recreated/spoofed I'd personally be inclined to call them Knowledge factors as well.
So yeah, most of all applied factors are, in actuality, a form of security by obscurity.. unfortunate as that may be.
You could put a in lever that requires the key to let go of the bolt, like a side pin.
Another thing is two bolts. One below that the key actually engages with prongs through the first. You could stack a few. If the key had a hard enough press it would slip into the next when aligned if they were offset.
Or another tube that turns the second nut from the bottom so the top is flat and smooth.
Though I have come to expect LPL to get into anything, I must admit STARTING with a magnet and then transitioning into a lefthand bolt is quite devilish.
It being bulletproof is also amazing.
This lock has impressed me.
I’d lock to see LPL make a tier list video one day.
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Lock? Really dude?
@@hochigaming14yearsago90 lol
@@randomness4259 there are 4 of them
@Raphael's Epic Stuff Clearly there's 7
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“It’s almost certainly tougher than whatever you are locking”
What you don’t know is that I use this lock to guard my large collection of these locks
Make an entire container purely out of a bunch of these locks locked to each other so that whatever you're locking is exactly as strong as the lock itself
How does this lock have any real world use? I’m pretty unclear as to how it would be attached to anything in the real world.
@@AlcoholicBoredom i imagine the manufacturers/sellers might specify it's use, but i imagine it's probably more for larger storage containers? Ultimately, it needs something the pin can slide into, so either 2 latches that can't be pulled apart, or a singular latch with a hole for the lock to block it from opening (like a side gate you'd find on a house). But considering how thick the pin looks, it seems..very specialized. Kinda reminds me of those puck locks which ive seen used on a lot of vans that have 2 doors on the back
"Unpickable" no mechanism to pick!
I think just the magnetic plunger is the major security part. If you cant even see how it opens, you cant even get started. But since magnets are used for bypassing locks, guess its possible someone tries without even knowing the lock beforehand.
Reversed bolt extractors are a thing, mostly just need to have your local shop order one from the distributor. But there are a lot of ways to go about that, from pliers to rods jammed into the holes, to possibly a screw extractor which you've a chance getting in reverse if you have a whole set.
As a maintenance worker the impromptu sandpaper wrench on wrench brought a tear to my eye.
I woulddn't call that a lock, looks more like a puzzle to me.
but what is a usual lock, but a very sophisticated puzzle?!?
@@sacrophagi Hard to disagree on that, dude.
I would just call it a proprietary screw that requires a proprietary screwdriver
That's what makes it a great lock, it's not a lock!
puzzles are only solved with the hands and brain.
I don't recall any puzzle on Mr. Puzzle or other puzzle channel that involved anything further than those tools and whatever comes in the package.
And just like that Ted's Tooling went back to the drawing board
Or out of business.
it would cause much more headache if those dimples on the bolt and key had to be depressed properly or something. Still probably not impossible but a much bigger headache.
Sad thing is, they won’t. They’ll likely just continue marketing at the ridiculous price
All he has to do is make the bolt head flush
@@Drakir72 Then their key won't have good enough purchase on the bolt either.... This is just security through obscurity which just got absolutely shattered with the massive exposure of the inner workings of the lock.
This dude is the best I ever seen!!
Something like an adjustable 2 pin spanner might work too. I used one for camera lens & filter repairs.
This seems like a security by obscurity kind of lock.
Which makes sending to LPL a dumb move.
@@SpencerHHO its easy marketing tho, which probably is worth more than enough for them to upweigh the downsides
@@Real_MisterSir there are limits to "also bad news is good news"-style marketing. Who is going to buy a lock that can be opened without force (or effort at all) in seconds?
@@stephanweinberger if you care to lock up something with anything better than a cheap lock that can be easily removed with forethought by the owner then you gonna go for something you thing would be difficult. Not really much of an I between amongst most consumers.
@@stephanweinberger especially when he has just shown how easy it is
When your key is just a fancy screwdriver, your "lock" is indeed "unpickable"
Sounds like the ignition key for my car...
@@bmw328igearhead...hol up
You mean your door screw?
@@askylibrarianoftheoceans4102 yes.... the ignition of one of my vehicles can be started with multiple different cuts of key. A wiggle of anything wavey in that cylinder with a turn and VROOM.
I must say, its nice to be able to remove the keys while its running ;) gotta love the OLD GM lock cylinders.
Well technicaly, if you can not use a pick to open it, it's unpickable. They never said it could not be open with pliers :P lol.
easy fix is too make sure they raise the inner surface around the bolt head so it sits flush, this way you cant put the pliers around it. or put a slip collar around the bolt. my locking wheel nuts on my spare wheel cage under my van has this feature. you cant grab the head as its shrouded with a sleeve connected too the cage itself. you either need the socket type key, or a grinder too cut the cage bars x2
then you wouldn't be able to grab it with the socket key. The slip collar might work, though
00:49 I literally thought he was going to pull out the Cyberdyne T2 chip from the Terminator 2. That bolt should be flush and not have any raised edges.
"I probably wouldn't get in" - LPL
This better be their marketing headline from now on!
no shit.. of course if you havent heard of LPL then its pointless.. but for those of us who have.. we know
meanwhile us watching at home like...
We're assuming someone who's kit doesn't include pliers. I know MY kit includes pliers. Oh, and a magnet.
@@andrewtinker7537 if it is in a place where security will check your tools then it’s tough work to get the tools you need to pick this one in with you. And unless you know about the lock even with a plier you prob never thing about how you can open it to begin with.
@@clorkmagnus plus the reverse threads would probably make most people think that they're just not using enough torque.
I do like that lock manufacturer's are sending you pieces. It shows their integrity to produce a quality product.
Yes. Hopefully this eventually leads to some genuinely secure locks.
@@joshduthie3401 Anyone that wants ''truly secure' locks are fooling themselves. If a lock is good enough to bar someone from entry so long as they don't have a substantial period of time alone with the lock is secure enough. No defense mechanism is going to defeat someone with as much time as tools as they want to breakthrough. If it delays people enough that gives security a chance to find the person. If bypassing is too bothersome thieves won't even try and find a softer target. Shit locks that are easily brute-forced with basic tools do little but it still works on thieves of opportunity who see the lock and leave. After that are the decent locks that require effort (and possible loud violence) to bypass which will deter most thieves unless you are a specified target or very juicy because why bother picking that lock when their are softer targets nearby.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 I dont know what you mean. This is the First Lock on the Channel that really impressed me. Just the Magnet alone is enough to make it that Most people cant get in. The locking mechanism is breakable, but only If you are prepared and know what you will find. If you buy this Lock, you could garantee that noone would bei able to break it. He even said himself, that he needs to be really prepared. You will never find a perfekt Lock, because If there is a Key there is a way to break it.
@@zlatkostevanovic5891 To be fair, this is a "lock" without an actual key, just a special magnet to turn a large screw with a flat head it seems. Nothing about it seems "locked", more assembled.
You know Kyle at the lock company lost the bet that the Lawyer would not get it open. His 6 months or work designing the magnetic cover plate, wasted. Poor kyle!
Seems quite an easy solution to making that lock better. Just make the bolt internally locating only so you can have a smaller "key" and less space around it to get pliers onto it
There are smooth taper locking wheel nut removal sockets that also utilise sand paper to grip the wheel bolt iff the adaptor has broken or is missing from the car .
"I probably wouldn't get in"
- Words LPL has never before spoken unto mere mortals
"If I wasn't specifically prepared for it"
Yeah, and Batman totally doesn't always carry a utility belt or prepares for basically every scenario.
Have you ever seen Batman and LPL in the same room? I think not.
Mortals Is high praise
I don't walk around with strong magnets penetration testing door handles. (I didn't, but now I do)
@@danieldeelite Considering how often LPL defeats lock mechanisms with magnets, I wouldn't be surprised if he kept one of those on him. The sandpaper and bolt removal implements, on the other hand...probably less likely.
@@ShjadeNexayre magnets can be real pain as you need to keep them away from other sensitive tools, don't want to magnetize them by accident, and those cheapo hotel magnetic strip cards too (although you have to keep those away from mobile phones too).
One thing I like about it is the stealth: I wouldn't even expect that the center-piece must be pulled out with a magnet. I'd be simply confused. If they simply put a regular lock inside it'd be better.
Regular locks need regular tools, and regular tools are what you usually bring. Like he said, if you're not prepared for this outlandish lock, then you would just be forced to sigh and leave unless you happened to bring an entire toolbox.
@@brookefoxie9610 on the other hand any idiot who has seen how it works once, can easily get in without much skill, after spending 5$ at a hardware store.
I’m no expert, but if the key way was recessed into that tube, I’d imagine it’d be significantly more difficult to pick
@@sweetbabytrae Perhaps with one of those "double key" type setups like the bike lock he once picked? I don't see any way you'd be able to tension them both and pick both in a recess like that, like you said even a regular lock would be significantly more difficult to pick.
@@brookefoxie9610 i would argue the tools required to pick this lock are far more "regular" for any non locksmith than most traditional locks. His regular or basic tools are not the same as everyone else's. regular.
My dad had a bolt like that on the door of his shop in the 90s. After a break in. Lets say no problems after that especially with how tight het kept the bolt.
I daily drive this lock for my house's front door. On the weekend nights I usually sleep in the shed.
Lack of engineering in this lock, could have at least countersunk the hole containing the bolt head. This would have made the LPL’s video at least a minute longer.
My immediate thought as well, there had to have been enough room in there right?
Yes, I was expecting bolt to be sunk and LPL sticking circlip pliers into these holes.
That was my first thought, too. However, the bolt has a grooved head that is designed to snap onto the key's outer sleeve, indexing the wrench in place. The key/wrench would have to be redesigned a bit.
@@NoeticSystem can't they just use the shaft above the bolt to index onto the bolt? It's not like it isn't a perfect shape for it all.
Hell, just shrink the hole down some more so there is even less space between the shaft and the bolt.
@@NoeticSystem They could just put the groove in the housing so the wrench is indexed correctly but still turns.
What I'm getting from this channel is that most locks are really just supposed to be used as an effective deterrent, rather than as an end-all solution
That's all security.
You only have to make it secure _relative_ to the value of the protected goods
My father in law always says "Locks only keep honest people honest. If someone wants to get in, they will find a way."
A good lock will keep a thief who wants anybody's valuables from taking your valuables. No lock will keep a thief who wants your valuables from taking your valuables.
You honestly only need to make the lock hard enough to open to not be worth the effort. If it would be easier to break the door, the window, cut into the safe wall, ect, then your lock is good enough.
Lpl just makes it look easy because he is a master at this stuff. Most criminal lock pickers wouldn't have this much skill since they would normally only be breaking into cheap locks that are less risk.
when i was sick in bed for a week all i did was watch all his videos LOL really great stuff
just started thinking about this. The key does not offer that much leverage, since the drive surfaces are small and shallow. That means, the torque on that bolt is neglegible.
One could probably use something like a set of (Pointy) needle nose pliers to catch two of the indents in the bolthead, and carefully turn the bolt in a similar fashion to the shown technique. yes, you need to divert some of your force to keep the plier tips from slipping, and someone who does not know this lock well would probably try lefty loosey first, if they manage to understand that it is just a fancy bolt thats stopping them.
Thinking about this more, it could be possible that something along the lines of a "Gator grip" universal socket could grab the profile on that bolt with some spring loaded pins and work like a universal key. These sockets can be pretty bulky, but in principle, you just need one with extra long pins to get down into that bore.
In conclusion, like many others, this lock is good to keep out the unprepared.
Blupoint makes a reversed bolt extractor set. Just a little trade knowledge from a mechanic to a locksmithing lawyer... ✌😎
This. Came to mind as soon as LPL said it!
Reverse bolt extractor? Been looking for these to put the fucking mashed thing back in that i had to use the regular extractor to get out 😆
Never needed one but makes sense, reverse threads are still used in plenty of applications.
Boat engines always have a reverse threaded bolt somewhere. You can spot it by the mashed head and tiny almost invisible notches.
But they seem to be of the drill bit kind not the spiral kind shown here. They'd be a bit more destructive
Lock maker: this lock is unpickable!
LPL: s a n d p a p e r
Ya, but did he use a pick? :)
Technically not pickable. It's just a magnet and a socket wrench.
and some pliers that were in my basement when i moved in
@@ValleyCustoms He couldn't because there isn't technically a lock.
@@jackdub7740 You sure it was not "a plier that Bosnian Bill and I created"?
This man can crack any lock
Possibly a big pair of stilsons and a battery grinder. A quick grind of two flats and possibly be able to shear the locating pins on the housing. Stainless is much harder therefore brittle and will shear rather than bend .
He’s literally picking every lock that looks like the “stuff made here” lock. He’s teasing us!! 😂
It's agonizing!
What are we like 5 months in on the SME lock?
I wonder how much is tease and how much is him studying non-traditional picking methods
Lol it might have him beat?
@@StadiumLandings He mentioned quite recently (maybe 2 weeks ago?) that it hasn't come in the mail yet
This channel has helped me steal more things than any other source thanks
I think they'd have a solid lock if they had made the bolt sunk into the casing so you can't grip it and require the key to be pushed into it to actually get leverage to twist it.
Impressioning could still work however that'd somewhat rely on how tight it is, you'd probably just shear the epoxy if it were properly tightened.
Hiding the bolt head in a counterbore would foil the method shown, but it could still be easily opened by methods such as placing rods in two of the holes and using pliers to grip them and remove the bolt. However, all these methods involve figuring out that a left hand thread is used.
They could have also made it so the plunger doesnt have space around the bolt for the pliers.
You'd have to go epoxy or stick a wielding stick in there and then grab the stick and twist with a wrench once its fused
I would probably not guess that its left hand threaded and waste my time breaking off sticks trying to turn it counterclockewise
Knowing how it works it the best info you can use to defeat it. Drilling and using the straight sided easy outs could work. I have even used concrete nails for easy outs.
Instead just have an areas for the key pins to just set in, they could do a ball and groove system. So the set pins actually do some instead of just giving it a grip.
It would add a simple addition that would prevent you from just grabbing the locking mechanism and unscrewing it.
The pins would push in allowing the bearing balls to drop in a slote in the pin, then you can turn it. With out that, the bearings lock it into place make it impossible to turn, unless you shear the ball bearings. In which shearing the bearings will lock it completely down and a new one would have to be bought, but it did it's job.