Big thanks to everybody that are part of the Zombie battery campaign for making this video possible! I have been wanting to do this for many years but I haven't had resources to do this in a safe and responsible way (are any of my videos safe and responsible?) but now it's done and it was worth of all the effort. And great that we were also able to deliver some important information with the entertainment!
I'm sure you may know this but you will only get a fire/explosion if the battery is at or near a fully charged state. I had hoped you might say something about not sending batteries for disposal if they had been recently charged.
Last one is Lithium-Iron-Phosphate, which is a MUCH MUCH safer chemistry (unfortunately less capacity). The lack of fire in the last test proves how much better LFP batteries are for vehicle safety.
The firedepartment guy said that those drone back type of batteries are super safe. So I had to do hold my beer type of thing there to better the odds :D
TH-cam algorithm.. please do your thing. This video is actually quite important and what an excellent demonstration of what improper disposal of lithium-based batteries can lead to. This video MUST have hundreds of millions of views. This is required viewing for the world seriously. Aside from it being incredibly educational and funny, it’s also important.
How is polluting the environment funny?? One can find plenty of videos showing the dangers of this type of battery. I shudder to think how youtube has inspired the destruction of things for entertainment value in pursuit of views.
Good video for increasing awareness. While I know about the dangers of lithium batteries I honestly didn't expect such a huge energy release from the first example.
some of the bigger BEV's can have as many as 8000 of these battery cells and it only takes one to malfunction like in the press and all the rest will follow it. The press crushed it but that is not what started the fire. the cell needs to overheat which will cause the chemical reaction that you saw so it was the short circuit that was necessary.
I'm starting to have second thoughts if it's safe to charge and store my EUC in the hallway. Maybe balcony would be safer, but there is now 0 degrees and sometimes even -20C and I don't know if it's too cold for charging.
The primary hazard with lithium cells isn't the lithium itself, as it is diffused through the electrodes. It's the energy that they store being released suddenly. So for the best bang and flames they have to be fully charged. Fully discharged cells are fairly safe.
We had all cells expect the failed drone battery charged full to get best mayhem. I didn't know why it makes difference just know that it helps :D So thanks for the explanation behind the difference.
Would have been good to have a/b testing of identical batteries full Vs discharged. One for ProjectFarm?😂 More seriously there's a message here to fully discharge batteries irrespective of how 'responsibly' you dispose of them.
I am surprised how the little 18650 cell exploded and flamed up with such fury! Certainly an eye opener since I use and abuse power tools in confined spaces, my pre-work checklist now has another safety critical element. Thanks for helping raise awareness of how dangerous every day items can be if damaged.
Seriously! I know they're lithium batteries so I need to take them seriously, but they look and feel just like a AA so I treat them with just as much abandon.
@@GuyNamedSean AA batteries are just as dangerous if you are not careful with them. Afterall, they are energy sources, which is a big red flag for safety concerns.
The first one exploded so violently so early probably because the hydraulic press connects the anode with the cathode in a low resistance short circuit.
I have been using lithium batteries and battery packs/sticks for industrial and personal applications for years. These batteries seem resilient when we use them, but become dangerous without continuing analysis and care. Batteries should be respected more than the devices we use them for, no exceptions, no matter the battery chemistry. They will be angry with you if you mistreat them, and they can destroy everything you own! Thank you for this wonderful safety statement! Entertaining as always!
Obviously we're usually here because it's fun to watch things get destroyed but this is really a great way to illustrate the destructive risks that come from poor battery disposal that we just don't consider! Great job making us learn something!
@@manga12 The original Energica Ego electric motorcycle. Part of the reason why it was so heavy, is because the battery pack heavily reinforced & armored. I don't how Energica is building them now, but for accidents, and attacks, I have to consider doing the same. I'm already into offroader vehicles, that are already tough, just to survive offroad. Like rock crawling Jeeps with skidplates, rollcages, and truck-bed-liner paint. And Dirtbikes, Dualsports, and some Adventure motorcycles. It's so normal for them to fall or crash, because of tree-roots & rocks, there is high chance you can just pick them up, and keep riding. Even if you break something, it is a cheap fix or replacement. Meanwhile, sport bikes, especially luxury ones like Ducati, the Ferrari of the bike world. If one of those falls over, that's hundreds or more dollars in repairs. So, I'm used to offroad vehicles being heavier. But for e-bikes & e-motorcycles, I just have to settle on a balance between added weight in armor, and how else to protect the batteries.
They're so inherently dangerous just by existing that a healthy firefighter with a heavy steel wrecker bar only needed several minutes of effort to make som of them combust!!! Yeah, I know, and I'm not attacking you TopherRocks. Just very tired of the anti-EV whackos here in the US blaming the batteries for everything from diesel fires to falling educational standards to the way the moon winked at them when they were on the toilet last night.
I think the government has dropped the ball here in the US. There is no standardized way to dispose of batteries. Some states have figured it out, but not all
@@chiefdenis Amish aren't supposed to but there was a recent news article about a few with secret phones shunned by the community when an emergency message system test outed them around company. One was being interviewed by elders about breaking some rules, BZZZZBZZZBZZZ. I know it is serious for them in the community but they don't set people on fire any more so far as I know so it is a bit funny.
@@johncarlaw8633 lol, that is funny, I've heard there are factions of amish who allow the use of some technology, kinda like vegans to vegetarians, don't know how true that is though
Thank God you are self aware that crushing Lithium batteries is stupid to do. Seeing what goes on here has COMPLETELY turned me off ever buying an electric car. You have saved my life and for that I thank you.
The batteries that exploded and caught fire were those using older lithium technology, which used nickel and cobalt. You can learn about electric car batteries using LFP, and search for the keyword nail test LFP. you will be surprised.
Awesome video that makes us aware of how dangerous these batteries are. Some days ago an Electric scooter exploded in Madrid underground. The place, the access doors were completely destroyed. No one was seriously injured, but the chief board of Madrid city transports have just decided to Ban all electrified personal mobility devices in Madrid public transport
@@dielaughing73 Probably. Its actually amazing how rare fires are compared to how common they are. Just don't crush them in the trash or a hydaulic press I guess!
That was an incredibly educational video!! Well done showing the dangers of tossing this stuff in the general trash. I didn’t realize how dangerous these cells were. Thanks!!
Just a tip, use tape to cover the poles of the battery so you don't risk it catching fire because of short circuiting when the batteries touch one another.
I've known about this for years. That's why I always carry around with me a lithium battery and a hydraulic press in case I'm ever in a survival situation and need to make fire. 🧠
If a electric tool box get dropped during freight from manufacturing to seller and damaged , the procedure is to Scrap the batterys in it . So you just need to drop your Tool or battery hard into the ground or other hard surface from some hight/at some velocity, and you have fun Lottery battery with potential for fireworks. No hydraulic press needed.
@@fagan4119just get a high amp 18650 or 21700 and short it(aka touch the positive and negative with a conductor). The thing will instantly combust and probably harm you if you're too close
@@stompingpeak2043 I suppose you could go that route but what fun would that be? If I'm in a survival situation i want to at least be entertained because it can be quite boring.
The outcomes will be very different if you crush a fully charged vs. a completely discharged battery. The "full" battery is likely to explode. The "empty" battery is more likely to just smolder.
Most people don't realize there are lithium batteries in things and just chuck em. We need better education on that stuff, of big warnings on appliances that you cannot throw them away. Another good reason all batteries should be removable with plenty of easy access drop off locations.
Thanks for doing this, I'm in NYC and we've had so many horrible and deadly fires because of cheap Lithium Ion batteries, I'm sharing this with a lot of people to help with awareness Also, keep in mind that Lithium is recycled at almost 90%, it's a limited but highly recyclable material.
Most of the time it's because of missing or cheap or bad Battery management systems. They should prevent from most mistakes. That's why I switched to Einhell tool battery packs for my ebike. Cheap and very good quality
@@vendomnu (me)To what extent is the lithium in batteries recyclable (bard) The lithium in batteries is highly recyclable. In fact, up to 95% of the lithium in lithium-ion batteries can be recycled. By using bard as source I can not be accused of looking within the pro EV bubble. Partly recycled cells are known as black mass is now being listed as a commodity in several markets. A few months ago gas and oil seems to have spent a fair bit of money to get the word out that batteries are not recyclable. Which is false. In a relatively short time the net went from recycling gearing up to recycling not going to happen. Yeah not scientific just my observation. Take it for what it is worth.
@@danharold3087 Even if the cells are 100% recyclable. How are you going to do that ? I'm sure you know there is no "wonderbox" where you put in the old battery and a "new" one comes out. What do you need to recycle ? The only thing I can think of is "they" want lots of people to be poor (happy) and unable to transport, so "they" can be rich (unhappy) and do whatever they want. So "they" will tell you anything you want to hear. And because young folks love to talk about the environment, green, safe, recycling, that is want we are hearing right now. Just my observation from an old fart, take it for what it's worth. You'll figure it out autoamtically when you become the old fart and the young folks don't listen.
The cost of recycling these EV batteries is uneconomic because they are not engineered to be recycled. It's mostly hype when the say they can recycle because most of the metals like cadmium etc is not worth the effort. Lithium can be removed but again it often is again not worth the effort and costs.
Honestly impressed how well the dgi battery handled being crushed. In Germany all electronics retailers with a sales floor larger than 100m² have to accept electronic waste for disposal, including batteries. If, like me, you don't have a car to bring your electronics to a waste management facility, that's a good place to get rid of it, too.
Does a destroyed electric car count as e-waste? Imagine the people at Mediamarkt when someone rolls up with a flatbed carrying a bunch of wrecked Teslas :D
@@adriankoch964 would be funny, but unfortunately there are size limitations. It has to be smaller than a normal washing machine. Most retailers will take back items of that size anyway, but they're not legally required, so it might be a good idea to call ahead and check
I addition, you should turn lithium batteries in because the spent batteries are highly recyclable. The recycling chain will eventually become a very important part of the life cycle for making new batteries.
@@JeffreyBenzodiazepines they are about 90-98 percent recyclable depending on process, but the problem is achieving scale to make the operation profitable. There are not really enough spent batteries in the pipeline for scale. There is a plant in my area that’s having a go at it.
@@lsh3rdThe metal shells are easily recycled but the actual electrolyte is extremely cost prohibitive and no company that does the recycling process will actually say who is doing it so it's likely just like plastics ... it's given to China and they just dump it.
I was a LITTLE worried ... till you started going into all the safety precautions and warnings ... LiPo is NO JOKE! Thank you for showing how serious people need to treat these amazing lil bundles of energy.
I didn't expect that such small batteries can cause such a dangerous fire. But the two accu packs for wireless tools really shocked me. Everyone should handle these packs with much more respect and definitely no one should dump them in household trash. Thanks for showing to us 👍
The last one didn't catch on fire because it was discharged, and thus had no chemical potential energy stored in it. FULLY discharged batteries pose no fire hazard.
I think there are batteries that size that could explode like a bomb. I think these ones were lithium iron phosphate which don't really explode. Either that, or the batteries were so old that they would appear to have a full charge but no balls behind it. Notice how there are holes drilled in the press when they are crushing batteries in the enclosed crucible? Imagine the bomb that would be if those holes weren't there!
The battery was probably discharged and had no energy to release and/or it could have been nickel metal hydride batteries which don't brust into flames like lithium cells.
Thats when they are not in use anymore. Have you think a littlebit case they damage by themselves for example during recharging? Have a tought to where you actually recharge them? This is applying also cellphone. Typically it is right next to your bed on night table at night. Will you wake up when it flashes?
This is awesome, and thank you for showing the public the horrible things that can happen to poor waste disposal workers if someone can't be bothered to dispose of their batteries at a recycling point. This also neatly shows why entire shipments of electric cars catch fire and everyone has to abandon ship when one slightly badly put-together one shorts out and explodes...
there was a case of a home made electric car catching fire on a ferry while charging. One of the ships supposedly burned by electric cars was salvaged only to find ALL of the electric cars were un burnt on a separate deck..A whole parking garage at an airport was burned down when a gas powered range rover caught fire.Very little coverage of that fire! another ship supposedly destroyed by an electric car sank and no real investigation was ever done. Many of the so called electric cars that have burned in china were actually gas electric hybrids.
That last battery must have been using LTO cells, since they don't explode or even catch on fire... just a little puff of smoke. Safest lithium tech we have currently I believe.
Maybe, or it was dead. It was a pretty old battery, I bet it was sitting dead for a long time. And when they attempted to charge it, very little energy actually went in. It was probably heavily lithium plated.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Then can you explain how my friend had a battery explode in his car due to a vehicle collision, in the exact same fashion as this video.... because he was using LifePO4 cells for this power bank? He almost died from the impact then the fire started and he was unable to move. You're so certain of things you have no idea about. Just because you *think* something, doesn't make it reality.
@@andrewt9204 Unless it was 100% dead for like, years... it would still have enough thermal capacity with THAT many cells in there to do something. The far more more likely scenario is that they were simply LTO cells. It possibly could be just dead, but I don't think that battery is even old enough to have drained 100%. Most lithium chemistry will stop active discharge at 9v so there's still PLENTY of power left in them for a LONG time.
In Belgium we have Bebat for battery recycling (and lamps). You can find drop off points in every supermarket and DIY store. Taping the terminals is a great tip btw, because you could otherwise cause a short in the drop off box.
Your wife's commentary @2:10 is the best in her very pleasant higher pitched voice "Yeah, it looked very nice!" 😂 You should include more of her voice in your videos since it adds to their appeal and charm.
I think it was completely dependent on the state of charge whether anything happened or not. That's a good rule of thumb, if you're disposing or transporting batteries - always discharge them to empty or close to empty if you don't need them to contain energy for you. Then on the other hand, if you're storing batteries long term, it's good to have them at like 70% so that they don't die on their own. Of course, then they can explode if disturbed so pick the location wisely.
as a hobbyist battery pack maker (powerwalls and such) i can honestly agree . If a lithium ion battery is discharged totally there is no energy left so no explosion or smoke will be created I have personally tested this statement
And we're expected to believe that electric cars are much greener? Imagine putting a car-sized battery under this press. What do they do when the battery runs out after 10 years (which it will)
@@SgtSteel1 There are lithium recycling plants popping up everywhere-they can recycle everything in the battery ,the rare metals in them get more refined the more they are recycled,the batts are rendered inert when put into salt water baths before shredding,
@Chris_1024_ Actually overall shows that batteries should not be crushed, but can be properly disassembled and re-made with only faulty or fully used up ones going back to be cut down to raw materials
Analysing the fumes that come off the batteries would have been interesting also the amount of pressure used before combustion took place, great video really enjoyed it.
The charge state makes a huge difference to the energy released during damage to the batteries..I suspect the e-bike batteries had a very low to zero charge state.
@@Sgt_Bill_T_Co even when discharged, crushing dead batteries can still cause fires due to any leftover chemical potential. Just like how you can just shake a battery and still get a bit of "juice" left, crushing really maximizes your use of every last bit of that chemical potential
Just explain what you mean by 'chemical potential? - either a battery is discharged (look up the definition in terms of a battery) or it has some charge mate.@@stefanyjames1107
0:40 we took the press to our EXPLOSION park....... Thats a life essential : EXPLOSION PARK!!!!! ( dont walk on the grass preventing damage to it ..) 😄😄😄😄🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
I've hardly started watching this video and it already freaks me out. Just three days ago, the car workshop of two friends of mine burnt out due to a lithium-ion battery. Just like any other day, they had left their flashlights to charge overnight, but one of them (not even 6 months old and made by a pretty well known German manufacturer) was obviously damaged and cought fire... now my friends are standing before the ruins of their existence and right now it's unclear what their future will look like. Makes me sick just to think about it.
I'd love to see this done with fully charged LiFePO4 batteries, to see how much safer they are. Supposedly super safe, but I'd love to see this demonstrated!
I've been paranoid for a while as I have an ebike with a 13s5p battery (65x5000mah 21700 cells). The fire would be terrifying. This puts it into perspective.
Luckily the ebike battery housing seemed to be really tough so as long the charcing etc. stuff is good quality they should be quite safe. But how about my Model S Tesla, it has something like 9500 cells :D
Very informative. I’m pretty sure if a zombie battery ever gives me a heart attack, it won’t be from the fumes. It’ll be from the sudden explosion of fire and chemical anger in my face! Great vid as always.
I had heard of how flammable lithium batteries are, but I didn't expect how damned nasty and persistent the fires are. Even that AA cell (first one) was an eye-opener!
I live in Wichita, Kansas in the United States. I can't believe how explosive some of those batteries were. The last one showed the advancement in battery safety technology. Great video, science classrooms all over the world should get this video and show the students how dangerous lithium ion batteries really are.
Actually, the last one or two simply werent charged. They didnt know this before hand. If it was charged it would have been a good show. Even if the cells were the slightly safer lithium iron phosphate chemistry there is enough enegry stored in fully charged cells that they would burn vigrously.
@HydraulicPressChannel, this is an excellent effort. Am still at 3:40 and seems you needed an expert to guide you on the programming content. For starters, batteries can be non explosive based on them chemical makeup e.g. LiPo. This program could be an excellent reference if your team had put the battery chemistry of each cell. Promise you what you guys did is a gold mine.
You did use the word Battery Chemistry at the end. You could do a world of good if you reprogram this to indicated following: 1. Batteries are increasingly being made safer from impact/stress thermal runaway using newer chemistry. 2. The housing unit has huge impact on protecting the battery. For example the last bit on pressing the e-bike battery. We clearly see its one of the best made Samsung unit. 3. Battery are more explosive when fully charged, its the shorting of the two terminals that causes the explosion. And may be others can suggest many more point of observations. Thank you again for this excellent effort.
Hey hydraulic press channel! It would have been interesting to see the voltage of each battery before crushing. Theoretically batteries that are fully charged have more energy and will combust more vigorously! Ride ride ride!
Cool video. Can you make a hydraulic press tool that can turn some of the vertical pressure to twisting the head of it for a grinding motion? Might be cool to see things being crushed AND grinded. Maybe vertical slots that gradually turn on a hardened grinding piece with teeth, and the shaft has beefy pins corresponding do the slots. As the shaft slides into the grinding piece, the pins slide down the slots and turn the grinding piece as its crushing.
Honestly, I feel like this video is a great way of showing and demonstrating that when experts say that you should not do or try things at home, The mean it not to keep you from having fun, but to keep you from potentially hurting or even risking your own life as a whole, by doing what they do. And also why it's always a good idea to have proper legal authorization and safe environments to do such dangerous experiments in. I'm glad you guys were granted the authorization to not only do this but also do it in a place safe enough to where the risks of these batteries, are effectively null with proper safety taken. Additionally with these batteries is that severity of the fire also can stem from if the cell is charged or not. The PRIMARY risk involved with recycling used batteries is that, if improperly disposed of, and not completely discharged of the primary charge, or just entirely discharged to the point the battery is completely dead and no longer functional at all on it's own, it will explode in a fireball. Which varies of course on charge but, is effectively tha battery's charge getting dumped all at once... explosively... Your best bet is to safely discharge them using a dedicated load that can discharge the batteries safely for handling and proper recycling.
Lauri wrote above in a comment: "They were 100% charge, there was built in display that allowed us to pick full ones" So, no. They WERE charged. Why would you automatically think otherwise? The point of the video was to put on a SHOW of what would happen?
The amount of energy in the battery is only barely changed by the electric charge it holds. The chemical energy of the makeup of the battery is much larger than the chemical energy produced by the charge. Discharging the battery will mean that shorting out the terminals of the battery (or inside the battery) will not produce the same current flow and that means less heat (or sparks) produced so a fire is less likely to start. So a very discharged battery is safer. But if a fire does start up the cells will still catch fire and it the fire is likely to spread from cell to cell.
@@stevebollinger3463 I would not say barely. I looked it up, compared to gun power. gunpowder -> 3 MJ/kg. A Lithium battery -> 1 MJ/kg. Gunpowder is not the highest density explosive, but it has served us well for centuries when we needed a big kaboom.
@@stevebollinger3463 when dealing with destructive physical forces on LiIon, the charge matters a lot. The runaway reaction _requires_ the components to be in their correct ionic states in combination with the heat produced from electrical current between the capacitive layers for the reaction to occur rapidly enough to get the reinforcing feedback.
The last battery was a lithium iron phosphate battery, so it used slightly different chemistry than the rest of them. LiFePO4 batteries fail much much more safely than regular lithium batteries(though they can still ignite) at the cost of being a bit lower capacity. They're great for stuff like electric cars for this reason, because lithium vehicle fires are really hard to deal with and can burn for hours once they go off, so reducing the chances of a fire helps a lot.
Very impressive. Especially all the 18650's in the crucible. The last one won't explode because it was also just a bunch of individual cells. Awesome vid as always. mann oh man can lipos burn. Respect for all the safety equipment and warnings. heh
Whoa. Even though I knew it was coming at 1:32 I still jumped and flinched a bit. That was way more violent then I expected for such a small battery. Respect learned.
Nothing like a highly reactive metal being caught on fire. To add to the fun, NileRed has a video on turning batteries into medicine. He extracts Lithium metal from batteries.
I love your Finnish accent. My Grandparents and Parents have passed away and I miss all things Finnish. Now I feel like I need to buy a hydraulic press for fun!...or go back to Finland. Hyvaa Paivaa. Puhakan Timo.
I thought you were being weenies when you decided to film outside at the range with fire protection….then watched…wow! Great demonstration of the power in these cells and how dangerous.
Big thanks to everybody that are part of the Zombie battery campaign for making this video possible! I have been wanting to do this for many years but I haven't had resources to do this in a safe and responsible way (are any of my videos safe and responsible?) but now it's done and it was worth of all the effort. And great that we were also able to deliver some important information with the entertainment!
I'm sure you may know this but you will only get a fire/explosion if the battery is at or near a fully charged state. I had hoped you might say something about not sending batteries for disposal if they had been recently charged.
Not charged = no explosed... Que de la perte
"Minimize the risk of nothing happening". Brilliant line.
I have a new respect for lion
it is extremely dangerous, so we have to deal with it
Last one is Lithium-Iron-Phosphate, which is a MUCH MUCH safer chemistry (unfortunately less capacity). The lack of fire in the last test proves how much better LFP batteries are for vehicle safety.
And it may be there was no charge left in it...
Agree, and not to mention for home energy storage 😅
@@Sgt_Bill_T_Co They were 100% charge, there was built in display that allowed us to pick full ones
As Lauri said "this is the really boring battery chemistry".
Probably better to stick to ICE no matter how safe the chemistry of LFP is 😊
"To minimize the risk of nothing happening"
Now THAT'S the spirit! 😂
The firedepartment guy said that those drone back type of batteries are super safe. So I had to do hold my beer type of thing there to better the odds :D
@@HydraulicPressChannel If you gonna do press more batteries, get some lipo batteries that are used for FPV drones. Those things are not safe at all.
@@_Dimon_ And rc car batteries too. I once decided to smash an old one and it caught on fire
@@jackieglade right, forgot about them. Yeah, the same exact chemistry, but bigger, so even more boom when pressed.
@@_Dimon_ Yea, ebike bats have much MUCH less current than these
TH-cam algorithm.. please do your thing. This video is actually quite important and what an excellent demonstration of what improper disposal of lithium-based batteries can lead to. This video MUST have hundreds of millions of views. This is required viewing for the world seriously. Aside from it being incredibly educational and funny, it’s also important.
How is polluting the environment funny?? One can find plenty of videos showing the dangers of this type of battery. I shudder to think how youtube has inspired the destruction of things for entertainment value in pursuit of views.
Good video for increasing awareness. While I know about the dangers of lithium batteries I honestly didn't expect such a huge energy release from the first example.
some of the bigger BEV's can have as many as 8000 of these battery cells and it only takes one to malfunction like in the press and all the rest will follow it. The press crushed it but that is not what started the fire. the cell needs to overheat which will cause the chemical reaction that you saw so it was the short circuit that was necessary.
I'm starting to have second thoughts if it's safe to charge and store my EUC in the hallway. Maybe balcony would be safer, but there is now 0 degrees and sometimes even -20C and I don't know if it's too cold for charging.
now i know why EV fires are so horrilbe.
The primary hazard with lithium cells isn't the lithium itself, as it is diffused through the electrodes. It's the energy that they store being released suddenly. So for the best bang and flames they have to be fully charged. Fully discharged cells are fairly safe.
We had all cells expect the failed drone battery charged full to get best mayhem. I didn't know why it makes difference just know that it helps :D So thanks for the explanation behind the difference.
Lithium ion and metallic lithium reacts pretty differently too.
And now imagine you have even more energy dense batteries. Higher density = less needed = lighter cars = much bigger boom & deadly for the occupants
Would have been good to have a/b testing of identical batteries full Vs discharged. One for ProjectFarm?😂 More seriously there's a message here to fully discharge batteries irrespective of how 'responsibly' you dispose of them.
What's inside lithium batteries?
Fire, apparently
I am surprised how the little 18650 cell exploded and flamed up with such fury! Certainly an eye opener since I use and abuse power tools in confined spaces, my pre-work checklist now has another safety critical element. Thanks for helping raise awareness of how dangerous every day items can be if damaged.
Seriously! I know they're lithium batteries so I need to take them seriously, but they look and feel just like a AA so I treat them with just as much abandon.
@@GuyNamedSean AA batteries are just as dangerous if you are not careful with them. Afterall, they are energy sources, which is a big red flag for safety concerns.
The first one exploded so violently so early probably because the hydraulic press connects the anode with the cathode in a low resistance short circuit.
Fully charged battery vs a discharged battery makes a big difference.
@@MeriaDuck If you keep one with unprotected terminals in a pocket or bag with keys or metal tools that could easily happen too.
You know it’s gonna be good when the show starts outside
We have dynamite coming next week!
@@HydraulicPressChannel🥳🥳💥💥🥳🥳
Gotta love a nice boom
@@HydraulicPressChannel you had me at "our explosion park"
Lauri taking good advice:
"Don't try this at home"
@@HydraulicPressChannel all battires caught fire like flamethrower
I have been using lithium batteries and battery packs/sticks for industrial and personal applications for years. These batteries seem resilient when we use them, but become dangerous without continuing analysis and care.
Batteries should be respected more than the devices we use them for, no exceptions, no matter the battery chemistry. They will be angry with you if you mistreat them, and they can destroy everything you own!
Thank you for this wonderful safety statement! Entertaining as always!
OH WOW!!! that first one went from zero to fire SO FAST!! This vid taught me so much about the dangers of damaged Lithium Ion Batteries!
I love how you’ve been incorporating informative content into crushing things lately, amazing as always!
A combo of info and entertainment is a good way to get things out to people in an enjoyable and nice way that doesn't bore the viewer
Makes the video longer but the 10 second skip feature is pretty dope. Got a busy day just wanna see crushed stuff catch fire 🔥 😫 😆
Obviously we're usually here because it's fun to watch things get destroyed but this is really a great way to illustrate the destructive risks that come from poor battery disposal that we just don't consider! Great job making us learn something!
I'm here, to understand what to expect and design for, incase my EV gets shot by cops, and other degenerates like them.
@@observingrogue7652 or in a hard wreck could also happen and they take way more water to put out so beaware
@@manga12
The original Energica Ego electric motorcycle. Part of the reason why it was so heavy, is because the battery pack heavily reinforced & armored. I don't how Energica is building them now, but for accidents, and attacks, I have to consider doing the same.
I'm already into offroader vehicles, that are already tough, just to survive offroad. Like rock crawling Jeeps with skidplates, rollcages, and truck-bed-liner paint. And Dirtbikes, Dualsports, and some Adventure motorcycles. It's so normal for them to fall or crash, because of tree-roots & rocks, there is high chance you can just pick them up, and keep riding.
Even if you break something, it is a cheap fix or replacement. Meanwhile, sport bikes, especially luxury ones like Ducati, the Ferrari of the bike world. If one of those falls over, that's hundreds or more dollars in repairs.
So, I'm used to offroad vehicles being heavier. But for e-bikes & e-motorcycles, I just have to settle on a balance between added weight in armor, and how else to protect the batteries.
Prity idiotic
They're so inherently dangerous just by existing that a healthy firefighter with a heavy steel wrecker bar only needed several minutes of effort to make som of them combust!!!
Yeah, I know, and I'm not attacking you TopherRocks. Just very tired of the anti-EV whackos here in the US blaming the batteries for everything from diesel fires to falling educational standards to the way the moon winked at them when they were on the toilet last night.
Holy crap I'll absolutely be more careful with battery disposal from now on. Cheers!
Yeah. This video ought to be required viewing for *anyone* who uses lithium batteries. Especially the section around 5:00 into the video.
I think the government has dropped the ball here in the US. There is no standardized way to dispose of batteries. Some states have figured it out, but not all
@@groaningmole4338that's everyone, because everyone uses at least one, except Amish maybe
@@chiefdenis Amish aren't supposed to but there was a recent news article about a few with secret phones shunned by the community when an emergency message system test outed them around company. One was being interviewed by elders about breaking some rules, BZZZZBZZZBZZZ.
I know it is serious for them in the community but they don't set people on fire any more so far as I know so it is a bit funny.
@@johncarlaw8633 lol, that is funny, I've heard there are factions of amish who allow the use of some technology, kinda like vegans to vegetarians, don't know how true that is though
Thank God you are self aware that crushing Lithium batteries is stupid to do. Seeing what goes on here has COMPLETELY turned me off ever buying an electric car. You have saved my life and for that I thank you.
And remember those batteries that did not explode was most likely only because they were completely dead and discharged.
The batteries that exploded and caught fire were those using older lithium technology, which used nickel and cobalt. You can learn about electric car batteries using LFP, and search for the keyword nail test LFP. you will be surprised.
@@tony2m233 electric cars dont use lfp
Awesome video that makes us aware of how dangerous these batteries are. Some days ago an Electric scooter exploded in Madrid underground. The place, the access doors were completely destroyed. No one was seriously injured, but the chief board of Madrid city transports have just decided to Ban all electrified personal mobility devices in Madrid public transport
2:34 "To minimise risk of nothing happening..." Brilliant!! Love your work.
Excellent balance between entertainment and education. Keep up the great work 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Those power tool batteries being crushed was a lot more violent than I was expecting
Possibly because they're designed to be "high dump" (high current delivery)?
I was working in battery recykling warehause and we had little fires every day u know when u smell this odor your hed starts spinning instatntly
@@ne0395 that's nasty
@@dielaughing73 Probably. Its actually amazing how rare fires are compared to how common they are. Just don't crush them in the trash or a hydaulic press I guess!
@@ne0395 You should have been wearing breathing protection! What was your employer playing at? Obviously they did not care about their people.
That was an incredibly educational video!! Well done showing the dangers of tossing this stuff in the general trash. I didn’t realize how dangerous these cells were. Thanks!!
Just a tip, use tape to cover the poles of the battery so you don't risk it catching fire because of short circuiting when the batteries touch one another.
Discharge them before disposing
Wow the first small cell was a real eye opener! Two or three of those in your hip pocket could seriously spoil your day!
As much fun as you guys have this shows how serious and how quickly a problem can occur. Thanks Lauri!
He said it best with, "there's a lot of fire and anger inside".
I've known about this for years. That's why I always carry around with me a lithium battery and a hydraulic press in case I'm ever in a survival situation and need to make fire. 🧠
If a electric tool box get dropped during freight from manufacturing to seller and damaged , the procedure is to
Scrap the batterys in it .
So you just need to drop your
Tool or battery hard into the ground or other hard surface from some hight/at some velocity, and you have fun
Lottery battery with potential for fireworks. No hydraulic press needed.
@@perstaffanlundgren Your method sounds too laborious. Did you see in the video how quick and easy it was? I'll stick with my way.
@@fagan4119just get a high amp 18650 or 21700 and short it(aka touch the positive and negative with a conductor). The thing will instantly combust and probably harm you if you're too close
@@stompingpeak2043 I suppose you could go that route but what fun would that be? If I'm in a survival situation i want to at least be entertained because it can be quite boring.
Humorous people like you are the reason I get to comments section!
"Minimize the risk of nothing happening" is just brilliant. 😁
Like back in the 70s when a news crew minimize the risk with explosives in the pinto gas tank. :)
The outcomes will be very different if you crush a fully charged vs. a completely discharged battery. The "full" battery is likely to explode. The "empty" battery is more likely to just smolder.
One of the very few TH-cam thumbnails that wasn't exaggerated!! Bravo!!
Educational and fun. Hope none of your equipment was damaged beyond what you might have expected. Thank you very much.
When he said "Even I didn't want to do this at home." I just lost it. I love this channel.
My cousin works for the sanitation dept and someone threw a vacuum in a garbage bag. When they crushed it in the truck it lit up.
Thanks for sharing this, this exactly the thing that we want to avoid with the zombie battery campaign
Most people don't realize there are lithium batteries in things and just chuck em. We need better education on that stuff, of big warnings on appliances that you cannot throw them away. Another good reason all batteries should be removable with plenty of easy access drop off locations.
@@andrewt9204 Yup. This happened my cousin's first day on the job. Thank god it worked out.
@@animeboy93I also work for a garbage company and at least once a year a truck gets burned up from load fires
@@leahcimthgirw3163 That sucks man. Hope everyone stays safe
Your accomplice was very pleased with the first battery test and an indication of the promising results to come.
I watch this channel all the time.
This video was a very informative one. Definitely shows the importance of not throwing batteries in garbage
Recycle is mostly a lie, they toss too.
Thanks for doing this, I'm in NYC and we've had so many horrible and deadly fires because of cheap Lithium Ion batteries, I'm sharing this with a lot of people to help with awareness
Also, keep in mind that Lithium is recycled at almost 90%, it's a limited but highly recyclable material.
Most of the time it's because of missing or cheap or bad Battery management systems. They should prevent from most mistakes.
That's why I switched to Einhell tool battery packs for my ebike. Cheap and very good quality
Where have you read that lithium is so recyclable?
As far as I know it really isn't.
@@vendomnu
(me)To what extent is the lithium in batteries recyclable
(bard) The lithium in batteries is highly recyclable. In fact, up to 95% of the lithium in lithium-ion batteries can be recycled.
By using bard as source I can not be accused of looking within the pro EV bubble. Partly recycled cells are known as black mass is now being listed as a commodity in several markets.
A few months ago gas and oil seems to have spent a fair bit of money to get the word out that batteries are not recyclable. Which is false. In a relatively short time the net went from recycling gearing up to recycling not going to happen. Yeah not scientific just my observation. Take it for what it is worth.
@@danharold3087 Even if the cells are 100% recyclable. How are you going to do that ? I'm sure you know there is no "wonderbox" where you put in the old battery and a "new" one comes out. What do you need to recycle ? The only thing I can think of is "they" want lots of people to be poor (happy) and unable to transport, so "they" can be rich (unhappy) and do whatever they want. So "they" will tell you anything you want to hear. And because young folks love to talk about the environment, green, safe, recycling, that is want we are hearing right now. Just my observation from an old fart, take it for what it's worth. You'll figure it out autoamtically when you become the old fart and the young folks don't listen.
The cost of recycling these EV batteries is uneconomic because they are not engineered to be recycled. It's mostly hype when the say they can recycle because most of the metals like cadmium etc is not worth the effort. Lithium can be removed but again it often is again not worth the effort and costs.
1:10
"So don't try this, or anything like this at home, this is stupid."
THAT'S THE SPIRIT!!!
Honestly impressed how well the dgi battery handled being crushed.
In Germany all electronics retailers with a sales floor larger than 100m² have to accept electronic waste for disposal, including batteries. If, like me, you don't have a car to bring your electronics to a waste management facility, that's a good place to get rid of it, too.
i wonder if it was doscharged
@@JogBird Nope, "They were 100% charge, there was built in display that allowed us to pick full ones" HPC replied to a similar comment.
@@Thoran666 I think he meant so say "Deutsch-chaged"
Does a destroyed electric car count as e-waste? Imagine the people at Mediamarkt when someone rolls up with a flatbed carrying a bunch of wrecked Teslas :D
@@adriankoch964 would be funny, but unfortunately there are size limitations. It has to be smaller than a normal washing machine. Most retailers will take back items of that size anyway, but they're not legally required, so it might be a good idea to call ahead and check
Now THIS is how to do a PSA. I'm glad you were able to do it safely thanks to the collaboration of Recser.
Your wife is so funny in your videos. Her laughter is 1 of the reasons why I love your videos 😂👍
I addition, you should turn lithium batteries in because the spent batteries are highly recyclable. The recycling chain will eventually become a very important part of the life cycle for making new batteries.
They're provably not very recyclable, it's almost unpractical to extract the pure metal back despite the advertisement.
@@JeffreyBenzodiazepines they are about 90-98 percent recyclable depending on process, but the problem is achieving scale to make the operation profitable. There are not really enough spent batteries in the pipeline for scale. There is a plant in my area that’s having a go at it.
@@lsh3rd EVs will eventually flood the industry with used batteries to reclaim?
@@soundspark correct.
@@lsh3rdThe metal shells are easily recycled but the actual electrolyte is extremely cost prohibitive and no company that does the recycling process will actually say who is doing it so it's likely just like plastics ... it's given to China and they just dump it.
I was a LITTLE worried ... till you started going into all the safety precautions and warnings ... LiPo is NO JOKE! Thank you for showing how serious people need to treat these amazing lil bundles of energy.
I didn't expect that such small batteries can cause such a dangerous fire. But the two accu packs for wireless tools really shocked me. Everyone should handle these packs with much more respect and definitely no one should dump them in household trash. Thanks for showing to us 👍
The last one didn't catch on fire because it was discharged, and thus had no chemical potential energy stored in it. FULLY discharged batteries pose no fire hazard.
That fire around the press piston at 5:40 looks so epic it could be your new profile picture!
Wow. I was about to do some of these experiments at home. But you did all of the work for me! I LOVE YOU!
I'm impressed by that last one. I genuinely expected it to go off like a bomb.
I think there are batteries that size that could explode like a bomb. I think these ones were lithium iron phosphate which don't really explode. Either that, or the batteries were so old that they would appear to have a full charge but no balls behind it. Notice how there are holes drilled in the press when they are crushing batteries in the enclosed crucible? Imagine the bomb that would be if those holes weren't there!
Very nice demonstration why you should not, under any circumstances, throw batteries in any kind of bin than an special battery bin. Well done.
The engineer who designed the last battery pack deserves salary rise. You crushed entire pack and it didn't explode.
The battery was probably discharged and had no energy to release and/or it could have been nickel metal hydride batteries which don't brust into flames like lithium cells.
Thats when they are not in use anymore. Have you think a littlebit case they damage by themselves for example during recharging? Have a tought to where you actually recharge them? This is applying also cellphone. Typically it is right next to your bed on night table at night. Will you wake up when it flashes?
Great video, it is very easy to underestimate the damage these batteries can do. I would not have expected such a huge fire.
I love how even the tiny batteries are dangerous. Those little beasties go BOOM
This is awesome, and thank you for showing the public the horrible things that can happen to poor waste disposal workers if someone can't be bothered to dispose of their batteries at a recycling point. This also neatly shows why entire shipments of electric cars catch fire and everyone has to abandon ship when one slightly badly put-together one shorts out and explodes...
there was a case of a home made electric car catching fire on a ferry while charging. One of the ships supposedly burned by electric cars was salvaged only to find ALL of the electric cars were un burnt on a separate deck..A whole parking garage at an airport was burned down when a gas powered range rover caught fire.Very little coverage of that fire! another ship supposedly destroyed by an electric car sank and no real investigation was ever done. Many of the so called electric cars that have burned in china were actually gas electric hybrids.
THATS YOUR TESLA IN A CRASH
Did you even watch the whole video?
8:00 listen
@user-or4hs7xq9u did you hear about the conventionnally powered car that went up in a fireball?
@@sportsfreak33393 Yes, occupants got out after seeing smoke.
@@CawKee source for proof as I have not read this...
As if the "crash" itself doesn't traumatic ENOUGH
Great Video. I appreciate you taking the time to share the dangers of batteries. Thanks from Michigan.
That last battery must have been using LTO cells, since they don't explode or even catch on fire... just a little puff of smoke. Safest lithium tech we have currently I believe.
all batteries are safe, this forced never occur in reality, not even in a car crash.
Maybe, or it was dead. It was a pretty old battery, I bet it was sitting dead for a long time. And when they attempted to charge it, very little energy actually went in. It was probably heavily lithium plated.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlmany tash trucks use compactors, garbage truck fires are a pretty common occurrence due to this
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl Then can you explain how my friend had a battery explode in his car due to a vehicle collision, in the exact same fashion as this video.... because he was using LifePO4 cells for this power bank? He almost died from the impact then the fire started and he was unable to move.
You're so certain of things you have no idea about. Just because you *think* something, doesn't make it reality.
@@andrewt9204 Unless it was 100% dead for like, years... it would still have enough thermal capacity with THAT many cells in there to do something. The far more more likely scenario is that they were simply LTO cells. It possibly could be just dead, but I don't think that battery is even old enough to have drained 100%. Most lithium chemistry will stop active discharge at 9v so there's still PLENTY of power left in them for a LONG time.
It really puts into perspective just how much energy is stored in those cells
There is a lot of graphite and electrolyte in a battery that can burn. It's not energy you can get out from discharging the battery.
What about new electric vehicles?
In Belgium we have Bebat for battery recycling (and lamps). You can find drop off points in every supermarket and DIY store. Taping the terminals is a great tip btw, because you could otherwise cause a short in the drop off box.
Your wife's commentary @2:10 is the best in her very pleasant higher pitched voice "Yeah, it looked very nice!" 😂 You should include more of her voice in your videos since it adds to their appeal and charm.
Great educational video on safty handling of old unused batteries.
I think it was completely dependent on the state of charge whether anything happened or not. That's a good rule of thumb, if you're disposing or transporting batteries - always discharge them to empty or close to empty if you don't need them to contain energy for you.
Then on the other hand, if you're storing batteries long term, it's good to have them at like 70% so that they don't die on their own. Of course, then they can explode if disturbed so pick the location wisely.
actually it's more to do with the chemistry. the ones that didn't explode are are most likely Lithium Iron (LiFe) batteries.
as a hobbyist battery pack maker (powerwalls and such) i can honestly agree . If a lithium ion battery is discharged totally there is no energy left so no explosion or smoke will be created
I have personally tested this statement
And we're expected to believe that electric cars are much greener? Imagine putting a car-sized battery under this press. What do they do when the battery runs out after 10 years (which it will)
@@SgtSteel1 There are lithium recycling plants popping up everywhere-they can recycle everything in the battery ,the rare metals in them get more refined the more they are recycled,the batts are rendered inert when put into salt water baths before shredding,
@@Amatronix999 It's not sustainable. You can't recycle 100%.
You're just replacing one non-renewable with another.
Congrats!
That final battery is well designed.
Also, this felt like a beyond the press episode. Even Henri makes an appearance.
I actually think the final batteries just didn't have any charge.
@Chris_1024_& they are usually also a lot more expensive, but if you can afford them, use those instead.
@@nzalog It was fully charge
@Chris_1024_ Actually overall shows that batteries should not be crushed, but can be properly disassembled and re-made with only faulty or fully used up ones going back to be cut down to raw materials
Every battery manufacturer should make LiFePo batteries.
Thanks for the excellent video, I clearly haven't been taking battery recycling nearly seriously enough :O
Electric cat went up right by my house a few years ago, every few minutes you'd heat, pop, pop, another cell detonating, just like popcorn
Analysing the fumes that come off the batteries would have been interesting also the amount of pressure used before combustion took place, great video really enjoyed it.
Awesome. A excellent showing of how really dangerous these batteries are.
The charge state makes a huge difference to the energy released during damage to the batteries..I suspect the e-bike batteries had a very low to zero charge state.
Drone battery was broken but all others were full to maximize the mayhem
I was surprised this was not clearly mentioned, along with something like 'make sure they are discharged before disposal.
@@Sgt_Bill_T_Co even when discharged, crushing dead batteries can still cause fires due to any leftover chemical potential. Just like how you can just shake a battery and still get a bit of "juice" left, crushing really maximizes your use of every last bit of that chemical potential
Just explain what you mean by 'chemical potential? - either a battery is discharged (look up the definition in terms of a battery) or it has some charge mate.@@stefanyjames1107
@@stefanyjames1107you can shake batteries....??
Didn't expect the small drill ones to explode so much😳👍
Is the fire being caused by the mechanical crushing, or does the press short circuit the battery when it touches the electrode?
0:40 we took the press to our EXPLOSION park.......
Thats a life essential : EXPLOSION PARK!!!!! ( dont walk on the grass preventing damage to it ..)
😄😄😄😄🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍👍
I've hardly started watching this video and it already freaks me out. Just three days ago, the car workshop of two friends of mine burnt out due to a lithium-ion battery. Just like any other day, they had left their flashlights to charge overnight, but one of them (not even 6 months old and made by a pretty well known German manufacturer) was obviously damaged and cought fire... now my friends are standing before the ruins of their existence and right now it's unclear what their future will look like. Makes me sick just to think about it.
I'd love to see this done with fully charged LiFePO4 batteries, to see how much safer they are.
Supposedly super safe, but I'd love to see this demonstrated!
I believe that is what you saw in the end.,
@@squidcaps4308 Indeed it was! 😎
@@squidcaps4308Those were 8+ year old batteries so they were at the end of their life cycle so maybe had 25% max charge.
@@squidcaps4308 Oh cool! Cheers
Much safer is Lithium-titanate battery.
I've been paranoid for a while as I have an ebike with a 13s5p battery (65x5000mah 21700 cells). The fire would be terrifying. This puts it into perspective.
Luckily the ebike battery housing seemed to be really tough so as long the charcing etc. stuff is good quality they should be quite safe. But how about my Model S Tesla, it has something like 9500 cells :D
the two best channels coming out of Finland... This one and "Tykylevits"
Very informative. I’m pretty sure if a zombie battery ever gives me a heart attack, it won’t be from the fumes. It’ll be from the sudden explosion of fire and chemical anger in my face! Great vid as always.
Discharged batteries don't do anything, they have no energy
I have about 10 of those large hilti batteries in my truck bin, fully charged, at all times. Kinda crazy how powerful those are
Me too, only we use mostly Dewalt.
I had heard of how flammable lithium batteries are, but I didn't expect how damned nasty and persistent the fires are. Even that AA cell (first one) was an eye-opener!
18650 not aa
I live in Wichita, Kansas in the United States. I can't believe how explosive some of those batteries were. The last one showed the advancement in battery safety technology. Great video, science classrooms all over the world should get this video and show the students how dangerous lithium ion batteries really are.
Actually, the last one or two simply werent charged. They didnt know this before hand. If it was charged it would have been a good show. Even if the cells were the slightly safer lithium iron phosphate chemistry there is enough enegry stored in fully charged cells that they would burn vigrously.
Американцы вообще мало во что верят потамучто тупые)😁
Possibly the best ever HPC video!
@HydraulicPressChannel, this is an excellent effort. Am still at 3:40 and seems you needed an expert to guide you on the programming content. For starters, batteries can be non explosive based on them chemical makeup e.g. LiPo. This program could be an excellent reference if your team had put the battery chemistry of each cell. Promise you what you guys did is a gold mine.
You did use the word Battery Chemistry at the end. You could do a world of good if you reprogram this to indicated following:
1. Batteries are increasingly being made safer from impact/stress thermal runaway using newer chemistry.
2. The housing unit has huge impact on protecting the battery. For example the last bit on pressing the e-bike battery. We clearly see its one of the best made Samsung unit.
3. Battery are more explosive when fully charged, its the shorting of the two terminals that causes the explosion.
And may be others can suggest many more point of observations. Thank you again for this excellent effort.
Hey hydraulic press channel! It would have been interesting to see the voltage of each battery before crushing. Theoretically batteries that are fully charged have more energy and will combust more vigorously! Ride ride ride!
Drone battery was broken but all others were full to maximize the mayhem
These results are shocking!
Cool video. Can you make a hydraulic press tool that can turn some of the vertical pressure to twisting the head of it for a grinding motion? Might be cool to see things being crushed AND grinded. Maybe vertical slots that gradually turn on a hardened grinding piece with teeth, and the shaft has beefy pins corresponding do the slots. As the shaft slides into the grinding piece, the pins slide down the slots and turn the grinding piece as its crushing.
'Cool' video? Really? Anything but I would have thought. ;o)
Really good that you made this video. Finland is the coolest even the fire department comes out to teach in TH-cam videos.
Honestly, I feel like this video is a great way of showing and demonstrating that when experts say that you should not do or try things at home, The mean it not to keep you from having fun, but to keep you from potentially hurting or even risking your own life as a whole, by doing what they do. And also why it's always a good idea to have proper legal authorization and safe environments to do such dangerous experiments in. I'm glad you guys were granted the authorization to not only do this but also do it in a place safe enough to where the risks of these batteries, are effectively null with proper safety taken.
Additionally with these batteries is that severity of the fire also can stem from if the cell is charged or not. The PRIMARY risk involved with recycling used batteries is that, if improperly disposed of, and not completely discharged of the primary charge, or just entirely discharged to the point the battery is completely dead and no longer functional at all on it's own, it will explode in a fireball. Which varies of course on charge but, is effectively tha battery's charge getting dumped all at once... explosively... Your best bet is to safely discharge them using a dedicated load that can discharge the batteries safely for handling and proper recycling.
I wish I had an explosion park. ❤
Explosion park is great thing to have :D
Good for chili-cookouts
Remember, how much fire you get also depends on how much charge is in the battery. It looks like the last ones were pretty much completely discharged.
Lauri wrote above in a comment: "They were 100% charge, there was built in display that allowed us to pick full ones"
So, no. They WERE charged. Why would you automatically think otherwise? The point of the video was to put on a SHOW of what would happen?
The amount of energy in the battery is only barely changed by the electric charge it holds. The chemical energy of the makeup of the battery is much larger than the chemical energy produced by the charge.
Discharging the battery will mean that shorting out the terminals of the battery (or inside the battery) will not produce the same current flow and that means less heat (or sparks) produced so a fire is less likely to start. So a very discharged battery is safer. But if a fire does start up the cells will still catch fire and it the fire is likely to spread from cell to cell.
@@stevebollinger3463 I would not say barely. I looked it up, compared to gun power. gunpowder -> 3 MJ/kg. A Lithium battery -> 1 MJ/kg. Gunpowder is not the highest density explosive, but it has served us well for centuries when we needed a big kaboom.
@@stevebollinger3463 when dealing with destructive physical forces on LiIon, the charge matters a lot. The runaway reaction _requires_ the components to be in their correct ionic states in combination with the heat produced from electrical current between the capacitive layers for the reaction to occur rapidly enough to get the reinforcing feedback.
The last battery was a lithium iron phosphate battery, so it used slightly different chemistry than the rest of them. LiFePO4 batteries fail much much more safely than regular lithium batteries(though they can still ignite) at the cost of being a bit lower capacity. They're great for stuff like electric cars for this reason, because lithium vehicle fires are really hard to deal with and can burn for hours once they go off, so reducing the chances of a fire helps a lot.
Very impressive. Especially all the 18650's in the crucible. The last one won't explode because it was also just a bunch of individual cells.
Awesome vid as always. mann oh man can lipos burn. Respect for all the safety equipment and warnings. heh
Whoa. Even though I knew it was coming at 1:32 I still jumped and flinched a bit. That was way more violent then I expected for such a small battery. Respect learned.
I currently own a take-home hilti drill so seeing you explode one of those batteries gives me such a goofy big grin! 😄
I love it! So much fire!
Am I correct in saying that they only explode if theyre shorted? Cuz it seems like when the circuit gets interrupted; theyre just mushy metal.
Nothing like a highly reactive metal being caught on fire. To add to the fun, NileRed has a video on turning batteries into medicine. He extracts Lithium metal from batteries.
Really glad you didn't do it at home aren't you ?! ;)
Thank you for helping to demonstrate how problematic batteries can be in waste handling 👍
I love your Finnish accent. My Grandparents and Parents have passed away and I miss all things Finnish. Now I feel like I need to buy a hydraulic press for fun!...or go back to Finland. Hyvaa Paivaa.
Puhakan Timo.
You had me at ' Explosion Park '. Go on kids, go out and play, you little terrors. Be safe now, no messing about in that explosion park.
Hosts after last battery pack fails to explode: "My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined."
One of the coolest episodes yet
Basically, they're all the same battery lol. But super awesome. The drill packs were the best. great video
WOW! That last crush was the best. Love how those cells came squeezing out and nothing happening.
Wow, i haven't seen this channel in years, and I'm surprised how the production budget has increased during that time.
I thought you were being weenies when you decided to film outside at the range with fire protection….then watched…wow! Great demonstration of the power in these cells and how dangerous.
"Minimise the chance of nothing happening." That's the kind of talk that gets you subscriptions.
when you set that multiple single cell pressout the flameup looked like it was hot enough to melt the hydraulic lines on the press cylynder
WOW, you put a lot of effort to make this video! Amazing! Thanks for all your videos
I love how you and your wife together do these things!
I love her laugh, she is so tickled by the destructive force.