Ben Gillies & Chris Joannou
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2023
- We’ve got ourselves a reader!
Yep, for the first time on Introducing - we’re talking books!
Ben Gillies & Chris Joannou chat to Tim about ‘Love & Pain’… the epic times and crooked lines of life inside and out of Silverchair.
The boys have been all over the news lately, finally able to tell the story of Australia’s most awarded musical act from their perspective.
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Diorama is a masterpiece.❤ Every album a work of art, with every instrument played by born musicians.
@tracidouglas2529 THANK YOU!! MY DAD (r.i.p.) LARRY MUHOBERAC did half the orchestration on that album, I have the huge platinum record thing on my studio wall as a reminder of his brilliance and how well ALL the guys from Silverchair did on that one. "After All These Years" was dad's funeral song.
You're correct in one way. My dad Larry Muhoberac (yes, he was Elvis' pianist/orchestrator/etc too) did orchestration on "Greatest View, Luv Your Life, After All These Years, World Upon Your Shoulders", hired all the orchestra (even when it was Van Dyke Parks (also legend) arrangement), but DANIEL is the only true musician here. The two other guys are good, don't get me wrong. It's just that Daniel is just so far ahead of EVERYONE, it could be ANY 2 other guys, as there isn't any character there.
@@Parrish_Muhoberac i agree with you about Daniel, as a musician myself, the other two aren't in the same universe. But thats just how it is. You must be very proud of your father, i see youve brought him up quite a bit in the comments.
Same said as every other interview. Let’s skirt around the issue. These guys wouldn’t be known without Daniel. 👋🏼
Having listened to Daniel's podcast and having read 'Love and Pain', it's pretty clear what the problem is. Dan and Ben can't put their egos aside to have that 'clear the air' chat they're in dire need of for closure's sake, while Chris, who's probably had the toughest slog of the three in the past decade, is simply just wanting peace for everyone's sake.
Absolutely this! I also think they really downplayed the mental issues Daniel had while being the frontman. Watching old interviews is painfully uncomfortable; it’s clear Daniel hated it while the other two barely ever talked.
@Bolter Hey, I wouldn't want to say this more than once, and only because everyone knows how much work my late father Larry has done for Daniel. And loved every minute. So I am just going to say this once. I am tired of what the "other 2 guys" say. YES. as a developing band, they were so surprising. Chris and Ben ran out of money and thought, "Oh, here's a great way to make money again, seeing as we weren't very good musicians in the first place.", whereas Daniel is an EXCEPTIONAL musician. I'm telling everyone first hand amd once only. that is EXACTLY HOW IT HAPPENED.
@user-bh7ex6dm8m Hey there...stop. I can tell you, without politics or guessing, because of my father Larry Muhoberac working on multiple albums, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE saying. Seriously, I can say that none of this media crap is actually true, and never has been. Everyone has turned it into a forgotten JUDGE JUDY episode.
Dan has zero ego. His passion has always been about creating music. And that’s it. Other members were about the fame and the performing and attention that came with that.
I don’t know how you came to that conclusion after both the book and the podcast. Dan just seemed more insufferable after the podcast
American here who LOVES THIS BAND since childhood! ❤ so glad to see these two tell their story and they have every right to! ❤
I have many stories but not on a personal level. I support all these guys equally because my dad has been doing orchestral stuff and piano for David Helfgott on "Emotion Sickness" and until he couldn't work anymore. He did some beautiful orchestration on both Diorama and Neon Ballroom. I loved working on that with him. R.I.P Larry Muhoberac who thought these three were just the most awesome people to be a part of with.,
Thank you for a great interview Tim. I wish you the best with this podcast. Good to see more support for Australian musicians. Looking forward to the next one :)
there’s clearly still a grudge being held. why? because daniel decided to quit silverchair for the sake of his health? He stated in multiple interviews that if he continued on that path he would’ve no longer been on this earth..
And I completely believe that is true. Crazy how people can't get that.
That is true, I believe it as well, and that is pretty important to remember. It's a complex situation.
Touring on Friday and Saturday and math class and homework on Monday. It’s bananas now looking back. These guys are great individuals. ❤
They respected there parents they could have easily quit ! rock n roll stars don't need to go to school lol
Its so frustrating that one person literally has to scream 😱 again and again that an experience by large, traumatised then and took their childhood. Its hard to make people understand what heightened anxiety and Disociative Disorder feels like if uou have not been there. You dont wanna revisit it. Its stomach churning, nauseating, clostrophobic, inward seeking imtroversion of yourself. You sont want to see people or be seen, performing makes you feel physically sick, whole body reaction. So let it be. Dans wished Ben happy birthday recently on Instagram. Others on the thread are saying Dan wasnt sent the book, he asked for it. None of us need Silverchair to reform. Im grateful for the music. Why always more when is enough? Great to listen to these guys they are all, true Auzzy blokes who are doing well enough and we just need to let them live and respect the gift of music that came from Dan & the guys! 🎉🐸 Ribbit, signing off, Signor Frog x x x
@kathrynagoodwin24 Hi, I do understand your indulgence and insight regarding this. I actually do. However, you have to remember just one thing. My father worked with these guys for years. What you see on TV or any digital media, or peoples' defence on camera, etc, ... without actually KNOWING these people, even then, there is no way of completely making a correct judgement. Trust me on this.
Curios. Then what is your insight on this? Is it that Dan is the genius and driving force who is done with silverchair and Ben and Chris are simply session musicians still trying to cash in?
Awesome interview!
Dan said he wanted a copy of the book but the boys didn’t send him one, so he probably would’ve read it by then if he was allowed to maybe?
Huh?
Who cares about Dan...
It is hard to care about Dan if he does not care about anyone else.
I'm sure he was.
He's a millionaire. Why can't he buy the book?
Great interviewing. You gave them the space to tell their story. Good stuff
I do agree about giving them the chance to tell their story. It doesn't necessarily mean it's 100% correct. Everyone who has a stage persona to keep hold of will ALWAYS tell things the way they think is best. And for this to have been initiated in the first place? Think of it's origin.
I'm 46 , but man when I was in high school / early twenties ,Silverchair was one of my favorite rock bands ..they were so young but sounded like a rock band that had been around for years ..really great songs over the years ...Freak Show is my favorite album from them ...
Absolutely, because they WERE that same very thing, as an awesome, 3 piece teenage band which had an incredible amount of musical talent. Thing is, Daniel was always, and still is, someone unique. I love Ben and Chris, but if a session musician came into the studio (which could be either one of them), you wouldn't hear who's doing what.
I find it interesting how it's always "poor Daniel....he's been through so much".....yet Chris can have cancer that was almost terminal, plus a bloody heart attack and hardly anyone heard about it, not once did he play the victim card.
Also pretty poor that not even two near death experiences can prompt Daniel to get over himself and be there for someone who was such a big part of his life.
Glad Ben was there for Chris though - that's true friendship.
it is sad. I suppose it is all part of human nature and the equation that was dealt to each of them. Everything Daniel went through led to him to his ego problems. It is all part of the equation. So I see that perspective you talk about here as valid, but I can also see the whole picture and how he became that way, it just all makes sense.
Ben is envious 🙄
In a 1999 interview, Daniel talked about how loyal Silverchair fans were. This was true. I think Silverchair had more fan-made sites than any other band. Daniel is a musical phenomenon, but that loyalty was based on all three guys. Remember, Silverchair came out at the dawn of the internet. That meant fans had access to all their interviews, you could "binge" on Silverchair publicity. Agan and again, we could see they were good people, they were really funny together. I remember Ben teasing Daniel that his lyrics were weird and nobody knew what he was talking about, and Daniel loved the teasing. That's where my loyalty came from. In addition to the unique and wonderful music.
Also, as a bass player, I know it's easy to take the drums for granted, because you tend to "feel" the drums in the mix without focusing on what the drummer is doing. But that's like taking the electricity for granted that's running your devices or the gas that's running your car. The drummer is the energy that drives the sound and the drummer fills out the sound. You can't drink tea with just a teabag, you need water, and the drum track is the water. Every great rock band has a monster drummer, absolutely necessarily.
Man I miss silverchair so much. Daniel really needs to come back silverchair was unbeatable.
No he doesn’t. He disbanded them because he has serious trauma from that time in his life.
@@TaliaDakota Yes well trauma can be healed and i feel the only way for him to heal is to face his trauma.
There is a saying, "Too much water under the bridge." It's been CLEARLY, BOLDLY faced and beautifully, respectively. Sometimes you have to let by gones be by gones and just retain the positive memories. You don't HAVE to get back with your ex, right?
Daniel has always pushed in the direction he is right now... took many years, and a lot of convincing for his band members to be a part of it. If you have experience in the music industry DIRECTLY dealing with the heads of record companies, you'd know. He's finally doing what he WANTS to do, and from there, has the freedom to do even more. Has anyone else here heard the remake of "FREAK" he released on here? It's BRUTAL! and awesome, too. Different drummer and bassist. Don't get me wrong. I love Chris and Ben, theyre VERY talented people. It is a SCHISM of sorts, everyone went their different ways. I think EVERYONE should let them do that.
Great interveiw Tim..you could be the next Molly..🤠
Loved this 😎
Yeah there is some cool jovial moments, actually. I expected it to be some big argument or something which it ISNT.
Great interview, just felt like a casual chat with mates. Looking forward to getting a copy of the book!
Go with the audiobook. They read it. Makes the experience so much better
@@WinItReigns thanks for the tip! Keen to have a physical copy though. Maybe both!
Yes, the audiobook was so great to listen to! I did get the hardback as well so they could sign it :)
I would never say anything against or for any of these guys because I understand (don't ask why) through my fathers (lots of orchestration) appreciation for all of their singular talents, and as a group. I love all these guys.
Daniel is a musical powerhouse, there is no denying that. I think his best work was in the late part of Silverchair and The Dissociatives. Ben and Chris are obviously a massive part of the power of Silverchair and it's so refreshing to hear these men talk about what they experienced as teenagers. As much as I respect Daniel's musical craft, I wish he was as comfortable in his own skin as these guys and could just sit and have a yarn. The more I see Ben and Chris promoting their book, the more I am drawn to them. Great work boys.
I disagree powerhouse yes frog stomp yes really really really great stuff for kids really spectacular really really spectacular to us all
As a kid who didn’t want the limelight and “forced” to be the frontman I can see why he’s not comfortable in his skin. Think of all the horrible things people have said to him over the years; dissecting every physical thing about him.
frogstomp was the first album they ever did at like 15 years old dude. @@nickandrews2255
As a brazilian fan, I started a band with 15 only because of these guys - they also helped me to enjoy all sorts of music styles through their albums. I have so much respect for all of them, but I side with Ben and Chris in this matter since the breakup. It's a bit unfair from Daniel trying to "blame them" for his issues - they were all kids, no one knew how to deal with that shit in 90s/early 2000s, we couldn't even realize something was wrong back then, most of us didn't know these mental issues even existed. Although Daniel has his demons (and I wish all the best for him), at the same time he seems to only look out for himself - he treats the guys like they were nothing but obstacles in his "magnificent career".
From what I've interpreted, some people accused Dan of using his mental health and anorexia as means to promote his solo career. And that's not cool to say, especially if Dan wanted to reach listeners that experienced the same. Dan had an especially daunting position as frontman, and so did Ben and Chris in all their glory days of Silverchair. Dan is a very eloquent and brutally honest dude, but he is very gentle. It's not a good idea to doubt a brilliant mind. And it's also not fair.
@@carlalaudicinaLFC I think being a genius and having a character are different things. Daniel is a genius, but the way he treated Ben and Chris was very low of him. From supressing their creativity to suddenly dealing with them through agents and lawyers.
Daniel has even said that he, Ben and Chris made magic together. And I loved Silverchair like everyone else that did, but I also respect the guys' individual projects. You can't hate Ben or Chris if you're a major fan of Daniel's. I love all the guys, but Daniel has accomplished a ton as a solo artist. Odd that Ben and Chris are working together, but both refused to collab on FutureNever. But good luck to them. The 3 of them were amazing together.
It’s not odd. As 3 they’re Silverchair. These two would love the band to still exist. It’s Daniel who is done with being the guy from Silverchair as he himself says. Why would I want to appear on my friends solo album when we had such an unreal history as a band and I want that to continue …..
Well Said
@@arcticmonkey3you just said it…the friends part. If their refusal is only because they want Silverchair back then they aren’t really friends. Friends want to see each other thrive and succeed.
@@arcticmonkey3because like you said the 3 love playing together so why not? If they played together who knows what could happen. Ben says he misses dan and needs to talk to him but it looks like he doesn’t even try
Because I hate these two, Ben and Chris 🙄 Since I met Silverchair I've never liked them. For me they don't matter! No one is forced to love the three in the band. I just love Daniel. I know that to this day, Ben and Chris never forgave Daniel for leaving the band, even though they knew he was sick, they never understood, so fuck them both 🙄
In a way it’s such a shame. Could’ve potentially been the biggest band on Earth and possibly still could be but we have to be lucky we got what they gave. Absolute Gentlemen these two.
Biggest band on earth? I think you are getting a little carried away there! 😂
@@darkmatter7301 well I guess if they came out of Seattle they possibly may have
I don’t know, they were huge in the Boston area.
@@darkmatter7301 I think they were the best band on Earth. They had as much power as anybody and no other power rock band could do something like Ana's Song.
Biggest, no, because they came out after the peak of grunge and Alternative Nation. MTV switched to Rap, the Spice Girls, and that pretty boy bubblegum band Hanson.
Great interview with the boys. Massive influence on my band Face of the Earth
Nice plug! Lol
@@cosmokramer1213 shameless😉
The 3 lads needs to just have a few beers in the garage again re-connect and write some more classic iconic crushing huge Silverchair Riffs..
Frogstomp 2.0
@adamp108 calm down 🤣 a few beers isn't getting smashed mate. It's to relax and reconnect.
Frog stomp was their best album.
Nothing wrong with recognising what worked and what didn't regardless of time.
@adamp108 it doesn't matter what age they were, that frogstomp album sold the most... it was a stand-out album for them.
So many hits on that one album.
Daniel doesn’t have the voice for frogstomp 2.0 anymore. It’s a nice dream tho…I certainly share it with you! It’s just not going to happen. At best we can hope they will be best mates again.
@lorimulkey8423 I hope Dan see's your comment above as he loves to prove people wrong haha
@@marcusbarnes5929 Honestly I’d love it if he did!! But seriously his frogstomp voice started leaving after Neon and was pretty well gone by Diorama, like he had a deeper voice at 17 than 22….
"Gonna be a liar, lie to me, yeaaah"
"Now I need therapy to hate a little more"
Are you quoting the song "LIAR" by Henry Rollins? I LOVE that song.
@@Parrish_Muhoberac No, the first line is from Lie to Me, and the second from Learn to Hate. Both by silverchair.
Great stuff! need more stories and music from the other sides
Personal lives should NOT ever be a part of intelligent, beautiful music. I do understand that it is natural for people to seek deeper understanding of the musicians' lives... But seriously, (not the phil collins album haha), people with this much dedication and talent will KEEP GOING if people and the media just LET THEM CREATE instead of interviews. Believe me, I know.
I don’t blame Daniel for ending is as he was clearly deeply affected by the childhood fame. The focus was never on Ben or Chris and I guess that’s why they’ve been able to stay more “ normal” or grounded . But I can see how both would be disappointed by the band ending when they’re 33. They could have toured for the next 20,30 years so they’ve left millions on the table for their families. Other bands from the era are still going nearing 60. Green day , Deftones , blink 182 just some I can think of.
would not even been interviewed if it wasn't for daniel. you two are fill ins, right time right place. Chris you nearly had me fooled with comb over.
Troll
@@mirandaperry5245 I love the huge dbag trolls who come through and know nothing about bands and band chemistry and what it’s like to be in a band when the chemistry isn’t there.
@@danduntz2539 spot on
@@danduntz2539 Thank you. I don't want to. sound snooty but no musician would ever say a band is just a front man.
King gizz !
@annamiettinen Hi.... hey, in all, I just really want everyone to wrap this stuff up FAIRLY and HONESTLY, because my father Larry Muhoberac worked on orchestration for Diorama and Neon Ballroom (he wrote David Helfgott's piano part on Emotion Sickness).. dad died a few years ago and I know his spirit would NOT want such a situation like this, as he always regarded all 3 as talented people to be working with.
Watch all of Inside the Mind of Daniel Johns, then watch Bens wife Jackie Gillies in RHWOM and their lifestyle and tell me who is fucked up?
Peace and love Daniel 💖
Still, Ben was with Chris during his whole battle with cancer and heart disease. Danny boy was crying he didnt drug with the lastest anorexian model in a gay electro disco.
@@astorgaluthier”no more maybe’s. The world stole a baby” was the most victimhood minded lyric ever….It’s like I know he has a tortured soul, fuck most of us do in some form or another, but also wished he’d get over himself….he walked into the industry willingly. And more so has stayed in it willingly.
@@lorimulkey8423agree - of course i imagine it’s hard to be at a position at that age but at the same time it’s provided him a really cool and nice life that a lot would desire.
You ok mate?@@astorgaluthier
Jackie helped Ben in his rehabilitation and supported Chris in the hospital. Daniel's TH-cam videos (inside his mind) were made to feed his ego. There is no deep reflection in those videos, only self-indulgence.
Def the problem, is that the Innocent Criminals line up did not work out.
Their recent public appearances on media has made me wonder why Chris still wants to work together and remain good friends with Ben, but not with Daniel.
Maybe because is Daniel the shitty one? He even didnt call Chris when he was dying from cancer.
What do you mean?? Chris literally said if he could wish for one thing it would be for the 3 of them to reconcile.
@@lorimulkey8423 he did, but evidently Chris chose to make public appearance with Ben instead. Not saying definitely but i wonder if this indicate he's more comfortable being friends with Ben than Daniel.
@@owkelahkalobegitu well probably so I mean Ben and Chris are like normal dudes and Daniel has done like 4 180’s in the past couple decades.
Chris liked the idea of telling his side of the story.
After reading the book it seems Ben really pushed to have more writing credits on the songs and Dan just doesn't communicate properly. And it's all snow balled
They have no necks and sloped shoulders, gets A bit blurred when the camera cuts between The Two..
F…L…O…G !!! Blackwell, trying to ingratiate himself 🤮
Why is the interviewer trying to make light of every single point, it got uncomfortable at times when they were being serious and he makes some stupid joke
I'll be going to Forster Bowlo after Go shower and make look pr3ttym u got sweet duff beer man cause my KENNY heads looking all fuck3d up you know.
Look the lads did ok but we are not exactly talking The Rolling Stones here.
These guys are sooooo jelous, they are living the life of the shmoz they always were Daniel was and always will be the talent in that band ..
Still DJ only made shit by himself
@@amremorse still a band. Kurt Cobain was KC. But without Dave Grohl, Nirvana was a good garage grunge band from Olimpia. Johns only made shit, out of silverchair and dissociatives.
@@amremorse check Faultine bass if you think Joannou was bad. Clearly you like to suck dick on stars, when the reality of things is bands are the ones who.made the sound of an album. Sessionist are that. Hired guns.
that could have just been timing and his getting into other drugs and changes in life though. dave grohl is a unique talent in himself. ben and chris arent quite on par with dave kurt or daniel, they are in a class of their own, but daniel is actually the best of all of those examples.@@astorgaluthier still, there could be something to the combination of the three being something special, regardless of the other two members not quite being amazing musicians, but not bad either. So hopefully you understand what im saying. no hate coming from me. i see it as nuanced and multifaceted but thats just how i see things
What a bunch of snozwanglers