Can These Patches SAVE Multiversus?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- I gotta go Bad! I gotta go bad! Today we're discussing why the recent patch notes and changes laid out in this thread: x.com/Player1s... are not going to be enough to save the game... I went all out for this one and it's also a lot more feedback/opinionated then the previous video so I hope you all enjoy!
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They deleted my video talking about how players still haven’t received all their beta cosmetics and labeled it as “spam/ low effort content”
Yep very very strange!
No waaaaaay💀
"Hey boss, someone just released a video criticizing our game, what do we do?"
"End him"
There's alot of people missing stuff I'm one of them no fix yet
I've heard about this, I could have sworn that I had some Velma costumes. Unfortunately I can't remember what cosmetics I had, I imagine a lot players are in the same boat
@ssj2_snake yep like I told them there thing I know I'm missing and thing I'm not quite sure but I know im missing a few things characters and my max banner and season 1 stuff
Everyone is talking about “what character is coming to multiverse” I don’t even want them to add more characters until they fix the simple issues the game has now. Don’t add more fluff to a broken game it’s like putting milk in the cracked cereal bowl
Literally this!!!
Perfect
How about you let them know which issues need fixing could help…also what issues are you referring to
@@TheGodlyGamerMugendid you not watch the video?
I'm starting to wonder if the switch to UE5 was really worth all this trouble. I feel like the only changes they should have made were the bigger character models and the changes to their movesets, the slower speed, the addition of dash attacks and parries, the new stages, rifts, and basically kept everything else from the beta the same.
Edit: Forgot to mention the changes to the dodge system.
Yeah that's my question as well... Like I understand they had to rework stuff for sure for the UE5 swap, but if you are in the know of game dev, the WHOLE POINT of ue5 is how effortless it is to upgrade. Like the whole point of chapter 4 or whatever of fortnite was to showcase that (remember epic actively helps a ton of AA and even AAA devs btw) so I really don't understand how SO MUCH STUFF had to get re added to the game. it's just frustrating! Both for me as a player and I could understand how frustrating it could be for the devs if it was forced.
@@YungFalcon Rollback net code works very differently to normal online functionality and basically HAS to be deeply integrated with all aspects of gameplay, so yeah they basically had to re-do everything to being able to add it
I'm well aware of how to implement rollback net code, although thank you for the explanation. I understand that they had to build things from the ground up, and redo many systems and I know in the long run this'll be better for multiversus but it's still got a lot of problems sadly. Thankfully the desyncs and what not have been fixed as of this patch
@@YungFalconwhat are the current problems
The game needs to be changed on a fundamental level to become good, the current currency system and game economy is just bad at the moment, not to mention the shit-storm that is rifts and gems. But, realistically they won’t change these things, so I think the next step for them is to improve player retention.
Even as someone who was hyped for the game pre release and played the beta, i’ve already stopped playing the game for the most part. Everything in the game feels like too much of a grind and unlocking fighters takes way too long as well. For me personally, I’m confused on why so many good things from the beta is just outright removed, and now they’re wasting dev time bringing them back
only issue i have with the game is if you get stuck in the air its over id like it to focus more on ground game
Agree basically every combo in this game starts with a aerial during too hit stun at least at a mid-low level
Game is dog shit still don’t know why they removed attack decay u could get spammed out in the air by characters with fast moves like joker
Attack decay is actually still in the game! They just no longer have a text box for it. It's confusing to me as well but I tested knock back and damage in the lab to confirm
@@YungFalcon it’s useless tho the old one was better they already made it easier for ppl to get kills and it don’t slow anything down they could still spam it
Theres something I really want that Multiversus work is that you can actually set your customize perks because since I've customize my perks but I can't even equip them. Another thing I really want that multiversus work on is that they should add more quests for battlepass XP or heck more XP in online battles. 50 XP is nice and all, but its not much when you know that the amount of XP needed to level up is like 2,000 XP which now you think about it, its not much. They should make it higher like 100 XP for winning and 50 XP for losing so that we can complete these battle passes faster since that our current battle pass is going to finish in 35 days (which sucks for those players who have recently joined and they need to pay for 25 levels so they can keep up with thr battlepass).
Fun fact black Adam (at least I’ve only seen it with him) will never use his dejected emotes only the default
Finally a TH-camr keeping his integrity towards this big joke that the Multiversus "release" has been so far. Props to you mate.
God, I miss useful perks. Coordination either on the fly with randoms or making the perfect team with a friend is all gone.
I'm glad you mentioned community. While I do believe that the high-speed factor pushed a decent number of players away, I think the nonsensical levels of patches did more harm than good during beta.
Chronically online nerds would yell at the devs then PFG would assume the entire player base of millions wanted that change when in reality it was 30 people crying that they couldn't learn how to dodge Velma's Microphone. Casuals don't have time to read every patch note and when they log on after busting their ass off working for 8-12 hours that day and suddenly their main plays like shit they aren't going to say "Oh boy this is just a new opportunity to learn another one of these amazing WB characters!" They log off and never return because you disrespected that player's time and didn't convey the information in the game. I'm so fucking tired of every dev doing all their communication on fucking Twitter. I hate Twitter, but I have one just because it's the only way to know what's going on with the live service games I play.
Unfortunately, we already see the same poor balancing issues in full release. Instead of buffing characters while they look for the disease, they just cut random things, hoping that fixes the problem. The prime example is Wonder Woman. She gets a cooldown back on her lasso, while it was a good edge-guarding tool with Tip of Hepatitis it wasn't even close to being her main issue, now players who use the Grapple of Hermes movement perk are punished for no reason. Next, the bracer gets hit. The Bracer in beta was useless because the charge disappeared on death, and it took a long time to charge, and that's what they changed. Not the knockback on early blasts, not the rate of its charge, not whiff lag on miss? They just changed her back to her beta state, where lasso was barely used outside tournaments, and bracer was never used.
As I commented on your last video I really want to defend Tony as he seems like such a passionate dude and you can see the love and care put into the movesets in every character but we do need a tidal wave of criticism to show them they are leading this game to its demise. Whether it be PFG or WB making the decisions I just want leadership to take their head out of their ass and see that their investment and potential money printer is going to be dead within the year if they continue on their current course.
I hope Multiversus can be saved, but I doubt it will be.
Thank you so much for analyzing and coming to a really well researched and heartfelt conclusion! It means a lot to have engaging comments like this (and the last video) pop up cause it shows there's people in the community that truly just want the best for MVS. I still want this game to be great and grow it's playerbase, but if the game AND the community keep going in the direction it's been going then sadly the game will suffer a slow or severe fall off which no one wants!
I would like to add they don’t know how to balance kits and tend to fumble it
For example I main both Wonder Woman abd black Adam, black Adam was Ok for what it was but it wasn’t substantial
Wonder Woman on the other hand was terribly “balanced” they just removed your ability to use a key mobility tool or combo starter and didn’t bother actual changing her priority or combo flow leader to her both being just as difficult to fight against while butchering her perks and annoying her player base
Also let us use perks in rifts Wonder Woman is a great example given her lasso is a large adjective if player personalisation and is particularly bad if you tend to play with the grapple of hermes
Man, i hope you do a part 3. These videos are fantastic.
Thanks for watching goat! Hope the editing has been treating you well!
@@YungFalcon it's great
Love these long videos with explanation formats. Keep it up 🙏✨
Glad you like them!
I swear to God we played the full release 2 years ago and now they've released the beta build as a social experiment.
They are literally working on adding about two dozen things that were in the beta.
It feels that way. Again I understand that they switched engines and the difficulties that come with that but it's beyond frustrating
I just do by daily challenges and head out the game because although fighting players is fun the amount of desyncs and crashes i get on my ps4 is insane and it doesn't motivate me to continue playing
Same here. As it is, I can only run 1v1 because anytime I try for 2v2 *someone* (mainly me) gets kicked from the game, and that's after I turned off crossplay.
So that major issue already leaves me bitter when I'm jumping into games that still have hiccups and busted hitboxes and then I'm just done for the day.
My main 2v2 partner and i are able to parry efficiently now and can deal with most of the cheesy comps
My main issue currently after 3 weeks are the Hit/Hurtboxs for most of the roster.
Then a minor one is having to play on the Townsville and Amazone with stage Hazards constantly
dawg tell me about it! hitting a parry should be like the most satisfying thing in a fighting game and in MVS it feels like I'M IN DISADVANTAGE because of how bad hit/hurtboxes are rn. I truly like some of the changes but gosh darn this game gets on my nerves sometimes!
I don't even care about finishing the premium battle pass they gave me for free. I was playing 2vbots previously, but now the mode is just gone, you quickly realize how grindy the rifts are and the standard F2P mess of tons of currencies.
I feel you on the 1v1 gripes, especially as I'm currently stuck only being able to play 1v1 since 2v2 keeps disconnecting as soon as the match starts.
Still waiting on that fix, PFG. I would REALLY like to play the damn game with my friends.
"That homie can shoot you down like Green Arrow."
LOL! That quote had me rolling. 2s is still fun and not unplayable but I think my issue with the balance is that some characters are just overtune. I don't think the game is extremely unbalanced as I have played unbalanced fighters before but a character like Wonderwoman and prepatch Gizmo shouldn't exist. I do also feel Player First Games has to stop shooting characters when it comes to nerfing.
lolol I'm in the same boat love 2s down but the balancing/netcode issues make it hard to enjoy the game. I do not like 1s at all XD
Honestly though no matter how many balance patches or (adding in content from the beta lol), or even making matches connect considering they stopped working for custom games after day 3
That monetization alone is enough to push away everyone I know, we all know we’ll get bored of our 5 characters and lack of some we had in beta and nobody wants to buy a fighter
A lot of my biggest hopes for the game are seeing some more of the original characters that they had planned, expanding on some more characters from already existing properties, adding less popular shows even though they wouldn't want to, I could see Foster's home for imaginary friends not getting any rep or even mentioned with a side character for example, so I hope they think of a good balance between popular choices and more out there or even "joke" characters
I would really love more player first games original stuff! Reindog is such a cute and unique addition to the platform fighter space
I recently watch your last video and am currently watching this video and I appreciate taking your time and making valid points i love multiverses but i know theres alot of issues but you've given more perspective on the topic ive only recently been looking into other fighting games past smash and multiverses and I understand now alil more
Thank you for understanding! Once again we all are on the same side I love multiversus I want the game to do well. It's 100% be in my favor as a platform fighting game fan/ tournament organizer/ content creator! But these issues are so frustrating, that I have to voice my grievance and call out the community a bit so we can at least understand and see that it's really hard for anyone casual or pro to enjoy the game rn
I was so disappointed to see that there was no local co-op pvp queue in the full release.
I really hope it gets added later!
Thank you for talking about how this game was designed for 2v2 , I tell my friend this but I think his competitive 1v1 brain just refuse to see the game for what it is
I'll never get why everyone hopped on this game and instantly forced 1s. 1s and 2s always felt like two separate games and 1s to me at least always felt worse so I truly don't get it.
@@YungFalcon I think alot of competitive players really just want mv to be smash with dc / cn characters honestly, they see they can 1v1 with batman in a platform fighter(even tho the game heavily push 2v2) and that’s all they see.
I mean 1v1 can be fun (especially with friends) but mv wasn’t designed around that
Yeah that's another issue I want to expand upon, peoples obsessions with smash killers. Like it's such a platform fighter issue. In my corner (the FGC) we have all sorts of fighting games and no one really calls for say a street fighter killer, we just play the games that we like XD. Games like KOF, Guilty gear, etc all offer something unique.
This video is amazing and very well put, I absolutely love this game and your points are so well articulated with the negative attention seeking comments removed from it. I love the art style, I love the roster and I’d really be disappointed if this game failed.
Been uninstalled. They fumbled the mega bag
I haven't had many problems outside of a couple desyncs and attacks apparently going through opponents, my gripe is priority of attacks seem random for more than half the cast.
I don't blame the devs... This is clearly the fault of Warner Bros. If the game didn't have a rushed development or oppressive monetization, we wouldn't be having these problems.
Yeah I talk about and show a ton of footage on how WB has messed over pfg in many ways
Very well made video and I agree with a lot of what you said. Me and 3 of my friends played day 1 of the full release and when we saw how buggy it was and how many things were missing from beta it was such a bad first impression that 3 of us were already not impressed and the other dropped it in the first week. Jump to now and we pretty much only play private games with eachother because rifts are boring and the main game is still pretty buggy with things like Superman pretty much sticking you to him and soft locking you or characters like Wonder Woman being super overtuned it just hasn’t been fun and it’s not living up to the expectations that we had from the beta. It sucks because I really want to like this game and see it succeed. Hopefully they’ll take feedback like yours to heart and the game can meet the potential I know it has.
Yeah I’ve noticed the focus on 1v1 ones is strange the 2v2s aspect the speed and the perks is the only thing that made this game unique from all the other platform fighters now they’re talking that all away by slowing everything down making hitboxes and blast zones jank and making the game more spammy overall it’s sad that 2v2s is almost unplayable nowadays hopefully enough constructive criticism can turn this game around but we’ll see
I think best way to go about balance is to separate 1v1 and 2v2 as they both do have their differences but i think it would make both kind of players happy such elden ring have changes for both pvp and pve while not hurting players who like one or the other.
i'd be down but the amount of time/money it'd take to make essentially two kits for both modes would be a lot! I think re working movesets would be better
@@YungFalcon Yeah Im just saying one way they can do it but re working their movesets is definitely the most likely out come which isn't bad some characters could definitely use it, but another thing is to please give fighter currency for playing online matches.
My friend can’t even load a game up without getting kicked out (he’s on Xbox )
I said this before and I'll say it again. In about 3 months after this "Honeymoon" period/ 1st battlepass ends, they will be a drop in players due to the rifts, monetization, balancing and the game just being buggy.
Whether or not it's a big drop, WB will clutch their pearls and jump to shutting the game down again. Their constant greed amd overconfidence in this, SSKTJL, and Gotham Knights is just a death knell that they just don't care about and are quick to throw the devs under bus.
If they united the currencies again back to coins and reduce character prices and also fix the insane pricing in the item shop I feel like it would bring a decent amount of people back and fix these events having insane amount of perk points 😂
I made a ticket to MVS listing all the items there are missing from the beta. And I got all my stuff back now.
I'd have to see proof because everyone else I've talked too has not got their stuff back 😞
You aren't asking for too much with the BP xp gain. Every F2P game wants to ride the Fortnite wave but do it poorly. The BP should be easy to level, if people have already bought it there is no good reason to make it difficult to level.
I also hate the it's free defense with every fiber of my being. I could give you a bag of rocks for free, doesn't mean you have to like it. I had a guy try to argue that Multiversus was a better value than a paid fighting game. Breaking down the math as simply as possible $100 in Multiversus is 12 characters. In smash the game and all dlc cost less. Brawlhalla $40 for all characters forever. Rivals, the whole game, two more games, and a Big Mac.
Multiversus is not a good value. It's a great platform fighter mechanically. There are issues (Iron Giant, Banana) but overall I like the game. I want more platform fighters so we can get a true quality genre rolling. That's why this game needs to shape up.
thank you for a very well put comment! The F2P arguments be getting on my nerves too which is why I HAD to address it in the video LOL. and b4 people ask no making this game 60$ would not fix anything honestly? it'd be worse case and point when games have set budgets (Nick all stars cough cough) they HAVE to make that money back which means cuts are made in some way, MVS sidestepped that. Now they just need a healthy mode. I truly hope they do the brawlhalla pay like 50$ (inflation) for every fighter for the rest of the games life!
I also found it super strange how positive people were after their fixes announcement. It is nice that they acknowledge a lot of issues. But:
1. We don't know when patch will be out.
2. It covers fundmaental issues that should be from start. As mentioned in video, 90% of the patch is bringing stuff from beta. And other are fundamental things like game being functional on xbox ;d
3. Track record of PGF is unfortunately very bad. For one year since they closed beta, thery mostly made game worse(not even counting the slow up)
So I dont get this euphoria at all. People are talking on reddit chat as all issues listed by devs were already fixed ;d
I might be the only person on the planet who got to keep all his cosmetics. Pfg needs to get it together man
I've found myself playing more 1's, purely because most of my 2v2 matches desync before the first stock is even taken. The game is unplayable on xbox and that affects everyone else. It sucks that WB got away with rushing the game with Mortal Kombat 1 and they are getting away with it for MVS.
Where is the Killer Instinct doc you wanted to link?
I've updated the description sorry for that! I missed adding it! Thanks for the heads up
Your not lying with the bugs I feel like each character has a bug wether it’s cosmetic or mechanical
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From the bottom of my heart THANK YOU! I felt like I was going insane watching the community lap up this slop and clap like trained seals for being given back what we already had before and blindly accepting the bare minimum. The whole fanbase has a toxic positivity problem and it feels like I'm surrounded by slack-jawed hype-blinded morons who are more into the IDEA of Multiversus rather than what it actually is.
Alright unlike last time I have nothing major to say. You hit the nail on the head. o7
Thank you goat! glad you enjoyed
Great video, also fun fact: consoles don’t have to pay for online if the game is free.
Oh really! That's neat I'll update that in my description! I guess it shows how long it's been since I swapped to PC XD
And when are they gonna adress the super slow gameplay, like it even looks way better at 1,25 speed at youtube (like see the hitstop).
Yea in my opinion I stopped playing most in part that I can’t play the character I want and it takes forever to unlock them. Upon launch it was not explained that characters are rotated. In my mind I thought I had Garnett unlocked. Come to find out she was only being rotated. So when I came back to the game i tried to play games to unlock her and yea let’s just say I still haven’t done that no matter how many games I’ve played
Yeah that really sucks... I do recall the timer icon not being on rotation fighters in beta especially if you had any founders pack, it was very confusing. it got fixed towards the start of ranked iirc in beta1 but I understand where ur coming from! hopefully the grind won't be as long in the future
Both videos you made are perfect and are the best videos about this topic , and they should both be watched and re watched by the devs😂
I agree its a 2v2 game but the perks are so odd
I played I enjoyed my time, grinded to #1 in top dog and now all of a sudden its like im just waiting for something to happen. Constantly playing the same op characters getting juggled infinitely it just isn’t entertaining.
Yep had this feeling during top dog too. I got 3rd in my top dog and 8th in the lastest one because I was so burnt out of dealing with de-syncs and one and dones XD
Also the tagging of the character archetypes and balance is so wack, i legit thought wonder woman was an assassin, but she hits as hard as a bruiser, defense and armor like a tank (which someone like jason should get not her), and speed of an assassin, similar issue with superman, where you would think he is a tank due to his armor and weird speed but turns out he is a bruiser.
Superman is still a tank but I understand your sentiment
@@YungFalcon Lmao, i thought he was a bruiser, i swear, the archetypes are so confusing
Yep XD I def get ya
Honestly 2v2s are unplayable I can play like 1/5 games successfully and the rest end due to desync or lost connection
Honestly I just stopped playing I thought the game would be so much fun but when I saw I didn’t get my costume that I had back I just left the game
Hm witnessing the deal of patches and how things are approached, i really feel things had not improoved well enough. While i know there are things that Warner can be blamed, it doesn't mean i will leave the developers scot free. There are things they could still had done to make game better, the whole debate of switching engines makes one ponder if time ended being wasted in the conversion instead of improoving what worked already
And after hearing that Agent Smith is delayed, i feel than most of the time will be spent fixing mistakes, wich means time and resources being lost in tyring to salvage things, wich means the momentum they had is going to be reduced constantly. By the time they release some fan favourite characters if the leaks are trusted, i fear the audience will move onto either the next big thing, or returning to other games that aren't as infuriating.
This is all a very good tldr of my recent thoughts given today's patch notes! Like on one hand I understand from a dev perspective how hard the production was but as a consumer it's been infuriating and it feels so unfair to me that most players can't "complain" about the lack of features and etc without being labeled as negative or haters of PFG when we all are rightfully frustrated. Thank you so much for your input! I'll have more videos coming soon trying to get a mini one done for the weekend
@@YungFalcon Ill keep an eye there and i apologize if i had been redundant. Wanted to show i ended agreeing with those points but i still gotta work on some stuff i admit.
And in all honesty, a proper fan has to make peace with the fact that a product, series or franchise has flaws, an the intention is not to wish ill, but to seek improovement. It just becomes frustrating being unable to do so wich i feel contributes to the lack of improovements
Right I'm in a similar boat! Def be easy no worries on being redundant I def am in my videos XD
The new players and people who suck at games are the one vomplaining about game speed and character moves that was fine and not broken are the ones in twitter being heard the most not the real beta testers and people who played the game and see the problems.
Did everyone forget that MV had “ Free for All” in the beta version and just got rid of it ? I heard nobody talked about that
I did mention that they should bring back FFA in a previous video thanks to comments, seems to be coming back soon as of next week!
@@YungFalcon oh if you did then my mistake then. I haven’t played MV since the beta , but just hearing issues that they removed from the “ base” game that was in the beta. Is just idiotic in my opinion. Tact on the other issues you mentioned in your video
@PrimeExcellence0 all good it's just frustrating but that mode will be added back very soon
They should've ditched the 2v2 focus after the death of the first beta. 1v1 is the main draw of fighting games. Casual players aren't gonna find a partner to grind 2v2 rank when it releases. So they're gonna get stomped by people that did and are communicating. The focus on 2v2 was a good gimmick but it's clearly causing more problems than its worth. Some characters kits are so weak in 2v2 that it feels like you're throwing when you lock them in. Batman and Taz are good examples. Batman is an iconic character probably WB's most important IP but his kit isn't nearly as effective as WW, Steven, or Bugs in 2v2. While Taz can't effectively support his teammate like WW or apply pressure like Bugs can with his safe and rockets. We'll see if PFG is gonna get the support from WB to make a No Man Skys style comeback because this relaunch just made a horrible first impression.
I kinda touch up on this in the video and I highly disagree. The game should lean even more into 2s and I believe casuals would enjoy 2s more if the game gave players the right systems to lean into it, voice chat/pings/party after matches etc would be great first steps. I also don't think kits are weak in twos quite the opposite! I think batman is really solid in 2s if coupled with the right teammate! Taz is just weak in general sadly as he lacks a lot of good buttons but he feels vastly better in twos seeing how he creates a smoke screen tussle that both hides his teammate from damage while dishing out damage. WW kinda carries on 2s and 1s lol. The games kits are fundamentally built around twos but the community has fought tooth and nail to make ones the main mode and if it goes that way I highly doubt the game will last without INSANE reworks to the whole cast cause hoo boy 1s get annoying fast for me at least
9:34 and then hitboxes…
If they're gonna stay stubborn and not change the feel of this the game no
I am glad I own every system under the sun. I mainly live on Xbox for my primary gaming. I don’t care about console wars bs it’s mainly I like Xbox controller better than PlayStation controller. Anyways I am glad I can play it on my ps5 cause it’s so awful on series X. I love the game when it works but netcode kills the game. I am sure others have experienced this you launch a 2 v 2 and you’re partner is frozen and it’s a handicap match which ends with the frozen player being easy kills. My next issue is rift mode. While in general I like it but what I don’t like is requiring cosmetics for missions. For example maybe you have to have a beach ready attire to perform this mission. Don’t have one well you buy one which is pay to win crap. Lastly I hate how they’re handling the battlepass I am glad they finally added xp for matches but it’s still woefully underwhelming so it ends up still you just get xp from dailies and barely move slowly along the battlepass.
I will not lie I'm guilty of being a downer but honestly with how reindogs been treated so far (My main), I really have no will to play the game. My secondary was WW but I feel cheap playing her since its so easy to win but man reindog has had it so rough. Did you see the patches? They take away the sair loop, fair, they also GUT up air too??? This character wasn't an S tier character, his neutral projectile is one of the most unusable moves in the game currently. Seriously go in the range and try to use it grounded, its like glue for a full second on the ground and every reindog player says its terrible. His weakness was kill options which sair loop provided a potential kill option but it got removed and then they gut his ONLY other kill option up air which it takes forever to kill now when other characters explode stocks at 100%. I think its fair of me to not be happy with this game at all currently with not only balance but also hype. How can I ever be hype for a game that barley works and half the things that are being added were either in beta or should have been there ON launch like BP xp from PVP which we had to change RIGHT after it came out since it was a slap in the face with how much they were giving. All the currency and numbers don't respect any time of players and its just sad how far a game can fall from beta in almost every aspect on full release.
i completely agree with this whole video as a take. Literally people will try to defend anything they like in the slightest and ignore all honest criticism. Which, btw isnt even criticism like why arent BETA features in the full release like in what world do you defend that 😂? this game is a joke honestly, but i realllyy hope it somehow survives and gets better
Thank you for seeing reason! Talking to "defenders" (cause if they cared they wouldn't brush these issues aside) has been very frustrating. It's hard to explain to folk that a FIGHTING GAME should not need constant hot fixing and patches every week in a half... Like realistically how is anything going to get balanced in that time?!
@@YungFalcon Exactlyyy bro. If they honestly cared they wouldnt ignore the blatant issues the game has. My main plat fighting game is brawlhalla, and i honestly think pfg could learn a thing or too about how to make a free to play plat fighting game functional. Its honestly sad to see all the bugs/glitches and the amount of hotfixes/patches they’re gonna have to do before the game even nearly touches the beta. Not justifying the beta, but it easily was a significantly VERY less smelly bag of hot garbage than the open release is at this current state. And the people trying to defend it… mann oh man its a crazy time 😂😂😂
@@YungFalconI just don’t like negative nellies like you constantly shitting on a great game
That’s all multiversus ever gets is over negative people all the god damn time first it happened with MK1 and now multiversus why can’t people just be quiet and enjoy good products
It’s infuriating
I kinda saw it coming.
06:28 so untrue, many (especially Twitter) want the demise of this game.
I mean at the same time on twitter there's endless people talking about how incredible the game is on my pages. social media always skews itself to what YOU are actively interacting with, so if you keep interacting with negative MVS stuff you will only see negative MVS stuff.
Especially after Elon taking over lol
@@YungFalconinteresting thanks for letting me know
I deleted X
Lmao the game will shut down before people can even complete THE FIRST BATTLEPASS from the game, this is so embarrassing from Tony and the team, i feel that i'm playing for chores instead of having fun
Truly sad that Smith will be possibly the last character before WB goes whiny and shuts down the game updates
I highly believe it was the suits at WB the ones who caused this, but i feel it's mostly the monetization
Sadly as I'm learning more about PFG it's def a mixture of the two. On one hand WB def ruined the monetization but on the other with all the gameplay flaws and rushing to hit that 2024 summer window... Low key that's on PFG no excuses for the state the game launched in publisher or not
As a fellow Harley main not being able to emote for a week was cringe
These sad scam devs dont care. OG Xbox One players get a guaranteed connection failure in all modes with more than 2 players and it's been like this ever since patch 1.02 dropped. Meanwhile MVS-491 says it's fixed, lol.
7:10 No really I’ve seen “new games usually have bugs on release” so much as if Multi is actually new and almost everything going wrong day 1 is normal 😂
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend the devs, nor I'm over optimistic, but this same problems were in overwatch2 release, like desync and poor monetization, but they manage to make it work and now the game is in a ok state (not good yet, but just ok)
But I think all of multiversus problems is "time"
I feel the player first games dev didn't got the right time they needed to make the basics of the game and got pushed to release an incomplete game just as a cash grab.
Also it's ironic how the company name is "Player first" but the player experience in multi versus is one of the worst I've ever seen in gaming.
nah it's ok I see where your coming from! I want the best for both the devs time, (seriously please take a break PFG go quiet on socials lock in and focus on the game the fans/community can wait) and the players! thanks for taking the time to leave a comment means a lot
What's weird about mv is how they over nerf characters like iron giant into being a irrelevant punching bag but leave characters like bugs with an infinite hit stun perfectly intact. They prioritize characters with the lowest pick rate instead of the ones who have the highest for a very good reason
At the core save the defense save the game.
Am i the only onw thinking tge only reason multiversus is getting any big attention is because the smash scene is dry asf rn? MV is filling a hole for the time being but once a smash 6 comes out or gets announced, thats gonna be what everyones talking about/playing imo. MV never felt that special or unique to me to have real staying power once other big platform fighter inevitably comes out
I can see that angle, in my first video I touch on that during the intro. A lot of people just want a Smash alternative recently because smash ultimate has so many issues if your not a hyper competitive tournament going person. So multiversus was a beacon of hope for many, myself included! I think both games can coexist they're very different in playstyles (MVS is teams smash is 1v1 for example) but it's hard to root for them with the mistakes made this far
Amazing video!! The patches definitely wont save the game. I already uninstalled. I played in the beta and gave it another shot at launch.
From the quick nerfs/buffs, not being able to play local with all characters at a friends house, desync problems, and fomo content, I had to move on.
Good luck to anyone that sticks around.
thanks for the feedback! Hopefully the game can pull you back in if (some) of these things get fixed T_T
I think I have decided that I do not care about this game lol
I just got here and have been loving this game. Though the negativity is super weird, i feel like suicide squad has more optimism in its commentator community than the multiversus comunity, which is wild to me.
Sorry you feel it's negative. Personally unlike you, I've been playing the game since 2022. I spent money on it, I feel like the devs are negative for not giving me all the features that were IN THE BETA on the launch. Also I am not a "commentary channel" please do not call me that
You are new to the game if you was in beta, you would hate the game cause it will be too fast and require skills for you to play.
@@huebertlaswell6688 well good thing its not the beta 👍. Seriously rude and speed isn’t the only thing for a game. Like bffr this is a platform fighter, if you want speed go play guilty gear or an anime 2d fighter because those are often faster and require more of the “skill” you hold dear
@@YungFalcon ah my bad i more so meant the community than commentary channel. I have spent some money on it, but after sinking 40 hours into it because i felt it was worth at least 20 bucks. At the end of the day the gameplay is extremely fun
@@YungFalcon it also feels over the top calling this game beyond saving. I haven’t even waited a minute to get a match yet. I have played skullgirls, soul calibur, even melty blood. To already call it beyond saving feels over the top to someone who has been on the groundfloor for actual dead games that don’t have online communities.
But i do apoligize about the commentary channel thing, didn’t mean to slight you
If the vast majority of your player base doesn’t want to play 2v2, trying to force then into it is only gonna kill your game faster than the garbage progression system was going to anyway.
FF8 ost.
Classy stuff.
Thank ya! Love me some final fantasy
Keep up the good work I completely agree and honestly I’m at the point where I’ve given up on the game
I still have a (little) faith in the team! But darn is it hard when I know the next several patches are just restoring the game to a previously good state
@@YungFalconthe main thing that is basically the nail in the coffin for me is what they said they fixed isn’t even true sometimes, desyncs are still really common, infinites etc
@@MrChompeeYT YEAH I was waiting for more info on that so I didn't dive into it in this video but it's beyond frustrating
There are three pros from beta that work on the game. I agree with some of your points. But you lack knowledge in others. The devs don’t get to choose where the money and resources go in every scenario. And they can’t just delay the game forever and be a money sink. So obviously WB forced them to push it out. If you play 2s today the game feels pretty good. I agree a lot of aspects are lacking though.
Hey first off, sorry if it came off dismissive in this video. I played up some jokey angles but in the last video I cover how pros help with the game (although idk if community manager like nakat completely counts in terms of hands on game development) secondly, um devs kind of do have that freedom and the decision to shelve the game last year is proof of that. The game wasn't delayed that long (9months give or take) and I don't think the game was going to be a money sink. It's not a duke nukem forever or Gotham knight/suicide squad situation so to speak. To say I lack knowledge in areas of game development when I've interacted with devs and talked to people at various places on how games are made feels a little disingenuous to me personally. The way your speaking makes it sound like MVS was delayed for multiple years when that was never the case. I understand that WB pushed and rushed the game out the door I literally have multiple slides and meme edits in the video referencing that WB forces their PFG's hand. However as much as I love the devs to say they aren't at fall with some of these issues would be lying to myself and the audience such as things like changes to the perk system and what not. I hope this response helps clear things up
@@YungFalcon well maybe I’m wrong then. I just don’t see how they can just keep delaying the game financially that makes zero sense for the investors.
Logically you would think WB pays devs X amount of money to produce game by Y --> depending on success of the game and investment provided the game should have a return. Whether it be good or bad. So a 9 month hiatus on said return seems bad to me. I listened to an audio book blood sweat and pixels on game dev and a lot of stories included publishers forcing games out or forcing crunch time for games and it having negative impact on said games. So I assumed that would be the case here.
I think you did make a lot of good points in your video don’t get me wrong. I was just saying I disagreed with the 2 points about balancing patches and the game having to be delayed again. I doubt the devs wanted to drop the game in its current state. I think NAKAT, Chavo, Ajax are all FGC veterans who can help diagnose character issues.
Also I’m a first time viewer so I didn’t see the last video
@@franktownsend3483 I mean I'm aware of the horror stories in game dev to comment on that firstly, I've worked in the industry on the post production/marketing side of things for indie projects and with a company who gets EA to titles to help develop forms of marketing. To answer the first thing I think your really hung up on the delay aspect when multiversus was never really delayed if that makes sense it went on hiatus and was rushed out the door which is why I was pushing for the game itself to be delayed. I should've edited my last comment to be more along the lines of "technically" the game was delayed but it was really just pulled from beta which is a tad bit strange in the modern landscape of gaming, re worked and then launched. It was pulled from beta in June 2023 and released in late May so about 11 months of development. Wouldn't quite be a delay more so just standard dev time. I rather wish the devs did delay the game so they actually had more time to work hopefully not crunch and implement missing features from beta on launch. I personally don't believe we should be letting WB get away with this by any means and that unfortunately means me being as loud as possible about this games dev cycles because its unfair to all involved. If you ride with MVS team its unfair to them due to crunch, it's unfair to us consumers cause we get screwed over, and the only company that has all the cards is WB and which as we've seen can kinda due whatever they want to this game. Now that being said I do find it interesting that games like suicide squad, hogwarts legacy, And Gotham knights can get delayed and delayed and fixed over and over till the cows come home, but for whatever reason both MK1 and MVS had to be rushed out the door. If you're aware of NRS (MK devs) company culture it sadly paints a similar picture to what MVS is going through in terms of the games being rushed out the door with insane crunched hours and engine switches (MK1). So it's something in the fighting game division that either A. Prevents them from taking delays or B. The teams rather power through the crunch release the game as is and fix it as they go along. I want the game to do well and have success but we gotta start asking questions as to why fighting game devs get tested like this, and while I can feel bad and have sympathy it still doesn't explain the slew of gameplay issues. Lastly to comment on the FGC people assisting in development. They work with PFG sure but I don't think they are directly involved in character changes and even if they are, respectfully it's a very different game/skill set. Pros assisting in development of competitive games has a very layered and complicated history over here in the west, that oftentimes lead to conflicting game design decisions because it's being targeted towards a group that's the 1% (me) of the playerbase. Sadly that's a whole conversation I'm not prepared to dive into the nuances of here in a TH-cam comment but the history of game dev and WB deserves a video for another time XD I'm pretty versed (or I try to be) in WB games lore due to the titles they've killed (I miss the f.e.a.r. franchise so much) so I hope I offered a bit more of my perspective
@@YungFalcon okay well thats fair. I misunderstood. I thought they had to remake the entire game in 9 months switching to UE5 and even popular UE5 releases tend to be riddled with bugs, Wuthering Waves 30 mill players $130 mill its first month. Palworld was extremely buggy, etc. from what ive heard UE5 is a lot more difficult to utilize but when you do the payoff is huge. thanks for the replies.
Never known people hate on something that was free so much in my life.
www.daretodoubt.org/cults got u fam
TF 😳
Hold that.
There's a lot of historical revisionism here, Doubles was NEVER the most popular game mode, not in beta, and not now. PFG has this data and made changes to the game to facilitate the mode most people were playing. People would much rather play 1v1 matches than go into doubles queue and have to pray that their teammate doesn't AFK or self-destruct.
th-cam.com/video/MPgKii4w5RA/w-d-xo.html Here's the vod of 2v2 being the main mode at evo2022. Not to mention the plethora of trailers showing off doubles as their main mode, and the reveal trailer for the game stating that they aimed for doubles/perks to be the main way to play. even in the video I state "1s only became the main mode because of the fanbase (paraphrase)" I'm acknowledging the fact that 1s is indeed the main mode, I'm arguing that 2s needs some slight system tweaks in order to convince more people to give it a try. Things like adding pings for spikes via emotes, Voice chat, Party up's after matches, the perk stacking coming back for coordination etc. I hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from with this mini-breakdown and sorry if it wasn't clear enough in the video.
And people say this game will surpass the nick all star community lmao
I still think everyone treated nasb1+2 unfairly... Maybe one day I'll do a video on those two
Beta felt better than the actual game, the game has dropped from 4 rating to 3.92, brawhalla has more players than multiversus lol hitboxes are just weird the dodge doesnt work at times parry only work sometimes fml i was rooting for this game but at the end of the day its the same company that made mk1 😂😂😂😂
Midway make mortal Kombat
@SuperSlash86 yeah true but midway is one out of the 6 developers, nrs is the main developer midway helped theem
Midway doesn't exist anymore @@SuperSlash86
@@rammyra4615 neither of them have anything to do with Multiversus. Your argument is with PFG & WB.
@SuperSlash86 lol I know I never said they made multiversus I was giving the reason why the game is so bugged and unfinished nothing to do with those developers making the game but wb games are terrible is my main reason
Im just ready for rank to be available and for more characters to drop
That's already in the game there are Global emotes like the salt shaker one and characters have character Pacific emotes and you can set them to any d-pad direction 11:49
That is not in the game? What? I'm talking about call outs akin to splatoon not general taunts disguised as emotes... You gotta go back and listen to what I said 11:45
@@YungFalcon oh I see what you mean thanks for explaining
I feel like you would have been a better game designer than this games whole damn team.
Nah thank the goat Keits of ki fame! The analogy used was perfect and I 100% quoted him for advice on looking into game tuning!
@@YungFalcon Fair mybad
is this game a beta still?
Basically 😂
@@Wavedashnoir this game is cursed 😅
They ruined the game. Ggs
Developers are too greedy to create a successful platform fighter with good IP.
woah, I've never been here this early
Really
I’m just… quitting. I’m not playing anymore. I refuse to spend any money. This game is up to its community to save it and I hope it works out
02:55 It's a free to play game
They deleted my feedback and banned me from the subreddit because I gave a full breakdown of all the issues and how it was an obviously rushed product meant to squeeze players of money
WHAT!? that's mad unfair LOL
@@YungFalcon what’s true tends to hit the hardest, they don’t want people to call them out and delete anything that isn’t praise from the subreddit from what I’ve seen.
Yeah peep my twitter mad defenders in the comments of me talking about how my reddit post got silenced. Thankfully the TH-cam algorithm is coming through
I can’t even load into a game with my friend game sucks beta was 10x better
In beta i can perry on time and cancel out actions, in this version i feel like i dont know how to play and i get stuck in a consistent hit lock stun animation, jumping in this game is risky cause i float down slow and i cant perry in air or attack back cause it sometimes dont register. Wtf i hate those WB dumb asses i hope this game fail cause its going in the favor or wack players who button smash while good players like me get punish for not playing wacky
They have 3-7 months left to fix the game, or it's going to die
See I hear you out and I see the complaining of the game but it is running on a new engine so some features are bound to not make it into the game unreal engine 5 is a big upgrade from what it ran and also the game been rush does not help so they had to cut some corners.
See I hear you out and I see some of the points your making. But I implore you too see my side as a person who's spent money, and invested time via tournaments hoping the game and it's scene would get better. The engine changes are not enough to justify why so many BETA features are missing on launch that I originally paid money for. Doubly considering that I paid money hoping they'd be accepted in the full release. Not to mention one of the reasons for the UE5 switch is because UE4 ---> UE5 is a pretty smooth upgrade that requires a bit of work sure to get assets and things set up correctly, but in totality is not that massive of a jump as people are led to believe. Case and point Epic's own fortnite engine swap during chapter 4. Which if you are unaware Epic owns Unreal engine and they often help AA/AAA devs when transitioning if the companies request help. They use the "updating of the engine" as a smoke screen to deflect from how rushed and unfinished the game has always been. Just my hot take.
Yeah nah I only play 1s Fck 2v2s
They need to do a better job of being consistent with content in my opinion the game is already getting boring .
cult like community is wild 😂
AYE MY B XD just had to get folk riled up a bit
The issues you raise are fair, most of all the network issues, but I do feel like you are being unfair, for example: in the downtime between beta and launch the devs remade the whole game in unreal engine, what is not in the full launch and was in the beta was not taken out of the game because the devs though we wouldn’t notice, they just wanted to rerelease the game as soon as possible (possibly ‘cause of wb) and now they are adding all the features of the beta back to the game.
On another note saying that the game isn’t really free to play is just wrong: having every free to play game be as accessible as, for example, Fortnite would be fantastic don’t get me wrong but it’s also very unrealistic and from what I have seen you can enjoy multiversus without paying tho you won’t be able to own all of the characters, witch is something you really cannot say for many games.
While I see some points. I'll have to agree to disagree with ya on that front. If you watch the video you'll see how a game like Fortnite and MVS are not comparable in terms of experience. While you may have fun with the 5 fighters on rotation, some players straight up can't enjoy themselves which means they'd have to buy new fighters or a previously played fighter which cost a insane amount of time to grind or real life money. I ask again is that free? secondly I paid money for this game, I did not ask PFG to swap to UE5 no one did actually. and even if they swapped to UE5 delay the game to 2025 that's a big deal! Take the time to add everything back, even if WB is pressuring them the devs can still put their foot down and say "nah we need time" or ask for external help. Believe it or not you'll see this a ton in the call of duty dev cycle which is yearly. My money is basically going straight into their fortnite/netflix items shop hybrid and I can't even enjoy the game online in 2's or 1's because of how bad the new servers/netcode is ESPECIALLY for xbox users. As a consumer how is that "unfair" to the devs for calling them out on this when MY money went towards a product that OBJECTIVELY does not work. Just some food for thought. I enjoy MVS i'mma still play it, but I will also start being more critical as a consumer
@@YungFalcon I’m not saying that it wouldn’t be better if it had a more free to play friendly experience, I am on the other hand saying that it seems foolish (at least to me) to think that just any game could work with a business model similar to Fortnite’s (I have no doubt that Fortnite itself would be much less free to play had it not been so incredibly mainstream for a while) especially not a game with gigantic ips such as Multiversus; on the other hand I’m not going to argue that the PvE system is anything less than predatory as it is now, even still I think that the game as a whole can be perfectly enjoyable free if a bit grindy at the beginning.
Also, while it’s obvious that it would have been better if the devs took their time to fix the game and deliver it as a complete package, I’m not whether we would still have a game to criticize if the people at PFG had put their foot down: this is WB we are talking about I don’t now if they would rather wait a year for a competent full release or just refund the people that spent on the beta and let the game be forgotten.
I haven’t spent money on the game so I might just be less invested in it than you but it seems harsh to me to call the devs incompetent or incapable of making the game (tho they are undeniably late).
im sorry but 2's is so boring and my ps4 can't handle it
I mean I don't find 2s boring at all I think it's really fast paced and fun to coordinate with people! Sorry your PS4 can't handle 2s although that's the first I'm hearing of the issue definitely should post a bug/feedback report to PFG
@@YungFalcon i've talked 2 so many ppl and they said the same, the console kicks you out of the game immediately
That might be more of a server issue than a PS4 exclusive problem as PS5 players have posted similar findings! Please report it to PFGs over on the WB bugs website
@@YungFalcon will do ty