EPIC new Terran mech* strategy! StarCraft 2 (herO vs TY)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2023
- SC2 Global StarCraft 2 League 2023 - TY returns to GSL in dramatic style with MASS SIEGE TANKS against herO's reckless tactics in this epic Terran vs Protoss Series!
*TY loves playing mech...but only after a healthy breakfast of losing bio to splash damage
StarCraft 2 Legacy of the Void - Global StarCraft League Code S 2023 Season 2 RO8 - TY (Terran) vs herO (Protoss) - Best of 3
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"TY is like an onion. If you try to unpeel his defenses, you're just gonna end up crying" 😂😂😂😂
That onion joke definitely deserves more likes
Winter got bars
So many layers in that joke that I wanted to cry!
@@noclafczoh ya onions
No
Thanks for the time you put into such good casting ! ♥ you're the best
the start of game two is why I love winter as a caster. Great games as always. Glad to see TY again!
"I was a child once... citation needed" lmao, love these casts
I do love Dark's disregard for more players. He definitely seems like he has better things to do than play a full macro game against everyone but the top 1 or 2 players of any race. So he goes straight to some ladder cheese, and he closes games out with quick low effort play.
Man Winter is in full tilt today. Nice work man, keep up the great casting and the even greater starcraft games.
@6:10 Space SCVs normally operate between 0 and 1 atmospheres of pressure. Water has atmospheric pressure much higher than 1. Very realistic.
Thank you for the cast ❤
Hero really is the anti showtime. His defense usually lets much to desire and he cant keep zerglings out of his base for the life of him, but he does have great offensive capabilities. I just really wish he would put in the work and clean up his early game, that would help him so much.
Winter your casting skills are hilarious I would love to see you cast any game
I was meaning to pull up a different video, but this thumbnail just grabbed me. Excited to watch!
I love how Her0 just fully understood he could get a few zealots in behind the wall, take out the missile turrets and just completely flip the game on its head with one warp prism. Her0 better than any other top-tier pro knows what its like to lose a game from leaving your wall open. I liked TY's strat if maybe he somehow got enough money to build the iron bank and kept the wall up maybe that tank heavy comp would work.
Loved that final game. So satisfying~
Sometimes you have to sacrifice units like zealots and stalkers in favor of producing other higher level units...they're Kamikaze units, so whatever damage they cause is just a bonus to their sacrifice
Thank you for all the good casting!
Terran Mech vs Protoss? I am excited to look forward to what's in this one.
There was an actual mech game in TY vs Classic that went to late game mass BC during the group stage.
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@@Matt-ln7lb thanks for letting me know! I shall check this out
Even if TY doesn't make it I'd still watch since he's one of the only Terrans that goes 2 or more factories against Protoss
Really a battle of two greats. Her0 is always my hero, him and max showing what toss can do!
i feel like a few blue flame hellions/hellbats would greatly help with base defences
GG, sick games
Thank you for all you do for sc2. Love your content, what do we have to do to get some BLHeroes back?!
soon™
I guess we have to play some SC2 again so there is actual bronze games 😂
Maybe it’s the first time I noticed the music in the back but it made it this video so dramatic 😂
Thank u
love your energy
have a good one
Hey Winter, here's a suggestion, can you cast old school sc2 games like way back then, with players like Huk, Stephano, MVP, Life and etc. Just like the Bronze League Heroes, you can call that segment 'Old School Classics" that would be awesome with you casting it.
that was a wild series.
For the algorithm, love TY!
That dog riff had me dying. Where does this come from !
41:21 Widow mine is probably a top 3 Zerg unit for me
go go go
TY is really good. Reminds of Flash SC1 Play style.
Yep theboinion joke was great 👍
The best caster out there hands down.Winter out here in the summer.
Winter was a bit more unbridled in this video - these are my favorite types of casts. Thank you,Winter ^^
Thank You
om nom nom
Hard to see your player lose but great commentary as always!
"How many SCVs does it take to kill an Archon!?" Lol
was that stalker stuck between minerals ? at minute 5.45 gametimer(7)
2:00 like how does the adept see it?
So according to liquipedia, a mule repairs at the same rate as an SCV.
I wonder if we could bring back the valkyrie attack from brood war for the liberators? I love/miss the rapid missiles. Just from a spectacle and love of over the top attack animations. Maybe take away the thor missile AA and give that job to the liberators? I too would like to see more siege tanks and vikings.
Also, as a terran myself, I think ghosts are too strong because they have the answer to all matchups, from a design perspective. The snipe answers all (not efficiently against small mass produced but the autoattack kind of does) zerg stuff and some of the more dangerous protoss amd the EMP works well against the spellcasters as well. EMP is way too good against Protoss, IMO, because it takes out energy and shields, things lots of Protoss units need, and like I said before snipe takes care of some dangerous units as well. Nuke is good against what Terran is famous for, siege and defense. While this may not be what actually happens in most games it is a good counter to it, emp and snipe are less useful but have places. Its weirdly the only matchup that the ghost isn't the be all answer. This isn't a balance complaint because I don't actually play SC2 but I would like to watch games of TvP and TvZ where ghosts aren't the MVP unit. The ability to cloak on top of it is just kind of the insult icing on the injury cake. I think splitting up some of these duties to the raven would be ideal because ravens are good but not used as much because ghosts are so much better in these matchups. I like the ghosts having a snipe ability because it fits so well. I think switching EMP to something else would be ideal. Make them assasin units and give them a mine ability like a single target mine that prioritizes energy bar units or something so they have a usefull backline ability and give the raven the AOE stuff. IDK switch the EMP and interference matrix so the ghosts are single target and ravens are aoe. I just don't like the EMP against protoss because it's seems really lame to see the protoss making a push and then a couple EMPs force the retreat. I think if antiarmor missile from ravens gave a percent based damage increase to shields only and didn't have the antiarmor effect on shields it would be more interesting than EMP and it still keeps its regular effect once shields are gone. That way its an answer to protoss shields but for any unit comp but still favors rapid firing units for the hp part of the protoss. Doesn't change the other matchups either. I guess the loss of the ability to drain energy is annoying but it does seem secondary to the main effect. The place it loses is the answer to zerg spellcasters but snipe also does that. I think if EMP were gone it would open up the ability for snipe to be buffed/changed. Maybe it has a small target AOE, just for targeting not AOE damage, and it prioritizes the energy units and if there aren't any it targets the highest hp unit. It makes it better against the bio based spellcasters and keeps the utility of taking out high value nonspellcaster targets but doesn't require as much precision as I think that's why EMP is used against zerg spellcasters over just sniping them.
I think SC2s biggest misstep was when LotV was so focused on those big micro spectacle moments. It was trying to compete with MOBAs constant action for spectators and MLG purposes, but I think it went overboard when combined with the starting worker count increase and lowered resource amounts on bases. I think that change was all that was really needed to make the game more exciting to watch because it sped up the start of the game and made it less likely for people to die from early eco damage so being more aggresive was much more viable. Combined with the need to expand more and quicker I think even HotS would have been much more action packed and achieve the more exciting broadcast games they wanted. Though I do not miss the era of PvZ swarm hosts vs carrier stalemates.
Average noob player thinking their experience with the game has any bearing on game balance. listen my friend the game has been rebalanced probably over 10000 times. Win rates across all races at all levels of play are literally even. You sit here whining that ghosts are good ( assuming perfect positioning perfect micro and that you aren’t looking away at the wrong moment since ghosts are literally made of glass) but the truth is without them Terran would have literally no answer to outdoing Pisstoss splash damage and high HP. Zerg can literally pull tanks out of positioning with their casters. Without counter casters terran has no chance. snipe had already been nerfed into the ground being interrupt-able. They already took our big EMP radius away making it impossible to actually hit any significant portion of the enemy army. Taking EMP away would give terran no answer to enemy casters (who are chock full of game ending spells) and make fighting high hp high shield pisstoss units go from difficult to impossible even with perfect micro
You are unhappy with widow mines; would it change if they couldn't target flying units?
Dark is ferocious and is underrated.
Winter calling Her0 the Lord of Chaos while casting a game where Dark is RIGHT THERE LUL.
Polarity Charge LET’S GO
You should pretend that Jimmy I'd in the rest room and you have to pause the replay to bang on the door for the "like #"
As Sun Tzu said, "Back off and expand bro."
That f*cking prism... one should have a couple of Wraiths just to chase down these Overlords and prisms... you kill a fair few of those for Zergs and Protoss, and you can basically negate a massive strategy for them (potential Nydus and Prism warps into the Terran base)...
7:30 Holy shit that was a sloppy attack! Did Has take the controller from her0?!
Tis odd there is flying units but no water units
Does Winter have a Rumble?
Winter i love you ❤. Greetings from Germany.
Actually you cant use spaceships/scvs in water, because the preasure difference inner and outer is only 1 bar to 0 bar. But 30 meter under water it is 1 bar to 3 var difference.😅
Was this a bronze league heroes and I didn't see the opening?!
Today we learned that disruptors counter tanks. And that turrets can ruin the day of even the best players.
Most of the time Tanks counter Disruptors. Only when the nova doesn't need to be microed and can move in a straight line can it reach full range.
@@hivetech4903 Or there's other units in the battle to draw fire from the tanks. They don't have to be sniped to be effective. We saw that here.
MaXPax is clearly the Great Dane, not a Golden Retriever, and I will die on thiis hill!
Stalker range buff idea: give +2 attack on the next attack after blinking
Yes and why not +20 bonus damage and 5 seconds immortality...
@@smarty-br8og I understand it is imposible to talk about this without someone telling you you are wrong. So I will elaborate:
Protoss is weak right now, I know you will disagree but I don´t care, and neither do the statistics.
Winter metioned buffing stalker range as a possible buff. I tried to add on that. I belive change i proposed would be healthier for the game, reward good micro and fit into the playstyle stalkers are meant to be played.
you could have objected in so many ways, many of them valid. But you choose a starwman and a "reductio ad absurdum". dismissing my coment as absurd and trying to discredit it.
@@josemontes478 What do you mean protoss is weak?! TY had hige advantage in that first early and mid game and then still lost to stalkers, zealots and disruptors... Rewarding good micro?! Like jumping into the main and dodging mine hits isn't broken enough?
@@smarty-br8og
Sure let's base all the balance discussion on how this particular game played out.
As I said before: I know you will disagree but I don´t care. In Spain we have a saying. "No one is blinder than me man who refuses to see".
lastly, even though I know it's pointles... I will try to refute your arguments.
Why is it fair for terran to be able to fly their entire army into the main on medevacs? and then fly out and back again in the time it takes blank to recharge? why is it fair for battle-cruiser to just fucking jump in and out of combat? why do widow mines have cloak? why does EMP work on buildings? why does terran get to use the exact same build for 10 years and not get punished? why can two marauders kill a colussus? why can terran repair their units and buildings? why do reapers heal? mules? scans? nukes? why don´t protoss get to do this things?
The answer to all of this questions is simple: they are the tools terrans have to win the game. all of them make the game intersting and stop it from being an "A move" numbers game. Asymmetrical balance is the key.
And if all of these things are OK. Why can´t protoss jump into the main? or teleport zealots into the main? or recall? or cannon rush?, or use storm?, or avoid widow mine hits? or any other thing that protoss do that annoy you. you make it sound like widow mines MUST kill all of the units otherwise it wouldn't be fair.
Protoss have their tools and terrans have their tools. And right now protoos´s (funny word) are not as good.
@@josemontes478 Dude, this discussion is pointless. You are complaining about things that have been around for years. Every now and then someone is not going to like something in the game and the balance changes can go on forever...
So, TY gets himself far ahead, up in workers, up in supply by about 50 at one point, ahead in upgrades but Protoss can still win?
Don't worry Winter, you aren't crazy, TY did in fact cancel Building Armor
Man, you need more Bronze league heroes episode
This is absurd I will study and copy.
I'm starting to think this game isn't realistic, lol best statement I've heard in awhile 😅
God I really do love watching Terran lose.
mech without mech???
wow, protoss is really strong in this patch.
The zergs will gettem nerfed again next patch
Bank off and expand bro 😂😂😂😂
EPIC new Terran mech? EPIC fail yes :P.
9999 likes..man thats like the whole sc2 community...twice
Is this an effective strategy, or it works because the others has never faced it and dont have the good answer to it, and then it becomes viable? Who knows.... maybe a bit of both
Its not effective if you lose, and he did, so its not.
Second Starport or second Factory after 8 Rax is normal and players face it all the time. What is weird is continuing with Factory 3 & 4 in the late game against Protoss... that's more of a TvZ transition... doubtful this will ever work at the highest level.
@WinterStarcraft, rather than pretend to quote from the Sun Tzu, you should seriously read The Art of War. You can have Littlefinger read you the whole thing in an hour on Audable. Its an entire book of quotes on how to outthink your opponent from Grandmaster Sun Tzu.
“If your enemy is secure at all points, be prepared for him. If he is in superior strength, evade him. If your opponent is temperamental, seek to irritate him. Pretend to be weak, that he may grow arrogant. If he is taking his ease, give him no rest. If his forces are united, separate them. If sovereign and subject are in accord, put division between them. Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected .”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Sun Tzu's art of war is a preschool text for stupid rich general who got promotions based on corruption, nepotism and cronyism. Anyone with half a brain should not bother reading Art of War, its trash. Its filled with such gems as "feed your troops, because they need food to fight", and "dont fight battles you clearly cannot win", and "pay attention to what your opponent is doing"... Literal garbage. If in the 21st century anyone is surprised by any information in that book, they should be ashamed.
I always root for terran. If Bly played MaxPax I would root for HeroMarine. (Unless Raynor is playing).
I'd like to see immortals get one of two upgrades...either blink, or ability to target air units (both would be great, but probably OP)
This comment is for the algorithm babyyyyyy
Back off and expand bro. ~Sun Tzu
I love the design of Liberators...for protoss. Should've been a protoss unit instead of Tempest. Maybe they could've brought back scouts and give them the 'liberator' siege mode upgrade. Get rid of the stupid phoenixes and give Toss liberators. Or, corsairs. Give Terran better tank armor. Its sad to see them get ripped apart by literally everything.
Speak for yourself - most players regard Phoenix as one of if not the best designed unit in the game, with a high micro ceiling & multi-purpose special ability.
24:00 you play zerg....
-terren(remove widow mine cloak and armor and keep bainling speed and armor) this is effectively what you said
Idk what's up with you?
@winterstarcraft have you ever done a sub goal reward or similar where the reward was you made a mini ABC Family style drama featuring Brenda and the queens. If not - i would donate at least $100 for it. Two minutes that's all i ask. You probably don't even need a script, just wing it. Karen gets caught leaving slime trails all over Megan's breeding estuary again and this time Megan's gonna have her forbidden lover Ricky the Swarm Host take her out of the game for good. Go 😂
ооо нет морпехи медиваки танки не могут победить дизрапторов+темпестов +гейтмясо как так?
т1 юниты проиграли т3 как так??? где баланс?? (сарказм)
Imagine caring about starcraft 2 when the superior broodwar version exist. (most likley only koreans care).
> Polarity Change
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protos has much more powefull untirs, i am sorry but SC2 Imba
yeah TY sucks. needs to go back to GM
you are my favorite caster, i love harstem and pig but you are the best, actually just kidding Jimmy is #1 hes the real hero