“Applying DNA to Greek Genealogy” by Sam Williams (1/31/2021)
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- International Greek Ancestry Conference (Jan. 29-31, 2021) - Session VII: New Research Methodologies
Have you taken a DNA test only to be shocked by your ethnicity results? Discover common ethnicity estimates for Greeks from different regions, why they’re different, and why your results are perfectly normal!
For more information about the International Greek Ancestry Conference, take a look at the conference's website: greekancestry.net/conference/
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My grandmother was a Greek of Asia Minor, from the Nikomedia area, who was deported as a young woman from the new state of Turkey in 1922-23. My grandfather was a Greek (Peloponnesian) fighting with the Greek army there and met her at some point. They were reunited through the church in Alexandria and married there. I doubt she had any Turkish ancestry, the Ionian and Pontic Greeks really didn’t assimilate with the Turks as the Cappadocians did. Assimilated and converted Greeks weren’t deported, they blended into the majority population.
Alexander the Great was a Greek of the Greek Kingdom of Makedon and he was not Illyrian and there is no evidence that today Albanians are Illyrian descendants ....it's possible , but isnt sure ...
The fact that there is a genetic overflow among Southern Italy, Greece and Western Turkey is often understimated. Even Homer reffered to the sikanians as closer to the minoans, and that's why the sikanian King kokalos granted refuge to Daedalus and later Minos: because they had tigh relations
Absolutely!
We are greek from levant ☦️🇬🇷
I've only been to Greece once. The first contact in Athens was a breakfast place. And the shop girl was surprised when we couldn't use the language that we were a foreigner. We bought some things with a little English. The girl was still in shock. He thought we were Greeks. The young male friends in the video are people we might encounter in Turkey and would not guess would be foreigners. This genetic commonality has been going on since long before the Ottomans. This commonality is not limited to genetics. Music continues with partnerships such as Kitchen Lifestyle. While this initially continued under the leadership of the Greeks, it changed in favor of the Turks with the Turkish population movements after 1071. The fact that Turkish culture is widely Muslim and over time causes the people who use the Turkish language to become Muslims and Turkish subjects, while the opposite situation causes many Turks to become Christian and Greek under the influence of the Church. Possible natural causes cause genetic transmission of Turks and Greeks to each other. It is impossible for these people who lived in the same neighborhoods and villages before 1900 not to have biological contact.
Very informative Thank you all in this clip :)
Great presentation, thanks for sharing.
I come from an Island in the Greek Cyclades by 3/4 and by 1/4 from an Island in the Eastern Aegean.We were excluded in our villages for thousands of years and we got married to each other.Marriages took place even between second cousins.My DNA test showed me the same as Southern Italy and Sicily.Also my Island in antiquity had founded colonies in Makedonia.
We greek from the levant ☦️🇬🇷
The notion of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes has been a persistent narrative, often used to foster a sense of unity and historical continuity. However, a closer examination reveals the complexity and diversity within the Greek population, challenging the simplistic portrayal of ethnic homogeneity and direct lineage from the ancient Hellenes.
To begin with, Greece has been a crossroads of various civilizations throughout history, including interactions with Albanians, Romans, Byzantines, Ottomans, and others. This rich history of cultural exchanges has inevitably left an imprint on the ethnic composition of the region. Genetic studies indicate a diversity of influences, reflecting the historical interactions and migrations that have shaped the genetic makeup of the Greek people. This diversity challenges the notion of a singular, homogeneous ethnic origin.
Moreover, the concept of ethnicity itself is complex and dynamic. It is not solely determined by genetic factors but is also influenced by cultural, linguistic, and historical elements. While the Hellenes were indeed one of the ancient tribes in the region, claiming a direct ethnic lineage from them oversimplifies the intricate processes of cultural assimilation, intermixing, and acculturation that have occurred over centuries.
Language, often considered a key marker of ethnic identity, also presents complexities. The modern Greeks language belongs to the Indo-European family but is distinct within this linguistic group. While it has roots in the Hellenic language, linguistic evolution and influences from Latin, Slavic, and other languages have contributed to its unique character. This linguistic complexity challenges the notion of a straightforward, unbroken linguistic continuity between ancient Hellenic and modern Greek.
Historical records further complicate the narrative of ethnic homogeneity. The region has witnessed migrations, invasions, and changes in political control, all of which have contributed to the diversity within the Greek population. The medieval period, for example, saw the influx of various groups, including Slavs and Normans, leaving lasting cultural and genetic impacts.
In conclusion, the idea of Greeks being ethnically homogenous and direct descendants of the Hellenes is a simplistic narrative that does not fully capture the complexity of Greece's history and the diversity within its population. Genetic, linguistic, and historical evidence points to a more nuanced and multifaceted reality, highlighting the need to approach the question of Greek identity with a recognition of the intricate processes of cultural evolution and interaction that have shaped the region over millennia.
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I'm Turkish and half of my family is from Western Anatolia, the other from Southern Anatolia.I had a test from MyHeritage and i came out almost 60 % native Anatolian, 28 % Greek/Southern Italian, i even have 5 % Irish/Scottish/Welsh. Anatolian Turks are very diverse ethnically but they're mainly native Anatolian.
Geeks wrongly believe they are direct descendants of the ancient Spartans or Athenians or even Myceneans , which is totally wrong . From the continental part of Greece , they are similar to the Balkan inhabitants . In the Islands they are closer to Anatolian populations . As a whole , their ancestry is seriously affected by countless repopulations from Asia Minor or other parts of the Eastern Roman Empire . To be mentioned that not even in Antiquity , were they genetically same people . Myceneans , Dorians were obviously Indo-Europeans which subdued older local populations with Anatolian farmers roots , called Pelasgians by some .
LOL , First all that's not how you spell GREEK . Obviously you hate GREEKS . You are a MUSLIM TURKO ALBANIAN SHQIPTAR ARNAOUT OTTOMAN . Albanians have NO ALPHABET , THE PSEUDO ALBANIAN LANGUAGE IS A HYBRID MIX OF GREEK , TURKISH, SLAVIC , VLACH AND ARABIC. Your religion ISLAM is in ARABIC . Albanians are Invaders from CAUCASUS .
Tell me you’re an Albanian without telling me you’re an Albanian. Do they teach this bs in school? Or do you think discrediting Greek ancestry will prove your argument?
I cannot tell you , because I am not an Albanian . What I can tell you is that you are an_imbecile Greek fed with nationalistic propaganda , like most of the Balkanics . And I can tell you that your are not the descendants of Pericles and Leonidas , because you are too_dumb, lazy and corrupt to be .@@malamatinas1
LOL TURKO ALBANIAN MUSLIM
@@mickeymouse1697 MALAKA
I'm half Greek Cypriot.. i got 50.3% Greek on my results... I'm pretty happy with that 😄
Cyprus is Turkish. Southern Epirus is Albanian.
@@southepirote7676 There's a book you should read it's very good it will help you alot... It's called Atlas.
@@shaolindreamswhy do Greeks look so different to each other like they belong to various ethnicities, such as Albanians, Turks, Vlachs and Slavs? 😂
@@southepirote7676We are pretty similar so you trying to insult us having more variation only makes you look dumb. I've seen ginger Albanians, are they not Albanian?
@@shaolindreams I have never in my life seen a ginger Albanian. If what you say is true then he is most likely mixed. The thing with Greeks on the other hand is that some are the height of a dwarf while some are tall. The tall ones suggesting they are most likely Albanian descent.
Greeks I think over 4 century BC were around 10m in Mediterranean which was a large % population of that world (around10%) . Nowadays is the same which means over centuries which make sense change nationality etc
These companies should stop trying to link someone's ancestry with modern day countries because things get complicated for no reason. Culture, language and religion don't really matter when it comes to genes.
Greeks, Albanians, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Turks are the same people more or less and they differ let's say from Arabs or Slavs or Berbers. That's what matters. Bring an Albanian or Croat or Romanian to Greece, teach him the language, make him orthodox Christian and voila you got yourself a Greek. Do the same with a Pakistani or an Ethiopian and you'll never make a Greek out of him. Why? Because they look different when compared to other Greeks.
My dark brown father with a Greek name and Greek last name that was born and raised in Greece and said his entire life he's Greek, says "hello". From the other world, because my dad died in 2010 at the age of 65. Yes, this goes back decades. Many many decades. Along with a huge chunk of population of Greeks who are not pale white like Slavs usually are. Because Greeks are not pale white, darling, and you better stop with the racism right there. If you're pale white, chances are you're mixed, honey. Same as my ancestors were mixed, but not with Slavs.
@@aeonia_anassa I never mentioned skin colour anywhere. Obviously there are dark brown (like Indians) skinned Greeks. Gray too (like Berbers). These skin colours can be found all around Mediterranean. For these cases anthropology has the answers, not genetics. Facial features and bone structure are different in dark brown Greeks and South Asians so we can easily tell them apart.
@@aeonia_anassa the dna tells you if you are an ancient greek
They wrote about dna
"Greeks, Albanians, Italians, Spanish, Portuguese, Serbs, Croats, Bulgarians, Turks are the same people more or less"
Your categorization is pseudo-science based on ad-hoc personal analogies
Wrong old Turks has nothing to do with this list, same for Slavic nothing to do with list !
First Slavic came as Roman’s empire and Greek slave from…
Second old Turks were asiatic mongols , the strategy of old Turk was kidnapping of youth boys from Grecce Albania Hungary Romania etc and this child become “soldier of turkey” this person like Vlad Dracula (was kidnapped by Turks) and many others or from Albania Greece etc this boys “were used “ as sperm in “old Turkey” and from 1400 - 1900 European genes come to use in the Turkey !!!
This is the strategy !
Same as Roman use to Greek tribes but in the case of Turkey , European male kidnapped in Turkey were used even for solider but even as sperm to marry girl of otoman asiatic (old turkish) , for this modern Turkish are a mix of genetic and aren’t same as “old turkish of 1350-1420) !
This mean that this is the reason why coantandinolos and Rome has much more inhabitants in ancient times in modern times , Istanbul is the new “modern mix “ of East European - Balkans - Greek and asiatic Turks genetic or other but In fact Bulgaria and Greece are closer to Turkey and closer they are higher is the possibility of sex mix genetic …
You can see in youtube:
1) ( The History of the Greeks)
2) (Ancient Greek Cities in Italy - Magna Graecia)
3) (What the Calabrian Greek sounds like)
4) (Griko language)
5) (History of Sicily, ancient period)
6) (History Of Greek Colonies In Sicily)
7) (History of the Byzantine / Eastern Roman Empire)
8) (Why Italy is north / south divided?)
yes this Magna Grecia or maybe Piana dei Grecci ,are Albanians from Pelopppones ,dont thing with minde from to day .
@@kocoqape8061🤡🤡🤡🤡
THE GALABRII WERE ILLYRIAN SO WERE THE IAPODY OF APULIA AND THE SICANI OF SICILY AND THE PEICI DARDII AND THE DAUNII
@@SpartanLeonidas1821Come to the village and speak Greek. They are Arbereshe. This is fact and the Galabrii were Dardanians.
@@ahad1609 I was just in Bova this summer speaking to everyone in Greek! 🤣
There is similarity in the Genotype between Greeks and Albanians, but there is a big difference in the Phenotype. An Albanian is easily distinguished from a Greek.
Indeed, that is because Greeks are orthodox Albanians heavily assimilated by the Greek orthodox church. Albanians are taller and overall more attractive. While Greeks are shorter and not pleasing to the eye.
@@southepirote7676
You are not a serious person😄
@@southepirote7676You certainly don't know much about history but at least you are funny!
@@user-kv6bu7ws2h Yes you're right, only Greeks/philogreeks know the "true history" 😂
@@southepirote7676 the only attractive Albanian is the Slavo Albanian.And ......only the last 20 years since they could ....have.... eaten.
Fascinating! As an English person I am trying to understand this discussion and the comments attached through the lens of England/Wales/Cornwall/Scotland Celts/Anglo-Saxons/Normans/Vikings which I understand more naturally and instinctively. I think the Greek scenario is ten times more complex.
Yes, our history is pretty complex indeed! We are at sea cross road of Mediterranean and to the boarder of three continents!
I'm part Cypriot but comes up 25% Italian and 5% Greece thessaly
And Around 20% Egypt and tiny percentages of Nigerian etc
I'm confused can you help please?
My parents were born in Mannissa and Yalova, Pursa. They toots are now in California 😢
Like south italy from which period
Cypriot from wich period
Unless you have Central Asian/East Asian/South Asian-related haplogroups it is quite unlikely you would have 'Turkish' ancestors. More than likely it would simply mean that you and an Anatolian Turk are likely to share common native Anatolian ancestors who were Greek-speaking and before that probably also speakers of one of the native Anatolian languages.
On LivingDNA, DNAGenics, and ADNTRO my Ashkenazi results are very similar to a Greek person’s results (Southern European and Middle Eastern). I have some eastern Sephardic Ancestry from Thessaloniki. On a PCA chart Ashkenazim, Southern Italians, and Greeks all cluster together.
Sam I was one of father paulsons first altar boys .but my sister did dna my mom was greek grandma was from Crete. Grandpa from Corfu they were not from pop exchanges and orothdox greek speakers.dadwas American grandpa was scotch Irish from West WV fam been in VA since 1730 grandma's parents came from South of Naples and she was one of 3 out of 15 brothers and sisters born in America.my sister's results were greece Belkin 43 .italy 21.german Europe 12.england Wales northwestern Europe 10. Ireland Scotland 6.sardinia 3.norway 2.middle east 1.sweden 1
Turkey Caucasus 1.no. Jew or subsharan far I can. And I got a Irish last name
Greeks can be genetically separated into 3 categories; standard mainland Greeks which would include Greek Macedonians, Epirotes, Thessalians, Rumeliotes, and Peloponnesians but not necessarily Maniots. This mainland Greek component genetically clusters with Southern Albanians, Bulgarians, and to a lesser degree Tuscany and Central Italy. The second genetic category of Greeks would include Cretans and East Med Greek Islanders; Dodacanese, Cyclades, Northern Aegean, etc This second category is pretty distant genetically from the first “mainland” Greek grouping and tends to cluster with Southern Italians and Sicilians. The third “more Eastern” shifted group would include Pontic Greeks, Anatolian Greeks and Cypriots who are less Caucasus and A bit more Levantine.
@Dabi Are you talking to me because I'm actually a 1/4 Arvanite and cluster quite closely with Albanians. So what's your point?
Well, there are two reasons why Greeks and Albanians cluster closely to eachother. The first one is the obvious, they share geographical borders meaning that intermarriages were common, both during and prior to the Ottoman empire:
1) Southern Albania was populated by Greeks before Albanians arrived there.
2) Albanian speakers migrated to southern Greece and settled in various regions (including Epirus).
3) The coastal side of northern Albania was populated by Greeks and Romans when the Principality of Arbanon became a thing.
The second reason is that Albanians (no matter what origin you believe Albanians to have - all the prominent theories about the Albanians concern paleo-Balkan populations, ie Thracians, Illyrians, Dacians, Dardanians, etc) have high paleo-Balkan DNA, as do the Greeks, in contrast to the Slavic speakers. This is evident by Lazaridis’ paper on Myceanean and Minoan DNA. Personally, I believe that Albanians descend from a Dacian tribe/tribes from the Carpathians who migrated to the Diocese of Dacia and only made it to modern-day (northern) Albania in the 6th-7th century.
@@Elstocks21 that would explain the similarities with Romanian
So who’s the most indigenous in the southern Balkans?
@@ajj403 There’s no level of indigenuity. No one is more indigenous that the other. What we call ”southern slavs” for instance is just the product of slavic intermix with the indigenous peoples of the Balkans. It doesn’t make them any less indigenous than say Greeks.
@@ajj403 If we take it by genetics, it’s the Greeks. But even then, there’s the problem of what exacly is classified as ”indigenous” in the Balkans. Were the Minoans indigenous? Were the Bithyni indigenous Anatolians after having lived there up til the Hellenization under Rome?
It’s hard to answer that since the answer itself can vary depending on what the parameter is set on.
Sam, why don't you mention Aegean Island levante etc, etc, and what about Arbresh Byzantine people in Italy and around the world and more snd more I think you need to do updates because you are very late in updates my dear
If you think that DNA didn’t happen over night,you have to think that it was empty land at one point and people moved where they could farm their animals or grow wheat and they didn’t have a nationality they had language and they took that with them.And if no one came to replace them in that land than the language would stay,religion started to seperate us even if we were the same people.My mother in law is from Napoli in Itali and she told me that if you go 30km in any direction from where she lived they have a different dialect so if you know the history you would know why.
Yes, your mother she was right because in Italy there are multiple mixed ethnicities and yes they are 3 Italian ethnicities which none of them aren't the same theyvare South Italian ethnicity northern Italian ethnicity and Sardines ethnicity and they are lots different ethnicity like they are Arbresh byzantine ethnicity they are balkanas slavik which are people from Turkey Bulgaria Romanian Hungary chekoslovakien Austria Slovenia Croatia and Bosna and they are Caucasian Anatolian Cyprus agean Island levante baltic Arabic pensiluan Eastern Persian irakiam Iranian Mongolian Eastern European&Russian African Ethiopia bangalli egjiptian German English France so yes they are multiple mixed ethnicity and yes she was right 100%
One part I’d like to point out is that Greek Jews/Romaniote DO NOT identify as Greek in most cases, but simply Jewish. Arvanites, Slavika, Vlachs, etc. do identify as Greek though.
Greek orthdox of levant im greek from levant 🇬🇷☦️
Im Mexican. My dna results came back with Cypriot, Spanish, native american and west African.
What is the name of Greek haplogroup
Thank you 😊
On Sunday, November 6, 2005, an article was published in the newspaper "Apogevmatini tis Kyriakis" entitled "The DNA of the Greeks is clean" and with the subtitle "Research of Stanford Universities in the USA and Pavia in Italy" answers directly to Falmerager. The newspaper writes: "Impressive! The DNA of the Greeks (genetic composition) of the Greeks shows that 99.5% of them are pure Caucasians! (white race)
Which means that the contribution to the genetic composition of Greeks, other population groups than white, is a minimum percentage, less than 0.5%!
The DNA of the Greeks, as shown by a recent international scientific research, has not been influenced by Slavs, as some claim even by the Turks, despite 400 years of slavery!
The date of spread of the genetic group J12a1h-M319 in Crete , occurred around 3100 BC. and this date is extremely important. Because it marks the border in the Neolithic Age and the Bronze Age in Crete. A period during which we have great socio-political changes from which the Minoan civilization sprang. It shows that the Cretans are descended directly from their ancestors of the Minoan civilization.
In fact, we present to you a research of the University of Crete in 2012 for the Sfakion Bath which based on findings has human and therefore based on genetic code very Greek FINDINGS 120,000 years old!
The allegations that Crete was colonized by Egypt and Libya were completely refuted because the mononucleotide polymorphism (index V13), which is typical in Crete and Mainland Greece, was not found in the slightest. That is, the results showed that there has been no genetic contact between Africa and Crete and mainland Greece for the last 5,000 years.
Research has shown that modern Greeks are descended from the Greeks of the Neolithic era and the oldest Neolithic settlements have been found in Greece. It also appeared that the DNA of the Greeks is very characteristic and is the oldest in Europe.
Scientists pay special attention to the fact that after a long series of research no Mongolian origin was discovered in the DNA of the Greeks, because the Turks occupied Greece for 400 years and everyone expected that there would be some connection in the DNA of the two peoples. And yet the Greek DNA has not been affected in the slightest. On the contrary, the Arabs, who had occupied Spain, put their signature on the Spanish DNA and this can be seen from the research.
All the research that was done from Macedonia to Crete fully documents the genetic continuity and cohesion of the Greek population from antiquity (and from the Neolithic era) until today. Research in Europe has shown something particularly important that not only were the Greeks not genetically influenced by other peoples but instead transmitted their DNA to the rest of Europe.
Essentially this is the modern scientific answer to Falmerager's theories. Another theory that claimed that the ancient Greeks were black… Well, they were never black! There are many who supported and wrote about "Black Athena" (about the Goddess Athena) and many other theories without any scientific basis.
All these… anti-Greek - one might say - positions were demolished , not only by one research, but by seven different major scientific researches, of European and American researchers. Konstantinos Triantaphyllides, Professor of Genetics, Development and Molecular Biology at the Aristotle University of Thessaloniki (Aristotle University of Thessaloniki), and his research team participate in international research networks whose ultimate goal is to trace the biological history of European populations.
This research, which concerns the genetic composition of Greeks - and other peoples - was coordinated by Stanford University in the USA, Mr. Triantaphyllides' research team and the University of Pavia in Italy. Another 5 research laboratories from different countries (from Baghdad to Moscow) also participated. The results of this research were published in the American journal "Human Genetics".
We present to you the study of the Universities of Pavia and Stanford which was published as such in the World Scientific Community:
Stanford University of USA-Pavia university of Italy research of greek DNA.
Research Sumary:
1) The DNA of the Greeks is 99.5% WHITE. The research concluded that at a rate of over 99.5, the Greek DNA from the modern samples is the same as the DNA of the inhabitants of the areas based on the oldest samples taken from the same areas.
2) Contrary to the beliefs of many in Turkey and some Slavic nations of the former Yugoslavia, Greek DNA has not been affected, nor altered, by the mixture of Slavic or Turkish DNA, even if the Ottomans ruled much of Greece. for 400 years.
3) From a strong sample of 925 modern Greek DNA, only 0.4% showed non-white DNA.
4) To a large extent, the Greeks of ancient times "transferred" their DNA to other parts of Europe through their conquests. The study showed that, today, Greek DNA is more similar to: a) Italian DNA, b) French DNA, c) Spanish DNA, d) Turkish DNA.
5) In continuation of the above, The DNA of the Italians in modern southern Italy is the closest match to the DNA of their Greek neighbors.
6) Not only is the Greek genetic heritage clearly traceable today, but it is traceable not only among the Greeks, but also to all their neighboring populations of partial Greek origin, with clear genetic similarities.
Based on samples from all over Europe that were accurately dated, the following Genetic Material Antiquity Map was created:

The research goes even further:
Analysis of mitochondrial DNA found that test specimens were divided into 21 groups (haplotypes) and evaluated separately for each time period, in the Middle East and Europe.
Based on mathematical calculations, it is estimated that the DNA of Greek origin is as follows:
8% in recent years (about 3,000 years from today), 20% in the Neolithic period (9,000 to 3000), 44% in the last Upper Paleolithic period (14500-9000), 14.5% on average above Paleolithic era (26,000 to 14,500 years) and 11% in the early Upper Paleolithic era (45,500 -26,000).
According to the above, we have very clear examples of the existence of civilized life in Greece even 50,000 years ago!
And the research concludes as follows:
"Greek DNA has not changed in the last 3,000 years. "Greeks are Greeks themselves according to the modern science of genetics."
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We will go one step further and ask ourselves: But why no one refers to the unknown to the general public Greek populations outside Greece, such as the Greeks of Italy, the pobladores Griegos of Spain, the Hamedians of Syria, the Roman orthodox Lebanese, Pashtuns and Kalas in Asia, Araucanians in Chile, Ainu in Japan and others, who proudly assert their Greek origin? Why was no one assimilated to them? How can they be sure where they come from?
@@archonpanagiotis6158 You can't be more white than Scandinavian people also there is no genes of Turkish people in ex Yugoslavia also if you asking me personally i think that J haplogroup is Judeo-Arabic but hoewer big greatings for Greece and your people from Serbian Slavic
Sad the map legend 12:50. Whats that language on the eastern Blacksea?
My father is a Greek from a family that originated in the Peloponnesos, but has an Italian-origin patronym. I can’t wait for him to get tested, and I want a haplogroup analysis so I can follow the movements in time and space of my paternal ancestor group. My mother, who had a Dutch father, was surprised to discover she was English and Norwegian. In this case, I’m not sure how well the Germanic Anglo-Saxon genes can be distinguished from the Netherlandish ones. We do have documented ancestors in the Netherlands, after all.
Google 'Frankokratia'. Alternatively it may be later Venetian influence.
You mean Morea
Morea arvanite
It's doesn't matter where the people move, that thing is with which people they are mixed and 90% of greeks since always mixed with other greeks, mixing with Islamics is forbitten for a orthodox and over 80% are greek orthodox. Only the newer generation is mixed with some europenas. Population exchange back then is not the same as population mix. Some greeks were islamised in westanatolia and some in southern Italy, some in southern Albania and some in Macedonia. But the mainland and island greeks are almost pure. We know our culture and how we continue our existence. There are a lot of proves. The people who lived and live in Greek colonies carry Greek DNA, not the Greeks their DNA. Before the terrible spread of Islam and Christianity, Arabs/Egyptians were also "polytheists", which many forget. The various tribes around the Mediterranean that migrated to Greece formed the Hellenic ethnos. These came from Iran, the Caucasus, the Aegean, Egypt, etc. To be Greek is not to be an identical race, but to be different following the same ethnos. Language, culture, religion, etc. and it is precisely these tribes that have intermingled which makes them Greek!
Albanians are a mixture of Greeks Slavs and illyrians but the vast majority of the Albanians have Greek dna so albanian and Greeks and people of turkey are GREEKS
Don’t forget the world didn’t start when orthodox religion was invented,before any religion existed people still live there and that part of the world a lot different peoples lived there and went through there!
It doesn’t matter where the people move? Mainland Greeks have even Persian and Arabic blood in them. You are mixed there’s no such thing like 90%, 99% pure Greek blood.
@@ersgtr3421 Who is talking about homogeneous Greek blood here? You are confusing things ! The people who lived or migrated in Greek colonies carry Greek DNA, not the Greeks their DNA. Before the terrible spread of Islam and Christianity, Arabs/Egyptians were also "polytheists", which many forget. The various tribes around the Mediterranean that migrated to Greece formed the Hellenic ethnos. These came from Iran, the Caucasus, the Aegean, Egypt, etc. To be Greek is not to be an identical race, but to be different following the same ethnos. Language, culture, religion, etc. and it is precisely these tribes that have intermingled which makes them Greek!
@@user-if7lp1bq8n what? Did you just say they did not carry their DNA?
Dna test show very different, I have testet first myheritage and now ancestry. I am 3/4 greek with 1/4 from peleponese, 1/4 from west anatolia and 1/4 pontic greek. The last 1/4 is swedish. Now Myheritage showed that I had 43% ”balkan” (I don’t even know what that mean) then 25% italian, 10% greek and south italian, 7% finnish, 7% levantine, 5% north western european and only 4% anatolian (west asian).
Now this results did not answer my questions but made me more confused than anything. 43% balkan is nearly half of my dna and I don’t even know what balkan means. Is it slav, greek, pre-slav and greek peoples or maby a mix of all those… and only 4% anatolian and also no swedish.
Now I recentlh did ancestry and i personally feel that more accurate. It showed 30% greek and albanian, with my specific group being ”south greece” I then got 20% swedish and danish with my specific group being ”south sweden”, 20% balkan, 13% anatolia with the group being ”north anatolia” (connection to pontians), 8% east europe and russia (this was new), 4% south italy and last 3% levantine.
Now I feel that this dna test was way more accurate also with the specific groups nailing the areas. I feel also that the 43% balkan from myheritage whas a more general view, but ancestry gave me 20% balkan and 8% russian which may be that I have some south slavic dna that ancestry traced back to russia.
And I only got 4% south italy when I got 25% italian on myheritage which is the biggest differance I would say.
Why we albanian peaple are in 80% greek and 20% balkan albanish? In youre blood are the truth about the world, i can say u why the world will destroy the truth history off albanish peaple, slavic peaple make this, he made this like american peaple make this to indian peaple, the same things, the world is antisemit, we give the world a languege, we are older than history itself
I can say wat u are, the south greec and italian part, is youre true greece part, thats ur albanisch blood, 43%too, the russian part are ur assimilation from albanish in to slavic to manipulated the story about true greece, the asian part is an roma part all zigan have this part in hiis bloode,bulgarians rumanians, the true is u are albanians the russian oligarch come in 1930-80 and kill all peaple that talk albanish and kill all peaple that sayd he is an albanian, this is the true about this world.
@@whitezero3354 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sak594 dont lought cry better 😇
Balkan on myheritage refers to mostly slavic populations, romanians and north albanians
Are lot of Greeks in Albania too. some speak Greek and some don't.
Alot of Albanians in Greece you mean.... some speak Albanian and some don't....
@@southepirote7676 Yes, a lot of Albanians came to Greece since 90s , seeking jobs because Albania was way too poor.
But there are a lot of Greeks in Northern Epirus (South Albania) because it used to be Greek towns.
If only there were time-lapse video recorders (preferably with audio too) set up in ancient times on the mountains and valleys of Greece and we could replay the footage from centuries past in slow-motion. Then all would be clear. We would see the waves of invasion and immigration happening, and hear them speaking. Sadly we will never know the answers.
Those Muslims which 80% were Albanian speaking have to state the facts here please..
Ancestry tells me never opened an account,..
good
My father is Greek and 23andMe test has been spot on when compared with the knowledge I have from where my (great) grandparents are from. For example, one of my great grandparents is Pontic greek from near Trabzon and the test shows that I am around 10% Pontic Greek.
🇦🇱 🇬🇷 🇮🇹
I can go with that. I kinda like it
Yes Albanians are pretty much GrecoRoamans with Slavic DNA.
@TeslaSpaceX Albanians and Greeks share almost same % of slavic dna which is single digits
eat sh it greeko turk@@TeslaSpaceXX
@@TeslaSpaceXX Greeks are just pretty much AlboRomans with Slavic DNA
To explane ,,greek,, ethnicity is difficult , to proves something which didnt existed or existing now , such thing is just imagine in ,,greek,, heads, invented in 19 century, giasas !
Finally Greeks will realize how much DNA Greeks and Albanians have in common
Oh sorry but your map is so not right it’s mush-mash territori nine and language tek a luck history book
I’m not going to be pleased with a DNA report that just lumps Greek, Balkan, Turkish and Albanian heritage all together, I know this gross generality already! I want something much more specific. It sounds like MyHeritage might be the best for this. I know I’m half northwestern European and half Southeastern European, I don’t need a test to tell me that!
All Greece and feta too
Α very larg nation in past.
A small nation now
The DNA origin of the Albanians shows that they are an old people in the Balkans, just like the Greeks. The history of the Balkans must change because the politicians have done it to bring the peoples into war. First of all, History must admit that the Albanians did not come to the Balkans in the Middle Ages from the Ottoman conquests. It must be accepted by the Greeks that the existence of the Albanian people is as old as that of the Greek people. Then the discussions should continue on other, deeper plans and without prejudices. Many mysteries can be discovered by researching the Albanian environment but with an open mind.
Ancient Albanians doesn't exist
All we is about Albanias is Arrianos
That we know nothing else
You are just probably greek because in Albania only can be found is greek
With respect
Bye
30% of “Greek “ In 1821 were Albanian some from south Albania some from Mirdita (Marko Bocari) and same things DNA is similiar but Albania (80% ) of mountain area is more pure DNA due to our terrain zones like Mirdita Kukes Laç Diber etc in north Albania share still old DNA and Greek it’s a new term and Greeks has copied Albania from 1821 by using the cards of religion , religion has nothing to do with DNA !
And Albania fall into otoman empire in 1579 the last from Balkans and Albania border was in Arta Greecce and Ioniana but in 1913 Albania was destroyed as a “gift “ for the “big hunters “ …
But language , DNA and tradition show that ALBANIAN are there since god Zeus times …
@@artistic_balkan.collectionAlbanians are just Muslim Greeks lol
Everything you own used to be ours
Even the double headed eagle
@@greokoother way around. Greeks are orthodox Albanians in denial. Hahaha silly Greek nationalists. First you called us Turks, next you call us Slavs, then Caucasus, and now Greek. Lol Greek chauvinism truly has no limits. Albanians are NATIVE in Greece and Greece belongs to Albania. PERIOD.
The people that live in southern Italy are called Greeks but they speak Albanian. Italian call them greci and they speak Albanian. People that left their land when Turks concur the area.
You are confussing Arberesh with Greci those are two distinguish people Greci don't speak Albanian
@@notme1411 I think you are because I have seen many programs with arberesh living villages that the Italians wrongly called them grechi because they were arvanitas who moved there from northern today geece
@@lefisallata206 You are talking about the albanian village of greci, there's a minority in southern italy that speaks a mixed language of greek and italian and are called griko, nothing to do with albanians.
That is neo ellada
Given your ongoing anti-Greek commments it's obvious your motives is extreme nationalism and racism. What is your ethnic background troll? Let's see if you meet the bar of your own alleged standards you apply to Greeks.
What's your background" Veronica" I asked you before and you pretended not to notice the question. Going to cowardly evade answering again?
Im from atlante
That world that is coming back
@@veronicalogotheti5416
Right cowardly evade answering.. I ask again... what is your ethnic background?
@@mydogsbutler He never replied 🤣
Firstly it’s no Turkish dna it’s Anatolian second Greece occupation Anatolia were old Caucasian people living even Eagan sea and huge Black Sea region sadly Caucasian dna Prut no any mix with Turkish-mongols or Greek dna
Cypriots
have many DNAs
Just found out that I'm 96 % Aegean Islands w t f is that country 😮
Why is it always called "Albanian and Greek DNA" when North Macedonia and Macedonians are also included in this cluster? We are always being forgotten smh
Theres also alot of albanians in north macedonia theres some regions that are mostly inhabited by albanians my heritage is from debar a mostly albanian populated town It could be if they are from that are or if that specific dna matches with other dna that identify as albanian or greek
45% of North “Macedonian” are Albanian ethnic and all Europe knows that other “modern Macedonians “ that live in north Macedonia (55% ) are Greek origin Slavic and Bulgarian so old Macedonian it’s the zone of yllirida and Scup was once Albanian yllirida capital of the ilirida - Dardan yllirian tribe and Albanian speakers DNA of ancient Albanian- Greek !
So north Macedonia ethnic today is 45% Albania for this north Macedonia hasn’t too much similarity with Greece (just 45% of albanains origin ethnic has)!
I will say to do the Grecce and Mirdita zone DNA test if Albanias from Mirdita share much % of DNA this mean that Albanian from Mirdita should be the blood DNA ethalon becouse it’s only zone in all region to share same similiar DNA with old heroes of history and the tribe of Pirust (epirust) and yllirians and as well not turkish influence for this Albanian has similiar DNA with Greek but the religion north Albanian are Catholic Latin Roman’s so don’t make mistake religion isn’t in DNA , ethnic is in DNA and this study shows , Albania - Greek and South Italy more similiar in dna !
Don’t worry if you are single you are always in time lol
Keep the facts straight please. How many Arvanites are in Greece?
Greeks have DNA mixed of Albanian, Turk, Slav, Italian and Armenian. The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times.
The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, unfortunately went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology).
During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock.
After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed.
Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers.
The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today
"Greece" as well.
Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture
for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them.
So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the
place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece".
Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek
civilization.
This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in.
Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail.
It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian
(Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece").
There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above.
One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a
name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right.
By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today.
Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it.
Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something
else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing.
All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called
"Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them.
The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today
Thank you. I have read every comment on this video and I find this one the most interesting. That says a lot as there are many fascinating ones, especially to an outsider like me, indicating continuing ethnic tensions and rivralries within that region.
Whether "true" or not or just a "conspiracy theory" it makes a lot of sense to me and is something I would like to find out more about. I am referring specifically to King Otto's supposed re-invention of a nation according to his own personal whims.
I have always had a problem reconciling the culture of the Greek Presidential Guard (Προεδρική Φρουρά) / Evzones (Εύζωνες) with the classical and neo-classical buildings of today's Athens all around them. It seems like a total mis-match.
The fact that there is nothing about ancient Greek culture in modern Greece explains the situation. modern Greek culture is almost Anatolian/Turkish culture. Even in Turkish culture you can find more ancient Greek culture than in Greece. For example, it is said that the wrestling style in which wrestlers' bodies are oiled with olive oil belongs to ancient Greece, but the Greeks do not do this, only the Turks do it traditionally.
@@user-jh8gz1lo4e The one thing that does survive is the language. That's one of the strongest cultural links imagineable. The Turks don't speak that.
But they certainly lost the religion, the philosophy, the democracy and the architecture. Many of these things were restored by King Otto, it seems. Not sure that was widely appreciated by ordinary Greeks happy with their old ways.
The true roots of modern Greeece seem to be in the Byzantine Empire, based in Asia Minor. That's what the Greek historian Helene Glykatzi-Ahrweiler (Ελένη Γλύκατζη-Αρβελέρ) preaches, very convincingly. Pretty much what you just said.
Always amusing to hear foreign dignitaries when meeting Greek statesmen and fawning over them using the same old cliché - "I am honoured to be here in the home of democracy". Yes, but interrupted by many centuries of ultra-authoritarian Byzantine rule.
@@charleswhite758 Yes, I think we have a lot in common because of Byzantium, and unfortunately the medieval religious authority destroyed the intellectual accumulation of many civilizations such as ancient Greece and Rome.
@@user-jh8gz1lo4e Yes, it would be fun still to have all the ancient Greek gods!
Greeks !
Were many tribes but even Greeks or Roman’s or latins etc were “free people “ or citizens the Slavic comes from title (slave) and were later the group that “destroy Roman Empire itself after that same do mongols !
Albania - South Italy and Greek (Hellenic Republik ) today share similiar DNA that mean that Albanian and Greeks are autovtomous and probably 3000-4000 years ago were some same skin color white pelasgian fighting or uniting each other or having same father long times ago!
The problem is that today physically Albanian are more strong that Greeks but Greeks and south italian are smarter than Albanian (in general ) this mean that Albanian share more typically the way of strength in the basis of war , north Albanian are taller than south Albanian and south Albanian are “smarter “ than north Albanian and probably south Albanian are even smarter than Greeks or south italian or similiar intelligence !
So basically in old times 2000-3000 years ago war was important and to have a winning possibility war mean to have physic and mentality so best combination was a mix of Albanian of north and south or South Italian and Greek or Albania north and Greek or south Albanian south italian , despite This simple possibility for example , Alexander the Great was very strong and physically and mentality strategy , Phyrrus of Epirus was strong in military tecnique , Scanderbeg was very tall and strong physic 190cm and as well very strategy military (20,000 Albanians to beat 340,000 Turks ) so I mean Hercules is more similiar to Alexander the Great in term of “physic god “ of war and strength but a weak point “the leg foot” so I mean Greek of today are just 30% of “Ancient Greek” same for Latins or Roman’s , Roman’s conquer the “Greek” tribes and make the mix later and as well Italy become more important with Rome , but population was European mix culture and for this Greek Albanian and south italian share similiar DNA meaning that before 2000-2500 years we have same family brothers and same cousins or uncles from same blood , the point is that after middle age that Turks take Costantinopolis the Albanian and Greeks were “mercenaries soldiers “ mostly Albanians of scanderbeg and they go to fight the Arabs in south Itali (arberesh🏰) after Albanian arberesh beat the Arabs they defend Italy and they defend south Italy as a “strategic point from which in XV century can enter the Arab - Turk union to Italy and Rome later for this scanderbeg was athletes cristus protecting Rome!
As well greek revolution has a help from Albanian tosc and some Albanian from Mirdita (Gheg) …after fall of Constantinople Albania was a safe place from mountain population going from important coast cities to mountain rural area and later people comes again in west coast in other hand Albanians and Greeks origin people that fight the Arabs in XV century in south Italy and people from Constantinople origin stay in south Italy after winning against the Arabs and beeing Albanian - Greek mercenaries they take the land as gift as well as a kind of union from Italy - Albania - Greek in the middle age fight for this reason it’s normal logically that Albanian -Greek and some in south Italy share same ADN problem is that Greeks are ruled by Orthodox Church and the leader of Orthodox Church it’s located in Rusia ! So Greek are puppets and Albanian are US modern puppets , Italy after WW1/2 it’s a nation with much differences between north - south development and this mean end of Roman Empire and “Greek” civilization suprematism !
Now it’s British supremacy and Chinese in future (please don’t wake China from sleep )…
China is sleeping , when they will wake up they will shake the world (N.Bonaparte ) !!!
Story is the future but in DNA Greeks are “cousins “ with Albanian but in politic and modern capitalism and economy , even brothers fight for money …it’s all money problem becouse genetically 97% of Europeans share same DNA 🎉
Take your Pills! 🤣
Ahahaah greek/albanian is another way to say all greeks are actually christian albanians which known as Arnavites. Half of greeks are albanians rest is refugees from turkey
And 100% of Albania's education is communist propaganda 😂 my condolences that you finished school in Albania
What are
Grek I m albanniamy and is grek albanian
Ancient Albanian doest exist in the past .
Exist illyrian , but albanian doesnt connected with them .
that was some tribes from today Slovenia until today north Albania with no culture or civilization like thousands other tribes all the word
And are in Balkan group.
You are just probly greeks
with respect
Existence of Albanian as Latin center of Albanopolis in Dyrrahium (10km) even term Greek comes in 1821!
Albanian genetic is the goat and the eagle (guns of scanderbeg and Kanun ) Kanun are old Albanian laws and Albanian DNA from zones of Mirdita , Mat Kurbin Lezha etc are older than Greeks and as well albanian of Mirdita (Family Bocari are mirditor) Pirust yllirian origin for this reason greek and Albania share same DNA despite the fact that even Greeks (Helen’s) or Albanian today don’t like it the fact it’s that 2400-3000 years ago we have same family and cousins now we are “modern “ politic nations this is politic who takes more but in 2400 even Greece or Albania will not exist they will be Provincia Europes sud
@@Useraghjk14 The place called Greece never existed before as we know it today. The people who live in so called Greece today used to be called "Romej" during Byzantine Empire and "Raja" during Ottoman Empire times (except the Arvanitas who used to be called always by their name like "Albani", "Arbanoi", etc.) and the name "Greece" never existed during Byzantine times.
The people who live in the so called Greece today are NOT the descendants of ancient Greece (as the world history knows it). That ancient culture and civilization, unfortunately went extinct times ago, like many other ancient civilizations (like Latin civilization as well, language of which is spoken only in the certain official religious ceremonies in Vatican today and for international medical terminology).
During Ottoman times in the Balkans, after the big powers pushed for an uprising in the place that today is called "Greece", an independent country was formed in 1821-1832. The majority of the population there was of Arvanitas (and Chameria) stock, they also were the backbone of the uprising for independence from the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the minority population was of Slav, Turks and Aromanian stock.
After the gain of independence the place was so divided, and with a prolonged civil war that a real country could not be formed.
Fearing the disintegration of the place after Ottomans left (and possibility of a return of the Ottomans), Prince Otto of Germany was brought in by European powers to clear the mess and do nation - building there. He was proclaimed King of the place by big powers and given plenipotentiary powers.
The Price Otto royal family in Germany happen to be an admirer of the ancient civilizations, one of them being the extinct ancient Greek civilization, traces and archeological findings of which are also seen in that region called today
"Greece" as well.
Being an ancient history romantic and buff, Otto came up with the idea, that the only way to keep the place together and for a chance to build a country there, was to adopt/impose some kind of neutral/foreign ancient language and culture
for all people living in that place, that will make possible for the people to stick together under one language and culture imposed on them.
So with a special royal decree, he proclaimed a version of the ancient Greek (the easier one to be taught and learned by people there in those times) as an official language of the place, and also came up with the new name for the
place, calling it with a special royal decree "Greece".
Everything else was banned, and the new "country" formed, was ordered to be rebuild anew in resemblance of the old romantic view of the ancient Greek civilization, starting with the buildings, names of people, places, cities and villages, regions, mountains, fields and all were changed to made-up names loaned by the ancient literature of ancient Greek
civilization.
This of course was associated with money brought by European powers to rebuild. The more people in that place agreed with the change of their true national and ethnic identity and declare themselves artificially "Greeks/Helenes" and adopt to the new order, the more money was to be pouring in.
Naturally, the strongest resistance to this artificial and made-up solution, was made by the Arvanitas (and Chameria), but at no avail.
It is legendary, the loss by one vote in the Price Otto's Parliament of that time, of Arvanitas proposal to have the Albanian
(Arvanite) language as an official language of the place called 'Greece" today, and to call the new country "Arvanoi" (instead of "Greece").
There is plenty of scientific and factual evidence, archival and historical documents, as well as studies and publications by major authors and authorities in the field about as above.
One interesting fact here, is that one of the earlier German/Austrian well known historians and scientists of that time, Fallmerayer, alerted Prince Otto and others to this nonsense, of declaring a whole people and place by a
name not belonging to them, and injecting an extinct language, culture and civilization on people who had no idea about it and did not belong to it at all. Well, Fallmerayer may have proven to be right.
By the way, Fallmerayer, is a banned figure and historian in what is called Greece today.
Germany is still paying for the Otto's mistake, even today. It has gotten stuck with the country so called "Greece". It is now forced to pour free money, even today, out of Germany's pocket (through European Union as well) year after year to keep it alive and going, as this "Greece" cannot stand on its own. It is an artificial creation of Prince Otto's fantasy (a "zombie" country so to speak), and the new generations of the Germans and Europeans are continuing to pay the price for it.
Moreover, what Prince Otto did back then, is tantamount to ethnic cleansing. He forced inhabitants of a whole region/place (called "Greece" today) to change by force their culture, language, national and ethnic identity to something
else that those people were not, so they could artificially change in order to look modern and civilized (like ancient Greeks in Otto's personal view) and possibly be united. And of course, Arvanites and Chams (as the majority population in the region) suffered mostly from this ethnic cleansing.
All this revelation, informs another major point: history taught about what today is called Greece, it appears to be taught wrong. People are wrongly taught in schools that today's Greece and its people are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks. Greece and Greeks of today, in some extend, also think they are superior to others just because they are called
"Greeks" and their country "Greece" by decree (not by the virtue of the truth). They also seem to believe for some reason, they are entitled to the German and European money being handed out to them.
The school textbooks and historiography should change, telling people the truth as it is. And with this, will come many other changes, in the way we see relations with the country called "Greece" today
@@Useraghjk14 You are Albanian orthodox in denial
In athens they got together
There is nothing called race…
Greeks are not Hellenes. Greek unlike the Hellenes is a cocktail of DNA. Roman, Egyptian, Latin, Slav, Illyrian, Arab, Persian, African, and mostly Turkish. Greeks are Christian Turks
stupidity at his best .....
Lol you are stupid as hell
Hellenes is the greek name for Greece you idiot
Also modern Greeks are mostly the same as ancient Greeks
Funny how most you said have greek DNA while Greeks don't have their dna
hahahahaa
The greek from athens was ionico and pelasgiko
Former Arvanite Republic is coping so hard and angry at the fact they are Albanian.
Note: You could be Albanian/Arvanite even if it shows Southern Italy or Greece/Peloponesse its good to accept the truth and your identity. Nothing wrong with having the blood of Alexander the Great, Constantine the Great, Justinian the Great, Skanderbeg, Mother Teresa, or even today Dua Lipa Rita Ora Bebe Rexha Belushi Brothers etc. Enjoy.
Alexander, Constantine and Justinian were Greek lol
@@user-dd1ud1tu2r Illyrians and apart of Rome just spoke Hellen all except for Alexander
@@madflaka4087 What? Alexander spoke Greek
@@madflaka4087 what does alexander mean in your language??what gods did he worship?the name of alexanders horse, what does it mean?? you are deluded, GTFO
@@user-dd1ud1tu2r Alexandr was a Hellene. Constantine was only half Greek. Justinian was supposedly Illyrian.
I'm Albanian and my DNA came 97% Greek, because there is no Greek but alanian Greek speaking people
It proves the opposite, there is no “Albanian” DNA
@@manospapas5349 Greeks are from minor asia. They are wrongly called Greeks. They took Albanian land when Turks expelled them from Anatolia and fucked those fascist mother fucker up
@@manospapas5349 go and have the DNA and see what happens
@@nootnoot865 Greek DNA has existed for thousands of years.
@@nootnoot865someone hurt you lol
And yes there is greek DNA
And if you are Turkish or Albanian
You are just Muslim greek
Greeks didnt speak all the same greek
they dont all speak the same italian in italy either....but at the root, its the same language
@@boneeatsdog no that shows many tribes are there
Is a new country
19 century
Modern Greek has far more to do with Alexandrian era Koine Greek than modern English has in common with the Germanic dialect today called old English.
Most of this study, and no offence, its just your wishful thoughts to prove that all Greeks are 100% Greek. Its crazy to think that you remained Greek throughout the centuries. How do I know? First, you have a fairly white group gathered over there.
Do you know there are many many people with Greek names, Greek last names, that they were told they were Greeks for generations back but their skin is very brown? Not olive, but brown. At the same time, Greeks were never THIS white. Greeks were olive skinned. Like the guy top left and a bit darker some times. Not like the two women.
Do you know that even before 1923, it was considered normal for people to marry a "xenos"? Aka not a Greek? Yeap, was totally normal. Sorry that I burst the bubble to all 100% Greeks out there.
Are you aware that when someone tells you "I define as Turk/Persian/Chinese because this is my language, here's where I grew up, these are the traditions I follow but I just happened or chose to be "Greek orthodox" so they kicked me to another country" you cancel their whole identity and history by telling them "your ancestors were orthodox so they were Greeks that happened to speak another language and grow up in a different country"?
Are you aware that when our ancestors came to Greece in 1923 and on, many came with fake names and with no papers / fake papers? Just because a group of Greeks was in a certain area, doesn't make everyone from that area Greeks... And just because someone follows a certain religion doesn't make them ethically "something" else. I speak Greek and English, am I British?? No. I just know a second language too. What exactly is so complicated!
The area I live in, was build in 1923. By refuges from every parts of Asia Minor, Black Sea and not only. I have neighbours that their ancestors defined as Kurds when they came here. They were speaking their language and Greek. That doesn't make them Greek. They didn't indentify as Greeks. They indentified as Kurds till the day they died.
Same as you define as Greeks in USA and you don't assume you're 100% native American or that all Americans are Greeks because you happened to live there! Get a grip, and be proud for who your ancestors were, its not a shame. Shame is when you refuse your bloodline because of a "pure Greek blood" fantasy.
P.S. YES, there are people who even though their DNA test says "Turkish" we know they should be Greeks. Like Trabzon. Belongs to Turkey, but Pontian Greeks were living there. But also other ethicities lived there. And these other ethicities may or may not travelled to Greece as "Pontian Greeks". There were no papers whatsoever back then. You could be 12 and say you're 18 and that's what they wrote down here in Greece. You could be named Mahmut and say you were called "Kostas" and that's what they would write down in Greece. YES it DID happened. Same as when European colonizers moved to the Americas, they were ALSO giving fake papers and identities. Not all of them, but honestly too many of them. So don't be surprised. Just accept that you may NOT be 100% Greek as you wish. You may really find peace in yourself. And within you, maybe your ancestors also find peace for all the decades they were hiding.
Genetically, modern Greeks have nothing in common with ancient Greeks.
Over 500 years in the making, .... Turkish Devsirmes 😀
Modern Turks are Muslim greek lol
Take a DNA test
@@greoko have you found out which Turk is your daddy yet …? 😀😀😀
@@chupacabracrusher8294you are not Turks. Just assimilated anatolians and armenians
@@minimal8187Your hate supersedes your stupidity ör vice versa… Get lost knucklehead
@@chupacabracrusher8294 Turks are more likely to have foreign ancestors than greeks to have turkish one lmao
bla bla bla is it albanien hihihi
>African-American and Greek-American research.
Those are literally the same thing.
lol
Yeah, that was a bit wierd!
Not only it doesn't makes sense what you just said
But you aren't funny what so evee
😂😂😂 Greeks are the native Albanians because Greeks are from minor Asia
Ne shqiptaret mendjemdhej gjithmon e kshu do ecim para ne🤦♂️
EV13 and J2 are proto Albanian haplogroups most commonly found among Albanians which makes sense since Albanian tribe Pelasgians carried this haplogroup. But for some reason it's low among Greeks. Hmmmm, I wonder what ethnicity Greeks really are then? Probably a mixed salad of Albanians, Turks and Slavs ;)
EV13 and j2 are not albanian, in fact, they dont solely belong to any ethnic group, haplogroups are just human. Also J2 is found in Anatolia, Caucasus, middle east and south europe, are they all albanians? It shows that you know nothing about genetics and that Albania needs a better education system 😂😂😂
People move
Most ancient greeks were gone
They went to central europe
"Most ancient greeks were gone. They went to central europe/"
Nazi crap. DNA testing consistently shows modern Greeks are direct biological descendants of ancient Greeks. To what degree there is admixture due to assimilation is a question for population geneticists not genocidal trolls obsessed with trying to decouple Greeks from our history.
Not true , the first big migration of greeks to the west , were during the fall of Eastern Roman Empire.
But still ancient greeks and modern greeks are the same people, some may have less other more hellenic dna, but all have more than 50% greek dna.
@@wakeno.6047 not really
The ancient greeks are very few in today greece
You can see it
And today ancient greeks are in europe
And around the world
Not in scandinavia
@@wakeno.6047 the ancient greeks have indoeuropean dna
Europe
Veronica is a antihellenic bigot peddling populist racist myths. All she had do is google "Greek DNA to find studies by accredited teams of archeologists and population geneticists from reputable universities that have done the painstaking work of finding and sequencing ancient Greek DNA then doing a comparative analysis with modern (as opposed the mass scientific fraud perpetrated by for-profit DNA kit that only use modern samples to base their ridiculous "ethnic" percentage claims
To find out how related modern Greeks are to ancient Greeks. Not does the genetic evidence overwhelmingly suggest modern Greeks are direct descendants of ancient Greeks but even neolithic people that lived in Greece. How much admixture there has been over time (due to mostly back and forth regional assimilation) is a question for populist geneticists... not racist quacks like Veronica Logotheti.
No traces of Ancient Greece in their blood.
Proven otherwise lol
Over
It has been proven modern Greeks are pretty much the same ancient Greeks
@@nootnoot865 you aren't very smart
Are you? Lol
As I said it has been proven Greeks are mostly the same
@@nootnoot865 also most modern Turks have greek DNA
Since they took greek kids and grew em into thinking they were Turks and where did the Arabic and African DNA come from ?
You are embarrassing yourself
U can make a dna test with albanian peaple u will see it
Ar about 10:00 you talk about minorities which is true only about the Jews; the rest are Greek in blood and faith speaking a second language beyond Greek
The Slavs in Greece are Macedonian
in fact Bulgarians and Pomaks who are clear Bulgarians but not christian.
Liars
Greek Ancestry
please never exist Greece before 1821. why don't you read ottoman registry DEFTER before you speak,u have exactly the Population of this part from Ottoman Empire , it is not written in a DEFTER that this population is Greek, but the language spoken at home is written, that is, the ethnicity of each family or village, why do you cheat in this ordinary way ?
Modern Turks are Muslim Greeks
Modern Greeks are the same as ancient Greeks
please never exist Albania before 1912