Cirrus Vision Jet Flight Trial
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- Cirrus has begun shipping its long awaited SF50 Vision Jet and as part of a two-video series, AVweb recently flew the jet from the company's Duluth, Minnesota factory to the east coast. In this long form video, AVweb takes a deep dive into how the airplane performs and how it compares to other small jets.
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Cirrus gets me everytime time man. The only aircraft company that actually know how to design a gorgeous interior.
Like Tesla.
x2
Lancair ain't too shabby 🤔
This jet is absolutly beautiful
I'll bet you like droopy-titted fat girls, don't ya?
Face it, as pilots we would like the nicest plane we could afford. If I could afford one of these, I would love it. Love the PC12, but it is almost twice as much. I have never seen an ugly airplane, some are just better looking than others. I fly a 1973 A36 bonanza, and have a partner, and I am at the peak of what I can afford. I could see a plane like the vision jet finding a niche in the multi-owner market. Most of the negative comments are sour grapes in my opinion. We should be thankful that some manufacturers are actually introducing new aircraft.
I remember when everyone was insisting years ago that VLJs would soon FILL THE SKIES. But Paul, as always, was far more realistic in his assessment of their prospects. He's the most no-BS journalist in aviation. Good review, as always.
Haha heard my voice in the background near the 15 min mark - ATC!
awesome, congrats on being an ATC. I heard that it is one of the hardest things to get into, in the aviation industry. You must be a real braniac with a photo-graphic memory. More power to you sir...and keep up the good work,,, we take for granted what goes on in a tower... I have a true appreciation for your laser-focused study in this area of expertise and for your determination to be one of the elite few to make it in. again, ,Congrats!!!
Are you at DTW? I fly out of ONZ, the voice seems familiar haha.
Emergency parachute on a jet: GENIUS.
After many hours in SR20s, the SF50 would work for me. It looks very comfortable... especially for those long XC rides. Cool!
People keep comparing this to turboprops and twin vlj's and keep coming up with negatives. The Vision Jet is in a class of it's own folks. Certification for higher altitudes would've made it more complex and it would gum up the works at the commercial jet altitudes. Also, time of usefull conciousness after a rapid decompession at FL280 (2.5-3 minutes) is a lot longer than at FL400 (15-20 seconds). For the average SR22 owner this is about as perfect as it gets. No complicated systems and procedures plus an almost foolproof auto-pilot. Relax, sit back and let the plane fly itself while you monitor the systems and manage the flight. The Vision Jet flies the SR22 mission, higher and faster. If you do need more range, space and a toilet get a PC12 or B200.(for about twice as much).
It seems to me like a much better buy would be an evolution turboprop. Better performance at much lower prices. But then, Cirrus owners have been known to have more money than sense.
bigc208, you are 100% right.
Yeah. It's in a class of its own alright. 60 gallons of fuel per hour to move less than 6000 lbs of "high-tech" and "modern" light jet airplane through the sky along with its stupidly high price tag definitely make it "unique" and "progressive".
Time of useful conscious numbers are the biggest crock of bullshit "statistic" there is. Nobody is "breathing normally" after a "rapid decompression" at any "FL" and the only thing that's going to cause a "rapid decompression" in that airplane is a catastrophic failure of the engine and loss of engine bleed air for pressurization along with a large hole blown in the fuselage as engine parts "exit" the "nacelle" or some major airframe structural failure or loss off a window or cabin door that's probably going to result in a "rapid decompression" for about half a second until the speed and airflow repressurize the cabin automatically until it pops like a balloon. At that point if you're still "usefully conscious" you may as well try using your asscrack as an oxygen mask as you kiss your ass goodbye.
witch turboprop. can you name one at that speed but that price range?
Gotta do something about that volume normalization.
I still don't think I've ever seen a cockpit that looks so comfortable
There's no such thing as an airplane cockpit that's "comfortable" period. There is only "less uncomfortable". And that usually involves having a separate "workspace" for both members of the aircrew where at the very least they have their own armrests and can get between the seats without turning sideways and being hunched over to 2/3 their standing height.
lol... looks kinda like my flight simulator.
more like a gaming lounge than a cockpit......but I would sit behind it for 6 hours a day.. :)
Love the sound of engine starting and the takeoff, my mouth is drooling! Oh yeah, love the rest of it also ;-)
Not too bad of a landing- for a Cub pilot. 😄
Great video as usual, Paul. 👍🏻
Excellent! (Paul Bertorelli Fan Club Charter Member)
BRB. Gotta go buy some lottery tickets.
buy me one too
Sell the yacht.
publiux - Hope you win, and give me a ride in it too.
Today is FRI the 13th, so buying alot.
The most effective tax on the poor.
With less than 2100 ft. of takeoff distance required, you gotta love this jet.
I want one. Awesome aircraft.
Their factory is in Duluth? Awesome! Represent Minnesota!!
Yep you guys are represented well, AND you have Ilian Omar!
@@Jdalio5 Oof, this didn't age well
@@tyga3966 lol...nope not at all
@@tyga3966 how so?
"the jet looks like it's straight out of the future" ....looks to me like 1945 - HE 162 ( I still like it though)
Yes it does, good observation.
600 bucks an hour operating costs.?? holy moly....
Half of a chopper lol
Excellent work Paul and Larry! I just need the $2.2M to get in line for one. 😊
Very detailed video. I appreciated the comparison chart. Nice plane
Well done - that was an interesting, educational and enjoyable watch. Paul even cracked a smile.. :)
0:05 you can see the 'fish tailing' from the camera view behind the pilots...I'm a bit surprised since there are two fairly large yaw damper fins in the lower tail area.
The coolest thing for me is the parachute
Comparing this to the Citation Mustang, its a no brainer. Sad it takes so long to take order of one of these - but worth the wait. Finally a true GA Jet which offers a great ATP standard training course (+/-100ft, plus speed). I am sure most of us can not wait for some PIC vision jet time!
Great video. Thanks for sharing
These huge glass cockpits with gigantic touch screens really do my head in. I've yet to get one to work in FSX or X-Plane .. not that I tried much, but wow. Very big screens. Must be a bit tough if you're short.
Great video
Very informative. Thanks.
man i hope i can buy one of these these days
Tough to wrap my head around a "Single-Engine JET" ... , but I suppose that is the wave of the future!
The bacon frying in the background is a bit distracting.
What a cool plane. This is what I think the cars of the future will look like. Small stick of occasional control all else on autopilot.
A small quality item. The vent panel, ight of the center pillar (from Pilot) is bent down.
Really nice personal jet👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
58 gal per hour.... Jets have a drinking problem.
thats only 250 bucks per hour,,,seems cheap for a jet
Harpoon_Bakery extremely cheap
@@harpoon_bakery162 Plus super costly maintenance program.
Please fix the spelling in the description please! As a copywriter, spelling the product name correctly is essential.....
that guy using the handle of his screwdriver as a hammer....
Saw that too and laughed out loud.....makes it more appealing to ..'every guy that doesn't use the right tool for the right job'......kind of like buyers for this airplane...
no mission specific purchase...just bragging rights to go for a 600 dollar burger. Porsche sells more cars now and 88 percent are...wait for it: Automatics....ALL POWER to them. any manufacturer that isn't owned by Raytheon and is able to get certified and fill order books is OK by me!!!!
Richard Loveday yeah the mission profile is really limited if trying to travel cross country because it can't get above weather with a FL280 ceiling. A mini turboprop would of been great.
1:31 Just wow! When installing a towel rack in your home -- ok, but building a jet? However, the real surprise is how that got past the video editor.
2.2M? Screw that, for that money I’m getting a king air, faster, more comfortable, higher endurance, higher useful load
Yeah,but does it have a parachute ;-)
@@johnbravo7542 or safe return autoland
@@johnbravo7542 what for? If you are not a crackpot you don't need it.
Looks like a bonanza to me
Is this plane able to fly from Santo Domingo to Miami with 3 pax+ luggage at economy cruise?
great question, did you get an answer?
Would rather have a TBM850 or 900 for that price point
@@HorizonFilmsGermany Much larger.
Paul why don't you talk about big jumbo jets
Oh please, I’ve seen real world reviews of this and people weren’t getting any more than 250kts. There are so many better options. But it does look cool, but so does a TBM or king air
I like the training program should help the new pilot that's not transitioning from any other aircraft.
Don’t touch anything Paul - you just sit there and try and look pretty !
TBM is better for the guy who takes people flying for short or long haul, this is more for single person trips and rec flying med haul and xl haul. Because of it being a jet.
Paul burgoreli seems a bit upset. ANyone else notice that
Could you fly this to Dominican republic from mami fl?
to do a drug run lol...
Yup
@@johnbravo7542 lol
It has got me thinking...
if my calculations correct , this flight air speed was almost 982km/610mile per hour , is this correct ? and this's quite a diffirent speed data compare with visiin sf50 cruise speed 300kt (556km).
Do you have to adjust the throttle manually when in autopilot mode or it does that automatically as well like in big jets
Auto.
one day...
But why in 2018 it's still a castering nose wheel. I've flown a 22 and that's slot of P effect to over come. I understand the jet won't be an issue. I guess if I had the two plus I could get use to it.
But isn't it noisy on the inside though?
I wonder if Griffey is flying his now.
Next doctor killer? If we as pilots are relying on the auto pilot and not getting the stick and rudder time that’s a problem in an emergency when shit hits the fan. Many crashes have come from pilots not being able to competently fly the airplane, especially at high altitude where the tolerances get much tighter. Air France 447, heavy ice loss of instrumentation and stalled the airplane straight to the water because they were so reliant on the automation of the airbus. Do us a favor and when your rich friend says they want to buy one tell them to hand fly every 3rd or 4th flight, keep those skills sharp.
Cirrus pilot's autopilot randomly disengages, pulls chute
Uh, the training is done mostly by hand before you are signed off to the FAA for a checkride. Your comments are a fallacy and just simply not true. The CFI's determine if you are ready and they use a one strike system. One strike and you are done.
I think the point is that at high altitude autopilot is absolutely essential. That's not a failing of this aircraft but high altitude flight. When I was in pilot studies I learned of an aircraft whose stall speed was one knot below its critical mach speed, and obviously no pilot on earth could maintain such tight tolerances. Any aircraft at high altitude will be a major challenge handling it manually. At lower levels it's a different matter and this can be configured to fly like a performance single and land at mediocre single speeds. However what would worry me is no backup instrumentation. Cirrus make no apologies for positioning this as an owner-operator aircraft, which has the obvious consequences of more mistakes and, undoubtedly, fatalities eventually. The ballistic parachute may satisfy certification needs, but it could also be too tempting in the event of any incident where an experienced pilot would just continue flying the plane and land.
Oddly, on the SRs, there appear to be more instances where a pilot should have pulled the 'chute than when it was pulled and perhaps should not have been.
Trace I had the same thought when I heard that.. (only I was thinking Dentists!lol) if your not doing your '4 a week' really flying.....your better off with a crew and higher cost per hour....when I learned the guys in the back usually owned it, and made more money....Flying for a 'Living' lost almost all its appeal for me.....
I want someone in that seat that has time saving his life regularily before I would risk doing it myself..two weekends a month and 9 hours during Christmas break...
this aircraft would lend itself to an awesome fltshare air taxi ride though.....Uber air anyone!!
Looks like the HE-162. How odd that this design goes back to the 1940s
But can you fly inverted???
Dillon Harper autopilot would yell at you then pull chute! Lol
Yes
300-400NM at 600$/h
Looks like I’m gonna keep the Honda Odyssey
How about a DA62
Francis Molloy so for ever 300-400 miles is $600 worth of fuel???
No. It's about $300 for every 300 nautical miles (about 350 regular miles). Fuel burn is 58 gallons an hour and Jet A costs about $3.50-$5 a gallon depending on location. The plane travels at around 290 knots.
$600/h is total cost of ownership. Maintenance is the biggest factor.
@@bonchie1 plus hangar 500usd per month + insurance+ etc...
@@buyrunbenim6513 That's all included in the $600 an hour but that's dependent on how many hours is flown so the costs are spread out. I'd guess his baseline is at least 100 hours a year to come up with that number but I'm not going to rewatch the video from a year ago to find out.
Sharp jet I want one
The competition is fast turboprops and the king of the hill is Pilatus PC-12. It carries 8 people at nearly the same cruise speed much farther and it has a TOILET! Operating cost is about the same. BUT...it costs twice as much!
Fly safe....
the noise on your intro splash sounds like nails on a chalkboard
He was frying bacon
wish i have one :(
When he say's $600 an hour to operate what exactly does that include ???
Generally it means Fuel, Pre-Planned Maintenance (oil changes, engine rebuilds, annual inspection, misc), and a portion of Insurance/hangar costs (this depends on the amount of hours you plan to fly of course. The less you fly the cost goes up, the more you fly the costs can go down.
$600 to operate an hour.. :/...i rather fly on an airline for double 600
That's good because you probably don't have a choice. The people that would own a Vision Jet aren't pinching pennies compared to the airlines.
If the pilot decides to live and fly the plane can he cut away the parachute...save the plane? Asking for a friend.
I’m getting one soon
So how much would the fuel cost for a flight from denver to pittsburgh? I wanna know how much would fuel cost..cause is it really worth it if an airline ticket is the same price as the fuel🙄
Forget about it
The max range on this would barely get you there in one fuel up. And at $600 per hour your looking at minimum 3 hour trip each way...
Francis Molloy lol so airline it is then..thanks
You don’t become a private plane owner because you want to save on air ticket price. You do it for convenience and or passion.
You don't fly your own jet to get the best price over a commercial plane ticket. If you want to go be herded like cattle, that's always going to be the cheapest route. With a plane like this, the more people you carry, the more justifiable the cost becomes but it will never rival a commercial airline.
Tahj don’t forget insurance cost , the initial cost of jet Mx, and at $1200 in fuel from Denver to Pitt
1:32 .......... is that a SPECIAL TOOL / CIRRUS LIKE????????
Mission? This some kind military plane?
Yeah, no, definitely, let’s amp up the background radio traffic over the two guys talking. Cuz that’s what we all came here to see...
This thing is priced $1.96M?! I'd rather have a Cessna
It needs to be a little faster, perhaps a newer engine.
2 million bucks, and a go-pro taped to the dash, I think Not!!! Love the plane, an awesome jet, would love a flight for the experience.
Good, not high enough for RVSM.
Does seem like Paul has become disinterested and pissed-off or is it just me??
Paul has always acted like a derogatory condescending prick. Not a people person. It's part of his charm. .
@@raymond3803 yeah, this was the first video I saw him in, now I really like him!
Too bad it only has a max operating altitude of FL280. Popular single engine turboprops have higher max operating altitudes.
*beckerm13 -* Hopefully after a few years of a good safety record, they'll *try for higher altitude certification.* But as is, I think this flies higher than where most bad weather is. This jet is a game changer. A smart entrepreneur could offer a *competitive regional charter and air taxi service,* because of its low maintenance and low operating costs advantages.
Bad weather typically ends in the mid 30s and bad bad weather ends about 40 with some stuff going to the 50s but isolated
How high.....30000 ft 0r 31000 ft, compared to 28000 ft for this.
1:00 What the heck is up with that HUGE gap between the ceiling and the panel that has the light and dial??? Poor craftmanship?? Nice jet otherwise!
You have got to be kidding, like their smaller prop air craft this is a lot of jet for the money: Congrats to the designer team and builders: only one problem “l can’t afford one”,
Basically, this plane is for rich people.
please change your intro sound
400lbs for people and stuff. So 2 x 200lb guys and you've done 😧
The boot leather looks very low quality.
Just need room for toilet ? Whoops another $600.000 ...
These are cool, but I really dislike the bulbous look, and the short range. I think, I'd prefer a Flaris Lar1, though it is a shame that the Lar1 is going with Garmin g600 avionics, but should be possible to upgrade. However, If I could afford to buy a $5 million aircraft, I think I'd get a Saker S-1
I think Cirrus should get Cirrus (haha) and put a f-16 GE F110 on to this, carbon wings and frame. so we can pull G's !
in all seriousness. it looks great. the interior needs work. the seats look terrible. any beautiful GT car or a cruiser like an aston martin the seats are really plush, with nice bolstering (wraps around you) the current looks like a bus seat
Piper jet
are the seats electric?
To have to go through all the b.s. and to the expense to get a "turbine" endorsement along with IFR for this non-replacement for Cirrus's "premium" single-engine spark-ignition single that is less than 1/3 (the "comparison" leaves out a whole bunch of expenses that aren't mentioned including the inability to refuel at anything but airports with Jet-A) the cost to buy and fly and who knows how much cheaper to insure and finance is just ridiculous since you'll still be short a multi-engine rating unless you want to or have to pay for that with absolutely no need for it.
Making a significant mention of its "weather-avoidance" capabilities makes me think this thing is probably a VFR airplane if icing and/or significant precipitation sufficient to "drown" that engine and/or pelt the inside of the intake and fan with hailstones is even a remote possibility. Does it have any deicing equipment and how its it "weather-survival" capability up there in the flight levels where you don't just start dodging and ducking the yellow and red blotches on the "radar display" when all of a sudden cautious turns to alarmed?
I gotta think a fuel hog like that with such low performance relative to its fuel consumption and "payload capacity" doesn't have a hell of a lot of "tolerance" for even a quick and thin layer of ice or "thick rain" much less some supercooled air and "hard water" ingested into that funnel of an intake. I'd kind of like to see some video of some "dead-stick" flying "at altitude" and in-flight restart and stall characteristics and recovery sans "flight envelope protection" and "autopilot" when the Captain Computer has clearly given up on flying the airplane and "alternate law" means the software engineers have programmed the computer to give "control" of the airplane to the "pilot" just in time to "fly" it to the scene of the crash.
Pretty sure I'd never want to test the resistance of those avionics and "flight envelope protection" and "FADEC" systems to EMP from even a "distant" lightning strike, either. And call me stupid and "backward" for not being able to appreciate the "safety aspects" of such a brilliant "safety feature", but I'd just have a hell of a time ever buying or even riding in an airplane made by a company most famous among non-owner "aviation enthusiasts' for its built-in parachute.
useful load is kinda sad..... other then that not bad
immortaljatt05 big cabin that you can't get anyone in due to useful load.
Yeah "seats up to 7 adults" but its useful load is like 450lbs lol. Last time I checked the average adult does not weigh 80lbs
Yes...."not burning much...58 gph". Wow lol. And... who doesn't enjoy the smell of kerosene anytime? me
That's a little bit more than a twin turboprop of the same size and range
No restroom?
Why not take out the 3rd row of seats nobody ever uses? Toilet & sink easily fits.
Lets face it civil air craft are manufactured by company's using the same machines, the same materials, and the same engineering standards in manufacturing and assembly as any other vehicle manufacture in the world. So why is everything so f-ing expensive? I understand the extra costs in the need for having redundancy systems and avionics but other than that i don't get it. Example, just a rebuild for a standard air cooled flat six (a very simple very basic engine) is something like $30,000? for a rebuild? The parts certainly don't cost that much to make and those engines are simple to rebuild so whats up with the cost?
Why so expensive? Cirrus has been the #1 GA airplane manufacturer since 2001, knocking Cessna off top spot
The equivalent of coming up with a truck that out-sells Ford F-150 for 20-straight years. Cirrus = Huge Success.
In 2012, Chevy discontinued the Colorado due to poor sales of 20,000. (I owned one, best vehicle I've ever owned I-5 engine was fantastic) Cirrus has built & sold 8,000 planes in 26 years. #1 manufacturer for 21 years.
Chevy built and sold 20,000 Colorado in 1 year. Deemed as a colossal failure. That's why planes are so expensive.
@@raymond3803 Exactly, if they lowed prices they would sell more than 8000 plains in 21 years. The beginning of the automotive industry was just like the civil aircraft industry today. 98% of the market is for the very very wealthy and the other 2% is for the wealthy. All it took was one company to make a decent product that the average person could afford (Henry Ford model t) and all others had to follow suit. There market is limited by there prices.
@@b.snoodleman5864 I live 15 miles from the old manufacturing plant in Excelsior Springs, MO
Mini 500 Helicopter $30,000 Help Yourself. th-cam.com/video/1DkHShAh2og/w-d-xo.html
Icon A5 Sales Rep giving potential customer / buyer a demonstration flight
th-cam.com/video/qHvyjqSS1nU/w-d-xo.html *_"$325,000? I I'm going to have to think about it ....I got your card"_*
@@raymond3803 That mini 500 is pretty cool and I suppose $30,000 back then ($56,000 in today's money) is cheap when you know its going to cost you over $30,000 and a core for a rebuilt air cooled flat 4 glorified VW engine that was designed in the 1940's and is still manufactured to this day so its not like the parts are not available. Let me put it this way, a brand new state of the art 500 hp all aluminum dual over head cam four valve per cylinder fuel injected ford eliminator crate engine is less than $15,000 out the door and it's $30,000 for a rebuilt glorified VW engine. ??? Can't help but think it greed.
@@b.snoodleman5864 I see your point The 15K crate Ford was a good analogy. Pretty trick little Mustang V-8.
Forget the Mini 500. It killed more Jews than Hitler. Used plane market is extremely high. But not as ridiculous as Semis. 2019 Brand New Freightliner with aluminum wheels, & 70" High Rise Sleeper, cost $135,000. Today, same truck sells for $120,000 with 500,000 miles on it. A 2021 costs $185,000 with a 1 year back order wait period. If you really want to fly cheap. I'd suggest you shop barnstormers every week. Eventually *_(I've seen dozens)_* you'll find a factory built 2005 - 2008 Flight Design, 100 hp Rotax 912ULS, All Carbon Fiber Plane, With a parachute, Dynon Glass Avionics (7" EFIS & EMS) 2 - axis Auto Pilot with < 800 Hours on it for $55,000-ish (I've seen them as low as $46,000) Very modern comfortable plane. Runs on Auto gas 4-5 gal/hour. buyaircrafts.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/2004-flight-design-ctsw-for-sale.jpg
Here's the cockpit www.jet-scout.com/pictures_big/455_pic2.jpg
Or ..... for $90,000 factory built in Trenton Florida, you could have a brand new 2021 jet engine helicopter.
Piston engine only costs $60,000 th-cam.com/video/cAGBFT0Cx8k/w-d-xo.html
so you have to wait 6 years to get one lol
He keeps mentioning "instruments" but I don't see an altimeter or alto saxophone anywhere in that cockpit.
DEEREMEYER1 I guess your not in aviation
So much for keeping radio frequencies open for "business", huh?
It uses an old engine plus the Avionics look outdated.
Such a toy plane... I'd always go for a Mustang or TBM over this. No matter what.
PetSmith777 - Get over the shape of it. Anybody with experience knows what matters most is: *in-flight comfort.* This plane is so roomy and well thought out.
this is a better buy than the Citation Mustang and the TBM.
Not better than TBM, Cheaper to buy yes, to operate no, TBM is faster and can carry more.....much more actually
These three replys say a mouthful....and what makes freedom worth keeping alive....freedom of choice!!!
If you have access to 2.2 Mil, don't have a large family, usually fly about 300nm on a flt...this seems to be airplane of choice.
if you want to carry the whole office and your display crap for a convention 800nm away...TBM SEEMS A BETTER CHOICE.
I think that is why cessna dropped mustang--new turbo prop coming that looks alot like Pilatus or TBM offering...and if they smart...make it available for retro fit on all the citation 500 and citation series aircraft operators in the slowtation category. the CJ is different.
BUT a good design like TBM or Mirage offering is best way for fly it meself types and alot cheaper to operate with better useful loads..because not carrying 6.78pds to the gallon.....which in the cirrus jet is 1600pds of fuel.....the TBM 830 can do the same.thing with I believe 1000pds.....that's two more people.and 100 pds of luggage difference and not 15 minutes in arrival time!?!
good job choices are not always logical....if they were....there would be less marriages and fast cars and jets airplanes...wohoo! !
Hold on. Did he say "turbojet"? Not turbofan? Seriously? Suddenly its 1955 again!
What's your damage?
Great review on a revolutionary plane for GA..."Yeshua(Jesus Christ) is the way"