The WORST Kanye Debate EVER..

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
  • Original Video - • Separate the Art from ...
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  • @SUBMACHINEGOTH
    @SUBMACHINEGOTH 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1083

    We went from "separate art from the artist" to "separate Hitler from holocaust" real quick lmaooooooooo

    • @turboshazed7370
      @turboshazed7370 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂

    • @techboy2002
      @techboy2002 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      How u gonna bite a comment do u not have any original thoughts

    • @wackyclock
      @wackyclock 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@techboy2002 deez nuts got em

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @Arthurtinoco literally copying a top comment from the Fantano source video is wild.

    • @KanyeNuts
      @KanyeNuts 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      that literally never happened in this debate what are you on about

  • @TheRealIsaakAllen
    @TheRealIsaakAllen 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    Whenever I hear someone say some shit about "political divide" it is almost always someone deep on the right complaining how their shitty opinions have had negative consequences on their lives.

    • @LOSERLUCAS
      @LOSERLUCAS 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      NAILED IT

    • @BOGOworms4sale
      @BOGOworms4sale 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      FAX

  • @Fukuro14
    @Fukuro14 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +844

    Really hard to respect someone who is extremely opinionated yet can't defend their position to save their life.

    • @juancharley3203
      @juancharley3203 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

      Aka Trump supporters lol

    • @ElPresidenteMargz
      @ElPresidenteMargz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      @@juancharley3203also a lot of leftists like that too

    • @kethergriffin1901
      @kethergriffin1901 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +147

      ​@@ElPresidenteMargzThat's any political side.

    • @clam6254
      @clam6254 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@ElPresidenteMargzexample

    • @shuheihisagi6689
      @shuheihisagi6689 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ElPresidenteMargz Leftist are on the right track, thats all that really matters mister centrist loser.

  • @K-tw4wb
    @K-tw4wb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +311

    I watched this debate already and it was extremely painful to get through

    • @Benjiroyoface
      @Benjiroyoface 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      public humiliation type beat

  • @saibot9595
    @saibot9595 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +476

    The main problem with the video is that the Duplee guy was constantly backtracking and contradicting himself since he didn't want to fully commit to his side of the debate (most likely because he used to be a huge Fantano fanboy).
    He used to run a Fantano plug channel for years (he was even asked by Fantano himself to make a few videos for his main channel), and after getting thousands of subs with someone elses content he deleted everything and started making his own videos lol

    • @jmfordaliza3139
      @jmfordaliza3139 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      he the same person who hated FATD. Got his ass handed to fantano haha

    • @bluefood726
      @bluefood726 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      What’s a plug channel?

    • @saibot9595
      @saibot9595 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      @@bluefood726 a channel that reuploads clips and/or large portions of streams from other bigger content creators.
      Duplee used to upload 2 types of videos:
      -Fantano reacting to a single/album live on stream
      -Compilations of clips from Fantano hating on certain artists (Fantano asked him to do a few of these to upload on his main channel)
      He gained over 50k subs with this content and out of nowhere he deleted/privated everything and started uploading his own shit

    • @bluefood726
      @bluefood726 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@saibot9595 thank you so much for explaining that! 🙏🏿

    • @Revealingstorm.
      @Revealingstorm. 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@jmfordaliza3139tf is FATD?

  • @yorkqueer
    @yorkqueer 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +637

    these essay guys can never debate properly, they go on stream all shakey every damn time it's embarrassing

    • @GoodnightJonboi
      @GoodnightJonboi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +156

      Why would you expect them to debate properly? It’s a completely different thing. It’s like automatically thinking a rapper is gonna be good at freestyling. Obviously he agreed to it so he opens himself up to criticism, but let’s not pretend like he’s some idiot because he can’t debate. Debating is incredibly difficult and most people are not equipped for it.

    • @looy._.
      @looy._. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      this sound like some vaush propaganda 😹

    • @Fukuro14
      @Fukuro14 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

      ​@GoodnightJonboi they are also not as smart as they think they are. Really hard to respect someone that's so opinionated yet can't defend their position.

    • @GoodnightJonboi
      @GoodnightJonboi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@Fukuro14 I felt like Duplee was very respectful and good faith tho. He was trying to have a conversation. That’s the most you can hope for. Fantano, on the other hand, just sounded smug and condescending. Turning conversations into sport can be toxic. Most people are just looking for a blood bath.

    • @pbevburner
      @pbevburner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      debate & translating thought into speech is a skill lol. most folk ain't good in debate n it ain't exclusive to video essay folk either

  • @cjputasso
    @cjputasso 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +322

    2024 and people are mad at a dude for criticizing nazis 💀

    • @leeb5112
      @leeb5112 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

      even less than that, they’re mad at him for deciding not to review an album bc he didn’t agree with it and knew he couldn’t review it unbiasedly. like shouldn’t that be a good thing?
      i just don’t get why if they like the album so much they don’t just go listen to it instead of arguing with some guy on twitter about it. tons of kanye echo chambers you can just discuss the album in too, they like the album more as a talking point than actual music.

    • @silloweet
      @silloweet 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The National Socialist Party does not exist anymore. How can Ye be a Nazi

    • @joaquin5929
      @joaquin5929 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@leeb5112even if he did review it he would get harassed by it because it wouldn’t be a positive review. What a time to be alive

  • @turboshazed7370
    @turboshazed7370 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +961

    Goddamn people still mad at Fantano over this? There's two more unreviewables coming up Shawn Cee is a breath of fresh air fr

    • @firstlast9846
      @firstlast9846 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

      I didn’t agree with him.. but people still being angry at it is wild - it’s Fantano - he’s more or less known for having wild (sometimes if not mostly) unpopular takes. It’s nothing new. He’ll do it again with someone else’s album. Pointless being mad for this long.

    • @ayyyyMan
      @ayyyyMan 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      i doubt fantano will review those albums unless the music is exceptional which i really doubt. theres not much more to say about why hes a problem

    • @gulermo
      @gulermo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +90

      not only that but honestly? Vultures is not worth all of this anger, like THIS is the album people decided to send Fantano death threats over just because he doesn't enjoy it because of Kanye antisemitic acts? it's insane

    • @kristofermccormack6
      @kristofermccormack6 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      ​@@gulermoDuplee's vid was premised on the point that all the bad reviews for Vultures was cause Kanye is an anti-semite. Like the album was some masterpiece no one could have a geniune criticism for.

    • @ahmetyegenaga
      @ahmetyegenaga 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kristofermccormack6 idk man vultures was genuinely disappointing no clue how people can dick suck it sm

  • @reidro31
    @reidro31 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +430

    Duplee should have stuck with being the Fantano compilation guy

    • @prod.youngsensai
      @prod.youngsensai 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Nahhh yall doing him dirty his content is actually nice outside of this

    • @SunflowerLotusXII
      @SunflowerLotusXII 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      thats what makes this shit all the more sad to me; Duplee genuinely makes good content, so this came outta left field for me@@prod.youngsensai

    • @turboshazed7370
      @turboshazed7370 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      ​@@prod.youngsensaiwe ain't talking about that tho

    • @prod.youngsensai
      @prod.youngsensai 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@turboshazed7370 he literally said Duplee shouldve stuck to being fantano's compilatin guy im saying his original vidoes are good too. Am i missing sum??

    • @MadaraUchiha-gg3xc
      @MadaraUchiha-gg3xc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@prod.youngsensaiwhat is his content?? Eminem hater reacting to Eminem album?? Lmao😂 corny aehh content

  • @ghboy100
    @ghboy100 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +289

    part 2: Shawn vs Mojave

    • @Fezaki
      @Fezaki 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      lmaoo

    • @buggyking2523
      @buggyking2523 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      shout out Mojave

    • @tdub6542
      @tdub6542 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@buggyking2523mojave mohave!

    • @SuckMyRidges
      @SuckMyRidges 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah mojave solid

    • @poetmanshell
      @poetmanshell 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No way 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @aT47157
    @aT47157 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +123

    I wish mfs would just be straight up and say “idc about the issues” as opposed to hiding behind statements such as separating the art from the artist it’s really that simple

    • @ysgatora9287
      @ysgatora9287 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      "When you angrily call the Nazi a bad person, it hurts the feelings of those that like that Nazi because you said it so, so angrily..."

    • @tdub6542
      @tdub6542 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Literally, things will be simpler if ppl just say idc what Kanye believes imma still listen 💀

    • @fillydunit9763
      @fillydunit9763 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That literally is separating the art from the artist ?

    • @BOGOworms4sale
      @BOGOworms4sale 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@fillydunit9763no it’s not. It’s blindly accepting the artist because you like the art

    • @fillydunit9763
      @fillydunit9763 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BOGOworms4sale no? I can have nothing to do with the artist or his views but still listen to his music. Why are you guys acting like this isn't possible?

  • @untitled7549yt
    @untitled7549yt 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +821

    This wasn’t a debate this was a massacre 😭😭

    • @BlooBoi23
      @BlooBoi23 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

      The kid made himself look like a clown ngl. Worst debater ever. But his original point is still a good and fair point

    • @Coffeeandcheese1
      @Coffeeandcheese1 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, I felt the same

    • @Roy-pw2oe
      @Roy-pw2oe 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

      @@BlooBoi23hardly

    • @Matias-zh3dp
      @Matias-zh3dp 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Fantano rolling his eyes and making disrespectful faces when the other guy was trying to make his points, plus the cancerous chat made this impossible to watch for me.

    • @ChaosInColour
      @ChaosInColour 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +96

      @@Matias-zh3dp his points were god awful, I would be making those faces too

  • @BNA_Est.1988
    @BNA_Est.1988 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +121

    You can’t separate the art from the artist if the art is the thing that needs separating.

    • @leeb5112
      @leeb5112 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      yea you can only separate the art from the artist as much as the artist separates themselves from the art, which kanye has NEVER been good at so that convo has always been DOA to me

    • @BNA_Est.1988
      @BNA_Est.1988 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@leeb5112 exactly

  • @VectorButOld
    @VectorButOld 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    I think Duplee is suffering from the same issue that some music fans suffer from when it comes to the fandom, and that's being prepared for when the lack of research and criticism that you spew backfires on you. This entire debate was basically him backpedaling and trying to regain footing on shaky opinions that he wasn't sure of himself in the first place, especially in front of an individual that you openly respect and that has directly inspired your content. His points are all suffering from a lack of cohesive thought. Of course there is a thing where you should separate art from artist, and his original point is fair because at the end of the day we still listen to those who take lives and things of that nature. But i also believe it's woefully ignorant to disagree with the notion that Kanye is in fact putting antisemitic comments on the map, thus indirectly attempting to generalize antisemitism alongside others.
    Tldr; Duplee is nervous because his criticism backfired and now he has to backpedal for the sake of avoiding the consequences, on top of being woefully ignorant. Kanye makes great music, but don't shame Fantano for not wanting to listen to the music and allowing people to understand where he's coming from. He's not saying don't listen to the music, he's just saying why he won't and why you shouldn't listen to it blindly.

    • @chrissingh1181
      @chrissingh1181 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Kanye West is not putting antisemetic comments on the map. The people who are interviewing him and taking his delusions literally are. He is an unwell man who has paranoid delusions.

  • @squarecymbals
    @squarecymbals 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +197

    Glad Shawn has a mature grasp on why debate content is goofy as hell, it's wild how many ppl in these streamer spaces think it's cool to talk shit on experiences they'd never have

    • @thicccatto3956
      @thicccatto3956 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      My nigga, the internet itself is goofy as hell everything is a waste of time watching music reviews or watching reaction videos aren't paying your bills either it's all entertainment

  • @scumganz
    @scumganz 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +163

    14:06 I been sayin this for so long thank you for mentioning this. I’ll bring up a personal experience where some racist shit happened to me, and the person I’ll mention it to will say sumn like “Well you know black people are racist towards white and asian people too, right?” idk why u felt the need to turn my personal experience into a gotcha moment when i don’t even do or say racist shit to begin with😑

    • @missrespectful
      @missrespectful 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Everybody learned what gaslighting means so now they’re resorting to deflection. I wonder what their next tactic will be.

    • @ThePhreakass
      @ThePhreakass 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I didn't watch the video, but if you try to be in good faith about it the person might assume that you generalized people from his group and they felt the need to tell you that being racist is a fault in humans as a whole.

    • @missrespectful
      @missrespectful 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@ThePhreakass this video is a thorough explanation for why it’s *not* safe to assume somebody is attacking you or generalizing your “group” when they are talking about their own, real life experiences. The burden of proof is on the person that made the assumption.

    • @usernamesmatter
      @usernamesmatter 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@ThePhreakassand that person who’s saying that “racism is a fault in humans generally” is conflating systemic racism and social racism

    • @ThePhreakass
      @ThePhreakass 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @missrespectful My guy, this is not how communication in everyday life works. You are (hopefully) not talking to Ben Shapiro or other debate bros. Just clear up the miscommunication and it will be fine (unless the one you are talking to is acting in bad faith)

  • @shrimpscampin
    @shrimpscampin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +397

    "the lyrics about him being antisemitic weren't antisemitic, they were referencing OTHER people calling him antisemitic "
    Yea because he SAID ANTISEMITIC THINGS 💀💀💀

    • @mariokarter13
      @mariokarter13 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      "Hoodrat would've improved if the chorus was 'From the river to the sea.'"

    • @silloweet
      @silloweet 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ye is Jew

    • @user-wl8zm2gl5r
      @user-wl8zm2gl5r 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The points valid though LOL

    • @REXae86
      @REXae86 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He didn’t tho

    • @shrimpscampin
      @shrimpscampin 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @mariokarter13 hoodrat would improve if it didn't exist

  • @Aryan-eo4hb
    @Aryan-eo4hb 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Also, Shawn, I love your fears to fathom vids, upload more horror video game gameplays, i love how you genuinely react to the scenarios in the game lol, unrelated but wanted to put it out there

  • @zeefje
    @zeefje 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

    Cant wait for shawns debate bro arc!

    • @karstencarsten9964
      @karstencarsten9964 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

      He too mature for that

    • @adfeas
      @adfeas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@karstencarsten9964debating is immature? damn

    • @karstencarsten9964
      @karstencarsten9964 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +71

      ​@@adfeasdebate bros are immature. Like 99% of "debaters" are people like Ben Shapiro or destiny.

    • @ChaosInColour
      @ChaosInColour 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@adfeasit can be depending on the topic and your opponent. Fantanos opponent definitely made this debate an immature waste of time lmao

    • @adfeas
      @adfeas 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@karstencarsten9964 you couldnt have said anything any more ignorant, what you see on the side of the internet that you are aint the entire landscape

  • @rouge939
    @rouge939 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +106

    Vultures isn’t even worth all this drama. It’s such a rushed unmastered mid ass album

    • @boo1488
      @boo1488 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Itd not mid it's ass

  • @BoboKoyo
    @BoboKoyo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

    Everyone wanna be a master bater now, why does everything need to be a debate. Why can't people just have a conversation without thinking the other person is attacking your intelligence or proving you're right/better. Tired of all the master bating that's going on in the world 😤

    • @pbevburner
      @pbevburner 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      most yt Folk stay arguing, not debating😭

    • @DanielzeugirdoR
      @DanielzeugirdoR 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Im tryne be the Master Bater😈

    • @aaaaa-dd9lu
      @aaaaa-dd9lu 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Wanna be WHAT?!?!

    • @maplerrrrr
      @maplerrrrr 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      because a debate is a conversation between two opposing ideas

    • @BoboKoyo
      @BoboKoyo 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​​​​@@maplerrrrrYou can have a normal conversation with opposing ideas and not make it a debate. You are not forced to argue with someone just because you don't agree with them. You can acknowledge you don't agree with them but you don't have to make it a pissing contest. You can try to learn from one another rather than shutting them down alongside their beliefs. Some people love master bating but to me it's tiring and draining when that's all you see on the internet 😪

  • @MrDeftones122755
    @MrDeftones122755 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    Like we need to be nice but they can be out there as possible cus of free speech. They dont have any consideration for the people they talk about but want us to be understanding of them.

    • @Dylan03917
      @Dylan03917 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Facts. They literally will be insulting people for existing, be trying to take rights for people for existing, and then get mad because someone told them they were wrong and tried to say it out but did it less than nice as a grandma.

  • @traplover6357
    @traplover6357 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    You know when the "debate" rear-ended into terminally online political figures and events that nobody irl knows. Like is there a wiki recap on what they referencing? 😂

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      I mean, a comment like that just sounds like you got a more suitable, smaller table over there to sit at if you can't keep up with the topic.

    • @colonelpopcorn7702
      @colonelpopcorn7702 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      So there’s this thing called google

  • @DG-gx8pn
    @DG-gx8pn 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +70

    Bro said “I’m not a centrist” then proceeded to describe himself as a centrist

    • @cueshq789
      @cueshq789 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Its common for people to know the connotations of a label rather than the actual definition of said label

  • @neckinhalf
    @neckinhalf 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    I watched this "debate" on Fantano's channel and could feel my IQ going down whenever the other dude was talking.

  • @beej8y
    @beej8y 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    Duplee definitely thought shit was sweet

    • @jaysven6153
      @jaysven6153 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      He indeed did. He quickly found out, that in fact, shit was NOT sweet.

    • @WZ4RD3
      @WZ4RD3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh please fantano isn’t this godly reviewer Like yall try to persuade .

    • @ChillChrill
      @ChillChrill 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      GOAT pfp, love that album

    • @cueshq789
      @cueshq789 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@WZ4RD3hes just experienced in his field

    • @WZ4RD3
      @WZ4RD3 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@cueshq789 and what field is that exactly ? Having an opinion like anyone else can ? I watch fantano cause he’s funny at times . I wouldn’t say it takes a genius to review music . Especially when music these days really in a way sounds the same . You have all these artists and eventually they all start to sound the same because of the musical component side . And then when you try to judge the lyrics of songs I mean really music is all just a vibe you can’t really I feel like rate something that is suppose to resonate with someone . Sure some artist have songs that doesn’t resonate with mos people but then that doesn’t make them a bad artist it’s just those vibes they put out those particular people can’t resonate .

  • @JamsandTea
    @JamsandTea 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    Glad to see the cringe of this debate was universal. Fantano’s comments section is so awful you could easily mistake it for everyone thinking Fantano flubbed it

  • @taylormade9748
    @taylormade9748 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    The problem with saying “who cares” is because ITS A DEBATE! the ppl who are engaging in the back forth and sharing their points are presenting their thoughts and points. It’s no reason to watch a video about two ppl sharing their views if the reactor only says “who cares.” We know that none of it matters but for the sake of a the convo/debate, you must actually engage with what’s being presented

    • @AnnoyingRadioHD
      @AnnoyingRadioHD 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      That's what im saying. If you are debating live and the other person won't change their mind despite being provided evidence, then your focus should turn toward the people listening who will. Saying who cares seems like a cynical way of viewing something we've been doing for as long as civilization began.

  • @DangerousTempest
    @DangerousTempest 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Its also the folks who say "wokeness is ruining everything"; the folks who cry about pronouns and shit; the folks who say everyone is too sensitive, that are CRYING about "youre saying things to me in a mean voice so now i cant hear you"

  • @baukelotringen3124
    @baukelotringen3124 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

    We should thank duplee for being a perfect representation of all the kanye stans rn. What I mean by that is just…dumb. Im sorry

    • @boo1488
      @boo1488 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't be sorry.

  • @EdWedgie
    @EdWedgie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

    Duplee kinda slow he’s like 18

    • @ideac.
      @ideac. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      he is 20 i think

    • @lepetitmort1150
      @lepetitmort1150 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ideac. and thats the thing for me!!! niggas talking about "OoOoOoOoHh!!! Fantano owned Duplee!!!" bruh, Duplee is a CHILD (respectfully). Fantano don't get no points for this debate. It's like a grown up arguing with a child. I would LOVE to see him debate Ye, though. I bet that nigga Fantano would NOT KTSE.

    • @BLUEPELICAN234
      @BLUEPELICAN234 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You zoomers cant express yourselves at all. Zero social skills only online skills

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@ideac. Right, so he's like 18. Everybody's basically like 18 till they hit ~25-27.

    • @EdWedgie
      @EdWedgie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@Trepanation21 that age where you think you know everything too

  • @HookedonChronics
    @HookedonChronics 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    That shit about pawns on a chessboard is the realist thing I've heard in a minute. They don't care about that part, it's about being "right"

  • @nahyeah5473
    @nahyeah5473 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    “I’m unbiased”
    “Nah ur not tho”
    “Oh yeah u right”
    💀💀

  • @camdatboi
    @camdatboi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +79

    Damn I just watched this bih imma watch it again tho

    • @Yoxhio_
      @Yoxhio_ 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      short summary? who won who was dumb?

    • @camdatboi
      @camdatboi 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      @@Yoxhio_ most will say fantano Ion really got anyone winning I feel like we got nowhere with it

    • @Kurokyura
      @Kurokyura 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Fantano been acting funny sense he stated split roasting

  • @FHornHero
    @FHornHero 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes of it, it was so painful

  • @2009bigtony
    @2009bigtony 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    Damn duplee dug himself a grave wit dis one 😭 don’t u ever Shawn

  • @dtmdtm4819
    @dtmdtm4819 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Yea man, idk, I saw the duplee video and thought buried beneath some verbal diarrhoea he had a sort of valid point, to some extent. But man, this debate was not great.
    I just hope there isn’t too much of a pile on for the guy. He’s just misguided.

  • @Sarkane1256
    @Sarkane1256 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    the difference between fantano and shawn for me is that shawn didn’t listen to the album and fantano did

    • @johnramos8703
      @johnramos8703 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      “The difference between this person and that person is that one of them didn’t do a thing and the other did” Very deep

    • @xsic2429
      @xsic2429 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@johnramos8703they both have the same viewpoint that kanye doesn’t deserve a review but fantano still engages with the kanye music by listening and then making a video on him for his main channel while Shawn Didn’t even give Kanye’s album a chance because he stayed firm to his beliefs, that the point he tryna make

    • @MylesKillis
      @MylesKillis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@xsic2429yeah fantano made a video called unreveiwable while actually reviewing it and doing a whole live stream of it

    • @zod4365
      @zod4365 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@MylesKillis also, making MULTIPLE pokes in reference to singles coming out. The dude is a fraud and gives lower scores based on something an artist said that he's doesn't agree with. (Gave Royce a lower score because Royce mentioned autism, and Kendrick a lower score because he mentioned Black Israelite ideologies)

    • @Sarkane1256
      @Sarkane1256 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johnramos8703 i wasn’t trying to be deep, john. one of these people decided to listen to the album on stream, clip it, post it to their streaming channel, and then make a separate video that he knew would cause controversy, calling it unreviewable. he then decided to debate a kid who definitely is not equipped to have an actual debate on this so he could easily destroy them. dont remember him saying that he’s donating the money he’s making from any of this to any Jewish groups so in my view he’s profiting off the antisemitism while claiming to be against it. ive said this other places but he could’ve made a tweet/community post saying hes not reviewing the album and no one would’ve cared to this degree. he made those videos to make money, not for some principled stance against antisemitism. this is where the problem arises for me. i hope that this was deep enough for you john, it certainly was for ur mum.

  • @drewmcdonald8065
    @drewmcdonald8065 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    I wonder if Shawn knows that Duplee use to re-upload Fantanos stream content all the time.

  • @radicard5193
    @radicard5193 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    37:23 What helps is that the lighting on him exactly fits with the background he chooses somehow

  • @regulus851
    @regulus851 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    “How do you argue when you don’t know what you’re talking about” real shit

  • @iamthurnis745
    @iamthurnis745 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +98

    two white men debating kanye during THIS month is wild

    • @crazybalrog4033
      @crazybalrog4033 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      You really don't have to make it racial

    • @zeenithh
      @zeenithh 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If we really wanna go down that road, black history month is just for the corporations to profit. Not celebrating us, bhm is irrelevant

    • @Based_Proletariat
      @Based_Proletariat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​​@@crazybalrog4033
      You can.
      It's true.
      My issue is being quick to
      call a blacc person a notcee and not a whyte person.

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Prioritizing the value judgement of skin color during THIS month is also wild

    • @iamthurnis745
      @iamthurnis745 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Trepanation21 …okay

  • @ideac.
    @ideac. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    Duplee seems like a nice guy, i can see that he has a heart for all of that but he was definitely not prepared for this debate ngl

  • @Lontrin
    @Lontrin 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    FantoBoy really cooked this kid up

  • @bukhabusa4819
    @bukhabusa4819 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +242

    free palestine 🇵🇸

    • @user-jz8dd3zj8e
      @user-jz8dd3zj8e 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If you don’t mind me asking, how is this in relation to the video? Not to say to stop protesting, it’s just that saying something like that in a video that looks like it’s not necessary is questionable.

    • @bukhabusa4819
      @bukhabusa4819 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@user-jz8dd3zj8e its alright its just that the topic of “anti-semitism” was brought up a lot during the video and its hard to feel any sympathy towards jewish people with all the stuff happening in palestine atm

    • @joemcg23
      @joemcg23 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@bukhabusa4819a lot of Jews (including me) are horrified by the genocide and actions of Israel and advocate for a free Palestine and a ceasefire too. You can be pro-Palestinian rights and still stand up against antisemitism. Jews ≠ the Israeli government.

    • @midsolis
      @midsolis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bukhabusa4819I don’t know, two things can be true at once, you know? Kanye isn’t as bad as Netanyahu, but they’re both prejudiced scumbags. You can have empathy for innocents on both sides. Also, all Zionists aren’t Jewish and all Jews aren’t Zionists. To put them in the same boat is not the direction to go in. It’ll only lead to more prejudiced action

    • @AstroLogicalBeats
      @AstroLogicalBeats 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bukhabusa4819 bruh.. mentioning Palestine anytime the subject of Jews comes up is straight up weird. Why are all Jewish people responsible for what Israel's government does? Is it just because it's the only Jewish-majority country on the planet? I can't think of any other country that people would think it's okay to judge an entire race of people on.

  • @phettywappharmaceuticalsll8842
    @phettywappharmaceuticalsll8842 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Dude looks like the guy from high school who couldn’t make it through boot camp because of some mystery physical issue but still keeps the haircut

  • @ossiejon-nwakalo8644
    @ossiejon-nwakalo8644 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Through out this entire vid I kept saying, “WTF are you saying?!?!?!”

  • @missrespectful
    @missrespectful 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    I haven’t seen a healthy, grounded debate in over a decade at this point. It’s all about dunking on people no matter how unhinged the actual take is. Imagine telling people to watch their tone while arguing Kanye West should not watch his tone… People give validation to anything that breathes.

    • @pineapple7024
      @pineapple7024 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Debates aren’t about changing minds, they’re about winning points

  • @Based_Proletariat
    @Based_Proletariat 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I thought Duplee was from the states, but listening to bro talk long enough, he sounds like Niko Belic for real.
    Bro has brought into the false narrative that "conservatives are being censored" talking point, even though they aren't (they should though)

  • @looy._.
    @looy._. 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Bro how is this whole situation about weather or not you can hate on a nazi? Wtf type drama is this?

    • @jerelgayle3625
      @jerelgayle3625 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I’m tryin to rack my brain, exactly when and how we got to this point. The only thing I can think of, as of now, is either too many ppl didn’t pay attention in history class, or too many grading curves happened allowed ppl to pass when they should have been held back to make sure they understand the material being taught.

    • @Trepanation21
      @Trepanation21 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      These young bucks either forgot their grandparents fought Nzis, were victimized by Nzis, or they like that their grandparents _were_ Nzis.

    • @Whackadoo1
      @Whackadoo1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Anti-intellectualism is real in America

    • @1dingerr
      @1dingerr 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's about whether or not you should engage with the art of someone who you think is problematic. Kanye has said some pretty bad stuff, but he is also in the top 10 most popular artists right now and has been for a long time. If we look at other artists he has reviewed, a lot of them have said and done some awful stuff so it seems hypocritical to single out Kanye - all while he's creating a bunch of content around Kanye and farming engagement from the controversy.

  • @ButchCrassidy
    @ButchCrassidy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    This video made me realize how much I dislike debate and reaction videos.

  • @bluefood726
    @bluefood726 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This entire exchange was totally beneath him and entirely anti-intellectual

  • @marmiteghost
    @marmiteghost 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i wouldnt be able to stand watching this "debate" without someone else with sense reacting to it, thank u for ur service shawn

  • @prod_westpark
    @prod_westpark 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    duplee wafflin so hard rn bruh

  • @theshadow3286
    @theshadow3286 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Big up shawn, his commentary on this was great, spat a lot of facts

  • @nonyodambiz
    @nonyodambiz 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Something that I hate is when the guy also has to like "compliment" fantano in order to "show that he still has respect for him" when to me I see it as the dude kissing his ass just so he can try to get in his good graces, which to me feels like a tactic for fantano not to engage with the arguments as harshly as he is. This guy doesn't have a good reason to debate him, he just hates that someone is being harsh on Kanye senpai.

  • @vagueorsomething
    @vagueorsomething 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Damn I’ve seen some of duplees vids in the past and enjoyed them, wtf happened to bro 💀 hard to even call this shit a debate

  • @UntitledNameGangIsTouringAmmos
    @UntitledNameGangIsTouringAmmos 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Debates have become completely performative which can be entertaining but kind of undermines the message that's trying to be conveyed

  • @braedonmichael
    @braedonmichael 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    it’s hilarious people are mad at fantano for calling an album “unreviewable” but when ye is a nazi ppl look the other way😭😭

  • @hudsonclarkk
    @hudsonclarkk 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    12:00 this statement alone got u a sub bc that shit is baffling

  • @LilDebCake
    @LilDebCake 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Pretty funny how Duplee use to have a dedicated Fabiano fanboy channel that he uploaded clips and compilations too. He got all his subs and numbers from him and now acts like he’s some music review genius

  • @vagueorsomething
    @vagueorsomething 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These guys have collabed as editors and friends in the past by the way, duplee had a vid on his channel

  • @yorellcyrus2463
    @yorellcyrus2463 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    separate the topic from the conversation

  • @chrisptophu
    @chrisptophu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Yeah I’m not sure where people are still surprised with fantano… whether you agree or not he doesn’t really change stances like that. He’s always been this way, atleast for the damn near 10 years i been watching him lmao

  • @Gyro609
    @Gyro609 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “How do you back track that though?” -Unc Shawn

  • @getsilenced3434
    @getsilenced3434 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fantano sounds like Ben Shapiro at 2x💀💀

  • @WhiteLionProd15
    @WhiteLionProd15 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    shawn vs mojave next

  • @d.1.dx3thapain47
    @d.1.dx3thapain47 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Duplee is finally getting exposed. Thank you 🙏🏿

  • @ocher8931
    @ocher8931 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The point you made about debate content is excellent. It’s trash.

  • @jtm2144
    @jtm2144 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    fantano a better man than me for not mentioning the fact duplee was a plug channel for him for a minute 😭

  • @mcbill7352
    @mcbill7352 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    this is such an embarassing 'debate'. he cannot even follow his own line of reasoning, bro is just talking nonsense

  • @leobellevue3848
    @leobellevue3848 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    it's a very bad look when you have very strong opinions about a topic and you are unwilling to admit they make no sense even when someone shows you you can't defend them

  • @obscurejade
    @obscurejade 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    anyone who talks, remotely, about kanye west will always revert to "im here for the music" but then actively talk about his transgressions. it's not that deep, listen to him on your time instead of giving the people you disagree with a reason to dislike the dude and his fans even more.

  • @db76177
    @db76177 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    man you too EDUCATED

  • @dawgwhatintheL7894
    @dawgwhatintheL7894 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    if anything this is top tier marketing at the end of the day whether good or bad Kanye is still relevant and being talked about, bro gets the last laugh and gets richer everyday

  • @itzmimz8238
    @itzmimz8238 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Kanye has more white stans than ever

  • @spacecash9721
    @spacecash9721 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I only watched for 10 minutes lmao but you real hahaha. "How did we get here?" 🤣 world upside down ahahaha it's a clown show

  • @nonyeVezi
    @nonyeVezi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They're doing mindless debates on TikTok now to get engagement. I've run into at least 4 on my fyp, and it never feels like anyone is listening to the content, only presentation.

  • @digital_syringes
    @digital_syringes 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    duplee was all of us during those high school presentations though dont lie

  • @FG-kl8fi
    @FG-kl8fi 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    He just sound like a hurt Kanye fan

  • @Noodlyk18
    @Noodlyk18 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This feels like watching my ADHD ass in my first job interview that I did NOT prepare for whatsoever. What are you even trying to say dude. Debating is hard, but when you're doing this poorly, it just looks like you didn't think much about the opinion you have much at all. Fantano has plenty of takes I don't agree with, but he's been doing this for a long time, freestyling a debate a gainst him is a terrible idea lol. I can't with the video essay dudes. The "making a thinkpiece but can't think" sums it up.

  • @gawdspeed
    @gawdspeed 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Its almost unfair for Fantano to debate this kid. Fantano’s ability to articulate and reason is way more advanced than his! haha

  • @notyourmum9938
    @notyourmum9938 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shawn cee, mate you are one bloody clever fella 👏

  • @FrannieFibgert
    @FrannieFibgert 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can tell he chatgpt’d the script for his video because he doesn’t know anything he’s talking about. He’s trying to argue a point he doesn’t even understand lmao

  • @timeanddrive5811
    @timeanddrive5811 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    11:39 maybe don’t skip halfway into a debate then ask “how did we get here??” Lmfao dude you missed the whole video, just watch it chronologically then you’ll figure out how they got there 😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @RaulHernandez-li8po
    @RaulHernandez-li8po 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Bro got his cheeks clapped 😂

  • @AngeloArpeggio
    @AngeloArpeggio 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Someone please put beg forgiveness on this😂😂😂😂

  • @saskiaindira3062
    @saskiaindira3062 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    they called him melon or ball or something like that 😂

  • @kanyesouth9397
    @kanyesouth9397 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like it might have been better if he never dropped a review at all, or reacted to it on stream engaging with these toxic people. All they really want is to get a rise out of him, maybe he could have just made a community post saying how it would go against his principles to review the album. Also I feel like it would have been a good idea to address that times in the past where he has separated the art from the art from the artist with extremists was a mistake/not applicable to the situation.

  • @HGoodra
    @HGoodra 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    20:57 cuz we black

  • @whybegin1285
    @whybegin1285 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    left leaning people are more open. That's how they became left leaning!!

    • @martian_chan
      @martian_chan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So being left leaning means feeling okay with Kanye spewing hateful garbage?

    • @whybegin1285
      @whybegin1285 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@martian_chan nope I’m saying fantano is the left leaning one of the 2. He was actually open and thats what led him to the conclusion to review Ye the way he did. Whoever that other guy is claims to be open but would identify as “centrist” which doesn’t even exist in America. Both parties are pretty right leaning because of how afraid of communism we are, the only differences in the parties are random meaningless social differences, like democrats not hating gay people and not being against abortion (but not necessarily doing anything to support at the same time). The political spectrum is binary in the US which is why issues are so divisive, u can’t be in the middle on most of it cuz that doesn’t exist

    • @martian_chan
      @martian_chan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@whybegin1285 That’s fair yeah. I know people who claimed to be centrist and they weren’t centrist. They were just right winged but didn’t want to say it.

  • @AdrenolinFlux
    @AdrenolinFlux 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How is it possible to simultaneously be an ethnicity and a religion? What is the purpose of creating the distinction if it’s a free religion that any race can join?

    • @I_can_do_20_push-ups
      @I_can_do_20_push-ups 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There’s basically the religion “Judaism” whose adherents are called “Jews” and a set of ethnic groups and cultures referred to as “Jewish” and the boundaries don’t completely line up between those two.
      For example Stanley Kubrick was Jewish by blood, but was an Atheist.

    • @Adam-oq2lq
      @Adam-oq2lq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can not just join to their group, that's the whole point

    • @AdrenolinFlux
      @AdrenolinFlux 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Adam-oq2lq so the religion is exclusionary based on your ethnicity?

    • @-HumanOnEarth-
      @-HumanOnEarth- 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      This is a super basic cliffnotes answer but basically Judaism is an extremely old religion that predates a lot of modern day ethnicities. As such, many ethnicities of ancient times had Jewish populations withing them, and these populations were often segregated from the rest of society. Because of this, the decendents of these old Jewish communities have in some cases remained relatively ethnically distinct, leading to people who are 'ethnically Jewish.' Judaism is still a religion today though and so not everyone who practices the religion is necessarily ethnically Jewish. If you want a more educational answer you'll just have to look it up cause again, this was a very shallow answer to a pretty deep question.

    • @AdrenolinFlux
      @AdrenolinFlux 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@-HumanOnEarth- ty. wow imagine the gumption creating a religion out of your own ethnicity

  • @yungbackshots
    @yungbackshots 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Duplee is straight up slow.

  • @celondelon351
    @celondelon351 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Duplee is the centrist MLK warns about

  • @blcskho1400
    @blcskho1400 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    stop arguing with people that look and have the intelligence level of adin ross

  • @slunkzilla
    @slunkzilla 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fantano came in HOT

  • @ImpendingRiot83
    @ImpendingRiot83 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Fantano’s Mojave moment

  • @martian_chan
    @martian_chan 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don’t get what Kanye fans want? Would you rather someone say they don’t like it and move on? Why can’t they give reasons for not liking it? I feel like no matter what you do, you will be villainized by rabid Kanye fans for not liking his stuff.

  • @kjsakuma
    @kjsakuma 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I've never defended Fantano more in my life and I don't even like him lol. If we can't come to a close that promoting N@z!sm is a very screwed up thing to do? Im not even telling ppl what music they should or shouldn't listen to but you can't take a step back and c why it's justified to hold him accountable for supporting yt racist ideologies? My only gripe is that u dont convince ppl who dont even respect u enough to prep for a debate so I dont c how its helpful for Fantano to argue w these ppl.

    • @kjsakuma
      @kjsakuma 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I also respectfully disagree w Shawn about Ye not bring hateful towards blk ppl regardless him being blk himself. When u just disregard the worse thing that has happened to us as a "choice" and have no respect to even research, his statement on Tubman, reducing George Floyd's murder to "he just choked" he's been a repeat offender in being vehemently anti blk. Again w no respect to even research and methodical come to conclusions why what he said was wrong either. He's a leech using his status in rap to try to fit in while still regarding other blk ppl in the same negative light his n@z! brethren would. He is a blk skinhead.

  • @understanding77
    @understanding77 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    These guys don't know how to debate , just stick to video essays