Dr Berry I found it disconcerting when Chris was laughing when talking about the 17 yo lad dying. Eating any extreme WOE is playing Russian Roulette...pure and simple.
I suspect that calorie's restriction which happens at a sweet spot for hormones when you eat more than mantainance but less than TDEE through workouts or other activities (so a slight deficit but not below the basal needs) then any macro imbalace is well treated by the body. I failed on both high carb or high fat being both high in calories but when on slight deficit and high proteins my blood test was "perfect". Micronutrients have to be adbundant, but the macros could be a "problem" if in excess, any macro. Carbs can be made. Fats can be stored. Proteins can be recycled. Our body is made to respond to scarcity not plenty and thrives on it. Then short times of overeating and even high insuline and some weight gain are well tolerated. Would you make blood test on those periods they'd be a mess. Fortunally ancestors did not respond to test bu to instinct and wisdom that made them stop overating...or to the environment. What is impossible in rich countries today and lot sugary and junk food literally being put in your mouth everywhere
Dr. Chris Masterjohn, Could type A's and later type Bs and ABs, have evolved to handle grains (agrarian societies) and also evolved to be less able to digest meat/excess protein? Could processed protein powders offer additional toxicity? (yes)
"Are we evolved to eat...". The really useful questions would be how much does each of us actually need to eat in order not to lead to an eventual long-term protein deficiency, what is the maximum level of intake we can tolerate short and long-term, and how might we determine these. Of course these can be expected to depend not only on such factors as pre-existing nutritional status, and needs for tissue growth and repair, and the ways in which these might fluctuate over time, or change progressively with age, but also, for instance the amino acid composition of the proteins. Animal proteins (and, if I'm not mistaken but stand to be corrected, certain non-animal sources such as yeast), comprise the different amino acids in ratios much closer to those in the human body as a whole, than do most plant proteins. However my three questions above, are ones to which I have yet to find truly rigorous, critical, and rational (in the sense of being free from ideological or cognitive biases) answers.
It did not work for me, no matter the one year; n only meats (organ, fish, etc) and varyong the fat intake. Whole starches+lean meats+fasting, this works at best and puts me in a not stressing mild nutritional ketosis, best of botj words, body fat for endurance and glucose for intensity. No way I can make the same volume of daily training without glucose, only short-time intensity or slow endurance
Genetic variability. I need one diet to thrive. Another person needs another. On the wrong diet I can't function. No diagnosis. Human diets vary over time. So I suppose we evolved so that a few people simply die off when our diets are varied over time between biomes. Must be based in hunter-gatherer lifestyles surely..
@michael p Anything above 1g per lb lean body mass per day is a waste for putting on muscle when resistance training. Less protein for those not doing resistance training, more for those losing weight. More details: examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/
Ammonia breath is real, my brother has it, and its different from acetone breath, it somewhat smells like pee. What I also saw is that I do a lot better on a carnivore diet and fasting, carbs just makes me sluggish. Its opposite for my brother. He does well on moderate animal protein and too much animal protein make him have ammonia breath real bad. Also he consistently feels sluggish during longer fasts. I think we should acknowledge different people having different polymorphisms and the diets suitable for it.
I found it disconcerting when Chris was laughing when talking about the 17 yo lad dying. Eating any extreme WOE is playing Russian Roulette...pure and simple.
He says he eats about 300 grams of protein and 3,000 calories a day, that's 1,200 calories from protein, or less than 50% from protein. So where are the other calories coming from? Obviously a mix of carbs and fat but he should lay it all out. He even said he eats 4,000 calories at the end, so the math is vague and he should just lay out his macros.
I know. That is why "high protein" is not as "high" as people think when you examine it as a percentage of total cals. Some sources like egg whites and whey are marketed because they don't have any fat. Pure protein. I'm actually doing high fat now. 50% fat or more. Even throwing out the egg whites.
@@mennehgambia1962 Unlike you I did the math involved in his statement. He said 300 grams or protein and does not mention his other macros. People should be transparent.
But how do you get that amount? 10 drinks whey? 2 kilo meat? i have struggle to eat even 250 gram....TIPS people ( i cant eat whey, soy, weat, or pea...haha i know it sucks and i am FAT! ) HELP Humans of Hyper age
There is NO such real thing as "glucose deprivation" ! We DO NOT NEED glucose in any measurable amount from our diet. It is an 'on-demand' need. What teeny tiny amts we might need can be supplied by protein or fats.
Eric Y. Your comment is completely stupid & wrong. Even in a Carbohydrate fed state the body converts Triglycerides and/or free fatty acids into glucose through gluconeogenesis. Fat is the primary source of glucose converted via gluconeogenesis amino acids are secondary. And it’s demand driven. Carb-based dieters who are restricting calories or eating under 200g of carbs per day will stimulate a degree of gluconeogenesis from vigorous exercise
@@WolfgangLizana nevertheless try to make daily sport activity with zero carbs and feel the eifference. Those 200gr cho literally made me doble the volume of training, lowered the stress, replenished the energy for high intensity. Cho are not essential, but life without is miserable for many. Maybe it is ok for sedentary people or a part of population genetically adapt to such regimen. But before considering a whole macro useless maybe we shouod consider the abuse of high energy refined foods in general.
Marco Guy, I competed in muay thai after 10 months into keto. I even have a video on my channel where you can tell my stamina and speed is clearly not inhibited by eating no carbs. I’ve been sparring, doing interval conditioning & heavy weight training all of 2019 on less than 20grams per day of netcarbs. If you had issues with performinf well on keto, maybe you weren’t eating enough protein. Maybe nt enough calories. Maybe not enough sodium. Maybe not enough fat. These are all common problems people have that can be solved with simple changes
Won't prevent ammonia toxicity but arginine supplements do improve heart function, particularly when combined with taurine. However, both come from meat so as long as you are getting enough protein from animal sources you will be fine.
Why are so many people able to be on high-protein diets (LCHF, keto, carnivore, etc) for years and decades without any kidney damage? According to you, when does the kidney finally die out in order for reality to set in? Sure, eventually the kidney dies when the whole body dies, as no one yet has attained mortality. Beyond that, it doesn't appear to be an issue.
So does running and exercise in all forms. In fact simply breathing stresses the lungs too. On the other hand many compounds in plants DAMAGE kidneys not just stress them.
Achaeos Salisbury Funny, right near the start he mentions how horrible ammonia if for the body..but animal proteins produce a massive amount of ammonia in the kidneys. ( there are a huge amount of studies to back this out..google it; )
The kidneys are made of protein. Do you really think that protein gets destroyed by protein? Does eating protein ruin your muscles? No. Obviously not. You NEED protein to make your kidneys work.
@@inphiknitfractal Animal proteins produce less ammonia than plant proteins. This is undisputable fact as there are more proteins that need broken down in plants. Things like taurine, glutathione, and carnitine - which are proteins high only in meats - do not need broken down and so avoid ammonia production.
Excellent discussion about protein requirements and what protein actually does in the body.
Doc you sure do some research ,you pop up in every video on nutrition i watch lol.
Love seeing you pop up eveywhere doc haha
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I found it disconcerting when Chris was laughing when talking about the 17 yo lad dying.
Eating any extreme WOE is playing Russian Roulette...pure and simple.
Dr. Berry please Do talk about it in your videos!!
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thanks Kit, at 1: 58
I suspect that calorie's restriction which happens at a sweet spot for hormones when you eat more than mantainance but less than TDEE through workouts or other activities (so a slight deficit but not below the basal needs) then any macro imbalace is well treated by the body. I failed on both high carb or high fat being both high in calories but when on slight deficit and high proteins my blood test was "perfect". Micronutrients have to be adbundant, but the macros could be a "problem" if in excess, any macro. Carbs can be made. Fats can be stored. Proteins can be recycled. Our body is made to respond to scarcity not plenty and thrives on it. Then short times of overeating and even high insuline and some weight gain are well tolerated. Would you make blood test on those periods they'd be a mess. Fortunally ancestors did not respond to test bu to instinct and wisdom that made them stop overating...or to the environment. What is impossible in rich countries today and lot sugary and junk food literally being put in your mouth everywhere
Dr. Chris Masterjohn, Could type A's and later type Bs and ABs, have evolved to handle grains (agrarian societies) and also evolved to be less able to digest meat/excess protein? Could processed protein powders offer additional toxicity? (yes)
I'm ab and need keto. Thrive on carnivore. 🤔
Key word in the title is "All".
"Are we evolved to eat...". The really useful questions would be how much does each of us actually need to eat in order not to lead to an eventual long-term protein deficiency, what is the maximum level of intake we can tolerate short and long-term, and how might we determine these. Of course these can be expected to depend not only on such factors as pre-existing nutritional status, and needs for tissue growth and repair, and the ways in which these might fluctuate over time, or change progressively with age, but also, for instance the amino acid composition of the proteins. Animal proteins (and, if I'm not mistaken but stand to be corrected, certain non-animal sources such as yeast), comprise the different amino acids in ratios much closer to those in the human body as a whole, than do most plant proteins. However my three questions above, are ones to which I have yet to find truly rigorous, critical, and rational (in the sense of being free from ideological or cognitive biases) answers.
if you have less muscle you are less healthy, so by that metric it makes little sense to restrict it.
I get my energy from fat not glucose. Carnivore!!
real '' rocket fuel '' Animal Fat ! ! no more sugar in my gas tank...
It did not work for me, no matter the one year; n only meats (organ, fish, etc) and varyong the fat intake. Whole starches+lean meats+fasting, this works at best and puts me in a not stressing mild nutritional ketosis, best of botj words, body fat for endurance and glucose for intensity. No way I can make the same volume of daily training without glucose, only short-time intensity or slow endurance
Shawn Baker.
Genetic variability. I need one diet to thrive. Another person needs another. On the wrong diet I can't function. No diagnosis. Human diets vary over time. So I suppose we evolved so that a few people simply die off when our diets are varied over time between biomes. Must be based in hunter-gatherer lifestyles surely..
Since the body cannot store excess protein, probably a waste of money to eat excess high protein foods.
@michael p Anything above 1g per lb lean body mass per day is a waste for putting on muscle when resistance training. Less protein for those not doing resistance training, more for those losing weight. More details: examine.com/nutrition/how-much-protein-do-you-need/
The guy talking about ammonia in the breath probably actually smelled acetone which is present in ketosis.
Ammonia breath is real, my brother has it, and its different from acetone breath, it somewhat smells like pee. What I also saw is that I do a lot better on a carnivore diet and fasting, carbs just makes me sluggish. Its opposite for my brother. He does well on moderate animal protein and too much animal protein make him have ammonia breath real bad. Also he consistently feels sluggish during longer fasts. I think we should acknowledge different people having different polymorphisms and the diets suitable for it.
Wish I was there so I can ask what if they have sarcopenia or cachexia.. at least hes wondering
whats the news about protein FGFBP3 (BP3 for short)...helps burn fat and helps with insulin...
If you want it, you should get it from liver with it's associated constituents to prevent any issues.
I found it disconcerting when Chris was laughing when talking about the 17 yo lad dying.
Eating any extreme WOE is playing Russian Roulette...pure and simple.
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Shawn Baker
He says he eats about 300 grams of protein and 3,000 calories a day, that's 1,200 calories from protein, or less than 50% from protein. So where are the other calories coming from? Obviously a mix of carbs and fat but he should lay it all out.
He even said he eats 4,000 calories at the end, so the math is vague and he should just lay out his macros.
Keith Barbaro+ Most sources of protein have fat.
I know. That is why "high protein" is not as "high" as people think when you examine it as a percentage of total cals.
Some sources like egg whites and whey are marketed because they don't have any fat. Pure protein. I'm actually doing high fat now. 50% fat or more. Even throwing out the egg whites.
Probably BS, people are usually deluded about what they are eating.
@@keithbarbaro7590 who ever is dumb enough to think high protein means most calories from protein is not worth interacting with. js
@@mennehgambia1962 Unlike you I did the math involved in his statement. He said 300 grams or protein and does not mention his other macros. People should be transparent.
But how do you get that amount? 10 drinks whey? 2 kilo meat? i have struggle to eat even 250 gram....TIPS people ( i cant eat whey, soy, weat, or pea...haha i know it sucks and i am FAT! ) HELP Humans of Hyper age
There is NO such real thing as "glucose deprivation" ! We DO NOT NEED glucose in any measurable amount from our diet. It is an 'on-demand' need. What teeny tiny amts we might need can be supplied by protein or fats.
OH PLEASXE, UNLESS YOU WANT to waste protein and/or muscle, you better include carbohydrates.
@@Qwerty_789 Horseshit
Eric Y. Your comment is completely stupid & wrong. Even in a Carbohydrate fed state the body converts Triglycerides and/or free fatty acids into glucose through gluconeogenesis. Fat is the primary source of glucose converted via gluconeogenesis amino acids are secondary. And it’s demand driven. Carb-based dieters who are restricting calories or eating under 200g of carbs per day will stimulate a degree of gluconeogenesis from vigorous exercise
@@WolfgangLizana nevertheless try to make daily sport activity with zero carbs and feel the eifference. Those 200gr cho literally made me doble the volume of training, lowered the stress, replenished the energy for high intensity. Cho are not essential, but life without is miserable for many. Maybe it is ok for sedentary people or a part of population genetically adapt to such regimen. But before considering a whole macro useless maybe we shouod consider the abuse of high energy refined foods in general.
Marco Guy, I competed in muay thai after 10 months into keto. I even have a video on my channel where you can tell my stamina and speed is clearly not inhibited by eating no carbs. I’ve been sparring, doing interval conditioning & heavy weight training all of 2019 on less than 20grams per day of netcarbs.
If you had issues with performinf well on keto, maybe you weren’t eating enough protein. Maybe nt enough calories. Maybe not enough sodium. Maybe not enough fat. These are all common problems people have that can be solved with simple changes
How about arginine supplements?
Won't prevent ammonia toxicity but arginine supplements do improve heart function, particularly when combined with taurine.
However, both come from meat so as long as you are getting enough protein from animal sources you will be fine.
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When kidney dies out, than reality will settles in. Just wait.
Don't make me laugh. watch?v=559rV3L1ixM
Why are so many people able to be on high-protein diets (LCHF, keto, carnivore, etc) for years and decades without any kidney damage? According to you, when does the kidney finally die out in order for reality to set in? Sure, eventually the kidney dies when the whole body dies, as no one yet has attained mortality. Beyond that, it doesn't appear to be an issue.
Excess protein stresses the kidneys and liver
So does running and exercise in all forms. In fact simply breathing stresses the lungs too. On the other hand many compounds in plants DAMAGE kidneys not just stress them.
and exercises STRESSES your muscles, but guess what????? YOUR MUSCLES ADAPT.
Achaeos Salisbury Funny, right near the start he mentions how horrible ammonia if for the body..but animal proteins produce a massive amount of ammonia in the kidneys. ( there are a huge amount of studies to back this out..google it; )
The kidneys are made of protein.
Do you really think that protein gets destroyed by protein? Does eating protein ruin your muscles? No. Obviously not. You NEED protein to make your kidneys work.
@@inphiknitfractal Animal proteins produce less ammonia than plant proteins.
This is undisputable fact as there are more proteins that need broken down in plants. Things like taurine, glutathione, and carnitine - which are proteins high only in meats - do not need broken down and so avoid ammonia production.