Looking back only 200 years ago at the populations of ruminants; such as, bison in the western US and the buffalo, gazelles, wildebeests, impala, taurotragus, antelopes, argali, giraffes which in comparison to this day and age numbered far greater than the amount of beef cattle we have today, we can not seriously believe that cows are to blame for the rise in pollution on this planet.
200 years ago, there were also not shitting all on on big pile, because they were roaming the lands and i am pretty sure, there was less traffic on the planet and i guess also a few less people polluting the planet for profit gains.
You are assuming that cow farts and burps are the problem, actually its is mainly the industrial processes used to rear, then the fuel etc used for the distribution after slaughter.Huge awathes of rain forest have been cut down to grow Soya and also to rear cattle on - double whammy in that you remove the trees that capture carbon and introduce more farters - the soy is used to feed intensively reared cattle, these feedyards are often massive, use huge quantities of feedstock, all of which is delivered using fossil fuels, the cattle are then off to massive slaughter houses, again moved by truck, after they are chipped up, moved in refrigerated trucks. more fuel, etc, etc. If an Impala or Bison was killed in the old days, before these industrial scale mass killings, they were eaten nearby, there was no refrigeration, none of it was wasted ( estimates vary but at least 5-10% is food in the western world is wasted and is thrown away) so very different processes back then to what we do now. As we now feed all sorts of weird stuff to cattle now, not just grass like they evolved with we cant tell whether they fart more or less than a historical Giraffe, so even if we ignore all the industrial impact stuff, we cant tell whether your reasoning is right or not!! Interesting though, I hadn't thought about it as a Biomass calculation, nice one!
@Cheeseatingjunglista - You are IGNORANT. Feed lots are only used for a short time just prior to slaughter, to "finish" the beef. The rest of the lives of cattle are spent on GRASS PASTURE. Too expensive to feed grain for a year!
I've been made aware of significant errors in slide 47: The equivalency values I gave for 4.5 Tg of carbon SHOULD have been millions (not billions) of cars, millions (not billions) of barrels of oil, and 4.1 (not 4,000+) coal-fired power plants. I've posted an edited version containing percentage values these corrected equivalency values represent. I apologize for the error.
Updated figures still refute the "cows are killing earth" story. This projected impact is modeled on less than 1% of Southeastern US acres (and the Southeast is 11% of total US acres). I've posted an updated version of this slide.
Generally speaking if the mainstream media and politicians are pushing an agenda its usually wrong if not lethal for us. I love grass fed beef and full fat cows mik. Thanks for sharing ur knowledge.
@@Don_Pedro-SodFather , I have known for 8 years that the entire carbon tax, human-caused global warming thing is a giant scam. When the Wikileaks IPCC emails came out I scoured everything. They totally faked the "science" and they did so on purpose in an attempt to get the world to pay carbon taxes to fund the NWO. They just want a bunch of unelected central bank owners to control everything.
Then water cycle may be more important than the carbon cycle - but grasses pump more carbon int the soil than trees do. The key is that the grasses MUST be pruned by grazing and/or tramples to the ground (so soil microbes can digest them) BEFORE they become over-mature and oxidize. That is what is happening when you see brown, dry grasses. Remember - the soil life, the plants, and the animals all evolved together and need each other.
Grasses 'farm' the soil biology - creating and putting into the soil the particular sugars *carbon) that will preferentially feed the soil life that they need at certain points in their life cycle, or to help them to cope with certain stressors, like drought. Humans tend to think in terms of 'either/or'... 'do eat dog'... 'this against that'. In the natural world, everything is interacting in multiple directions at once. Yes, there is competition, yet when we look more closely, symbiosois and co-operation are far more common.
Smart lady. Oats n veggies gave me Inflammatory Bowel Disorder. Now I've limited my carbs eat very few veggies and started eating eggs n bacon every day. Now 1 yr since my diagnosis my chronic inflammation is gone now im just combating my ulcer colitis from my body eating itself on a glucose diet
I eat only meat and spend about $150-$200 a month on just my food a month. I can do a small custom box of meat from butcher box. Grass feed grass finished beef.
@@Iliek I see you have zero knowledge of presentations. A joke every now and then is necessary for people with poor attention spans. It also brings distracted people back to the presentation.
I was 100lbs overweight 2 years ago, I stopped eating sugar and carbohydrates and just eat meat/butter/eggs I have not only lost 115lbs but I haven't been aick since.
I’d like to accept your recruitment into the Ruminati - eaters of the ruminant revolution unit on a side note, ruminants sound an awful lot like the Biblical diet (cleft hoof, chews the cud) “you can tell when idols are being worshiped because human beings are sacrificed” - that was powerful
Salty Bear something that came to me was when Adam and Eve sinned they covered themselves with leaves and God killed the first animal to cover them. Also Adam was told to work the ground as his curse. When he was created his job was to take care of the animals. I hope you to see the connections.
Hence why there's a strong movement to go back to local grassfed/pasture-raised, which puts more money, and thus power back into the hands of family farms who desperately need it, and also helps the local environment.
Great comment. I was at a barbecue with very well to do educated people talking about lab meat being a good idea. I was perplexed at the absolute foolishness of this. We are brainwashed to love chemicals and fake food.
Jay Smith wow, never thought of it that way. The more plant based people become the higher Monsanto’s profits. That’s why the big plant based push by the powers that be.
Check out Gabe Brown's lectures from Brown's Ranch in North Dakota (brownsranch.us/) you will see that TILLAGE is one of the reasons why farmland can't hold water and contributes to drought-like conditions.
Was just talking to a vegan about this. CO2 that a cow emits was recently extracted from the air, so it's a net zero. The methane produced will be produced by decaying plant matter whether in a cow or not. Still waiting for a reply form them after saying that. lol
The Earth doesn't care whether you agree or disagree with physics. Attempting to ignore the laws of physics has consequences which will ultimately kill you. CO2 acts like a greenhouse & makes the Earth warmer. It's a FACT that you can't change. The only "scientists" who "disagree" are being paid to by fossil fuel corporations. None of this has anything whatever to do with ground water, tillage, or soil depletion. The underground aquifer under the plains is being used up to raise crops. When it runs out, the land will become a dust bowl until/unless wild grasses grow back. The plains are obviously a grassland, only suitable for raising bison or other herbivores in the long term
@@robinlillian9471, I don't know where you get your information, but it's not completely correct. Even your claim "The only "scientists" who "disagree" are being paid to by fossil fuel corporations." is rather suspect since while Arrhenius believed CO2 was a greenhouse gas that could affect earth's temperature, Angstrom disagreed because his experiments indicated CO2 was not a major driver of temperature. I suspect you have no proof that Angstrom was paid by oil companies or "fossil fuel corporations". Your claim could be turned around because it is far more likely that those scientists who claim CO2 is responsible for the "greenhouse effect" are either being paid by "green energy" or are in fear of losing their income for not affirming the orthodoxy. Whether you look at CO2 vs. temperature over the last 600 million years, or just the last century, it should be clear to you that CO2 is not the control knob it was reported to be by main stream media. It will not cause catastrophic warming or any of the other things media report "Scientists say …". If you did a little bit of research, you might discover that even those who believe CO2 causes a "greenhouse effect" believe that for every doubling of CO2 there is only a unit increase in the effect, which means that by 400 ppm the effect of adding more CO2 is quite negligible. And you might discover examination of data from weather balloons shows there is no "greenhouse effect". If you did even more research, you might also discover that as CO2 increases plants grow faster while at the same time using less water. Most commercial greenhouse operations pump CO2 into their buildings to increase yield and decrease water consumption. In the larger world, NASA photos show increased plant growth around the arid regions which is due to CO2 increasing from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. If we could achieve 1600 ppm, we could improve crop yield and reduce the reliance on ground water.
When he says 'grass', he is speaking of polyculture perennial pastures. Biodiversity is the key to resilience in pastures, and to optimal ruminant health.
Unfortunately it appears that "public" policy is created by persons with a "private" interest (i.e., policy is driven by money not science or common sense).
@@defeqel6537 I agree. Unfortunately, even results from the most poorly designed "scientific study" will be proclaimed as truth by those who don't scrutinize how the researchers devised them.
Really great talk, I'd like to get on board with a big grass fed movement. Take a few hundred of these millions of acres of corn and make it all pasture. Let cows roam.
Im a gardener, not a farmer, but our worlds are the same but with the pressures of cash flow, business rates and cheap imports pressing hard on them, I have an easy life. But one thing we share: there is, in the world, an enormous quantity of animal waste...from humans to ruminants to fowl AND vegetable waste in many places....cut grass to leaf fall. This is mother natures plan: plants and animals feed on the waste of others.An oak tree is nourished by its own leaf fall and minerals in the rain. I garden with horse manure and vegetable compost and make liquid feed from it too. This is a closed system...nearly so. The problem is that both animals and plants are being poisoned by humans in search of larger, quicker short term financial gain. Cows full of weight gain antibiotics, growth hormone etc, plants with systemic herbicides such as glyphosate and both rained on by industrial rain. It cant go on; humans are contriving in their own destruction. It can take years to get poor soil into good heart but only a season to waste it all away. Google "Ben Falk" and see where agriculture can grow.
Ruminants process inedible arable land into digestable nutrient dense food that we can eat.They are a living factory in themselves-aswell as being beautiful living beasts and excellent land managers,if utilzed properly.Also provide amazing fertiliser and many other highly useful products.Edited due to spelling errors inserted by TH-cam not me!my grammer is excellent!Take away my Aberdeen Angus and there will be trouble:)
But the large amount of animals eat Monsanto/Bayer corn and soybeans. So land is being poisoned to feed the vast majority of animals, which could have been used to produce much more for humans.
That was fab thank you! So proud of the fact my mum and dad are sheep and cow farmers and I’m carnivore, ex medical profession and about to get vocal about that and health on social media…..
I always thought that if we could eat grass there would be no hunger and everyone would be independant. We can't eat grass but cows can and we can eat cows so indirectly we can eat grass. In the Hoosier uplands where I live grass can grow plentiful where it is not conducive to grow row crops, perfect for growing ruminants. It is better to bring the cows to plentiful food that they can forage than to truck corn to them in crowded feedlots.
@~38:00 - HUGE, important point! The title of this video should be "Grass Into Food." Why has NOBODY ELSE said this? This guy is a GENIUS! There are VAST grasslands NOT suited to growing vegetables, but PERFECT for grazers. Tell all your vegaNazi friends!
What we (the carnivores, supporters of ruminant ag and reasonable people of the world) need is a movie like Game Changers, that breaks all this down in a catchy, easy to digest pop-culture form to influence the zeitgeist in the right way. That's gonna take a concerted PR campaign, and lots of money to combat the for profit investments of producers of movies like GC into pea protein factories and industrial scale monocropping sectors. These hucksters have BILLIONS at play right now in the vegan marketing machine. James Cameron's financial advisor said, "Veganism is like the internet in 1994." That means they expect it to expand and become even more profitable, which to me signals a VERY DANGEROUS time ahead, when more rich vegans will be trying their hardest to influence government to tax or even outright ban meat and livestock ag, under the guise of "sustainability" and with appeals to emotion like we've never seen.
The movie is coming next summer 2020. This lady is brilliant -- www.indiegogo.com/projects/sacred-cow-the-case-for-better-meat?fbclid=IwAR3yiIFs32Mqr6DUSi4a6wZs57IVfHylKYg-m5uM3u_YUMLc9GoW_gu9UsM#/
Right. Veganism is the official diet of the New World Order. The proverbial "Powers That Be" want us all eating plant based with no alternative whatsoever. They know it will keep us physically and mentally weak and thus easy to control.
@@ZekeMan62 one of the primary goals is to remove people from their land by making small farming financially deleterious so corporations can buy it cheaply. This will serve to control the food production apparatus, keeping it in favorable corporate hands, and also will destroy self-sufficiency. They want a docile, weak population reliant on their tightly controlled and adulterated "food" supply. Happiness in Slavery.
Interesting. I don’t agree with everything this guy says, but he’s mostly right. He brings some interesting points and different (and often neglected) data to the table.
Allan Savory who created the Savory Institute proved that we NEED herd animals to rebuild the desertification of of our former grasslands and in turn feed the planet.
Many people are raising and 'finishing' cattle on 100% 'grassfed' diets. Look for these farmers in your area. If you can't find any, White Oak Pastures in GA sells online. Greener Pastures in MO. Joel Salatin of Polyface Farm in VA sells via a metro buying club to the N VA and DC areas.... just to name a few of the larger operatiolns. Look for a family-scale farm, owned and run by real people (not fake corporate 'people'). Run by people who have a passion for what they are doing! These farms and many others, Farside Farm in NH... do not use any kind of synthetic chemical or added hormones in raising their meat. And...The Omega 3 levels in the milk of our favorite all-grass Jersey dairy farm would startle Ballerestedt!
The plant based crowd should keep in mind that most of the veg and fruits which are available today from agriculture are the result of selective breeding. Nature didn't invent them by itself. Most archaic wild forms are barely edible and too time consuming to find for too little yield. Makes me wonder how natural a vegan diet in the 21st century really is. The domesticated farm animals are not that different from their wild cousins. I eat very little red meat, first off because it's too expensive in my neck of the woods and then I don't actually enjoy the taste but the video makes biochemical sense. There's no such thing as essential carbohydrates for humans, only essential amino and fatty acids. The little glucose you need for the cells without mitochondria can be made by the liver through gluconeogenesis. The rest can also run on ketones metabolised from dietary fat or your own body fat.
The chart @ 18:00 is misleading in regards to Walnuts, they used the uncommon "Black Walnuts" which have a n6-n3 ratio of 16.5:1 whereas English Walnuts, the common type, have a ratio of 4.2:1 which is "ideal". Also no mention of Hemp seed (2.7:1), Canola Oil (2.1:1), Flax seed (1:3.9), or Chia (1:3). If you want to make nuts look bad maybe put Almonds on the list with a ratio of 4108:1 or maybe Sunflower Seeds (384:1)....
The thing about health is not everything works for everybody. We all have allergies and sensitivities problems with absorption. It’s all about taking care of your gut health first. And whatever way this occurs is different for everybody. People need to pay attention to their bodies and know what is going on. I have severe asthma I’ve had it my entire life and I know what triggers my asthma and then I need to adjust accordingly. Of course there’s environmental that will also trigger me and I cannot avoid that. I understand vegetarian I tried it twice and I loved it. The problem is as we learn about different things for instance oxalates that are in vegetables we need to understand what it’s doing to our bodies. How do you feel? Sometimes you feel fine until you don’t. There have been people who were very very sick with so many elements that have gone carnivore and completely cleaned up there system to the point that they are no longer reactive. I think some people are just too stubborn and refused to look at their diet and determine what is the problem
How do the incredibly high doses of human produced antibiotics effect the microbial efficiency in ruminants? Does this degrade the quality of human food output generated by ruminants? Why are they used? Why do cows gain more weight on antibiotics at feed lots (at least that’s what I have been led to believe). And this completely ignores the increase in antibiotic resistant microbes that effect human health due to this practice. I think these are are important questions that should be covered in your presentation. Please point me in the direction of information to answer these questions. Thanks. Sorry. I’m a year late, it appears.
Definitely "food for thought." Pun intended. I'm on a keto diet with intermintent fasting, which for the most part is truly helping my health. My fatty liver is gone, I've lost weight, no more migraines, etc. However, I have severe allergies to many foods. Identifying and avoiding them is complicated. Plus, I'm now having issues with being allergic to foods I used to be able to eat. The list of foods is increasing at an alarmingly fast rate. If this continues, soon there will be virtually nothing I'll be able to eat. I'm currently suspecting insecticides as being the problem, since I eat many low- to no-carb veggies along with meat to stay in ketosis. His point about natural insecticides may gave great merit.
So what you mean is that vegans should also educate ruminants on the morality of exploiting the bacteria to produce food for them and fight to free the bacteria in the cow's rumen from exploitation and death, right ? I can't wait to see youtube vids of vegans debating with cows and sheep !
@@MegaElderscroll I live in Nebraska/cattle country and know that farmers here give antibiotics to cattle for growth not illness. you are right that more is given to pigs & chickens
Why don’t we raise horses for consumption? At least in Australia, Canada, USA, and Europe. The Norse had two sacred traditions they held dear and would not give up to Christian oppressors-something with babies that I don’t want to get into, and to keep eating horse meat. Why is it banned and in some places illegal to sell horse meat?
This all sounds very convincing however most cows nowadays are fed corn, grains and soy beans to pump up their weight and/or milk output. This does not agree with their bowels and microbiome so it requires anti acid additives and antibiotics and the resulting beef and dairy are a lot less nutritious and not so harmless. They are in some countries also fed growth hormones. This story just tells the story of the romantic herd grazing the endless prairies, hardly representing today’s practices of industrial farming.
You are correct. The WAY in which industrial farms are raising cattle for commercial sale is INCORRECT. Herbivore ruminants should be fed GRASS. Producers should study "mob grazing" as a way to renovate their pastures and raise their cows.
We must love it how we think as humans we know so much & factually... Historically far past any current known recordings, our earth has always had enough resources to support the continued growth of our species. Saying that anything is unsustainable is often times manufactured market shortage to increase capital gains & throttle economies. That being said, many of the current agricultural practices will not be sustainable for long. Whether we feel that all sentient life forms have just as much right to live as humans or that we feel meat producers of the world can no longer be trusted is besides the point. For this conversation to even continue with animals as the main course, farming practices must change. Most likely this first means, only using land which is & has been historically arable. No more destruction of forests or changing the use of land to fit ones often overgrown interests. Yes this means many will not farm, however many more will. Can we farm without animals, depends on how we use animals. We can run machinery in place of, we can have animals as pets, friends & helpers that exchange fertilizers for food & attention Yes. Using them mainly for our food needs, also yes. Animals also naturally caretake of the earth when in harmony. Though slaughtering them for our food is not needed. And we know not the yes or no to answer to that last thought. We have not as a global society ever run a large or long enough study, which may never happen. 11 minutes - just saying no to what someone else says does not count as a winning argument. Do we even know what’s good for the planet? Well we can only first look upon ourselves in relation to how we have worked with the earth and how those affects now show results relating to our populations health. What was good for the planet was probably pretty close before the technological advancements starting with coal in the 17th century. After which time we have been blatantly been gutting our planets resources with little concern of surrounding ecosystems or lasting effects. We can see this by more animals being honored with the title of technical extinction or nearing it. On feedstuffs That arable land that is used to produce feedstuffs for cattle to produce meat for humans to eat could be used to raise much more vibrant crops of different types of plants to feed humanity. Thereby using a very large amount of currently farmed land to now strictly feed humans, instead of feeding animals that ends up helping to feed humans. Also, wheat seems a very weak corner stone of the argument here. If we had historically spent far more on developing plant farming technology and the use of a greater variety of that Kingdom for human consumption, the conversation would be completely different. Protein We actually know very little about the needed daily protein intake of humans. Most of the worlds health & diet guideline suggestions are very wrong. This is different for each individual human being. More so most known nutritional science has been skewed and specifically directed relating to industries desires. If science does not needily share plant pesticides compared at all to animal pesticides that they actually create to the public, then why is it even being brought up as an argument? One last thought Peter Ballerstedt, have you ever tried an all vegetable diet for 90 days or more?
Lynn Roberts the liver needs carbs to function specially when it comes to hormonal conversion. Thyroid t4 to t3 (active form) fat and protein can't provide that. Honey, sugar and seasonal fruit the best source of carbs.
Does he not realize that all plants have a profile of both fatty and amino acids? So yes, ruminants do have them in their diet, they just also use their hind or fore-gut fermentation process to convert more of the sugars into fatty acids.
I agree with this guy, but given the diversity of opinions on diet, I think any reasonable person finds himself asking, after hearing people make directly oppositional cases, 'how do I know which one is true? They both sound convincing.' Well, empiricism. The only way to get an empirical answer about which is healthier is to have groups of people eat different diets, and observe which ones live longer, and get sick less. All the diet expertise is attempts to _predict_ which ones _will_ live longer, based on reasoning. And that's fine and good. But evidently, diet and digestion are sufficiently complex that whichever factors/dynamics we focus on might mislead us, and we simply can't take them all into account at once. But reality itself does exactly that. It takes all contributing factors into account. So, you don't need to isolate and master your understanding of all the factors, what they are, and what they do, if you can just do the experiment and observe the end result. After ~30 years now of vegetarianism/veganism, practitioners of those diets don't seem to be any healthier or live any longer than the human average. We can theorize more, adjust our models, make more predictions to say, 'well, we hadn't mastered veggie diets initially, so the benefits were off-set by some malpractice; the new, more scientific veggie diets will result in longer/healthier lives.' We can _say_ that. But those results aren't in yet. We'll have to wait and see. In another 20 years, _if_ those predictions do _not_ prove positive, yet again, no doubt, they'll adjust their models once again and make the same prediction for another 20 years. That's how religions work. But that's also how science works. And maybe they _will_ prove correct. However, in the mean time, we do have empirical data showing that populations that eat meat thrive more. We have to be careful about that, because, for example, they might be eating more meat because they thrive more, rather than thriving more because they eat more meat. And it may not be even reciprocal. But for the time being, the empirical data, the net-result data, is on the side of eating meat. People starve less. They even have higher average IQs. Again, whether cause or effect, we don't know, so it doesn't prove anything. But... the empirical data, such as it is, falls on that side. The _predictions_ of the dietitians profession, fall mostly on the other side. I don't trust their predictions, their expertise; I don't view them as authoritative. They have _no proven track record of success._ So, whence their authority?? But that's just me.
Looking back only 200 years ago at the populations of ruminants; such as, bison in the western US and the buffalo, gazelles, wildebeests, impala, taurotragus, antelopes, argali, giraffes which in comparison to this day and age numbered far greater than the amount of beef cattle we have today, we can not seriously believe that cows are to blame for the rise in pollution on this planet.
Exactly
200 years ago, there were also not shitting all on on big pile, because they were roaming the lands and i am pretty sure, there was less traffic on the planet and i guess also a few less people polluting the planet for profit gains.
You are assuming that cow farts and burps are the problem, actually its is mainly the industrial processes used to rear, then the fuel etc used for the distribution after slaughter.Huge awathes of rain forest have been cut down to grow Soya and also to rear cattle on - double whammy in that you remove the trees that capture carbon and introduce more farters - the soy is used to feed intensively reared cattle, these feedyards are often massive, use huge quantities of feedstock, all of which is delivered using fossil fuels, the cattle are then off to massive slaughter houses, again moved by truck, after they are chipped up, moved in refrigerated trucks. more fuel, etc, etc. If an Impala or Bison was killed in the old days, before these industrial scale mass killings, they were eaten nearby, there was no refrigeration, none of it was wasted ( estimates vary but at least 5-10% is food in the western world is wasted and is thrown away) so very different processes back then to what we do now. As we now feed all sorts of weird stuff to cattle now, not just grass like they evolved with we cant tell whether they fart more or less than a historical Giraffe, so even if we ignore all the industrial impact stuff, we cant tell whether your reasoning is right or not!! Interesting though, I hadn't thought about it as a Biomass calculation, nice one!
@Cheeseatingjunglista - You are IGNORANT. Feed lots are only used for a short time just prior to slaughter, to "finish" the beef. The rest of the lives of cattle are spent on GRASS PASTURE. Too expensive to feed grain for a year!
Good luck trying to convince these folks 🤷🏼♂️
Yeah. We’ve all been lied to for 40+ years.
I've been made aware of significant errors in slide 47: The equivalency values I gave for 4.5 Tg of carbon SHOULD have been millions (not billions) of cars, millions (not billions) of barrels of oil, and 4.1 (not 4,000+) coal-fired power plants. I've posted an edited version containing percentage values these corrected equivalency values represent. I apologize for the error.
Updated figures still refute the "cows are killing earth" story. This projected impact is modeled on less than 1% of Southeastern US acres (and the Southeast is 11% of total US acres). I've posted an updated version of this slide.
Peter Ballerstedt what are your thoughts on faux-meat? (Petri-dish fat and muscle tissue grown in bioreactors)
Generally speaking if the mainstream media and politicians are pushing an agenda its usually wrong if not lethal for us. I love grass fed beef and full fat cows mik. Thanks for sharing ur knowledge.
@Glen M yeh agree, also been researching cancer for years. there's a spiritual element to all of this going on. Take care man
@@Don_Pedro-SodFather , I have known for 8 years that the entire carbon tax, human-caused global warming thing is a giant scam. When the Wikileaks IPCC emails came out I scoured everything. They totally faked the "science" and they did so on purpose in an attempt to get the world to pay carbon taxes to fund the NWO. They just want a bunch of unelected central bank owners to control everything.
Brilliant! This is one of the best lectures that I have ever listened to regarding the inconvenient truth of the organic and vegetarian movements.
What inconvenient truth about the "organic" movement?
@@Lavasalsa1 there's nothing organic about the pesticide ridden plants we eat
@@radicalgreek99 yeah no kidding! We agree on that.
@@Lavasalsa1 Dr w
Then water cycle may be more important than the carbon cycle - but grasses pump more carbon int the soil than trees do. The key is that the grasses MUST be pruned by grazing and/or tramples to the ground (so soil microbes can digest them) BEFORE they become over-mature and oxidize. That is what is happening when you see brown, dry grasses. Remember - the soil life, the plants, and the animals all evolved together and need each other.
Grasses 'farm' the soil biology - creating and putting into the soil the particular sugars *carbon) that will preferentially feed the soil life that they need at certain points in their life cycle, or to help them to cope with certain stressors, like drought. Humans tend to think in terms of 'either/or'... 'do eat dog'... 'this against that'. In the natural world, everything is interacting in multiple directions at once. Yes, there is competition, yet when we look more closely, symbiosois and co-operation are far more common.
@@Jefferdaughter Christ, you have access to some very STRONG DRUGS I suspect, in order to make you this crazy
@@Cheeseatingjunglista Hahahahahahahahahaha yer and idiot
@@Cheeseatingjunglista You must've been sniffing some very strong glue to be this dumb
I am zero carb and so eat beef and other meat exclusively....this is awesome news I enjoyed learning!
Darlene Shinde come much beef or other meats do you eat per day? I’m considering trying zero carb.
Smart lady. Oats n veggies gave me Inflammatory Bowel Disorder. Now I've limited my carbs eat very few veggies and started eating eggs n bacon every day. Now 1 yr since my diagnosis my chronic inflammation is gone now im just combating my ulcer colitis from my body eating itself on a glucose diet
I eat only meat and spend about $150-$200 a month on just my food a month. I can do a small custom box of meat from butcher box. Grass feed grass finished beef.
@@kapulu6259 unless you raised and fed it yourself you never know for sure where your meat comes from.
Savideth this is true but you have the same issue with anything.
Was so disappointed when no one laughed at his joke "the ruminatie". That was so good haha! Had me chuckling.
UniQ...me too, it was hilarious!
It was a funny as Rectal Cancer
Trying to insert jokes into this presentation is just weird. People didn't come to be entertained.
People did laugh you just have to listen close
@@Iliek I see you have zero knowledge of presentations. A joke every now and then is necessary for people with poor attention spans. It also brings distracted people back to the presentation.
I was 100lbs overweight 2 years ago, I stopped eating sugar and carbohydrates and just eat meat/butter/eggs I have not only lost 115lbs but I haven't been aick since.
I’d like to accept your recruitment into the Ruminati - eaters of the ruminant revolution unit
on a side note, ruminants sound an awful lot like the Biblical diet (cleft hoof, chews the cud)
“you can tell when idols are being worshiped because human beings are sacrificed” - that was powerful
Salty Bear something that came to me was when Adam and Eve sinned they covered themselves with leaves and God killed the first animal to cover them. Also Adam was told to work the ground as his curse. When he was created his job was to take care of the animals. I hope you to see the connections.
@@suel8617 good observation sue 👍
monsanto would be so happy if all our protein came from plants. they would own almost all the food.
The food that's being fed to the animals that are eaten...who do you think owns that?
Hence why there's a strong movement to go back to local grassfed/pasture-raised, which puts more money, and thus power back into the hands of family farms who desperately need it, and also helps the local environment.
You obviously missed the whole point of this lecture.
Great comment. I was at a barbecue with very well to do educated people talking about lab meat being a good idea. I was perplexed at the absolute foolishness of this. We are brainwashed to love chemicals and fake food.
Jay Smith wow, never thought of it that way. The more plant based people become the higher Monsanto’s profits. That’s why the big plant based push by the powers that be.
Very impressive talk....Peter Ballerstedt is a true Hero for the planet....spread the word..
Ruminati go global
Naive with breath like dog shit, oh dear, you have been suckered by this madman, haven't you?
CO2 doesn't affect temperature in any meaningful way, however the US high plains region is running out of ground water due to irrigating farm land.
Check out Gabe Brown's lectures from Brown's Ranch in North Dakota (brownsranch.us/) you will see that TILLAGE is one of the reasons why farmland can't hold water and contributes to drought-like conditions.
Was just talking to a vegan about this. CO2 that a cow emits was recently extracted from the air, so it's a net zero.
The methane produced will be produced by decaying plant matter whether in a cow or not.
Still waiting for a reply form them after saying that. lol
but I also agree, CO2 isn't the biggest driving factor of global average temp.
The Earth doesn't care whether you agree or disagree with physics. Attempting to ignore the laws of physics has consequences which will ultimately kill you. CO2 acts like a greenhouse & makes the Earth warmer. It's a FACT that you can't change. The only "scientists" who "disagree" are being paid to by fossil fuel corporations. None of this has anything whatever to do with ground water, tillage, or soil depletion. The underground aquifer under the plains is being used up to raise crops. When it runs out, the land will become a dust bowl until/unless wild grasses grow back. The plains are obviously a grassland, only suitable for raising bison or other herbivores in the long term
@@robinlillian9471, I don't know where you get your information, but it's not completely correct. Even your claim "The only "scientists" who "disagree" are being paid to by fossil fuel corporations." is rather suspect since while Arrhenius believed CO2 was a greenhouse gas that could affect earth's temperature, Angstrom disagreed because his experiments indicated CO2 was not a major driver of temperature. I suspect you have no proof that Angstrom was paid by oil companies or "fossil fuel corporations". Your claim could be turned around because it is far more likely that those scientists who claim CO2 is responsible for the "greenhouse effect" are either being paid by "green energy" or are in fear of losing their income for not affirming the orthodoxy. Whether you look at CO2 vs. temperature over the last 600 million years, or just the last century, it should be clear to you that CO2 is not the control knob it was reported to be by main stream media. It will not cause catastrophic warming or any of the other things media report "Scientists say …".
If you did a little bit of research, you might discover that even those who believe CO2 causes a "greenhouse effect" believe that for every doubling of CO2 there is only a unit increase in the effect, which means that by 400 ppm the effect of adding more CO2 is quite negligible. And you might discover examination of data from weather balloons shows there is no "greenhouse effect".
If you did even more research, you might also discover that as CO2 increases plants grow faster while at the same time using less water. Most commercial greenhouse operations pump CO2 into their buildings to increase yield and decrease water consumption. In the larger world, NASA photos show increased plant growth around the arid regions which is due to CO2 increasing from 300 ppm to 400 ppm. If we could achieve 1600 ppm, we could improve crop yield and reduce the reliance on ground water.
Wow. What a fantastic speech! Thank you! Everyone should listen to this.
Absolutely mindblowing!! WoW! Thank you for this presentation. This needs to be required listening, for Congress!
Amazing!!! YES! This supports what I've been feeling and reading up on --- and here he states it simply and uncategorically. Awesome!
When he says 'grass', he is speaking of polyculture perennial pastures. Biodiversity is the key to resilience in pastures, and to optimal ruminant health.
Don't buy grassfed. Buy polyculture perennial pasture raised.
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 sure, and if you can get milk or meat from a farm which practices intensive rotational grazing that is even better.
The Rumenati! LOL!!! A longtime member here (after all, cats are obligate carnivores >^.^
Those that still believe that fat and cholesterol cause heart disease are going to give this a thumbs down. Why was this not addressed?
Public policy should be founded upon (good,empirical), science not ideology.
Ah, if only. The People have to lead the leaders...
Unfortunately it appears that "public" policy is created by persons with a "private" interest (i.e., policy is driven by money not science or common sense).
Empirical? Cant be based on this maniac than, he ignores too much
@@Lavasalsa1 private interests, and idiots (for the lack of a better word) who don't know "science" is not all equal
@@defeqel6537 I agree. Unfortunately, even results from the most poorly designed "scientific study" will be proclaimed as truth by those who don't scrutinize how the researchers devised them.
Monsanto is now owned by Bayer (Biggest pharmaceutical co)
Great business model. Sicken them with your poor foods then bankrupt thrm with your nasty drugs. Cradle to grave profits.
A pair so evil they were made for each other, M'sant brought you Agent Orange, B'yer invented Heroin. My, they must really hate people and the planet
Dr. Ballerstedt, Please write a book! We need you. We need the sources that you use for your information. Thank you.
Really great talk, I'd like to get on board with a big grass fed movement. Take a few hundred of these millions of acres of corn and make it all pasture. Let cows roam.
Im a gardener, not a farmer, but our worlds are the same but with the pressures of cash flow, business rates and cheap imports pressing hard on them, I have an easy life. But one thing we share: there is, in the world, an enormous quantity of animal waste...from humans to ruminants to fowl AND vegetable waste in many places....cut grass to leaf fall. This is mother natures plan: plants and animals feed on the waste of others.An oak tree is nourished by its own leaf fall and minerals in the rain. I garden with horse manure and vegetable compost and make liquid feed from it too. This is a closed system...nearly so.
The problem is that both animals and plants are being poisoned by humans in search of larger, quicker short term financial gain. Cows full of weight gain antibiotics, growth hormone etc, plants with systemic herbicides such as glyphosate and both rained on by industrial rain.
It cant go on; humans are contriving in their own destruction. It can take years to get poor soil into good heart but only a season to waste it all away. Google "Ben Falk" and see where agriculture can grow.
Ruminants process inedible arable land into digestable nutrient dense food that we can eat.They are a living factory in themselves-aswell as being beautiful living beasts and excellent land managers,if utilzed properly.Also provide amazing fertiliser and many other highly useful products.Edited due to spelling errors inserted by TH-cam not me!my grammer is excellent!Take away my Aberdeen Angus and there will be trouble:)
But the large amount of animals eat Monsanto/Bayer corn and soybeans. So land is being poisoned to feed the vast majority of animals, which could have been used to produce much more for humans.
This was really interesting, thanks for the presentation.
"... to realize just what a load of male bovine fecal matter has been the realm of human nutrition ..." 😂 Love it !!!
So glad this was linked on ketoscience.
That was fab thank you! So proud of the fact my mum and dad are sheep and cow farmers and I’m carnivore, ex medical profession and about to get vocal about that and health on social media…..
感謝字幕製作者，感謝頻道和演講者的分享！！
I always thought that if we could eat grass there would be no hunger and everyone would be independant. We can't eat grass but cows can and we can eat cows so indirectly we can eat grass. In the Hoosier uplands where I live grass can grow plentiful where it is not conducive to grow row crops, perfect for growing ruminants. It is better to bring the cows to plentiful food that they can forage than to truck corn to them in crowded feedlots.
Truth! Well done.
Peter everyone likes your talk more than mine, it's not fair
@~38:00 - HUGE, important point! The title of this video should be "Grass Into Food." Why has NOBODY ELSE said this? This guy is a GENIUS! There are VAST grasslands NOT suited to growing vegetables, but PERFECT for grazers. Tell all your vegaNazi friends!
Imagine if all those cornfields were repurposed for grazing livestock! One can dream...
How old is our digestive system? It certainly predates agriculture. We did eat mainly meat and organs....or did we eat starch and fructose?
I'm at 24;20, or so. The establishment and authorities have no problem, whatsoever, ignoring inconvenient facts. That's how we got in this mess.
The world needs more cowboys.😁❤
It seems impossible to convert soyboys into cowboys 😉
What we (the carnivores, supporters of ruminant ag and reasonable people of the world) need is a movie like Game Changers, that breaks all this down in a catchy, easy to digest pop-culture form to influence the zeitgeist in the right way.
That's gonna take a concerted PR campaign, and lots of money to combat the for profit investments of producers of movies like GC into pea protein factories and industrial scale monocropping sectors. These hucksters have BILLIONS at play right now in the vegan marketing machine. James Cameron's financial advisor said, "Veganism is like the internet in 1994." That means they expect it to expand and become even more profitable, which to me signals a VERY DANGEROUS time ahead, when more rich vegans will be trying their hardest to influence government to tax or even outright ban meat and livestock ag, under the guise of "sustainability" and with appeals to emotion like we've never seen.
The movie is coming next summer 2020. This lady is brilliant -- www.indiegogo.com/projects/sacred-cow-the-case-for-better-meat?fbclid=IwAR3yiIFs32Mqr6DUSi4a6wZs57IVfHylKYg-m5uM3u_YUMLc9GoW_gu9UsM#/
Right. Veganism is the official diet of the New World Order. The proverbial "Powers That Be" want us all eating plant based with no alternative whatsoever. They know it will keep us physically and mentally weak and thus easy to control.
@@ZekeMan62 one of the primary goals is to remove people from their land by making small farming financially deleterious so corporations can buy it cheaply. This will serve to control the food production apparatus, keeping it in favorable corporate hands, and also will destroy self-sufficiency. They want a docile, weak population reliant on their tightly controlled and adulterated "food" supply. Happiness in Slavery.
Right, the problem is too many people, not cows.
Interesting. I don’t agree with everything this guy says, but he’s mostly right. He brings some interesting points and different (and often neglected) data to the table.
What don't you agree with?
One of the best talks on this subject. Ever.
Allan Savory who created the Savory Institute proved that we NEED herd animals to rebuild the desertification of of our former grasslands and in turn feed the planet.
Many people are raising and 'finishing' cattle on 100% 'grassfed' diets. Look for these farmers in your area. If you can't find any, White Oak Pastures in GA sells online. Greener Pastures in MO. Joel Salatin of Polyface Farm in VA sells via a metro buying club to the N VA and DC areas.... just to name a few of the larger operatiolns. Look for a family-scale farm, owned and run by real people (not fake corporate 'people'). Run by people who have a passion for what they are doing! These farms and many others, Farside Farm in NH... do not use any kind of synthetic chemical or added hormones in raising their meat.
And...The Omega 3 levels in the milk of our favorite all-grass Jersey dairy farm would startle Ballerestedt!
I Trust this man!!!! 🙏🏻🥩🥩
Hello, is there an option to see the pdf of the slides? I am curious to look at the studies! Thank you!
The plant based crowd should keep in mind that most of the veg and fruits which are available today from agriculture are the result of selective breeding. Nature didn't invent them by itself.
Most archaic wild forms are barely edible and too time consuming to find for too little yield. Makes me wonder how natural a vegan diet in the 21st century really is. The domesticated farm animals are not that different from their wild cousins.
I eat very little red meat, first off because it's too expensive in my neck of the woods and then I don't actually enjoy the taste but the video makes biochemical sense.
There's no such thing as essential carbohydrates for humans, only essential amino and fatty acids.
The little glucose you need for the cells without mitochondria can be made by the liver through gluconeogenesis. The rest can also run on ketones metabolised from dietary fat or your own body fat.
It's not natural at all and thus the problem
❤ love this guy
One of the BEST talks I have heard. Thank you!
Great talk, but the sound keeps cutting out
Excellent video
His last name couldn’t be more appropriate, this guy is a baller. I can only imagine his thoughts on the state of things today.
The chart @ 18:00 is misleading in regards to Walnuts, they used the uncommon "Black Walnuts" which have a n6-n3 ratio of 16.5:1 whereas English Walnuts, the common type, have a ratio of 4.2:1 which is "ideal". Also no mention of Hemp seed (2.7:1), Canola Oil (2.1:1), Flax seed (1:3.9), or Chia (1:3). If you want to make nuts look bad maybe put Almonds on the list with a ratio of 4108:1 or maybe Sunflower Seeds (384:1)....
Look up how they make canola oil.
The thing about health is not everything works for everybody. We all have allergies and sensitivities problems with absorption. It’s all about taking care of your gut health first. And whatever way this occurs is different for everybody. People need to pay attention to their bodies and know what is going on. I have severe asthma I’ve had it my entire life and I know what triggers my asthma and then I need to adjust accordingly. Of course there’s environmental that will also trigger me and I cannot avoid that. I understand vegetarian I tried it twice and I loved it. The problem is as we learn about different things for instance oxalates that are in vegetables we need to understand what it’s doing to our bodies. How do you feel? Sometimes you feel fine until you don’t. There have been people who were very very sick with so many elements that have gone carnivore and completely cleaned up there system to the point that they are no longer reactive. I think some people are just too stubborn and refused to look at their diet and determine what is the problem
Genesis 4:4-5 ..... enough said 💞
How do the incredibly high doses of human produced antibiotics effect the microbial efficiency in ruminants? Does this degrade the quality of human food output generated by ruminants? Why are they used? Why do cows gain more weight on antibiotics at feed lots (at least that’s what I have been led to believe). And this completely ignores the increase in antibiotic resistant microbes that effect human health due to this practice. I think these are are important questions that should be covered in your presentation. Please point me in the direction of information to answer these questions. Thanks. Sorry. I’m a year late, it appears.
Repeatability of Professor Robert W. Wood's 1909 experiment on the Hypothesis of the Greenhouse Effect by Nasif S. Nahle
Kangaroos are eaten in Australia and we should be eating camel meat. We have over a million running wild.
Definitely "food for thought." Pun intended. I'm on a keto diet with intermintent fasting, which for the most part is truly helping my health. My fatty liver is gone, I've lost weight, no more migraines, etc. However, I have severe allergies to many foods. Identifying and avoiding them is complicated. Plus, I'm now having issues with being allergic to foods I used to be able to eat. The list of foods is increasing at an alarmingly fast rate. If this continues, soon there will be virtually nothing I'll be able to eat. I'm currently suspecting insecticides as being the problem, since I eat many low- to no-carb veggies along with meat to stay in ketosis. His point about natural insecticides may gave great merit.
The source for omega-3 fatty acids EPA and DHA is blue green algae
Thank you, great information!
Are there any new (10/ 2018) presentations I can watch? Been through all the old ones...
Yes! There is a whole new AHS18 playlist. Enjoy!
So what you mean is that vegans should also educate ruminants on the morality of exploiting the bacteria to produce food for them and fight to free the bacteria in the cow's rumen from exploitation and death, right ?
I can't wait to see youtube vids of vegans debating with cows and sheep !
well the cows and sheep would be the intelligent part in that debate
So disappointing I can not watch this lecture because of sound issues. The message is right though
Didn't heat a mention of use of antibiotics in animals and is a problem in many ways.
They are mostly used in pigs and chicken, witch are not ruminants.
@@MegaElderscroll I live in Nebraska/cattle country and know that farmers here give antibiotics to cattle for growth not illness. you are right that more is given to pigs & chickens
Awesome presentation.
Clean Meat is good, simple carbs are not. Simple.
Been mad long have we? Maybe the Mad Cow Disease has got you already
@@Cheeseatingjunglista I ate steak, in Italy, in 2000! Definitely could be chronic Mad Cow, haha.
Excellent information 👍🙂, Peter Rock’s!
Shouldn't sodastream be banned since it is CO2 that is used to carbonate water? Welding is using CO2 also... hmmm...
i guess their mistake is looking at the grams of protein disregarding phytonutrients and lectins that inhibit breakdowns of it
Want to listen to this so bad, but the skipping audio is driving me crazy.
You can patent a seed, you can't patent an animal.
Populations in most countries are decreasing. Why do you say that there is such an increase when there is no such thing.
my hero.
Audio on this and another AHS17 video has drop outs.
Wonderful!!
Very informative.
Definitely in line with my logic, nice info
Why don’t we raise horses for consumption? At least in Australia, Canada, USA, and Europe. The Norse had two sacred traditions they held dear and would not give up to Christian oppressors-something with babies that I don’t want to get into, and to keep eating horse meat. Why is it banned and in some places illegal to sell horse meat?
I like this dude
Awesome!
Are you a member of the Ruminati?
Turning the tables!
This all sounds very convincing however most cows nowadays are fed corn, grains and soy beans to pump up their weight and/or milk output. This does not agree with their bowels and microbiome so it requires anti acid additives and antibiotics and the resulting beef and dairy are a lot less nutritious and not so harmless. They are in some countries also fed growth hormones. This story just tells the story of the romantic herd grazing the endless prairies, hardly representing today’s practices of industrial farming.
You are correct. The WAY in which industrial farms are raising cattle for commercial sale is INCORRECT. Herbivore ruminants should be fed GRASS. Producers should study "mob grazing" as a way to renovate their pastures and raise their cows.
Speak the truth 👍
It's surprising that these cows have a vegetarian diet unless you consider faeces as part of their consumption. Is a cow a vegetable?
Great video, saved to faves! Alfafa to the cows in Cali??
They feed them sugar/candy and pretzels on a regular basis!!
B K Cheaper to buy sugar , etc. ANY - WHERE - ANY - T.
B K SO: WHEN MOM SAYS:
“ EAT THIS HAMBURGER - CHICKEN, ETC , IT WILL MAKE U HEALTHY”
SHE MEANS WELL, “ BUT””
REALITY : SPEAKS LOUDER
THAN WORDS.
Westin Price tried to make the case for the need for animal products back in the 1940s .....maybe with social media you will be more successful......
This guy is great. #saveourplanet #gogreen #vegan #greenhousegas #globalwarming
#polution
Paused to make a steak 🥩
Intro too long . . . Get to the POINT!!
💚
Lamb is best 😋
We must love it how we think as humans we know so much & factually...
Historically far past any current known recordings, our earth has always had enough resources to support the continued growth of our species. Saying that anything is unsustainable is often times manufactured market shortage to increase capital gains & throttle economies.
That being said, many of the current agricultural practices will not be sustainable for long. Whether we feel that all sentient life forms have just as much right to live as humans or that we feel meat producers of the world can no longer be trusted is besides the point.
For this conversation to even continue with animals as the main course, farming practices must change. Most likely this first means, only using land which is & has been historically arable. No more destruction of forests or changing the use of land to fit ones often overgrown interests. Yes this means many will not farm, however many more will.
Can we farm without animals, depends on how we use animals. We can run machinery in place of, we can have animals as pets, friends & helpers that exchange fertilizers for food & attention Yes. Using them mainly for our food needs, also yes. Animals also naturally caretake of the earth when in harmony. Though slaughtering them for our food is not needed. And we know not the yes or no to answer to that last thought. We have not as a global society ever run a large or long enough study, which may never happen.
11 minutes - just saying no to what someone else says does not count as a winning argument.
Do we even know what’s good for the planet? Well we can only first look upon ourselves in relation to how we have worked with the earth and how those affects now show results relating to our populations health.
What was good for the planet was probably pretty close before the technological advancements starting with coal in the 17th century. After which time we have been blatantly been gutting our planets resources with little concern of surrounding ecosystems or lasting effects. We can see this by more animals being honored with the title of technical extinction or nearing it.
On feedstuffs
That arable land that is used to produce feedstuffs for cattle to produce meat for humans to eat could be used to raise much more vibrant crops of different types of plants to feed humanity. Thereby using a very large amount of currently farmed land to now strictly feed humans, instead of feeding animals that ends up helping to feed humans. Also, wheat seems a very weak corner stone of the argument here.
If we had historically spent far more on developing plant farming technology and the use of a greater variety of that Kingdom for human consumption, the conversation would be completely different.
Protein
We actually know very little about the needed daily protein intake of humans. Most of the worlds health & diet guideline suggestions are very wrong. This is different for each individual human being. More so most known nutritional science has been skewed and specifically directed relating to industries desires.
If science does not needily share plant pesticides compared at all to animal pesticides that they actually create to the public, then why is it even being brought up as an argument?
One last thought Peter Ballerstedt, have you ever tried an all vegetable diet for 90 days or more?
Lookin' fit.
“ Please we do not know truly the truth
Of what we are told how are Foods are
Produced on a personal level!
Why our pancreas secrete amylase, if our body doesn't need carbs?
Lynn Roberts the liver needs carbs to function specially when it comes to hormonal conversion. Thyroid t4 to t3 (active form) fat and protein can't provide that. Honey, sugar and seasonal fruit the best source of carbs.
Gluconeogenesis.
So that we can digest it in case it's all we can eat.
“ please Your Science Facts On Why
Antibiotics fatten the animals and are
Over used and harm us in the process?
Does he not realize that all plants have a profile of both fatty and amino acids? So yes, ruminants do have them in their diet, they just also use their hind or fore-gut fermentation process to convert more of the sugars into fatty acids.
I agree with this guy, but given the diversity of opinions on diet, I think any reasonable person finds himself asking, after hearing people make directly oppositional cases, 'how do I know which one is true? They both sound convincing.' Well, empiricism. The only way to get an empirical answer about which is healthier is to have groups of people eat different diets, and observe which ones live longer, and get sick less.
All the diet expertise is attempts to _predict_ which ones _will_ live longer, based on reasoning. And that's fine and good. But evidently, diet and digestion are sufficiently complex that whichever factors/dynamics we focus on might mislead us, and we simply can't take them all into account at once. But reality itself does exactly that. It takes all contributing factors into account.
So, you don't need to isolate and master your understanding of all the factors, what they are, and what they do, if you can just do the experiment and observe the end result.
After ~30 years now of vegetarianism/veganism, practitioners of those diets don't seem to be any healthier or live any longer than the human average.
We can theorize more, adjust our models, make more predictions to say, 'well, we hadn't mastered veggie diets initially, so the benefits were off-set by some malpractice; the new, more scientific veggie diets will result in longer/healthier lives.' We can _say_ that. But those results aren't in yet. We'll have to wait and see.
In another 20 years, _if_ those predictions do _not_ prove positive, yet again, no doubt, they'll adjust their models once again and make the same prediction for another 20 years. That's how religions work. But that's also how science works. And maybe they _will_ prove correct.
However, in the mean time, we do have empirical data showing that populations that eat meat thrive more. We have to be careful about that, because, for example, they might be eating more meat because they thrive more, rather than thriving more because they eat more meat. And it may not be even reciprocal. But for the time being, the empirical data, the net-result data, is on the side of eating meat. People starve less. They even have higher average IQs. Again, whether cause or effect, we don't know, so it doesn't prove anything. But... the empirical data, such as it is, falls on that side.
The _predictions_ of the dietitians profession, fall mostly on the other side. I don't trust their predictions, their expertise; I don't view them as authoritative. They have _no proven track record of success._ So, whence their authority?? But that's just me.