The problem is that they didn't prepare an opportunity to check the style of action beforehand and have a consensus. The staff said, "He tells us a new goal at the shooting site." And he doesn't give any specific order. The action director's argument is basically correct. The actors' moves look planned because they're planned. If Anno wanted to solve it cinematically, he could have done it in many other ways. We shouldn't regard it as a problem of auteurism. It's basically a lack of preparation.
Right. I'm assuming there was multiple pre-visuals made for every action scene so it's a major headache to have to recreate something/add/change things that an action team was rehearsing for months.
I think the real problem with Anno (which is also maybe his defining trait as a director?) as a director is that he LOVES to plan extensively during pre-production, but then just decides to improvise everything during actual production. It's the reason why NGE is the way it is. It's why the Rebuilds are the way they are. It's why Love and Pop is so untethered from traditional film form. It's why Shin Godzilla, which he only co-directed, is his smoothest production. So I don't think the problem is a lack of preparation because I'm sure that pre-production was filled with that. The problem is that Anno, at least logistically, is really just not the right kind of director you want to handle a stunt-heavy film. You need a director that sticks to the plan, not someone who treats filmmaking like jazz. You can have Anno as a creative consultant or a writer (like in Shin Ultraman), but not the one in charge of everything because he's a mess. He's a genius, but a mess.
I think there are many artists guilty of getting lost in their persude of perfection. Stanley Kubrick was also very difficult. Another thing is, communication what's in your head is sometimes difficult, even more if you don't know yourself. But his results are out of question. This movie is amazing.
Honestly, I understand that an Artist wants their vision of something to be perfect and come to life but to an extent when it comes to people helping you whether it’s some project in movie or any sort of art, human ethics is always involved for those people’s own safety when helping someone’s make their art come to life. If it comes down to the artist’s caring more about their vision than another person’s well being, then it isn’t worth it and that artist will be on their own One example is the director of The Shining movie and he mentally traumatized the main actress with so many takes that to him wasn’t really catching his vision, and it’s sad of the way she is now
The biggest problem is how to covey what you want to the team in charge. Especially when you don't give any clue, example, or what is wrong and what is right from your POV. Your team has action director, he got his own way. If you want him to do your way, especially with something that completely different, then you should give him a lot information and reference. When you change your direction in the shooting site, then everything are already too late. If you really want to make sure the fighting sequence is meet with your demand, you should consult to your fighting direction first, see their training session, so you will have an idea on what should be done and what should be stop.
Having finally gotten to see it... I can respect what Anno tried to do and convey, however, being that deeply reverent of the old school feel and style was also detrimental at times. You can get a raw chaotic feeling without going nuts on your edits (seriously, the editing, holy hell - in some fights it's great but in others it's insane), the entire point of good action choreography and trust in your action team is entirely that - that's how we have John Wick. Loving and respecting the old school is cool and it's great, but you can also temper it with modern techniques and film language. Look, all that said, I still enjoyed the hell out of this movie and am looking forward to the home release (whenever that happens); but as a paying audience member - gotta be honest about these things..
I actually really enjoyed the editing in this movie. It's how Anno always edited his work (would argue that Evangelion and Cutie Honey's editing are way more manic than the one in Shin KR), and it's the kind of editing you also always see, not just in old school tokusatsu, but in Japanese late-night genre TV shows (like "Trick" and "Time Limit Detective"), Japanese splatterpunk, and in some V-cinema movies. It's a really harsh, heavy, in your face type of rapid editing, and it's really unconventional, mostly rooted in techniques from the Japanese New Wave era. Maybe I just consume too much artsy and geeky Japanese media, but I'm really in love with this exaggerated editing tradition.
After seeing the first 20 minutes airing and seeing the BTS. I understand why those action scenes while choppy and full of unnecessary cuts, felt raw and real unlike many other action movies I've seen. Especially that first fight, without a word you can see how powerful and uncontrollable Hongo's power and violence when he punches those Shocker goons. It creates different emotions and also linked his fear of the Augment power after Kumo Aug fight. I can't speak and judge on how Anno style of direction since it also happened with Kubrick, Tarantino, and Cameron.
That's the point, its supposed to be "raw". Not choreograph or exaggerate action like most other action films. Rider never have fight experience to begin with. The editing is experimental and unconventional, its not a bad thing
@@fizri12 The editing is bad for a fight scene in my opinion. Unless you are going for something were you are putting the audience in the shoes of a confused and disoriented character, the audience should always be able to follow the action.
@@TeamTowers1 Nah, I able to follow the action scene completely fine. Like I said, its unconventional editing for a fight scene which create a different and interesting style of editing.
This is well put. The man makes art... ART. I am honestly just happy there is a director out there with a vision today, who truly cares about his craft. Most directors are just cookie cutter now. Anno is a throwback both in content and style.
Thanks for the tid bit into Anno's directorial life. It would seem those times he said nothing or was vague. I can think of 2 reasons why production went the way it did and does, One Anno had nothing to offer. And waited for the action director to come up with an idea he could either like or dislike. Or two, Anno is the kind or person that needs something tangible to look at, to come up with an idea of how he wants a scene to play out. People can complain and trash on the guy all they want. Just keep in mind that despite his negative attitude at times. Many of his Anime may have been bad if not for Anno complaining and telling everyone to do it over and over again, until he was satisfied. This is my own opinion, which could be completely wrong or right. IDK
I think people are reading too much into this. Comparing what he did to domestic abuse... give me a break. Is he a difficult director... sure... but look what he's responsible for making. He cares A LOT. And props to him for realizing what he said was wrong, and went out to correct it here. People complaining here have not been on many movie sets. This stuff happens frequently, we just don't see it because of corporate BS sugar coating the BTS to make everything look peachy. It rarely is. It's tough, it's demanding, and tempers flare. But it gets done, and 9/10 times everyone brushes it off knowing full well how tough it is.
@@Scifogon Well, not every shoot for a movie is hard or difficult, but I get what you mean. I think it ultimately comes down to the director of the film. Some directors are very, very difficult to work with since, well, they care a whole lot about what they make and try to get it right. But that doesn’t mean EVERY Director is like that. It comes down to communication; if a director doesn’t PROPERLY communicate what they want to the crew, DP, actors, or stunt director then sure it’s going to look bad. Again, it really comes down to the Director. Now, most directors plan everything out through story boards and previs, and it’s clear not a whole lot of planning was down in pre-production on the action scenes. Anno clearly wanted audiences to not see actors or stunt men choreographing fight scenes, but look as if it was real… like they were fully into it. Like it was really happening. And it’s clear, at least to me, Anno didn’t know how to properly communicate that or even plan that stuff out pre-production. Again, it really just comes down to the director. They set the example to the crew on what they want and how they want it, and if they can’t properly do that then it’s going to be a rough shoot. Not every movie shoot is going to be hard, some might be a little more easier than you think.
Yes but after seeing the movie, I get the criticism. He ruined it for me and many other huge fans. Do you know how demoralizing it is to show this movie to your younger brother, trying to prove why Kamen Rider is so cool? Anyway, it sucked.
There, law apply on this you know, if ano cross the line, it will cost his career. If 1 or 2, sure, but in fact so many people appears Nahh,.. Way too much
Tbh, its normal when it comes to auteur directors, Stanley Kubrick, David Lynch etc. Not saying they should keep that way, but that's it is until now. They're all very detailed and demanded of what they want. But lets not be fooled by the documentary too much, its always 50/50 about the truth on set. Even Anno himself said during Shin Eva docu, "the moment documentary has been edited, its all fake". Most documentary just want to show the "difficult" part that happened on set, not really showing the "happy, fun" stuff coz its not that interesting.
Let's be honest. That line komochi warui did end up being iconic. It is difficult for him to work with others. He has a vision of the world that is different from others. It is difficult to convey one though when one's view and value of the world is total different from everyone. I was like him when I was in art school. I gave up and took jobs that's not my passion thinking it will not hurt me as much if I don't care about the works that much. But it still ends up difficult. Slowly I learned how to blend in. My opinion doesn't matter although I know I'm right but if the think I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I don't want to end up like Galileo. Living a rather ok life now but I envy those that fight till the end. I do think Japan movie action choreography is one of the worst in the world. The only Japanese movie that has good action scenes are Fabel. Some of the modern one is kinda ok like rurouni kenshin but it feels like they are fighting with stick rather then sword.
Well if you're working for someone then you will have listen to your boss's vision because he's the one coughing up the money, your vision better be an improved version of his. If you want your vision to be the main vision then you better be the boss, coughing up the money, then you can have whatever vision you have.
Anno was never a good director, never is and never will be. I actually found the action acceptable in the beginning, but as it goes the entire quality plummeted, with very bad framing, many close-up shots, shaking and poor entrance for new characters stepping into a specific scene. The introduction of KR No. 2 was anti climactic, a lot of things were anti climactic... Everything felt bland and served only to complete the homework with no passion, especially the tunnel PS2 graphics CGI crapfest battle. A lot of things could have been solved with more time and prep work, unfortunately that would mean bigger cost and budget for the studio.
Ichiro fight with Hongo and Ichimonji is still better than what can said as the ending of OG 1971 TV series, where the Great Leader just stand there like Garren/Tachibana san for apparently only attack with flash light Not saying its good(Because Anno terrible direction on last fight🙄), but man, its at least something XD
Auteurs are something of a double edged sword. On the one hand they are able to get their unique artistic vision out in an industry that often feels otherwise samey and homogenized. On the other hand they can also start to smell their own farts and end up thinking their vision has more artistic merit then actually has and start to believe every idea they have is a master piece. In that regard Anno is fairly tame and while likely difficult to work with on set, when he's off the clock he doesn't seem to have the kind of inflated ego many auteurs have.
If the action was like Kamen rider the first would b great that explains all the cgi crap . There’s nothing wrong in doing wire stunts too Anno is being difficult wen it comes to action scenes
I think he’s trying to implement of how the original show did it’s fights naturally without relying on the wire stunts that we have now. However, it’s still in consideration of the cast and stunt people’s safety. I don’t know if his mindset is still like from the 70’s but we’re in a different time now where we have the tools and technology for movies and it should be a priority for those that’s performing infront of the camera that their safety comes first Like there was a stunt woman for the Resident evil final chapter by Paul Anderson that had an accident and costed one of her arms , I don’t know what the cause was for the accident and issue afterwards, but the stunt woman was super pissed off that her accident wasn’t covered for by the studio and possibly the way that Anderson was handling the choreography
@@kiryuknightly9411 That was the same complaint I had when it came to some of the action sequences in Shin Ultraman, as Anno really wanted to adhere to the 60-70s way of doing action sequences, not realizing that Tokusatsu production has come a long way since then. I never get why we didn't have at least one actual miniature city scene like what had happened with Shin Godzilla, but I could pass that up as production constraints. I get he is trying to capture as much of the original shows in his Shin Tokusatsu works with a lot of references and homages to the original works, but that strict adherence to that direction is going bring up a lot of issues. I also think him being both Director and Writer in such a close and numerous action scenes of Kamen Rider is not a good fit for him, as he lacks the experience in action choreography the way more experience directors like Shinji Higuchi does action sequences.
The only thing Anno needs is to learn how to express his intent better, like the descriptive talk with Asuka's Seiyuu to get her to understand the specific feeling which he was looking
I agree with anno, the concept of Shin masked rider is stimulating but the action scenes don't match up with the revolutionary style of anno. They were kind of trivial and unnecessary violent. Anno wanted a reversion to the 70s simplistic and chaotic action scenes. The new generation of stuntmen were so used to marvel style of well planned choreography that they despised the old punches and kicks of the original kamen rider shows. I can somewhat understand what anno wanted, simple, realistic, seemingly chaotic and overwhelmingly crowded brawls in which masked rider wiped out the swarms in a straightforward and decisive strikes, not so many fancy movements. Unfortunately his vision was not enthusiastically shared by modern stunt artists. Anno may have watched too many 60s batman shows but I believe ultimately this old style will become trendy again.
To be honest I think a lot of those 70's scenes looked just as phony and obviously choreographed as the more flashy modern stuff. I also don't think comparing modern Toku to Marvel is the most apt comparison. When it isn't a CGI fest Marvel tends to fairly straight forward with it's hand to hand combat scenes.
I wonder if you will still say this after seeing the movie because I wanted so badly to agree with this too but after seeing the movie so many times I can say I am disappointed and Anno should’ve just left it alone.
Anno, like many prolific directors before him, has an uncompromising view of what he wants his art to be and does everything in service of that. It doesn’t excuse the poor treatment of collaborators, but the results are undeniable. I will always say that the well-being of the people around you is far more important than a finished product, but I can scarcely talk when I sat in the theater and was the beneficiary of of Anno’s unhinged demands to his action team. I sat there slack-jawed watching fights I had never seen executed in such a way. Regardless of the ethics of his behavior, the results spoke for themselves.
Saw the movie last night in theatre. This perfectly explains the awkwardness of the last major battle. Two characters were wrestling like school children, which was confounding given how impressive the other 98% the rest of the film’s action was.
I was thinking about that and you're right. The fight scenes were top notch EXCEPT the ending when it was just dudes in latex rolling around with each other. A little bit of a let down.
Excellent video as usual! Very informative. Pure speculation/wondering, do you suppose any of the 'drama' could of been staged for this doc? Anno tried to pull something similar with the GAMERA 3 making-of doc back in '98/'99 (according to Norman' Englands book, BEHIND THE KAIJU CURTAIN). It's also weirdly uncommon to hear about any behind-the-scenes conflict on Japanese sets ... which makes this refreshing and far more interesting than "And everybody worked happily ever after!" 😆 Really hope the Ayaku team covers more Shin Kamen Rider.
Hey Matt! Thanks for watching. You're right. It is unusual for Japan to air a documentary that portrays conflict. I want to believe that, at least for this documentary, it's not staged. Because his behavior here tracks with what he's done as a director in the past.
More and more it seems like Robert Bresson was right about showing violence in a film (interview with Paul Schrader from 1977): "I couldn’t show violence, the blood, and those terrible things, because it would have to be faked for the movie. People would say, “How did they do that?” […] Sometimes you see things well done of this sort, but it is not moving-because you know it is false, because it is forced. But what you can do is have the sensation of death. You can be moved by death if you don’t show it, if you suggest it. But if you show it, it’s finished. The same thing about love. You don’t feel love if you see two people making love."
After having seen the movie, I am deeply disappointed with the action and now I can see why. I have always respected Anno and his work but this. This has made me lose all respect for him. It is deeply disappointing when I have waited my whole life to finally have an opportunity to see a modernized, more gory/adult version of Kamen rider only to get this. I wanted so badly to like this film so much. I’ve watched it more than 3 times now trying to love it but with a lot of pain I have to say, I am disappointed. F*ck Anno. I think he ruined this Movie.
So that's why the action in Shin Kamen Rider was so inconsistent and mediocre. I was so confused when I watched it, I kept think how the tv show had better fights than the movie.
Exactly right?? I love the suits and costumes designs in Shin Kamen rider, and I still wished they were using actual combats instead of using some choppy CGI to replace the fighting scenes while wearing those badass looking suits and costumes
I love everybody's interpretation everything from The man who over prepares but then starts to wing it when he sees things not look good at the end process of filming or a man who underprepares or doesn't communicate correctly what I see is you can prepare for something shoot it and it not look good The problem with everybody else is their experts at their own craft so the fight choreographer is going to say well this was good for every other film but not good for this one I think his high level of taste is everybody else's problem it's clear as Dave he is prepared but decides to see what looks best and tries to exercise every single option to the highest level and degree I can only imagine how difficult it is when you don't understand that It's already hard enough as it is having multiple artists come together to culminate one creation and have one singular secular message through film everyone would have to reset because he's not satisfied but this is a case of do you like his work Do you see where he's going Do you see what he is stated before and why he's had problems in filmmaking It's usually no one has the patience and dexterity for him respectively I like him and I think that he's usually given people who are legends in the industry but he's trying to do something completely different in the genre and if you give people classic individuals who have been working a certain way and you're trying to do something new it becomes essentially chaotic because you're trying to preserve something iconic at the same time do something completely different which is enigmatic to say the least
Anno is a very complex, and talented artist. He definitely has a hard time working with people sometimes, he has such a definite vision in his head and when that doesn't end up being what he sees on screen he will obviously get pretty upset about it and try his best to fix it. I don't agree with everything he's done, however I wouldn't say that what he was doing in this situation was close to domestic abuse. It was two working professionals having a disagreement, Anno got emotional and had a little outburst, and then apologized because he realized that he was overreacting. Sometimes that happens. He is just a person, and a flawed one at that who has dealt with a lot of mental health issues over the years. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying we have to view him as what he is, but talented artist with a lot of emotional difficulties. I'm going to see the movie again at its second showing because I've actually had a hard time narrowing down my feelings on the movie. I will say this though, I appreciate that he is so dedicated to trying to recreate that 70 style. Though I wish that he would have a bit more trust and respect for his action director and his crew. It all comes down to communication and understanding. Hopefully if we do get a sequel these issues are worked out
Yeah well, to make an omelette you have to break some balls. There is conduct that is "not okay" but being demanding and passionate is perfectly okay. Anno has proven again and again and again to be a true artist.
Uh no, Peter Jackson did an excellent job with conveying his vision to the whole team and the LOTR trilogy turned out to be one of a few cinematic masterpieces of all time. It's not that it's hard, it's just a lot of prep work needed to get your vision to be realized as accurately as possible, or maybe even beyond expectations. The LOTR trilogy took 3 damn years just for its pre-production phase, imagine that. And when the Hobbit trilogy ensued, the same problem happened on set, with the director panicking and not knowing what to do because not enough time was given to reimagine Tolkien's world of the Hobbit. There's a correct approach to directing, Anno's way was a whole hose of mistakes many directors would make.
Just came back from the movie, I really did expect the worst for the last fight in this movie, but boy did it still disappoint me. Ever seen that scene where Liam Neeson climbs a fence in Taken 3? Make it with more shaky cam, film it in the dark and make all the cuts a mess and then you'll get the final fight scene in Shin Kamen Rider. It just ruined last part of the film for me, sorry but I can not stand amateur filming techniques like this in a film with 2 billion yen budget. Anno needs to go back and take some filming classes before he can make another Shin Hero Universe movie again. That being said, all the actors did a good job in this film with what they were instructed to do, especially Sosuke Ikematsu who played Takeshi Hongo, dude can act.
It's Anno, he's gonna do stuff like this... It's who he is, he's brilliant but horrible to work with. Which is why I feel abit disturbed when someone says he's their favorite director
'looks fake', and then in the end 80% of the fights were fake as fuck. Only good sequence was during the opening scene with Kumo and his goons, and the very end scene. I really looked forward to the Nigo and Hachi fights, only to be let down with cgi models with awkward cartoonish animation
The problem would be him not being considerate enough for the staff, to the point they are tools to fulfill his vision...not actual people. I get that the staffs are paid to do their job to help the director/filming process, but they're still human being at the end of the day.
And yet Kubrick, William Fredkin, Akira Kurosawa and Alfred Hitchcock keep being successful. I love how you guys keep downplaying this stuff but there are times when method acting comes to play and a director needs to put their damn foot down. And look how many awards they won later. Otherwise I would love to see everyone work/control on a crew set and I doubt it’ll be a great experience.
I smell something wrong with Shin Kamen Rider 2023 fight choreo since the first part of the movie, the shaky camera like Jason Bourne Trilogy make Me fell uncomfortable in My opinion Anno better hire Choreo fight coordinator such Koichi Sakamoto or Tak Sakhaguchi but what done is done like Indonesian poet said;”Nasi sudah jadi bubur.”
Nah, the problem is not the shaky camera because Kamen Rider series also got a lot of shaky camera. But I agree about jJson Bourne, damn it, the close up shots make it worst. The biggest problem is, Anno changing the choreography on filming day. Basically he scrap all all of the planned moves that they already practiced for months and demanding new choreography. This is a proof that he did not review the choreography from the action team. As if he saw if for the first time in filming day and he decided "nope, I don't like it. Change it". Anno and the action director should doing meeting to review all the moves and if anything not in his cup of tea, he should talk about this before the filming day. The biggest problem when you are dealing someone with power to change anything, this person did not always give you a clear instruction/direction about what he want it exactly.
>after shin evangelion people still believe that he's a good director and not a talented HACK. you guys are in for a surprise. what made shin ultra "good" was that Anno wasn't the director of that movie and was NOT responsible for the storyboards (shinji higuchi was the director and several others made storyboards accordenly to what Higuchi wanted)
Thanks for commenting. While Higuchi did direct Shin Ultraman, Anno actually wore a lot of hats during the production (even doing motion motion capture). So some believe that Anno had as much creative input as Higuchi.
@@alexanderavila4662 I mean look at how he writes, he's greentexting on TH-cam lmao. That should say a lot. It's a 4chan tier opinion so it's pretty low effort and doesn't have much actual value.
The problem is that they didn't prepare an opportunity to check the style of action beforehand and have a consensus. The staff said, "He tells us a new goal at the shooting site." And he doesn't give any specific order. The action director's argument is basically correct. The actors' moves look planned because they're planned. If Anno wanted to solve it cinematically, he could have done it in many other ways. We shouldn't regard it as a problem of auteurism. It's basically a lack of preparation.
Right. I'm assuming there was multiple pre-visuals made for every action scene so it's a major headache to have to recreate something/add/change things that an action team was rehearsing for months.
I think the real problem with Anno (which is also maybe his defining trait as a director?) as a director is that he LOVES to plan extensively during pre-production, but then just decides to improvise everything during actual production. It's the reason why NGE is the way it is. It's why the Rebuilds are the way they are. It's why Love and Pop is so untethered from traditional film form. It's why Shin Godzilla, which he only co-directed, is his smoothest production.
So I don't think the problem is a lack of preparation because I'm sure that pre-production was filled with that. The problem is that Anno, at least logistically, is really just not the right kind of director you want to handle a stunt-heavy film. You need a director that sticks to the plan, not someone who treats filmmaking like jazz. You can have Anno as a creative consultant or a writer (like in Shin Ultraman), but not the one in charge of everything because he's a mess. He's a genius, but a mess.
"wires are unrealistic"
the movie: full of CGI fighting
Koichi Sakamoto echoed some of this at AnimeNJ. He said he respected Anno but regretted that so much of the stuntwork was replaced with CG.
I think there are many artists guilty of getting lost in their persude of perfection. Stanley Kubrick was also very difficult. Another thing is, communication what's in your head is sometimes difficult, even more if you don't know yourself. But his results are out of question. This movie is amazing.
Honestly, I understand that an Artist wants their vision of something to be perfect and come to life but to an extent when it comes to people helping you whether it’s some project in movie or any sort of art, human ethics is always involved for those people’s own safety when helping someone’s make their art come to life.
If it comes down to the artist’s caring more about their vision than another person’s well being, then it isn’t worth it and that artist will be on their own
One example is the director of The Shining movie and he mentally traumatized the main actress with so many takes that to him wasn’t really catching his vision, and it’s sad of the way she is now
Truth.
James Cameron on the Abyss too
@@RiderNexus Damn, really?
the guy who played hongo did break his leg right
@@kiryuknightly9411 people almost died making in the abyss bro
The biggest problem is how to covey what you want to the team in charge.
Especially when you don't give any clue, example, or what is wrong and what is right from your POV.
Your team has action director, he got his own way. If you want him to do your way, especially with something that completely different, then you should give him a lot information and reference.
When you change your direction in the shooting site, then everything are already too late.
If you really want to make sure the fighting sequence is meet with your demand, you should consult to your fighting direction first, see their training session, so you will have an idea on what should be done and what should be stop.
Having finally gotten to see it... I can respect what Anno tried to do and convey, however, being that deeply reverent of the old school feel and style was also detrimental at times. You can get a raw chaotic feeling without going nuts on your edits (seriously, the editing, holy hell - in some fights it's great but in others it's insane), the entire point of good action choreography and trust in your action team is entirely that - that's how we have John Wick. Loving and respecting the old school is cool and it's great, but you can also temper it with modern techniques and film language.
Look, all that said, I still enjoyed the hell out of this movie and am looking forward to the home release (whenever that happens); but as a paying audience member - gotta be honest about these things..
I actually really enjoyed the editing in this movie. It's how Anno always edited his work (would argue that Evangelion and Cutie Honey's editing are way more manic than the one in Shin KR), and it's the kind of editing you also always see, not just in old school tokusatsu, but in Japanese late-night genre TV shows (like "Trick" and "Time Limit Detective"), Japanese splatterpunk, and in some V-cinema movies. It's a really harsh, heavy, in your face type of rapid editing, and it's really unconventional, mostly rooted in techniques from the Japanese New Wave era. Maybe I just consume too much artsy and geeky Japanese media, but I'm really in love with this exaggerated editing tradition.
After seeing the first 20 minutes airing and seeing the BTS. I understand why those action scenes while choppy and full of unnecessary cuts, felt raw and real unlike many other action movies I've seen. Especially that first fight, without a word you can see how powerful and uncontrollable Hongo's power and violence when he punches those Shocker goons. It creates different emotions and also linked his fear of the Augment power after Kumo Aug fight.
I can't speak and judge on how Anno style of direction since it also happened with Kubrick, Tarantino, and Cameron.
That's the point, its supposed to be "raw". Not choreograph or exaggerate action like most other action films. Rider never have fight experience to begin with. The editing is experimental and unconventional, its not a bad thing
@@fizri12 The editing is bad for a fight scene in my opinion. Unless you are going for something were you are putting the audience in the shoes of a confused and disoriented character, the audience should always be able to follow the action.
@@TeamTowers1 Nah, I able to follow the action scene completely fine. Like I said, its unconventional editing for a fight scene which create a different and interesting style of editing.
@@fizri12 Not to mention, that style of editing for the first fight scene is more than likely a reference to the original shows editing style
@@spider59er35 of course but it also very anno-esque style editing
Regardless of this films issues. Shin Kamen Rider is the best superhero movie I have seen in a long time.
Some see him as a madman with too much control.
Some see him as a genius with deserved status.
Me? I dunno- I like what he makes-
This explains A LOT. Thank youu
Thanks for watching!
Anno has always been difficult to work with. He's the Kubrick of anime and Toku for a reason. That's both a good and Bad thing
Not as bad as Kubrick though. Anno seems a bit disturbed and unhinged, but Kubrick was a psychotic monster.
@@kinggreen5424 I wouldn't be surprised if Anno was abused by his father
This is well put. The man makes art... ART. I am honestly just happy there is a director out there with a vision today, who truly cares about his craft. Most directors are just cookie cutter now. Anno is a throwback both in content and style.
Thanks for the tid bit into Anno's directorial life. It would seem those times he said nothing or was vague. I can think of 2 reasons why production went the way it did and does, One Anno had nothing to offer. And waited for the action director to come up with an idea he could either like or dislike. Or two, Anno is the kind or person that needs something tangible to look at, to come up with an idea of how he wants a scene to play out.
People can complain and trash on the guy all they want. Just keep in mind that despite his negative attitude at times. Many of his Anime may have been bad if not for Anno complaining and telling everyone to do it over and over again, until he was satisfied.
This is my own opinion, which could be completely wrong or right. IDK
I think people are reading too much into this. Comparing what he did to domestic abuse... give me a break. Is he a difficult director... sure... but look what he's responsible for making. He cares A LOT. And props to him for realizing what he said was wrong, and went out to correct it here. People complaining here have not been on many movie sets. This stuff happens frequently, we just don't see it because of corporate BS sugar coating the BTS to make everything look peachy. It rarely is. It's tough, it's demanding, and tempers flare. But it gets done, and 9/10 times everyone brushes it off knowing full well how tough it is.
I agree. I really hate all those new overedited BTS/Making of featurettes and documentaries showing only the smiles on set.
@@Scifogon Well, not every shoot for a movie is hard or difficult, but I get what you mean. I think it ultimately comes down to the director of the film. Some directors are very, very difficult to work with since, well, they care a whole lot about what they make and try to get it right. But that doesn’t mean EVERY Director is like that. It comes down to communication; if a director doesn’t PROPERLY communicate what they want to the crew, DP, actors, or stunt director then sure it’s going to look bad.
Again, it really comes down to the Director. Now, most directors plan everything out through story boards and previs, and it’s clear not a whole lot of planning was down in pre-production on the action scenes. Anno clearly wanted audiences to not see actors or stunt men choreographing fight scenes, but look as if it was real… like they were fully into it. Like it was really happening. And it’s clear, at least to me, Anno didn’t know how to properly communicate that or even plan that stuff out pre-production. Again, it really just comes down to the director. They set the example to the crew on what they want and how they want it, and if they can’t properly do that then it’s going to be a rough shoot. Not every movie shoot is going to be hard, some might be a little more easier than you think.
@@shinrodanreviews4322 Oh yes, I know that.
Yes but after seeing the movie, I get the criticism. He ruined it for me and many other huge fans. Do you know how demoralizing it is to show this movie to your younger brother, trying to prove why Kamen Rider is so cool? Anyway, it sucked.
There, law apply on this you know,
if ano cross the line, it will cost his career.
If 1 or 2, sure, but in fact so many people appears
Nahh,.. Way too much
Tbh, its normal when it comes to auteur directors, Stanley Kubrick, David Lynch etc. Not saying they should keep that way, but that's it is until now. They're all very detailed and demanded of what they want. But lets not be fooled by the documentary too much, its always 50/50 about the truth on set. Even Anno himself said during Shin Eva docu, "the moment documentary has been edited, its all fake". Most documentary just want to show the "difficult" part that happened on set, not really showing the "happy, fun" stuff coz its not that interesting.
I'm hoping there'll be another documentary or behind-the-scenes features that gives us glimpses of the creation of the costume, bike etc.
@@ayakuweb i would like that to be on bluray bonus featurette
Let's be honest. That line komochi warui did end up being iconic. It is difficult for him to work with others. He has a vision of the world that is different from others. It is difficult to convey one though when one's view and value of the world is total different from everyone. I was like him when I was in art school. I gave up and took jobs that's not my passion thinking it will not hurt me as much if I don't care about the works that much. But it still ends up difficult. Slowly I learned how to blend in. My opinion doesn't matter although I know I'm right but if the think I'm wrong then I'm wrong. I don't want to end up like Galileo. Living a rather ok life now but I envy those that fight till the end.
I do think Japan movie action choreography is one of the worst in the world. The only Japanese movie that has good action scenes are Fabel. Some of the modern one is kinda ok like rurouni kenshin but it feels like they are fighting with stick rather then sword.
Well if you're working for someone then you will have listen to your boss's vision because he's the one coughing up the money, your vision better be an improved version of his. If you want your vision to be the main vision then you better be the boss, coughing up the money, then you can have whatever vision you have.
Anno is slowly turning into Stanley Kubric..
Anno could never be him
( Hate Them or not ) they’re just not the same .
Nah, he doesn’t need to be. Anno is great!
Anno was never a good director, never is and never will be. I actually found the action acceptable in the beginning, but as it goes the entire quality plummeted, with very bad framing, many close-up shots, shaking and poor entrance for new characters stepping into a specific scene. The introduction of KR No. 2 was anti climactic, a lot of things were anti climactic... Everything felt bland and served only to complete the homework with no passion, especially the tunnel PS2 graphics CGI crapfest battle.
A lot of things could have been solved with more time and prep work, unfortunately that would mean bigger cost and budget for the studio.
I think anno just love rider so much that is why he want to take it to the extreme
Hmm he's actually brought this behavior to many of his projects though.
Ichiro fight with Hongo and Ichimonji is still better than what can said as the ending of OG 1971 TV series, where the Great Leader just stand there like Garren/Tachibana san for apparently only attack with flash light
Not saying its good(Because Anno terrible direction on last fight🙄), but man, its at least something XD
Auteurs are something of a double edged sword. On the one hand they are able to get their unique artistic vision out in an industry that often feels otherwise samey and homogenized. On the other hand they can also start to smell their own farts and end up thinking their vision has more artistic merit then actually has and start to believe every idea they have is a master piece. In that regard Anno is fairly tame and while likely difficult to work with on set, when he's off the clock he doesn't seem to have the kind of inflated ego many auteurs have.
very informative, i really hope you make more SKR vids in the future once it is easy to get.
"video will contain spoiler"
Aight lemme come back to this video after i see the movie 😂😂
Anno is a perfectionist
If the action was like Kamen rider the first would b great that explains all the cgi crap . There’s nothing wrong in doing wire stunts too Anno is being difficult wen it comes to action scenes
I think he’s trying to implement of how the original show did it’s fights naturally without relying on the wire stunts that we have now. However, it’s still in consideration of the cast and stunt people’s safety. I don’t know if his mindset is still like from the 70’s but we’re in a different time now where we have the tools and technology for movies and it should be a priority for those that’s performing infront of the camera that their safety comes first
Like there was a stunt woman for the Resident evil final chapter by Paul Anderson that had an accident and costed one of her arms , I don’t know what the cause was for the accident and issue afterwards, but the stunt woman was super pissed off that her accident wasn’t covered for by the studio and possibly the way that Anderson was handling the choreography
@@kiryuknightly9411 he is not from the 70s when it comes to his work
@@kiryuknightly9411 That was the same complaint I had when it came to some of the action sequences in Shin Ultraman, as Anno really wanted to adhere to the 60-70s way of doing action sequences, not realizing that Tokusatsu production has come a long way since then. I never get why we didn't have at least one actual miniature city scene like what had happened with Shin Godzilla, but I could pass that up as production constraints.
I get he is trying to capture as much of the original shows in his Shin Tokusatsu works with a lot of references and homages to the original works, but that strict adherence to that direction is going bring up a lot of issues. I also think him being both Director and Writer in such a close and numerous action scenes of Kamen Rider is not a good fit for him, as he lacks the experience in action choreography the way more experience directors like Shinji Higuchi does action sequences.
@@kiryuknightly9411it wasn’t like the 70s at all it was mostly bad CG fights
The only thing Anno needs is to learn how to express his intent better, like the descriptive talk with Asuka's Seiyuu to get her to understand the specific feeling which he was looking
I think he believes that their frustration is needed to bring out the raw feeling
Does that make him a Method Director?
"Redo it, the fighting is not realistic enough"
*Proceeds to make the final cut fight scenes cgi garbage*
Never let Anno cook again 💀
@@Bemstar_IIYeah , especially for live action looking at you ( Shin Godzilla ) .
4:35 where is that footage from?
What Anno says makes sense.
yeahhhh, hes in the james cameron camp of autuer lol. Shit sounds soooo frustrating lool
Yeah very frustrating. He expects everyone to somehow comprehend his vision.
This video just goes to prove what a great artist and director does to find their desired goal. Nothing but respect for Anno-san.
I agree with anno, the concept of Shin masked rider is stimulating but the action scenes don't match up with the revolutionary style of anno. They were kind of trivial and unnecessary violent. Anno wanted a reversion to the 70s simplistic and chaotic action scenes. The new generation of stuntmen were so used to marvel style of well planned choreography that they despised the old punches and kicks of the original kamen rider shows. I can somewhat understand what anno wanted, simple, realistic, seemingly chaotic and overwhelmingly crowded brawls in which masked rider wiped out the swarms in a straightforward and decisive strikes, not so many fancy movements. Unfortunately his vision was not enthusiastically shared by modern stunt artists. Anno may have watched too many 60s batman shows but I believe ultimately this old style will become trendy again.
To be honest I think a lot of those 70's scenes looked just as phony and obviously choreographed as the more flashy modern stuff. I also don't think comparing modern Toku to Marvel is the most apt comparison. When it isn't a CGI fest Marvel tends to fairly straight forward with it's hand to hand combat scenes.
Wondering what would happen if Anno directs the next James Bond film, would it look like the Connery and Moore films?
I wonder if you will still say this after seeing the movie because I wanted so badly to agree with this too but after seeing the movie so many times I can say I am disappointed and Anno should’ve just left it alone.
Then he didn't understand what he signed up to when he was doing Shin Karmen Rider, it has always been dark it's the adult power rangers.
Anno, like many prolific directors before him, has an uncompromising view of what he wants his art to be and does everything in service of that. It doesn’t excuse the poor treatment of collaborators, but the results are undeniable. I will always say that the well-being of the people around you is far more important than a finished product, but I can scarcely talk when I sat in the theater and was the beneficiary of of Anno’s unhinged demands to his action team. I sat there slack-jawed watching fights I had never seen executed in such a way. Regardless of the ethics of his behavior, the results spoke for themselves.
Saw the movie last night in theatre. This perfectly explains the awkwardness of the last major battle. Two characters were wrestling like school children, which was confounding given how impressive the other 98% the rest of the film’s action was.
I was thinking about that and you're right. The fight scenes were top notch EXCEPT the ending when it was just dudes in latex rolling around with each other. A little bit of a let down.
Anno could've kept the old style of Kamen riders where instead of CGI, there would be an actual combats instead like in a Kung-Fu film
At least he treats the IPs with respect unlike a certain movie director *coughs* Zach Snyder
Excellent video as usual! Very informative. Pure speculation/wondering, do you suppose any of the 'drama' could of been staged for this doc? Anno tried to pull something similar with the GAMERA 3 making-of doc back in '98/'99 (according to Norman' Englands book, BEHIND THE KAIJU CURTAIN). It's also weirdly uncommon to hear about any behind-the-scenes conflict on Japanese sets ... which makes this refreshing and far more interesting than "And everybody worked happily ever after!" 😆 Really hope the Ayaku team covers more Shin Kamen Rider.
Hey Matt! Thanks for watching. You're right. It is unusual for Japan to air a documentary that portrays conflict. I want to believe that, at least for this documentary, it's not staged. Because his behavior here tracks with what he's done as a director in the past.
And for sure we'll be doing more Shin Kamen Rider videos!
They should've hired a Hong Kong action choreographer
Anno would just dismiss them since they also do choreographed fights.
Wow, great video. Very tightly edited and written.
Is there any way to find the BTS subbed?
Working with Anno It's probably hell. But atleast the movie was good.
More and more it seems like Robert Bresson was right about showing violence in a film (interview with Paul Schrader from 1977):
"I couldn’t show violence, the blood, and those terrible things, because it would have to be faked for the movie. People would say, “How did they do that?” […] Sometimes you see things well done of this sort, but it is not moving-because you know it is false, because it is forced. But what you can do is have the sensation of death. You can be moved by death if you don’t show it, if you suggest it. But if you show it, it’s finished. The same thing about love. You don’t feel love if you see two people making love."
Just saying but it does feel like it is missing scenes
スムースなスタント、ファイティング・アクションは綺麗ではあるが、迫力や生々しい暴力性に欠けたりしがち。
これは監督、スタントマン、役者たちにとって一種のジレンマであると思う。
1970年代の粗削りで体当たり的なスタントへのノスタルジーと、技術的に洗練された現代のファイティング・アクション。
すでに出来上がったものを作り直そうとすれば、それは試行錯誤の連続となるし、そうした中では当然、何らかの対立が生まれてしまう。
実際にIMAXで作品を見たが、満点とは決して言えないながらも、旧き時代、1970年代の仮面ライダーで育った私にとっては満足度の高い作品だった。
CGの一部は正直少し残念ではあったし、サイクロン号のデザインも好みではないが、それでも楽しめるパワフルな作品です。
After having seen the movie, I am deeply disappointed with the action and now I can see why. I have always respected Anno and his work but this. This has made me lose all respect for him. It is deeply disappointing when I have waited my whole life to finally have an opportunity to see a modernized, more gory/adult version of Kamen rider only to get this. I wanted so badly to like this film so much. I’ve watched it more than 3 times now trying to love it but with a lot of pain I have to say, I am disappointed. F*ck Anno. I think he ruined this Movie.
Wah, my Kamen Rider isn't gory! Wah
Anno cooked and it got burnt damn
At least we have Amazons and Black Sun for bloody adult Kamen Rider that DOESN'T suck.
So that's why the action in Shin Kamen Rider was so inconsistent and mediocre. I was so confused when I watched it, I kept think how the tv show had better fights than the movie.
Exactly right?? I love the suits and costumes designs in Shin Kamen rider, and I still wished they were using actual combats instead of using some choppy CGI to replace the fighting scenes while wearing those badass looking suits and costumes
What the hell he’s doing to his team that so freaking insane
does anybody know where to watch shin kamen rider online?
I love everybody's interpretation everything from The man who over prepares but then starts to wing it when he sees things not look good at the end process of filming or a man who underprepares or doesn't communicate correctly what I see is you can prepare for something shoot it and it not look good The problem with everybody else is their experts at their own craft so the fight choreographer is going to say well this was good for every other film but not good for this one I think his high level of taste is everybody else's problem it's clear as Dave he is prepared but decides to see what looks best and tries to exercise every single option to the highest level and degree I can only imagine how difficult it is when you don't understand that It's already hard enough as it is having multiple artists come together to culminate one creation and have one singular secular message through film everyone would have to reset because he's not satisfied but this is a case of do you like his work Do you see where he's going Do you see what he is stated before and why he's had problems in filmmaking It's usually no one has the patience and dexterity for him respectively I like him and I think that he's usually given people who are legends in the industry but he's trying to do something completely different in the genre and if you give people classic individuals who have been working a certain way and you're trying to do something new it becomes essentially chaotic because you're trying to preserve something iconic at the same time do something completely different which is enigmatic to say the least
Anno is a very complex, and talented artist. He definitely has a hard time working with people sometimes, he has such a definite vision in his head and when that doesn't end up being what he sees on screen he will obviously get pretty upset about it and try his best to fix it. I don't agree with everything he's done, however I wouldn't say that what he was doing in this situation was close to domestic abuse. It was two working professionals having a disagreement, Anno got emotional and had a little outburst, and then apologized because he realized that he was overreacting. Sometimes that happens. He is just a person, and a flawed one at that who has dealt with a lot of mental health issues over the years. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying we have to view him as what he is, but talented artist with a lot of emotional difficulties. I'm going to see the movie again at its second showing because I've actually had a hard time narrowing down my feelings on the movie. I will say this though, I appreciate that he is so dedicated to trying to recreate that 70 style. Though I wish that he would have a bit more trust and respect for his action director and his crew. It all comes down to communication and understanding. Hopefully if we do get a sequel these issues are worked out
Tomino and Ano kinda has simillar direction on directing tomino punch a voice actor so he can act being punch realisticly
THAT HAPPENED? LOL
Where can i watch the NHK documentary tho?
It should be on their website.
Are there subs for Shin Kamen Rider documentary?
To my knowledge no. The subtitles you see in my video was our translation and our edits.
Where can i watch this documentary online with eng sub?
Thanks for commenting. That I'm not sure. The English subtitles you see on the screen was translated and added by me.
This is tame compared to what people who worked with Kubrick report. Both directors produced masterpieces. Leave them be.
Yeah well, to make an omelette you have to break some balls. There is conduct that is "not okay" but being demanding and passionate is perfectly okay. Anno has proven again and again and again to be a true artist.
That's a hot take. I like it.
He should’ve gotten Garreth Evans if he wanted high quality action scenes
I don't blame Anno tbh. Directing is hard and it's hard to convey what you want, exactly how you want it.
Uh no, Peter Jackson did an excellent job with conveying his vision to the whole team and the LOTR trilogy turned out to be one of a few cinematic masterpieces of all time. It's not that it's hard, it's just a lot of prep work needed to get your vision to be realized as accurately as possible, or maybe even beyond expectations. The LOTR trilogy took 3 damn years just for its pre-production phase, imagine that. And when the Hobbit trilogy ensued, the same problem happened on set, with the director panicking and not knowing what to do because not enough time was given to reimagine Tolkien's world of the Hobbit.
There's a correct approach to directing, Anno's way was a whole hose of mistakes many directors would make.
@@Waterbug1591 Anno is not Peter Jackson.
He's kind of like Kurosawa in a way.
Just came back from the movie, I really did expect the worst for the last fight in this movie, but boy did it still disappoint me. Ever seen that scene where Liam Neeson climbs a fence in Taken 3? Make it with more shaky cam, film it in the dark and make all the cuts a mess and then you'll get the final fight scene in Shin Kamen Rider. It just ruined last part of the film for me, sorry but I can not stand amateur filming techniques like this in a film with 2 billion yen budget. Anno needs to go back and take some filming classes before he can make another Shin Hero Universe movie again. That being said, all the actors did a good job in this film with what they were instructed to do, especially Sosuke Ikematsu who played Takeshi Hongo, dude can act.
Should have worked with Shinji Higuchi.
Lol say what about the laws of physics??
It's Anno, he's gonna do stuff like this... It's who he is, he's brilliant but horrible to work with. Which is why I feel abit disturbed when someone says he's their favorite director
Looking at you ( Shin Godzilla )
all those Hardship of acting Really Pays Off. I really Love this Shin Kamen Rider.
'looks fake', and then in the end 80% of the fights were fake as fuck. Only good sequence was during the opening scene with Kumo and his goons, and the very end scene.
I really looked forward to the Nigo and Hachi fights, only to be let down with cgi models with awkward cartoonish animation
that aside, I loved the movie and all its quirks right before the ending fight. that was so cringy
Guess work got the best to him
It's nice to know that he really cares about these projects. It's just that he takes it to the extreme sometimes.
The problem would be him not being considerate enough for the staff, to the point they are tools to fulfill his vision...not actual people. I get that the staffs are paid to do their job to help the director/filming process, but they're still human being at the end of the day.
And yet Kubrick, William Fredkin, Akira Kurosawa and Alfred Hitchcock keep being successful. I love how you guys keep downplaying this stuff but there are times when method acting comes to play and a director needs to put their damn foot down. And look how many awards they won later. Otherwise I would love to see everyone work/control on a crew set and I doubt it’ll be a great experience.
Eh i had fun
Yeah. Eventhough, the CGI looks very garbo most of the time. I still got the hang of it slowly
Not enough action scene to be honest. And when there's action, it's not consistence.
I smell something wrong with Shin Kamen Rider 2023 fight choreo since the first part of the movie, the shaky camera like Jason Bourne Trilogy make Me fell uncomfortable in My opinion Anno better hire Choreo fight coordinator such Koichi Sakamoto or Tak Sakhaguchi but what done is done like Indonesian poet said;”Nasi sudah jadi bubur.”
Nah, the problem is not the shaky camera because Kamen Rider series also got a lot of shaky camera. But I agree about jJson Bourne, damn it, the close up shots make it worst.
The biggest problem is, Anno changing the choreography on filming day.
Basically he scrap all all of the planned moves that they already practiced for months and demanding new choreography.
This is a proof that he did not review the choreography from the action team. As if he saw if for the first time in filming day and he decided "nope, I don't like it. Change it".
Anno and the action director should doing meeting to review all the moves and if anything not in his cup of tea, he should talk about this before the filming day.
The biggest problem when you are dealing someone with power to change anything, this person did not always give you a clear instruction/direction about what he want it exactly.
The prana aspect is stupid. Anno needs to stop turning everything into Neon Genesis Evangelion
I mean, from what I can see, I don’t have much issue. If we can have Gaia memories and things like that without issue, we can have Prana.
Yeah I don't mind it myself either. But I get where Fang Joker is coming from.
Bad take
Thanks hater, now get lost.
he did not want actors to just read and act a the part but to just react to a real fight or die so movie feels less like the Marvel or d/c movies.
( Interesting )
>after shin evangelion people still believe that he's a good director and not a talented HACK.
you guys are in for a surprise. what made shin ultra "good" was that Anno wasn't the director of that movie and was NOT responsible for the storyboards (shinji higuchi was the director and several others made storyboards accordenly to what Higuchi wanted)
Thanks for commenting. While Higuchi did direct Shin Ultraman, Anno actually wore a lot of hats during the production (even doing motion motion capture). So some believe that Anno had as much creative input as Higuchi.
So you never watched Gunbuster
@@MaxP_88 literally written by someone else and co directed by hiroyuki yamaga (uncredited)
@@MaxP_88 people really like to attack anno in the west
@@alexanderavila4662 I mean look at how he writes, he's greentexting on TH-cam lmao. That should say a lot. It's a 4chan tier opinion so it's pretty low effort and doesn't have much actual value.
And that's how he created a masterpiece.
Commoner won't understand this LOL
This film was not great.
Just watched it. Honestly, I give it a 6 outta 10. Only bc I loved the suits, the actors did well for what they had to work with etc.