Hydro locking Our Cayenne In A RIVER - Ep4
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- ►This week on the Yippie Cayenne build, Ben takes us through his impromptu trip to Colorado for Gridlife. After the suspension and exterior upgrades were installed at Eurowise Performance and the Cayenne passed its first test through the Uwharrie National Forrest, the big pig drove back north to FCP Euro HQ in Connecticut for its last few modifications. Yeah, that’s right, there was still more to do-including some Baja Design LP6's and LP4's, a Thule rooftop tent and awning, and a few other bits and bobs. What’s an off-road SUV without some proper lights, right? While Ben and Mike were chipping away at installing the last few bits and setting up a photoshoot, they received a phone call that would end with a plan to send the Cayenne out to Colorado for the #GRIDLIFE Alpine Horizon festival.
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00:00 -Introduction
00:39 - Previously On
01:45 - FCP Euro Goes To Alpine Gridlife Horizon - Pikes Peak Colorado
03:15 - Porsche Cayenne Turbo Off-Roading With Berg Performance - Denver, Colorado
06:40 - Stuck Porsche Cayenne Turbo Offroading
08:42 - Porsche Cayenne Turbo Crossing A River
09:09 - Porsche Cayenne Turbo Stuck In A River - Hydrolocked Engine
15:00 - Conclusion
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Don't feel bad! Part of the excitement is dealing with problems - that's what makes it an "adventure." This is why offroading is better than meeting your buddies at a Starbucks - anyone can do that. You brought a bunch of people together which wouldn't have happened otherwise.
Not to make the driver feel bad, but if he had gone just a little bit slower into the river, he probably would not have hydro-locked.
Just be glad that you're part of something so cool.
You'e not wrong all on fronts CoachSteve4u - an exerience non of the team here would replace as it was truly an adventure to remember. Ben certainly learned his lesson the hard way on how to better approach a water feature in the future 😂
Daaang, don’t beat yourself up too bad man!!!! Love the series
Just discovered this channel, and have really been enjoying the build! Big inspiration for me, as I would love to build a Cayenne pretty much exactly like this.
So gutted to see the hydrolock, and fully understand / appreciate your reaction. Will definitely be shopping over you guys & eurowise when it comes to the build!
I actually just watched the recovery video 1st by mistake & I loved the team effort. I love this project you all have here & you guys just gave me added motivation to continue the off-road/overland build with my 955 N/A Cayenne. Keep up the awesome work, I'm a fan 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for watching Mike, let us know how your 955 project comes along, hope we can help along the way!
@@fcpeuro thank you so much for your response, it is definitely very appreciated! Right now it is not running, something is draining the battery. So I'm going to buy a new alternator and then take it to the shop. We will see from that point
Oh shit!!! Can’t wait to see when you get it out!!
Next Thursday you can come back and enjoy that struggle! haha, thanks for watching Chandler.
As soon as you opened the driver door, I was expecting to see FISH come out of there too LOL And then RAIN pour? At the end of the day, a snorkel would have definitely helped.
I have to come clean... I have always hated JEEPS and Jeep guys... Well... Because I have always been a 4Runner/Toyota/Lexus GX Guy. But the sense of camaraderie, blew me away.. I now have a new sense of "RESPECT" for these guys!!!!
FCP Euro Thanks for the update.. Even if it was a negative one.. We'll all look forward to the next one..
Kiss Kiss not all hope is lost, tune in next week to see the team battle to get the Yippie Cayenne out in 1 piece! Also we cant speak highly enough about the entire Off-Road community as a whole, they have been nothing but helpful and accommodating as we learned our way through these epxeriences with the 957.
Great camera work! Also, Go Jeep Buddies!
As we've been lucky to find out - the off road community is like no other!
I bought a truck last year for overlanding. Being into cars like you guys first thing I did was take Offroad 101 & 201 with Offroad Consulting at Rausch Creek in PA. They teach a lot of this stuff. Highly recommend.
We regret not signing Ben up for something like that! Thanks for the info talus9998
This was a heartbreaker! I want one like this one and felt like it was mine being left behind 😧
It hurts to re live every time we watch it. 😰
FREAKING LOVE IT!!!!
We love that you love it Austin. Plus that sidewayz Audi appearance 😅
@@fcpeuro New car is even better !
Definitely heartbreaking, looking forward to more cayenne content… Go get it!
Tune in tomorrow Michael, we don't think it'll disappoint!
The first thing I thought of when there was a mention of the engine hydrolocking is oh boy does that mean we will see a video of the engine being removed and rebuilt ? 😃
Donlt worry Jim, that episode is coming 😁
@@fcpeuro that reply made my day, ive been loving this series and was hella sad when this happened
@@Stryfe132 glad you've been loving it! Hopefully you'll enjoy the rest of the series, we think it only gets better ^.^
Military taught me about Water fording, wish you had that training ahead of time
Would have LOVED that training ahead of time. Could have saved a lot of stress, money, and heartache haha. Thank you for your service!
YEAH! More content!!!
Lot more to some Erik!
Trying to learn from others mistakes. How could they have done better? Approach slower into the River?
No snorkel 🤿??? Trying to cross the river..?? Good Job !! I would do the same 😅
Can confirm, snorkels and/or a slower approach would have alleviated this whole situation 😅
So at this point, if you go slow and steady, what would you say the highest point of the cayenne to go or not to go into the water? I always thought it was about the height of the wheels? I mean I had water go over my hood, (splashes) not river.. Just curious cuz I have one lol and I would go cross that river too lol
Technically from factory its approved to cross through 21.8" of water, that said with factory shrouds installed and the foam to knock down splashing it can be more, that said the intakes are in a slightly suspect spot, and given the right conditions.... this can happen 😔
You drove into that river way to fast for not having a snorkel, slow and steady is the way to go.
Yeah, the first Cayenne took it much slower, the quicker speed caused that water to splash up into the intakes for sure... they're mounted pretty high for a factory setup but still very marginal for that deep of a river.
@@SteveBassen You won't make the same mistake twice..u hope.
100% the case, it was only seconds later Ben realized "$h&*^% I needed to approach the water wayyyy slower" An unfortunate lesson to learn, but hopefully this reminds others new to game what not to do.
going into the river that deep in a turbo car is wild lol s model with a snorkel kit would have been fine but who wants a non turbo car
Ben has no chill.
I wonder how those other Cayenne’s got thru the water so easy. I thought they looked like good off road vehicles, but with the electrical and intake so low they definitely ain’t for any trails that have water.
They shouldn’t get on to dude. If one guy knew all that about it he should of told them “Hey we making this for Overland, but it can’t cross any water deeper than X feet (looked about 1.5 feet 🤦♂️) and that’s even if we put a snorkel on it cause of the air pump, wiring, and other stuff is low af.” Like that is important info. Anything that will directly affect your main plan in a major negative way like: Plan: build an off-road vehicle. Problem: Your buddy, co-worker, boss, teammate choose a vehicle that takes massive amount of work to cross shallow water.
It is a shame they had to leave it there. It seems a well built full size 4x4 truck could pull them back to the road with decent equipment and someone in the Porsche that knows how to control a vehicle being towed. Heck build a front tire vehicle dolly to off road standard and it would almost be easy. Just got to remember you got it back there and adjust accordingly. Of course some manufacturers put in drivetrain components that are known to break or are just enough for the power the motor has. I know folks that with 1-3 year old Silverados that had transmissions go out cause they put rims and tires on it, cause they pulled an rv (within weight limit), or just cause. Meanwhile read that I can put a SBC 350 in my T100 with a bell house adapter. The clutch and transmission toyota put in to attach to a 3.0 V6 is plenty strong for a 350 V8. Like lmfao. Toyota putting in stronger transmissions and clutches for a 3.0 than Chevy does for a 5.7 🤦♂️. They lucky them Silverados look so good, the sbc’s are so compact of a V8, and that truck people are so loyal they will buy their Chevy, Ford, or Dodge knowing they gonna have to do work on it.
Space Coast Rovers co-founder says: we cross swamp here in FL. Its more than snorkel. Theres. Extended tube vents on diffs & transes. RTV every wire connection under the hood for ignition, engine controls, off switches for radiator fans, so much more. Even the air suspension air intake in that new wabco unit needs lifted or relocated. Got chocolate milk in all your drive train. But will be surprised, unless bent rods, how it recovers... Get back on that horse. Its still a 130k vehicle thats made with great naterials and will bounce back. Change the. Rods or LKQ the short block in worse case. Weve seen 44" rat motor single cab monster trucks disappear over the roofline in swamp and come back. Get back on the horse.
Saddle is back on, just gotta hop on top and ride it into the sunset. Someday...soon.
9:09 cayenne enters water, by 9:11 cayenne is hydrolocked. Water ingestion probably occurred at 9:10 with that moderately large second splash, which occurred due to a modestly higher entry speed than Berg's cayenne. doing water crossings in these without snorkels- you're really living on the edge
Ben was living a little too comfy on that edge throughout this build 😅
And people keep telling me a snorkel is overkill. It is, until it isn't. This was a rough watch. Always hate to see someone break something that will cost this much to fix.
Was there an issue with the airbox that contributed to this?
It's safe to say the lack of factory shrouding (removed) did not help in this case, it likely would have knocked down that initial splash during the (too fast) of an approach into the water. Ultimately that allowed water into the intake, and then from there into the combustion chamber. Stay tuned though, things get interesting!
@@fcpeuro That makes total sense. So it rushed in from the new exposed area underneath.
Real cliff hanger here
Just a littttlee. Atleast we will have answers next Thursday 🙂
Ohhh Boy!!! TRUE: Your body needs H2o to replenish and continue working as a great oiled machine.. This is NOT what we had in mind, though lol
That was tough. ugh. And there is still that driveshaft bearing looming. Change it now.
damn this is like a K drama show.
PLOT TWIST
So sad ☹Slow and steady, and know your limits. When fording deep water, you need to watch for vents or other holes for things like transmission, air compressor, etc..., and the wiring harnesses (if they aren't waterproof). Like you point out, there are harnesses under the floor on both sides (which causes problem if the drains get plugged) - and if you are deep enough, then water can come in through the drains. I'm a bit surprised you got hydrolock - the intakes are pretty high (although the bottom of the air filter is low, the exit of the air filter is on top). Even if you don't get hydrolock, contaminated fluids and such can be a problem later on. It's my impression that vehicles where deep water is anticipated need special treatment to prevent water ingress (snorkel is just one item). Coil-overs may actually be more reliable than air suspension in this case.
Totally the case Johnathon - live and learn on this one. The reality was the front shroud removed previously that helps knock water down from the intakes would have likely knocked down the initial splash, the water coming into the cabin certainly happened over time as the outside pressure built up while getting it out. Stay tuned to see how the team tries to revive and rebuild the Yippie Cayenne in the coming weeks.
@@fcpeuro Looking forward to the videos - lots of opportunity to see much deeper into the engine.
Johnathon McAlister we promise by the end of this you will see deep into the bowels of this engine haha
Call Matt’s off-road recovery they’ll get it out
we wish we did.... 😰
The intakes for cayennes are kinda low, plus the airboxes need to be sealed, they really need a snorkel to make it through deepish water
technique not snorkel
Hopefully this tragedy will help extend this fun to watch video series.
3 Episodes left Ron ! Tune in next Thursday to watch the struggle to get the Yippie Cayenne home safe.
slow in and gently increased speed to form bow wave.....easily done though, and alot of us have been there
Ben did quite the opposite 😅
All of the Cayenne were V8's?
Nope JC the 995/957 Offered VR6 , V8, and TT V8 ! Plenty of options, checkout our Cayenne Buyer's Guide if you want allllll the info you could want on a Gen 1 Cayenne.
@@fcpeuro you guys had motivated to get one! 💪
@@starek1701 Once you get one, you know we've got your back!
And now the loom is all wet too..you’ll need to strip that and dry it out
Had to get that thing stripped and fans on immediately.
Its worse than that they need to strip out all the bare sonically welded copper connections in the floor that go right along the floor both sides of the car and upinto the dash and solder all the connections and then seal it all with liquid heatshrink otherwise your going to see massive electrical gremlins in the future And you need to get it before all the copper wire turns black and is unsolderable.
You need to pull the carpets seats and interior and solder all the bare copper wire splices (wrapped in cloth tape in the floor from porsche/VW) and solder all the connections (theres a shit ton of them) then seal with liquid heatshink and heatshrink otherwise a future episode is going to be wondering why you have electrical gremlins and codes all over the shop...
Solder on a Car? Are you the Devil?
No VW is the devil. The factory connections are sonically welded bare copper wrapped in fabric tape. What do you think happens when that gets wet? (and it will one way or the other eventually). Solder is a million times better than that and theres no way these connections will ever break because they are in bundles of wires well over an inch in diameter with extra wire there so theres no pull or delfection on them whatsoever as long as you tape them into the bundle right. In the engine bay yeah it would be a bad idea in the interior of the car with this bundle of wire under thick foam carpet its perfectly fine and imo one of the better methods of fixing the issue. The only other way is fully sealable crimp splices which imo will be a bigger mess than this and just a pain in the but to do due to all the different diameter wire you need to repair in there.
Hackett Gulch!
😳🤫Nate! haha
@@fcpeuro I got excited because I recognized the trail. Kudos to you for making it that far in the Cayenne. Good stuff.
@@natebillings2682 we hope to come back for redemption next year!
How are you going to get it back out? Helicopter crane? Or are you going to backpack in with tools and a spare Cayenne engine? 🤣
We'd be lying if we said a helicopter didnt come to mind , seeing as no recovery service was able or willing to get out there. Tune in next Thursday though to see what the team did to try and salvage our beloved 957!
@@fcpeuro Oh, I'll be watching! You guys just need to find someone with a Chinook or Sikorsky skycrane. 😁
@@fcpeuro Matt's offroad recovery and his buddies would probably take a crack at it. This doesn't seem to be as bad as the access they had to the golden nugget recovery.
@@Silver_o We wish we had thought faster on that, they were about 9 hours away but would dhave been an interesting little channel collaboration. Missed opportunity there.
@@fcpeuro this is the best series ive seen YET online. Its like EVEL and snake river canyon suspense!
You drove into the water way too fast. That alone could have gotten you into trouble.
At the end of the day everyone was safe, so that's all that counts.
Went in WAYYY too hot no doubt Sunset Ride. Like you said everyone was safe, and lessons learned.
@@fcpeuro We've all been there. The only times we should stress over something is if someone got hurt or is about to get hurt. If not then it is just a car at the end of the day, as much as we all love cars. Don't let that keep you from having fun in the future.
09:10
"This may be the last time we see the Cayenne..."
keyword there "MAY" !
Well, at least you had a tent to sleep in
Lemonade out of Lemons Omer , Lemonde! May not have been mobile, but atleast it remained a livable space 😂
Time for a 🤿
Couldnt agree more Mike... the dual snorkel is in the works after this one.
Damnnn shit happens
That BLOWS. I'm sorry. It's a terrible feeling, having a dead motor on a car you love that you just got.
Quite literally blows... or bends? Unfortunate reality of project's they can come and go at any time. Yippie Cayenne will bounce back!
Dude, that sucks! So sorry.
Oh well chin up.....u win sum u lose sum
River : 1 Yippie Cayenne: 0
As someone who has done a LOT of off-roading in the Rockies, Montana/Idaho/Wyoming in my modified Land Rover Discovery 2, I can tell you that you entered the water WAY TOO FAST. That was it. I don't see any raised air intake so probably just stock airbox/inlet. Don't be so down... chalk it up to bad beginner's luck, lack of proper knowledge and experience.
100% the case Ben knew it immediately, poor judgement and lack of slowing things down to properly execute the crossing. The stock intakes missing the factory shroud did not help the situation at all either ^.^ Live and Learn thats for sure
Why did you go in so fast??? ugh.
We all asked Ben the same thing 🤣 Just needed to dip his toes in slowwwllly and get through without making a splash.
OOF
100% OOF Kyle...
Hahahahah..................
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To be fair, these German SUVs can barely take the stress from speed bumps around town. You bump a curb in a 4motion Tiguan and the front end needs to be rebuilt.
Comparing an MQB (Golf/Jetta) based Tiguan to a Cayenne is silly
@@SteveBassen probably but let's be honest, German cars are DELICATE. I love German cars but I know what they are are aren't
@@billybarty100 the Cayenne/Touareg/Q7 platform is not delicate. The guy pushed the vehicle too far. Just the fact it got to that water feature is testament alone.
If a german wants to get serious about offroad they should look to landrover, which has a lot of german content. ZF tans, wabco, bmw engines in some, bosch systems..... In the classic it has as its heart a 1962 pontiac all alum motor- 3.9/4.2. But the days of $2000 dream classics may be gone until gas goes above $6..
Sometimes I wonder why are you doing things ur capable of doing . Maybe u should walk more then drive . Hydro lock on ford lesson one. Kill a cayenne lol u just don’t know it’s capabilities.
We've suggested to Ben taking up biking and running. To his defense the Ford was Flood situation impossible to avoid, this one.... is on him 😂