Why I won't carry the CZ Shadow 2 Compact.
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The CZ Shadow 2 Compact is a very nicely made handgun, but it has some design features that make me not want to carry it. I break down why I prefer the CZ P01 Compact to the new CZ Shadow 2 Compact.
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“I haven’t spoken to anyone at CZ, they don’t talk to me anymore” 😆 😂 🤣
Since Colt took over CZ USA, they pretty much run the marketing and PR now.
@@ChaohsiangChenColt stands for Cancer
@@ChaohsiangChen I think you have that relationship back to front. From the Colt CZ Group Wikipedia article: "On 11 February 2021 the European company announced the acquisition of the Colt Holding Company (the parent company to the Colt's Manufacturing Company from the US) for $220 million, enabling further expansion into the U.S. market."
@enscroggs
Words from the attendees of 2024 shot show are that the Colt team replaced much of the original CZ USA crew. Colt was very good at politics, better than they are making guns.
@ChaonsiangChen
This aligns with what I’ve heard and seen too. Despite CZ buying Colt, Colt seems to be taking the lead on US operations. There are even S2C’s hitting peoples hands recently with CT (Colt HQ) roll marks as opposed to KS (CZ-USA HQ) roll marks.
Tip for CZ dis-assemble: if you put the hammer in half-cock you can then simply push the slide back and it will stop at the mark correctly for the cross pin to be pushed out.
Didn’t know that - thanks for sharing!
Thank you!!!
You beat me to the comment.😂
Bro. Thanks
Yup. Easy peasy.
I have carried the P07 for 3 years now. I really think it’s one of the best handguns out there
I love mine, I trust it with my life
Did you get it Cajunized?
Agreed! Certainly an overlooked handgun. It's also what I carry along with my pdp compact
@Lexman00 @JNOSNOW I just compared my p07 with stock internals to another one with a full Cajun trigger and my double action was way smoother just from shooting it a lot. The only noticeable difference was the shorter reset
@@Lexman00 I cajunized my P01 and the trigger return spring gave out after about 1k rounds. I'd just leave it stock tbh.
Mac is the only channel on TH-cam that makes a video on a topic that is a half hour long with the first 25 minutes rambling about stuff not related to the video title.
1) A "half hour" is 30 minutes. Because I have eyeballs, I can see this video is 26 minutes 38 seconds long.
2) Just to entertain your statement, I clocked the 25 minute mark to check if he does state why he won't carry this gun, in the last minute and 38 seconds. He doesn't. He goes into his outro.
So I'm going to assume you are just impatient and rude.
MAC the staccato doesn’t have a firing pin block either, and you carried that.
Yeah I don't get it lost me AZ a fan goodnight
That’s because he needed something sensationalist to make a video about
Don’t bring up the 1911 with him, he will probably say that he loves the platform, but there are more modern guns that have replaced it’s purpose. That answer sort of addresses the inconsistency, but doesn’t address why he hasn’t brought up the same issue specifically with the 1911. He will probably answer by not answering the question.
@@generallobster Maybe he would carry a series 80 gun, but not a series 70. Then again, are all of the Staccato pistols basically series 70 in terms of lacking a firing pin plunger? I think he has more confidence in an extended one sided manual safety as well over an ambidextrous one. And he is not a fan of a safety on a double action gun, especially when it doesn't even have a decocker.
You’re comparing apples to oranges
Any 1911/2011 carried as designed (cocked and locked) have a pretty well thought out lock work that prevents the hammer from falling and actually reaching the firing pin without both that frame and grip safety being disengaged and trigger being pressed.
I don't remember where I heard, but the Shadow 2 Compact is not replacing the P-01. Just like the Shadow 2 didn't replace the SP-01.
It's a shame they discontinued the P01 Omega though, that thing is nice.
P01 is a NATO pistol. Not going anywhere and its a CZ OG like the 75 now
@cavalieroutdoors6036
Yeah the omega were the best but the bad part was that their safety would fall out of the gun. I also got mad that the safety was so floppy and weak stock
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 Fantastic pistol.
I started my CC journey about 6 years ago. Your original PO-1 video is what i loved. Ive since carried other stiker fired guns and have had a good experience but always reverted back to the po1. Its perfect.
Your argument against the Shadow is the same argument that all 1911s should be Series 80 models. No thanks. Series 70 1911s are just fine and perfectly safe.
And his "laziness" counterargument is simply false. There is no "engineering" that will make a Series 80 trigger as good as a Series 70. Pretravel or creep is inherent / required for Series 80 function. In terms of equalizing pull weight, the alternatives (lighten the sear spring and/or change sear geometry, increasing likelihood of ND; or lighten the trigger spring further, increasing likelihood of failure to reset) are much worse than the risks with a Series 70.
Series 70 is for the range, series 80 is for carry. You would have heard him say that if you watched the video
@otterconnor942 yet, he admitted he carried a Staccato all winter, which is series 70 😅
@@JohnOgren Doubt he did that appendix though.
It's my "job"... that's a hobby.
Yeah...this is BS. I've talked to the gunsmiths at Cajun Gun Works, and they cracked up when I mentioned this as an "issue" for not carrying the Shadow 2 (compact or full size). Bottom line is it takes a tremendous amount of force to break the hammer, safety, or sear on these. A ton more force than any drop can do. They said you can take a hammer and beat on a fully cocked hammer and that thing still won't break (easily anyway). So if drops are your concern for carry safety, you're fine with this. Even with the safety off, and you drop it, you have to break the sear for the hammer to make contact with the pin...which is also super strong. If you're worried about breaking that many things before the gun fires, you're sorta worrying about the wrong safety aspects of carry.
The only thing I will agree with him about the Shadow 2 is that the safety is REALLY mushy. I don't know if that can be fixed, but I'd be interested in having someone make it more tactile, like a 1911.
But yeah, if you carry a Glock and you complain about the ineffectiveness of safeties on other guns, I don't know what to tell you.
Yup you right
@@theodorehunter4765 Cajun offers a stiffer detent plunger and spring that provide a more positive detent.
CZ should Thank Cajun Gun Works for making their "Rough Around The Edges Pistols" really Top Notch Firearms! It's amazing how many Quality Control Issues CZ Pistols have when they leave the factory. And I'm quoting Cajun Gun Works David Millan!
@@TheGV50hes obviously going to say that to encourage customers to buy his after market parts for more than just lighter springs and refined hammer.
Less than 10 years ago most CZs were considered cheap eastern European guns.
MAC: I don't like changing parts
1 minute later MAC: I changed the trigger on my CZ
You left out the other half, I don’t like changing parts on $3500 handguns.
And CGW trigger kit is like 70 plus change in 2024.
@@ChaohsiangChen They're not expensive, and I had Cajun in stall it. With a high end 1911, the internal parts are properly hand fit by the factory. To get another trigger in it, I would want Staccato to do it so it's properly fit... but that could take forever, assuming they would even do it.
@@Militaryarmschannelstop fighting 🥺 please
Modifying an expensive gun for competition use is my favorite part of gun owning
Totally agree. P01 is a fantastic option.
This is why i carry unchambered, no mag, slide tucked in my boot
Is that a true/honest comment or r u just a fool?
@@davidbunney3497tf do you think
Such a wise carry option but the even more safer carry option is to carry a Cannon safe with a biometric/combination/keyed lock with a chamber flag lock in the safe. I've never had an ND for the many years I've been carying. Don't forget that Cannon offers an NRA member discount, God bless
Just turn your gun in to the atf. That's the safest carry method.
I hope you have the spring tucked in your other boot. Can't be too safe.
I bought a PO1 Omega used for $470, which turns out was sent to CZ for custom shop work, appears the sights and some sorta trigger work. Probably been the best sub $500 gun purchase ever.
The firing pin block/drop safe issue has been debunked already. There are videos on here where czarmorer hammers the hammer (literally) trying to get a primer strike and he couldn't even get it to dent. Shadow 2's are drop safe as long as you don't run an extended firing pin. Per the user manual you should carry half cocked no safety
Incorrect. All marketing and damage control. Sir Isaac Newton confirmed many years ago that, absent a physical barrier, that gun will absolutely fire if stuck from the correct angle. In the published tests the hammers and sears didn't break. I'm the real world, hammers and sears can break, and it could be yours that does.
@@officerdailey but it hasnt happened, youre telling this guy hes incorrect based on youre opinion of what COULD happen. people have LITERALLY smacked the ass end of shadow 2s and nothing has happened.......youd have a higher likelihood of loading a factory double charged round, are you going to go weight each and ever round based on what COULD happen?
If you cannot get it to fire after hammering on it directly. Then mechanically it is perfectly safe. Though I do agree with Mac that the engineering looks lazy aka streamlined.
@@officerdaileystaccatos dont have a firing pin block either...and many LEOs carry those as well after vigorous testing.
No thanks!
P01 has been my EDC since you first recommended it years ago. Still my favorite. Back up is a Cajunized CZ P07.
There is a video called "Shadow 2 Compact - Drop Safe?" the guy hammers on the hammer (seemingly with the hammer all the way down) and it doesn't even touch the primer. Then he put in an extended firing pin and repeated the test, it made contacted with the primer. So as long as you don't put an extended firing pin in, it's drop safe.
its actually hilarious people will go and spend 1300-2000 on a pistol and have no fucking clue what makes it safe/unsafe. listening to internet rumors instead of watching a guy smack it with a hammer and nothing happening.
@theredexpresss6629 Exactly, as evidenced by sp many of the clueless posters here who actually think this is some sort of "cost cutting" by CZ.
Came here to say the same thing. I saw that very same video and the dude really whacked that hammer hard and the firing pin did not touch the primer (w/ the factory firing pin. With the extended aftermarket ones, a whole different ballgame).
I watched the same one a bit ago. I was just to lazy to say something
I carry a CZ 75 Compact daily. I was in the LGS and saw it sitting there and just was instantly drawn to check it out. The moment I held it, I knew I had to buy it. It's at just over 1000 rounds without a single hiccup. It's a nail driver too, I just put rounds where I aim.
As always, great video Tim - Thanks! In terms of your carry preference, always wondered what happened to your P-01 and P-01 Omega. Despite all the newer offerings you visited/carried subsequently (both hammer and striker fired), it's nice to see your earlier P-01 carry criteria and decision still holds up.
Just bought a shadow 2 and compact this month. The compact has already replaced my staccato C2 for my concealed carry.
Staccato? Cz shadow compact? Carry? Hahaha somebody has to keep up with the Johnsons do we?
The hi point shoots the same round. I’m sure whatever it hits wouldn’t know what brand it came from 😂
There is no perfect handgun only opinion.
I made it quite clear in my video that this is my person preference. No one can tell you want you will like.
Hk P2000 in LEM is the perfect carry pistol.
@@K-bob_45I vote USP, I specifically got them because of the glove issue, but it depends if I carry them or the folding Glock due to absolute concealment.
@@K-bob_45😂
@@kevinmichael979see I live in the desert like Death Valley. Gloves are irrelevant. Personal preference also includes geographic location too.
I've been carrying a full size Shadow 2 for years. To each their own.
You have got to be rail thin to hide that. I have an S2 and would not dream of carrying it with any real confidence in it being "concealed". Hell, a P01 will print if I don't wear a hoodie.
Interesting and thank you. My wife was just handling one today and neither one of us can rack the slide easily because of the rails and the low profile of the slide. Osteoarthritis in the hands, can’t grip the real estate well enough. We did not disassemble the gun in the store, so it was good to see what you explained. She will continue to carry her Wilson Combat 1911 Professional. Best Regards
my dad has arthritis in his hands and cant rack the slide on a lot of guns either. We got it optics cut and put a red dot on it and now its got plenty of grip space to rack the slide.
I just picked up a cz75d compact PCR and absolutely love it and to echo your thoughts those are the same reasons I didn't buy the shadow 2 compact. Great video well explained.
Thanks for the info. Learnt something new. 👍
Great video, Tim, as always!! I too like my P-01. Maybe your next video down the road should be your optic choice, post slide cut on P-01.
I'm going to use a EPS or EPS Carry on the gun I believe. I'm into the close emitter RDS's.
Oof thank you for this! I was eyeing the Shadow 2 compact hard! You just saved me 600$! I’m going to the P01! 😁
This was helpful thank you!
Thank you for this insightful and important video.
The P01 is not half the price if you prefer to mount an optic. You have to send it out to get milled, then cerakote it, and then finally get an optimized trigger job.
Carried a lot of different options and have settled on the M&P 2.0 Compact, just the right fit for me
Best grip stippling on any pistol. I carry the 45Shield and that grip is SOLID even after shooting for an hour in Florida during the atmospheric soup they call "Summer".
@@cmkeelDIM heck yeah man, I fully agree
@@cmkeelDIMI walked outside in Miami and my skin felt like it was coated in a constant film of liquid, idk how yall do it
But yes, M&P is the best I’ve found
@@rl2862 Miami is different than the panhandle. It's not nearly as bad down there as up here. Up here the humidity hits 93% in late April or Early May and stays there until late September early October. It only excursion is to 99%. Miami gets less humidity than we do here.
Really great information, Thanks
Great info. Thank you!
Great video, I prefer metal frame guns as well. My current CCW is the Sig p229 Legion SAO.
P229 is hard to beat. Mine has tens of thousands of rounds. No hiccups except needing a new extractor spring and recoil springs.
A great metal gun. I have the p220 equinox. 320's are junk. They also don't even have a full size 45. It's pathetic.
@lancedooley7558 320's aren't junk, people just have no fucking clue what it's good at. It's a big bulky wannabe P226 that fails at mimicking it in most ways. That being said, it's phenomenal as a custom/target pistol. Virtually any build a handgun could have, you could replicate it and optimize it to the max. That being said, as a practical duty handgun, dogshit
@@Sig_P229the only complaint I’ve ever had with mine is how easy some of the springs are to accidentally bend when removing the one piece grips, but it’s literally a two dollar spring and five minutes of work to fix. 229s (especially now that optic slides are available) are just about perfect carry guns.
It's weird to me that they still haven't done a 75/P-07 compact that is optics ready and has a decocker. That would be my ideal handgun. Of course you can always send a 75 or P-07 slide off to get milled which is fine but it's an extra cost.
Great video, very well explained 😊
Thanks! I’ve been looking to see if it was worth the added cost for a carry pistol!
I totally agree. I would love to see a micro compact or even sub compact CZ 75 type, optic cut, DA/SA with decocker only and a light rail. That would be about the perfect carry gun for me.
You are describing the P-01 after an optic cut at a gunsmith.
@@TortillaChip521 More like a P-01 RAMI
Micro compact is too small for a traditional DA/SA mechanism
Did you say improved return of the 2075 RAMI?
@@detroitvseverybody3813 The S&W 380 Bodyguard with it's double action hammer or the single action CSX would beg to differ.
These are some of the same reasons I went back to carrying my made in Germany, two-tone Sig P228. By far the safest gun I own for daily carry, has great ergonomics, reliable, accurate & shoots amazingly well for a 30-year-old gun, and it looks great. RDS on a pistol is not necessary for me, so I'm good with my "old school" double action/single action Sig.
Too true
I agree with everything you said. I have a sp2022 in 40cal. It is a great gun but a little heavy for carrying. That's why I got a p250sc.
@@MrBigtom06 2022 and 250 NEVER got enough praise!
Love my 228.
@@michaelstjohn6086 I agree 100%.
I'm so glad I came across your video. I was literally heading to my gun store website to buy the Shadow 2 when I just happened to glance at my feed and saw the title of your video. I'll definitely be sticking with my p01.
Don't listen.
The points he made has already been completed debunked as false.
Especially about not being dropsafe.
Please make up your own mind. TH-camrs are not infallible just because they make good videos.
Great observations and another great video.
I carry a Jericho 941r.
It isnt the most comfortable to carry but i shoot it well as it is my favorite pistol. I say carry what you shoot best, but thats just my opinion
Same. I recently just went from a kimber k6s to a beretta 92x for carry. Harder and more uncomfy to carry but it’s like shooting a laser.
@@phantom4060something about the berettas that is exquisite perfection.
I don't necessarily carry what I shoot the best, bit I do have a minimum accuracy requirement for my carry pistols. Once a gun meets that threshold, then I can consider other things. Currently my go-to is a fist generation M&P 40. Barely squeaks by in the accuracy department, meets everything else I want in terms of capacity, reliability, and presence of an accessory rail.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 Yeah, I think it's always good to know what you are looking for in your carry gun
Love my 75 and P09. Accurate, reliable and just sexy!
The CZ P-01 is also my first choice for a compact DA/SA carry gun. If you spend the money you save over the Shadow 2 compact at Cajun Gun Works, you won't miss out on much. I did the same thing with an SP-01 Tactical after I already owned a Shadow 2 and was surprised at the results. It turned out to be an amazing shooter. I was able to install all of the parts myself too. My Dad loved it so much I had to give it to him, though, so I don't have it anymore.
You do an excellent job, at reviewing guns and sharing your knowledgable options.
this is why p01 omega still my best carry gun for me 😊😊
I carry a CZ PCR...love it.
Its so hard to find those 😢
The only thing that stopped me from buying a PCR is the P01 in my gun safe.
I love DA/SA, I’m just objectively faster out of the holster to first shot, or even out of the holster all the way up to 3 shots with a striker fired pistol.
It’s not a skill issue, I shot competition for years with a Beretta 92, even winning occasionally. A shorter, lighter trigger is always faster, and the first to put shots on target almost always wins the fight.
You and me both.
Same
Thank you for this video. Will you consider the CZ 75 Compact as a safe carry gun?
What you want is the CZ Custom PCR. Checks all the boxes you mentioned plus lighter, thinner, better trigger, decocker, upgraded sights. It has it all
A few years ago you put out a video stating the CZ P01 was your new choice for carry. Then you did a video on the LTT 92 compact. Two great options for sure!
No one has just one carry gun
Have a P01. Love it. I'd love to try a LTT 92. and a HK P30sk
There's a few TH-cam videos out there of guys banging the cz shadow 2 compact hammer with a mallet. They could not make the gun fire. The only time they could do that was when there was an extended firing pin. But with the stock firing pin they could not cause the round to go off. In addition, staccatos dont have a firing pin block either... so...with that being said I plan on carrying my shadow 2 compact, and probably buying a P01 as well and sending it to impact machine for red dot milling. Why not have both?
Murphy's Law? ✌️
@@andrewstromfeld312 that could apply to any firearm.
@@rcwarrior868 exactly my point... Murphy's Law ✌️
Great info and well presented.
You might want to consider putting the table-top disassemble segment into a TH-cam "short" style video, as that was the true heart of the explanation.
I also applaud you for mentioning the all to common problem with gloves and pistols.
I think every gun manufacturer other than HK thinks everybody lives in California.
Keep up the good work !
You highlighted one of my pet peeves of many holster manufacturers. A properly designed / manufactured holster for a 1911 should, imho, FORCE the safety up into the safe position when holstering the handgun...thus it is also impossible for the safety to ever be inadvertently disengaged while it is in the holster. It's something I always looked for when buying holsters for handguns with external manual safeties.
Well it’s DA too not SA only, so a holster that did this wouldn’t work for anyone running DA/SA
The holster I have did at one time, but as it's worn it no longer forces it into the locked position.
Interesting. What brands do you like? I'm carrying a 1911 when hiking in a Kenai chest holster and you can flip the safety off if you're not paying attention. It's a little different than urban/EDC but I'm curious what holsters are out there that do manipulate the safety.
Good points and let's reflect that 20 years ago G19 orG26 was a compact carry unless you wanted a 32acp.
I almost bought a DWX Compact it was more sleek and seemed lighter than the Shadow2 Compact and after a lot of thought I realized that I don't want to spend that much money on a pistol that will invariably get a lot of holster wear and summer humidity and I'm proficient with my other carry guns and I bought a full size DWX with an SRO for range use and couldn't be happier
I'd rather have a holster that flips the safety off upon drawing outward
Says it’s cheaper yet sends it to Cajun gun works. Carried a po1 for years switched to the sc2, won’t look back. Practice basic gun safety you’ll be fine.
The firing pin block was left out of the Shadow 2 and SPO1 models to enhance the trigger pull because they are competition models. It just carried over to the compact/carry model.
Great video Mac
I think it's a solid way of viewing what and why one would or would not carry a specific gun. From a safety standpoint, I think it's a solid argument, especially when we are talking about EDC and we all know, we have all gotten complacent at some time or another on something we shouldn't. Me personally, I carry striker fired pistols, but I do always make note to look at my holster when I intend to holster my gun, which imo, is the best thing you can do to make sure that trigger is clear until it's fully seated in the holster.
A few things to consider. I currently EDC the shadow 2 compact.
1). Even though the P01 is a "fraction" of the cost of the s2c, once you Cajunize it and add the optics cut the price will be around the same.
2) You only engage the safety in SA mode , not in half cock mode (as per CZ instructions).
3) To decock to half cock I put the edge of my thumb in front of the firing pin. Seems safer than the pinch method. It's not a big deal once you practice it some.
4) The reason CZ said they didn't add the firing pin block was to keep the trigger smooth. Same as the Shadow 2. Same as 1911s.
Good video. I agree s2c isn't for everyone. Regardless CZ guns are great.
This is the safest way unless you're a competition guy that has to be hammer down
Excellent food for thought on both platforms. Makes me appreciate my P-01 that much more.
@14:14 If the hammer is decocked, the take down marks will line up perfectly if you push the slide back until it touches the hammer.
I understand this video is intended to highlight IF you would carry a Shadow 2 compact. I completely agree with your decision to stick with the P01 for a carry as do a lot of people.
You absolutely had to know you were going to get called out for not even mentioning the P07.
No hate, MAC. I watch your videos for a reason.
I love my CZ Shadow 2 compact and it is my go to and daily carry. It's a bit thick but so am I. As far as the worry warts go, anything can happen and whatever you use it can malfunction. Stop the CZ hate! If you hold and shoot one you will love it! But if you are a nervous nelly, Carry a gun in a box, keep the mag in your glove compartment and the bullets in the box under the seat. Do you feel safe now???
I also own a CZ P-01, but with all the factors you laid out, I landed on the HK P2000 LEM. With the double action LEM trigger, you get the safety benefits of DA/SA with the same consistent trigger pull that you’d get on a striker fired gun. The P2000 is pretty lightweight, ergonomic and there’s no safety/decocker to get in the way. It’s an extremely reliable platform, and you can find quality used ones for $600. Very underrated, I think more people would like it if they knew about it.
DA/SA forever! Great info!
I have a CZ P-01 OMEGA, I had it optics cut for a Holosun 507k, and it is by far my favorite pistol to shoot and to carry. I have a Staccato C2 (no optics/ early model) I am far more accurate with that CZ, I'm sure mine was built on a weds. I wish they had not discontinued them! Now a base model P-01 is almost 800 bucks!
I bought a P01 Omega on a whim because I wanted a DA/SA pistol and Palmetto State had them on clearance for like $500. I just wanted a range toy, and ended up carrying it for over a year. That gun was seriously overlooked, it was so much better than I expected.
You can find a regular p-01 for 500-600 new online pretty easy. I believe family firearms currently has them in stock and are asking $550.
Last year CZ lowered the price on most of their handguns. The MSRP of the P01 is now $649 but can sometimes be found lower. The issue is availability since CZ imports these in "batches". Buyers need to jump on them when available.
Does CZ still make the P01 compact? I can’t seem to find it listed with the distributors? Great video, Thanks
I’ve gone through this same process with my carry options. Currently carrying the HK P30 with the LEM trigger. Have you tried this pistol? Trigger is not great and has no optic cut, but other than that it works.
Oh I can't wait to watch this. Because I want this as my carry gun
Yeah, I'm still getting it as my carry gun. All his reasons not to carry it don't dissuade me.
I bought one and carry it every single day and am completely in love with it. To each their own.
His criticisms of the safety lever are valid but the others are overblown. Manual decocking isn't an issue if your IQ is above room temperature. The lack of a firing pin block is semi valid but others have tested this exact model and have shown it won't go off even if you dropped it straight onto the muzzle.
Look up the video "Shadow 2 Compact - Drop Safe?" so long as you don't swap the firing pin with an extended one you should be good.
@@InkwellFoto He wasn't trying to dissuade you. He was talking about his decision.
Getting a P01 this week!
You'll love it. My daily carry.
@@outdoorinwithzach Thanks i carry the Sig P229 SAS now but its a little on the heavy side its in a 40 sw
You will LOVE LoVE LOVE the P01. ( mic drop...)
I carry the CZ-P07 which I really like for all of the reasons you mentioned regarding your CZ-P01. The only part of the gun I'm somewhat concerned about is the slide stop. I've heard they have a tendency to break and should be replaced after so many rounds fired. I have a little over 3000 through mine and no problems so far. Any thoughts?
Thanks Tim for another in-depth review. I saw a few other videos from other TH-camrs and some failed to mention the firing pin block safety and a couple actually said it had a firing pin block safety, which clearly tells me they never broke the gun down and inspected it. Anyway thanks again from a long time subscriber 👍.
You’ve convinced me that Cz P01 compact is a great pistol!
It is a Fantastic gun. Accurate, reliable, ergonomic.. Range, bedside, EDC. (Mic drop ....)
As much as I love CZs, I still believe that the Beretta PX4 Storm is the superior pistol. I carry a unmodified PX4 Storm Compact Type G in 9mm every day and it just works great for me.
For DA/SA an LTT CC px4 is magic, also the p229 with SRT
@@TheRancor53 I have both 229 226 with srt, is the Px4 really that good? I have wanted a reason to get one for a long time! help a guy out lol
Great pistol since you love the rotating barrel design. You should try a Grand Power K100 or Q100. You don't need to modify anything on their triggers.
I bounce back and forth between a px4 sub-c and a g43 depending on clothing. Great little gun that gives bulldog vibes
@@michaelstjohn6086 SRT is amazing, but the px4 ltt trigger bar reset is insanely short, doesn’t even need a match hammer like the 92 to get that nice click. SIGs are definitely better when it comes to holster and aftermarket accessories, PX4s are still orphans 😜
Thank you. Excellent evaluation.
When you refer
To the CZ 75 P01 compact
Is it
The same as the CZ 75 P01
Definitely have to agree with you on the passive pin safety after just learning about the passive it from you and thank you for that knowledge.
I haven’t watched the video yet but I guarantee he whines about the lack of FPB . Why is everyone so hung up on this . As long as you don’t add a extended firing pin your good. There are a ton of videos that prove it. I hope I’m wrong and he actually has a legitimate reason to knock the shadow 2 compact.
These videos are important because they are sending a message to the manufacturer what can/should be improved upon. TH-camrs like MAC are basically doing modern journalist's work.
Except there's nothing for cz to improve upon because this gun is not a P01, it's a Shadow 2 and it's design as intended.
This is the correct answer. Mac is wrong, i hope he has the humility to admit it. I have issued a challenge by way of experiment which as an American youtuber should be very easy: Make a Shadow2/base75 fire a primed case by dropping it.
Spoiler alert: you'll never get it right.
@@whiskeyactual. So it's a shitty design?
This video puts in question MAC. I think he was super premature on his analysis of it as a carry gun because this gun is absolutely phenomenal, but generally, I love his videos.
You make some very well thought out points.
I love my P01 UG but I like you wanted a reddot. I ordered an optics plate from CZ custom that replaced the rear sight. Haven't put a ton of rounds through it with the plate. Maybe 400-600, but set screws for the plate haven't worked loose and seem to be holding up well so far.
On thing - yeah the P01 is $600 for the gun
$180 for an optics cut from primary arms
CGW trigger kit $300
Now it’s the same price as the Shadow 2 compact. I shoot the full size in competition but will skip the compact. The complaints re: it having a safety is silly and yeah the lack of FP safety is due trigger feel. They weren’t trying to recreate the P01.
Thank God someone said it. I thought about all these points when CZ brought it out. Bring it a P05. Da/SA micro compact red Dot capable. Sit back. Collect cash. If CZ won't do it someone else please make a clone
Great review Mac
Awesome review. Greatly appreciated. Keep up posting awesome posts like this!
I absolutely never got why people thought ambi safety is a benefit. For stated reasons. I made sure my 1911 didn’t have one.
Because some of us practice shooting both right and left handed, and left handed people exist. The ambidextrous safety on my 1911s have never bothered me.
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 booo!!
Same for ambi mag releases, epically on rifles that don't fence it
@@Nathan-jh1ho oh yeah. One of my retired carries, has an ambi mag release. The inside one is gated by my holster. The outside one would be pressed by my seatbelt clasp and eject my mag into the crevice between the seat and center console. NOT A FAN of that. 😂. Imagine jumping out of your vehicle and have no mag in your carry. 😳
@@cavalieroutdoors6036 many pistols allow you to flip the mag release.
not carrying a handgun cause the sear could break off honestly sounds insane to me, ive never even heard of someone else hearing thats happened to anyone they know. the hammer touching the firing pin is the only way a round is going off, many have done tests smacking the back of these things and none of them go off. fitting a 1911 safety is hilariously easy so you can carry the staccato.
TH-cam has two videos where the 75 full size was dropped in a competition at an indoor range. Hit the concrete and they both went off. I couldn't tell if it hit muzzle first or hammer but one of them put the projectile in the ceiling so I assume it landed Hammer first?
Those were customized guns with extended firing pins, not a stock gun.
@@Cummins-mm6rp extended firing pins which is a common mod for competition shooters but 100% not stock guns
@@theredexpresss6629 2 old men at what appeared to be a local club, walking from stage to stage, wearing a photographers vest, i've never seen a pro competitor drop his gun unless he hit the ground. I would be surprised if they were molded guns
@Cummins-mm6rp youd be surprised at how many "old men" have modified guns at matches and I'd venture to say that the vests you speak of are cover garments to meet the rules for idpa.
Hey, could you do a video on the Adams P2 aars vs Ruger Sfar vs POF Rogue di vs POF Revolution piston?
I would really love to know which one of the new small frame .308 rifles is best, or best for your money.
For the added safety, I install the LTT striker control device (it allows you to put your thumb on the back of the slide while holstering and prevents the striker from moving even if the trigger gets depressed) on all my EDC Glocks. It's easy to install and use. And it doesn't interfere with the operation of your pistol.
MAC; The 1911 has an inertial firing pin; meaning the pin is shorter than its channel. So, hammer down all the way does not make the firing pin protrude past the breechface. If the Shadow compact V2 has an inertial firing pin, then the concern about having the hammer down resting on the firing pin goes away, completely.
Check the CZ to see if it has an inertial firing pin. If it does not, then your concerns are valid.
it does, there are videos of people smacking them with hammers and nothing happens, internet rumor strikes again.
@@theredexpresss6629 Then MAC is tilting at windmills.
Hey TH-cam gun tubers. Please for God sake base your opinions off your own testing and not Internet lore. It’s amazing how many of the tubers are saying the same thing about this pistol
The shadow 2 compact is still way safer than a glock and a p320. Idk why everyone makes such a big fuss about the firing pin block and then carry series 70 1911s. I get the complaint, but it's coming from people who use much more dangerous guns.
For the Staccato....the tenicor aiwb holsters cover the srtong side safety and with about 10 seconds and a heat gun i modded my holster. Now it will apply the safety if i try and reholster if it's off and i can't apply enough pressure to turn it off if it's in the holster.
MAC, whom do you plan to have your P-01 slide milled by? Optic to be used? Thanks.
I was having trouble seeing why a compact competition gun made any sense. If competing just go full size, if concealed carrying just get the P01 for half the price. Glad this video addressed this as I kind of thought I was the only one.
Nothing wrong with concealing this gun. It's geared towards carrying.
@@weezem That’s fine if you want to do it, I just wouldn’t.
I love the P0 one and the shadow two compact. However, performance wise there is just no comparison only and almost as good realization.
This very useful information thank you mac. Is there any berreta 92 compacts that you would carry or are they all too big?
As I came across this video, my Shadow 2 compact was nestled safely on my hip. It is my favorite carry gun. I also have a P-01. By the time I paid for the optic cut, Cajun trigger parts, front sight to co-witness and a porting job, I had more money in it than I paid for my Shadow 2 compact. I use a Shadow 2 in competition, so holding the hammer between my thumb and index finger to lower it is something I was already very practiced at. Being so used to the grip of the Shadow 2, I found the slightly different size and shape of the P-01 grip much less to my liking. I have the same slide-stop thumb rest on both Shadows. I carry the compact with the hammer half-cocked and no worries, as I have watched several people hammer on their hammer without breaking the the sear or getting it to drop as well as drop testing from shoulder height to a concrete floor. I have never found the skinny safety levers engaged when carrying, though I did install an extra power safety spring in both Shadows. I can respect your choices, but am happy with mine as well.
As someone who owns one of these here is my opinion.
The lack of a firing pin block is a non issue for me. Carry it with the hammer down at half cock. The hammer isnt touching the firing pin and its already been tested and proven that the firing pin doesnt have the mass/inertia to ignite a primer if its dropped even in perfect drop conditions (straight down onto the muzzle).If you do manage to drop it directly on the hammer and the sear "breaks," that breakage alone would absorb a significant amount of energy leaving very little to be transferred to the firing pin.
The safety lever concerns are valid but fixable. There is a detent but the spring is weak. You can get a stiffer spring and fix that issue. A regular cz75 safety detent spring will do. I think they made it weaker because of how low profile the lever is. You can also get a regular size safety lever. Yeah its not optimal to be "fixing" things that shouldnt need fixing but it is what it is.
The decocking thing is overblown. Yes there is a chance for an ND but I'm not making a sandwich when i do it. The same way i have the gun pointed in a safe direction as I'm chambering it, I can safely lower the hammer with full awareness that the gun is loaded. Firmly hold the hammer and lower it. Its not brain surgery. Unless you have the finger strength of a toddler you have little to worry about.
Don't forget to buy some trigger return springs (the only reason I haven't bought a hammer fire Cz)
Wrong
you can convince yourself of anything, that's fine.....
way to much fumbling, I'll pass, there are much better choices, good luck!
@@southtownsjoe32 correct
Still, having to carefully go from full to half cock EVERY time you first chamber a round to carry is such a massive invitation for complacency and an eventual mistake. I agree the other concerns are negligible or likely even impossible, but having a mechanical decocker eliminates hundreds if not thousands of improbable dice rolls
I wish you'd have put this video out two days ago because I literally just bought the Shadow 2 Compact lol
No biggie because I love the platform and will still enjoy it I am sure!
You'll love the pistol, they're extremely nice.
its dropsafe, unless you throw it at the ground hard enough to break a sear and you had it on half cock which ive never heard happening before.
Great info. I was thinking I wanted one, but I'm with you on the decocker VS safety and DA/SA. Looks like I'll get the cheaper one!
Excelente explicación. Enhorabuena por el vídeo. Saludos desde España
P07 for me, I’ve been happy!
Hello fellow CZ P07 conceal carry
Carried a P07 for a long time and was my first ever gun purchased. No complaints from me either
I'm with you. Give me a decocker. I don't understand why CZ, of all the gun manufacturers, is not putting optics cuts on their firearms yet. It's a PITA to have to send them out for cutting, and it adds a significant amount to the price of the gun.