Damn that’s quite a finding, who’d have thought placing where it’s supposed to go would make such a difference 😄 I’ve always done it the first way round too so now I’m gonna change it 🤦🏻♂️
You need to chuck the feeder in the tank full off water with force, as a lot of the time the feeders lose a lot of pellets/groundbait on impact, so you need to be really put the pressure on so you don't lose most of the feed. Finding a soft supple line also helps, like prestons Reflo Power, i find middy low viz is quite supple too, or braid if allowed.
It is a pretty good presentation ! In fact where casting with a strong force, deeper water, especially with present of many small fish, it will vary a lot. Thank you Den ❤
Thanks Peter. I did think about braid hooklengths but, personally, I don't use them and they are banned in many UK waters where most of my viewers live. As a guess the softness of the material would allow the hooklength to sit inside the feeder without being pulled out so easily.
Den have you seen the new feeder that Map have released? Available from April onwards. Has a little bit of split rubber at the bottom of the feeder. Holds your hook link in place, until the fish takes the bait. I think it's going to be a game changer, less fiddly than the guru one and line clip. Especially those of us that can be a bit fingers and thumbs...Or is that just me... Great video thanks for all your help 👍
Nice illustration Den, I use a supple hook link to help it not spring off but I will try loading my feeders as you did at the end of the trial hopefully will improve my catch rate. Thanks for that Den.
Hi Den, I use the method feeder a lot, always wondered how the bait presents... well thank you for the detailed video. We have a lot of snow at the moment, ( you must remember the white stuff from heaven ) but hopefully soon be out on the water again, looking forward to testing your way of filling the feeder, might be an answer to the line bites. Thanks Den, take it steady on your recovery.
Food for thought and I'll be doing it differently now. One thing with putting the bait/hook onto the feeder is the danger of the hook catching on the feeder. Smaller hooks as you use may help here but 12's and 10's as I sometimes use sometimes come back hooked to the feeder. The feeders with definite space/platform for bait help here as do hybrid/banjo types. Shorter hook lengths will be even springier. I tend to use a split ring on my hook lengths to help combat the line spring. One place I fish bans Method feeders (quite rightly in this case) because of the Catfish which can ingest the whole rig.
You're right Colin. There is a possibility of the hook catching in the Feeder. That's why in my own 3D Printed Feeders, I don't make the hollow hoops. My hoops are all solid. I was using the manufactured feeders in the demo because that is what most anglers will have. All of my own feeders are homemade 3D Printed versions and they are quite a bit larger. That leaves me more space for larger hooks and longer hairs if I need them. You're also correct about Hybrid Feeders. They do overcome the issue of hook hang ups.😁👍
@@FishingwithDen It would be interesting to see if a double loaded Method feeder dispersed its contents enough for the bait to still sit in it as it falls off. From other underwater videos of hybrid feeders keeping the bait in/on the feeder i.e. bait covered by ground-bait rather than on top seems paramount.
Great vid Den ! Many have flung on the market methods with hinges and stuff. The latest being MAP Embed with rounded bottom and stuff (conic bottom holes that in theory loosen the groundbait out when touching the bottom but the highest water pressure is on impact), it seems deeply flawed until tested by real anglers. As for line springiness, try other brands or hinge (quick change beads sitting out of the method tube properly aligned work for me, also with a bigger loop on the hooklength so that the spring part is not the double line of the loop).
Hi Ovidiu. Another viewer just mentioned the new MAP feeder. I gather you are not impressed by it. As for the line springiness, I thought I mentioned the fact that a quick change bead would help. maybe I didn't explain it right?
@@FishingwithDen About the MAP I am not impressed from design and what I have seen on the internet. They are not out on the market yet, at least not outside UK. You are right about the quick change but I have not explained correctly myself :). A quickchange that almost pinches the line of the loop, setting the whole hooklenght backwards towards the method from the start :).
And another hack that I have seen is cutting a thin notch on the lip of the method feeder, sliding a small float stopper on the hooklength about halfway and jamming the stopper in the notch.
Very interesting Den, I have the guru mould and feeders so it was good to see the breakdown using these, the ground bait you are using is it your own made up ground bait
Very interesting. I've noticed one or two uk experts are using 3 inch hook lengths, not the usual 4 inch. Perhaps that's to address the issue with the line springing out the bait from the feeder. I've just had a thought about this, and perhaps amnesia clear memory free line might be an effective hook length material if braid isn't allowed. I seem to recall it's available in 6 and 8 lb clear. Food for thought, perhaps.
I do too Paul. I used the 4" to demonstrate, because that has traditionally been the length a lot of people use. As I mentioned below, I think there's lots of room for more experimenting on this one mate. As for the stitches, we have to have annual skin cancer checks down here because of the UV light. The Doctor thought I might have the beginnings of a Basal Cell Carcinoma, so after originally taking a Biopsy, which came back as unclear, he cut further into my back to ensure that he removed any possible cancer cells. I got the stitches out this morning and luckily, all is good. Thanks for asking.👍👍
I have never used a method feeder, but don't you find that with sweetcorn, the bait is partially crushed and tends to come off the hook? Good news all is OK with your back, a common problem in Australia unfortunately.
That used to be something I worried about too Christopher, but I use it on a Hair Rig and it seems to survive OK. As for my back, yes, it is a very common thing down here, but its better to be sure I suppose.
Went fishing with two mates in the cold and snow (we must be mad) Caught a decent Roach and a Goldfish on the 3d printed feeder with a Fjuka pop up. I have not always had a lot of luck with the moulds and hand tighten my mix. I always put a base mix and then my bait in the middle then a top mix over that. Was nice to see it in action as you can only hope it is well presented? Hope the stiches are out soon.
@@FishingwithDen Sure was! The snow was right in our faces. After we packed up and had a chat we looked at the third lake it was surrounded by trees and sheltered Doh!
Damn that’s quite a finding, who’d have thought placing where it’s supposed to go would make such a difference 😄 I’ve always done it the first way round too so now I’m gonna change it 🤦🏻♂️
You need to chuck the feeder in the tank full off water with force, as a lot of the time the feeders lose a lot of pellets/groundbait on impact, so you need to be really put the pressure on so you don't lose most of the feed. Finding a soft supple line also helps, like prestons Reflo Power, i find middy low viz is quite supple too, or braid if allowed.
Very interesting results Den. Thank you for taking the time to share your test results.
Thanks Den. Interesting to see.
The guru moulds are perfect for the Drennan method feeders.
Nice video.
It is a pretty good presentation ! In fact where casting with a strong force, deeper water, especially with present of many small fish, it will vary a lot. Thank you Den ❤
You can use 0.10-0.12 braid for hook length if it is allowed. Have a speedy recovery Den!
Thanks den that was a good demo which I will put into practice myself
Cheers John. I'm glad it helped mate.
👍👍 Hope you're healing well Den.
No worries mate. I got the stitches out this morning. All good on the lab tests too. Thanks for asking.👍👍
Excellent! Very well presented Den, thanks.
Thanks Den, maybe a repeat test but with braid hook lengths.
Pete
Thanks Peter. I did think about braid hooklengths but, personally, I don't use them and they are banned in many UK waters where most of my viewers live. As a guess the softness of the material would allow the hooklength to sit inside the feeder without being pulled out so easily.
Very helpfull Den. Thnx.
Den have you seen the new feeder that Map have released? Available from April onwards. Has a little bit of split rubber at the bottom of the feeder. Holds your hook link in place, until the fish takes the bait.
I think it's going to be a game changer, less fiddly than the guru one and line clip. Especially those of us that can be a bit fingers and thumbs...Or is that just me... Great video thanks for all your help 👍
I haven't seen it peter. I'll have a quick search.
they look the dogs danglies bits .👍👍🎣🎣
Korum camo interchangeable range employ a similar feature (also on their grub feeders)
Nice illustration Den, I use a supple hook link to help it not spring off but I will try loading my feeders as you did at the end of the trial hopefully will improve my catch rate. Thanks for that Den.
No worries terry. I'm glad my video helped.
Thanks
Many thanks Robert. Much appreciated.
Great video. After watching the Guru underwater video last night as well I think I need to re-visit my tank testing this weekend before my next match.
Thanks Mike. I just watched that one too. I think both videos provide us with a lot of food for thought.
Hi Den, I use the method feeder a lot, always wondered how the bait presents... well thank you for the detailed video. We have a lot of snow at the moment, ( you must remember the white stuff from heaven ) but hopefully soon be out on the water again, looking forward to testing your way of filling the feeder, might be an answer to the line bites. Thanks Den, take it steady on your recovery.
Thanks Mike.
Food for thought and I'll be doing it differently now. One thing with putting the bait/hook onto the feeder is the danger of the hook catching on the feeder. Smaller hooks as you use may help here but 12's and 10's as I sometimes use sometimes come back hooked to the feeder. The feeders with definite space/platform for bait help here as do hybrid/banjo types. Shorter hook lengths will be even springier. I tend to use a split ring on my hook lengths to help combat the line spring. One place I fish bans Method feeders (quite rightly in this case) because of the Catfish which can ingest the whole rig.
You're right Colin. There is a possibility of the hook catching in the Feeder. That's why in my own 3D Printed Feeders, I don't make the hollow hoops. My hoops are all solid. I was using the manufactured feeders in the demo because that is what most anglers will have. All of my own feeders are homemade 3D Printed versions and they are quite a bit larger. That leaves me more space for larger hooks and longer hairs if I need them. You're also correct about Hybrid Feeders. They do overcome the issue of hook hang ups.😁👍
@@FishingwithDen It would be interesting to see if a double loaded Method feeder dispersed its contents enough for the bait to still sit in it as it falls off. From other underwater videos of hybrid feeders keeping the bait in/on the feeder i.e. bait covered by ground-bait rather than on top seems paramount.
Great vid Den ! Many have flung on the market methods with hinges and stuff. The latest being MAP Embed with rounded bottom and stuff (conic bottom holes that in theory loosen the groundbait out when touching the bottom but the highest water pressure is on impact), it seems deeply flawed until tested by real anglers. As for line springiness, try other brands or hinge (quick change beads sitting out of the method tube properly aligned work for me, also with a bigger loop on the hooklength so that the spring part is not the double line of the loop).
Hi Ovidiu. Another viewer just mentioned the new MAP feeder. I gather you are not impressed by it. As for the line springiness, I thought I mentioned the fact that a quick change bead would help. maybe I didn't explain it right?
@@FishingwithDen About the MAP I am not impressed from design and what I have seen on the internet. They are not out on the market yet, at least not outside UK. You are right about the quick change but I have not explained correctly myself :). A quickchange that almost pinches the line of the loop, setting the whole hooklenght backwards towards the method from the start :).
And another hack that I have seen is cutting a thin notch on the lip of the method feeder, sliding a small float stopper on the hooklength about halfway and jamming the stopper in the notch.
@@loursb Ah yes. I see what you're saying now Ovidiu.
Very interesting Den, I have the guru mould and feeders so it was good to see the breakdown using these, the ground bait you are using is it your own made up ground bait
Yes it was was my own mix Robert.
Very interesting. I've noticed one or two uk experts are using 3 inch hook lengths, not the usual 4 inch. Perhaps that's to address the issue with the line springing out the bait from the feeder.
I've just had a thought about this, and perhaps amnesia clear memory free line might be an effective hook length material if braid isn't allowed. I seem to recall it's available in 6 and 8 lb clear. Food for thought, perhaps.
Thanks Russell. I think there's a lot of room for testing here mate. Hopefully, my video will inspire others to do their own tank tests.
Good to now Den !👍👋🐟
Thanks Danny.
We in uk sometimes use 2-3” hooklinks now. By the way Den why you got stitches in ya back ?
I do too Paul. I used the 4" to demonstrate, because that has traditionally been the length a lot of people use. As I mentioned below, I think there's lots of room for more experimenting on this one mate. As for the stitches, we have to have annual skin cancer checks down here because of the UV light. The Doctor thought I might have the beginnings of a Basal Cell Carcinoma, so after originally taking a Biopsy, which came back as unclear, he cut further into my back to ensure that he removed any possible cancer cells. I got the stitches out this morning and luckily, all is good. Thanks for asking.👍👍
I have never used a method feeder, but don't you find that with sweetcorn, the bait is partially crushed and tends to come off the hook? Good news all is OK with your back, a common problem in Australia unfortunately.
That used to be something I worried about too Christopher, but I use it on a Hair Rig and it seems to survive OK. As for my back, yes, it is a very common thing down here, but its better to be sure I suppose.
Went fishing with two mates in the cold and snow (we must be mad) Caught a decent Roach and a Goldfish on the 3d printed feeder with a Fjuka pop up. I have not always had a lot of luck with the moulds and hand tighten my mix. I always put a base mix and then my bait in the middle then a top mix over that. Was nice to see it in action as you can only hope it is well presented? Hope the stiches are out soon.
Hi Phill. I was looking at the weather back in the UK. You definitely are mad mate! 🤣🤣👍👍
@@FishingwithDen Sure was! The snow was right in our faces. After we packed up and had a chat we looked at the third lake it was surrounded by trees and sheltered Doh!
Interesting: is the ground bait your bread-crumb and layer pellet mix? SM
Hi Stewart. Yes it is.