I have been towing for work and recreation for 30 years. The biggest difference I have experienced is comfort. I do not mean luxury, I mean tension level. The modern half ton has gotten quite good at towing capacity, but it does not offer what the HD trucks do, mass. The HD trucks are not overwhelmed by the trailer in the same way. If you will be towing often, look for an HD. If you will only be towing once, or twice a year the half ton will be just fine. I prefer the heavier trucks myself.
Also depends on what you are towing. If you are only towing like 5k...say a small car car/trailer, there is no need to have a huge diesel. I see too many people who think they need a HD for the smallest things. But yeah if you are towing heavier things, then absolutely get the HD. I'm upgrading my older 1500 to a 2500 and it's definitely helpful with the bigger loads.
Only small truck I ever owned was a ranger when I was 16. Ever since it has been 2500-4500. I recently had a coupler break on a jobsite trailer while towing. I dragged that trailer over 2 miles down a hill trying to slow down and maintain control. The guys in the truck all agreed it would not have ended as good as it did if it wasn't for the crew cab long bed diesel. Exhaust brake slowed the truck as I worked the brake controller. I was doing 65mph when it happened. Scariest experience towing I ever had.
I shouldn't have read the comments, a little negative. These trucks are gorgeous, well designed and super functional. I think the interior is perfect. I don't need a laptop on my dash to satisfy me, seems distracting.
What you all do is my dream job. I've been working on commercial aircraft for almost 35 years now but my true love is vehicles. I always told people I work on aircraft to support my habit of great vehicles. And I've owned a ton of them over the years...I love them all. You all rock.... I wish I had your job!!
I almost went with the 2500 but ended up getting the 1500 3.0 Duramax. I don’t tow much but a 12’ livestock trailer sometimes. Best truck I ever owned and I came from a Ford Raptor.
I just sold my 2017 Ford Raptor for a 2023 Silverado 1500 High Country with the 3.0 duramax lzo motor and it is hands down the best truck I have ever owned. It is very smooth and has a great ride.
The best bet is to buy a used loaded heavy duty pickup as it’s very likely only been driven back and forth to work and to the local mall.I have a couple neighbors with GMC Denali pickups that if you throw so much as a pine cone in the bed of their truck,they would have a heart attack.
I've owned both...if you pull more than a small boat or a riding mower get the HD ! They pull with ease, factory brake controller, more stable and it's what they are made for and in my opinion are more stable on the road.
Duramax vs Duramax, or me (1500 Duramax) and my brother-in-law (2500 Duramax). I tow a Rockwood 2509s (~750lbs hitch and 5700lbs)(mainly OH and IN, next week MI) and get around 12 MPGs. His trailer is bigger than mine and gets 10-12 mpg towing (14 with the tailwind). Recent trip (no trailer) between Southwest Oh and Bloomington, In and back then to Columbus, Oh the next day. The Fuel Economy computer for the 400, 50, and 25 ranges bested out at 30.6, 35.1 and 36.7 mpgs. Speeds ranging from 75 to 55 and stop and go when I was not on the interstate. Typically I get around 26mpgs in mixed (mainly suburban) driving around town in the 1500 Duramax. Just broke 17,000 miles. The 3.0L Duramax is a great half-ton engine option.
I tow a 10k lb trailer with a 2019 Silverado 5.3 and it does just fine until you're trying to stop it quickly or, you're going down a 10% grade and with applying light to heavy brake pressure is not doing much to slow you down. Talk about some white knuckle towing. Therefore, I have a HD truck in my sights for a more confident towing experience.
@@marcelo403polo2 right! Looking at the new half ton tow ratings, they're up over 12k lbs now. Nuts. Never would I tow a trailer that heavy with a truck that weighs half that weight.
I have a heavy thick rubber mat I put in the bed of my Chevy 2500HD and it makes a good difference in the ride, it feels more comfortable, smoother and safer, because it not bouncing around as much on a bumpy road. The type of mat I used is the ones you buy to put on the floor of a stock trailer they are thick and soft enough for the animals have a comfortable ride not sliding around. .
I would take the HD Chevy, all day, every day. I like the HD drivetrain, larger size, larger capacity (mine would be a long bed, also), and greater towing capability. (I will say I'm not wild about a 3.42:1 differential on the HD, as I'd rather have a 3.73:1, or 4.10:1 gear ratio, although it's most likely to compliment the 10 speed Allison.) The HD also doesn't require premium fuel, so, that's a plus. No HD truck has the turning radius of a half-ton, but I'm used to that, and it doesn't bother me. There is nothing in or on the 1500 that beats the HD that would make a difference in my choice of getting an HD GM truck.
I do not hate the interior whatsoever. It works. It’s simple. It looks good. It’s all you need. But it IS very far behind. Especially in the High Country/Denali trucks. It’s sad. Cant wait for the half ton and HD refresh coming soon. I will be buying the refreshed Denali HD
In my area, you can have the HD in any color you want, as long as it's white. 1500 isn't much different. If you have a 1500 short bed, make sure you get the extra trailer as an option if you actually plan to carry anything.
Nice comparison! I've been driving my 2500 Duramax for about 6 months now.. Highway driving, which most of my miles are, I'm just shy of 20 MPG. Suspension is a little stiffer than my previous smaller truck, but when I hook my travel trailer on the back.. it's a really nice ride!! Very similar specs to mine, my payload is 3300 lbs... and... I can attest that it needs more room to turn!! Overall, I love my truck. Love the videos! Keep 'em comin!
That Diesel has nearly twice the Torque and we know Torque is what gets a vehicle moving anyways so I'm not surprised the HD Duramax gets moving almost as quick as the gas LTZ💯👍
I had a '79 C10, a '92 Silverado C1500, and I have a '99 Tahoe Z71. Do you remember the selling point for those trucks? You didn't need a ladder to access the cab or bed.
@@Heffelz8 at a measly 6', I just don't have to use the step on my Tahoe. Being an older truck driver that drove a Kenworth W900L for a while I have no problem driving large vehicles. But, when I go home, I don't want to have to climb into my personal vehicle. I also work on my own cars, and I don't want have to use climbing gear to change the spark plugs. I look at the aerodynamics too. Today's GM trucks don't get any better fuel mileage despite more efficient engines because the they are over a foot taller. After my mom died, I took my dad to the store. He never had ridden in my Tahoe and immediately offered me $2000 for it. And I responded with laughter. A few weeks later he found a '97 in slightly worse shape with 220k, and now his Chrysler 300 Touring Edition just sits in the garage.
Have a 2wd F250 gasser for similar reasons. Besides not wanting to pay an extra 20k just to get a diesel… Had 4x4 been available near me at time may have considered it, but pricing these days with shortages really priced me out.
@@TheCamaro5 perhaps could have been more clear. In my area only available units with diesel were that much more at the time. Due to limited availability.
Love this episode. I am actually trying to choose between Chevy 1500 Diesel and 2500 Diesel. I don't really need another 2500. But like some of the features of the HD. Would like to see a full comparison including a 6,000 lb trailer pull Ike Gauntlet and 100 mile flat towing comparison. Try to use similar feature level on each if possible. I know sometimes you have to test what they lend you.
One thing I rarely hear is the difference in ground clearance. I loved my half ton GMC 1500 4x4, but got tired of reattaching the front valance just going on country roads, small ditches etc. Went with a Ram 2500 4x4, don't necessarily need the added payload / towing, but solved the ground clearance problem.
I saw almost this exact kind of thing on a local Ford dealership website... The F150 waa stupid expensive (and typically over 65k to 80k+), same with the F250, then there was a lone F350 XL 6.7 diesel 176" super crew with the 12k GVW package, heavy duty front axle, and cloth interior - $60k! Thanks, but the F350 killed everything else for less money. Even had the 3.31 rear locker, 5th wheel prep, FX4, and STX packages.
I love comparison tests! Good video. I only wished you had measured the interior depth differences of the beds and the side window height differences. The numbers are different and the beds, tailgates, not doors are interchangeable.
You can get a well equipped F350 XL super crew 176" diesel that will out tow and out haul the F150 and F250 for $60k. Was looking at the F150 and F250, looking for a heavy duty payload package F150 - but found a lone F350 XL 6.7 diesel that was better than every F150 and F250 on the lot for less money than they wanted for these less capable trucks. This also had the FX4, STX, HD front axle, 12k GVW package, 5th wheel prep, and 3.31 locking rear diff.
Originally I was 100% set on an F250 Platinum. The new F150 is just hard to pass up all that tech like on board generator, on board scales. I guess it boils down to what you're doing with the truck. It's also hard to pay the same price for a less capable truck. Still going with the F250. But would love to see a video comparing them to solidify that choice.
No comparison. I've owned the 1500 5.3 1500 6.2 now the 6.6 Diesel. The 2500 HD is by far the best. It's my everyday driver. My fuel cost has gone down about 300 bucks a month before the gas/fuel prices skyrocketing.
I want to still love Chevrolet trucks, but they’re blatantly behind the competition when it comes to interior layout & powertrain selection. Ford is the benchmark & Ram does a great job with interior features + layout. GMC would be my 3rd choice & that’s only because I refuse to give market share to the Japanese (even though the Tundra is stamped together in the US w/ many North Am parts).
The Silverado HD 2500 comes with a 8’ long bed but also a standard 6’9” short bed that’s not available on the Silverado 1500 trucks which comes with a 5’8” short bed, 6’6” standard bed, and the 8’ long bed as options.
Can you do an 11,900lb IKE with these two? I believe that you have yet to do a “super ike” with the new 6.2/10 speed. Would love to see it. Thanks for the video.
For 17% more money it's 90% more truck including a heavy frame that won't rust out even with the cheap ass GM wax coating. If you want a city comfort vehicle then you want a car or large luxury SUV.
I special ordered a 2022 2500HD base GMC Sierra 6.6gas July 15 and with the small amount of options mine was $45,000 with suppliers discount. Alot better than this 1500 shown for a crazy amount.
At this point there have been numerous reported cases of people buying brand new Chevy trucks over the past several years and having a problem with vibration and chassis jitter going down the road. Dealers have done everything but address these issues, from blaming tires & balancing issues to simply gaslighting & maintaining that they don't feel it. Have you guys ever even addressed this, or are you just cheerleaders?
And this is based on? I’ve had all brands of trucks and currently have a ‘20 cc with the 5.3and it tows just fine. Obviously it isn’t a 6.2 or EcoBoost but is right there with my old truck ‘14 Ram 1500 with the Hemi
My 5.3L 2020 Silverado 1500 LT crew cab 4x4 with max trailering package tows my 6000 Flagstaff travel trailer with no issues. However, this is nowhere near the truck's limits or anything of "actual" weight. However, I purposely bought a smaller trailer so that I could tow comfortably with this 1/2 ton truck. Averaging 9.5 MPG towing, mostly on the highway at 63 MPH.
My 2020 5.3 10 Speed trail boss LT tows our 27 foot travel trailer fully loaded 7,500 pounds with no problems, even at cruising highway speeds no struggles at all 😎
TFL did an Ike with a 5.3/10 speed trail boss and were extremely impressed . That’s why Andre always refers to it when talking about the 5.3. With the 10 speed it’s a very good powertrain.
Do you have an actual source for that statement? Numbers? Stats? I’d really like to see the numbers on reliability because I’m in a position to purchase the 2500 or 1500
I've always owned chevy and still do a 2001with 160000on it. but the new silverados specifically the 1500 is the worst designed looking chevy. It looks like a Toyota especially when they lost the squareish wheel well and the Toyota has them wth is going on! I like the seirra but if I went out to buy new today I'd have to buy a ram. Just so clean and smooth looking. Plus air suspension.
I feel that the Chevy is a love it or hate it kind of thing. I am definitely looking forward to the mid-cycle refresh for the 2022 model year. Personally, I like the front by comparison to the other brands because they're too sleek to look like a truck in my opinion. To each their own of course.
I have a 2001 Silverado also and absolutely love those body styles. Just simple. I really like the early 2000s Silverado 2500s also. Reminds me of 70 chevy front end. I'm not a fan of any of the new trucks. They are just ugly looking.
@@Ka_Gg I have a 2014 Silverado, so far it has 125,000 trouble-free miles. I average between 22 to something 24 MPG. I even off road it sometimes. So far so good...
Why not do the 6.6L gas v the 6.2L. I think that will be a better comparison. I’m in the market for either one. I did order a LTZ 2500HD, but wonder if a 1500 would be better?
Nobody ever talks about it but I have a 2020 3500 Duramax and my favorite feature to this truck is the 360 degree lighting that it has. When your backing a trailer at night it worth its weight in gold!! Absolutely love it!!! I would have bought this truck for that feature alone!
U don't need the fancy large touch screens and all the eye candy crap - U really think those touch screens and fancy stuff is gonna last past 300,000 or 400,000 miles? The motor and transmission quality is where it counts. duh
Most people tune their diesel truck so once it’s tuned that truck will be more in the mid 6 seconds 0-60. Maybe quicker depending on tire size,lift etc
Since mid size trucks are very close in size to half tons now, I feel like if I needed something bigger than a Colorado, I’d just get the 3/4 ton. Lots of benefits, including when it gets old and the check engine light is always on for different reasons, it’ll still pass inspection.
Yes, but I can live with the outside. That center stack and park bench seat combo is more than I can bear. One ram, three Fords, and all the rest Chevy and GMC over the years but I could not buy a GM truck right now. Fix the interior and quick!
I’d take either. Matter of fact I had to go through all of this in 2014 GMC year. I went with the racing half ton and am very happy. But my towing is limited. I like Racing over big time work truck and it is smaller but still…. If they figure out how to get both? No light weight diesel go 5.3 and be happy. Believe it from an owner
How bad does the HD ride? Im currently driving a 2021 f250 crew cab gasser and it rides like an old mack truck.Ive had many 3/4 and 1 tin trucks and dont remember any of them riding this bad.
I'm trying to decide between the 2023 gmc 1500 and the 2024 gmc 2500 gas. It's tough. I'll tow but not all the time. I like the size of the 2500 and want the new infotainment center of the 2024 gmc 2500. This is tough
False the LTZ half you can use your knee to close the gate like the HD. You just can’t toss it up. You can use the button in the cab to close the tail gate also. Just hold the button to close.
Honestly, Andre always has a good mood whenever he is around trucks... He never seems like he's bothered by anything. And I agree with Nathan, I am also not a chrome person. I really dislike it when it is over done. It's tacky.
Too bad about the 3.0 small fuel tank . Ram gives u a 33 gal . When towing the milage drops and who wants to stop ever 225 mi ! 2500 beats u up ride but if you need the towing heavy duty
These trucks looks so different. Think the 1500 should be the Silverado and the 2500 the Cheyenne. Would bring back a classic name and differentiate the two models. Didn't like the 2500 when released but must say getting use to it.
My 04 2500 Chevy rides like a brick but is the most reliable comfy truck I can imagine has 242k on it no problems it has rusty from WI but it’s been cross country many times and into Canada many times and never left me stranded 6.0 gas although not super powerful or efficient one of the best gas engines made I’d say
This was a truck review, was hoping for a comparison. Also you need to similarly equip each vehicle so you're comparing Apples to Apples. Putting the diesel against the premium 6.2 wasn't even a fair comparison
Yes. The 5.3 is truly a wonderful engine for the 1/2 ton. I love to see the 5.3 offers with a hybrid plug-in engine. If the 5.3 is too heavy, then a turbo v-6 IF THE V-6 weighs less. I’d like to see ford offer the hybrid with a 50 mile battery only and plug in option. To me the hybrid diesel would be absolutely my dream truck. A small power diesel with a 50 mile battery hybrid plug-in. Why 50 miles? Because 3-4 days a week, I’d never run internal combustion engine.
When you guys are talking about how much these trucks can tow... is that weight how much your trailer can weigh or the combination of truck and trailer weight??
I'd like to see the gas 2500 vs 6.2 1500. Also a 2500 duramax vs 1500 duramax. Mpg, range, and max 1500 tow behind each truck. I am looking at a getting a truck for my wife to pull a smaller horse trailer that we currently tow with a 2015 5.3L 6 speed and a '18 ram 2500 6.4. I almost went with a 6.2 instead of the ram but couldn't find a 10 speed.
If modern diesels weren't tuned to reduce smoke at a hard launch until the turbo is fully spoolled, the 2500 would have smoked the 6.2. If I recall there was a bypass put in the baby DMax in the Canyon/Colorado that would bring the 0-60 down into the 6s but shut off once you hit 60
thats what I thought. Bought the 2500 anyway. Got it home and my wife came out and looked at it. First time she has ever really commented on my new rigs but with this she said "bad ass" Suddenly it wasn't ugly anymore.
Good comparison guys, thanks. Although you did make some comment, it would have been good to mention more about the other engine options and their capabilities, especially the 6.6L gas HD like I have which would cost about the same as the 6.2L 1/2 ton. I’ve come to like their interior mainly because it reminds me of my 2013 generation RAM’s layout = functional and large buttons and just enough and not too much screen (what happens it that breaks down?!!). I don’t care for space ship size screen (where does it end?). Re: suspension, here’s a great solution (revealed secret) that I invested in with my 2500HD and … so happy with. I changed my rear shackles for Sulastic shackles and my rear stiffness softened at least 50% without changing my payload capacity. Loved my sold RAM, loving my Chevy HD and because of improved suspension and its massive capabilities.
Diesel maintenance costs are astronomical compared to a gas. If you want to tow over 8000lbs 3/4 ton diesel all the way. Anything over 8000lbs Throws a 1500 around
No Andre! The 5.3 is a turd… Either the diesel for economy or the 6.2 for sound and “speed”. I’ve had five trucks with that 6.2 and they’ve all been excellent. Especially with a Corsa exhaust system
The new T1 5.3L with 10 speed is not a turd. It runs very well. I owned two K2 5.3L’s 2016/2017 and they were hindered by the lazy shifting transmission programming from GM for fuel Economy purposes. I have a 6.2L and love it but step dad has a 2020 Sierra with 5.3L and it’s surprisingly quick. Motor trend tested a new 5.3L from 0-60 mph in 6.1 secs! That’s not a turd!
It's a manual activated switch. Here's explanation from the manual. Manual trailer brake activation can be useful for correcting minor trailer sway and gradually slowing down on a steep hill or before stops.
2007 called, they want their interior back. Talk about being behind the times, that interior is so outdated. Gm used to have nice sleek designs, but that dash looks like a Zit about to explode. They need to take a design class from Ram. About the ONLY key component between 1/2 and 3/4 that sets them apart is the ride. If you can put up with the stiff jostling of a 3/4 or 1 ton, the HD is the way to go. No limits to what it can accomplish, well, some limits, but for the average person, no limits, and many more possibles than the 1/2 has to offer. Towing a travel trailer the 3/4 ton will always outperform the half ton.
I would go heavy duty because when I go grocery shopping I buy the 35 pack of water not the 24 pack.
I like to pick up 5 gallon jugs do you think a 3500 dually would suffice or should I get a semi?
@@epap1375 lmao!
or sunday afternoon early bird special at cracker barrel
LOL...you buy something that comes out of your faucet for free that you can filter? Lol.....
@@YourName-jm7lz waters not free out of the faucet
I have been towing for work and recreation for 30 years. The biggest difference I have experienced is comfort. I do not mean luxury, I mean tension level. The modern half ton has gotten quite good at towing capacity, but it does not offer what the HD trucks do, mass. The HD trucks are not overwhelmed by the trailer in the same way. If you will be towing often, look for an HD. If you will only be towing once, or twice a year the half ton will be just fine. I prefer the heavier trucks myself.
Also depends on what you are towing. If you are only towing like 5k...say a small car car/trailer, there is no need to have a huge diesel. I see too many people who think they need a HD for the smallest things. But yeah if you are towing heavier things, then absolutely get the HD. I'm upgrading my older 1500 to a 2500 and it's definitely helpful with the bigger loads.
Only small truck I ever owned was a ranger when I was 16. Ever since it has been 2500-4500. I recently had a coupler break on a jobsite trailer while towing. I dragged that trailer over 2 miles down a hill trying to slow down and maintain control. The guys in the truck all agreed it would not have ended as good as it did if it wasn't for the crew cab long bed diesel. Exhaust brake slowed the truck as I worked the brake controller. I was doing 65mph when it happened. Scariest experience towing I ever had.
@@payakadventures damn! Glad everyone was ok.
I shouldn't have read the comments, a little negative. These trucks are gorgeous, well designed and super functional. I think the interior is perfect. I don't need a laptop on my dash to satisfy me, seems distracting.
What you all do is my dream job. I've been working on commercial aircraft for almost 35 years now but my true love is vehicles. I always told people I work on aircraft to support my habit of great vehicles. And I've owned a ton of them over the years...I love them all. You all rock.... I wish I had your job!!
I almost went with the 2500 but ended up getting the 1500 3.0 Duramax. I don’t tow much but a 12’ livestock trailer sometimes. Best truck I ever owned and I came from a Ford Raptor.
I just sold my 2017 Ford Raptor for a 2023 Silverado 1500 High Country with the 3.0 duramax lzo motor and it is hands down the best truck I have ever owned. It is very smooth and has a great ride.
I just picked up a 2021 3500 and absolutely love it.
The best bet is to buy a used loaded heavy duty pickup as it’s very likely only been driven back and forth to work and to the local mall.I have a couple neighbors with GMC Denali pickups that if you throw so much as a pine cone in the bed of their truck,they would have a heart attack.
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Most people buying the 2500 with a diesel are foolish
That is hilarious!!
you should cut all of their brake lines.... God I hate city people with trucks. I'm a logger....
I sure like it when Andre and Nathan have a chance to work together. My favorite TFL combo!
Anything to keep "Look at me" and his skinny-Me away.
@@jobu9224 🤣🤣😂
Agreed, I like the way they work together.
Maintenance should have been a category too
For sure
I've owned both...if you pull more than a small boat or a riding mower get the HD ! They pull with ease, factory brake controller, more stable and it's what they are made for and in my opinion are more stable on the road.
Wanted a Diesel 1500 vs Diesel 2500 comparo
Same mpg is insane on the 1500
This is what Chevy gave them 🤷🏼♂️
Same, and them both towing up a 6% grade.
@@babybuluga1554 more like down and around turns. if the engines are the same they’re both pull find. i wanna see how they handle.
@@justabrokeredneck different diesel engines. 1500 is a 3.0L and 2500 is 6.6L.
Duramax vs Duramax, or me (1500 Duramax) and my brother-in-law (2500 Duramax). I tow a Rockwood 2509s (~750lbs hitch and 5700lbs)(mainly OH and IN, next week MI) and get around 12 MPGs. His trailer is bigger than mine and gets 10-12 mpg towing (14 with the tailwind). Recent trip (no trailer) between Southwest Oh and Bloomington, In and back then to Columbus, Oh the next day. The Fuel Economy computer for the 400, 50, and 25 ranges bested out at 30.6, 35.1 and 36.7 mpgs. Speeds ranging from 75 to 55 and stop and go when I was not on the interstate. Typically I get around 26mpgs in mixed (mainly suburban) driving around town in the 1500 Duramax. Just broke 17,000 miles. The 3.0L Duramax is a great half-ton engine option.
Have a 23 with the 3.0 and absolutely love the mpg
I tow a 10k lb trailer with a 2019 Silverado 5.3 and it does just fine until you're trying to stop it quickly or, you're going down a 10% grade and with applying light to heavy brake pressure is not doing much to slow you down. Talk about some white knuckle towing. Therefore, I have a HD truck in my sights for a more confident towing experience.
No matter what numbers they claim, I would never pull 10k lb with half ton.
@@marcelo403polo2 right! Looking at the new half ton tow ratings, they're up over 12k lbs now. Nuts. Never would I tow a trailer that heavy with a truck that weighs half that weight.
@@marcelo403polo2 my dad pulls that with an old 2006 sierra in a 5.3 every week lol and its still running
@@112188Francisco Im not saying its not possible. I just wouldn't be safe with this load in half ton truck
@@marcelo403polo2 I used to pull 8k with a 3rd gen tacoma...
I thought you were going to compare the 2 diesel’s. Now that’s what I’d like to see
Same
I misread this as well😆. Hook up 7500 lbs of trailer and see which can pull more efficient and smoother.
Me too 😬
They really should compare gas to gas and diesel to diesel.
Same. That in-line 6 is bad a$$!
I have a heavy thick rubber mat I put in the bed of my Chevy 2500HD and it makes a good difference in the ride, it feels more comfortable, smoother and safer, because it not bouncing around as much on a bumpy road. The type of mat I used is the ones you buy to put on the floor of a stock trailer they are thick and soft enough for the animals have a comfortable ride not sliding around. .
Now do this with the Rams, the Fords, Toyota, Nissan. :)
I believe they did one with an F150 and 250.
@@rustyshackleford5704 dammit dale!
Wish Toyota would do a 3/4 and 1 ton
@@rustyshackleford5704 and Nissan years ago.
I would take the HD Chevy, all day, every day. I like the HD drivetrain, larger size, larger capacity (mine would be a long bed, also), and greater towing capability. (I will say I'm not wild about a 3.42:1 differential on the HD, as I'd rather have a 3.73:1, or 4.10:1 gear ratio, although it's most likely to compliment the 10 speed Allison.) The HD also doesn't require premium fuel, so, that's a plus. No HD truck has the turning radius of a half-ton, but I'm used to that, and it doesn't bother me. There is nothing in or on the 1500 that beats the HD that would make a difference in my choice of getting an HD GM truck.
I do not hate the interior whatsoever. It works. It’s simple. It looks good. It’s all you need. But it IS very far behind. Especially in the High Country/Denali trucks. It’s sad. Cant wait for the half ton and HD refresh coming soon. I will be buying the refreshed Denali HD
In my area, you can have the HD in any color you want, as long as it's white. 1500 isn't much different. If you have a 1500 short bed, make sure you get the extra trailer as an option if you actually plan to carry anything.
Duramax wins hands down.
Nice comparison! I've been driving my 2500 Duramax for about 6 months now.. Highway driving, which most of my miles are, I'm just shy of 20 MPG. Suspension is a little stiffer than my previous smaller truck, but when I hook my travel trailer on the back.. it's a really nice ride!! Very similar specs to mine, my payload is 3300 lbs... and... I can attest that it needs more room to turn!! Overall, I love my truck. Love the videos! Keep 'em comin!
I’ve been waiting for this video forever
I only need a 1500 but the 2500s look way better from almost every manufacturer
Exact same boat here
That Diesel has nearly twice the Torque and we know Torque is what gets a vehicle moving anyways so I'm not surprised the HD Duramax gets moving almost as quick as the gas LTZ💯👍
I had a '79 C10, a '92 Silverado C1500, and I have a '99 Tahoe Z71. Do you remember the selling point for those trucks? You didn't need a ladder to access the cab or bed.
I loved my 98 Tahoe LT. Best truck I’ve ever owned. But I’m 6’6” so getting in/out hasn’t been a problem with the taller vehicles.
@@Heffelz8 at a measly 6', I just don't have to use the step on my Tahoe.
Being an older truck driver that drove a Kenworth W900L for a while I have no problem driving large vehicles. But, when I go home, I don't want to have to climb into my personal vehicle. I also work on my own cars, and I don't want have to use climbing gear to change the spark plugs.
I look at the aerodynamics too. Today's GM trucks don't get any better fuel mileage despite more efficient engines because the they are over a foot taller.
After my mom died, I took my dad to the store. He never had ridden in my Tahoe and immediately offered me $2000 for it. And I responded with laughter. A few weeks later he found a '97 in slightly worse shape with 220k, and now his Chrysler 300 Touring Edition just sits in the garage.
Yowser, your tahoe gets over 26 mpg combined? Killer!
Remember how much a house cost in '79? Good times.
I really like my '21 2500HD gasser, 3600lb payload is the reason I didn't get a half ton. And I love the interior too!
Have a 2wd F250 gasser for similar reasons. Besides not wanting to pay an extra 20k just to get a diesel… Had 4x4 been available near me at time may have considered it, but pricing these days with shortages really priced me out.
@@I_Love_Quokkas Diesel is a 7-8k option not 20k.
@@TheCamaro5 perhaps could have been more clear. In my area only available units with diesel were that much more at the time. Due to limited availability.
@@TheCamaro5 More like 10k.
@@TheCamaro5 12k average with transmission. They get ya coming and going
Love this episode. I am actually trying to choose between Chevy 1500 Diesel and 2500 Diesel. I don't really need another 2500. But like some of the features of the HD. Would like to see a full comparison including a 6,000 lb trailer pull Ike Gauntlet and 100 mile flat towing comparison. Try to use similar feature level on each if possible. I know sometimes you have to test what they lend you.
One thing I rarely hear is the difference in ground clearance. I loved my half ton GMC 1500 4x4, but got tired of reattaching the front valance just going on country roads, small ditches etc. Went with a Ram 2500 4x4, don't necessarily need the added payload / towing, but solved the ground clearance problem.
The obvious ground clearance difference is one of the reason am buying a RAM 2500HD ..tks
I saw almost this exact kind of thing on a local Ford dealership website... The F150 waa stupid expensive (and typically over 65k to 80k+), same with the F250, then there was a lone F350 XL 6.7 diesel 176" super crew with the 12k GVW package, heavy duty front axle, and cloth interior - $60k! Thanks, but the F350 killed everything else for less money. Even had the 3.31 rear locker, 5th wheel prep, FX4, and STX packages.
Monsieur Peut Geot, I agree!
I love comparison tests! Good video. I only wished you had measured the interior depth differences of the beds and the side window height differences. The numbers are different and the beds, tailgates, not doors are interchangeable.
"... because he's going to want to get that on video when you do a sharp turn." 😂
Would love to see the same thing for F150 vs F250.
Me too
You can get a well equipped F350 XL super crew 176" diesel that will out tow and out haul the F150 and F250 for $60k. Was looking at the F150 and F250, looking for a heavy duty payload package F150 - but found a lone F350 XL 6.7 diesel that was better than every F150 and F250 on the lot for less money than they wanted for these less capable trucks. This also had the FX4, STX, HD front axle, 12k GVW package, 5th wheel prep, and 3.31 locking rear diff.
Originally I was 100% set on an F250 Platinum. The new F150 is just hard to pass up all that tech like on board generator, on board scales. I guess it boils down to what you're doing with the truck. It's also hard to pay the same price for a less capable truck. Still going with the F250. But would love to see a video comparing them to solidify that choice.
@@Pratt_Photo well doesn't the F250 (or F350) have a PTO for running a generator?
than why dont you type on that info in the search?
As much as I love the HDs, just no need for them anymore, the 1500s suit our family just fine.
Well the only ppl who need it are either big truck lovers or actually tow heavy loads for work/farm
@@Who-Uhm-Cares I agree, that's just not me anymore. Used to run a F-450 hauling cars.
No comparison. I've owned the 1500 5.3 1500 6.2 now the 6.6 Diesel. The 2500 HD is by far the best. It's my everyday driver. My fuel cost has gone down about 300 bucks a month before the gas/fuel prices skyrocketing.
I want to still love Chevrolet trucks, but they’re blatantly behind the competition when it comes to interior layout & powertrain selection. Ford is the benchmark & Ram does a great job with interior features + layout. GMC would be my 3rd choice & that’s only because I refuse to give market share to the Japanese (even though the Tundra is stamped together in the US w/ many North Am parts).
Thanks for this video! This helped me pick my new truck. I went with the 2500hd.
You can also get the 6’7” bed on the half ton.
Ya I was going to say that lol that's mine with crew cab also e85 trucks flex fuel make a huge difference on gas motor
The Silverado HD 2500 comes with a 8’ long bed but also a standard 6’9” short bed that’s not available on the Silverado 1500 trucks which comes with a 5’8” short bed, 6’6” standard bed, and the 8’ long bed as options.
Can you do an 11,900lb IKE with these two? I believe that you have yet to do a “super ike” with the new 6.2/10 speed. Would love to see it. Thanks for the video.
about time , they said it, 6.2 v8 requires premium fuel, not reccemend , but required,
For 17% more money it's 90% more truck including a heavy frame that won't rust out even with the cheap ass GM wax coating.
If you want a city comfort vehicle then you want a car or large luxury SUV.
I special ordered a 2022 2500HD base GMC Sierra 6.6gas July 15 and with the small amount of options mine was $45,000 with suppliers discount. Alot better than this 1500 shown for a crazy amount.
At this point there have been numerous reported cases of people buying brand new Chevy trucks over the past several years and having a problem with vibration and chassis jitter going down the road. Dealers have done everything but address these issues, from blaming tires & balancing issues to simply gaslighting & maintaining that they don't feel it. Have you guys ever even addressed this, or are you just cheerleaders?
I also wish there was a toggle switch on the driver side seat that you could flip to control the passenger seat just like the mirror controls work.
8:00 - agree about those analogs being easy to use, which is want i want in my work truck.
The 5.3 struggles towing anything of actual weight.
And this is based on? I’ve had all brands of trucks and currently have a ‘20 cc with the 5.3and it tows just fine. Obviously it isn’t a 6.2 or EcoBoost but is right there with my old truck ‘14 Ram 1500 with the Hemi
5.3 with 8 speed is rated to tow9800 lbs lol.
My 5.3L 2020 Silverado 1500 LT crew cab 4x4 with max trailering package tows my 6000 Flagstaff travel trailer with no issues. However, this is nowhere near the truck's limits or anything of "actual" weight. However, I purposely bought a smaller trailer so that I could tow comfortably with this 1/2 ton truck. Averaging 9.5 MPG towing, mostly on the highway at 63 MPH.
My 2020 5.3 10 Speed trail boss LT tows our 27 foot travel trailer fully loaded 7,500 pounds with no problems, even at cruising highway speeds no struggles at all 😎
TFL did an Ike with a 5.3/10 speed trail boss and were extremely impressed . That’s why Andre always refers to it when talking about the 5.3. With the 10 speed it’s a very good powertrain.
I’d get the HD over the 1500 . The 2500 has above average reliability whereas the 1500 has below average reliability.
Do you have an actual source for that statement? Numbers? Stats? I’d really like to see the numbers on reliability because I’m in a position to purchase the 2500 or 1500
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I've always owned chevy and still do a 2001with 160000on it. but the new silverados specifically the 1500 is the worst designed looking chevy. It looks like a Toyota especially when they lost the squareish wheel well and the Toyota has them wth is going on! I like the seirra but if I went out to buy new today I'd have to buy a ram. Just so clean and smooth looking. Plus air suspension.
I feel that the Chevy is a love it or hate it kind of thing. I am definitely looking forward to the mid-cycle refresh for the 2022 model year. Personally, I like the front by comparison to the other brands because they're too sleek to look like a truck in my opinion. To each their own of course.
They are all made with the same part's anyways...
I have a 2001 Silverado also and absolutely love those body styles. Just simple. I really like the early 2000s Silverado 2500s also. Reminds me of 70 chevy front end.
I'm not a fan of any of the new trucks. They are just ugly looking.
@@Ka_Gg I have a 2014 Silverado, so far it has 125,000 trouble-free miles. I average between 22 to something 24 MPG. I even off road it sometimes. So far so good...
Thanks for this video. I’ve been looking at Chevy’s 2500 HD diesel for a minute now and this is helping a great deal. Thank you!
Why not do the 6.6L gas v the 6.2L. I think that will be a better comparison. I’m in the market for either one. I did order a LTZ 2500HD, but wonder if a 1500 would be better?
I really like the one button window done switch. It also should be available to raise the windows too.
You're right. Great for hot truck and the dog loves it.
it is.
Better comparison would have been a gas 2500 🤦🏽♂️
Exactly this is really apples to oranges they both need to be gas.
Andre and Nathan are very good at dishing out facts... Great TFL truck combo
Nobody ever talks about it but I have a 2020 3500 Duramax and my favorite feature to this truck is the 360 degree lighting that it has. When your backing a trailer at night it worth its weight in gold!! Absolutely love it!!! I would have bought this truck for that feature alone!
Please do another updated video comparing the 3.0l diesel towing 10000lbs vs the 2500 6.6 towing 10000lbs.
U don't need the fancy large touch screens and all the eye candy crap - U really think those touch screens and fancy stuff is gonna last past 300,000 or 400,000 miles? The motor and transmission quality is where it counts. duh
Most people tune their diesel truck so once it’s tuned that truck will be more in the mid 6 seconds 0-60. Maybe quicker depending on tire size,lift etc
Mall crawlers..
Since mid size trucks are very close in size to half tons now, I feel like if I needed something bigger than a Colorado, I’d just get the 3/4 ton. Lots of benefits, including when it gets old and the check engine light is always on for different reasons, it’ll still pass inspection.
To make it truly comparable, you should have done the 6.6L gasser 3/4 ton against the 6.2L 1/2 ton
2500hd fell from the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down
Yes, but I can live with the outside. That center stack and park bench seat combo is more than I can bear. One ram, three Fords, and all the rest Chevy and GMC over the years but I could not buy a GM truck right now. Fix the interior and quick!
I’d take either. Matter of fact I had to go through all of this in 2014 GMC year. I went with the racing half ton and am very happy. But my towing is limited. I like Racing over big time work truck and it is smaller but still….
If they figure out how to get both? No light weight diesel go 5.3 and be happy. Believe it from an owner
😆😆hearing Andre at the end answer with only 'Rrrrrgh!!!' Priceless😆
You should of compared the 1500 in duramax vs the 2500 HD..
How bad does the HD ride? Im currently driving a 2021 f250 crew cab gasser and it rides like an old mack truck.Ive had many 3/4 and 1 tin trucks and dont remember any of them riding this bad.
I'm trying to decide between the 2023 gmc 1500 and the 2024 gmc 2500 gas. It's tough. I'll tow but not all the time. I like the size of the 2500 and want the new infotainment center of the 2024 gmc 2500. This is tough
False the LTZ half you can use your knee to close the gate like the HD. You just can’t toss it up. You can use the button in the cab to close the tail gate also. Just hold the button to close.
My Z71 RST 6.2L rides more like a 3/4 ton than a 1/2 ton. I can verify it will tow 11,500 lbs but I really wouldn't suggest it on a regular basis.
I love my Chevy truck I love you straight six diesel
Honestly, Andre always has a good mood whenever he is around trucks... He never seems like he's bothered by anything.
And I agree with Nathan, I am also not a chrome person. I really dislike it when it is over done. It's tacky.
Check the forums. The racho shocks are junk a lot of people switch them out to bilstein with a noticeable upgrade in ride quality.
Too bad about the 3.0 small fuel tank . Ram gives u a 33 gal . When towing the milage drops and who wants to stop ever 225 mi !
2500 beats u up ride but if you need the towing heavy duty
These trucks looks so different. Think the 1500 should be the Silverado and the 2500 the Cheyenne. Would bring back a classic name and differentiate the two models. Didn't like the 2500 when released but must say getting use to it.
My 04 2500 Chevy rides like a brick but is the most reliable comfy truck I can imagine has 242k on it no problems it has rusty from WI but it’s been cross country many times and into Canada many times and never left me stranded 6.0 gas although not super powerful or efficient one of the best gas engines made I’d say
I think the 1/2 ton looks better in the Chevy & the HDs look better in the GMC version.
GMC Sierra is the best looking exterior truck period.
I think a diesel vs diesel would have been a better comparison or 6.2L gas vs 6.6L gas still a very interesting video guys good job
What do you need a big screen in a truck for? Any screen at all seems superfluous
Great video! Please do a towing comparison if you can!
I'm a Chevy guy and I love the new HDs but GM needs to make their HD trucks sit taller it's not even that much bigger than the 1500.
it is taller
Will be great to see similar video on 2024 sierra, 1500 vs 2500
When's the last time you two were at a gm dealership?you can't buy a diesel new for,60 k.
WT and LT come in at just under $60k with the diesel. If you start adding options you will be over $60k pretty quickly.
@@rich7447 you're lucky to buy anything new at all right now
@@nbain66 I painfully aware.
This was a truck review, was hoping for a comparison. Also you need to similarly equip each vehicle so you're comparing Apples to Apples. Putting the diesel against the premium 6.2 wasn't even a fair comparison
On my 2008 Daewoo the Fart button is actually the door handle. Get that vacuum effect working while you 're 68 on the highway.
Yes. The 5.3 is truly a wonderful engine for the 1/2 ton. I love to see the 5.3 offers with a hybrid plug-in engine. If the 5.3 is too heavy, then a turbo v-6 IF THE V-6 weighs less.
I’d like to see ford offer the hybrid with a 50 mile battery only and plug in option.
To me the hybrid diesel would be absolutely my dream truck. A small power diesel with a 50 mile battery hybrid plug-in.
Why 50 miles? Because 3-4 days a week, I’d never run internal combustion engine.
The 5.3 is an all aluminum 2 valve v8 with a plastic intake.. it weighs 380lbs. I bet it's lighter than the iron block 4 cyl.. I'd almost guarantee it
What kind of 6.2l is that. Mine stock is way faster than 8 seconds 0 to 60 mph. Mine is at a little over 5 seconds.
When you guys are talking about how much these trucks can tow... is that weight how much your trailer can weigh or the combination of truck and trailer weight??
compare 2500 diesel to 3L diesel 1500
Thanks guys. Great video as always. Why would Chevy specify premium gas? I hate that.
I sure hope not. I'm running 87 in my gas 2500 and all seems good.
I'd like to see the gas 2500 vs 6.2 1500. Also a 2500 duramax vs 1500 duramax. Mpg, range, and max 1500 tow behind each truck.
I am looking at a getting a truck for my wife to pull a smaller horse trailer that we currently tow with a 2015 5.3L 6 speed and a '18 ram 2500 6.4. I almost went with a 6.2 instead of the ram but couldn't find a 10 speed.
If modern diesels weren't tuned to reduce smoke at a hard launch until the turbo is fully spoolled, the 2500 would have smoked the 6.2.
If I recall there was a bypass put in the baby DMax in the Canyon/Colorado that would bring the 0-60 down into the 6s but shut off once you hit 60
It's for towing, only mall crawlers want their trucks going fast....
The battle of the century for the ugliest grill!
The white HD in the latest tow test is down right hideous looking!!!!
True
thats what I thought. Bought the 2500 anyway. Got it home and my wife came out and looked at it. First time she has ever really commented on my new rigs but with this she said "bad ass" Suddenly it wasn't ugly anymore.
Wait, where are 2500’s with a duramax going for the same money as 1500’s with a 6.2? Similarly equipped??
Yeah, pretty sure you gotta drop the $10,000 diesel/allison combo to pull that off....they kinda sidestepped that little fact.
Good comparison guys, thanks. Although you did make some comment, it would have been good to mention more about the other engine options and their capabilities, especially the 6.6L gas HD like I have which would cost about the same as the 6.2L 1/2 ton. I’ve come to like their interior mainly because it reminds me of my 2013 generation RAM’s layout = functional and large buttons and just enough and not too much screen (what happens it that breaks down?!!). I don’t care for space ship size screen (where does it end?). Re: suspension, here’s a great solution (revealed secret) that I invested in with my 2500HD and … so happy with. I changed my rear shackles for Sulastic shackles and my rear stiffness softened at least 50% without changing my payload capacity. Loved my sold RAM, loving my Chevy HD and because of improved suspension and its massive capabilities.
I'd buy the 1500 and if I needed a 2500 or 3500 I'd buy a Ford. I'm a Chevy guy but this body style on the HD series is just plane ugly :(
Couldn't agree more. The GMC looks much better compared to the Chevy
Yup. Super Duties on the other hand look really good in terms of styling. Interiors aren't half bad either.
@@TheRamGuy Very True. Whomever designed the HD Chevy grill should be fired and banned from design ...GMC Looks MUCH better
Diesel maintenance costs are astronomical compared to a gas. If you want to tow over 8000lbs 3/4 ton diesel all the way. Anything over 8000lbs
Throws a 1500 around
Should have also used a 2500 6.6 gas
Which one broke down???
Thump up if you looked got the skip add link when the pathfinder add came on.
The way the HD looks has really grown on me. I kinda still think the 1500 looks weird though. Just my opinion
No Andre! The 5.3 is a turd… Either the diesel for economy or the 6.2 for sound and “speed”. I’ve had five trucks with that 6.2 and they’ve all been excellent. Especially with a Corsa exhaust system
The new T1 5.3L with 10 speed is not a turd. It runs very well. I owned two K2 5.3L’s 2016/2017 and they were hindered by the lazy shifting transmission programming from GM for fuel Economy purposes. I have a 6.2L and love it but step dad has a 2020 Sierra with 5.3L and it’s surprisingly quick. Motor trend tested a new 5.3L from 0-60 mph in 6.1 secs! That’s not a turd!
Fart window thats gold !
One question tho, we dont get factory tow brakes in oz, what is the sliding tab function of the brake control for?
It's a manual activated switch. Here's explanation from the manual. Manual trailer brake activation can be useful for correcting minor trailer sway and gradually slowing down on a steep hill or before stops.
@@scottbutler3419 thanks👍
Great video guys. Love the fart window button. Long live the TFL long term Trail Boss!
2007 called, they want their interior back. Talk about being behind the times, that interior is so outdated. Gm used to have nice sleek designs, but that dash looks like a Zit about to explode. They need to take a design class from Ram. About the ONLY key component between 1/2 and 3/4 that sets them apart is the ride. If you can put up with the stiff jostling of a 3/4 or 1 ton, the HD is the way to go. No limits to what it can accomplish, well, some limits, but for the average person, no limits, and many more possibles than the 1/2 has to offer. Towing a travel trailer the 3/4 ton will always outperform the half ton.