Bushings made using sealer - will they work?
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In this episode we try out a potential repair idea (which some people actually use to fix motor mounts).
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Can we take a moment and appreciate the translator changing his voice for the lady parts?
I thought it was her, but wasn't really thinking about it ;)
“Lady parts!”👋😂👍
XD
A true professional. 11/10 hahaha
lady parts
"Nothing unusual, all is well" as the differential looks ready to do a back flip.
Forward flip lol, I have never seen an axel move so much :-D
@@BoB4jjjjs lol same! I was honestly surprised the ujoint didn't bind up with how much it was moving, I guess that shows how well they can do their job!
@@keithhill7098 It was funny, but a bit alarming at the same time :-D
Kinda reminds me about beamg drive when you add so much power that the diff, driveshaft turt it inside out. Hilarious!
he couldn't see it...
Go to a tire shop, where they retread tires and get some soft joining rubber. Then roll it in the bushings and bake it hard in home oven. See the results.
Yes yes yess
GENIUS
Infinite iq
Urethane works just as well. My friend even used polyurethane to strengthen a transmission mount, it's been like that for over a decade.
“No any suspicious noises”
The rear axle: *aight ima head out in a sec*
it was like as if it was on a swing
lol
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Completely normal on 1970ies Volvo 240. Softest bushings in history, those cars felt so home-made. Got better for modelyear 1978, much firmer handling.
I know everyone always talks about how good the voice over is ,but dang its like im listing to a relaxing e-book
I worked with someone from Latvia and he sounded exactly the same, he said that he learnt English from a computer. When I first watched this channel I thought it was him. 😂
I mean, they pay him for the voiceover, it better be good
I just hope they never run out of Lada's.
LOL, the ladas are more likely to run out of humanity that can put them to use
@@victorpiedra6742 sign me up for a decent one please.
got a Datsun A-14 and 5 speed I'd pop right in there!
@@modelnutty6503 My dad has a Lada Samara, if he has not broken it to the point that it does not roll anymore, no one will
@@victorpiedra6742 yup
@@victorpiedra6742 them samara’s are proper 80s space age
"well it's still moving; not bad!" - Garage 54 standards
I love it.
Everyone ignoring the fact that lad held the car were it was 😂
Need to know what shoes he buys lmfaoo
@@MisterMosfet He just stronk
They make a polyurethane epoxy like substance which when dry it turns out identical to polyurethane bushings. I saw it done on another channel and it makes a great finished product.
Windshield sealer is actually polyurethane.
@@lovesosa6467 The windshield sealer that I have used would never hold up as bushings. May be polyurethane but its not the blend that I was referring to.
@@lovesosa6467 he means of a much higher durometer
@@cobravids you re probably right
@@lovesosa6467 it’s 3m window weld it’s the one which works they don’t sell it in the UK so I’m looking for alternatives which will work
Try the same experiment using "Shoe Goo" Once dry, this thing is hard like rubber-bushings.
Shoe Goo is urethane and would work, but there are many firmness formulations for urethane.
It would have been cool to use different compounds such as shower caulk, head gasket, and liquid nails ect. In a 4 point you could try 4 at once
I did liquid nail. 2 weeks later it's still drying. Foreal I decided to order polyurethane
urethane sealer is often used as a bushing void filler to DIY poly bushings :D
@@flandrble Yup just put it in my new engine mounts. Should work good
One time, I filled the voids of a bushing with flex seal liquid(p2 volvo lower transmission mount with huge voids) and it is still solid to this day. An oil leak is degrading some of the original rubber though.
Vlad is a true gentleman. Glad he picked up that nice lady even tho he was filming.
Yah, except his first words weren't "good morning", but rather "why are you late?" X)
@@billh230 hes her boss, not her boyfriend.
@@tahahaider5836 Yah, I sorta got that, thanks.
I think it wasn't dry enough inside, if you had applied the sealer in layers I think it would have been way more durable.
Definitely 👍🏻
100% I’ve used that method on engine mounts using the layer/drying method using PU sealer and it’s stronger than the original
at the thickness they have, it'd probably take weeks for the polyurethane to fully cure. if they used a two part polyurethane like Sika 2C then maybe only one week until ready
@@Missed_Apex_GT PU is what a lot of mounts and bushings are actually made of so its unsurprising to hear it actually works
I did some testing and a piece 1/2 thick and 1 inch in diameter mixed with water (its moisture curing product) mixed with about 2-3ml of water (it won't be mixed but more like wet) hardened in less than 4 hours if done correctly. I put this sample on a 20 ton press and it snapped back into place after doubling in diameter and about 1/4 inch thick. the sample resumed its dimensions after the test. it cure at 0 celcius
107% successful in predicting the failure.
Tire tread glued in with contact cement worked good for me
Neat idea!
Ya should've made a competition of it, maybe have different guys in the garage use their own techniques/ideas to rebuild the bushings, then put them on and see's who's rebuild job holds-up the best, we would've got too see what product worked best for this repair, and one of your awesome mechanics would've had bragging-rights, great video, thanks for sharing.
Love this channel! ❤
Did this 35 years ago on an old Ford. Pumped the ball joints full of silcone. Looked good but holy handgrenade it was dangerous at 100km/h.
I would love to see you guys to make an V6 or V8 engine running on one side on gas and on the other half running on diesel😂
this right here
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Don't give them Ide..... hold on a sec!! That would be amazing and hilarious.
Thats the nuttiest idea iv ever heard
all of the rear bushings were shot on my Mustang when I got it, I hit a bump mid corner before I got them all fixed and the whole rear end shifted over to the point that I had to correct it with the steering a little, wasn't giving it gas or anything just driving normally, that's what made me realize how important bushings are, especially on a like axle rear end, I had spun the tires once in the rain and couldn't tell what the rear end was doing because of all the wheelhop it had, now she's got solid poly bushings bushings back there, no wheelhop at all and handling has been improved significantly
I recently replaced the dogbones up top in my 03 monte carlo with poly ones, thinking id do the rest later... Well the aluminum bracket on one broke out. Replacing the bottom ones now..
Looks like it was too soft. The 3m windoweld works better for that reason, still not ideal. They make castable urethane almost as cheap that actually works.
You have to let windo-weld cure for a full week in order for it to be effective, if you don’t properly cure it, it’ll sag, and then it’s a repeat all over again.
Ha! My father had a Fiat 124s when I was in high school. Soon after the warranty expired he complained that it would swerve across the road when he accelerated / decelerated.
I climbed underneath and found that those same bushes had collapsed - I replaced them.
Interesting that the Lada version had the same weakness!
Since I've discovered this channel, I have not ever gotten bored of it. They always find some new way to change things up!
Nice projekt! Id love to see revisit of it but instead use rubber hose, first using a big one, and then a smaller that just fit, then a smaller in that one untill the size is right for the metal tube in middle :)
The struts themselves were super strong. Way back in the day, I ran a Lada over a bear and the damage totalled $45.00--one bent strut. Thae car was driveable afterward, but the smell of bear cooking on the engine was overwhelming.
Good tip on loading the bushings properly
Normally a set of replacement bushes comes with some silicone or lithium grease so the new bush and the tube can roll around after the bolt is in. This might’ve worked if he molded the bushes before installing them with some proper lubricant .
Polytek 75-60 liquid polyurethane rubber. Can be used for everything from crafting to making suspension bushings and motor mounts.
You should try this as a fix for engine mount and you don't take out the rubber, just fill it in. Did it a few times and it works great, the result is about half way between stock mounts and real PU mounts, which is actually what you would want, a bit less movement than stock, but also not as much vibration as complete PU bushes
People use to replace bushings with heavy truck tire, glueing some donuts util it fits, here in Brazil. Some sort of polypropilen too.
Had an ideea to make a bushing like this line 15 years ago when parts were not available. Never did. Happy to see it here
What a comedy show. It's like Hoonigans!
i used to add sealer to my mk2 golf engine mounts to stiffen them up and it worked very well with little increased vibration, but far better power take up and clutch control due to less engine rock. (use to do road rallies and sprints in it)
To fill the gaps and all that ? Done this too
I've used seam sealer in my smiley transit prop shaft centre bearing and it held up for years!!
Great videos you Russians never fail to amaze me!!
Do you still have the van?
Another fun experiment. I dont know why, but I laughed so hard at "F@%@ing Toilet Bowl" *(5:47)
Apparently, strong window sealer such as 3M is the best option to reinforce a rubber bushing, filling the gaps in the rubber with it. If creating a complete bushing, two part polyurethane should be used. I'll try doing this in the following months.
plastic pistons, square wheels, wooden crankshafts, a lada with 3 motors, bushings made of sealant, these guys are amazing and never get bored 😀
Now we have the new jumping diff launch system!!
A common choice up here in Canaderp are hockey pucks, it would be interesting to see if they are actually any better.
Hahaha, never thought of that. I bet it works pretty good.
Nice upload Sir. Great review on this subject, great tips. Your knowledge and experience is very much appreciated.
Keep informing the people...
Wow this is very cool. I had just done this on my old 1995 kawasaki bayou 400 (klf400) four-wheeler, it seems to be holding up pretty good for a few months.
Ultra grey silicone sealant get pretty firm when completely cured.
Hello from spain, i love this show! For these bushings and as a couple of others may have suggested, i would lile to see you try a piece of leather. Thanks and look forward to seeimg the follow up!
I have two video ideas for you.
1. Replacing brake fluid with other fluid to see how well it stops.
2. A garage 54 style electric car conversion (maybe using a starter motor?)
As suggestion for you guys, what if you try mount either on flywheel or on crank pulley some weight on hundreds of kilograms but in balance to not distroy the engine and after this a test drive and some burnouts by dropping clutch from high revs
One time they put 4 or so flywheels on 😂
That's the beginning of the video I thought you were going to use something like permatex copper high heat silicone. You just have to be sure that it totally cured before driving and that might take quite a while with that much material.
I suggest bushings made with dry leather, inserted and then impregnated with some kind of glue. You could even put them in a pressure pot to get them really filled with glue. Then again, that might work too well...
I've gotta admit I have been tempted to do this in the past.
Now I can see why the Nissan rear ends have 2 additional links as well as the 2 control arms per side. This would stop the diff from pitching and from going side to side like that.
I've done poly filled motor mounts. It's works pretty good.
Before I even watch the rest of the video. I am going to admit I have been doing this for a decades but mostly with motor mounts. I have done subframe bushing but never suspension parts. It's a huge help with modified cars tightening up the motor mounts on a budget. I you can use silicone you don't have to use windshield sealer as it's allot more expensive.
That was a great idea and we enjoyed the final outcome. When I was so young and poor. I actually would use the piece of a sidewall off a Tire ! Cut it form around the metal pin ,But to keep them in placement use another two pieces on either side with holes than washers sizable enough to fit in there . Seriously awesome job wonderful show!🇷🇺 If I have yr countries flag wrong please when can display it in the background of your shop. 💪
We do the same thing in my country but we use old tractor tires to make the bushings
Windo weld works great to firm up mounts for modified engine or for mounts that are getting old , just fill in the gaps between the rubber
This is the best channel on TH-cam
Shows how extreme the forces in a car suspension really are. 3D printed TPU would probably be useable.
I would love to see what happens if you make an all aluminum exhaust system and then do a burnout until it melts.
I have done this with motor mounts and it worked.
What about using a non neutonian fluid and sealing it the joint? Weld washers on the metal sleeve holding the solution in the joint and allowing the bearing to slide within the hole. When going faster the solution becomes hard, when slow it becomes mushy and reforms...
9:19 Hey it’s my old Camry! Lol tough cars too.
That worker will NEVER EVER, EVER be late again
Try using a piece of hydraulic hose with washers big enough to hold it in, I did this on my friends Chevy trailblazer just so we could move it to another part of his yard, he forgot about that and has now driven on them for almost 5 years, and they were control arm bushings.
You're on the right track! Try some heatproof sealant? or maybe tire pieces!!
Cut the side out of tires to make bushings. They also work well for body mounts.
Excelente idea!! Saludos desde México!
Iv done this before with geocell gutter sealant works great ...
I was seriously considering this just yesterday lol
I am a big fan of yours I think you’re brilliant
That two part silicone stuff can be used to make fantastic bushings at home. Usually they use something with a shore hardness of like 70-80 I think
maybe try like, various sized rubber heater hoses for bushings? maybe they can be stronger
Rubber hose sorta works for upper motor mount. Cheapest thing i can see is gluing rubber in place or buying bushings on sale. Once i did make a bushing out of a rubber hammer
You should connect a switch button to a ignition coil on that Lada. When you press it, it is cutting the spark so you can imitate a rev limiter or a launch control and produce a very loud pops and bangs.
Gotta wait a few days for 3m window weld to dry. I ruined the motor mounts on my Honda fit from rallycross (and age) for some reason one is liquid filled and 300 bucks to replace. I filled them all with window weld and waited 2-3 days for that to dry. Noticably more nvh but felt amazing to drive, so much stiffer. Did a number of more Rallycross after and they held up great.
Oh man, that axle wrap. You could use it for Christmas.
i have made bushing from thick rubber hoses. sometimes you must use two sizes to make up the thickness
Hello, give it a try with " Sika Bond TF Plus N " , it is a very good " glue" that becomes very strong! Very good videos! 👍👍
Once in a pinch I wrapped duct tape around the center tubes and pressed them into my panhard bar while waiting for real parts to arrive. When I got the proper parts a week later they duct tape still looked fine. Probably more firm than real bushings though and would surely degrade in the heat or exposure to gas or something
What material was the sealer made from? I only have PU Windshield sealent here and that is not as soft and you can make a bushing with it that will last.
Try using washers cut from tires.
Homemade poly bushings are a good idea.
Can't wait to see what other materials you could try. Maybe chewing gum, or wood?
Wood might actually work well. Concrete could be amusing. Stiff ride followed very abruptly by loose ride.
thumbs up for mentioning that it should be mounted in working position
I had to used silicone for my transmission mount because my car model is slightly different but with 3 other regular engine mount, I'd say it's okay.
anyone in the drift scene (at least back in the day) has probably heard of "window weld" which people used to use to strengthen their stock engine mounts and bushings which were made with gaps in them, use the window weld to fill the gaps and you have stronger, stiffer mounts.
ive made engine mounts entirely from this stuff, its basically the same stuff they make regular polyurethane mounts from.
They would also use dirt bike dampers tied to the firewall too if I'm not mistaken.
9:10 Calling that nice lady an ashtray 😮😄😉
Solid steel bushings.
I did this to my engine mount on the Civic 1990 few years ago. It had very good results.
I have used liquid polyurethane to pour new bushings before, give that a shot. I think you will have good results, the windshield adhesive is too soft because it needs to allow for flex in the body relative to the stiffer glass.
I also used sealant rebuilding a shifter linkage on a b18 integra to good effect, but those see very limited motion compared to suspension bushings.
it is just not cure. its little bit harder than rubber when properly made and curing time respect
I’ve used polyurethane window sealant as bushings. Let them set for a week before using and 3 years later they are still there and stiff
Was it for a control arm?
@@agsession7664 no motor mount trans mount and rear subframe mounts.
Try 3d printing bushings with various materials and densities. I'd be curious on that.
I've gotten by in an emergency by rolling up sheet rubber and stuffing it in... doesn't hold up too well, but I think it did better than the sealant.
You guys should try to make cement for the bushings.
That could be really cool.
I was wondering, if you sat bushings in an oil, then put on your car, would they last longer then dry bushings being installed? Rubber like material does dry out overtime. But would soaking in oil cause longer life?
Just a curious question I have.
Oil will cause some rubber compounds to soften and expand.
It would likely degrade the bushings, as some rubber-like materials tend turn to goo when it contacted by oil.
Thanks for the replies! I did not know that.
"F***ing toilet bowl" 😂
5:48 so very true ! LOL HAHAHAHAH
You have answered 50% of my questions about this issue. How about epoxy glue? Would that work?.
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Windshield sealer for bushings 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Next time use leather.
Lololololol 😂 the way the translator did the woman’s voice was amazing
I used blue rtv on a midshaft bearing and it worked fine for the rest of the cars life.
I actually tried this on a front diff bushing. only lasted a few weeks before deteriorating
See if you can have an exact replica of the sway bar made in carbon fiber, as well as solid metal bushings. It should withstand the forces, but probably rebound violently/at a high frequency
How about wood bushings? Maybe a "softer" wood like pine?
This is the reverse of the rollerbearing suspension bushing episode