Adjustability and forgiveness are probably the main advantages of newer drivers over something 10 years or older. Plus ease of changing shafts. But something up to 5 years old or so could still be an option rather than spending £5-600 on new.
@@dracp792 Best to try a few at a used shop like Golf Clubs for Cash, The Golf Factory etc, but any major brand should be a safe bet such as Ping G400 Max, G410, G425 etc, not the cheapest but should be easy to move on
@@dracp792 Ideally trying some out at Golf Clubs for Cash, The Golf Factory or similar used club sellers, but any major brand really, Ping G400 Max G410 or G425 are a good starting point and although not the cheapest hold value and are easily resold.
Still playing my 2009 TM Burner at 9.5 degrees with stock R shaft. It still has a higher MOI than most modern drivers before this year’s TM and Ping releases.
I brought a titleist driver 2015 model less than 100 quid and three shafts of varying flexes a set of backweights, then fitted myself using a launch monitor and my own feel. When I got the set up to that worked put the shafts I didn't need on eBay plus the launch monitor. Got a well fitted driver for 170 quid and also the process taught me well Win Win !!
I actually have a TM R11 that I hit really well for years. Last year, though, I couldn't find a fairway to save my life. The great thing about the R11, though, is that it is adjustable in a variety of ways. Last fall, I messed around with different setups and finally got it where it needs to be. My last two rounds, I only had what I consider two bad drives. Sometimes, you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on the latest fad especially if your current driver can be adjusted.
I’ve been subscribed and watched these videos for a while now and I honestly think your videos have got so much better (always been a fan). Hope to see you and James play each other when the better weather comes, just like the old days 🙌🏻
I think most of us average golfers would be far better spending £100 on lessons rather than £600 on a new driver. However there is something exciting about having something shiny and new in the bag 😉 I have an old Titleist 905R driver. I hardly ever dig it out but when I take it to the range it smashes the ball just as far as my Callaway Rogue ST Max driver which is probably 15 years newer. (Love the videos btw 👍)
Yep agree 100% get lessons....I only use my 3wood off tee old Big bertha titanium 25yrs old can't hit Anything straighter....but that's just my go to, cheers happy golfing
I still have the R11, it’s fine for an inconsistent golfer which most club golfers are let’s face it! I also have the original Ping rapture driver, smaller looking head compared with the ‘bucket’ on a stick modern drivers, it sounds and feels really good and is easy to hit.
Replaced a 2014 Callaway with Mizuno STZ in December, practically the same shaft, just 3/4 inch shorter. Instant ball speed improvement. Probably easy argument that if the driver is 10 years old, any modern driver will outperform it unless you strike it pure every time already (which I don't).
Just updated from a Titleist 983E to a PXG 0311 after a fitting in November. Now I am more confident with the driver going straighter and farther more as a result of “fitting” over advanced tech. Stock shaft and loft of older clubs make for less “customization and fit” over modern offerings.
Replaced my 2011 Callaway diablo edge irons for Paradyms 6 months ago, they're worlds apart in performance and now I've taken 4 strokes off my handicap with them already
I trade in my golf clubs for new clubs. In 2012 I was probably playing the TaylorMade Burner Bubble driver and irons. I still have the irons. My nephew played irons in his junior matches and he left the pitching wedge along the way some place. 10:15
Still using my full set of 2006 Burners and love. Current PXG driver couldnt match it. I gut a new lob wedge about every 5 years and just updated to an original odyssey 2ball i found for CD$60 in mint condition. Dont think it had ever been used
I recently Got fitted for a driver for the first time. I happen to have a 110 clubbhead speed but I'm still new to the game. Could u do a video for golf balls that are cheep for fast clubhead swings. I'm not rich but love the game. Thankyou
I recently tried a fitting for PXG clubs I'm currently hitting Taylor made burners from 2010. I gained about ten yards on the irons and not much on the driver. The only reason I gained with the irons is because they are 2 degrees stronger. I think I'll just stick with what I have.
Honestly, my current clubs are approximately 20 years old. Yes, when I occasionally hit my friends newer clubs I do wonder whether spending the money is worth it but i subscribe to the philosophy of it is the archer and not the arrow, unless I get to a point where I am playing in amateur or potentially pro tournaments
I love you see you put a set of Paradigm irons of against a set of Cobra forged tec, 2016 Callaway Apex. Callaway XR. OS, Taylor Made M2, Mizuno JPX919. Just some suggestions.
Swap my competition set up with old Hogan woods and irons from the 1970's to early 80's, next to nothing different in distance but the feeling is miles better
Perhaps comparing the early M1-M3 drivers to the latest models; I reckon the stock shafts have improved as well. In terms of wedges, I’m not sure how much has changed as the older wedges (grooves in good nick) seem to perform as well as newer ones.
This is a great idea. I always wonder if every year irons are getting more forgiving are 2012 irons the same forgiveness as the P790 rather than the game improvement irons
How old is too old? Great question. Why wait to see if it is so old it breaks under pressure. Good thing to set boundaries or standards for things like this. Thanks for addressing a "serious" question
For irons, Cleveland 588 mts. For me, once clubs have passed the 10 year mark, I start to get a mental block. Drivers, I would probably be looking at the SIM line myself if I were looking. Something 3 to 4 years old should have plenty of mileage left but new enough to benefit from the newer tech.
Actually funny this vid popped on my feed. I still hit my 9* Taylormade RocketBallz Driver (1st Edition Green). I've hit all the new drivers up until 2024 and have beat all of them in distance with my Taylormade. This year I have high hopes for the Callaway AI Smoke Driver, will it finally replace my trusted RocketBallz driver. At this point I'm gonna go off dispersion over distance in my analysis this year. We'll see.
I game a Sim Max. I bought it on sale for $200 less than the Sim 2 Max. I hit the Sim 2 Max about 2 yds further so it wasn't $200 further. I see no reason to upgrade at this time. I figure I'll wait until they change the driver rules and buy a new used one then.
I would really love to see a general test with mid handicappers testing drivers. I would imagine it's not that much of a difference. But i'd be interested in that test.
i think the truest test would be to have the 2 sets of irons all bent to the same loft n lie. that way the real test is the technology of the metal and weights. so many people that do these tests with irons anyway, never remind the audience bout the difference in loft/lie settings, and how that affects alot. but the purpose of the battle is to show if we are being scammed just to basically have our current clubs bent
Chris coincidentally I have that very driver it's the r11s and I've hit it well over the years but my take from this could be the modern technology could be my friend the definitely over the past 2 years have seen a steady decline and swing speed inconsistency while I do have a SIM driver that is my gamer right now I am unsure that it would help me improve enough at this point in time to go to a 2024 Driver . I will make the effort to get to a simulator and make some comparisons to see if it's worth my while I have definitely hit a wall as far as distance goes due to my age
As much as I'd like to upgrade to the latest flashiest driver, the price points has me in check. I'll certainly upgrade sometime but it'll probably be for a great condition used one.
Funny that you picked the R11. Look I don’t hate T.M. Drivers I owned the RBZ and am seriously considering the Qi10. But I have 2 golf mates that are fairly decent players, when the R11 came out they both bought 1. Neither could hit them AT ALL just plain not a good driver. Hahahaaaaaa
Adjustability and forgiveness are probably the main advantages of newer drivers over something 10 years or older. Plus ease of changing shafts. But something up to 5 years old or so could still be an option rather than spending £5-600 on new.
Any recommendations?
@@dracp792 Best to try a few at a used shop like Golf Clubs for Cash, The Golf Factory etc, but any major brand should be a safe bet such as Ping G400 Max, G410, G425 etc, not the cheapest but should be easy to move on
@@dracp792 Ideally trying some out at Golf Clubs for Cash, The Golf Factory or similar used club sellers, but any major brand really, Ping G400 Max G410 or G425 are a good starting point and although not the cheapest hold value and are easily resold.
This week I replaced my 2012 Titleist AP1’s with the Srixon ZX5 MK2 irons. Definitely a major upgrade for me.
Still playing my 2009 TM Burner at 9.5 degrees with stock R shaft. It still has a higher MOI than most modern drivers before this year’s TM and Ping releases.
I think my Burner is from 2007. I like it. It's better than I will ever be.
That's a nice driver!
I brought a titleist driver 2015 model less than 100 quid and three shafts of varying flexes a set of backweights, then fitted myself using a launch monitor and my own feel. When I got the set up to that worked put the shafts I didn't need on eBay plus the launch monitor. Got a well fitted driver for 170 quid and also the process taught me well Win Win !!
I actually have a TM R11 that I hit really well for years. Last year, though, I couldn't find a fairway to save my life. The great thing about the R11, though, is that it is adjustable in a variety of ways. Last fall, I messed around with different setups and finally got it where it needs to be. My last two rounds, I only had what I consider two bad drives.
Sometimes, you don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on the latest fad especially if your current driver can be adjusted.
I’ve been subscribed and watched these videos for a while now and I honestly think your videos have got so much better (always been a fan). Hope to see you and James play each other when the better weather comes, just like the old days 🙌🏻
I think most of us average golfers would be far better spending £100 on lessons rather than £600 on a new driver. However there is something exciting about having something shiny and new in the bag 😉
I have an old Titleist 905R driver. I hardly ever dig it out but when I take it to the range it smashes the ball just as far as my Callaway Rogue ST Max driver which is probably 15 years newer. (Love the videos btw 👍)
Yep agree 100% get lessons....I only use my 3wood off tee old Big bertha titanium 25yrs old can't hit Anything straighter....but that's just my go to, cheers happy golfing
My driver and fairway woods are the original TM burners from 2007. I am 71 yrs old and don't know if new clubs would really make that much difference.
The Callaway Razr Fit I think was out that same time, and I loved the look as well as how it performed.
I recently bought a pxg 0811xf driver to replace a Ping k15 driver from about 13 years ago. The difference in off centre strikes is incredible.
I still have the R11, it’s fine for an inconsistent golfer which most club golfers are let’s face it! I also have the original Ping rapture driver, smaller looking head compared with the ‘bucket’ on a stick modern drivers, it sounds and feels really good and is easy to hit.
Comparing performance from retro to new clubs have always fascinated me....look for more to come
Replaced a 2014 Callaway with Mizuno STZ in December, practically the same shaft, just 3/4 inch shorter. Instant ball speed improvement. Probably easy argument that if the driver is 10 years old, any modern driver will outperform it unless you strike it pure every time already (which I don't).
Just updated from a Titleist 983E to a PXG 0311 after a fitting in November. Now I am more confident with the driver going straighter and farther more as a result of “fitting” over advanced tech. Stock shaft and loft of older clubs make for less “customization and fit” over modern offerings.
Replaced my 2011 Callaway diablo edge irons for Paradyms 6 months ago, they're worlds apart in performance and now I've taken 4 strokes off my handicap with them already
I trade in my golf clubs for new clubs. In 2012 I was probably playing the TaylorMade Burner Bubble driver and irons. I still have the irons. My nephew played irons in his junior matches and he left the pitching wedge along the way some place. 10:15
Still using my full set of 2006 Burners and love. Current PXG driver couldnt match it. I gut a new lob wedge about every 5 years and just updated to an original odyssey 2ball i found for CD$60 in mint condition. Dont think it had ever been used
2012 .... hold my beer ... I have 2005 Adams Redline driver ... it's a 460 CC and I still like it.
I recently Got fitted for a driver for the first time. I happen to have a 110 clubbhead speed but I'm still new to the game. Could u do a video for golf balls that are cheep for fast clubhead swings. I'm not rich but love the game. Thankyou
I recently tried a fitting for PXG clubs I'm currently hitting Taylor made burners from 2010. I gained about ten yards on the irons and not much on the driver. The only reason I gained with the irons is because they are 2 degrees stronger. I think I'll just stick with what I have.
Honestly, my current clubs are approximately 20 years old. Yes, when I occasionally hit my friends newer clubs I do wonder whether spending the money is worth it but i subscribe to the philosophy of it is the archer and not the arrow, unless I get to a point where I am playing in amateur or potentially pro tournaments
I love you see you put a set of Paradigm irons of against a set of Cobra forged tec, 2016 Callaway Apex. Callaway XR. OS, Taylor Made M2, Mizuno JPX919. Just some suggestions.
Swap my competition set up with old Hogan woods and irons from the 1970's to early 80's, next to nothing different in distance but the feeling is miles better
Perhaps comparing the early M1-M3 drivers to the latest models; I reckon the stock shafts have improved as well. In terms of wedges, I’m not sure how much has changed as the older wedges (grooves in good nick) seem to perform as well as newer ones.
This is a great idea. I always wonder if every year irons are getting more forgiving are 2012 irons the same forgiveness as the P790 rather than the game improvement irons
Think I was playing the Ping G5 driver or the Titleist 910 in 2012. I kept the 910 for ages and only changed it out two it three years ago.
How old is too old? Great question.
Why wait to see if it is so old it breaks under pressure. Good thing to set boundaries or standards for things like this. Thanks for addressing a "serious" question
Driver that I currently rock with - 2012 Taylormade Rocketballz Driver
I use the Adams Blue driver from 2015. This is interesting to see if I should get a newer driver if it gets me more distance.
I would love to see you and Dave both go up to the course with the last six generations of golf clubs and try them. That would be the ultimate video.
For irons, Cleveland 588 mts. For me, once clubs have passed the 10 year mark, I start to get a mental block. Drivers, I would probably be looking at the SIM line myself if I were looking. Something 3 to 4 years old should have plenty of mileage left but new enough to benefit from the newer tech.
Mizuno 825 pro, I would really like to see how they would compare with the newer ones
Actually funny this vid popped on my feed. I still hit my 9* Taylormade RocketBallz Driver (1st Edition Green). I've hit all the new drivers up until 2024 and have beat all of them in distance with my Taylormade. This year I have high hopes for the Callaway AI Smoke Driver, will it finally replace my trusted RocketBallz driver. At this point I'm gonna go off dispersion over distance in my analysis this year. We'll see.
My 2007 King Cobra Speed LD goes 40 yrds further than my PXG 0211 but the PXG keeps me in play 90% more.
LOVE the R11! The stock shafts were terrible but the head was great!
Every year.. if anything goes wrong these companies don’t fk give you an inch in help after warranty runs out.
I’m still using the 2007 TM Burner driver.
That's my gamer too.
Chris. I could look it up but what is the current average handicap? Cheers
I game a Sim Max. I bought it on sale for $200 less than the Sim 2 Max. I hit the Sim 2 Max about 2 yds further so it wasn't $200 further. I see no reason to upgrade at this time. I figure I'll wait until they change the driver rules and buy a new used one then.
How about testing a set of original Hogan plus irons? I played them and they were excellent on a good day. Not too forgiving on bad one😂
Hi Chris. Has the Taylormade sub brand Adams come to the UK/Europe?
I would really love to see a general test with mid handicappers testing drivers. I would imagine it's not that much of a difference. But i'd be interested in that test.
I am using a Taylor Made R1 driver which has a lot more adjustments than the modern drivers of today
Be interesting to see how the Cobra F9 driver stacks up against the latest drivers. 🙏
Well done Chris 👏 😊
i think the truest test would be to have the 2 sets of irons all bent to the same loft n lie. that way the real test is the technology of the metal and weights. so many people that do these tests with irons anyway, never remind the audience bout the difference in loft/lie settings, and how that affects alot. but the purpose of the battle is to show if we are being scammed just to basically have our current clubs bent
Please review the cobra fly z irons 🙏🏾
were the shafts similar
I much preferred the sound of the R11 😮
Maybe if you've already got something like an R11 then a newer better shaft may suffice
‘How old is to old?’ I thought you were referring to Dave😂
Put both drivers on a robot then that will tell you the real deal!
Chris coincidentally I have that very driver it's the r11s and I've hit it well over the years but my take from this could be the modern technology could be my friend the definitely over the past 2 years have seen a steady decline and swing speed inconsistency while I do have a SIM driver that is my gamer right now I am unsure that it would help me improve enough at this point in time to go to a 2024 Driver . I will make the effort to get to a simulator and make some comparisons to see if it's worth my while I have definitely hit a wall as far as distance goes due to my age
I will stick with my sldr driver and woods thanks
Would like you to hit my current driver a Titleist 915 D2 (2014)
Bought a mizuno gt 180. For 180$ CAD. next purchase ever
How about ping bowl
It’s too bad lessons aren’t a shiny thing ! 😂
Go get fit for the r11 . Then see what it does
Taylor made sim1
No point wasting $500 if you are not going to get another 10 yards.
Average golfers would get better results spending £500 on lessons rather than a driver
My Nike Vapor is going to get replaced...
It’s a lot of rubbish, my furthest club is still an old burner from the 90s it’s still the longest driver I’ve ever hit
I know people that still play a M-1 taylormade driver
Me until 2 weeks ago
Isn’t a 500 lbs driver a little heavy. 😂
Taylor made R9
As much as I'd like to upgrade to the latest flashiest driver, the price points has me in check. I'll certainly upgrade sometime but it'll probably be for a great condition used one.
Funny that you picked the R11. Look I don’t hate T.M. Drivers I owned the RBZ and am seriously considering the Qi10. But I have 2 golf mates that are fairly decent players, when the R11 came out they both bought 1. Neither could hit them AT ALL just plain not a good driver. Hahahaaaaaa