They messed up astoundingly when they had what they wanted. The spirit of fixed term parlts is to put together support for a new govt without an election if an old govt runs out of support. The Lib Dems completely broke that spirit, when in the Brexit deadlock they declared against putting Corbyn in, hence refused to vote Johnson out, and instead voted for the 2019 election. It was the worst backfired gamble by anyone in the whole Brexit crisis, taken in an absurd faitn that voters would do what followed their theories: it lost them the crisis. The election hammered them, their leader lost her seat, and it returned what they least wanted, a majority to put Brexit through smoothly.
@@conscienceaginBlackadder Corbyn didn't need the Lib Dems to get into number 10. The Change UK and independents were needed with or without Lib Dem help and they wouldn't touch him with a 8-foot barge pole, but it's easy to attack the Libs that win over ex-tories or Labour defectors. In fact, Swinson gave Corbyn an alternative. Have a GNU run by someone else. But he refused, stating Swinson didn't have the right to choose the next PM. Ironic, given how he acted like she had the power, when she didn't.
@@conscienceaginBlackadder As a Brexiteer, I sometimes muse on how much help the opponents of Brexit gave us. Allowing the election was an amazing own goal for them, and they have my heartfelt thanks.
From an American perspective, I kind of like the idea of the government being able to decide when to hold an election as long as they can pass confidence votes and do so within a five-year period; it wouldn't be practical here, but I can see the appeal of using your mandate as you see fit. Of course, I might be a bit jaded, living in a country where every election fills you with existential dread, and since you know exactly when it will be, you have four years to think about stocking up on canned food and/or cyanide capsules.
When David Cameron became Prime Minister of a coalition government in 2010, one of the first things he did was the end the power of a sitting Prime Minister to be able to decide when a general election should happen. The "Fixed Term Parliament Act" was passed in 2011 and set a five year term of office. However this new act became redundant as after Brexit in 2016, there were mechanisms to be able to get an early election if a majority in the House of Commons voted for one. This happened in 2017 with Prime Minister Theresa May calling a snap election and again in 2019 when Boris Johnson called a snap election. It became clear fixed term parliaments are not in the British nature and in 2022 Boris Johnson's government abolished the fixed term parliaments and we are now back to the old system, where a Prime Minister of the day can call an election when they wished.
One speaks & one listens, no interruptions, no talking over each other by interviewer or interviewees. UNLIKE TODAY!! Oh no, you can, on Polictics Live BBC2 for instant, they, every time have 5 politicos & a interviewer all speaking at same time. They need to show all these decades ago debate programmes to today's political rabble how to conduct themselves in debates on tv & thus make for a better society.
And adding to Sam's comments, one thing that no one foresaw at this stage was a series of public sector strikes over the winter months, dubbed the 'Winter of Discontent,' that made the Govt very unpopular and helped to usher in the Conservatives in the May 1979 election.
There kind of was no alternative. Neoliberalism emerged a product of the contradictions of the post-war collectivist polity and other ideologies were too unorganised to take its place.
If ever more proof was needed to expose these parasites then I am at a loss. NO M.P. Should be able to serve more that one term, 4 years only, to eradicate the career parasites and ‘Deal Makers’ with external lobbyists. Make it an honour to serve the country 4 years only...then OUT!👉
So who would lead each political party into the next election? By your argument, the party leaders would have to stand down rather than fight the election, thus instead of representing constituents and running the country in the last few months before the election, every MP would be winding up business, laying off staff (rough luck on them, eh?) and trying to elect a leader from among candidates who may or may not even hold the seats they will be vacating. Absurd!
I watched this in January 2019. I was only 8 years old at the time of this discussion so obviously was too young to vote etc. I grew up in Birmingham when we had the pub bombings. I am SO glad OUR country had a change after years of 3 day weeks, the dead lying un-buried in the street, et al. I have never liked Labour because, they have NEVER liked or represented people like me! My kind used to be called the "honest, working classes". Mrs Thatcher, DID understand the HONEST, classes. People of Values, of integrity.
We had bombings under both Conservative and Labour Governments. And during the so called winter of discontent, the dead did not lie unburied in the streets. The gravediggers in Liverpool were on strike very briefly.
@@teviottilehurst but because of Union abuse of power seeking to undermine democracy. Scargill tried it again in 1984/5 but the tables were turned on him!
I started secondary school in North Birmingham in 1969. I also saw the abysmal failure of Labour as they pandered to their anarchy union mates, forever on strike. The car industry at Longbridge was in perpetual chaos just like all the other rust bucket, state industries. Hugely overmanned, rubbish cars, no profits...kept going by pumping in taxpayer's cash. An utter shambles.
@@johnking5174 Agreed. Robin Day was a show pony who wanted as much as the spotlight as his interviewees. Llew was much more comfortable in his own skin and was more effective imo
AHHH THE GOOD OLD 70s, NOW THE SHOES ON THE OTHER FOOT, THE TORY GOV WILL HANG ON TO POWER FOR GRIM LIFE BY THERE FINGERNAILS ! A GENERAL ELECTION WILL WIPE OUT MPS IN BOTH PARTIES
@@christophergeeves4212 (S)he doesn't have one. This person is just as deluded and hubristic as Swinson, and am glad that such a sham of a party as the LDs even lost seats in Westminster.
@@CaradhrasAiguo49. We have a Tory government who just voted not to give free school meals to poorest kids in the country during half term, but whatever, if kids must starve to own the Libs, that's a price worth paying?
"It could all go wildly agley over the winter, could it not?" Prophetic...
Well, the Liberals finally got their fixed term parliaments, and what utter chaos it has caused.
They messed up astoundingly when they had what they wanted. The spirit of fixed term parlts is to put together support for a new govt without an election if an old govt runs out of support. The Lib Dems completely broke that spirit, when in the Brexit deadlock they declared against putting Corbyn in, hence refused to vote Johnson out, and instead voted for the 2019 election. It was the worst backfired gamble by anyone in the whole Brexit crisis, taken in an absurd faitn that voters would do what followed their theories: it lost them the crisis. The election hammered them, their leader lost her seat, and it returned what they least wanted, a majority to put Brexit through smoothly.
@@conscienceaginBlackadder Corbyn didn't need the Lib Dems to get into number 10. The Change UK and independents were needed with or without Lib Dem help and they wouldn't touch him with a 8-foot barge pole, but it's easy to attack the Libs that win over ex-tories or Labour defectors.
In fact, Swinson gave Corbyn an alternative. Have a GNU run by someone else. But he refused, stating Swinson didn't have the right to choose the next PM. Ironic, given how he acted like she had the power, when she didn't.
@@conscienceaginBlackadder As a Brexiteer, I sometimes muse on how much help the opponents of Brexit gave us. Allowing the election was an amazing own goal for them, and they have my heartfelt thanks.
@@ian_b so glad we sold out our farmers and fishermen
@@jerryuk93 Fair point.
From an American perspective, I kind of like the idea of the government being able to decide when to hold an election as long as they can pass confidence votes and do so within a five-year period; it wouldn't be practical here, but I can see the appeal of using your mandate as you see fit. Of course, I might be a bit jaded, living in a country where every election fills you with existential dread, and since you know exactly when it will be, you have four years to think about stocking up on canned food and/or cyanide capsules.
When David Cameron became Prime Minister of a coalition government in 2010, one of the first things he did was the end the power of a sitting Prime Minister to be able to decide when a general election should happen. The "Fixed Term Parliament Act" was passed in 2011 and set a five year term of office. However this new act became redundant as after Brexit in 2016, there were mechanisms to be able to get an early election if a majority in the House of Commons voted for one. This happened in 2017 with Prime Minister Theresa May calling a snap election and again in 2019 when Boris Johnson called a snap election. It became clear fixed term parliaments are not in the British nature and in 2022 Boris Johnson's government abolished the fixed term parliaments and we are now back to the old system, where a Prime Minister of the day can call an election when they wished.
fascinating stuff !
One speaks & one listens, no interruptions, no talking over each other by interviewer or interviewees. UNLIKE TODAY!! Oh no, you can, on Polictics Live BBC2 for instant, they, every time have 5 politicos & a interviewer all speaking at same time. They need to show all these decades ago debate programmes to today's political rabble how to conduct themselves in debates on tv & thus make for a better society.
What a pompous man Pardoe was.
I wonder how things turned out !
Brandon now! They were defeated with a vote of no confidence in early 1979 and Thatcher became Prime Minister
And adding to Sam's comments, one thing that no one foresaw at this stage was a series of public sector strikes over the winter months, dubbed the 'Winter of Discontent,' that made the Govt very unpopular and helped to usher in the Conservatives in the May 1979 election.
Francis Pym. One of the great parliamentary hairstyles.
An out of touch Parliament.
And that was back in 1978.
And 41 years later it was exactly the same.
Not a very well hung parliament....lol
A big big gamble that backfired and now look at the inequality in the UK now after 40 years of Neoliberalism.
Yes Ed but how about some responsible trades unions who put Britain first and not themselves?
There kind of was no alternative. Neoliberalism emerged a product of the contradictions of the post-war collectivist polity and other ideologies were too unorganised to take its place.
If ever more proof was needed to expose these parasites then I am at a loss. NO M.P. Should be able to serve more that one term, 4 years only, to eradicate the career parasites and ‘Deal Makers’ with external lobbyists. Make it an honour to serve the country 4 years only...then OUT!👉
So who would lead each political party into the next election? By your argument, the party leaders would have to stand down rather than fight the election, thus instead of representing constituents and running the country in the last few months before the election, every MP would be winding up business, laying off staff (rough luck on them, eh?) and trying to elect a leader from among candidates who may or may not even hold the seats they will be vacating. Absurd!
I watched this in January 2019. I was only 8 years old at the time of this discussion so obviously was too young to vote etc. I grew up in Birmingham when we had the pub bombings. I am SO glad OUR country had a change after years of 3 day weeks, the dead lying un-buried in the street, et al. I have never liked Labour because, they have NEVER liked or represented people like me! My kind used to be called the "honest, working classes". Mrs Thatcher, DID understand the HONEST, classes. People of Values, of integrity.
Three day week happened under Heath.
We had bombings under both Conservative and Labour Governments. And during the so called winter of discontent, the dead did not lie unburied in the streets. The gravediggers in Liverpool were on strike very briefly.
@@teviottilehurst but because of Union abuse of power seeking to undermine democracy. Scargill tried it again in 1984/5 but the tables were turned on him!
Go check your political history and try again. You are incorrect, so the fact you are a Thatcherite is of no surprise to me
I started secondary school in North Birmingham in 1969.
I also saw the abysmal failure of Labour as they pandered to their anarchy union mates, forever on strike.
The car industry at Longbridge was in perpetual chaos just like all the other rust bucket, state industries.
Hugely overmanned, rubbish cars, no profits...kept going by pumping in taxpayer's cash. An utter shambles.
Is the presenter a wannabe Robin Day?
Llew Gardner was a Thames TV broadcaster and much better than Robin Day in my opinion.
@@johnking5174 Agreed. Robin Day was a show pony who wanted as much as the spotlight as his interviewees. Llew was much more comfortable in his own skin and was more effective imo
AHHH THE GOOD OLD 70s, NOW THE SHOES ON THE OTHER FOOT, THE TORY GOV WILL HANG ON TO POWER FOR GRIM LIFE BY THERE FINGERNAILS !
A GENERAL ELECTION WILL WIPE OUT MPS IN BOTH PARTIES
Your view now?
@@christophergeeves4212 (S)he doesn't have one. This person is just as deluded and hubristic as Swinson, and am glad that such a sham of a party as the LDs even lost seats in Westminster.
@@CaradhrasAiguo49. We have a Tory government who just voted not to give free school meals to poorest kids in the country during half term, but whatever, if kids must starve to own the Libs, that's a price worth paying?