Very informative... I like this channel because he shows the stuff that makes sense and within budget of a lot of people. Anyone can make video and recommend expensive stuff but a very few make good videos about reasonably priced components that perform like the expensive stuff
For those wondering...when it comes to Gaming, Without Dram is Absolutely not an issue at all...The SSD is Only gonna Write games Content Sparingly (Installation, Patches, Mods & Save files) unless you're using an Ultimately Worn out Dram-less that just chokes up Hardcore when Writing you're not gonna notice the Drive being anyway slower due to lacking Cache memory. For Gaming you are Mainly gonna be Reading primarily from the drive over and over again, so the Performance gain for having that Dram is Miniscule, on the order of just nanoseconds of difference, that is if the one with the Dram is a super High end. AGAIN this is for Gaming only. But when it comes to Heavy work loads like Editing, Graphic Designing it's a whole different story, but still...we can even be talking industrial wise.
Newer dram less nvme actually uses system ram as cache. So they are not dram less technically speaking. But I’m not sure if this kingston nv1 has that feature.
@@mucaaco1 Yeah it's Called HMB meaning "Host Memory Buffer" they Automatically uses the System's RAM which can sometimes be faster than an SSD with a DRAM now depending on the Hosts RAM that is.
But there are Systems that doesn't Support HMB like the PS5...as Sony Clearly stated in their FAQ that The PS5 doesn't support HMB, so these are cases that the SSD even with the Support of HMB will completely rely on their DRAM-LESS mode which is all about using the Flash memory independently
I wrote 1.1tb on timetec; temperature rose to 69 max and speed stayed at 1gb/s. Very impressive results. I just got confused and stopped the tests because this is way more then I will ever write on SSD in one run on regular use. It was Timetec M.2 2tb SLC drive.
Beautiful video and thank you for showing the performance. With DRAM is clearly better but now I know that it isn't super duper big. I can wait a few more seconds. :)
You cant really. The DRAM ssd in this test is quite a bit faster than the dramless ssd even before the dram comes into play. If he used ssd with the same speed and then compare dram vs dramless it would be way more useful and more realistic.
There’s no drawback with dramless unless maybe you copy lots of data and it has no good hbm In this video he tested one of the slowest m2 ssd on the market against an average gen 3 Ssd Ssds without dram are not limited to low read and write speeds, neither are they limited to a low totalbytes written or to QLC Most gen 4 ssds have no dram and have over 7000mb, 600-750tb per TB so up to 1500TBW on a 2tb model and TLC And theres less heat sources, as seen in the video the dramless one has much lower temps and you can imagine how a 2x as fast ssd will thermal throttle wich means dramless throttles less so they can keep higher speeds for a longer time
Great video! In regards to your crystal disk mark results, however, the first line you compared is a theoretical yield. You should be comparing the second line as it represents the real world value.
Thank you for the comparison! Now I see the Kingston NV2 is available. Have you reviewed this newer model? How do you think it compares to the Timetec? The NV2 is currently the same price as the Timetec in my region.
The NV2 is a PCIe 4 drive, if connected to a PCIe 4 port, it should perform faster then the NV1 but I'm not sure if it will be faster then the Timetec because the NV2 also doesn't have cache.
Sorry, but isn't the increase speed that shown because of the faster speed of the timetec ssd not because of the DRAM ? You should test two equal speeds of ssd's to see thd real different ?
@@KnowledgeSharingTech Hi, maybe I missed it, but if not, I think it's a great idea to include that info so we can have a relative test situation. Thanks for replying!
DRAM feature only matters if your CPU also using the PCIe bandwidth while writing to SSD. Being able to hand over small random files quickly to SSD while dealing with other workload allows CPU to be more efficient.
@@sentience3033 SSD is slower than CPU can push, especially on random. So if CPU can dump data chunks to SSD DRAM, there is no wait for CPU and PCIe bus. CPU can handle other tasks on PCIe bus while DRAM takes care of the data chunk going into SSD. For each WRITE, SSD has to find a place to write, if there is already data in that place, the old data has to be read, location is wiped, then new data and old data is written together at designated location. All to evenly wear the SSD life at all cells. DRAM helps there. If PC RAM has to be used for the process, you can imagine how the load on bus is multiple times of SSD with DRAM.
@@SheetFiber depends on external connection speed. USB is slower than most SSD, but as USB gets faster, DRAM can help. All about relative speed. USB has very high CPU overhead just from waiting for USB vs PCIE bus.
There's some pretty fast nvmes without dram now, do you think they would beat out slower dram drives? for example Patriot Memory Viper VP4300 Lite is currently on sale for about the same price as a teamgroup mp34, can't decide which one would be better as a boot drive.
i just purchased 2x Crucial P3 Gen4 M2 drives, one for OS+some games, the other for storage...now im finding out people dont like these for a boot drive...do i really need to get another 150+ M2 with dram? Im upgrading from a Crucial 120gb first gen SSD ive been using for 10 years now lol
No you don't need to get another SSD. The P3+ (Gen 4) is very fast. But, to benefit from its full speed, you need to make sure you install it in a PCIe Gen 4 slot and that your CPU supports PCIe 4
@@KnowledgeSharingTech ok I understand. I ask because I like the way you do the reviews. Sometimes we just buy according to speed and we left behind quality and durability. On the other hand, some nvme like Samsung or western digital are so expensive for what they are.It ir great you look un the budget market.
This is exactly what I need, thanks a lot. I just wish anyone could test Dram vs Dramless NVME on a USB enclosure. Since I love my cable-less enclosure that works on Android as well (which I just bought). I heard HMB doesn't work on USB. I just want to find out if Dram affects performance since this m480 pro will go to my system. If $100 2TB m370 works just as well vs $170 2TB m480 pro on USB enclosure, I might just pick a cheap Dramless PCIE 3 one (and no, dram PCIE 3 SSDs are rare & costly here, c730 is $150)
The Kingston nvme.2 of mine can't handle running windows as main drive and my games on orther drives my windows chokes on running windows and games and will often crash windows and overheat... What should I doo.
How about gaming? Could a DRAM-less NVMe cause stuttering in UE5 games? I have a Kingston NV2 500GB DRAM-less drive, and I'm experiencing some stuttering in recent games.
The NV2 is not a fast drive but I doubt it is the culprit. Open Task manager while playing to see what component is hitting 100% constantly, it will most likely be the culprit.
I have a DRAMless SSD m.2 PCIe 4.0 and a DRAM SSD m.2 PCIe 3.0. My motherboard and CPU works at only PCIe 3.0. What should I use for my operative system. The DRAMLESS PCIe 4.0, or the DRAM 3.0
They have some very affordable dual rank sodimm ram that runs at 3200mhz cl22 without having to enable xmp. Many laptops can't usually run 3200mhz because xmp isn't accessible in BIOS. This is plug and play dual rank 3200mhz jdec profile ram. It's got some good timings. I got 2x16gb 2Rx8 for $75 on Amazon. All the reviews say it has either Samsung, micron, or sk hynix chips.
No, you don't have to buy another one with DRAM but you won't have the same performance for file transfer operations. I doubt it will affect Rendering, Gaming and Streaming
I have a DRAM less Crucial P3 as a boot drive and it struggles when extracting huge files using winrar, It goes 100% disc usage instantly and freezes my PC.
My dear dudes, question is how many times an average home user will copy files this big? Not much... Most of the time games and OS will only read from disk so dram-less SSDs are not completely trash also in the long run dram-less ssds are power efficient you might even save some bucks. But if you are running DBs + VMs etc. then these SSDs are no go.
Same as Crucial P5, runs too hot. My P5 in sabrent enclosure in xbox one expansion which is just USB A (therefore maximum around 500 mb/s) is 65 degrees.. Way too hot. Like this one it seems.. I can't imagine how they would cope with sustained full speed LOL.
Well that is also because of the different type of nvme drives. TLC is faster than QLC. So this is not an equal testing of the drives. Hate to say it but it sounds like you are shilling for Timtec.
That's what I was thinking as well. The TimeTec has almost 2x faster read/write speed and has DRAM as well as the difference you pointed out between tlc/qlc. These 2 have way more variables than just DRAM going on but I appreciate the effort to make good content. I believe it's possible for him to do well on TH-cam.
Considering M.2 drives are frequently used in Laptops and Notebooks, low power, low heat is a Must. Any M.2 NVMe that runs hot and wastes power is no good for making the best use of your laptop battery run time...
Damn, dude... you cherry picked both SSDs. An inferior and way slower DRAMless QLC versus a TLC w/ DRAM... get two SLC a DRAMLESS and a DRAM w/ same speed and you can make a FAIR comparison... Kingston has some faster SSDs, you just picked the worst entry level one.
This is a bad test really, as you're not comparing DRAM vs DRAMless so much as two drives that are totally different rated speeds. For a proper test do two drives that are rated at the same speeds, but one with DRAM. You'll find copying large files to the DRAMless to be the main difference. It's a write buffer after all, reading shouldn't be much different.
Excellent video. I love that you did a variety of tests. Thank you for your work! Subscribed!
Thanks for the sub!
thank you for actually testing the SSDs instead of just launching a bunch of games and calling it a test like many other youtubers do
Very informative... I like this channel because he shows the stuff that makes sense and within budget of a lot of people. Anyone can make video and recommend expensive stuff but a very few make good videos about reasonably priced components that perform like the expensive stuff
Very informative. This is exactly the video I was looking for. You earned a sub.
Thanks for the Sub!
For those wondering...when it comes to Gaming, Without Dram is Absolutely not an issue at all...The SSD is Only gonna Write games Content Sparingly (Installation, Patches, Mods & Save files) unless you're using an Ultimately Worn out Dram-less that just chokes up Hardcore when Writing you're not gonna notice the Drive being anyway slower due to lacking Cache memory. For Gaming you are Mainly gonna be Reading primarily from the drive over and over again, so the Performance gain for having that Dram is Miniscule, on the order of just nanoseconds of difference, that is if the one with the Dram is a super High end. AGAIN this is for Gaming only. But when it comes to Heavy work loads like Editing, Graphic Designing it's a whole different story, but still...we can even be talking industrial wise.
Newer dram less nvme actually uses system ram as cache. So they are not dram less technically speaking. But I’m not sure if this kingston nv1 has that feature.
@@mucaaco1 Yeah it's Called HMB meaning "Host Memory Buffer" they Automatically uses the System's RAM which can sometimes be faster than an SSD with a DRAM now depending on the Hosts RAM that is.
But there are Systems that doesn't Support HMB like the PS5...as Sony Clearly stated in their FAQ that The PS5 doesn't support HMB, so these are cases that the SSD even with the Support of HMB will completely rely on their DRAM-LESS mode which is all about using the Flash memory independently
the only video on the topic on all of youtube that hasn't been a total waste of time
this gentleman makes such detailed amazing videos you can never go wrong with his information , Thanks
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I wrote 1.1tb on timetec; temperature rose to 69 max and speed stayed at 1gb/s. Very impressive results. I just got confused and stopped the tests because this is way more then I will ever write on SSD in one run on regular use. It was Timetec M.2 2tb SLC drive.
Beautiful video and thank you for showing the performance. With DRAM is clearly better but now I know that it isn't super duper big.
I can wait a few more seconds. :)
Thank you amigo! Your explanation is clear and goes straight to the point.
thanks a lot for the real world tests
This is the video I've been looking for. We can see what are the drawbacks if you decide to buy a DRAMless SSDs. Thank you sir.
You cant really. The DRAM ssd in this test is quite a bit faster than the dramless ssd even before the dram comes into play. If he used ssd with the same speed and then compare dram vs dramless it would be way more useful and more realistic.
There’s no drawback with dramless unless maybe you copy lots of data and it has no good hbm
In this video he tested one of the slowest m2 ssd on the market against an average gen 3 Ssd
Ssds without dram are not limited to low read and write speeds, neither are they limited to a low totalbytes written or to QLC
Most gen 4 ssds have no dram and have over 7000mb, 600-750tb per TB so up to 1500TBW on a 2tb model and TLC
And theres less heat sources, as seen in the video the dramless one has much lower temps and you can imagine how a 2x as fast ssd will thermal throttle wich means dramless throttles less so they can keep higher speeds for a longer time
My personal experience with a DRAMless SSDs was bit slower to load the games
Excellent review, extremely useful, thank you !
great comparison, appreciate the work.
So, which one more recommend for graphic design/video editing? With or without DRAM? What difference?
understand the video so you can decide with your new knowledge.
dont ask for what is best or good bec at the end, your decision is the best
i love your clarity
Great test with clear comparison - thank you.
Welcome
Tx for the helpful video. It would be great to have a similar comparison between TLC vs QLC NVME.
Great suggestion!
Useful video. Thanks!😀
Glad to hear that!
Thank you this is the exact drive I wanted to see a review on as it's so cheap for 2TB.. Wanted it in NVME enclosure for PS5 storage. Cheers!
It's not sure that it's compatible with PS5. I forget where I saw this, so I advise you to do search before buying.
@@theroc1000 I ended up with the kingston K 2500 or K3000, one of the two, with 2 terabytes. it's been great and passed all of Sony's tests.
You do realise I wrote that 10 months ago, right? LOL. @@theroc1000
Thanks for the video!
Thnx rly useful comparison
Good Video - Thank you Sir.
Humble reviewer!
Great video sir, really clear and informative
Glad you liked it
Great video! In regards to your crystal disk mark results, however, the first line you compared is a theoretical yield. You should be comparing the second line as it represents the real world value.
Thank you for the comparison! Now I see the Kingston NV2 is available. Have you reviewed this newer model? How do you think it compares to the Timetec? The NV2 is currently the same price as the Timetec in my region.
The NV2 is a PCIe 4 drive, if connected to a PCIe 4 port, it should perform faster then the NV1 but I'm not sure if it will be faster then the Timetec because the NV2 also doesn't have cache.
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nice testing.
Really good video.
Very informative. Big up.
Thanks. Is there more videos like this like that compare various qualities of SSD with and without dram in real game and OS load times?
Welcome, take a look at this playlist: th-cam.com/play/PL3qGVpWh7QbOSxuAed5DV8Bwi80ji3CVS.html
@@KnowledgeSharingTech
I'd really like to see Solidigm P44 Pro verses Solidigm P41 Plus.
I'd also be curious how boot times in Linux are effected.
Good video! Thanks
Thank you too!
Sorry, but isn't the increase speed that shown because of the faster speed of the timetec ssd not because of the DRAM ?
You should test two equal speeds of ssd's to see thd real different ?
great video brother
Thank you
Thank you very much you help me alot
Sorry for yet another comment.. My friend can I please ask.. what enclosure did you have inside for testing? Or in PC desktop? Any heatsink? Thanks!
No worries, it was in a desktop without any heat sink
@@KnowledgeSharingTech Hi, maybe I missed it, but if not, I think it's a great idea to include that info so we can have a relative test situation. Thanks for replying!
Thanks sir 🔥🙏🙏
DRAM feature only matters if your CPU also using the PCIe bandwidth while writing to SSD. Being able to hand over small random files quickly to SSD while dealing with other workload allows CPU to be more efficient.
How do we know that CPU is using PCIe bandwidth?
@@sentience3033 SSD is slower than CPU can push, especially on random. So if CPU can dump data chunks to SSD DRAM, there is no wait for CPU and PCIe bus. CPU can handle other tasks on PCIe bus while DRAM takes care of the data chunk going into SSD. For each WRITE, SSD has to find a place to write, if there is already data in that place, the old data has to be read, location is wiped, then new data and old data is written together at designated location. All to evenly wear the SSD life at all cells. DRAM helps there. If PC RAM has to be used for the process, you can imagine how the load on bus is multiple times of SSD with DRAM.
@@Soravia I have 16GB of Ram DDR4 so will that help the SSD to write or what I want to say Is My Ram can act as a DRAM for SSD?
@@Soravia does dram still give benefit for an external ssd? Or is it pointless as it goes through usb not pci-e slot.
@@SheetFiber depends on external connection speed. USB is slower than most SSD, but as USB gets faster, DRAM can help. All about relative speed. USB has very high CPU overhead just from waiting for USB vs PCIE bus.
There's some pretty fast nvmes without dram now, do you think they would beat out slower dram drives? for example Patriot Memory Viper VP4300 Lite is currently on sale for about the same price as a teamgroup mp34, can't decide which one would be better as a boot drive.
i just purchased 2x Crucial P3 Gen4 M2 drives, one for OS+some games, the other for storage...now im finding out people dont like these for a boot drive...do i really need to get another 150+ M2 with dram? Im upgrading from a Crucial 120gb first gen SSD ive been using for 10 years now lol
No you don't need to get another SSD. The P3+ (Gen 4) is very fast. But, to benefit from its full speed, you need to make sure you install it in a PCIe Gen 4 slot and that your CPU supports PCIe 4
@@KnowledgeSharingTech thank you, my mobo does have PCIe4, i have a MSI z690 mag tomahawk ddr5 version and im using an i7-12700k
Does it affect fps in games though?
Great video. And what do you think about the 2 tb NV2 Kingston?
Didn't try it yet but I think it will be faster then the NV1 but not necessarily faster then the TimeTec
@@KnowledgeSharingTech ok I understand. I ask because I like the way you do the reviews. Sometimes we just buy according to speed and we left behind quality and durability. On the other hand, some nvme like Samsung or western digital are so expensive for what they are.It ir great you look un the budget market.
Very informative video
Glad you think so!
This is exactly what I need, thanks a lot.
I just wish anyone could test Dram vs Dramless NVME on a USB enclosure. Since I love my cable-less enclosure that works on Android as well (which I just bought).
I heard HMB doesn't work on USB. I just want to find out if Dram affects performance since this m480 pro will go to my system. If $100 2TB m370 works just as well vs $170 2TB m480 pro on USB enclosure, I might just pick a cheap Dramless PCIE 3 one (and no, dram PCIE 3 SSDs are rare & costly here, c730 is $150)
Maybe this can help: M.2 NVMe external enclosure tool free, installation, speed & heat tests
th-cam.com/video/In9VdUmgR3Y/w-d-xo.html
The item linked to Amazon does NOT have a Dram cache. May want to check again.
In what country are you located? The link for Amazon (com, ca and de) is right
i just looked and it DOES mention 2 gig DRAM
The Kingston nvme.2 of mine can't handle running windows as main drive and my games on orther drives my windows chokes on running windows and games and will often crash windows and overheat... What should I doo.
It may have an error. I advise to contact Kingston
Can you give full name of stress test or link for program from 4:56?
Cipher is a built-in command in Windows. Check it out in this video: th-cam.com/video/7d01t4dUNLM/w-d-xo.html
Hi Team,
Is DRAM too hot when running? Where temperature come from in SSD drive?
It runs hot but not too hot
How about gaming? Could a DRAM-less NVMe cause stuttering in UE5 games? I have a Kingston NV2 500GB DRAM-less drive, and I'm experiencing some stuttering in recent games.
The NV2 is not a fast drive but I doubt it is the culprit. Open Task manager while playing to see what component is hitting 100% constantly, it will most likely be the culprit.
I have a DRAMless SSD m.2 PCIe 4.0 and a DRAM SSD m.2 PCIe 3.0. My motherboard and CPU works at only PCIe 3.0. What should I use for my operative system. The DRAMLESS PCIe 4.0, or the DRAM 3.0
The 3.0 with Dram
very helpful video
Thanks, I'm glad it helped!
What about a fast dramless ssd like Ace MG7 vs a Slower Dram Ssd like S41 XPG? What should I pick?
Check out this: th-cam.com/video/YZxlhKIBVh0/w-d-xo.html
How has the TimeTec NVMe held up? I only found this brand while searching for 2TB NVMe drives. Seems too good to be true, so I'm a bit hesitant.
Been using it as my main drive since I got it and it is working great
They have some very affordable dual rank sodimm ram that runs at 3200mhz cl22 without having to enable xmp. Many laptops can't usually run 3200mhz because xmp isn't accessible in BIOS. This is plug and play dual rank 3200mhz jdec profile ram. It's got some good timings. I got 2x16gb 2Rx8 for $75 on Amazon. All the reviews say it has either Samsung, micron, or sk hynix chips.
I bought Kingston snv2s/2000g but the dram issue confused me, do you think I need to buy another m2? (For rendering, streaming and gaming)
No, you don't have to buy another one with DRAM but you won't have the same performance for file transfer operations. I doubt it will affect Rendering, Gaming and Streaming
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You're welcome 😊
so what are the best and cheapest nvme currently that actually have DRam?
The timetech that is in this video and the TeamGroup 2TB: amzn.to/3SRwVqA
@@KnowledgeSharingTech thank you so much, this seems like a good video topic by the way
DRAM is important for SSDs
To function well
I have a DRAM less Crucial P3 as a boot drive and it struggles when extracting huge files using winrar, It goes 100% disc usage instantly and freezes my PC.
What is the speed it extract the file at?
My dear dudes, question is how many times an average home user will copy files this big? Not much... Most of the time games and OS will only read from disk so dram-less SSDs are not completely trash also in the long run dram-less ssds are power efficient you might even save some bucks. But if you are running DBs + VMs etc. then these SSDs are no go.
What about samsung ssd 970 evo plus .. does it have dram ?
yea
my dramless nvme now boots almost exactly as fast as the one with dram here
Same as Crucial P5, runs too hot. My P5 in sabrent enclosure in xbox one expansion which is just USB A (therefore maximum around 500 mb/s) is 65 degrees.. Way too hot. Like this one it seems.. I can't imagine how they would cope with sustained full speed LOL.
Can you launch some apps for test too? For example, browser with a lot of tabs and big Excel file
Noted
Well that is also because of the different type of nvme drives. TLC is faster than QLC. So this is not an equal testing of the drives. Hate to say it but it sounds like you are shilling for Timtec.
That's not really a test of SSD with DRAM vs SSD without DRAM, but a test TLC vs QLC.
Sorry, the 1TB version has NO Dram cache
idk. you seem to be comparing a high end ssd and a cheap ssd. so this comparison make nonsense
just got a 1TB teamgroup MP34 SSD for $48.99. Hopefully it's as good if not better than what you tested.
This should be a fast SSD! Good choice
@@KnowledgeSharingTech keep up the good work. a lot of channels do not cater to the asian markets.
I have NV2 3500mb 👍🏼
I think this is about qlc vs tlc not dramless that makes this disk this much slower...
Kingston usando QLC?, que poca, tan caros que son y economisan demasiado, sus discos ya son de poca vida util entonces.
To be honest this is not equal comparison. (TLC vs QLC , no doubt TLC will be fast.) and read n write speed also not equal.
That's what I was thinking as well. The TimeTec has almost 2x faster read/write speed and has DRAM as well as the difference you pointed out between tlc/qlc. These 2 have way more variables than just DRAM going on but I appreciate the effort to make good content. I believe it's possible for him to do well on TH-cam.
With the similar price range, it's equal comparison
Considering M.2 drives are frequently used in Laptops and Notebooks, low power, low heat is a Must.
Any M.2 NVMe that runs hot and wastes power is no good for making the best use of your laptop battery run time...
RAM : am i joke to you? 🤣
v interesting
timetec ya es vieja, ya le he usado desde hace 8 años
Damn, dude... you cherry picked both SSDs. An inferior and way slower DRAMless QLC versus a TLC w/ DRAM... get two SLC a DRAMLESS and a DRAM w/ same speed and you can make a FAIR comparison... Kingston has some faster SSDs, you just picked the worst entry level one.
Thanks for your message. The comparison is based on the price. It shows that you can get much more for your money with the same budget.
@@KnowledgeSharingTech Using that pov, yea... but an idea would make two same speed ssds, one w/ dram and one dramless.
only buy with dram cache; or you gonna regret later;
This is a bad test really, as you're not comparing DRAM vs DRAMless so much as two drives that are totally different rated speeds. For a proper test do two drives that are rated at the same speeds, but one with DRAM. You'll find copying large files to the DRAMless to be the main difference. It's a write buffer after all, reading shouldn't be much different.
My dramless SATA SSD boots in 15 seconds.... so this proves nothing but two drives with different read/write speeds not a dram vs dramless comparison.
It proves "something".
Anyway did you watch the video?