now I just have to figure out why my Sabrent Gen43 nvme is getting 6.7GB/s sequential read and ONLY 871MB/s sequential write... probably because there is less than 100GB free space??? It's gonna be a long day while I try to figure this one out :/
1) The reason why an SSD slows down when you are writing huge amounts of data to it (50 GB or more, depending on the drive -- could slow down at 100 GB), is because most SSDs have two types of NANDs. A 1-TB QLC SSD (which is slow) might have a 50 GB cache which is made from MLC NANDs. So as long as you do not write more than 50 GB without rest, you will see super fast performance. But once you fill up that cache, then your data will be forced to write to the slow QLC NANDs, and your performance will take a huge hit. When the drive is not busy writing new data, it copies the data from the MLC NANDs to the QLC NANDs, which it does in the background. It is invisible to the user. So your 50 GB of fast MLC NANDs is nearly always available for new data. So your QLC SSD will seem just as fast as some enterprise SLC SSD. When you write a few hundred megabytes, whether it takes 0.1 seconds or 0.3 seconds, you will not notice. You only need an SLC or MLC SSD if you will be writing 50+ GB to it without rest. Or that number might be 100 GB, or 30 GB. It depends on the SSD, and that information is never available (I have never been able to find it). And larger SSDs tend to have larger caches. 2) Unless you are on a mission to wear out your SSD, you will never wear out your SSD. One type of crypt-o mining (Chia) uses temporary storage (usually an NVMe SSD), and writes terabytes of data to it without rest. Some people have been writing to their SSDs for nearly a year, without rest, and the drives keep working at full speed. Even software that reports that the drive is warn out is only a hard-coded warning, based on the terabytes written. Apparently, the SSD manufacturers played it safe with their reporting. For standard computer office work, or gaming, or social media activity, etc, you will never wear out your SSD. Your SSD could fail. But it is not because you wore it out. Cheers!
@@marco31 I believe that that is a great SSD. You, unfortunately, got a lemon. Are you using a good uninterruptible power supply (UPS) to protect your computer's components from power issues? One too many zaps could damage any part of a computer. Even low voltages (sags) are bad.
@@marco31 Like everything else, there are cheap-o UPS's, and there are commercial grade and hospital grade UPS's, and everything in between. On the lowest end, they do nearly nothing other than switch to batteries when the power is extremely bad or out. They do not protect your equipment from strong surges or under voltages. They basically are good for getting you through a short blackout. But the lemon theory is probably the case. I've been there.
No shit. I think everyone who is subscribed is the "go to" computer guy. Thio is more like the guy that computer guys go to when they have computer issues
For example he left out extremely critical information from the chart. If you look at the chart before he modified it, you will note that two drives on the left side are x4, with one on the right being x2. So for example, on the left, the chart is also comparing the HMB functionality between x2 and x4. It’s fairly obvious that double the PCIe bandwidth while using the HMB functionality has a huge impact on performance. It’s not like this was difficult information to spot either. There are errors like this in these videos literally all the time from my experience.
The problem is when reviewed they may have desirable spec parts, then they change them to cheaper. That's why they obscure the specs as a legal loophole. This has been a general problem with less & less information provided to users
I have a weird drive. 2tb ssd and its QLC, however its set up so 128gb is SLC and used as sdram cache. As the drive fills, the cache gets smaller and converted back to QLC. I'm not sure if I like it or not.
thank you for the awesome info spoilers: TLC = boot drive QLC = Storage though i still use a SATA-SSD like mx500 for old school 4C-4T systems and it still rocks
@@CaptainScorpio24 Depends on the use. They're great for internal storage, but the Pro drives are faster and more durable than the EVOs, making them better for boot drives. However, if price if your deciding factor then EVOs fine for boot drives.
@@wildbill4496 I'm using Samsung 850 Evo 250gb since 2015 for boot programs n games. 7 yrs has been passed n it still works like day 1. Gona buy nvme top end 970 Evo 2 tb for my newly built 12th Gen i7
Thank you for going beyond a consumer drive's box and mentioning the why for various technologies. Really didn't expect to also see enterprise level drive features mentioned when I started this video but it is a good addition.
Your videos are really informative and great. I would like to suggest you look into PCH vs CPU based PCIe and how that relates to your PCIe lanes available to the SSD as most consumer CPUs have a total 24 CPU-PCIe lanes (GPU-16+NVMe-4+PCH/South Bridge-4). The PCH offers PCIe lanes almost 20 but through the bottle neck of x4 usually on Ryzen x570 boards or similar in intel land. Not sure if you covered this topic but I think its a little risky to say just plug in any PCIe NVMe adapter, you could end up throttling your other components with out realizing it. Less SSD anatomy and more SSD ecosystem.
Useful video, appreciate it. Please speak about RAID 0 and RAID 1 in SSDs because I've dug through the internet yet I couldn't completely understand the concept and what goes around benefits and non and what should I be looking for. Speak about other RAIDs please and I noticed that RAID 0 is found in performance laptops such as ASUS ROG Scar series. Hope you learn something too. Thanks again for the informative video.
Good video with plenty of details I didn't know about. Still, there are two things I keep hearing in many places and have to disagree. 1) Write endurance depends on which technology is used (QLC, SLC aso), what capacity drive you have and what you do with your computer. When I bought my first M.2 NVme I read about write endurance, googled estimates about average writes for home use and ended up with realizing that even a 1Tb QLC should last something like 14 years of normal use unless it breaks from other reasons. A 2Tb drive I would last even longer - theoretically twice as long. I would avoid smaller than 1Tb QLC drives if you remove/install large software like games often. If you just surf the web and do some office stuff so most of the drive remains empty and less cells are written to, a 500Gb QLC has more write endurance you'll likely ever need. 2) Not requiring users to change passwords was done, because people are lazy. The proper way is to have a password manager so you don't have to remember passwords and don't use simple ones. Changing them is still a good practice, though less important some old guidelines made it sound.
As a professional IT tech for over 30 years, it is my opinion that no one should need to worry about this theoretical TBW nonsense unless you are a power user or in a data storage service business. QLC NAND being used as a boot drive will likely last far longer than a mechanical hard drive and far longer than the other components in the system. When an SSD runs out of 'writes', it becomes READ ONLY. It does not FAIL. If you showed us REAL examples proving your point on camera in REALITY, that would be far more beneficial. DRAM on an SSD is of no interest to the average consumer. This is purely a power-user need, which makes up less than 10% of all computer owners. Would have enjoyed a dose of reality in this video, or at least acknowledge that this information applies to less than 10% of all computer owners and WHY.
@J M No issue there. Just feel like a disclaimer would have been nice that the information is not critical or important to 90%+ of computer owners. This is enthusiast level information. The issue is it often leads to people over-spending for things they don't need because they don't understand why this information is important. Most people do not use their computers in a way that this information would be of any benefit to them, in my experience in this industry. I've had to explain to consumers that they mis-understood the content and that the content did not apply to them. It made things overly complicated, caused unnecessary expenses and created anxiety because there was no disclaimer or full disclosure as to who this information was intended for.
Already knew to avoid anything below TLC and DRAMless SSDs, but good to know to avoid open channel SSDs as well. I dont think you touched the fact that having CPU do the job instead of specialized chip on the SSD would mean lot more CPU overhead, don't like that idea at all.
Hello, Isn’t HMB the same as enabling the ’stop flushing write cache’ settings in the Strategy tab for each storage in the device manager? I wonder what’s the differences between HMB, not flushing write cache and similar proprietary features you can activate through the manufacturer software, like Samsung Magician’s RAPID mode.
Sorry Thio Joe already knew all of this. Types of SSD due to researching. Layers Per Cell due to your video 'How much longer does an SSD last' (Also Nand Flash). Dram due to Linus tech tips. HBM-ZNS-Open Channel-EWA due to this video of yours 😉
It’s not cheap enough to buy QLC drives at this point. 25% cheaper but loses almost half of the TBW and a lot less sustained read&write, I’d rather get a TCL drive.
For normal use a Dram Less will work just great and Host memory buffer is not needed because if your PC crashes there is a higher chance of file corruption.
Not sure what DRAM is but ALL my SSDs work perfectly..I like them they are like the modern cassette tapes of the PC world, You can get a slot to stick them much like how you stick cassettes into the players..Very convenient vs having to open up the PC all the time and hoping you got enough space on the board to add a HDD when you wanna add one.
You should mention data integrity and performance consistency. Dram SSDs are insanely better in terms of performance and life expectancy but in the case of NVMEs the differences due to much faster speeds and HBM technology is not that noticeable, at least not in average everyday scenarios. Still dram drives still have much better life expectancy in terms of TBW(terabytes written) or years of warranty. Another bennefit of Dram drives is that they do not drop their performance as much when an SSD is almost full. You have to be aware that the bigger the SSD the performance tend to be faster. On the other hand the fullest the drive is, it's performance but also it's lifespan shortens. So especially for main drives avoid small and dramless drives. Your data will be at higher risk, especially with cheaper QLC drives. The other missing part was about the voltage. DRAM drives draw more energy and tend to make SSDs and NVMEs hotter. I think this is the only drawback of dram drives: they need to be cooled and heatsink most of the time is not included and has to be taken separately. Thankfully some motherboards do have heatsinks.
I'm shopping online to buy a new budget desktop PC from Dell; something I would use for word processing, light web surfing, some email. I'm a senior citizen and Dell offers four (4) hard drive options on the desktop PC I'm looking at. They offer a 1TB HDD, a 256 SSD, a 512 SSD, and a 1TB + 512 SSD all in one HD. I don't know what brands of HD's Dell uses but the 1TB HDD is the cheapest of the four (4) drives. The 256 SSD is the next priced higher, the 512 SSD is next and finally the 1TB HDD + 512 SSD is the most expensive option. Could I get by with a 1TB HDD or should I buy a new desktop PC configured with a 256 SSD? Thank you for any positive feedback you might agree to offer on HD options.
For basic word processing and stuff, 256GB is likely definitely sufficient. If you can afford it, I'd always recommend going with an SSD over a hard drive for the main drive, because it's really a big difference in speed and responsiveness.
@@ThioJoe Thanks for the reply. Do you know much about Intel processors? Based upon my needs I can't decide on an i3, an i5, or an i7 which would probably be overkill for my basic computer needs. Could I get by with an i3 processor or spend more money for an i5 processor? Computer memory, 4GB, 8GB, or 12GB?
@@Bigstevoreno0655 An i3 is good enough for regular use (they've had 4 cores for a while now). More ram is better. I would not get less than 8GB. I don't know why they even sell computer with only 4GB these days.
DRAM-less? Lol That chart is a bit sketchy to use here, because I think the fact that three of those drives are PCIe x4, while the other half are PCIe x2, MIGHT have something to do with the disparities - not surprisingly, each X4 Drive is generally far ahead. 11:55 the blue bar is x4
Pretty sure SSDs slow down because their read/write speeds are benchmarked including the DRAM or HMB and that's why they slow down, because eventually the memory fills up temporarily.
@ThioJoe you did not mention Active State Power Management, which is a feature with various levels of support depending on the specific model. With support for low power modes V1.1, 1.2 or V1.3, you can get extremely low idle power usage (
Everyone seems to fuss about TBW limits, but I've only ever seen one dead SSD and that was a very old SSD that got moved around a lot - were not even sure if it died because of flash saturation, it might have been physical damage or shorted. I've seen stacks of dead HDDs, some lasting only a year. Not to mention DOA rates seem to be much lower in my personal experience.
Thanks a lot for this video... Now I understand why it takes so much time to write a python programming folder to an SSD, cause they are pretty small files..
I have a NVR surveillance system that takes a max 12TB Surveillance hard drive and have tried several but are so noisy they were returned. Is there a SDD that is equivalent to a 12TB but reasonably priced? THX!
Consumer drives that support NVME Namespaces in general is very low and it requires OS/Application support. Zoned Namespaces takes this namespace feature one step further for enterprises.
What happens when system variables like %Appdata% are set to a location on the D drive. Would you recommend this as a way to save C drive space on hybrid laptops like mine, which have a tiny SSD for windows and a big HDD?
Look at "My Awesome apartment", "Revealing My Secrets", "I built a Home Server" , There are lots of vids of his Apt since he moved to Arizona. He has a great Bar in his living room. !
I'm wondering which SSD setup you'd recommend. I currently have a 2tb 970 Evo and wanna upgrade to the 980 Pro. Just Windows and software on one smaller drive and games, video files etc on another larger one?
@@CaptainScorpio24 I don’t care what’s in the future. My point was just if it would make sense getting 2 separate drives (one for OS and basic software, the other for games, stuff I edit etc) with or a single large drive
@@RealThore yeah go ahead. windows n programs on 1 and other things on large 2tb currently i hv 850 and 860 250gb setups in tge similar way since yrs. will buy a 2tb m.2 for the same and replaced one of my as external
Your channel is the best for me! I love your videos. However, I had a suggestion, could you please make videos faster? I stay thrilled for each of your videos and get impatient!
Quality > quantity For me one high quality video per week is alright. Thio's videos often are longer than like 10 minutes, and the longer the video is, the more you have to research, prepare and record, so higher frequency could kind of force less quality and just stress Thio, making him hate what he liked to do.
so generally less capacity = more endurance. maybe I should buy 120gb ssd as the "write" tasks (temp folder, firefox/chrome profile, downloads, pagefile etc) am I getting this right?
No more capacity equals more endurance all other things being equal. Having more nand cells due to the larger capacity means it has more cells use for garbage collection and wear leveling. Its proportional though so same drive all things equal besides capacity the 2TB drive will have double the endurance of the 1 TB
Hello, I don't know why, my Intel 540 240GB Series with MLC was constantly micro freezing my Windows (for a few fractions of seconds mouse cursor and Windows in general was freezing almost all the time). And it happened since was new, I bought it in 2015, one of the last ones on stock at the time, but sealed. Life remaining on it dropped pretty fast to 80 and something life, and performed worse than a TLC Kingston that is working perfectly now, no micro stuttering under Windows while moving files, watching TH-cam, saving files, etc.
QLC is good for Long Term Storage TLC is a good middle ground for Runtime and Storage MLC/DLC is great for Runtime and costs more per GB SLC is the best for performance but the most expensive
So all the best art is only worth 1.6 trillion while our government just got done printing like 6.5 trillion over the last year? My god are we in trouble!
I'm trying to get a ssd like m.2. Researched everywhere on product page on amazon, manufacturers website and on web but no f*cking listing tells properly if the ssd have dram. I don't know if I should get a dram less because I have already one of 240gb and I want one big storage now as that is the only storage in my pc. Or should I get a 1tb hdd at half the price???
If you go to read a review of it at enthusiast website like Tom's hardware they will often mention it. Alternatively you can google search pictures of the product and you can tell from the chips on the board whether it has DRAM or not.
Last time I watched thio was how to increase internet speed by wrapping an internet cable to a battery to increase internet speed. Those were desperate times(200kbps) as I actually did that.
Hi guys, uh, so recently, I had this problem with my computer. It happens frequently and it's really annoying. For example, when I watch a random video, the screen captures a random moment of the video, and flickers it on my screen. I tried updating my display and restarting and updating the computer, but nothing seems to work. If someone can lend help, that'll be awesome. Thanks!
You are now an elite level expert 😤
sheesh
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My brother is planning to buy an SSD next month and I can show this vid to him 👍🏻
now I just have to figure out why my Sabrent Gen43 nvme is getting 6.7GB/s sequential read and ONLY 871MB/s sequential write... probably because there is less than 100GB free space??? It's gonna be a long day while I try to figure this one out :/
lol
1)
The reason why an SSD slows down when you are writing huge amounts of data to it (50 GB or more, depending on the drive -- could slow down at 100 GB), is because most SSDs have two types of NANDs.
A 1-TB QLC SSD (which is slow) might have a 50 GB cache which is made from MLC NANDs.
So as long as you do not write more than 50 GB without rest, you will see super fast performance. But once you fill up that cache, then your data will be forced to write to the slow QLC NANDs, and your performance will take a huge hit.
When the drive is not busy writing new data, it copies the data from the MLC NANDs to the QLC NANDs, which it does in the background. It is invisible to the user. So your 50 GB of fast MLC NANDs is nearly always available for new data.
So your QLC SSD will seem just as fast as some enterprise SLC SSD. When you write a few hundred megabytes, whether it takes 0.1 seconds or 0.3 seconds, you will not notice.
You only need an SLC or MLC SSD if you will be writing 50+ GB to it without rest. Or that number might be 100 GB, or 30 GB. It depends on the SSD, and that information is never available (I have never been able to find it). And larger SSDs tend to have larger caches.
2)
Unless you are on a mission to wear out your SSD, you will never wear out your SSD.
One type of crypt-o mining (Chia) uses temporary storage (usually an NVMe SSD), and writes terabytes of data to it without rest. Some people have been writing to their SSDs for nearly a year, without rest, and the drives keep working at full speed. Even software that reports that the drive is warn out is only a hard-coded warning, based on the terabytes written.
Apparently, the SSD manufacturers played it safe with their reporting.
For standard computer office work, or gaming, or social media activity, etc, you will never wear out your SSD.
Your SSD could fail. But it is not because you wore it out.
Cheers!
Why didn't you mention TLC SSDs? They are the most common ones
@@marco31 I believe that that is a great SSD. You, unfortunately, got a lemon.
Are you using a good uninterruptible power supply (UPS) to protect your computer's components from power issues?
One too many zaps could damage any part of a computer. Even low voltages (sags) are bad.
@@marco31 Like everything else, there are cheap-o UPS's, and there are commercial grade and hospital grade UPS's, and everything in between.
On the lowest end, they do nearly nothing other than switch to batteries when the power is extremely bad or out. They do not protect your equipment from strong surges or under voltages. They basically are good for getting you through a short blackout. But the lemon theory is probably the case. I've been there.
same, but the secondary one is 178GB (main one is 79.4GB)
@@marco31 do the mx500gb have dram??? I'm trying to get thus information but nobody tells
Thio is the type of guy everyone goes to for their computer problems
Is that why his earlier videos were the way that they were? To get all the BS out the way?? 🤔😁❤️
No shit. I think everyone who is subscribed is the "go to" computer guy. Thio is more like the guy that computer guys go to when they have computer issues
Gonna have to disagree. I find he frequently has only a very passing knowledge of the subjects he talks about. Entertaining tho
For example he left out extremely critical information from the chart. If you look at the chart before he modified it, you will note that two drives on the left side are x4, with one on the right being x2. So for example, on the left, the chart is also comparing the HMB functionality between x2 and x4.
It’s fairly obvious that double the PCIe bandwidth while using the HMB functionality has a huge impact on performance. It’s not like this was difficult information to spot either. There are errors like this in these videos literally all the time from my experience.
Yes! You mentioned HMB/Open channel! Nobody seems to know about this. Keep rocking it thiojoe, always a step ahead.
The hard thing about choosing an SSD is that the specs of a product are often hard to find. Many websites don't even mention DRAM
If you look at technical sites like Tom's Hardware they will often mention it. Take 5 minutes and go through the (20 pages) article
The problem is when reviewed they may have desirable spec parts, then they change them to cheaper.
That's why they obscure the specs as a legal loophole.
This has been a general problem with less & less information provided to users
I'm super late, but I just went on amazon, when the reviews, and typed dram in the search bar that's close to it. They've usually answered it there.
Perfect timing! I've been debating the type of ssd I need & this Will actually help allot. Thank you👍
man!! this video is GOLD! Thanks for clarifying a lot of question i had.
I remember when i was a kid i thought i could make my xbox 360 an xbox one because of your video. good to see you doing well.
Thanks!
Thank you as well! 🙏
*I've installed an 256 GB NVMe SSD yesterday on my PC and now watching your video!* 😃😃
256GB! I recently installed an 8TB drive in my PC. Envy Me (NVMe), indeed!
I have a weird drive. 2tb ssd and its QLC, however its set up so 128gb is SLC and used as sdram cache. As the drive fills, the cache gets smaller and converted back to QLC. I'm not sure if I like it or not.
I am using SATA SSD with DRAM. It's crucial MX500.
FYI: Linux has had kernel support for HMB since at least 2019 (first time I checked, possibly much earlier) as standard.
thank you for the awesome info
spoilers:
TLC = boot drive
QLC = Storage
though i still use a SATA-SSD like mx500 for old school 4C-4T systems and it still rocks
This was a really informational video 👍
Only if all this information was always on the product's page...
Yea, I hate when a product page doesn't even list the endurance and you have to go hunting for it
As with everything else it comes down to speed and durability vs cost when choosing and SSD.
Evos r best
@@CaptainScorpio24 Depends on the use. They're great for internal storage, but the Pro drives are faster and more durable than the EVOs, making them better for boot drives. However, if price if your deciding factor then EVOs fine for boot drives.
@@wildbill4496 I'm using Samsung 850 Evo 250gb since 2015 for boot programs n games. 7 yrs has been passed n it still works like day 1.
Gona buy nvme top end 970 Evo 2 tb for my newly built 12th Gen i7
Thank you for going beyond a consumer drive's box and mentioning the why for various technologies. Really didn't expect to also see enterprise level drive features mentioned when I started this video but it is a good addition.
When I first heard about ZNS, it seemed like the consensus was that it could be implemented in firmware but never been sure.
I like how Joe seems like just a normal dude with a passion unlike some of these other Tubers.
Thanks for your honest and in-depth comparions!
Your content is so unique and useful!
You are awesome LOL
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Your videos are really informative and great. I would like to suggest you look into PCH vs CPU based PCIe and how that relates to your PCIe lanes available to the SSD as most consumer CPUs have a total 24 CPU-PCIe lanes (GPU-16+NVMe-4+PCH/South Bridge-4). The PCH offers PCIe lanes almost 20 but through the bottle neck of x4 usually on Ryzen x570 boards or similar in intel land. Not sure if you covered this topic but I think its a little risky to say just plug in any PCIe NVMe adapter, you could end up throttling your other components with out realizing it. Less SSD anatomy and more SSD ecosystem.
Excellent overview, thank you.
I came to learn one thing and when the video ended , I feel like I am Einstein of SSDs , Thank you sir
Useful video, appreciate it. Please speak about RAID 0 and RAID 1 in SSDs because I've dug through the internet yet I couldn't completely understand the concept and what goes around benefits and non and what should I be looking for. Speak about other RAIDs please and I noticed that RAID 0 is found in performance laptops such as ASUS ROG Scar series. Hope you learn something too. Thanks again for the informative video.
Thanks for the tips James Franco.
Thanks Joe things that I didn't know is now known for when I purchase an SSD down the road.
ThioJoe is a nice guy.
Good video with plenty of details I didn't know about. Still, there are two things I keep hearing in many places and have to disagree.
1) Write endurance depends on which technology is used (QLC, SLC aso), what capacity drive you have and what you do with your computer. When I bought my first M.2 NVme I read about write endurance, googled estimates about average writes for home use and ended up with realizing that even a 1Tb QLC should last something like 14 years of normal use unless it breaks from other reasons. A 2Tb drive I would last even longer - theoretically twice as long. I would avoid smaller than 1Tb QLC drives if you remove/install large software like games often. If you just surf the web and do some office stuff so most of the drive remains empty and less cells are written to, a 500Gb QLC has more write endurance you'll likely ever need.
2) Not requiring users to change passwords was done, because people are lazy. The proper way is to have a password manager so you don't have to remember passwords and don't use simple ones. Changing them is still a good practice, though less important some old guidelines made it sound.
Super informative! 🤩 Thanks, bro! I was today years old when I learned why data transfer speed drops.
This is great to know. Thanks ThioJoe
I was just about to but a new SSD, thanks for the new info🙏
Well a SLC with DRAM Cache HMB, Open Channel, Zoned Name Spaces is the 1 you should get.
Your channel is so useful and your content is so informative and transparent (and funni yes)
Without you, my laptop would not be here today.
Thank you Theo.
As a professional IT tech for over 30 years, it is my opinion that no one should need to worry about this theoretical TBW nonsense unless you are a power user or in a data storage service business. QLC NAND being used as a boot drive will likely last far longer than a mechanical hard drive and far longer than the other components in the system. When an SSD runs out of 'writes', it becomes READ ONLY. It does not FAIL. If you showed us REAL examples proving your point on camera in REALITY, that would be far more beneficial. DRAM on an SSD is of no interest to the average consumer. This is purely a power-user need, which makes up less than 10% of all computer owners. Would have enjoyed a dose of reality in this video, or at least acknowledge that this information applies to less than 10% of all computer owners and WHY.
@J M No issue there. Just feel like a disclaimer would have been nice that the information is not critical or important to 90%+ of computer owners. This is enthusiast level information. The issue is it often leads to people over-spending for things they don't need because they don't understand why this information is important. Most people do not use their computers in a way that this information would be of any benefit to them, in my experience in this industry. I've had to explain to consumers that they mis-understood the content and that the content did not apply to them. It made things overly complicated, caused unnecessary expenses and created anxiety because there was no disclaimer or full disclosure as to who this information was intended for.
in the company I work all computers are so slow with no apparent reason, the it guy said it was ssd's
Already knew to avoid anything below TLC and DRAMless SSDs, but good to know to avoid open channel SSDs as well. I dont think you touched the fact that having CPU do the job instead of specialized chip on the SSD would mean lot more CPU overhead, don't like that idea at all.
Below TLC? Don't you mean ABOVE? (QLC, PLC...)
Hello,
Isn’t HMB the same as enabling the ’stop flushing write cache’ settings in the Strategy tab for each storage in the device manager?
I wonder what’s the differences between HMB, not flushing write cache and similar proprietary features you can activate through the manufacturer software, like Samsung Magician’s RAPID mode.
Sorry Thio Joe already knew all of this. Types of SSD due to researching. Layers Per Cell due to your video 'How much longer does an SSD last' (Also Nand Flash). Dram due to Linus tech tips. HBM-ZNS-Open Channel-EWA due to this video of yours 😉
Good vid ❤️
Thanks! This is a lot of useful info
Great video!
Thanks!
It’s not cheap enough to buy QLC drives at this point. 25% cheaper but loses almost half of the TBW and a lot less sustained read&write, I’d rather get a TCL drive.
TLCs r best
For normal use a Dram Less will work just great and Host memory buffer is not needed because if your PC crashes there is a higher chance of file corruption.
WD Blue SSD is the best, Most robust..I've had them for ages.
Is it still working?
Does it have dram?
Not sure what DRAM is but ALL my SSDs work perfectly..I like them they are like the modern cassette tapes of the PC world, You can get a slot to stick them much like how you stick cassettes into the players..Very convenient vs having to open up the PC all the time and hoping you got enough space on the board to add a HDD when you wanna add one.
You should mention data integrity and performance consistency. Dram SSDs are insanely better in terms of performance and life expectancy but in the case of NVMEs the differences due to much faster speeds and HBM technology is not that noticeable, at least not in average everyday scenarios. Still dram drives still have much better life expectancy in terms of TBW(terabytes written) or years of warranty.
Another bennefit of Dram drives is that they do not drop their performance as much when an SSD is almost full. You have to be aware that the bigger the SSD the performance tend to be faster. On the other hand the fullest the drive is, it's performance but also it's lifespan shortens. So especially for main drives avoid small and dramless drives. Your data will be at higher risk, especially with cheaper QLC drives.
The other missing part was about the voltage. DRAM drives draw more energy and tend to make SSDs and NVMEs hotter. I think this is the only drawback of dram drives: they need to be cooled and heatsink most of the time is not included and has to be taken separately. Thankfully some motherboards do have heatsinks.
15:55 That reminds me of a feature - aren’t the top most used programs stored differently on hard drives?
Ideally you would have the most used / latency dependent programs on the outside of the platter where hdds are fastest.
Yeah, Evo 970 Plus ofc. Thats 18;28 viedo compresed to 1 sentence
What
Please also review Rapid mode and primocache software used to quicken SSD
I'm shopping online to buy a new budget desktop PC from Dell; something I would use for word processing, light web surfing, some email. I'm a senior citizen and Dell offers four (4) hard drive options on the desktop PC I'm looking at. They offer a 1TB HDD, a 256 SSD, a 512 SSD, and a 1TB + 512 SSD all in one HD. I don't know what brands of HD's Dell uses but the 1TB HDD is the cheapest of the four (4) drives. The 256 SSD is the next priced higher, the 512 SSD is next and finally the 1TB HDD + 512 SSD is the most expensive option. Could I get by with a 1TB HDD or should I buy a new desktop PC configured with a 256 SSD? Thank you for any positive feedback you might agree to offer on HD options.
For basic word processing and stuff, 256GB is likely definitely sufficient. If you can afford it, I'd always recommend going with an SSD over a hard drive for the main drive, because it's really a big difference in speed and responsiveness.
@@ThioJoe Thanks for the reply. Do you know much about Intel processors? Based upon my needs I can't decide on an i3, an i5, or an i7 which would probably be overkill for my basic computer needs. Could I get by with an i3 processor or spend more money for an i5 processor? Computer memory, 4GB, 8GB, or 12GB?
@@Bigstevoreno0655 An i3 is good enough for regular use (they've had 4 cores for a while now). More ram is better. I would not get less than 8GB. I don't know why they even sell computer with only 4GB these days.
@@Bigstevoreno0655 Big role here plays processor generation and not just the number next to the "i".
According to Mr. Joe,
Watching Linus Tech Tips make you a Genius.
Watching Thio Joe makes you an expert.
Thank you for making such education video for us . Thank you sir for the knowledge you give us.
Do you have any specific product recommendations for an SSD with TLC and DRAM?
HMB is fine, but note that DRAMLESS is ABSYMAL when in external enclosures, or other devices like a PS5.
Does anyone watch out for us more than Thio Joe?
DRAM-less? Lol
That chart is a bit sketchy to use here, because I think the fact that three of those drives are PCIe x4, while the other half are PCIe x2, MIGHT have something to do with the disparities - not surprisingly, each X4 Drive is generally far ahead.
11:55 the blue bar is x4
Was simply going by how they were described in the paper
God made you with care to aid the techies with some archangelic expertise to take us to the tech heaven. Cheers from India.
When buying an SSD for my PS5 for storage expansion, I just looked up and bought the kind and brand that comes with the PS5 and installed that.
Regarding HMB is this thing exclusive to NVMe SSDs or do 2.5 inch DRAM-less SATA SSDs also support it ?
Very informative
Pretty sure SSDs slow down because their read/write speeds are benchmarked including the DRAM or HMB and that's why they slow down, because eventually the memory fills up temporarily.
@ThioJoe you did not mention Active State Power Management, which is a feature with various levels of support depending on the specific model. With support for low power modes V1.1, 1.2 or V1.3, you can get extremely low idle power usage (
how do you access it?
Hey new vid!
Thanks bro
Everyone seems to fuss about TBW limits, but I've only ever seen one dead SSD and that was a very old SSD that got moved around a lot - were not even sure if it died because of flash saturation, it might have been physical damage or shorted. I've seen stacks of dead HDDs, some lasting only a year. Not to mention DOA rates seem to be much lower in my personal experience.
Thanks a lot for this video... Now I understand why it takes so much time to write a python programming folder to an SSD, cause they are pretty small files..
does my MB need to support NVME 1.2 in order to use HMB?
I have a NVR surveillance system that takes a max 12TB Surveillance hard drive and have tried several but are so noisy they were returned. Is there a SDD that is equivalent to a 12TB but reasonably priced? THX!
i cannot find model of my ssd.. it only shows "sata ssd" everywhere i looked.. but is it samsung or kingstone or?
Consumer drives that support NVME Namespaces in general is very low and it requires OS/Application support. Zoned Namespaces takes this namespace feature one step further for enterprises.
What happens when system variables like %Appdata% are set to a location on the D drive. Would you recommend this as a way to save C drive space on hybrid laptops like mine, which have a tiny SSD for windows and a big HDD?
In my experience, this works in theory but in reality will likely create a hot mess. Can't you replace the SSD with a bigger one?
Some utilities like Intel RST or StoreMI for AMD let you use the SSD as a cache for the larger drive without worrying about that
I would love to see an Office Tour, we haven't really see what your office looked like
Look at "My Awesome apartment", "Revealing My Secrets", "I built a Home Server" , There are lots of vids of his Apt since he moved to Arizona. He has a great Bar in his living room. !
Ooh gessss
I always get wrong SSDs
I'm curious how ZNS interacts with wear leveling of the NAND flash
I'm wondering which SSD setup you'd recommend. I currently have a 2tb 970 Evo and wanna upgrade to the 980 Pro. Just Windows and software on one smaller drive and games, video files etc on another larger one?
if you have PCie gen 4 m.2 slot you should if you dont its gonna be the same
Evo is best now.
Wait for Gen 5 drives Gen 4 will get cheaper
@@CaptainScorpio24 I don’t care what’s in the future. My point was just if it would make sense getting 2 separate drives (one for OS and basic software, the other for games, stuff I edit etc) with or a single large drive
@@RealThore yeah go ahead. windows n programs on 1 and other things on large 2tb
currently i hv 850 and 860 250gb setups in tge similar way since yrs.
will buy a 2tb m.2 for the same and replaced one of my as external
Hi there instead of using ssd raspberry pi is good option
Your channel is the best for me! I love your videos.
However, I had a suggestion, could you please make videos faster? I stay thrilled for each of your videos and get impatient!
Quality > quantity
For me one high quality video per week is alright. Thio's videos often are longer than like 10 minutes, and the longer the video is, the more you have to research, prepare and record, so higher frequency could kind of force less quality and just stress Thio, making him hate what he liked to do.
You forgot to turn on the light at the first 40 seconds
so generally less capacity = more endurance. maybe I should buy 120gb ssd as the "write" tasks (temp folder, firefox/chrome profile, downloads, pagefile etc)
am I getting this right?
No more capacity equals more endurance all other things being equal. Having more nand cells due to the larger capacity means it has more cells use for garbage collection and wear leveling. Its proportional though so same drive all things equal besides capacity the 2TB drive will have double the endurance of the 1 TB
Reminder that not all M.2 drives are nVME. Watch out for "nVME" SATA drives vs. PCIe.
You mean m.2 sata drives. M.2 is the form factor. Nvme is the protocol that uses pcie.
@@BeatsbyVegas exactly. I put "nVME" in quotes because too many people think M.2=nVME.
Hello, I don't know why, my Intel 540 240GB Series with MLC was constantly micro freezing my Windows (for a few fractions of seconds mouse cursor and Windows in general was freezing almost all the time). And it happened since was new, I bought it in 2015, one of the last ones on stock at the time, but sealed. Life remaining on it dropped pretty fast to 80 and something life, and performed worse than a TLC Kingston that is working perfectly now, no micro stuttering under Windows while moving files, watching TH-cam, saving files, etc.
TLC is slower in what, read or write? Because a SSD with for example a game library stored on it is not gonna be written much.
After watching this video, I conclude my SSD is shit
thio joe stapler
Long time no see video from u . TH-cam has stop recommending me ur video.
You can turn on the notification bell then select All
Thnx man I'm about to buy a ssd tomorrow
But I'm a moron and didn't understand anything 😐
How to find out if a ssd has Dram ? Does the Samsung 970 Evo Plus have Dram ?
The host memory buffer part was a bit boring to watch because of the low rate of the new things explained. But the rest of the video was great
QLC is good for Long Term Storage
TLC is a good middle ground for Runtime and Storage
MLC/DLC is great for Runtime and costs more per GB
SLC is the best for performance but the most expensive
0:22 I still don't have one mr Thio 😢
How about universal memory?
So all the best art is only worth 1.6 trillion while our government just got done printing like 6.5 trillion over the last year? My god are we in trouble!
Ye i have a old Kingston A400 ssd (it's like cheapest sata ssd) that drops to like 30MB/s when writing a large bulk of data
I'm trying to get a ssd like m.2. Researched everywhere on product page on amazon, manufacturers website and on web but no f*cking listing tells properly if the ssd have dram. I don't know if I should get a dram less because I have already one of 240gb and I want one big storage now as that is the only storage in my pc. Or should I get a 1tb hdd at half the price???
If you go to read a review of it at enthusiast website like Tom's hardware they will often mention it. Alternatively you can google search pictures of the product and you can tell from the chips on the board whether it has DRAM or not.
Get samsung
@@CaptainScorpio24 Samsung has DRAM-less drives
@@raul0ca which ones??
@@raul0ca Samsung evos has it all
Last time I watched thio was how to increase internet speed by wrapping an internet cable to a battery to increase internet speed. Those were desperate times(200kbps) as I actually did that.
Lol I'm just in the market for an ssd
Hi guys, uh, so recently, I had this problem with my computer. It happens frequently and it's really annoying. For example, when I watch a random video, the screen captures a random moment of the video, and flickers it on my screen. I tried updating my display and restarting and updating the computer, but nothing seems to work. If someone can lend help, that'll be awesome. Thanks!
is it just me who feels that TheoJoe sounds like Theon GreyJoy