Remove the "Page File" from your SSD's and that will reduce the amount of unnecessary read/write/deletes from your SSD's daily. Toss a SATA spinner drive in and make it house the "Page File" because a standard hard drive is much more durable in the long term for Windows systems given how much data can be written and erased by just browsing websites and watching TH-cam.
Alternatively, install 2x as much RAM as you think you'll need and disable the page file. While you're doing that, turn off hibernation as the hiberfil.sys file will eat your SSD lifespan.
DRAM is great however your average consumer coming from a 5400rpm mechanical hard drive, upgrading to a DRAM-LESS BX500 is going to be extremely happy with the speed increase in general! It is not going to be a huge deal to them, nor would they even notice unless you said something.
I have a feeling: grandma (who still has hdd) isn't watching this. Benchmarks of SSD's are heavily skewed: meaning they are not true, day to day tasks you need dram like you need ram. Spend the extra money, and get a good nvme, they last a while.
Truly amazing video as usual....you are my "go to" source for info on almost any computer topic. Excellent explanations, excellent insight on what people want to know. Thanks.
no point asking a company what they recommend. they'll either say their product because they believe it's the best or they'll say their product because they'll get in trouble for saying anything different.
I will be purchasing the 2 terabyte SSD for the PS5 with the Sabrent heatsink. I have to wait until I have the money. And that will be at the first of the month. I hope there won't be supply issues at that point. I can tell you that I will not be interested in a DRAM-less ssd. I'm more interested in the SSD lasting as long as possible.
DRAM SSDs are extremely necessary if you choose it as a main drive to boot your OS. Without DRAM, it could potentially take a bit longer. Here in India, SSDs with DRAM cost only about 3-4 dollars more than DRAM less drives. That's the reason I never looked at DRAM less drives. Even if yo only want to store games or media, I still recommend you choose the better option. It just unleashes the full potential of using an SSD.
I'm already running my windows and applications on a 500 nvme with a dram. I want to use the second slot just to store files and maybe bigger games. Is it worth giving extra 20 euros for a ssd with a dram?
dram makes negligible difference to games, capacity is worth more. once you get just about any ssd loading times are mostly bottlenecked by cpu and memory performance
If a DRAM SSD is advertised as 7000 mb/s read/write. And a DRAM-Less SSD is advertised as 7000 mb/s read/write as well, would there be any difference between the two?
hello sir, idk if this might be useful for you now. But here the spreadsheet with tons of ssd model with their specs. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0
@@kafka5187 thanks for sharing this. I'm currently looking for the best value (price per gb) PCIE 4.0 M.2 that has DRAM (Not dram-less). Figuring out out which ones have DRAM has been a huge pain. If PCPartPicker had filters for dram/dramless and read / write speeds that would be awesome.
Any idea why a Crucial 4TB MX500 SATA SSD would get corrupted when going into sleep mode while connected via a SABRENT USB to SATA adapter? I reproduced this problem a number of times with multiple MX500 drives, multiple SABRET USB to SATA adapters on multiple PCs and I always get this catastrophic data corruption. I updated the firmware to the latest available and contacted Crucial, but they are not interested in this issue. I invested a significant chunk of change into a bunch of 4TB MX500 SSDs and now I can't use them for what I intended to.
So if I got it right DRAMless NVMe SSDs are better than SATA SSDs with DRAM cache. SATA SSDs with DRAM are already good enough for gamers but now when we can get DRAMless NVMe SSDs for the same price it's time to buy it instead. Thank you very much for this info.
SATA SSDs run around 550MB/s and M.2 NVMe SSDs without DRAM can do triple those numbers meaning faster transfers and copying data, plus some workflows need higher speeds than 550MB/s as the data rates can be higher than this. Also when building a PC, it can be much easier and cleaner to install an M.2 NVMe than a SATA SSD. Of course we recommend if you can get an SSD with DRAM like our Sabrent Rocket which is very affordable, then we would recommend that as you will get better longevity and speeds but some setups like in laptops for example it may not be an option
dunno whats going on with ssd atm but in the UK i can get gen 4 SSD for cheaper then gen 3s makes 0 sense. can get crucial p5 for £100 and crucial p5 plus for £80 (1tb on both)
What happened is there are no real tangible difference that average users can feel using gen3 or gen4. So people went for gen3 for the cheaper price driving up the demand. Higher demand drove up the prices, leaving low demand for the gen4's. Which made me able to buy a 2tb WD770 for just 80 bucks.
Dreamless ssd is really good for Storing Last Gen titles (PS4 and Xbox One ) because they are caped at certain speed , storing Last Gen titles on a Gen4 Pcie dram drive is just overkill
the main problem of dramless is not speed, but the endurance, OS write a tons of data into the ssd daily mine is above 50gb daily wth, barely running anything
is 50gb typical? I would be surprised if that was an average write load for a computer not doing much. However, they do have many ssds with endurance of about 600tb. That would take quite a long time to use of even with 50gb per day, or 100 gb per day.
@@jacobnunya808 600 TBW is just the warranty numbers the manufacturer promise, its not real, my SSD has 800TBW rating but HWinfo tell me that its drive life remaining is 44% after just 90TB write. If Hwinfo is accurate then this drive will die in the next 2 years which by then already exceed 5 years warranty. I have another older SSD which is a true MLC? it also had DRAM and the DRAM write is over 150 TB but the SSD host write is only 35TB and HWinfo shows 99% life remaining See how big the difference? 50GB write into the SSD by OS seems typical, my other PC with the MLC SSD just only using as HTPC had 150GB+ written in 2 days but it mostly goes into the DRAM cache so no problem my current PC have 200GB written in 40 hours, not doing anything special apart from gaming and downloading to HDDs i advise download the latest HWinfo and check for yourself, older version could not see the DRAM writes it always only show 7GB or something, people that own a SSD with DRAM will only see about 5GB write per day before this because everything goes into DRAM.
@@loucipher7782 I think you got unlucky with your first drive if it is being accurate. Every tbw test I have seen shows the drives exceeding if not matching the tbw rating. None of the ssds that I have used have had issues with bad blocks even after after several years. I don't think there are aging affects that could cause cells to start dying after a few years, but I could be wrong.
Bear in mind guys that the bigger the storage the more TBW cycles an SSD has since the more space allows the SSD to put data in different parts and reuse the same parts more rarely. Also with an SSD is really bad filling it. The less free space you leave the less the life span since it has to move around so much data and when it is full is has to move around everything and use everything. So when you buy an SSD always give your self some extra space and assume you are buying a smaller capacity than what it says on the box. For example i bought a 2TB SSD. I really wanted 1TB but i bought 2TB just for that since this is gonna be the SSD hosting my OS and i want it to last long. If i ever feel the need to store more i'll only go as much 1.5TB at most so i can leave it some space.
it's never about space. 99% of the reasons to purchase dramless ssd are because of how cheaper these have become. You can buy twice the size for the same price. So, it's just a matter of money vs performance. To store games, you don't really need to buy the fastest ssds on Earth. IT's a waste of money at the moment.
Just curious- I thought that Windows automatically indexes all your drives (unless you tell it not to). So, why should there be a problem locating files on a DRAM-less SSD?
Where does it index it? On a slower memory. Dram is a one in all in house solution. Sure your neighbor has sugar, but which is faster, you taking out your sugar package or going to the neighbor asking for one?
@@wow1371 > Where does it index it? I assume Windows indexes it to main memory. I see what your saying with the sugar analogy but it's just difficult to imagine that with main memory to SSD transfer speeds that it could make a significant difference. However, I guess there is something inherently inefficient (with regard to SSDs) in the way Windows indexes drives because I recently found out about HMB which, on the surface, sounds like Windows indexing but must be different in some way.
I have just watched this video and its not at all, these videos are different and I also mention points Linus didn't. Yes the information at point are similar but you do realise this is the same topic right? It's like watching a video about full frame vs APS-C from a bunch of creators and saying they are all saying the same thing haha well of course the differences are the same. Also same sequence of talking points? You mean explain/ history, explain each type, talk about differences and then conclusion...... just like every comparison video out there on any topic. All my comparison videos are identical in structure, its how I like to explain things 👍
I'm loving the recent uploads, great content, just bought the rocket 4 plus for my PS5 and I have no regrets ! Thanks sabrent !
So DRAM-less SSDs basically take a little longer to find data, but once it finds it, it's pretty much the same as an SSD with DRAM.
Got it, thanks. :)
Dram also effects your write speed specially if the cache ends up being bad too
Also if you need to install really big files, like AAA games that are well over 50gb of disk space, DRAM less takes forever to install.
@@pedinhuh16 It's good I don't play "AAA" games too often then.
@@pedinhuh16is dram less good for os?
@@mr.abdullahyt7882nop
It’s better u use SSD with dram as your boot drive and use dramless ssd as additional storage
Remove the "Page File" from your SSD's and that will reduce the amount of unnecessary read/write/deletes from your SSD's daily. Toss a SATA spinner drive in and make it house the "Page File" because a standard hard drive is much more durable in the long term for Windows systems given how much data can be written and erased by just browsing websites and watching TH-cam.
This might be a dumb question but how would i make a separate dedicated sata drive to store the "page file "?
When old rig retired, transferred sata 2 HDD to new rig that can house 3 nvme with 1 pcie 4. Set page files write to hdd
Alternatively, install 2x as much RAM as you think you'll need and disable the page file.
While you're doing that, turn off hibernation as the hiberfil.sys file will eat your SSD lifespan.
Does this slowly kill your ssd?
DRAM is great however your average consumer coming from a 5400rpm mechanical hard drive, upgrading to a DRAM-LESS BX500 is going to be extremely happy with the speed increase in general! It is not going to be a huge deal to them, nor would they even notice unless you said something.
Since the price is only 20% higher at 65 cent per GB, there's no reason to get DRAM-less. The wear resistance and performance is worth it
I have a feeling: grandma (who still has hdd) isn't watching this. Benchmarks of SSD's are heavily skewed: meaning they are not true, day to day tasks you need dram like you need ram. Spend the extra money, and get a good nvme, they last a while.
Truly amazing video as usual....you are my "go to" source for info on almost any computer topic. Excellent explanations, excellent insight on what people want to know. Thanks.
No bullshit honest video. 5/5
Great video. Would you recommend Kingston A2000 over Samsung 980 ?
Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus
@@SabrentUSAOfficial didn't answer the question
no point asking a company what they recommend. they'll either say their product because they believe it's the best or they'll say their product because they'll get in trouble for saying anything different.
samsung 980 are better tier,,, if you want to choose kingston pick their KC3000,,,
I will be purchasing the 2 terabyte SSD for the PS5 with the Sabrent heatsink. I have to wait until I have the money. And that will be at the first of the month. I hope there won't be supply issues at that point. I can tell you that I will not be interested in a DRAM-less ssd. I'm more interested in the SSD lasting as long as possible.
is an ssd with dram recommended for your boot/main drive?
and an ssd without dram is better for storage/games?
DRAM SSDs are extremely necessary if you choose it as a main drive to boot your OS. Without DRAM, it could potentially take a bit longer.
Here in India, SSDs with DRAM cost only about 3-4 dollars more than DRAM less drives. That's the reason I never looked at DRAM less drives.
Even if yo only want to store games or media, I still recommend you choose the better option. It just unleashes the full potential of using an SSD.
I'm already running my windows and applications on a 500 nvme with a dram. I want to use the second slot just to store files and maybe bigger games. Is it worth giving extra 20 euros for a ssd with a dram?
Absolutely, no brainer at that price, even at $80 it would still be good.
dram makes negligible difference to games, capacity is worth more. once you get just about any ssd loading times are mostly bottlenecked by cpu and memory performance
@@lt3880 What do you mean capacity is worth more? that its better to get more storage in the extra 20 euro's? cuz im in the same situation
If a DRAM SSD is advertised as 7000 mb/s read/write. And a DRAM-Less SSD is advertised as 7000 mb/s read/write as well, would there be any difference between the two?
Hey Sabrent Guys! How could we know which of your NVMe SSDs have DRAM Cache, since you never mention that on your website?
hello sir, idk if this might be useful for you now. But here the spreadsheet with tons of ssd model with their specs.
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B27_j9NDPU3cNlj2HKcrfpJKHkOf-Oi1DbuuQva2gT4/edit#gid=0
@@kafka5187 thanks for this, I dont understand why companies are so coy about what should be a selling point
@@kafka5187 thanks for sharing this. I'm currently looking for the best value (price per gb) PCIE 4.0 M.2 that has DRAM (Not dram-less). Figuring out out which ones have DRAM has been a huge pain. If PCPartPicker had filters for dram/dramless and read / write speeds that would be awesome.
Any idea why a Crucial 4TB MX500 SATA SSD would get corrupted when going into sleep mode while connected via a SABRENT USB to SATA adapter? I reproduced this problem a number of times with multiple MX500 drives, multiple SABRET USB to SATA adapters on multiple PCs and I always get this catastrophic data corruption. I updated the firmware to the latest available and contacted Crucial, but they are not interested in this issue. I invested a significant chunk of change into a bunch of 4TB MX500 SSDs and now I can't use them for what I intended to.
Too late for that now @@Eric-rl3jl
I would never buy a NVME without DRAM. Stop being cheap and put DRAM in all your drives.
Yep, exactly, it should be more common now. Heck my 2020 PC has an NVME with DRAM.
I mean for stuff like game storage on a sata ssd dramless is fine
Braindead take
Huh
fr it costs them just a couple dollars at most
You completely ignored what matters on SSDs without DRAM, that is whether they use HMB or not.
And what's that now?! 🥴
So if I got it right DRAMless NVMe SSDs are better than SATA SSDs with DRAM cache. SATA SSDs with DRAM are already good enough for gamers but now when we can get DRAMless NVMe SSDs for the same price it's time to buy it instead. Thank you very much for this info.
SATA SSDs run around 550MB/s and M.2 NVMe SSDs without DRAM can do triple those numbers meaning faster transfers and copying data, plus some workflows need higher speeds than 550MB/s as the data rates can be higher than this. Also when building a PC, it can be much easier and cleaner to install an M.2 NVMe than a SATA SSD. Of course we recommend if you can get an SSD with DRAM like our Sabrent Rocket which is very affordable, then we would recommend that as you will get better longevity and speeds but some setups like in laptops for example it may not be an option
@@SabrentUSAOfficial Thank you very much.
No problem 😊
NO. Sata's are not the bottleneck. Day to day use, you want dram.
Good video. These days HMB helps.
Explained, never shown any test or benchmark
Right ✅️
Which one of your SSD's does and doesn't have Dram?
helpfull, doubles as a great ad, thank you
Does it supports with Lenovo ThinkPad T460 20fm ?
dunno whats going on with ssd atm but in the UK i can get gen 4 SSD for cheaper then gen 3s makes 0 sense. can get crucial p5 for £100 and crucial p5 plus for £80 (1tb on both)
What happened is there are no real tangible difference that average users can feel using gen3 or gen4. So people went for gen3 for the cheaper price driving up the demand. Higher demand drove up the prices, leaving low demand for the gen4's. Which made me able to buy a 2tb WD770 for just 80 bucks.
Maybe it was a good choice to buy a dram SSD, because I’m not using it for the OS, I will use it for games and music
What do you use for the OS?!!
What if pre installed 512GB Ssd is not dram, then there is no use of another dram enabled ram. They both will work on lower processing ? Ami wrong?
I have no idea what you just asked
@@djnohands3632 new ram is dram and pre installed ram is not dram? Will this combo work fast for processing
Facing problem. can't find disk in window i have purchased today m2 Dram less for my hp 840 g4 help me for installation.
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Dreamless ssd is really good for Storing Last Gen titles (PS4 and Xbox One ) because they are caped at certain speed , storing Last Gen titles on a Gen4 Pcie dram drive is just overkill
Great explanation!
Thanks for the video!
the main problem of dramless is not speed, but the endurance, OS write a tons of data into the ssd daily
mine is above 50gb daily wth, barely running anything
is 50gb typical? I would be surprised if that was an average write load for a computer not doing much. However, they do have many ssds with endurance of about 600tb. That would take quite a long time to use of even with 50gb per day, or 100 gb per day.
@@jacobnunya808 600 TBW is just the warranty numbers the manufacturer promise, its not real, my SSD has 800TBW rating but HWinfo tell me that its drive life remaining is 44% after just 90TB write. If Hwinfo is accurate then this drive will die in the next 2 years which by then already exceed 5 years warranty.
I have another older SSD which is a true MLC? it also had DRAM and the DRAM write is over 150 TB but the SSD host write is only 35TB and HWinfo shows 99% life remaining
See how big the difference?
50GB write into the SSD by OS seems typical, my other PC with the MLC SSD just only using as HTPC had 150GB+ written in 2 days but it mostly goes into the DRAM cache so no problem
my current PC have 200GB written in 40 hours, not doing anything special apart from gaming and downloading to HDDs
i advise download the latest HWinfo and check for yourself, older version could not see the DRAM writes it always only show 7GB or something, people that own a SSD with DRAM will only see about 5GB write per day before this because everything goes into DRAM.
@@loucipher7782 I think you got unlucky with your first drive if it is being accurate. Every tbw test I have seen shows the drives exceeding if not matching the tbw rating. None of the ssds that I have used have had issues with bad blocks even after after several years. I don't think there are aging affects that could cause cells to start dying after a few years, but I could be wrong.
@@loucipher7782 percentage life is not reliable enough
Bear in mind guys that the bigger the storage the more TBW cycles an SSD has since the more space allows the SSD to put data in different parts and reuse the same parts more rarely.
Also with an SSD is really bad filling it.
The less free space you leave the less the life span since it has to move around so much data and when it is full is has to move around everything and use everything.
So when you buy an SSD always give your self some extra space and assume you are buying a smaller capacity than what it says on the box.
For example i bought a 2TB SSD. I really wanted 1TB but i bought 2TB just for that since this is gonna be the SSD hosting my OS and i want it to last long.
If i ever feel the need to store more i'll only go as much 1.5TB at most so i can leave it some space.
What is better, QLC + DRAM OR TLC DRAM LESS?
Tlc is bettr with dram or dramless doesn't matter
qlc is slower but has larger capacities. this is why its rare to find nvme ssd larger than 2TB they usually use TLC
@@lt3880And even then, TLC memory is bound to break in a few months if you use it to load the OS.
what about 860 evo dramaless. they said it has dram cache but also said it is dramless ?
HMB = dram less?
I want to know if Silicon Power NVMe SSD 2TB (SP002TBP34A60M28) is dram less or not.
that model doesn't have DRAM as the controller doesn't support it
@@seibertron500 thank you.
I already bought it for exclusively for gaming
NEVER consider a drive without DRAM.
here in the philippines.. hard drives are more expensive than SSDs 😑
Oups thanks buddy I thought the dram is used for cache 😅😅😅
Great Explanation!!!
Can SSDs with DRAM really perform faster than DRAM-less SSDs for photo/video editing?
Yes
@@SabrentUSAOfficialis dram less ssd god for os and storing game like forza horizon 5 COD?
The auto generated subtitles are in vietnamese... 🙃
Performance is not equal to responsiveness
What is this sorcery... Sabrenth USA and he is from UK 😂
We are everywhere 😉👽
@@SabrentUSAOfficial Sounds creepy!
Great explanation
it's never about space. 99% of the reasons to purchase dramless ssd are because of how cheaper these have become. You can buy twice the size for the same price. So, it's just a matter of money vs performance. To store games, you don't really need to buy the fastest ssds on Earth. IT's a waste of money at the moment.
If you are buying it because it gives you more space cheaper then isn't it also about space? 🤔
Video starts at 1:05
Just curious- I thought that Windows automatically indexes all your drives (unless you tell it not to). So, why should there be a problem locating files on a DRAM-less SSD?
Where does it index it?
On a slower memory.
Dram is a one in all in house solution.
Sure your neighbor has sugar, but which is faster, you taking out your sugar package or going to the neighbor asking for one?
@@wow1371 > Where does it index it?
I assume Windows indexes it to main memory.
I see what your saying with the sugar analogy but it's just difficult to imagine that with main memory to SSD transfer speeds that it could make a significant difference. However, I guess there is something inherently inefficient (with regard to SSDs) in the way Windows indexes drives because I recently found out about HMB which, on the surface, sounds like Windows indexing but must be different in some way.
The visual is more distracting than useless
1:05 video starts
Thanks 🙏
man, what is you accent? youtube auto generated subs goes crazy
Lmao ikr
This video is basically an exact copy of Linus's Techquickie video 4 years ago. Same sequence of talking points. Talk about plagiarism.
I have just watched this video and its not at all, these videos are different and I also mention points Linus didn't. Yes the information at point are similar but you do realise this is the same topic right? It's like watching a video about full frame vs APS-C from a bunch of creators and saying they are all saying the same thing haha well of course the differences are the same. Also same sequence of talking points? You mean explain/ history, explain each type, talk about differences and then conclusion...... just like every comparison video out there on any topic. All my comparison videos are identical in structure, its how I like to explain things 👍
"DRAM ssd are SIGNIFICANTLY faster....."
and
then forgot to show some supporting data.
Always TRUSTWORHTY Sabrent
great video
Thank you!