This sonata is just wonderfully composed. I swear to God Czerny is one of the most underrated composers, and I find it criminal that his works are not as prominent as other famous classical music composers.
i don’t see why people don’t give czerny the love he deserves. i mean we take it very seriously who the teacher is of great musicians and Beethoven taught this man!!
I really think they would...but his music is just not as available as Chopin or Liszts. I bet If there were as many high quality recordings available here on yt he would be way more famous
Just because great musicians taught another musician doesn’t mean that person is a great composer. Czerny made great exercises and was a great teacher but his piano music was barely mediocre at best.
@@acactus2190 Of course, it's not always the case (who even said it is anyway?) but there's a reason many people find his works to be good, especially me. In this case, Czerny was an amazing composer and teacher, even though he was taught by Beethoven himself. Therefore, Czerny was a great musician that was taught by another amazing musician. I'm not sure if I'm the one with bad taste, but I actually prefer Czerny over composers like Chopin. But you'll most likely disagree with me because I have a different taste in classical music. Yet despite all of this, it's okay to share your opinions and thoughts about Czerny, but I just like Czerny, so just because one doesn't like a composer doesn't mean everyone doesn't like the composer. But anyway, I'm just here to clarify. Sorry if this is too long lol
la sonata tiene este nombre pero es demasiado largo "Gran sonata de estudio de digitación para lograr la habilidad superior del mecanismo en varias formas nuevas de pasajes"
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 They are not impossible at those speeds - especially not the third. Not at all. The fourth is only deeply problematic at that speed in the coda, which doesn't work at 1.5x this video really and for which Czerny provided no MM mark anyway. Czerny was renowned for his virtuosity and for playing everything rather fast. I am no virtuoso but even I can sustain these speeds for a few bars of motoperpetuo, and in principle they are doable. If we want to ask the player in the world with the best technique for playing at speed we'd expect them to manage more than me.
@@d60944 Only deeply problematic? Why then does this pianist slow it down considerably? The movement contains numerous passages that are feux follets level of difficulty. Anyway, i'm genuinely curious as to someone that could actually play it at speed.
@@Reichthoff I'm very grateful that Martin Jones has put all the sonatas on disc. However, I don't like or agree with his interpretative approach, which seems to come at these from a slightly reflective and almost-polite Schubertian angle. His fasts are not fast enough and his slows are not slow enough. They seem to me to fit more into the sparkling Germanic virtuoso tradition stretching from CPE Bach, through Clementi and Haydn onwards through Hummel into Weber and Mendelssohn and Raff (cf that perpetuum mobile finale from Weber's first piano sonata as a nice comparison for difficulty!). I think they all ought to be far more dramatic and passionately performed. Czerny was known in his own time as a speed-demon and was arguably Europe's most accomplished pianist at the time he was writing these; and the sonatas are part of his highest aspirations in terms of following his beloved teacher, Beethoven, and showcasing his own performance abilities. I really do think there is far more gripping, exciting, passionate and astonishingly virtuosic music in the sonatas than Jones finds. But I am glad I can hear the notes anyway :)
@@d60944 it is great to read a comment from an enthusiast of forgotten classic music. I share your opinion, that is why i think jones was being too careful here, all due respect to him for the effort it took to record these. The problem with unknown works is that since nobody plays them, recording them would necessitate that one record them "properly", since no "definitive" version yet exists for them. Meanwhile the beaten down works like appassionata, chopin concerto, etc. are played more adventurously because one has to render them in a unique light so as not to sound like all the other versions. Hopefully there will be more musicians with a passion to interpret these unknown classics in an exciting and personal way. And i wholly disagree with the insinuations that this sonata is empty virtuosity. I find such views appalling.
Just out of curiosity: I often see this on you channel -> you keep comparing difficulty of Czerny to Chopin, Liszt etc. Do you think difficulty somehow affects how enjoyable a piece is? If difficulty were so important, then Alkan would be the most popular around here. I think you're trying too hard to prove that Czerny is just as good a Chopin and other more famous composers and I wonder why.
Another one, I will repeat the same thing, listen well, I came to know "musicians" who only spent time saying that Czerny was very easy, and after listening to these stupidities so many times I took the trouble to demonstrate that it is not, all the More well-known works are overrated to more exaggerated levels than what I supposedly give to Czerny. only the difficult thing that I put in my videos is a clarification to know that they are not works that should be taken lightly and more challenging than those that are considered unattainable insurmountable by others.
I don't think Liszt has more difficult things than Czerny's harder jobs, Liszt was mistakenly called the most virtuous, the 3 most Virtuous of his time were Czerny, Mereaux and Alkan.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Liszt wrote over a 1000 pieces and transcriptions.If you think that Liszt can't top with Czerny, Mereaux and Alkan in terms of difficulty , then i think you're not doing enough research. You talk a lot about his 12 Transcendental Etudes for not being hard or beautiful, but are you aware of his Douze grandes etudes, which are the earlier versions and much more difficult. Liszt had to rewrite them because the etudes were to hard for others just like his original 1838 Paganini etudes. I can name some other difficult pieces for you: his Beethoven symphonies transcriptions, Romancero espagnol S695c, Spanish Fantasy S.253, Symphonie Fantastique, Reminiscences de puritans, Lucrezia Borgia,, des Hugueonots, Norma, Galop S218, Mephisto waltzes, Bach transcriptions etc. There are many more but Liszt wrote so many pieces it's ridiculous. So saying he can't top with them is absurd. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he can't top with them. Liszt respected Alkan's technique but read Alan Walker's biography about Liszt, the first time they both met was at a concert where Liszt played after Alkan and humiliated him, he made Alkan look like a beginner, Alkan himself said he went home crying because of the frustration. Not only is Liszt one of the greatest pianists but also one of the best sightreaders too( Read about his meeting with Grieg and you'll know) He was a very important composer, he helped other less known composers at the time giving more recognition. Sure, you know him as Liszt in his virtuoso years but in his later years he became a totally different composer with his religious pieces like Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude, and impressionistic works like Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este' which inspired future composers like Ravel and Debussy. I know you dislike most other composers( especially Chopin and Liszt), but at least appreciate for what they have done for music history. Or at least be more open for other opinions and composers. I love Liszt and Chopin , but really like Czerny, Mereaux and Alkan too! Everything from baroque to impressionism( even 20th century composers like Stravinsky). This is not a hate comment and i understand you want to give Czerny more spotlight. Even i thought Czerny was just a piano techinque trainer, but now thanks to this channel i see him as a great composer too. Have a great day everybody!
@Jesper Schaaf I know the first 12 studies of lIszt but they are not more difficult than the reviews, I invite you to read them and try them yourself. the problem with Liszt is that people care more about the speed of their works but the difficulty is in a piece that even slow play becomes difficult as is the case with all bach fugues that even played at no more than 60 bpm already They are very difficult to play, you can imagine a leak played at 120 bpm as is the case of the Czerny Op.400 Fugues ??? I think there is currently no one with a polyphony recording at such speed. Do not believe everything the biographies say about the treatment that the composers had, remember that it is also said that Mozart made salieri cry and that is not true !! same with Beethoven and Steibelt. On reading Liszt, Czerny said that the best sight reader he met was Beethoven, and let's not forget that Czerny was also an excellent reader at sight. An interesting fact, my favorite composer was Chopin but I decided to stop following him because of the way his other fans underestimate the music of other composers, it was then that Czerny's music came to my life as an angel fallen from heaven, one of the most beautiful things that could happen to me.
Martin Jones is the perfect player of the whole splendid sonatas set...... Quick question....why did Czerny stop writing sonatas at a certain point of time and waited so much after his 10th until the 11th was published? Certainly he dedicated efforts to didactic, studies, etc...... but after hectic writing of 9 sonatas he took some more time until ge wrote the 10th and even more for the 11th.....just curiosity....
I'm not sure either but I recommend reading "A critical analysis of Czerny sonatas". It seems Czerny already on the third or sixth sonata had in mind writing 11 sonatas cycle. The eleven sonatas are divided in 1-5 6 7-11, the sixth is the monomental gigantic 7 movement sonatas that is the peak of the cycle, 5 and 7 seems to be transition sonatas, the tenth(seen in this video) serves as a cadenza to the last sonata, due to its sheer virtuosic nature. I suppose after planning such a gigantic work he wanted to give enough time for making an ending up to the height of ending the other 10 sonatas. Just speculation tho
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 thanks God these morons are a minority. I just hope they are not teaching or coaching or educating others because they would solely nurture a bunch of new jerks......
Hammerklavier of Czerny. Sadly, he lived between two generation of super-geniuses and his works are way too many to make people discuss his achievement fair. I hear some familiar matrials from Beethoven and some were used by his students.
Great sonata, Why are these pieces not part of the standard repertoire! Czerny's major works are very interesting, definitely works of art of the highest caliber. Some of his etudes can be a bit dry (they were not designed as concert pieces I guess, with some notable exceptions), which sometimes gives him a bad reputation, but the man was genius, as his sonatas, concertos and symphonies show.
Czerny wrote a lot of concert studies in the style of Chopin, such as Op. 692. The only problem is that no one formally recorded or performed the whole set.
If you want to listen to the first and the fourth movement in the given tempo, you have to play it in 1.25 speed. (It's SO DIFFICULT!) I guess, it's only intelligible if you consider how much time pianists invested in practicing etudes (and in practicing in general) during that epoch... (often several hours a day)
Well that calls into question metronome practice back then. Too many times now a days, pianist just play however fast they can without even considering what the marking means, or, using common sense, if the piece even sounds right. Chopin's etudes are played ridiculously too fast, especially when you consider their original intent. They are meant to be practicing pieces, and meant to develop the fingers with specific exercises, including stretching the hands. They aren't meant to be showy pieces necessarily. Same goes with Czerny. I mean, considering all the exercises he composed were for his hundreds of students, and those who wanted to begin the piano, they aren't meant to be taken incredibly fast, but over time, speed should of course be built. So, metronome practice is something which should be considered.
@@thepianoman6958 Especially concerning etudes, I would say you also could suggest that the given tempo indication was meant as a 'peak tempo' that you should try to reach for seeing if you have completely fulfilled the task of surmounting the technical difficulties of the piece (given the composer's abilities), not as the most sensible tempo for bringing out the musical ideas properly (unless you are a 'whole beat' hardliner - then you're lost anyway imho). - Maybe Czerny was just such a beast at the piano (and I'm sure he was) that he just wanted to show how fast it was possible for him -and so theoretically for everyone- to play such pieces.
I consider all Czerny Sonatas to be extremely difficult, what do you think of Op.124? by the way check the comment of the guy that the sonata doesn't express compared to Busoni's fantasy and then go for Busoni's piece, it doesn't even express anything
I would call this more of a classical style sonata, it's likely the hardest sonata ever composed before Sorabji, probably harder than the hammerklavier, liszt sonata, and alkan sonata due to the ridiculous tempo.
This recording while undoubtedly commendable, is much slower than the indicated tempo (the finale itself must be played at 1.5x speed to meet it). Played at speed the work is likely harder than the famous Hammerklavier - much harder!
@@ReichthoffBeethoven's Hammerklavier is much more famous, and has accumulated hundreds of recordings from virtuosi like Igor Levit and Minkyu Kim. The Czerny, I couldn't even find another recording of. I'd say they may be equal in difficulty, but we can't know for sure because no one has truly attempted to play this piece at the marked tempo.
why the question? I think I already understood that tastes are different for everyone, for me Czerny is everything and for you Liszt is everything, I did not say anything at any time I only wrote that this Sonata is slightly more difficult than the Sonata in b minor de Liszt and that was it
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt Dude this sonata sucks. Just endless showoff techniques. There is no decent melody anywhere in the 1st or 4th movement. Just an unending cadenza and generic, predictable chord progressions. Czerny definitely wrote better works than this garbage.
First Movement 0:00
Second Movement 8:27
Third Movement 15:48
Four Movement 19:43
He was a contemporary of Hummel and the music of both of them has the same complexity and sparkle. They are both underated.
22:48 epic double notes
0:04 exposition: B-flat major -> F major
3:25 development
3:25 part 1
3:44 part 2
4:09 part 3: C minor
5:02 part 4
5:24 recapitulation
Second movement is such a beauty
in the second movement you can hear a lot of depression and sadness, I wonder what Czerny was living at that time
This sonata is just wonderfully composed. I swear to God Czerny is one of the most underrated composers, and I find it criminal that his works are not as prominent as other famous classical music composers.
Such a wonderful work! Thank you for posting it. Wonderfully executed.
I love how Czerny intended this to be a study but it's actually bigger than some Beethoven Sonatas
i don’t see why people don’t give czerny the love he deserves. i mean we take it very seriously who the teacher is of great musicians and Beethoven taught this man!!
I really think they would...but his music is just not as available as Chopin or Liszts. I bet If there were as many high quality recordings available here on yt he would be way more famous
I see why, he hates people's fingers
Just because great musicians taught another musician doesn’t mean that person is a great composer. Czerny made great exercises and was a great teacher but his piano music was barely mediocre at best.
@@acactus2190 Of course, it's not always the case (who even said it is anyway?) but there's a reason many people find his works to be good, especially me. In this case, Czerny was an amazing composer and teacher, even though he was taught by Beethoven himself. Therefore, Czerny was a great musician that was taught by another amazing musician. I'm not sure if I'm the one with bad taste, but I actually prefer Czerny over composers like Chopin. But you'll most likely disagree with me because I have a different taste in classical music. Yet despite all of this, it's okay to share your opinions and thoughts about Czerny, but I just like Czerny, so just because one doesn't like a composer doesn't mean everyone doesn't like the composer. But anyway, I'm just here to clarify. Sorry if this is too long lol
Most underrated composer all times!
I'd say that'd be Christian Sinding. Czerny, at is best, is absolutely marvellous though!
Sounds very tricky - well done! I might consider playing one myself
Fourth movement, talk about endurance, this is piano olimpics! Wow!
Hammerklavier: am I a joke to you?
Sorabji: laughs in Parsi and English
@@wilh3lmmusic this sonate is more hard and beautiful than any sonate from beethoven, mozart and chopin, etc
@@czeynerlamentemusical8048 damn can u shut up pls
@@czeynerlamentemusical8048 Sorry to disapoint you but no.
Beautiful.
Delightful scherzo, perpetual motion
Its sounds simplistic but oh my god, that continious jumps are delightfuly skilled.
Czerny really went crazy with this one
la sonata tiene este nombre pero es demasiado largo "Gran sonata de estudio de digitación para lograr la habilidad superior del mecanismo en varias formas nuevas de pasajes"
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Mov 1 - playback speed = 1.25
Mov 2 - playback speed = 0.75
Mov 3 - playback speed = 1.15
Mov 4 - playback speed = 1.5
(though he [rightly] varies the tempo a lot so it's hard to say)
:)
third and fourth are impossible at the speed you suggest, this sonata is extremely difficult even played slowly
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 They are not impossible at those speeds - especially not the third. Not at all. The fourth is only deeply problematic at that speed in the coda, which doesn't work at 1.5x this video really and for which Czerny provided no MM mark anyway. Czerny was renowned for his virtuosity and for playing everything rather fast. I am no virtuoso but even I can sustain these speeds for a few bars of motoperpetuo, and in principle they are doable. If we want to ask the player in the world with the best technique for playing at speed we'd expect them to manage more than me.
@@d60944 Only deeply problematic? Why then does this pianist slow it down considerably? The movement contains numerous passages that are feux follets level of difficulty. Anyway, i'm genuinely curious as to someone that could actually play it at speed.
@@Reichthoff I'm very grateful that Martin Jones has put all the sonatas on disc. However, I don't like or agree with his interpretative approach, which seems to come at these from a slightly reflective and almost-polite Schubertian angle. His fasts are not fast enough and his slows are not slow enough. They seem to me to fit more into the sparkling Germanic virtuoso tradition stretching from CPE Bach, through Clementi and Haydn onwards through Hummel into Weber and Mendelssohn and Raff (cf that perpetuum mobile finale from Weber's first piano sonata as a nice comparison for difficulty!). I think they all ought to be far more dramatic and passionately performed. Czerny was known in his own time as a speed-demon and was arguably Europe's most accomplished pianist at the time he was writing these; and the sonatas are part of his highest aspirations in terms of following his beloved teacher, Beethoven, and showcasing his own performance abilities. I really do think there is far more gripping, exciting, passionate and astonishingly virtuosic music in the sonatas than Jones finds. But I am glad I can hear the notes anyway :)
@@d60944 it is great to read a comment from an enthusiast of forgotten classic music. I share your opinion, that is why i think jones was being too careful here, all due respect to him for the effort it took to record these. The problem with unknown works is that since nobody plays them, recording them would necessitate that one record them "properly", since no "definitive" version yet exists for them. Meanwhile the beaten down works like appassionata, chopin concerto, etc. are played more adventurously because one has to render them in a unique light so as not to sound like all the other versions. Hopefully there will be more musicians with a passion to interpret these unknown classics in an exciting and personal way.
And i wholly disagree with the insinuations that this sonata is empty virtuosity. I find such views appalling.
Just out of curiosity: I often see this on you channel -> you keep comparing difficulty of Czerny to Chopin, Liszt etc. Do you think difficulty somehow affects how enjoyable a piece is? If difficulty were so important, then Alkan would be the most popular around here. I think you're trying too hard to prove that Czerny is just as good a Chopin and other more famous composers and I wonder why.
I know right. I have to disagree with Czeyner. Some liszt pieces are probably harder than Czerny.
Another one, I will repeat the same thing, listen well, I came to know "musicians" who only spent time saying that Czerny was very easy, and after listening to these stupidities so many times I took the trouble to demonstrate that it is not, all the More well-known works are overrated to more exaggerated levels than what I supposedly give to Czerny. only the difficult thing that I put in my videos is a clarification to know that they are not works that should be taken lightly and more challenging than those that are considered unattainable insurmountable by others.
I don't think Liszt has more difficult things than Czerny's harder jobs, Liszt was mistakenly called the most virtuous, the 3 most Virtuous of his time were Czerny, Mereaux and Alkan.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Liszt wrote over a 1000 pieces and transcriptions.If you think that Liszt can't top with Czerny, Mereaux and Alkan in terms of difficulty , then i think you're not doing enough research. You talk a lot about his 12 Transcendental Etudes for not being hard or beautiful, but are you aware of his Douze grandes etudes, which are the earlier versions and much more difficult. Liszt had to rewrite them because the etudes were to hard for others just like his original 1838 Paganini etudes. I can name some other difficult pieces for you: his Beethoven symphonies transcriptions, Romancero espagnol S695c, Spanish Fantasy S.253, Symphonie Fantastique, Reminiscences de puritans, Lucrezia Borgia,, des Hugueonots, Norma, Galop S218, Mephisto waltzes, Bach transcriptions etc. There are many more but Liszt wrote so many pieces it's ridiculous. So saying he can't top with them is absurd. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he can't top with them. Liszt respected Alkan's technique but read Alan Walker's biography about Liszt, the first time they both met was at a concert where Liszt played after Alkan and humiliated him, he made Alkan look like a beginner, Alkan himself said he went home crying because of the frustration.
Not only is Liszt one of the greatest pianists but also one of the best sightreaders too( Read about his meeting with Grieg and you'll know) He was a very important composer, he helped other less known composers at the time giving more recognition. Sure, you know him as Liszt in his virtuoso years but in his later years he became a totally different composer with his religious pieces like Bénédiction de Dieu dans la solitude, and impressionistic works like Les jeux d'eaux à la Villa d'Este' which inspired future composers like Ravel and Debussy.
I know you dislike most other composers( especially Chopin and Liszt), but at least appreciate for what they have done for music history. Or at least be more open for other opinions and composers. I love Liszt and Chopin , but really like Czerny, Mereaux and Alkan too! Everything from baroque to impressionism( even 20th century composers like Stravinsky). This is not a hate comment and i understand you want to give Czerny more spotlight. Even i thought Czerny was just a piano techinque trainer, but now thanks to this channel i see him as a great composer too. Have a great day everybody!
@Jesper Schaaf I know the first 12 studies of lIszt but they are not more difficult than the reviews, I invite you to read them and try them yourself.
the problem with Liszt is that people care more about the speed of their works but the difficulty is in a piece that even slow play becomes difficult as is the case with all bach fugues that even played at no more than 60 bpm already They are very difficult to play, you can imagine a leak played at 120 bpm as is the case of the Czerny Op.400 Fugues ??? I think there is currently no one with a polyphony recording at such speed.
Do not believe everything the biographies say about the treatment that the composers had, remember that it is also said that Mozart made salieri cry and that is not true !! same with Beethoven and Steibelt. On reading Liszt, Czerny said that the best sight reader he met was Beethoven, and let's not forget that Czerny was also an excellent reader at sight.
An interesting fact, my favorite composer was Chopin but I decided to stop following him because of the way his other fans underestimate the music of other composers, it was then that Czerny's music came to my life as an angel fallen from heaven, one of the most beautiful things that could happen to me.
The second mvt is just perfect.
Just Like all czerny pieces
Martin Jones is the perfect player of the whole splendid sonatas set......
Quick question....why did Czerny stop writing sonatas at a certain point of time and waited so much after his 10th until the 11th was published?
Certainly he dedicated efforts to didactic, studies, etc...... but after hectic writing of 9 sonatas he took some more time until ge wrote the 10th and even more for the 11th.....just curiosity....
I'm not sure either but I recommend reading "A critical analysis of Czerny sonatas". It seems Czerny already on the third or sixth sonata had in mind writing 11 sonatas cycle. The eleven sonatas are divided in 1-5 6 7-11, the sixth is the monomental gigantic 7 movement sonatas that is the peak of the cycle, 5 and 7 seems to be transition sonatas, the tenth(seen in this video) serves as a cadenza to the last sonata, due to its sheer virtuosic nature. I suppose after planning such a gigantic work he wanted to give enough time for making an ending up to the height of ending the other 10 sonatas. Just speculation tho
@@pawncube2050 Thanks much. İnteresting theory.....will read recommended book too.....
The 11th and last sonata sounds like the most mature of them.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 thanks God these morons are a minority. I just hope they are not teaching or coaching or educating others because they would solely nurture a bunch of new jerks......
6:08 sounds like Waldstein Sonata 1st movement
you can totally hear how Beethoven influenced Czerny's playing /composition style.
Hammerklavier of Czerny.
Sadly, he lived between two generation of super-geniuses and his works are way too many to make people discuss his achievement fair.
I hear some familiar matrials from Beethoven and some were used by his students.
Great sonata, Why are these pieces not part of the standard repertoire! Czerny's major works are very interesting, definitely works of art of the highest caliber. Some of his etudes can be a bit dry (they were not designed as concert pieces I guess, with some notable exceptions), which sometimes gives him a bad reputation, but the man was genius, as his sonatas, concertos and symphonies show.
Czerny wrote a lot of concert studies in the style of Chopin, such as Op. 692. The only problem is that no one formally recorded or performed the whole set.
If you want to listen to the first and the fourth movement in the given tempo, you have to play it in 1.25 speed. (It's SO DIFFICULT!) I guess, it's only intelligible if you consider how much time pianists invested in practicing etudes (and in practicing in general) during that epoch... (often several hours a day)
Well that calls into question metronome practice back then. Too many times now a days, pianist just play however fast they can without even considering what the marking means, or, using common sense, if the piece even sounds right. Chopin's etudes are played ridiculously too fast, especially when you consider their original intent. They are meant to be practicing pieces, and meant to develop the fingers with specific exercises, including stretching the hands. They aren't meant to be showy pieces necessarily. Same goes with Czerny. I mean, considering all the exercises he composed were for his hundreds of students, and those who wanted to begin the piano, they aren't meant to be taken incredibly fast, but over time, speed should of course be built. So, metronome practice is something which should be considered.
@@thepianoman6958 Especially concerning etudes, I would say you also could suggest that the given tempo indication was meant as a 'peak tempo' that you should try to reach for seeing if you have completely fulfilled the task of surmounting the technical difficulties of the piece (given the composer's abilities), not as the most sensible tempo for bringing out the musical ideas properly (unless you are a 'whole beat' hardliner - then you're lost anyway imho). - Maybe Czerny was just such a beast at the piano (and I'm sure he was) that he just wanted to show how fast it was possible for him -and so theoretically for everyone- to play such pieces.
Good for Piano Performance Advanced Diploma Exam.
Horrifically difficult, and not enough music. The pianist here is clearly struggling.
I am not interested in your opinion about the music, what is true is that this contains more music than all the works you play on your channel
Do you think it is possible to play at the indicated marking?
I thumbs down this video, not because of Czerny's music, but because of the poster's poor attitude.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Why do you feel the urge to attack whoever disagrees with you personally? It's immature from you.
Not true. Very musical performance - enjoyed it throughout.
Why Czernry is so good? Yeh because he is a genius and his teacher was Beethoven
This maybe the most difficult classical style piano sonata after the Appassionata and Hammerklavier.
Meanwhile waldstein
I think this might actually be harder than the Hammerklavier.
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Really? You put an add in the middle of the sonata?
Did you add or repeat a couple of bars in the scherzo? Edit: I have checked the original and a line is missing from the score as shown on screen.
MORE DIFFICULT THAN LISZT'S SONATA 😂😂
Could you recommend an easier sonata by Czerny but still challenging ? Thanks
it's a difficult question to answer give me a couple of days to do an analysis
Perhaps the 9th sonata in b minor.
Czerny's variations (La Ricordansa; not sure of the spelling) are playable by a keen amateur.
The 1st and 4th movement are so difficult it's ridiculous, this is probably one of the hardest piano sonatas from the romantic period
I consider all Czerny Sonatas to be extremely difficult, what do you think of Op.124? by the way check the comment of the guy that the sonata doesn't express compared to Busoni's fantasy and then go for Busoni's piece, it doesn't even express anything
Also the second and third movements are very difficult, but in addition to being difficult, the language is beautiful.
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 No need to insult Busoni's fantasy, shich is a masterpiece. Both pieces can be good.
I would call this more of a classical style sonata, it's likely the hardest sonata ever composed before Sorabji, probably harder than the hammerklavier, liszt sonata, and alkan sonata due to the ridiculous tempo.
No, we're just reading the metronome wrong.
I wonder if Liszt had played this sonata!
23:07 It sounds like Darth Vader's theme
yes, czerny vader
Czerny definitely produced better stuff than this imo, and I appreciate the pianists efforts, but I just don’t feel anything tbh
This recording while undoubtedly commendable, is much slower than the indicated tempo (the finale itself must be played at 1.5x speed to meet it). Played at speed the work is likely harder than the famous Hammerklavier - much harder!
This sonata even played slowly is harder than any beethoven sonata
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 Caleb Hu put this at #34. Where is the Hammerklavier? #31, of course. Three places higher. :P
@@wilh3lmmusic I don't think that list is accurate. The Hammerklavier has been played at tempo before, this has not.
@@ReichthoffBeethoven's Hammerklavier is much more famous, and has accumulated hundreds of recordings from virtuosi like Igor Levit and Minkyu Kim. The Czerny, I couldn't even find another recording of. I'd say they may be equal in difficulty, but we can't know for sure because no one has truly attempted to play this piece at the marked tempo.
Waldstein level is not quite good enough for this one.
Better than Liszt sonata ?? ? ?
why the question? I think I already understood that tastes are different for everyone, for me Czerny is everything and for you Liszt is everything, I did not say anything at any time I only wrote that this Sonata is slightly more difficult than the Sonata in b minor de Liszt and that was it
thanks for the dislike to video, I know it's yours
@@czeynerpianistproducercomp7155 I didn't actually dislike, but now that you say this I give a like ;)
Hahah most wholesome shitpost of youtube xD That just forced me to like the video
@@AndreiAnghelLiszt Dude this sonata sucks. Just endless showoff techniques. There is no decent melody anywhere in the 1st or 4th movement. Just an unending cadenza and generic, predictable chord progressions. Czerny definitely wrote better works than this garbage.
Musically very confusing. I like the effects. The message does not come across clearly.