How Does the US Navy Run Wargames? - A Guided Tour of the US Naval War College Wargaming Facilities
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- We visit the US Naval War College to find out more about US Naval History and Naval Wargaming. In this video, I provide an overview of the college grounds and follow up with a guided tour of their impressive Naval Wargaming facilities which have been used throughout the history of the Navy from the 19th to the 21st centuries.
A big thanks to Peter Pellegrino who hosted the tour and provided an excellent educational overview of the military wargaming which took place over the years. The tour starts in Founders Hall which hosted the first classes in 1884 following the US Civil War. At this time they had access to US Navy ships sailing up the Narragansett Bay. However access would be limited shortly thereafter and the college increasingly relied on the naval wargaming which was introduced by Lieutenant William McCarty Little in 1886. This new technique quickly became a core part of the curriculum which acquired many new wargaming facilities as the college expanded over its history. We get a chance to visit Pringle Hall where the Pacific War was planned, Sims Hall where the first computer was introduced for warfare simulation, and McCarty Little Hall where classified modern wargaming takes place.
I hope you enjoy this educational navy documentary on the history of the navy and the development of wargaming in the US Navy.
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This was a truly fantastic visit and I couldn't be happier to share it with you all. Stay tuned for more follow up videos on wargaming and naval history. Also, are there any other places you suggest I visit next?
Army War College Department of Strategic Wargaming (Carlisle Barracks, PA); National Defense University CASL (FT. McNair, DC); Command and General Staff College Simulations and Wargaming Division (Ft. Leavenworth, KS), and the RAND institute.
Rome of course! Have your own personal triumph :)
The Pentagon!
Moscow War Museum
@@thebates5938
Can do that by playing Call of Duty BO Zombies
Admissions officer: so why are you interested in attending?
Me internally: don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer don't say you wanna play fancy warhammer
Me: I wanna play fancy...magic the gathering
warhammer is already fancy, you know how much it costs?
@@adrianalfonsocardenasherna7787 ITS NOT FANCY ENOUGH
WE NEED IT TO BE F A N C I E R
Admissions officer reply: Yeah, we do that! You're in!
"It's because I want to play fancy Warhammer." DAMMIT! "Yes, sir, the U.S. Navy Waughh simulator is right this way..."
Creative Assembly should take a visit, maybe they'll finally figure out how to improve naval battles...
Damn son
Give em some
That's quite a roast
seriously I hope I can see a day where AI is atleast like drunk 12 years old kid.
SAVAGE
All these years of playing total war games finally payed off, and my mom said all those "lost" hours wouldnt amount to anything WHO IS LAUGHING NOW MOM
she is, because you are still not getting paid to do so.
@@Gunni1972 savage
@@Gunni1972 Probably, but dear God if I still got a good time out of those 1000 plus hours of game so it was worth it xD. The General will see it and bow down to me...hopefully.
Total war, the strategy games with no strategy.
1 v 1 me on total war rn nerd
🤣🤣
*Laughs in Varangian Guard*
@@Harshhaze Laughs In Dismounted Conquistadore
Total war, the strategy games with no strategy.
@@anab0lic I would disagree, as there is some strategy involved. Now I wouldn't go as far to say that it requires the most strategy or has the best way implement your strategy.
Modern schools: We will improve our teaching by incorporating games into our classes.
Navy War College: You mean, what we did 130 years ago?
"Learning the game was about a month of teaching".
Children, let the man introduce you to the ungodly 6th edition of Warhammer.
As a D&D GM I was impressed they could plot 3 minutes of maneuvers in 30 mins. 3 minutes of combat might take us all night.
To be fair, the calculus of wheter or not a ship should continue on this course, change bearing/speed, fire weapons from it's selection of maybe 6 different ordinances is a lot less than your typical lvl 10 player haha
@@Globalnet626 I suppose the navy has their new officers for the picking amongst the DnD community then.
TBH soldiers don't have 10 different spells to choose
@@realdragon And I'd wager they don't get distracted by banter and attempts of breaking or cheesing the game.
to be fair 5e is full of combat bloat
I served in Sim's Hall between 1978 and 1980, mainly as a terminal operator for the various officers gaming and the "Admiral" officiating. The main game floor (not shown in the video) was an auditorium seating approximately 300, a gaming floor for about 30 officers, with the focal point being the world's largest (at the time) computerized projection screen (roughly the size of an Imax screen). Officers "manning" the on-screen ships were housed in small offices, cut off from all visuals and communications except traditional "ship-board" comms, with the results of their choices shown in real time on the screen. The computer system was housed in a separate room approximately the size of two city busses. I met Tom Clancy there, who had an office set aside so he could conduct research, write, and interview personnel. I loved serving there, and had the Navy allowed it, I would have served there until retirement. But in 1980 I was forced to either reenlist for duty onboard a ship or leave the service. I truly did not enjoy shipboard duty, so I left. Bad decision? Hmmm...
1992-95.
Exactly the same set up third floor in the center wing was the cells as you describe.
The gaming floor was center wing first floor.
The west wing plenum area was actually a converted swimming pool. You could even see the old tiles on the walls.
We had 25 or so OS's doing games.
In early 1995 Admiral Strasser (War College President) said hey Simms Hall while historic and ok for war gaming was becoming inefficient and we need a new building for the War Gaming Department.
Our group in Advanced Concepts actually was tasked with what a "perfect" War Gaming building would look like.
We over two months from June-July 1995 even did "furniture" drills for what a perfect room would be. Late July 1995 we finished (this design group was so important that 4 of us got pulled from Global 95 to help design the new building). We finished the design and sent it to the architects for designs and detailed prices.
The room design was my last tasking and went back to sea on CG-64 for 5 years.
Did a port call in Newport in 1997 and saw them breaking ground on McCarty-Little.
Suddenly, I realized how my perfect mancave is going to look like.
What I imagine in war gaming simulation.
Admiral: I've sunk your battleship!!
Took a few seminars there over the years. Thanks for the trip down memory lane.
That's awesome! I thoroughly enjoyed all the faculty that I met with there and hope the experience was a good one.
I love your content in general but HOLY CRAP was that cool. I guess I didn’t realize that the Navy has been playing military D&D since the 1800s. I have quite a bit of research to do, and I’m looking forward to the upcoming vids on this topic!
This is an excellent interview. I always noticed that when a interviewee is talkative, it's best to sit back and listen. Invicta was brilliant in this interview by allowing the historian to present his full presentation uninterrupted. I felt like we received a lot of data in a very short time.
I can't stand the Joe Rogan's of the world who cuts off the guest and takes them off topic. I feel like we miss half the story.
Invicta should have a gaming facility of his own where he can teach people how to be a strategic documentary producer. :)
Except he was leaning back and forth and looking around showing disinterest and impatience...
The Bates It’s a guided tour, not an interview at all though.
Sky Marbles Have you ever been on a guided tour? You’re standing still listening to someone for hours and staring intently at them when it’s just the two of you would be really awkward.
@@theespatier4456 you can't compare a guide tour with a interviewer . when someone talks directly to you and you are alone ,you won't look at the persons shoes . because eye contact is a sign of respect and attention.
Sky Marbles It’s a guided tour though... not an interview.
Thanks for sharing this. Imagine the feeling in the heat of a large war game as your teachers and peers judge you.
I want to see Prestige military school vs Pro HOI player in this game.
Get a hoi 4 guy with a total war guy and make some type of chain of command with gamers, against trained military
Now that's gaming
@@furinick hoi3 would be alot more interesting
@@lucioordo3647 dear god
That's a documented story that during ww2 British admiral Max Horton played against Janet OKell of WATU to test suggested tactics against u-boats. Lost three in a row against just turned 18 non-officer girl.
@@adrianalexandrov7730 does the tactic of this 18 non officer girl eventually be used IRL?
Fascinating tour and interview, thankyou to the War College for allowing this!
I really love how you put so much effort into your videos and your content in generall!
That you visit places and sites and talk with actual people that know their field instead of relying solely on written information.
Really awesome man, love your work, keep it up, wont take long before you hit 1 mil subs. & Take care!
Thanks for the kind words. I do hope to conduct more of these sorts of visits to serve as a bridge between the public and the historical community. Lot's of fun in store! I'll see you at 1 million : )
Fantastic! Did a lot of Harpoon (civilian wargaming system, but so detailed that Clancy used and later got in trouble for his accuracy) in my youth. It'd be fun to play at that scale.
Did you ever play Jane's Fleet Command?
Awesome! I would probably never get a chance to see this in person. Thank you for bringing this experience to us.
Absolutely stunning video. I can't wait for the new ones in the series!!!
Thanks! Be sure to share around if you enjoyed : )
Wot he said 👌
I had a chance to go for a week when I was 16, but the training got cancelled. I am impressed and incredibly jealous you got to have this opportunity. Thank you so much for sharing.
Very interesting topic, wargaming as a educational tool has been used for a long time but it’s stunning to see it that much put in focus on this one.
what a cool video. Don't see content like this very often. Love it!
Glad you enjoyed! It was a blast to visit and I definitely look forwards to sharing the rest. For me, the discussion of how modern military wargaming works Pete Pellegrino is definitely a highlight.
Great series, as all your videos! I hope that youtube revenue is good, as you certainly deserve it for the level of professionalism put into your channel. Cheers!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing this unique experience with us Invicta.
Awesome content as always invicta!
The open source strategy game Battle for Wesnoth shows a detailed probability breakdown of what effects a possible attack can have on the defender and attacker. A good move in my opinion.
Your excitement is contagious
Most excellent! Thanks for sharing this!
Very nice tour.
I was stationed in Newport in the late 60's and early 70's aboard the USS Samuel B. Roberts DD823, and the USS Joseph P. Kennedy Jr DD850 which is now a museum in Fall River, Mass.
Visited the Naval College Museum at Annapolis a couple years back . Need to visit this one too. A old friend Roger Rhodes was an instructor at the Naval War College. I played plenty of wargames with him before that.
Way cool! Definitely recommend checking the USNWC out. I'll have to swing by Annapolis some day.
It takes one month to learn the game?
So you're saying video game nerds who play all day would be the best candidates for naval officers?
meh
Only special types of nerds
No
Most video games are built to be intuitive and easy to understand. I mean, if you play obscure 4x strategy games for thousands of hours and also you're a high performing student, and also you are physically fit, and also fairly charismatic and a good leader, yeah you'd make a good naval officer lol
Great idea to start making such videos. Thank you.
😍😍 This is so great! Thanks for sharing it!
Sounds like an awesome series of videos is born. Hooked!
Please Sega take notes BTW
Great video!
I’m so glad this channel is finding success and expanding. You provide some of the best info out here for us armchair tacticians.
Ps: crossover with lindybeige. Just sayin.
There’s a reason most navy guys love 40k, warhammer, D&D, Etc. its in our blood
I'm starting to see where western and Japanese RPGs differ.
Western RPGs from Western Table tops hench the Emphasis on numbers and build.
Jrpgs from Light novels hench the Emphasis on Story.
15:13 why did he moved like Capt. Jack Sparrow ? Hahaha
I think it was his realization that he needed to indicate "follow me" but had just clasped his hands to conclude his speech, so he used his upper body as an awkward substitute? Or maybe there was a boom mic just out of frame and he didn't want to bonk it.
Either way, I found the gaffe comical, but his animated manner and enthusiasm for the subject was totally captivating.
Great Video, SIR!!!!
great video. thanks for sharing. have you done one for the Army War College? or perhaps the Command and Staff school?
Invicta PLEASE upload the modern wargaming video fast. I CAN'T WAIT
It takes a month to learn the rules? I'd love to see that rule book!
@S Uriel Pretty sure it does, but it certainly doesn't have the kind of rules people are familiar with.
In this context they're referring to physical representations of what would happen, not in the traditional moral sense that rules are applied to society.
Mundane things like your boat will only move at X speed and cannot go faster than Y speed.
Not rules like don't kill thy neighbour. That would be societal rule.
Wargame rules are significantly more complex than the rules of Scrabble or Monopoly. Even the rules to early commercial wargames, such as Tactics II of 1958. Especially if you have never encountered such a thing before. Some people never get the hang of them.
@S Uriel _"War has no rules dumb fuck"_
Wargames do have rules, and Pellegrino was talking about games, not actual war.
@@michaelsommers2356 agreed. Also war do have rules such as the laws of physics
@Rick Dawg it does have fucking rules and if you break them they are called war crimes. WHO IS THE DUMB FUCK NOW???
What I wouldnt give for a textbook or two from this place. That guy is a great host for the tour.
Congrats Rhode Island you finally did something
Edit: who am I kidding I live in New Jersey
Jersey brought us the next best thing, Snooki's Whoregames. Lol
@@LouisGFranco Ya'll just mad we have the best battleship
@@M3RUL3Z "We"? Humor me by elaborating on "we" as in "we have the best battleship".
@@LouisGFranco "no" - Brandon Belvedere, a little under three weeks ago apparently.
@@WoWhistorian @brandon "Oh fuck me, your lady friend has a voice", "put a lead on her before she gets bitten", @matthew "now you don't want to get bitten do you sweetheart" lmfao th-cam.com/video/HG5hpzKZtYI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video
Damn, I would LOVE to see their version "Carriers at War"!
Pete is an endless font of information and stories.
Thank you for posting this video, very interesting. But… Where are the other videos announced in this one? I could not find Wargaming Explained or Modern Wargaming for example
Wonderful!
Great video
Simply awesome
You look just as I pictured it. 😆 good job on your videos
This is really cool, to say the least!
I wonder if there has been, or could be an event where military personnel can go against esports players in a wargame, be it a military one or a videogame one like Total War.
Definitely no, because pro player play games for the public that are balanced for fun. Besides the steps to play lets say, War of warships is totally different to this, here you have support staff and the like, in the other you dont even care for the fuel for the trip home or rules of engament
I love the story about Japanese war gaming out the invasion of Midway in 1942. In the war game, the officer playing out the Americans managed a carrier attack on the Kido Butai and sank 2 carriers. The umpire for the war game declared that the Americans shouldn’t have been where the officer had put them and reset the game.
That anecdote actually makes it in to my interview discussion about wargaming in WW2
Actually, the attack that sank two carriers was made by land-based bombers. In the event, several attacks by B-17s on Japanese ships resulted in exactly zero hits, so the umpire was not wrong in discounting the hits in the game. See pages 46-47 of Perla's _Art of Wargaming._
Wow great stuff
Jane also did Jane's Wargames for PC.. Had F/A 18 Hornet (fly as a F/A 18 pilot), 688(i) Hunter/Killer (Be a Los Angeles class Attack Submarine commander) and my personal favorite Jane's Fleet Command where you control an entire Carrier Group, including the planes off of carriers.
Since Jane died in 1916, I doubt he ever used a PC.
Wow, this channel keeps getting better and better every upload. Keep it up!
Thanks, I was pretty excited to release this series as I'd consider it a pretty big milestone in the evolution of the channel
Part of the success and feedback loop were the annual fleet exercises that tested rules, results and tactics used in games, it both let the gaming inspire exercises and let exercises put realism into the gaming. I believe no other navy was teaching, gaming and exercising its leadership, its tactics and its officers in this way, both theory and practice for war to come.
Any chance of you going over the USS Liberty incident?
im curious to why the naval college would be so a far away from the the actual huge navy bases on the east coast?
It used to be down south but got moved up the Rhode Island as a result of pressure during the Civil War and then I guess just stayed there
New England and the nearby States had a significant number of military bases, as well as ship yards, and a significant amount of military infrastructure at one time, growing in importance with the Civil War. The 1990s is really when the majority of the bases began to see a significant loss in importance (New London/Groton, CT excluded).
New York, Boston, New London, Portsmouth, and Newport, amongst many others.
Newport is also the location for officer candidate school, so it probably helps that a lot of the training is in the same place.
"this was your huge Naval Base" back in the day just as West Point was for the US Army was until 1948 and "Present at the Creation"(the Pentagon, the Cold War, the Nuclear Triad, etc).
Well, at the time of NWC's founding, Newport WAS a significant naval base, and would remain so for many decades into the 1990s. Got downsized (the base, not the NWC itself) a bit during the '90s BRAC process. Also worth noting, the base today is still a lot more than just the NWC. I did not attend NWC, but went to Newport multiple times for various months-long training courses. There were still several frigates based at Newport when I went to Division Officer Course in '90; they had been shifted down to Norfolk (or just plain decommissioned) by the time I came back for Department Head School in '95.
Newport, RI is also home to Navy's Officer Training Command, which trains, you guessed it, new Navy officers outside of USNA
COOL VIDEO
Love the physical map on the wall.
Well it wasn't Warhammer as expected but still interesting! 😜
😮Logistics war gaming sounds amazing!! Thanks for the great vid! 😃
I was in North Kingstown last week , near the Quonset Base .
Amazing place.. I am fortunate to be trained in this facility.
Very intresting, very cool.
Just wait till we get to talk to Pete extensively about the mechanics of wargaming, its fascinating
@@InvictaHistory Nice! Looking forward to it.
Awesomeee
You'd think having lived in Newport for 20 years I'd have visited this place once or twice, but lol nope. Great vid though and looking forward to the others!
Ah cool, great to hear from a local. I'll actually be uploaded a guided tour of the museum so you can check out more of what's available.
I don't understand how Invicta doesn't have 1M subs, he deserves it
meh hes seriously hit and miss especially if you fact check some of his videos(mainly his earlier ones)
guess what
More topic like this please.
Got more documentary videos from the trip coming right up!
History nerd's dream!:D
if i ever visit this place, all im gonna be hearing in my head is "DISPLAY THEIR MIGHT, ORDERING CARRIERS, ADMIRALS AT WAR"
Okay this is epic
Right? I was so excited to visit. I literally didnt eat, drink or go to the bathroom when I was there because I was so excited
@@InvictaHistory Wow that's dedication right there.
you hitting the gym recently Oakley?
those arms are looking thicc son
Lindybeige has a great vid on war games in history too.
Rhode Island represent! from Bristol
It would be very interesting to see a group of trained officers go up against a mixed group of total war and paradox grand strategy players in a long drawn out game.
Takes notes in Russian spy 🇷🇺
We are
"so this is how we do our prep and planning for training".
If you need to take notes on how to do training I think you're a few centuries behind on military research mate.
@@Madhattersinjeans
Sarcasm is a dying art form. Sad. As Trump would say. Sad.
S Uriel the American ignorance is making me cringe.
@@punctuationman334 If you think that guy is American you're more ignorant than him.
Simple, taking wargames serious is the difference between invading Normandy, and cavalry charging into machine gun fire.
Always ask the question "if I where my enemy, what would be the best move" and then switch sides again after finding a counter.
Helps in Chess, games, live and war.
So wait they say also had war game for both space and cyber warfare I'm curious to see how those run maybe It may give me a reson to get battletech warships mintures.
Stationed in War Gaming Department April 92 to July 95.
Lots of information if you want.
So I'm a nurse going into the navy once I graduate my bachelor's program. I've never wanted to get into a program more. Unfortunately, I think this will be out of my scope of practice.
Not American but would still want to go there lol
Y'all ever played CMANO tho?
I wanna go there
Invicta: Which thumbnail should I use?
Majority of subscribers: Number 1
Invicta: *uses number 6 instead*
Majority of subscribers: Am I a joke to you?
I used #1 at first but then got a notification from TH-cam saying that the video was underperforming so I tried to swap it out to see if that made a difference (EDIT: Swapped the thumbnail back)
@@InvictaHistory
When will you visit Moscow Military Museum? Its beutifull.
There is the Victory Museum for WW2
And
Museum of Patriotic War 1812
Now it's something entirely different! :)
I just translated the book Shared Fantasy, by Gary Alan Fine, that is mostly about roleplaying games, but delves into its connexions with wargames, and has a whole section about the Japanese navy losing the battle of Midway, because two of their admirals cheated during the wargame simulation, effectively ressurecting sunken ships. The real battle followed the results of the simulation, according to the umpire that survived the war.
You can find the whole book online: books.google.fr/books?id=rLlLbN0XuSEC&lpg=PP1&dq=shared%20fantasy%20gary%20alan%20fine
Thanks for sharing. That anecdote does actually appear in one of my interviews about Wargaming in WW2
Well,that an broken code 🧐
Out of curiosity... Why would they not use decommissioned ships for their practical training? The USN got plenty of those, during its history.
Cost money
It takes a lot of time and resources that can be used elsewhere to use and maintain such ships. At least for training cadets. I believe that this does occur for actual military practice however.
Decommissioned ships often have parts that need to be cannibalized for repairs of other ships
where do I buy the premium ships and consumables?
That's only available at the Moscow naval war college.
Luce Hall is not Pringle Hall. How long has he worked here?
I like the massive furniture which can be easily used to create barricades.
You can actually see the miasma of misery emanating from Navy OCS while at the college
15:14
😂
It's Capt. Jack Sparrow 😂
More!
🎵I'm thinking 'bout, when I was a sailor, spend my time on the open seas~
thats why im joining the navy
Join a real branch you pansy
he has a truly impressive scholar's cradle
Michael what does that mean
ya need to watch more Lindybeige. Specifically his earlier sponsorship shout-outs for the great courses plus
Pringle Hall. Of course there's a Pringle Hall.