@alain did you see Russia's failed attempt to take over Keiv, and then to make their loss look better they claimed that it was their plan all along to retreat?
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Russia's first move was no where near aggressive enough. They definitely miscalculated Kiev's control on the military and the civilian population. But make no mistake, despite what the MSM outlets here are telling you, Ukrainians are being grinded down and they're increasingly deploying asymmetrical methods, and Russia hasn't even fully mobilized. Unless NATO is willing to directly intervene, the writings are on the walls.
"Wars are created by rich and ambitious men but fought by fools" Thomas Sankara The world will be a better place if we all stop being selfish to assume that we are more powerful than others and should have greater control than others. Someday there is going to be a terrible mistake and the world will never be the same again.
I just saw this, and the strategy at 5 mins and some change of attacking US forces in Japan wouldn't bring Japan into war is BEYOND ridiculous. The facilities we use in Japan are shared facilities, meaning that if an attack were to occur there would be a high probability of indirectly attacking Japanese forces, which would bring Japan in this war.
@@stevelucky7579 ......japan need to worry about it's existence first and only. Any attack to china from Japan will trigger maybe......10 hydrogen bombs I would say from north to south. Then there would be no Japan. I like Japan. It would be tragic if Japan get involved.
Hey! Stop that thinking now! We will tell you what truth is! China slipped a spy into their war strategy room? How do they get access to this classified information? Oh- I know! They turn on NBC news media and watch a nationally televised news broadcast!! Wow!! What a display of military genius!! I feel so safe now! Don’t you?
I find it interesting that the Chinese team went straight to preemptive attacks on the US in not only US territory but also Japanese territory. I personally don’t see China doing either of those things because a preemptive strike on their part would mean even greater conflict. They would draw NATO members into direct conflict. Japan would likely swiftly pass a resolution to convert their capable defense forces into a standard military organization. Korea may even get involved with the prospect of an attack on their soil increasingly likely based on the attacks on Japan. At that point, China and Russias “no-limit” partnership would be tested and if Russia assists them, it would be global conflict and the likely destruction of everything. Given that being the likely outcome of that decision, I think China would simply invade Taiwan with the expectation that the US response will be no different from what’s happening in Ukraine.
@@vice2versa A preemptive attack that doesn't take out America's ability to attack doesn't make sense. You would have to take out the air bases in Japan, Guam, South Korea, the Philippines, and the carrier strike groups out at the same time. However, this could happen due to a miscalculation on China's part due them believing Americans are cowardly to the China threat.
WHAT SO LAUGHABLE IS THAT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE THINKS THEY HAVE THIS ALL FIGURED OUT. BUT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE OF WHATS COMING AND WHEN ITS COMING.
I am from country in Europe which is member of NATO and I don't see why should my country will be part of this conflict? I don't think that single person in my country is ready to die for Taiwan.
That’s because they might strategically sit this out and play a limited logistics role. China has plenty of manpower and influence to consume these fronts if they wish to join into “hot” war. North Korea, at the direction of China, will keep South Korea busy backed by Chinese, and what is left of Russia, in the North. Europe, being so dependent on China for everything other than energy (Russia for that) will backfill American troops but primarily serve as logistics. Keep in mind, they will still be ramping up for Russian conflicts and Russia could have capacity by then to keep EU nations consumed.
@@thilomanten8701 India is not stupid they know if China falls they are next to be stepped on. They would love to see the West fight China but to get involved in any meaningful way is wishful thinking
No offense but really need to check your "experts" again. There were so many stupid ideas done in this it makes no sense whatsoever. The only one who made real sense was that general.
@@wendigotea6020 Attacking Japan, attack the US, nuclear strikes etc, all for no reason. A channel called History Legends went over this some time ago so I suggest checking it out. But the basic thing is that these "experts" aren't actually experts and lack the most basic ideas for a war game based on reality.
Hi, a Japanese here. Mr. Wuthnow said limiting the target to US would delay the involvement of Japan, if I heard him right. I think targeting the US bases in Japan would definitely cause Japan to see the attack as the attack on its soil because, 1. Many of US bases are adjacent to densely developed civilian areas (Naval base in Yokosuka or Sasebo, MCAS iwakuni, Futenma Air station etc etc). Attack on those would certainly inflict damage on civilian areas, and 2. Some bases are shared between US and Japan (e.g. Misawa AFB, oh, and it’s also adjacent to civilian airport too). So again, attack on those would be seen as attack on JSDF as well. I was listening to this whilst cooking my dinner, so sorry if I misheard something. Just wanted to point this out. Either way, it was great discussion.
Chinese here. Exactly what I thought too. It's in China's interests to confine the war in certain area, meaning area over Taiwan, and also with certain countries, meaning the US only, if possible. So, seems to me, the RED side goes full out for the US bases in the Pacific is not at all wise. Attacking those bases would surely invite retaliations to the targets along China's east coast, where all the best part of our econemy is. Of course we can hit back and make more demage, but the problem is we have much fewer measure to make it happen than the US can do to us. After all, we can not start firing nuclear missles just to revenge a conventional bombing over Shanghai.
As Chinese, we will help the Japanese drive away the Americans and free you from the American colonies, so it is best to remain neutral in the event of war. Let the self defense forces protect the people, not be the cannon fodder of the US Army
@@eastqb as an American I assure you that the US is more advanced and ruthless than you might ever expect so don’t hope that an worn out regime will protect you guys if you decide to invade other countries.
@@akro9358 Thank you for your reminder, but obviously there are some things you don't know. Taiwan is not a country, and it is not recognized by the United Nations, so the moment the United States sent troops, the United Nations also became a decoration, personally destroying the order created after World War II
As Helmuth von Moltke said...... "no military plan of operation extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength." It's a well known saying amongst commanders and has been proven time and time and time again.. The modern short version is "no plan survives the first contact with the enemy" and has been proven time and time again and time again.
These are the groups that want war with China and other perceived enemy countries. For them, China has become "intolerable" and hence would like to destroy or humiliate China. Basically, they want a rising China and other countries to be subservient and to "know their place" These are the groups 1) Neocons 2) Zionists 3) Evangelical Protestants 4) US/British military suppliers 5) Media Groups 6) "America First" Think Tanks 7) Businesses in direct competition with China
Back in the late 70s, it was hypothesised that in a European war, Russia would use nuclear weapons, if there was the possibility that they could be completely destroyed on the ground. It was put forward that if this was going to happen, and to stop a complete collapse of the USSR, they would demonstrate their resolve to go full nuclear. The scenario put forward, was that they would obliterate Perth, on the west coast of Australia, thus indicating that there is always the possibility of total destruction of the west, if the USSR is to fall. The thinking behind this was the USSR could show to the western powers, that they were very serious about their future, by the total destruction of a populated, industrial western city. And the demonstration, though completely horrific, the damage was isolated by distance from the rest of the world. Thankfully the clock never got too midnight....
As far as I know the battle plans for the sowjet invasion of western Europe became public after the collapse of the Sowjet Union. These plans included prolific use of tactic nuclear weapons on the battlefield. Among other things the sowjet planners wanted to nuke Rhine bridges to hamper support from France and passes in the Alps to counter support from Italy. In one such plan they were using something like 50 tactical nukes just in and around Germany. So this WW3 scenario would have gone nuclear from the start.
@@counter-intelligence7902 Yes, i saw an interview with a Russian general who was in charge of what would have been an amphibious and airborne attack on Denmark in the event of WW3. I forget precisely how many but it was over 30 tactical nukes he was to drop, prior to landing, on Denmark alone.
@@TMarkLenthall What a pathetic attempt at excusing evil. War isn't licence to massacre civilians just so you can demonstrate a weapon. If you think it is then you're really no better than the losers.
any discussion over Taiwan that reduces the situation to a contest between US and China is problematic and especially so when it comes to war gaming like this that excludes the involvement of Americas partners and allies in the Asia Pacific. If they want a war game that is truly representative they need to at a bare minimum include officials from Taiwan and Japan or else the exercise is just going to remain theoretical
This war game was a waste of time. The moment Chinese forces hit targets on American soil--especially Hawaii--it goes from being a Chinese-Taiwan conflict to becoming a full blown (and probably declared) U.S.-Chinese war. At that point the Chinese will need to be worried about defending its mainland and less about whether it can take Taiwan, which at that point becomes more of an sideshow. The other point that wasn't sufficiently addressed was the role of America's vast nuclear submarine fleet; a handful of these attack boats would quickly annihilate China's surface and submarine fleet, leaving any forces that might have gotten ashore on Taiwan without logistical support. The scenario as laid out in this exercise would be catastrophic for China (though not without significant cost to America and her allies) and likely end in a regime change in Beijing. The only thing that can be done is to convince China that regardless of how much they would like to regain Taiwan, it simply isn't a military reality and they would be better served to join the nations of the world rather than oppose them. If they are truly serious about reunification with Taiwan, they should pursue increasingly closer political and economic ties with the island in the hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus. In other words, Taiwan could vote to become an autonomous province of China while retaining its democratic infrastructure. Any effort to reunify the two China's by force, however, will forever end any chance of China ever regaining it's "lost" territory.
Everyone assumes China needs to take taiwan. The realistic scenerio is that China just needs to wipe taiwan off the maps. China has no need for Taiwan. This isn't the donbass where there are ethnic russians who still loves russia. Taiwanese has been indoctrinated in the last 20 years to believe they are no longer chinese thus china has nothing to gain by taking and holding land. It just need to turn everything into waste so that Taiwan cannot be used by the US as a deterance.
I totally agree. This was a waste of time. Surely INTEL would know a conflict was imminent. The US would have 3 Carrier groups in the Pacific east of Taiwan. The Chinese would have all naval assets to interdict any supply to Taiwan as well as submarines to address those US carrier groups. China attacking Alaska??? Really?? Alaska is fuel and radar. Hitting Hawaii or San Diego would instantly make it a China-USA war. China's stratified supply system, and the US' SLBM's weren't even thought of.....
@@hallo84 It was never about taking land. It was never about the US using Taiwan as a deterant. Taiwan is a symbol of resistance to the irresistible forces of Communism. The fact that Taiwan is doing much better under capitalism and democracy than China is under Communism only points out the failures of Mao's China. As long as Taiwan exists, China can never "feel" like a great nation. Besides, how does one "wipe" an island of over 12,000 square miles off the map?
the capabilities of US submarines is overrated, when use in litoral waters off the chinese coast they would get spotted very easily by the chinese version of SOSUS and dispatched by ASW aircraft launched from the mainland. They also run a huge risk of just blundering into chinese diesel subs that are lying in ambush. They would never get within torpedo range of ships in the taiwan strait and would be spotted the moment they fired off cruise missiles near it. The only use for US subs would be fighting in the open seas and as nuclear deterance.
These types of war games scenarios need to be played out every day with actual military and espionage leadership at the table, to have a proper picture of all possible scenarios played out. Which I’m sure goes on. In my opinion there is a high probability of WW3 from a China/ Taiwan war
This game- invasion proves one thing? Alliance's are needed like in world war 1,2. No one could win a long-term war. I believe everyone should awake up modern warfare is mean strong alliance's 💪.
Think tanks like these don’t really show a good sense of actual scenarios and outcomes of a true invasion this same one did one on Ukraine and was so off from what they said to what actually happened. It was very disappointing but predictable. We need real military officials to do these scenarios to get an actual outcome. Like you said this should be done quite often.
These games are played more often than most would realize. Fortunately and unfortunately the takeaways can only be presented to civilian leadership. The final decision come from them. They can listen or "take it under advisement". It's a check/balance benefit to ensure the military is beholden to civilian leadership but it comes at a cost as well.
Just watched this, and it's preposterous. In their scenario, the Chinese strike THREE states and the US does not retaliate by hitting the Chinese mainland? Bad enough if they hit our bases in Guam and Japan, etc., but San Diego? Hawaii? If they did that we'd take out one or more of their major ports--probably Shanghai--which would immediately choke off their export-driven economy. And we wouldn't need to nuke it--cruise missiles launched from submarines would do the job nicely. Xi may be ruthless, but he's not crazy.
It's as if these participants have never heard of a Tomahawk cruise missile launched from an attack submarine, let alone the US Navy's four Ohio-class SSGNs.
I can honestly honestly say I had the honor to have lived next to the generation that fought and died for what was right. They're all gone now. But I won't let them be forgotten. They were kind very brave people and Humanity must never forget what they fought and died for
It can be your turn to do your country proud to fight and die for the defense of taiwan, if it really comes to war that so many of you are clamoring for
For the one who from taiwan, a reality show if US attack china military first, otherwise china without any possible to attack US, but that TV show with not catch one's eye , in fact taiwan is part of china , mostly taiwanese will stand with china not US , US will not got any benefit. in fact china govement absolutely not topple down at future , that war will cause the world will not go on the good way , that's why US will not interfere that and also no reason interfere,most of taiwansese belive they are part of china. in fact taiwan is part of china on constitution of taiwan govement. Taiwan's economic was closeness with China ,and 2.7million taiwanese was living china, foreign trade was more then 50% to china, that's why taiwanese will help china and we still do that at moment.
@@arumba7345 nah. If I had to die In any war, it would be in the European theatre of ww2. Germany was trying for literal world occupation and racist supremacy. Most wars are kind of BS. Taiwan and Ukraine are grey areas imo, likewise, many other wars are grey areas.
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I was most struck by the fact that China automatically gets the initiative-the US and Taiwan can never be 100% sure if this time its just Saber rattling that can be shrugged off or an actual invasion. China essentially gets a guaranteed advantage from that, whatever posture is taken by Taiwan and the USA.
I’ve seen no evidence that anyone has “shrugged off” the possibility of a Chinese attack. Everyone from Australia to the Philippine military to Japan and South Korea has been building new ships and next gen fighters and subs and drones to take out the Covid-19 loving CCP government forces. The USA tried to get along and endorsed allowing the CCP to join the WTO, which, did no good 😡‼️After Covid-19, everyone wants to get a BIG PIECE of the despicable, misanthropic, corrupt CCP and you better believe that🤨🤨‼️
I spent my childhood growing up with all these threats in Taiwan and so is every Taiwanese people, even till today. Simply recognizing this issue is making me thankful.
I agree, it would be easy for China to just sail up to Taiwan without firing a shot and regurgitate its first wave of troops onto Taiwanese beaches to “restore order”. Civil unrest can be staged, plenty of Chinese sleepers in Taiwan and would Taiwan fire first on unarmed troopships? The least amount of collateral means less allies, going hot from day one just draws more and more countries in against China. From Chinas perspective, Taiwan is just another state that’s gone rogue in a civil war decades ago. Few countries actually recognise Taiwan as a country in its own right, so would the world react and on what legal, moral basis would it do so?
Yes exactly, just like what happened to Russia from the first few days of the invasion. They achieved surprise. The Ukrainians were surprised. Surprised that the Russian military is incompetent, LOL!!
I agree with you 💯 % ! They are trying to manufacture consent for war with the American public this is their ploy ! We all need to stand up and say no war ! No sending US troops to die to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex ! No to using our tax payer money for war ! We need to take care of the American ppl and fix our infrastructure!
US has and will be the main cause of war in the world. These white supremacists think that they of own the right to meddle in every country's internal affairs and politics. They behave as the self appointed savior which in fact is the demon that will bring WW3.
As a Chinese living in the US, I, honestly, am fascinated to see this idea, to have a war on the paper board instead of putting it into real action. There will be no winners in war. Peace and love!
That's what Americans think about themselves. That's not how the Chinese see you. They see a US army that has never seen a fair fight in almost 80 years. And the Russian experience in Ukraine should really tell us that armies that look good against helpless enemies in the Middle East are no good against enemies who fight back
USA only won 2 times against Major power First was Germany in WW2 when USSR destroyed over 85% of german forces by then Second was against Japan when USA asked for USSR to clear Japanese forces in Asia
It's interesting they fail to mentiion India. The Quad has been meeting in force lately and I have huge doubts India would not want to square away their border with China if not exploit Beijing's turned backs to them and go straight for Tibet.
@@brightlight3520 Exactly, I can understand why they would want to roleplay a game of the key actors but I find any real scenario would be a lot more complex and involve many more countries making moves.
@@brightlight3520 I doubt that NK and Russia will act. The former doesn't have money and will to help China. The latter will hold grudges over China's inaction during Ukraine invasion. IF China were losing, Russia might even invade China from the north to 'help' US, just like USSR took 4 islands from Japan at the end of WWII.
There are some comments questioning whether PLA can be as effective as in the simulation, but this looks more like a stress test scenario: the US forces are initially dispersed, US can only call for limited allies, and perfect coordination of air and amphibious operation of PLA.
@@zhangsen China looks west for the 10th time and US and Taiwan take away all their chips like with Huawei. China goes back to the Stone Age since they can only copy others. Last Chinese invention was gunpowder.
Fully agreed. China will do everything not to pull USA or Japan into the war. Also China will have similar or better air supremacy as Russia has in Ukraine. And unlike Ukraine Taiwan cannot be resupplied by allied nations after the war has started without supporting nations participating in that war.
I am truly worried, if these guys are considered our think tanks on this matter. These are not experts, they have no idea what a real strategy looks like.
No way China attacks Japan or Guam. After seeing what happened in Ukraine don’t think China wants an invasion of Taiwan either. An blockade and a bombing of Taiwan would get Taiwan leaders back to the bargaining table.
I found this interesting. I've never listened-in on how people think and reason things out in such a way. Of course it could be miles away from reality. None the less I found how people thought things through, most revealing.
@一波未平 yes we Will and we will defend them . We won’t make same mistake in Ukraine. We will send a fleet to defeat and humiliate communist Chinese goverment
@一波未平 no it has not. China had many famines in the last 100 years just like last 20 years there was any growth . The zero Covid policy is failing and back firing . Making china look like a nightmare to live in with no democracy or freedom of speech . I think democracies have better advantage over communist china
a few key factors that are not considered in their scenario. 1. their scenario is a bit aggressive even for china most likely china will not invade guam or japan US bases. but very likely use a blockade of small ships - even including china's militia of FISHING BOATS as blockade. knowing that US forces might not directly fire a percieved civilian ships. 2. as of current. there are no present US FORCES in the philippines. Unless a aircraft carrier was deployed beforehand to preposition ships and planes. 3. any movement that china that is outside of its territory will be automatically be noticed and cause of alarm for US forces. If China moves a single ship close to japan or guam it will surely be noticed ahead of time.
Any hostile move by China - even blockading naval ports - would be seen by the US as an act of war and would mean that the US would immediately bring its full military strength to the defense of Taiwan. China does not want this to happen, so it will not undertake any such foolishness.
China's fishing fleet is a part of China's military, which is the only reason they've not ever been fired upon or seized by any of the nations whose waters they routinely plunder. You can't use civilians as a defensive shield in conflict. Some of their Maritime Militia, which blend into the fishing fleet and act as though they are regular fishing ships until activated, actually carry mines and anti-aircraft weapons among other things, plus they can be used to support amphibious landings. By forming a blockade at the command of the PLN with active military hidden amongst them, they would be demonstrating that they are a willing military target. They'll be given a chance to surrender if they don't strike first, but America will absolutely fire upon them.
If you have an island and want to defend it. What you need: 1. A sea mine belt of thousands of sea mines around your island. No one will reach your island by ship. 2. Air defense with intelligent defense systems and drones and the reduction of landing opportunities for helicopters and aircraft. 3. Tunnel systems and underground structures for the protection of important resources. That is the basis of the defense.
Nice ideas. They should also have long range cruise missiles. So the enemy will know there will be a painful retaliation. Additionally use ballistic missiles to target tunnels, train tracks bridges and other military infrastructure.
Very interesting, but I found it unrealistic that China would preemptively attack the United States in its own territory and also Japan. That would be reckless and the surest way to pull in the United States and its allies into the conflict. It would also give political cover to whomever is the President at that time to act. Without an attack on American soil, the public will be very skeptical of involving the Country in a far away war with China, a major power, to defend Taiwan. Recklessness is not the Chinese way, they are anything but reckless. The best way for China would be to defeat Taiwan in a week or two without attacking anyone else but giving a stern warning that intromission would mean war. Then present the World with a fait accompli. If Russians hadn't been so incompetent, they would have gotten away with the invasion of Ukraine before the rest of the World would have had the chance to intervene. The Chinese are aware of that.
You can see the Chinese being hostile like that that's really not how they do business but for most of history China is always a superpower so we're going to have to figure out how to deal with that
If there is even one lesson from the Ukraine war, it is that the US will know 3 months ahead if an invasion will happen. And it will shout loudly to the world telling everybody the exact date of the invasion. There will be multiple emergency visits by a battery of world leaders to Beijing, like what happened in Moscow pre invasion. And the buildup force will be idle for 2 months waiting for the reply to the ultimatum. Surprise is impossible for any Chinese attempt at Taiwan. And the moment missiles are detected to fly towards guam, missiles will also be flying towards chinese ports about 2 seconds later. It can very easily escalate into a nuclear exchange especially if large aircraft carriers are sunk and the leaders become emotional.
Although it was not stated, I think it did. That was why China only had a foothold on the island by the end of day 3, and the President of Taiwan was still ruling the country.
@@wimpymcsteel4458 No mention was made of how many invading Chinese ships would be wiped out by US/Taiwanese/Australian forces during a marine invasion? Who knows, India might even join in on the fun.
@@mikenekosama4426 Do you realize how far Australia is from Taiwan? No way Australia would have the guts to attack Chinese ships they would be at the bottom of the ocean. Not to mention that would give them a reason to invade Australia
@stan down LOL! US nuclear subs are the quietest in the world. That's one reason why Australia dumped the French sub deal and opted for US subs. And Chinese subs are easily detected by Japanese sonar.
@@DSandy111 "every person a rifle" won't work nowadays, it is fatal to the ordinary people. Ukrainian army rejected 90% volunteer foreigners who didn't have battle field experience. Build more bunkers like Switzerland and surveillance camera network for the major cities Acquire or produce more robot soldiers, UAV, remote control machine guns and anti-tank launchers, etc Teach people how to fly drone, with bottles of wine.
taiwan has barely prepared at all actually. their conscripts have poor morale and equipment, and they barely train for a chinese invasion scenario. taiwan alone has no chance at winning. they are quantitatively and qualitatively much weaker than the PLA. that goes for every part of their military, whether you're talking the navy, air force, army, missiles, etc. everything relies on the US to defend taiwan. in 2022 i'd say the US would defend taiwan. in 2032 or 2042, i'm not so sure.
US should worry about, security to protect their own citizens, homelessness, education, infrastructures, healthcare, discrimination, murder by guns violence…… Stop worrying about other countries’s problems. US is not the world police. Spend $750 billions a year into taking care of internal problems would do American citizens a huge favour and as well, world peace. Most countries in the world now have nuclear weapons and this means small countries or large countries are very much the same. If a small country is being hurt too much, someone will hit the button and the world is over just like the dinosaurs did “EXTINCTION”. Use common sense, don’t push it!
US: Having 6000 nukes and dozens of nuclear submarines. China adds a few nukes for self-protection. US: We are very concerned and this is posing a great threat to the free world.
What happened with the use of one or two aircraft carriers to project power? I was surprised no aircraft carrier was even mentioned. Therefore, it would seem this War Game was unrealistic, perhaps even a waste of time, because naval assets were underutilized in crucial moments. The US would never go into a fight as gamed and not utilize at least one aircraft carrier which has the firepower of a standing country in the middle of the ocean. The other thing that jumped out to me, the US response was timid and reactionary. The Chinese side was out aggressive, they went for the jugular. The Under-Secretary was not much help in the matter. If we go into a war with China we need to win! In comparison, the Blue Team was soft compared to the Red Team. I am well aware we are looking at human casualties, I would rather us die winning than die with a tie.
@Cool Sparkz True, even right now its an open question if US carriers can survive 1000km off the chinese coastline, losing a single carrier would be a catastrophic blow to the US military, way more than losing an airbase just because on an airbase things are far more spread out.
Then, as conclussion of first 48 hour campaign analysis. China has learned that for a succesful strategic strike it must hit US air base in Okinawa (heavily striken) and the carrier task force deployed in South China sea (the carrier being disabled or sunk) simultaneously. If China goes to set foot on taiwan, it would need to disable the US response forces nearby. And to keep a close eye on Guam and Clark base in Luzon. China probably already have eyes on the sky on that target linked to their hypersonic middle range BM.
Taiwan would likely have more or less a month if warning before china launch an invasion fleet since it would be very difficult to hidden such a large assembly of ships and logistics behind it all, would likely alert everyone especially after Ukraine
@@hughmungus2760 A yearly assembly of a fleet on the scale of D-Day? No one is going to load a million troops on ships for a yearly assembly. if such a fleet assembles, it is for one purpose, and that is the invasion of Taiwan.
Even if China told Taiwan the time, date, and location of attack they could not stop the outcome. The price of reunification is never too high to the Chinese so there is no way for them to lose. It would be 1 month maybe 6 weeks max.
"Knock out punch on Guam" That strategy didn't work too well for Japan. It unified the west to enter the war. China hasn't been in a war for over 50 years. That kid needs to go back to playing Call of Duty..
@@zoka7108 Japan didn’t have to fight the full force of multiple technologically advanced powers either. What industrial capacity advantage China has will be reduced to shreds by the time the war gets going. Like Japan in World War II it’s going to be China on one side and everybody else on the other
Amphibious actions are complexed and difficult! The multi domain inter operability is crazy!! So,, tactically and operationally, I do not understand how they think that the PLA are even close to pulling this off clean. A build up on the Chinese coast triggers an alert. US PACOM assest are heavily air defended. And coastal sustainment nodes are first targeted. Finally the ferry trip without embark and disembark bottlenecks is 4 hours you are talking about a D Day scale movement. 4 times the distance while heavily defended by Taiwan Japan Australia and the US. ASSUMING THEY DONT COMPLETELY SCREW UP!! Then after that, now a ground fight!! I think this team missed on this scenario.
The thing with these war games they always put the most dangerous scenario possible that could happen. Which is a good thing. Doing war games where the US always wins wouldn’t help recognize our weakness. They do these war games for a reason, to prepare for the worst so in future battles we can win
@@mikenekosama4426 China has over 17,000 fishing boats and would mass them to absorb a lot of missiles. But i keep imagining a whole bunch of sunk ships along taiwans shoreline and wonder if it would block the next wave from coming. its really is beyond the imagination to see how this would play out
What bull analysis. Chiang fled to the Chinese province of Formosa. In 1904, Formosa, named after the historical Formosan peoples, ceded sovereignty to China in perpetuity. That means forever. Taiwan is still China. If the logic of the US is applied even handedly, Alaska still belongs to Russia and Russia has every right to invade it and recover its traditional land. Just like the Crimean peninsula..
I gave u a thumbs up for agreeing that this vid is absolute waste of time. However, those people aren't amateurs though. Instead, I think they are paid behind the door for making propaganda like this along with NBC network. It's shame for the NBC... I once thought that they are better than CNN, FOX news, BBC, and Sky news... guess i was wrong.
It's laughable watching them show China flying bombers over South Korea to hit Japan. So much for taking these analyst seriously, they forget that US has a large military in South Korea. No where did they even try to hit the US bases there but left them alone to hit Japan which is much further.
I think I disagree with this panels outcome. Once the Chinese attacked Hawaii and hit Japan, the "gloves would be off" and the war would move past Tawain. It would become a serious world war and China could not win that war, especially with the multitude of nations against them at that point.
You are clearly not up to date on world military matters. The only way for the US not to lose is a nuclear war. So basically total destruction of the world and for what? What was the prize?
It is 3900 km from Philippines to Japan. It is 2000 km from China to japan. The US thinks it can come to the rescue with an air battle over Formosa? Delusional.
USA broke its promise in Cairo Declaration 1943, handed China to USSR through Yalta treaty, then waited for China to take Taiwan. But Korean war instead happened, then USA regret. Then USA used Taiwan to handle China for decades, now it's time for USA to determine what's the next step.
Would you also say that according to history, Ireland is surely part of the UK? Taiwan and mainland China have effectively been apart for nearly 130 years since Taiwan was ceded to Japan by Qing-dynasty China in 1895, with only four years "together" from 1945 to 1949 while the Nationalists were losing the civil war. Before Japanese rule, the history of large-scale Chinese migration into Taiwan went back only 300 years, and the Qing government never effectively ruled the whole island.
@@roberttaylor5997 Taiwan was part of china and taken way by Japan, and returned to China after WWII. Chinese Nationalists lost mainland china to Chinese communists, but kept Taiwan under its control. Both Chinese Nationalists and Chinese communists recognized TaiWan was part of China, and both wanted to unite whole china. War between Mainland China and Taiwan, if that happens, will be pure civil war.
This is very dumb. They mapped it out as if China would make all the terrible moves right from the start. They aren't stupid either and most likely wouldn't make any of these initial moves.
I get where you're coming from but I think you misunderstand the label. The term "war game" is really just used to distinguish the fact that this is purely a hypothetical scenario being discussed, and no one is actually giving out the orders in the scenario for real.
Why did they fail to mention that the USAF has global stealth reach via B2, along with low level B1. Also, they acted as if an amphibious landing, especially on Taiwan was just a matter of showing up and walking up the beach after firing some missile at Taipei. WTF!! Taiwan's geography would be night mare for even the US Marines to land on (hence why we didn't in WW2) and they have over 80 years of experience and prep. China has never done one amphibious landing ever. In fact, the last war China was way back in 1979 and they were push out of Vietnam. I think it's good to be prepared, but I really believe you're giving China way more credit than they merit. It sounds like you guys have been watching Fox "news" for too long and you are stating to believe that rabble they're insecently spewing. China is good at copying, which more than suggested that they lack true ingenuity and integrity. It is also know that their military is deeply corrupt. Why was none of this taken into consideration? This whole thing makes me think, "Hmmmmm..."
from the mainland, u can board a helicopter and fly straight over the presidential office of taiwan. it is within air assault range. they don't even need to land on the beach to capture the president. this is why the latest ROCA plans has shifted division away from the coast and into the city. because they now realise the PLA doesn't even need to do D-Day to win, they can win by air so they have to defend the city from air assault. and this means the coast is now even more undermen, in fact they only have 1/3 of the men required to effectively defend the beach. my country is the only country to have military unit in taiwan. US may have personal in taiwan but they do not have formations. so as the only country to have train in and seen the operation of both PLA and ROCA in their respectative country, I really don't think Taiwan is ready or even interested to defend themselves. for one, we are not threaten by any country, and yet we have 2 year conscription just like south korea. do you have any idea how long military service is in Taiwan? 4 month. can you even use an ATGM properly in 4 month? i am not even sure u can get past basic training in 4 month! these are not soldier that can fight. the fact that the government doesn't have the poltical will to have their citizen serve for 2 years, is very telling, they care more about making money then fighting. because you are asking the population to give up 20 month of private sector salary by going from 4 month to 2 years. that's what they are really thinking about.
US think they can use Taiwan as a wall against China, but Taiwan is not a wall, it is a door. the geography of Taiwan is actually problematic for the defender. because the island is divide by a mountain range in the center that run north to south. and all the cities of taiwan are on the side facing the mainland in the west of the island. I travel alot in taiwan, and the entire network literally depend on a couple of highway to link the country north to south. which mean it is very easy to cut the city of from each other since there is a mountain in the middle. there is an airbase on the east side, but that is it. and a single airbase cannot turn the tide of war. so if the side facing mainland fall, it is over. they don't need to take the mountain, they don't need to take the east coast. in fact I believe they will just allow those that want to "escape" mainland rule to leave into the eastern part of the country. and that will be when we see the real loyalty of the people appear, how many would abandon their home and job leave to the east just to be "free"... I really don't think Beijing intent to capture Taiwan by force, if they enter Taiwan, it would be under the claim of "defending the people from chaos", all they need is to wait for some kind of protest, and protest happen in democracy all the time, put a few sinper in the protest like what US did in ukraine, chaos will begin and China would come in as a "peacekeeper". since UN recognise Taiwan belong to China, there is nothing anyone can say against that.
US strategic bomber fleets are limited by the kind of weapons they carry, subsonic tomahawks that rely on GPS satellites still functioning arent going to cut it. China will absolutely shoot down US satellites if it feels the war is getting serious. And the US losing the ability to locate and track chinese naval assets at standoff ranges will put the US and china on equal ground.
US strategic bomber fleets are limited by the kind of weapons they carry, subsonic tomahawks that rely on GPS satellites still functioning arent going to cut it. China will absolutely shoot down US satellites if it feels the war is getting serious. And the US losing the ability to locate and track chinese naval assets at standoff ranges will put the US and china on equal ground. Taiwan will basically be the next azovstal. it will be bombed and blockaded until they run out of ammo and fuel.
been war gaming ( board games not computer games ) since the mid-60's, and this "round table" approach is very much like the way it is done at high government levels. IMO, when the Chinese hit Pearl, the US would go nuts and launch the nukes, at the very least on the invasion embarcation ports.
Russia can't ship anything. They're pretty much blocked. And all the oil goes through the streets of Malacca which can be easily cut off by the US, India, Australia and a whole host of other nations.
But blockage of what? Chinese export products? But China selling products all over the world including U.S and western countries. If you just block the crude oil China already have many pipe line that the transport from land. Moreover, US don't have any military edge over in South China Sea. Blockage could more like another way around.
the only imports china really needs for survival is oil. they can stockpile, ration, and increase overland imports to survive for at least several years. then you'd have to ask the question whether taiwan can last as long under a blockade. the answer is no. it's a tiny island with a large population. china can't be blockaded near china because of large missile stockpiles, so it'd have to be done at the 2nd island chain. this means taiwan gets blockaded as well by the PLA.
@@everythingisfine9988 There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark
@@levelazn go dark? The United States has been an energy exporter since 2019. Are you familiar with the technology called "fracking"? And as far as China's blockade. China has no natural oil resources and could only get some. And I mean "some" oil from Russia vast majority comes on boat via the Middle East. Something the Japanese or Indian or Australian and American navies can easily block. China would turn into a bronze age civilization within a year. What else are you going to say? The Russians are a powerful military?? I think these dictators are proving exactly how effective they are at doing anything right.
China has a population of 1.6 billion people the United States has a population of approximately 360 million people. China Has Lifted 800 million people out of poverty in the past decade. When we look at the dissatisfaction of the 29% that supported Trump we are fighting our own War within our own country. This 29% voted for Trump because they are desperately needing change. We are corrupted by our own corporate billionaires. This war is being fought within our own population. Why aren't we talking about the wealth disparity in our own country the Monopoly of the pharmaceutical companies, outrageous cost of healthcare with a broken Healthcare System, The fact that child care is so outrageously expensive many single women are not able to even work outside the home, one out of four families are one paycheck away from homelessness, fact that Republicans are corrupted by wealthy lobbyists. The Monopoly of eight major corporations running all of the media companies. We must solve our problems at home in order to even begin to intervene in this oncoming war with China.
I think the US response was way to muted in this simulation. After having Hawaii bombed and attempted bombings of California and Alaska the USA would almost certainly retaliate against a high profile target such as Beijing.
@@thesswb4463 and then nato will collectively try to invade china which will you know, just donating the lives of young soldiers. And then, desperation comes, how bout exchange of nuclear warheads. That would be wonderful to erase the cities of china beijing shanghai, and cities of usa new york california and all major european cities. That's a fantastic way of ending our lives
Agreed, before it even got to that point, attacking US in Japan was an attack on NATO and would trigger Article 5. The Red Team has no idea what China would do, or how they would do it. A pre-emptive strike against US/NATO would be the dumbest thing they could do.
@@ab9840 Im all for Taiwan. You can see the devistation done to Ukraine with modern conventional weapons. Take the size of every city that Russia has destroyed in Ukraine and compare it to the size of Tiawan. One of these days the military exorcise is going to be an attack. Be ready!
Exactly. I don't understand how all the fools commenting in this thread don't see the real purpose behind this segment. They want to normalize the concept of war in the eye of the American public. This is insane.
Let's face the reality. US military may still be formidable but stands no chances in South China sea. China missiles are unlike before, it can shoots up to 1000km not to say about their hypersonic missiles which the US has no way to stop. Do you think US will wants to risk it's carrier near them?? Do you think US is willing to sacrifice for Taiwan?? I honestly doubts so.
Maybe but we are drastically uping our hypersonic missiles defense. Not to mention in this scenario the second we get attacked NATO is involved. In the South China Sea our Navy is miles ahead, especially in conjunction with our allies. There are some variables in these scenarios that aren’t accounted for
We absolutely will. Most Americans hate the CCP and comunism. Even lefty Biden said we would help them. I think it's for sure a ww3 scenario, with total destruction of China and N Korea being the result. Korea is finally reunited and China becomes a nationalist led government.
Taiwanese are not Chinese. That is like saying "American, mind your own business! Let caucasian people solve their own issue." Taiwan will defend itself if there is an invasion. Taiwan is preparing for an invasion. But a clear stance of support of Taiwan from the free world could prevent the war outright.
Chinese people? There are Austronesian in Taiwan. GTFO Northern Chinese. if we gonna go ethnicities, this is supposed to be just Hokkien, Hakka, Hokchew and Austronesians Issues. GTFO northern Chinese
The only problem with North Korea is their secrecy they may say they have something, but then later is proven false. Most of their claims are bs. They instead end the world than summiting the free world same as Russia. China is less likely because the U.S and China depend on each other
@@daxtynminn3415 Or just the opposite. Use the DPRK as a diversion and when the US is distracted hit Tawain then. Of course there is probably a plan for that too.
0:12 - 0:19 generally a great practice ❤️🙏🏾 Have to run these games again with the four new bases in the Philippines plus etc Thanks for spending the time to create and share content like this
China's already at war in the frontline against COVID. They are facing economy downturn, surging number of dissidents, and housing crisis. Taiwan is the least of their concern right now.
That was actually pretty smart, allowed more time to analyse, including cyber and encryption. It depends on how much information did the US think the chinese could get from that.
Red team's first move is to attack guam much like how Japan's first move in WW2 was to attack pearl harbor in hopes to crush American capabilities in the pacific. However, we all know how that ended.
First of all murica wont fight china they wont even safe ukraine they rather watch and send some weapons second of all china is not japan. China economy and navy amount and population and army amount and tanks amount is just way bigger and china has a bigger navy
@@timber_wulf5775 something china has that US does not have is hypersonic missles. They go at insane speed and go way lower than normal missles wich makes the radars to detect it later. Normal rockets get shot in a bow and land on its target in one straight line. The hypersonic missle can maneuver verry good in mid air making it even harder combined with the low attitude and the speed they go with it will be a sertan hit if fired towards a aircraft carrier
This was a great segment from a military conflict perspective . However, the economic fallout will be much more devastating for the US. We need China more than they need us. Everyday Americans will not want nor care about a conflict between China and Taiwan. If China attacks US soil then we will have a rally around the flag moment. China can move on Taiwan and avoid American interference if it attacks the US economically first. Disrupt life on the home front, Americans will not want to fight in a war abroad defending a country they cannot find on a map.
@@xinli5173 I get the reason. Same reason why Japan hit Pearl Harbor, Wake Island, and the Philippines all on the same day. Deal a death blow to American naval power in the pacific that will push them back. Hitting Guam or Saipan would be a mistake on China’s part. The best time to take Taiwan is when the US is focused on a domestic crisis something on par with Hurricane Katrina or a major winter storm. A time when all focus would be on that. Not in China. Or the inverse, just as a natural disaster is hitting Taiwan, take advantage of instability.
The tension across Taiwan straits is NOT about democrary per se. Taiwan strait gotten into more and more difficult situation is entire the fault of DPP party and some folks in US who just don't want to see Taiwan' reunion with Mainland (because that would create a more powerful "imagery foe") ... Before DPP was in power, two side held talks towards peaceful resolutions. DPP party and its bas against a reunion with Mainland, NOT because they are fanatic on democracy as they pretend to be,, DPP's base are those Japanese decendents who was allowed to convert into ROC citiezen after WWIIm this part of population is only 20% in Taiwan now，yet they now control the politics and policy in Taiwan... .In 2004, DPP party engineered a self inflicted gun shot just in order to get more votes to stay in powe
there was one major error reported in this report. American Naval SAM forces are vastly superior to PAAF. so not likely that USA would not have Air dominance over Taiwan. second the PLA would not strike like this. too complicated a plan and no reward especial with nuclear. they will strike only with massive air and naval and marines forces to Taiwan and not trigger foreign involvement. they will focus on Taiwan like a sledge hammer no surgical strike. Like UK did in Falkland's. get a foot hold then drive it bigger. not by massive LPD like USN but even with small boast like Dunkirk but in reverse. 10000 ships landing 50 men is more effective than 10 drooping over 1000 each.. taiwan will fight and Usa will overcome . but cost will be high. for china just more troop looses which they can replace quickly.
Yes they would not do the preemptive strikes, but limit their strikes on Taiwan. Also US would never bomb ships in Chinese ports either, but would wait for them to sail out near to Taiwan... But why does the US have an interest in Taiwan, I haven't heard that explanation yet.
@@DSandy111 US interests in Taiwan-- Has been a friendly nation since 1949 Finally achieved democracy after a long struggle Produces the world's most sophisticated semiconductors Is a keystone in the chain of US-friendly islands that stretch from Northern Hokkaido, Japan, all the way down to Indonesia
You can just assert that usn anti air capabilities is vastly superior to chinese system. Because non of them were tested in any full blown combat . And I also heard many experts at dc think tanks talking about chinese anti access area denial capabilities. And ageis baseline 16 maybe superior at abm capabilities but they are pretty much helpless against hypersonics. And also in term of best AAW capabilities british 'sea viper' is the best system in the world.
@@vetsurfcampfish1616 Nope. All American simulated wargames against Russia and China ended in failure. So no, the U.S and her allies all lost. This is coming from the PENTAGON WARGAMES.
"Everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
Sums up Russia's invasion perfectly
Dud if can't take a few hits in the face and a bloodied nose don't fight louser. 😤
@alain did you see Russia's failed attempt to take over Keiv, and then to make their loss look better they claimed that it was their plan all along to retreat?
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark
@@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle Russia's first move was no where near aggressive enough. They definitely miscalculated Kiev's control on the military and the civilian population. But make no mistake, despite what the MSM outlets here are telling you, Ukrainians are being grinded down and they're increasingly deploying asymmetrical methods, and Russia hasn't even fully mobilized.
Unless NATO is willing to directly intervene, the writings are on the walls.
How about doing this again but with actual generals
Generals are doing this all the time but we're definitely not allowed to see it.
I somehow feel like that would be cooler…
"and retired us general"
There are general my dude.
The lady who said put some seals on the island by submarine to support the marines has literally no idea about combat and how it works…
Totally unrealistic. They need some people with actual experience.
Actually, she does
Maybe you are not familiar with how SOG works. To be honest, I don't well understand it either, but I have seen them
She learned that from the opening of Modern Warfare 3
"Wars are created by rich and ambitious men but fought by fools" Thomas Sankara
The world will be a better place if we all stop being selfish to assume that we are more powerful than others and should have greater control than others. Someday there is going to be a terrible mistake and the world will never be the same again.
Truth
Utopian my friend. I see you like quotes. Try this one. “Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
The fools are on the top. Soldiers are just brave.
Yeah china need to be stopped
Tell that to the Chinese communist party then
They are the one that sre threatening to invade
I just saw this, and the strategy at 5 mins and some change of attacking US forces in Japan wouldn't bring Japan into war is BEYOND ridiculous. The facilities we use in Japan are shared facilities, meaning that if an attack were to occur there would be a high probability of indirectly attacking Japanese forces, which would bring Japan in this war.
Wouldn’t even take that. If a single bomb hits Japanese soil that would be enough for them to feel threatened and get involved.
@@stevelucky7579 ......japan need to worry about it's existence first and only. Any attack to china from Japan will trigger maybe......10 hydrogen bombs I would say from north to south. Then there would be no Japan. I like Japan. It would be tragic if Japan get involved.
South Korea would join the war too. Pretty soon WW3
The Japanese are blood thirsty for a war with China. They are itching for any reason to join the fight.
Hey! Stop that thinking now! We will tell you what truth is! China slipped a spy into their war strategy room? How do they get access to this classified information? Oh- I know! They turn on NBC news media and watch a nationally televised news broadcast!! Wow!! What a display of military genius!! I feel so safe now! Don’t you?
I find it interesting that the Chinese team went straight to preemptive attacks on the US in not only US territory but also Japanese territory. I personally don’t see China doing either of those things because a preemptive strike on their part would mean even greater conflict. They would draw NATO members into direct conflict. Japan would likely swiftly pass a resolution to convert their capable defense forces into a standard military organization. Korea may even get involved with the prospect of an attack on their soil increasingly likely based on the attacks on Japan. At that point, China and Russias “no-limit” partnership would be tested and if Russia assists them, it would be global conflict and the likely destruction of everything. Given that being the likely outcome of that decision, I think China would simply invade Taiwan with the expectation that the US response will be no different from what’s happening in Ukraine.
Yeah i didnt understand the whole idea of attacking US bases in Japan.
@@vice2versa A preemptive attack that doesn't take out America's ability to attack doesn't make sense. You would have to take out the air bases in Japan, Guam, South Korea, the Philippines, and the carrier strike groups out at the same time.
However, this could happen due to a miscalculation on China's part due them believing Americans are cowardly to the China threat.
WHAT SO LAUGHABLE IS THAT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE THINKS THEY HAVE THIS ALL FIGURED OUT. BUT WHITE WESTERN PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE OF WHATS COMING AND WHEN ITS COMING.
Exactly. I stopped watching this nonsense after this idiotic first move from the red team.
I am from country in Europe which is member of NATO and I don't see why should my country will be part of this conflict? I don't think that single person in my country is ready to die for Taiwan.
You didn't take into consideration south Korea and Europe being pulled into war especially UK
That’s because they might strategically sit this out and play a limited logistics role. China has plenty of manpower and influence to consume these fronts if they wish to join into “hot” war. North Korea, at the direction of China, will keep South Korea busy backed by Chinese, and what is left of Russia, in the North. Europe, being so dependent on China for everything other than energy (Russia for that) will backfill American troops but primarily serve as logistics. Keep in mind, they will still be ramping up for Russian conflicts and Russia could have capacity by then to keep EU nations consumed.
India would play a part too. To what avail is yet open...
They also didn't take into consideration of Russia and North Korea being pulled into the war
@@thilomanten8701 India is not stupid they know if China falls they are next to be stepped on. They would love to see the West fight China but to get involved in any meaningful way is wishful thinking
@@davidmoss2576 China has been nothing but hostile to India lol
No offense but really need to check your "experts" again. There were so many stupid ideas done in this it makes no sense whatsoever. The only one who made real sense was that general.
"Stupid ideas" Like what?
@@wendigotea6020 Attacking Japan, attack the US, nuclear strikes etc, all for no reason. A channel called History Legends went over this some time ago so I suggest checking it out. But the basic thing is that these "experts" aren't actually experts and lack the most basic ideas for a war game based on reality.
Hi, a Japanese here. Mr. Wuthnow said limiting the target to US would delay the involvement of Japan, if I heard him right. I think targeting the US bases in Japan would definitely cause Japan to see the attack as the attack on its soil because,
1. Many of US bases are adjacent to densely developed civilian areas (Naval base in Yokosuka or Sasebo, MCAS iwakuni, Futenma Air station etc etc). Attack on those would certainly inflict damage on civilian areas, and
2. Some bases are shared between US and Japan (e.g. Misawa AFB, oh, and it’s also adjacent to civilian airport too). So again, attack on those would be seen as attack on JSDF as well.
I was listening to this whilst cooking my dinner, so sorry if I misheard something. Just wanted to point this out.
Either way, it was great discussion.
Chinese here. Exactly what I thought too. It's in China's interests to confine the war in certain area, meaning area over Taiwan, and also with certain countries, meaning the US only, if possible. So, seems to me, the RED side goes full out for the US bases in the Pacific is not at all wise. Attacking those bases would surely invite retaliations to the targets along China's east coast, where all the best part of our econemy is. Of course we can hit back and make more demage, but the problem is we have much fewer measure to make it happen than the US can do to us. After all, we can not start firing nuclear missles just to revenge a conventional bombing over Shanghai.
As Chinese, we will help the Japanese drive away the Americans and free you from the American colonies, so it is best to remain neutral in the event of war. Let the self defense forces protect the people, not be the cannon fodder of the US Army
@@eastqb you poor fool, just keep believing what your government tells you, but winning a war against the u.s. wont ever happen.....
@@eastqb as an American I assure you that the US is more advanced and ruthless than you might ever expect so don’t hope that an worn out regime will protect you guys if you decide to invade other countries.
@@akro9358 Thank you for your reminder, but obviously there are some things you don't know. Taiwan is not a country, and it is not recognized by the United Nations, so the moment the United States sent troops, the United Nations also became a decoration, personally destroying the order created after World War II
As Helmuth von Moltke said...... "no military plan of operation extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength."
It's a well known saying amongst commanders and has been proven time and time and time again..
The modern short version is "no plan survives the first contact with the enemy" and has been proven time and time again and time again.
Like Mike Tyson said, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face".
"Plans are worthless, but planning is everything." - Dwight D. Eisenhower
Another EVIL plan of the Satanic government of the US. 😤
@@JamesxKo Perfect!
These are the groups that want war with China and other perceived enemy countries. For them, China has become "intolerable" and hence would like to destroy or humiliate China. Basically, they want a rising China and other countries to be subservient and to "know their place" These are the groups
1) Neocons
2) Zionists
3) Evangelical Protestants
4) US/British military suppliers
5) Media Groups
6) "America First" Think Tanks
7) Businesses in direct competition with China
Back in the late 70s, it was hypothesised that in a European war, Russia would use nuclear weapons, if there was the possibility that they could be completely destroyed on the ground. It was put forward that if this was going to happen, and to stop a complete collapse of the USSR, they would demonstrate their resolve to go full nuclear. The scenario put forward, was that they would obliterate Perth, on the west coast of Australia, thus indicating that there is always the possibility of total destruction of the west, if the USSR is to fall. The thinking behind this was the USSR could show to the western powers, that they were very serious about their future, by the total destruction of a populated, industrial western city. And the demonstration, though completely horrific, the damage was isolated by distance from the rest of the world. Thankfully the clock never got too midnight....
As far as I know the battle plans for the sowjet invasion of western Europe became public after the collapse of the Sowjet Union. These plans included prolific use of tactic nuclear weapons on the battlefield. Among other things the sowjet planners wanted to nuke Rhine bridges to hamper support from France and passes in the Alps to counter support from Italy. In one such plan they were using something like 50 tactical nukes just in and around Germany. So this WW3 scenario would have gone nuclear from the start.
@@counter-intelligence7902 Yes, i saw an interview with a Russian general who was in charge of what would have been an amphibious and airborne attack on Denmark in the event of WW3. I forget precisely how many but it was over 30 tactical nukes he was to drop, prior to landing, on Denmark alone.
Only one nation has people so savage to actually use nuclear weapons. Twice. On civilians. Never forget that. The rest of the world doesn't.
@@gavinhillick You talking about the war where over 60 million people died by conventional weapons and disease.
@@TMarkLenthall What a pathetic attempt at excusing evil. War isn't licence to massacre civilians just so you can demonstrate a weapon. If you think it is then you're really no better than the losers.
This was awful, the "red team" was doing nothing that China would do in a war
any discussion over Taiwan that reduces the situation to a contest between US and China is problematic and especially so when it comes to war gaming like this that excludes the involvement of Americas partners and allies in the Asia Pacific. If they want a war game that is truly representative they need to at a bare minimum include officials from Taiwan and Japan or else the exercise is just going to remain theoretical
There are more neighbouring countries which might not like China taking control of the whole area.
This is like kindergarten kits playing war games, not military strategist.
china would love for japan to get involved, revenge for ww2
It is meant to be theoretical??
Pretty sure PLA is not that stupid not considering all your allies. If you want to try, do it.
I used to play board games mainly due to my interest in historical battles, this is a strategic war game.
I always liked pushing tin. Whether it was tanks, Wooden Ships*, napoleonics, or Civil War.
* and iron men.
Hoooray!!! Wooden ships and Iron Men!!!!
I too, like war, and games.
It always was mate
Where can I buy these?
This war game was a waste of time. The moment Chinese forces hit targets on American soil--especially Hawaii--it goes from being a Chinese-Taiwan conflict to becoming a full blown (and probably declared) U.S.-Chinese war. At that point the Chinese will need to be worried about defending its mainland and less about whether it can take Taiwan, which at that point becomes more of an sideshow. The other point that wasn't sufficiently addressed was the role of America's vast nuclear submarine fleet; a handful of these attack boats would quickly annihilate China's surface and submarine fleet, leaving any forces that might have gotten ashore on Taiwan without logistical support. The scenario as laid out in this exercise would be catastrophic for China (though not without significant cost to America and her allies) and likely end in a regime change in Beijing.
The only thing that can be done is to convince China that regardless of how much they would like to regain Taiwan, it simply isn't a military reality and they would be better served to join the nations of the world rather than oppose them. If they are truly serious about reunification with Taiwan, they should pursue increasingly closer political and economic ties with the island in the hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus. In other words, Taiwan could vote to become an autonomous province of China while retaining its democratic infrastructure. Any effort to reunify the two China's by force, however, will forever end any chance of China ever regaining it's "lost" territory.
Everyone assumes China needs to take taiwan. The realistic scenerio is that China just needs to wipe taiwan off the maps. China has no need for Taiwan. This isn't the donbass where there are ethnic russians who still loves russia. Taiwanese has been indoctrinated in the last 20 years to believe they are no longer chinese thus china has nothing to gain by taking and holding land. It just need to turn everything into waste so that Taiwan cannot be used by the US as a deterance.
I totally agree. This was a waste of time. Surely INTEL would know a conflict was imminent. The US would have 3 Carrier groups in the Pacific east of Taiwan. The Chinese would have all naval assets to interdict any supply to Taiwan as well as submarines to address those US carrier groups. China attacking Alaska??? Really?? Alaska is fuel and radar.
Hitting Hawaii or San Diego would instantly make it a China-USA war.
China's stratified supply system, and the US' SLBM's weren't even thought of.....
@@hallo84 It was never about taking land. It was never about the US using Taiwan as a deterant. Taiwan is a symbol of resistance to the irresistible forces of Communism. The fact that Taiwan is doing much better under capitalism and democracy than China is under Communism only points out the failures of Mao's China. As long as Taiwan exists, China can never "feel" like a great nation. Besides, how does one "wipe" an island of over 12,000 square miles off the map?
Wonder why didn't Abraham Lincoln thought of that "hopes of one day peacefully reunifying through mutual consensus"?
the capabilities of US submarines is overrated, when use in litoral waters off the chinese coast they would get spotted very easily by the chinese version of SOSUS and dispatched by ASW aircraft launched from the mainland. They also run a huge risk of just blundering into chinese diesel subs that are lying in ambush.
They would never get within torpedo range of ships in the taiwan strait and would be spotted the moment they fired off cruise missiles near it.
The only use for US subs would be fighting in the open seas and as nuclear deterance.
Listening to these experts analysis on how a war game plays out will certainly rot your brain.
These types of war games scenarios need to be played out every day with actual military and espionage leadership at the table, to have a proper picture of all possible scenarios played out. Which I’m sure goes on.
In my opinion there is a high probability of WW3 from a China/ Taiwan war
That IS actual military and espionage leadership
This game- invasion proves one thing? Alliance's are needed like in world war 1,2. No one could win a long-term war. I believe everyone should awake up modern warfare is mean strong alliance's 💪.
Think tanks like these don’t really show a good sense of actual scenarios and outcomes of a true invasion this same one did one on Ukraine and was so off from what they said to what actually happened. It was very disappointing but predictable. We need real military officials to do these scenarios to get an actual outcome. Like you said this should be done quite often.
These games are played more often than most would realize. Fortunately and unfortunately the takeaways can only be presented to civilian leadership. The final decision come from them. They can listen or "take it under advisement". It's a check/balance benefit to ensure the military is beholden to civilian leadership but it comes at a cost as well.
i wouldn't put my military/espionage people at that table. they've got better/more important things to do than go on nbc and reveal strategy.
I hope Maverick, Goose and Iceman will help protect Taiwan's skies when war with China happens
Maverick is old and a cult, goose is dead and Iceman has cancer. So when the war breaks out, it's more likely you will be send there.
when the days come , all of them need the aid of a walking stick to walk. can they stand all the G forces. 🤣
The USA doesn't protect anybody. The USA ruins lives.
Just watched this, and it's preposterous. In their scenario, the Chinese strike THREE states and the US does not retaliate by hitting the Chinese mainland? Bad enough if they hit our bases in Guam and Japan, etc., but San Diego? Hawaii? If they did that we'd take out one or more of their major ports--probably Shanghai--which would immediately choke off their export-driven economy. And we wouldn't need to nuke it--cruise missiles launched from submarines would do the job nicely. Xi may be ruthless, but he's not crazy.
Hey the goal is to create fear and create a boogeyman. Don't look at the actual problems we have, lets make some up to distract its from reality.
That was at the end of turn 3. Turn 4 would have seen the Blue team retaliate and escalate.
It's as if these participants have never heard of a Tomahawk cruise missile launched from an attack submarine, let alone the US Navy's four Ohio-class SSGNs.
@@formernavyspook exactly. As soon as the Homeland was hit I'd personally be expecting Radio to be giving the CO an EAM to launch.
it will be a nuclear war, can we survive a nuclear war here in the US?
I can honestly honestly say I had the honor to have lived next to the generation that fought and died for what was right. They're all gone now. But I won't let them be forgotten. They were kind very brave people and Humanity must never forget what they fought and died for
How old are you
They died for nothing as humans are constantly shifting but conflict never changes.
It can be your turn to do your country proud to fight and die for the defense of taiwan, if it really comes to war that so many of you are clamoring for
For the one who from taiwan, a reality show if US attack china military first, otherwise china without any possible to attack US, but that TV show with not catch one's eye , in fact taiwan is part of china , mostly taiwanese will stand with china not US , US will not got any benefit. in fact china govement absolutely not topple down at future , that war will cause the world will not go on the good way , that's why US will not interfere that and also no reason interfere,most of taiwansese belive they are part of china. in fact taiwan is part of china on constitution of taiwan govement. Taiwan's economic was closeness with China ,and 2.7million taiwanese was living china, foreign trade was more then 50% to china, that's why taiwanese will help china and we still do that at moment.
@@arumba7345 nah. If I had to die In any war, it would be in the European theatre of ww2. Germany was trying for literal world occupation and racist supremacy. Most wars are kind of BS.
Taiwan and Ukraine are grey areas imo, likewise, many other wars are grey areas.
If you like The View and you wonder what it would be like for the talk show hosts to play war games, this video is for you.
Seriously, they left out cyber, electronic, economic and so many other aspects of any potential war.
This is just to get people talking.
Meaning???
@@MH-be6hr free weapons
Couldn't have said it better myself, this was absolutely ridiculous.
Would actually like to see the entire segment of the war game played out. Would make for some great content.
CNAS actually did this one time and took input from people online. You can see it on their channel.
What a waste of time. Felt like watching a kid show. 😂
Lol! But you not only watched, but commented, which increased MSNBC's revenue!!!!
But u still watched the whole thing didn't you
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 I agree but didn’t watch whole,
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 Do you think your comment is constructive and intelligent?
Do you enjoy real life, face to face conversation? Should any of us consider revenue?
This is a place where different people from around the world can meet. Helifano-go to the library.
Stay there.
@@aburden8580 The point is, when you comment on a TH-cam video, positive or negative, you boost its visibility. So rather than complaining, the best course of action is NOT to post. (Even a "thumbs down" helps the poster. If you are disappointed, then don't feed the algorithm! Otherwise you are putting it in front of more people.
And yes to all of your questions. You should be very concerned with anyone you financially empower! This (TH-cam) is actually a commercial enterprise, not a public discussion hall. LOL!!!
I was most struck by the fact that China automatically gets the initiative-the US and Taiwan can never be 100% sure if this time its just Saber rattling that can be shrugged off or an actual invasion. China essentially gets a guaranteed advantage from that, whatever posture is taken by Taiwan and the USA.
That's why they keep doing it .
I’ve seen no evidence that anyone has “shrugged off” the possibility of a Chinese attack. Everyone from Australia to the Philippine military to Japan and South Korea has been building new ships and next gen fighters and subs and drones to take out the Covid-19 loving CCP government forces. The USA tried to get along and endorsed allowing the CCP to join the WTO, which, did no good 😡‼️After Covid-19, everyone wants to get a BIG PIECE of the despicable, misanthropic, corrupt CCP and you better believe that🤨🤨‼️
I spent my childhood growing up with all these threats in Taiwan and so is every Taiwanese people, even till today.
Simply recognizing this issue is making me thankful.
I agree, it would be easy for China to just sail up to Taiwan without firing a shot and regurgitate its first wave of troops onto Taiwanese beaches to “restore order”. Civil unrest can be staged, plenty of Chinese sleepers in Taiwan and would Taiwan fire first on unarmed troopships?
The least amount of collateral means less allies, going hot from day one just draws more and more countries in against China.
From Chinas perspective, Taiwan is just another state that’s gone rogue in a civil war decades ago.
Few countries actually recognise Taiwan as a country in its own right, so would the world react and on what legal, moral basis would it do so?
Yes exactly, just like what happened to Russia from the first few days of the invasion. They achieved surprise. The Ukrainians were surprised. Surprised that the Russian military is incompetent, LOL!!
Grooming the public for WWIII? Awesome....
war mongers war mongering
Predictive Programming. These people are evil evil
@@Estebanlc25 extremely
@@Estebanlc25 Is just calling preparing for the worst
Ukraine mistake is to believe Russia will not attack and Ukraine should alert and get military ready for a invasion in first place
Nah, Ukraine’s mistake was to trust the US ! The US uses other countries to fight proxy wars to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex .
This is quite sick. What is the matter with Americans?
mainstream media is under the control of NEO-CONs and NEO-Liberals
I agree with you 💯 % ! They are trying to manufacture consent for war with the American public this is their ploy ! We all need to stand up and say no war ! No sending US troops to die to fill the pockets of the military industrial complex ! No to using our tax payer money for war ! We need to take care of the American ppl and fix our infrastructure!
US has and will be the main cause of war in the world. These white supremacists think that they of own the right to meddle in every country's internal affairs and politics. They behave as the self appointed savior which in fact is the demon that will bring WW3.
America must has its way.
China is the one who wants to start all this.. but blame the us instead..
As a Chinese living in the US, I, honestly, am fascinated to see this idea, to have a war on the paper board instead of putting it into real action. There will be no winners in war. Peace and love!
Peace and love is for the little people. Profit is for the ???
"They get tired..but they don't get scared" 🇺🇲
Leave that to the Europeans.
That's what Americans think about themselves. That's not how the Chinese see you. They see a US army that has never seen a fair fight in almost 80 years. And the Russian experience in Ukraine should really tell us that armies that look good against helpless enemies in the Middle East are no good against enemies who fight back
@@HellishPestilence and what do you think the Chinese think of themselves? Who never had a major war at all?
USA only won 2 times against Major power
First was Germany in WW2 when USSR destroyed over 85% of german forces by then
Second was against Japan when USA asked for USSR to clear Japanese forces in Asia
@@aaronjefferson279did America ever lose 20 million people in a war?
It's interesting they fail to mentiion India. The Quad has been meeting in force lately and I have huge doubts India would not want to square away their border with China if not exploit Beijing's turned backs to them and go straight for Tibet.
India would act. Japan would act. But so would Russia , North Korea and China. And thus South Korea would be pulled in right away too.
@@brightlight3520 Exactly, I can understand why they would want to roleplay a game of the key actors but I find any real scenario would be a lot more complex and involve many more countries making moves.
@@brightlight3520 I doubt that NK and Russia will act. The former doesn't have money and will to help China. The latter will hold grudges over China's inaction during Ukraine invasion. IF China were losing, Russia might even invade China from the north to 'help' US, just like USSR took 4 islands from Japan at the end of WWII.
@@brightlight3520 EZ WW3
Lol if india enter into war with china Pakistan also will enter into the war boom ww3 😂
There are some comments questioning whether PLA can be as effective as in the simulation, but this looks more like a stress test scenario: the US forces are initially dispersed, US can only call for limited allies, and perfect coordination of air and amphibious operation of PLA.
但是这场压力测试是没有意义的 台湾不是一个国家 是中国的省份 这是国际公认
美国总喜欢把精力 金钱 花在这些没有意义的事情上
而愚蠢的美国人民 还觉得他们的政府的举动 多正义
不过我能理解
毕竟美国只有200年的历史
还很幼稚
西方总觉得自己是世界
其实只是科技水平
但在文化上 真的弱爆了
中国第一看向西方 看到了马其顿和波斯 那时候我们在春秋战国时期
中国第二次看向西方 看到了罗马帝国 那时候我们叫汉
中国 第三次看向西方时 看到了裂开的罗马帝国 正好我们也裂开了
中国第四次看向西方 看到了萨珊和拜占庭 和更加裂开的欧洲 而我们 统一了 叫唐
中国第五次看向西方 拜占庭还在 英国和法国这两小子也出生了 哦还有个一点也不神圣的罗马 而我们叫宋
中国第六次看向西方 没啥变化 不过欧洲人被蒙古欺负的挺惨 我们也挺惨 不过最后是一家人了 那时候我们叫元
中国第七次看向西方 看到一个叫奥斯曼的帝国 听说欧洲人被打的挺惨 哦对了 传言他们是从中国北方被打跑的突厥人 那时候我们叫明
中国第八次看向西方 发现你们欧洲人 玩起了黑科技 搞工业了 德国这小子也出来了
那时候我们叫清 这次让你们西方人教育了
中国第九次看向西方 就是现在 没黑科技了吧? 该回归正常了 小屁孩们
希望中国第十次 看向西方时 你们还在!
US fast attack subs are going to town if they attack. They will take out any ship that go into Taiwan straights.
@@zhangsen China looks west for the 10th time and US and Taiwan take away all their chips like with Huawei. China goes back to the Stone Age since they can only copy others. Last Chinese invention was gunpowder.
@@zhangsen Better hope China is still a country then, so they can look a tenth time🤣
since china hit the us first i think nato would be involved after that
When can I buy the board game?
Ignoring war doesn't prevent war.Being prepared to protect.
I agree, which is why I get annoyed when people complain about the US military budget despite the protection that budget buys.
It absolutely does
This is the dumbest war game I had seen.
Fully agreed. China will do everything not to pull USA or Japan into the war. Also China will have similar or better air supremacy as Russia has in Ukraine. And unlike Ukraine Taiwan cannot be resupplied by allied nations after the war has started without supporting nations participating in that war.
I am truly worried, if these guys are considered our think tanks on this matter. These are not experts, they have no idea what a real strategy looks like.
No way China attacks Japan or Guam. After seeing what happened in Ukraine don’t think China wants an invasion of Taiwan either. An blockade and a bombing of Taiwan would get Taiwan leaders back to the bargaining table.
how many have you seen?
@@oberleutnant4013 correct! They have no clue what they were talking about…these guys are really funny 😆
I found this interesting. I've never listened-in on how people think and reason things out in such a way. Of course it could be miles away from reality. None the less I found how people thought things through, most revealing.
This ppl are psychopaths in this channel
@一波未平 I think the Chinese people have left their culture behind and become brainwashed by the CCP.
@一波未平 yes we Will and we will defend them . We won’t make same mistake in Ukraine. We will send a fleet to defeat and humiliate communist Chinese goverment
@一波未平 no it has not. China had many famines in the last 100 years just like last 20 years there was any growth . The zero Covid policy is failing and back firing . Making china look like a nightmare to live in with no democracy or freedom of speech . I think democracies have better advantage over communist china
@一波未平 The west is doing more officially business with Taiwan now and dont care what China says.
This is possibly the worst joke I've seen. No clue about actual capabilities or tacfics.
a few key factors that are not considered in their scenario.
1. their scenario is a bit aggressive even for china most likely china will not invade guam or japan US bases. but very likely use a blockade of small ships - even including china's militia of FISHING BOATS as blockade. knowing that US forces might not directly fire a percieved civilian ships.
2. as of current. there are no present US FORCES in the philippines. Unless a aircraft carrier was deployed beforehand to preposition ships and planes.
3. any movement that china that is outside of its territory will be automatically be noticed and cause of alarm for US forces. If China moves a single ship close to japan or guam it will surely be noticed ahead of time.
I noticed you missed the best scenario that needs to be mentioned here, where are your evacuation plans for United State citizen?
Seeing bong bong in power its more likely the philippines stay out or even help china lowkey
Any hostile move by China - even blockading naval ports - would be seen by the US as an act of war and would mean that the US would immediately bring its full military strength to the defense of Taiwan.
China does not want this to happen, so it will not undertake any such foolishness.
No u.s. forces here in the Philippines 😤
China's fishing fleet is a part of China's military, which is the only reason they've not ever been fired upon or seized by any of the nations whose waters they routinely plunder. You can't use civilians as a defensive shield in conflict. Some of their Maritime Militia, which blend into the fishing fleet and act as though they are regular fishing ships until activated, actually carry mines and anti-aircraft weapons among other things, plus they can be used to support amphibious landings. By forming a blockade at the command of the PLN with active military hidden amongst them, they would be demonstrating that they are a willing military target. They'll be given a chance to surrender if they don't strike first, but America will absolutely fire upon them.
This made me laugh
Yes. I don't know how this is even slightly realistic.
why? are you too simple minded to understand?
If you have an island and want to defend it. What you need: 1. A sea mine belt of thousands of sea mines around your island. No one will reach your island by ship. 2. Air defense with intelligent defense systems and drones and the reduction of landing opportunities for helicopters and aircraft. 3. Tunnel systems and underground structures for the protection of important resources. That is the basis of the defense.
Nice ideas. They should also have long range cruise missiles. So the enemy will know there will be a painful retaliation. Additionally use ballistic missiles to target tunnels, train tracks bridges and other military infrastructure.
Yes then in tree months the island would starve to death.
@@donsullivan6199 Embargo and sabotage Taiwan for period .No ship enter the harbor and oil and gas. No water coming from Fukien Province.
then how would it import and export in peace time?
The general is the only one with a sane and logical mind in this session. These are your so called "experts"?
Very interesting, but I found it unrealistic that China would preemptively attack the United States in its own territory and also Japan. That would be reckless and the surest way to pull in the United States and its allies into the conflict. It would also give political cover to whomever is the President at that time to act. Without an attack on American soil, the public will be very skeptical of involving the Country in a far away war with China, a major power, to defend Taiwan. Recklessness is not the Chinese way, they are anything but reckless.
The best way for China would be to defeat Taiwan in a week or two without attacking anyone else but giving a stern warning that intromission would mean war. Then present the World with a fait accompli.
If Russians hadn't been so incompetent, they would have gotten away with the invasion of Ukraine before the rest of the World would have had the chance to intervene. The Chinese are aware of that.
You can see the Chinese being hostile like that that's really not how they do business but for most of history China is always a superpower so we're going to have to figure out how to deal with that
Strategies & Tactics!
Anyone remember that magazine from the 1970's that came with a free board game with every issue?
I just lost all my brain cells
If there is even one lesson from the Ukraine war, it is that the US will know 3 months ahead if an invasion will happen. And it will shout loudly to the world telling everybody the exact date of the invasion.
There will be multiple emergency visits by a battery of world leaders to Beijing, like what happened in Moscow pre invasion. And the buildup force will be idle for 2 months waiting for the reply to the ultimatum.
Surprise is impossible for any Chinese attempt at Taiwan. And the moment missiles are detected to fly towards guam, missiles will also be flying towards chinese ports about 2 seconds later. It can very easily escalate into a nuclear exchange especially if large aircraft carriers are sunk and the leaders become emotional.
These moves doesn't take in consideration that Taiwan will also defend itself.
Although it was not stated, I think it did. That was why China only had a foothold on the island by the end of day 3, and the President of Taiwan was still ruling the country.
@@wimpymcsteel4458 No mention was made of how many invading Chinese ships would be wiped out by US/Taiwanese/Australian forces during a marine invasion? Who knows, India might even join in on the fun.
@@mikenekosama4426 and also there is no mention how many us and Allied forces casualties.
@@mikenekosama4426 Do you realize how far Australia is from Taiwan? No way Australia would have the guts to attack Chinese ships they would be at the bottom of the ocean. Not to mention that would give them a reason to invade Australia
@stan down LOL! US nuclear subs are the quietest in the world. That's one reason why Australia dumped the French sub deal and opted for US subs. And Chinese subs are easily detected by Japanese sonar.
Taiwan has been preparing for this last 75 years. Let that sink in.
But so has China…
@@bigheadrhino Sounds like when you see the turtles fight in the nature documentaries.
Taiwan should give every person a rifle.
@@DSandy111 "every person a rifle" won't work nowadays, it is fatal to the ordinary people. Ukrainian army rejected 90% volunteer foreigners who didn't have battle field experience.
Build more bunkers like Switzerland and surveillance camera network for the major cities
Acquire or produce more robot soldiers, UAV, remote control machine guns and anti-tank launchers, etc
Teach people how to fly drone, with bottles of wine.
taiwan has barely prepared at all actually. their conscripts have poor morale and equipment, and they barely train for a chinese invasion scenario. taiwan alone has no chance at winning. they are quantitatively and qualitatively much weaker than the PLA. that goes for every part of their military, whether you're talking the navy, air force, army, missiles, etc. everything relies on the US to defend taiwan.
in 2022 i'd say the US would defend taiwan. in 2032 or 2042, i'm not so sure.
US should worry about, security to protect their own citizens, homelessness, education, infrastructures, healthcare, discrimination, murder by guns violence……
Stop worrying about other countries’s problems. US is not the world police.
Spend $750 billions a year into taking care of internal problems would do American citizens a huge favour and as well, world peace.
Most countries in the world now have nuclear weapons and this means small countries or large countries are very much the same. If a small country is being hurt too much, someone will hit the button and the world is over just like the dinosaurs did “EXTINCTION”.
Use common sense, don’t push it!
You don't understand what's happening
I honestly wanna play this game we're can I get it?
US: Having 6000 nukes and dozens of nuclear submarines.
China adds a few nukes for self-protection.
US: We are very concerned and this is posing a great threat to the free world.
What happened with the use of one or two aircraft carriers to project power? I was surprised no aircraft carrier was even mentioned. Therefore, it would seem this War Game was unrealistic, perhaps even a waste of time, because naval assets were underutilized in crucial moments. The US would never go into a fight as gamed and not utilize at least one aircraft carrier which has the firepower of a standing country in the middle of the ocean.
The other thing that jumped out to me, the US response was timid and reactionary. The Chinese side was out aggressive, they went for the jugular. The Under-Secretary was not much help in the matter. If we go into a war with China we need to win! In comparison, the Blue Team was soft compared to the Red Team. I am well aware we are looking at human casualties, I would rather us die winning than die with a tie.
@Cool Sparkz True, even right now its an open question if US carriers can survive 1000km off the chinese coastline, losing a single carrier would be a catastrophic blow to the US military, way more than losing an airbase just because on an airbase things are far more spread out.
@Cool Sparkz same thing with all the Taiwanese missiles aimed at China’s ships so what’s your point
@@hughmungus2760 same thing with all the Taiwanese missiles aimed at China’s ships so what’s your point
@@catherina7792 same thing with all the Taiwanese missiles aimed at China’s ships so what’s your point
@@keyboardmanyoutube9700 Taiwan's missiles are slow, short range and few in number.
Then, as conclussion of first 48 hour campaign analysis. China has learned that for a succesful strategic strike it must hit US air base in Okinawa (heavily striken) and the carrier task force deployed in South China sea (the carrier being disabled or sunk) simultaneously. If China goes to set foot on taiwan, it would need to disable the US response forces nearby. And to keep a close eye on Guam and Clark base in Luzon. China probably already have eyes on the sky on that target linked to their hypersonic middle range BM.
Leave Free or Die Taiwan. I have lived with Communism and suffered. Fight for your Freedom and your children.
Taiwan would likely have more or less a month if warning before china launch an invasion fleet since it would be very difficult to hidden such a large assembly of ships and logistics behind it all, would likely alert everyone especially after Ukraine
What if china makes an assembly of that many ships a yearly thing?
@@hughmungus2760 That would be likely. Just like it's an everyday thing now that Chinese fighter jets go to Taiwanese airspace
@@hughmungus2760 A yearly assembly of a fleet on the scale of D-Day? No one is going to load a million troops on ships for a yearly assembly. if such a fleet assembles, it is for one purpose, and that is the invasion of Taiwan.
@@hughmungus2760 that would be too much giving the fact that all PLA soldiers are single-son
Even if China told Taiwan the time, date, and location of attack they could not stop the outcome. The price of reunification is never too high to the Chinese so there is no way for them to lose. It would be 1 month maybe 6 weeks max.
"Knock out punch on Guam" That strategy didn't work too well for Japan. It unified the west to enter the war. China hasn't been in a war for over 50 years. That kid needs to go back to playing Call of Duty..
Nobody in China will think attacking any US base including Guam is an option. Don't be fooled by all these "games".
Japan didn't have double the industrial capacity of the USA
China isn't too smart but sometimes they think they are too smart.
Yeah no experience, even russia againt ukraine are failing
@@zoka7108 Japan didn’t have to fight the full force of multiple technologically advanced powers either. What industrial capacity advantage China has will be reduced to shreds by the time the war gets going. Like Japan in World War II it’s going to be China on one side and everybody else on the other
Amphibious actions are complexed and difficult! The multi domain inter operability is crazy!! So,, tactically and operationally, I do not understand how they think that the PLA are even close to pulling this off clean. A build up on the Chinese coast triggers an alert. US PACOM assest are heavily air defended. And coastal sustainment nodes are first targeted. Finally the ferry trip without embark and disembark bottlenecks is 4 hours you are talking about a D Day scale movement. 4 times the distance while heavily defended by Taiwan Japan Australia and the US. ASSUMING THEY DONT COMPLETELY SCREW UP!! Then after that, now a ground fight!!
I think this team missed on this scenario.
The thing with these war games they always put the most dangerous scenario possible that could happen. Which is a good thing. Doing war games where the US always wins wouldn’t help recognize our weakness. They do these war games for a reason, to prepare for the worst so in future battles we can win
@@georgewashington7982 Did they even consider Taiwanese defenses against invading Chinese ships? Or Taiwanese booby-traps on its western coast?
@@mikenekosama4426 why tf are you asking me as if I played the game? 🤣
@@mikenekosama4426 China has over 17,000 fishing boats and would mass them to absorb a lot of missiles. But i keep imagining a whole bunch of sunk ships along taiwans shoreline and wonder if it would block the next wave from coming. its really is beyond the imagination to see how this would play out
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What bull analysis. Chiang fled to the Chinese province of Formosa. In 1904, Formosa, named after the historical Formosan peoples, ceded sovereignty to China in perpetuity. That means forever. Taiwan is still China. If the logic of the US is applied even handedly, Alaska still belongs to Russia and Russia has every right to invade it and recover its traditional land. Just like the Crimean peninsula..
This was so fuckn fascinating to watch, I would pay just to watch retired Generals and experts play war games in different scenarios
Same.
can one do this for a living in the private sector and does it pay well?
😅 hahaha 😄awesome that would be...
you can work for inifinti ward and come up with creative story lines
amateurs.. no idea at all about strategy. this is like watching kids play war. absolute waste of time.
I gave u a thumbs up for agreeing that this vid is absolute waste of time. However, those people aren't amateurs though. Instead, I think they are paid behind the door for making propaganda like this along with NBC network. It's shame for the NBC... I once thought that they are better than CNN, FOX news, BBC, and Sky news... guess i was wrong.
PLAYING CALL OF DUTY IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT DOES NOT MAKE YOU A MILITARY STRATEGISTS !!!
It's laughable watching them show China flying bombers over South Korea to hit Japan. So much for taking these analyst seriously, they forget that US has a large military in South Korea. No where did they even try to hit the US bases there but left them alone to hit Japan which is much further.
Insane
I think I disagree with this panels outcome. Once the Chinese attacked Hawaii and hit Japan, the "gloves would be off" and the war would move past Tawain. It would become a serious world war and China could not win that war, especially with the multitude of nations against them at that point.
You are clearly not up to date on world military matters. The only way for the US not to lose is a nuclear war. So basically total destruction of the world and for what? What was the prize?
As soon as Hawaii is hit it would escalate to strategic nuclear strikes
11:47 Explains problem about the air superiority
12:27 Let's send some SEALs
It is 3900 km from Philippines to Japan. It is 2000 km from China to japan. The US thinks it can come to the rescue with an air battle over Formosa? Delusional.
MORE WAR GAME EPISODES PLEASE
Game Of -Thrones- Missiles.
WTF is this
Honestly, its more like a Global FTW, said backwards.
IF Taiwan is truly part of China. Which according to history it certainly is. Why would or should the US be involved in this conflict?
It’s a democratic country now mate. As a Brit I say we go take back… everywhere. Muppet
USA broke its promise in Cairo Declaration 1943, handed China to USSR through Yalta treaty, then waited for China to take Taiwan. But Korean war instead happened, then USA regret. Then USA used Taiwan to handle China for decades, now it's time for USA to determine what's the next step.
Would you also say that according to history, Ireland is surely part of the UK? Taiwan and mainland China have effectively been apart for nearly 130 years since Taiwan was ceded to Japan by Qing-dynasty China in 1895, with only four years "together" from 1945 to 1949 while the Nationalists were losing the civil war. Before Japanese rule, the history of large-scale Chinese migration into Taiwan went back only 300 years, and the Qing government never effectively ruled the whole island.
@@roberttaylor5997 Taiwan was part of china and taken way by Japan, and returned to China after WWII. Chinese Nationalists lost mainland china to Chinese communists, but kept Taiwan under its control. Both Chinese Nationalists and Chinese communists recognized TaiWan was part of China, and both wanted to unite whole china. War between Mainland China and Taiwan, if that happens, will be pure civil war.
it is not according to History lmaoooo. Taiwan aboriginals are Austronesian
This is very dumb. They mapped it out as if China would make all the terrible moves right from the start. They aren't stupid either and most likely wouldn't make any of these initial moves.
You got it!!!
As a Taiwanese I was like WTF it's not a game but I get the appeal...
It’s a game to the players. Not so much to the locals. Genuinely wonder if you, Julien, want this “played out.”
As a Taiwanese, you should know Taiwan is a province of China and Taiwan is ruled under the Republic of China.
@@pingq2081 LOL! Taiwan in NOT a "province", it IS the Republic of China!
I get where you're coming from but I think you misunderstand the label. The term "war game" is really just used to distinguish the fact that this is purely a hypothetical scenario being discussed, and no one is actually giving out the orders in the scenario for real.
@@mikenekosama4426 You ever looked at the RoC national map?
Why did they fail to mention that the USAF has global stealth reach via B2, along with low level B1. Also, they acted as if an amphibious landing, especially on Taiwan was just a matter of showing up and walking up the beach after firing some missile at Taipei. WTF!! Taiwan's geography would be night mare for even the US Marines to land on (hence why we didn't in WW2) and they have over 80 years of experience and prep. China has never done one amphibious landing ever. In fact, the last war China was way back in 1979 and they were push out of Vietnam. I think it's good to be prepared, but I really believe you're giving China way more credit than they merit. It sounds like you guys have been watching Fox "news" for too long and you are stating to believe that rabble they're insecently spewing. China is good at copying, which more than suggested that they lack true ingenuity and integrity. It is also know that their military is deeply corrupt. Why was none of this taken into consideration? This whole thing makes me think, "Hmmmmm..."
from the mainland, u can board a helicopter and fly straight over the presidential office of taiwan. it is within air assault range. they don't even need to land on the beach to capture the president. this is why the latest ROCA plans has shifted division away from the coast and into the city. because they now realise the PLA doesn't even need to do D-Day to win, they can win by air so they have to defend the city from air assault. and this means the coast is now even more undermen, in fact they only have 1/3 of the men required to effectively defend the beach.
my country is the only country to have military unit in taiwan. US may have personal in taiwan but they do not have formations. so as the only country to have train in and seen the operation of both PLA and ROCA in their respectative country, I really don't think Taiwan is ready or even interested to defend themselves. for one, we are not threaten by any country, and yet we have 2 year conscription just like south korea. do you have any idea how long military service is in Taiwan? 4 month. can you even use an ATGM properly in 4 month? i am not even sure u can get past basic training in 4 month! these are not soldier that can fight. the fact that the government doesn't have the poltical will to have their citizen serve for 2 years, is very telling, they care more about making money then fighting. because you are asking the population to give up 20 month of private sector salary by going from 4 month to 2 years. that's what they are really thinking about.
US think they can use Taiwan as a wall against China, but Taiwan is not a wall, it is a door.
the geography of Taiwan is actually problematic for the defender. because the island is divide by a mountain range in the center that run north to south. and all the cities of taiwan are on the side facing the mainland in the west of the island. I travel alot in taiwan, and the entire network literally depend on a couple of highway to link the country north to south. which mean it is very easy to cut the city of from each other since there is a mountain in the middle. there is an airbase on the east side, but that is it. and a single airbase cannot turn the tide of war. so if the side facing mainland fall, it is over. they don't need to take the mountain, they don't need to take the east coast. in fact I believe they will just allow those that want to "escape" mainland rule to leave into the eastern part of the country. and that will be when we see the real loyalty of the people appear, how many would abandon their home and job leave to the east just to be "free"... I really don't think Beijing intent to capture Taiwan by force, if they enter Taiwan, it would be under the claim of "defending the people from chaos", all they need is to wait for some kind of protest, and protest happen in democracy all the time, put a few sinper in the protest like what US did in ukraine, chaos will begin and China would come in as a "peacekeeper". since UN recognise Taiwan belong to China, there is nothing anyone can say against that.
US strategic bomber fleets are limited by the kind of weapons they carry, subsonic tomahawks that rely on GPS satellites still functioning arent going to cut it. China will absolutely shoot down US satellites if it feels the war is getting serious. And the US losing the ability to locate and track chinese naval assets at standoff ranges will put the US and china on equal ground.
US strategic bomber fleets are limited by the kind of weapons they carry, subsonic tomahawks that rely on GPS satellites still functioning arent going to cut it. China will absolutely shoot down US satellites if it feels the war is getting serious. And the US losing the ability to locate and track chinese naval assets at standoff ranges will put the US and china on equal ground.
Taiwan will basically be the next azovstal. it will be bombed and blockaded until they run out of ammo and fuel.
lol
been war gaming ( board games not computer games ) since the mid-60's, and this "round table" approach is very much like the way it is done at high government levels. IMO, when the Chinese hit Pearl, the US would go nuts and launch the nukes, at the very least on the invasion embarcation ports.
no they absolutely would not. nukes only get introduced if China is insane enough to go beyond conventional weapons.
At which point it would be goodbye world....
Great exercise. We need to fast forward our alliance building and preparations. Not having PPP was a strategic mistake
Japan said they will defend Taiwan, USA said they defend Japan. China said they would nuke if they had to fight Japan.... Yeah this wouldn't go well.
China would lose due to a naval blockade and the only way out would be to ship goods and fuel via Russia.
Russia can't ship anything. They're pretty much blocked. And all the oil goes through the streets of Malacca which can be easily cut off by the US, India, Australia and a whole host of other nations.
But blockage of what? Chinese export products? But China selling products all over the world including U.S and western countries. If you just block the crude oil China already have many pipe line that the transport from land. Moreover, US don't have any military edge over in South China Sea. Blockage could more like another way around.
the only imports china really needs for survival is oil. they can stockpile, ration, and increase overland imports to survive for at least several years. then you'd have to ask the question whether taiwan can last as long under a blockade. the answer is no. it's a tiny island with a large population. china can't be blockaded near china because of large missile stockpiles, so it'd have to be done at the 2nd island chain. this means taiwan gets blockaded as well by the PLA.
@@everythingisfine9988 There is no way for us to defend Taiwan without sinking its own pacific fleet via hypersonic missiles. And before any shots are fired. China can simply form a naval blockade to collapse the Taiwanese economy, at the same time seize all taiwnanese business and cut off sending goods to the United States. The us will suffer from hyper inflation due to lack of essentials and enter into recession. There would be mass riots and Chinatowns arming themselves to resist anti Chinese violence. Essentially a civil war would break out. At the sametime there will be protests and civil unrest in major cities due to commodity shortage. layer on top cyber attacks on all fronts crippling communications and knocking out of satellites. America will basically go dark
@@levelazn go dark? The United States has been an energy exporter since 2019. Are you familiar with the technology called "fracking"?
And as far as China's blockade. China has no natural oil resources and could only get some. And I mean "some" oil from Russia vast majority comes on boat via the Middle East. Something the Japanese or Indian or Australian and American navies can easily block. China would turn into a bronze age civilization within a year.
What else are you going to say? The Russians are a powerful military?? I think these dictators are proving exactly how effective they are at doing anything right.
China has a population of 1.6 billion people the United States has a population of approximately 360 million people. China Has Lifted 800 million people out of poverty in the past decade. When we look at the dissatisfaction of the 29% that supported Trump we are fighting our own War within our own country. This 29% voted for Trump because they are desperately needing change. We are corrupted by our own corporate billionaires. This war is being fought within our own population. Why aren't we talking about the wealth disparity in our own country the Monopoly of the pharmaceutical companies, outrageous cost of healthcare with a broken Healthcare System, The fact that child care is so outrageously expensive many single women are not able to even work outside the home, one out of four families are one paycheck away from homelessness, fact that Republicans are corrupted by wealthy lobbyists. The Monopoly of eight major corporations running all of the media companies. We must solve our problems at home in order to even begin to intervene in this oncoming war with China.
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I have a feeling better qualified men were passed over for female representation.
On that note why was the literal general silent
Is there an uncut full version of this?
You can’t compare Afghanistan war with This conflict.
I think the US response was way to muted in this simulation. After having Hawaii bombed and attempted bombings of California and Alaska the USA would almost certainly retaliate against a high profile target such as Beijing.
It would also cause NATO/OTAN to be forced to get Involved
@@thesswb4463 and then nato will collectively try to invade china which will you know, just donating the lives of young soldiers. And then, desperation comes, how bout exchange of nuclear warheads. That would be wonderful to erase the cities of china beijing shanghai, and cities of usa new york california and all major european cities. That's a fantastic way of ending our lives
Then, I think China will certainly retaliate against US high profile targets such as NY and DC.
I agree with Eric.
Agreed, before it even got to that point, attacking US in Japan was an attack on NATO and would trigger Article 5. The Red Team has no idea what China would do, or how they would do it. A pre-emptive strike against US/NATO would be the dumbest thing they could do.
Taiwan would look just like Ukraine. I hope they are building bunkers.
Taiwan has been preping since 1949, bunkers are everywhere.
most will be annihilated in spite of bunkers.
Most of Ukraine is flat. Around 70% of Taiwan is mountainous. Mountainous areas are not easy to conquer.
@@ab9840 Im all for Taiwan. You can see the devistation done to Ukraine with modern conventional weapons. Take the size of every city that Russia has destroyed in Ukraine and compare it to the size of Tiawan. One of these days the military exorcise is going to be an attack. Be ready!
Most of these ‘bunkers’ are just underground parking, I dunno how effective they will be against missile strikes
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Exactly. I don't understand how all the fools commenting in this thread don't see the real purpose behind this segment. They want to normalize the concept of war in the eye of the American public. This is insane.
The US Marines recently purchased Iron Dome from Israel. Why don’t we give it to Taiwan?
This should be turned into a new series on Geek and Sundry
Let's face the reality. US military may still be formidable but stands no chances in South China sea. China missiles are unlike before, it can shoots up to 1000km not to say about their hypersonic missiles which the US has no way to stop. Do you think US will wants to risk it's carrier near them?? Do you think US is willing to sacrifice for Taiwan?? I honestly doubts so.
Maybe but we are drastically uping our hypersonic missiles defense. Not to mention in this scenario the second we get attacked NATO is involved. In the South China Sea our Navy is miles ahead, especially in conjunction with our allies. There are some variables in these scenarios that aren’t accounted for
We absolutely will. Most Americans hate the CCP and comunism. Even lefty Biden said we would help them. I think it's for sure a ww3 scenario, with total destruction of China and N Korea being the result. Korea is finally reunited and China becomes a nationalist led government.
It would only benefit US military complex. American, mind your own business! Let Chinese people solve their own issue.
Taiwanese are not Chinese. That is like saying "American, mind your own business! Let caucasian people solve their own issue." Taiwan will defend itself if there is an invasion. Taiwan is preparing for an invasion. But a clear stance of support of Taiwan from the free world could prevent the war outright.
Chinese people? There are Austronesian in Taiwan. GTFO Northern Chinese. if we gonna go ethnicities, this is supposed to be just Hokkien, Hakka, Hokchew and Austronesians Issues. GTFO northern Chinese
Nuclear weapons will be used at some point if Taiwan gets invaded.
The underestimation of North Korea is shocking & if these are experts i’m a whole lot better than I think I am
North Korea is unlikey to get involved and I think China prefers it that way.
@@daxtynminn3415 I doubt America would take troops away from South Korea when North Korea is literally in the suburbs of Seoul
The only problem with North Korea is their secrecy they may say they have something, but then later is proven false. Most of their claims are bs. They instead end the world than summiting the free world same as Russia. China is less likely because the U.S and China depend on each other
@@daxtynminn3415 Or just the opposite. Use the DPRK as a diversion and when the US is distracted hit Tawain then. Of course there is probably a plan for that too.
0:12 - 0:19 generally a great practice ❤️🙏🏾
Have to run these games again with the four new bases in the Philippines plus etc
Thanks for spending the time to create and share content like this
PLA-Navy submarines from Hainan sneak into Pacific via Visayas region to the Philippine Sea.
China's already at war in the frontline against COVID. They are facing economy downturn, surging number of dissidents, and housing crisis. Taiwan is the least of their concern right now.
China's economy actually grew during COVID and significant less deaths than US.
@@MrSpiritmonger The point is that China's priorities is not annexation of Taiwan while they have so many domestic issues.
Sure...if that helps you feel better, go with it.
Impossible to say what will happen down the road but some nations use a military conflict to distract from domestic issues. “Rally around the flag.”
@@MrSpiritmonger LOL! Chinese Communist Party statistics are total BS.
“You have to have a peace posture that deters”
Like letting a balloon fly over our military bases unchallenged? Like that? 😂
That was actually pretty smart, allowed more time to analyse, including cyber and encryption.
It depends on how much information did the US think the chinese could get from that.
This is some high school model UN level stuff...everyone involved should be embarrassed
Red team's first move is to attack guam much like how Japan's first move in WW2 was to attack pearl harbor in hopes to crush American capabilities in the pacific. However, we all know how that ended.
Guam isn’t even a first line naval base. It’s a base that exists for supply and support. But the airforce base is a different story
First of all murica wont fight china they wont even safe ukraine they rather watch and send some weapons second of all china is not japan. China economy and navy amount and population and army amount and tanks amount is just way bigger and china has a bigger navy
@@delanofernandes6471 china has a bigger navy but they do not have a bigger combat fleet. Their subfleet is a literal joke too
@@timber_wulf5775 something china has that US does not have is hypersonic missles. They go at insane speed and go way lower than normal missles wich makes the radars to detect it later. Normal rockets get shot in a bow and land on its target in one straight line. The hypersonic missle can maneuver verry good in mid air making it even harder combined with the low attitude and the speed they go with it will be a sertan hit if fired towards a aircraft carrier
This was a great segment from a military conflict perspective . However, the economic fallout will be much more devastating for the US. We need China more than they need us. Everyday Americans will not want nor care about a conflict between China and Taiwan. If China attacks US soil then we will have a rally around the flag moment. China can move on Taiwan and avoid American interference if it attacks the US economically first. Disrupt life on the home front, Americans will not want to fight in a war abroad defending a country they cannot find on a map.
acturally dont know why red team need to atteck Japan and Guan first, no need to do that
Well thought out and spot on.
Poosey
@@xinli5173 I get the reason. Same reason why Japan hit Pearl Harbor, Wake Island, and the Philippines all on the same day. Deal a death blow to American naval power in the pacific that will push them back. Hitting Guam or Saipan would be a mistake on China’s part. The best time to take Taiwan is when the US is focused on a domestic crisis something on par with Hurricane Katrina or a major winter storm. A time when all focus would be on that. Not in China. Or the inverse, just as a natural disaster is hitting Taiwan, take advantage of instability.
@@abelincoln6785 that is why what china is doing is asinine.
Red team is not the brightest here… take these people’s opinion with a grain of salt.
Strange game… the only way to win is not to play… “how about a nice game of chess” 🙏
That's a good advice for China.
Tick-tack-toe - Great movie! Dr Strangelove and MAD might be mentioned too...
@@mariposabay4006 China isn't coming to Gulf of Mexico playing war games
@@user-mv6he6gl8m ....On The Beach
Taiwan's official name is "Republic of China (ROC)". So you are basically saying China will invade China LOL
like its been with every chinese civil war since the shang dynasty ... yes
This video was so interesting and entertaining!! We hope you will have more videos like this in the future!
The tension across Taiwan straits is NOT about democrary per se. Taiwan strait gotten into more and more difficult situation is entire the fault of DPP party and some folks in US who just don't want to see Taiwan' reunion with Mainland (because that would create a more powerful "imagery foe") ... Before DPP was in power, two side held talks towards peaceful resolutions. DPP party and its bas against a reunion with Mainland, NOT because they are fanatic on democracy as they pretend to be,, DPP's base are those Japanese decendents who was allowed to convert into ROC citiezen after WWIIm this part of population is only 20% in Taiwan now，yet they now control the politics and policy in Taiwan... .In 2004, DPP party engineered a self inflicted gun shot just in order to get more votes to stay in powe
there was one major error reported in this report. American Naval SAM forces are vastly superior to PAAF. so not likely that USA would not have Air dominance over Taiwan.
second the PLA would not strike like this. too complicated a plan and no reward especial with nuclear.
they will strike only with massive air and naval and marines forces to Taiwan and not trigger foreign involvement. they will focus on Taiwan like a sledge hammer no surgical strike. Like UK did in Falkland's. get a foot hold then drive it bigger. not by massive LPD like USN but even with small boast like Dunkirk but in reverse. 10000 ships landing 50 men is more effective than 10 drooping over 1000 each..
taiwan will fight and Usa will overcome . but cost will be high. for china just more troop looses which they can replace quickly.
Yes they would not do the preemptive strikes, but limit their strikes on Taiwan. Also US would never bomb ships in Chinese ports either, but would wait for them to sail out near to Taiwan... But why does the US have an interest in Taiwan, I haven't heard that explanation yet.
Bottom line Pacific Fleet and Allies will emerge victorious… at a cost of 20k + lives.
@@DSandy111
US interests in Taiwan--
Has been a friendly nation since 1949
Finally achieved democracy after a long struggle
Produces the world's most sophisticated semiconductors
Is a keystone in the chain of US-friendly islands that stretch from Northern Hokkaido, Japan, all the way down to Indonesia
You can just assert that usn anti air capabilities is vastly superior to chinese system. Because non of them were tested in any full blown combat . And I also heard many experts at dc think tanks talking about chinese anti access area denial capabilities. And ageis baseline 16 maybe superior at abm capabilities but they are pretty much helpless against hypersonics. And also in term of best AAW capabilities british 'sea viper' is the best system in the world.
@@vetsurfcampfish1616 Nope. All American simulated wargames against Russia and China ended in failure. So no, the U.S and her allies all lost. This is coming from the PENTAGON WARGAMES.