Definitely all in 🎉 I think this season they’ve pushed the game mechanisms way further than I’ve ever thought possible. I’m not that concerned with not knowing a lot about all the characters from this season because I didn’t know a lot from last season and some of those characters ended up being my favorite to play! I am getting it all because I absolutely love this game and I want to experience all the interesting new things they’ve added to make it even better
As far as I can see the playmate will be available to retail. The previous exclusivity has been removed. Also, the just announced animal companion, a la "Cthulu: Death May Die" Kickstarter exclusive.
I'm very excited for Maximum Carnage but that's because I had the comic and SNES game so it plays on nostalgia. As well as Carnage being my favorite villain
You can pledge $1 now and decide to get your pledge when the pledge manager opens if you want to. Some people just like to pledge during the funding period to contribute to unlocking stretch goals.
@@rustydowd879 Ah I see. I went for the Core box. But I may want to add more things later, if my funds have room for it. I didn't know the system was this flexible.
@@lystic9392 , I'm in the same boat. If you're new to board game kickstarters, and on a budget, don't forget to factor in shipping costs too. They can be significant. There's a chart towards the bottom of the campaign page with estimated shipping.
"Marvel United: Kitchen Sink". Their marketing team missed an opportunity there. This playmat is smaller (yay!), but it doesn't have a place for the hero/villain cards, which is the main benefit of a playmat (boo!). I'm still hoping for a 3rd-party rectangular mat, but I think the X-Men mat was the best of the 3 seasons. I'm curious what the all-in price will be, and exactly what it will include.
Realistically the three paths from here that fit with Spin Master's licensing are Disney United, DC United, and Capcom United, with Star Wars maybe fitting within the umbrella of DC United. Capcom United would be my personal starting choice, simply because it lends itself very naturally and would be a big departure from comics characters.
I'm very close to the same spot as you. Have everything from S1 & S2 ... wife complains about the amount of stuff, yet we play it a ton. Thus, $100 then it might just be some add ons like the play mat & some cards/decks. I am considering the plastic tokens because we do play a lot ... and the higher quality locations. For someone starting with nothing - I encouraged people to get a copy of the x-men (S2) base and play with it ... maybe a $1 pledge to get in the manager and decide later. Though I did that during the S2 campaign and ended up with everything.
Expansions worth it - Civil war - B+ (since it has iron spiderman exclusive) Maximum carnage - A+ Secret Invasion - C War of the kings - B (if your getting the campaign decks then A) Age of Apocalypse- B (if your getting the campaign decks then A) Annihulation - C
Stretch goals don't deserve scare quotes for CMON on United -- they had new stretch goals towards the end of Season 2 that they didn't have painted versions to show because they were overwhelmed by the support and designing on the fly
I think I’m just waiting for retail. I pledged both of the first seasons (core only season one, core plus Days of Future Past and Gold second season), so I generally have plenty of stuff, and the new mechanics seem cool, but I don’t need that many copies of them. Darkchild and Iron Patriot are tempting though (Utopia/Exodus is one of my 5 favorite x-men stories all time), but those are really the only two stretch goals that interest me. Maybe if they added Demon Bear, the three would be enough to entice me (though I definitely shouldn’t).
Such a tough decision. Got base game avengers, base game xmen, into the spidervers and dr strange for less the $40 a while back. All I really want is the equipment and a play mat so may just ask a buddy who's backing to snag those for me and might cancel my pledge. Yet it's sooooo tempting....
Craziest part to me is how much they virred from the multiverse. This really just feels like Marvel Unties 2.0. You can't include the word multiverse and not have Zombies add on, he'll the Squadron Supreme and an Old Man logan add would've made perfect sense aswell. I would've even taken a Ultimate Universe box, overall a really weird choices they had here.
@@raortiz73 Yea I have him but it would've been cool to have his own box. Their were enough side characters in that story to work with. Old Man Hawkeye, spideys granddaughter, hillbilly hulks etc.
I'm personally glad it doesn't lean on the multiverse too much, perhaps the name could've been better. So far I've enjoyed the campaign but I do think Secret Invasion and Annihilation feel light on content compared to the others.
Also Morbius is in the Maximum Carnage comic which is why he is in that box. Plus he was one of it not the most requested character this season in the comments. Same with Vulcan being the villian in WoK, he is a straight up evil bastard in the War of Kings comic
I think they released all the major chars on the first KS promo box. www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/marvel-united-multiverse/posts/3716476 Check this list so you might get this one.
I think its worth it. You have too many variations of heroes and villains by then, but almost no variation for locations, so theres that. And its more thematic that way.
@@martinvesavuori6771 Ah my bad on the misunderstanding. I thought you were asking if buying cardboard locations was worth it if you already had the paper ones. I agree with the others that additional locations are always a good thing.
Thanks for the reminder not to back beyond the pledge level. I’m new to the marvel united series. Do you have any recommendations for someone completely new to Marvel united? Currently I’m considering herald pledge + AoA Expansion + Maximum carnage + FF expansion + X-men promo box. But the X-men promo box is quite expensive, do you feel it’s worth it?
@@Ironhawx definitely won't judging by the price of it now. You will never find the s1 and s2 promos cheaper than this unless you get insanely lucky and find a generous person getting rid of theirs.
@@Ironhawx , as someone who has been shopping for one lately, the season 1 promo box has been ridiculously expensive even before this campaign was announced. This release will bolster supply, but I wouldn't count on it bringing prices down to below what they're asking here.
I went for base + maximum carnage + the (promo) team decks. Reasoning is: I have sinister six and like it. So enhancing it sounds like the safest bet. And the equipment cards and team decks will probably add more to the game for me than all else. I like playing heroes that are part of the same team thematically and this will give me a fun extra reason to do so. And the equipment cards will elevate og heroes to be as interesting as the heroes from X-Men/Multiverse.
I bought everything the last campaign. I have been VERY picky this time around. I’m getting more extras that are NOT boxes of more minis for sure. Good video, thanks!
I think if this game is one of the favorites, then they would take all in anyway. I did not know a lot of heroes before I played Marvel Snap, and after playing Marvel Snap, and seeing their abillities, etc. Some characters intrigues me. I have never read a single Marvel comic book. Bet ledgit opinions not to get some of this stuff
i've only gotten what you can get at retail is it worth the money to get the promo's and if so which ones? both or just united or mutant? I'm considering getting 100 pledge with plastic original tokens then, pets, playmat and classic promo, but just not quite sure yet on the previous promo's as that's pricey
Another reason not to initially pledge at high levels with CMON - they’ve been closing pledgemanagers very quickly after campaigns end. If you miss it, they won’t send you the pledge items and the best you can do is apply for a partial refund.
Agree with you on the Galactus pledge. I think the campaign deck is my #1 and I might stop there depending on shipping costs. Hearing you talk about the other boxes does have me interested though.
Definitely all-in. Glad they are mostly focusing on classic stories and classic iconic characters, rather than anything from the current weak era of Marvel comics.
Is it worth it. Yes. But only if you get the 100 dollar pledge. If your like me and want to bling it out and spend close to 500. Then maybe it’s worth it. But I love this game.
Nope. Not even close. Once again, credit to CMON for somehow getting $100s of dollars out of people for a $29 kid's game by just piling more cheap plastic on top.
@@JM32JM32 Being a very light game is part of it for sure, but it's also the art style and the emphasis on toys over game. It's a simply designed mass market game...which is absolutely fine, they sell far more than hobby games...it's just massively overpriced for the amount of effort required to churn this level of product out.
@@michaelmueller260 Yet to play it - but you are wrong on so many levels - First a kids game can be cheap or expensive - see toys . second what is a kid ? what is a game? just where do you start here suffice to say I want to tap into my child wonder and uncynical enjoyment - plus this game is what you want be to be a - a fun romp or an extremely hard crunchy resource/efficiency machine . Third effort - how wrong - they have made 3 seasons that can be sandboxed how you like - I sure that takes a lot of effort - it has lots of mechanisms - yes some heroes could be chucked out with little care. I saw adults out and about yesterday while walking my dog doing Pokemon Go community day - is that a kids game needing low effort ?. Plus effort in designing has low correlation to kids or adult game Denigrating designers of games specifically for young kids is doing them a disservice . How much a game sells is irrelevant - Wingspan sells a lot - pretty cute , ooh nice eggs - is it a kids game ? Plus some games are expensive with little material costs - what is the effort worth ? Anyway rant over - lots of adults have this in their top ten - I don't want a 4.5 difficulty game that I need a play group 4 to 6 to play 40 times a year to understand the meta - I just want fun and be social - ie be a kid , C'mon KS core are extremely good value ( ignoring shipping )for longevity and amount of game play . Liege is right $65 is incredible value - those cute kids minis can also be repurposed for extra utility and value
@@nimblegoat Firstly, there's 100% nothing wrong with kid's games, I play plenty of them. And you're right, it's great to tap into that childhood joy. We can disagree on how to define a game's complexity, but I'm sorry, there is nothing even approaching an extremely hard or crunchy efficiency puzzle here. Sure, there are some villains and heroes that require some level of strategy, but it still boils down to very simple and almost obvious choices nearly every time. The original design for sure took some effort to create, although the mechanisms are simple and not remotely unique or innovative. Everything beyond that required vastly less effort and design work...plug and chug. Sure, there are some minor differences in how some villains play (heroes, not so much), but those are very minimal. Just look at the number of "different" characters churned out over what, 2 years? There just isn't much effort that goes into adding piles of plastic and characters, and CMON has never spent any time balancing anything other than original core games. Wingspan is not a kid's game, and it also doesn't try to fomo people into spending $100s of dollars for a handful of "new" birds every year. Like what you like, play what you want to play, but the question was "is it worth it". For you and thousands of others, the answer seems to be yes. For me and thousands of others, the answer is an emphatic NO.
@@michaelmueller260 It's light, but deep if you want it to be. The sky is the limit. You can play on harder difficulties + add in more challenges and get games that are tough enough that it will take you many tries to beat before you finally crack it, requiring you to plan future turns for multiple characters to get the combos to win, at which point that victory feels that much sweeter. Or until you're forced to change out characters until you find a more favorable matchup. Either way, there's some depth there to figuring it out. Obvious choices? We must be playing different games. Try Vulture 4p Heroic with Sentinel and show proof of all of the "obvious choices" that lead to an easy victory. On top of that, merely switching out the villains gives different loss conditions to make the games feel different from each other. I've felt more variety playing this game than I do some "heavier" games where, despite the added complexity (ie, more rules to keep track of), each game feels actually similar to each other. But it's a kids game because... of the art style? (That seems subjective, can already tell you don't like the chibi miniatures, which is fine but again, subjective). It's a kids game because... it's light? So games are kids games if they're light? It's low effort because... why, exactly? In many ways, designing a sandbox light game that can appeal to many different difficulty levels is more difficult than designing a good complex game, because that's a tough tightrope to walk. "Efficiency" in rules/rules interactions is a challenge, not an example of low effort. Now granted, in terms of playable characters, there are other games I like that have MUCH more to each individual playable character. The flipside to this is having a much, much bigger roster of playable characters in MU. Personally I prefer fewer, more distinct characters myself, but I see what they were going for here. A single game that can cast a very wide net over the Marvel property, allowing people to almost always have their favorites to play, and in which both popular characters and more obscure deep cut characters can be mixed and matched, has its own appeal. But your last point is spot on; is it worth it is up to you. Tons of people don't think it is worth it because no single game can be "worth it" to everyone. And for tons of people, it is worth it, because obviously this game has a lot of fans - enough to apparently make a multi-million dollar KS THREE times, despite the third one having mostly more obscure/deep cut characters. Edit: Also, the game would of course be cheaper if cardboard standees were used instead of miniatures, but that obviously applies to every game.
No it's not 3.0 these heroes and villain are trash tier compared to any of the other kickstarters. 2 if you already own 400 dollars of this game and you STILL want more maybe there's something fundamentally missing where the game doesn't feel complete.
Maybe, but also maybe not.. If you already own tons of a game, but you enjoy it so much that you want more, then it could just be that you really like that game. Imperial Assault is one of my favorite boardgames of all time, and you can spend a ton of money on it and still not own everything. And yet if FFG picked it back up and started releasing content for the Prequels, I absolutely would be buying more of it.
Tbh i don't care at all for any CMON game. But the flesh is weak when i see marvel united ^_^. I don't get cardboards/or plastic upgrades but all the gameplay expansions. Those minis are lovely. I just hope for a KS in the future that will use all the minis on a mega-campaign story or a completely different game. But once they announce a star wars or any other united title i am out. Liege as always thank you for the effort ;) and keep it up.
@@rustydowd879 Do you have DMD (Death May Die)? So the Late Pledge button for the most recent DMD KS is, somehow, still working. And man, I'm genuinely torn here. I own no DMD stuff, so I'm thinking about not getting MU:M and going for DMD instead. Any minute DMD PM could stop working, since it was supposed to close on the 31st of January.
@@commandershepard9920 , I'm a Lovecraft nerd so I have seasons 1 & 2 of DMD. I was really torn myself. I love the game but my gaming group has an unusal affection for Eldritich Horror by FFG. So whenever I bring up DMD, they want to play Elditch Horror instead. So I passed on the new seasons. I'll probably cave when I see them on ebay. My only complaint about DMD is that keeping track of the boss monsters can be a little fiddly and it can slow down the game at what are supposed to be the most intense moments of an otherwise fast-playing game. It may get easier if you play a lot regularly. Other than that, it's a fun game with really amazing art that manages to stand out in a very saturated Lovecraftian game market.
@@rustydowd879 Cool, thank you for the based take, including some of the potential flaws or slowdown. Sounds like a lot of fun! Eldritch Horror huh? Will have to give that one a look; I tend to be a huge fan of FFG.
Definitely all in 🎉
I think this season they’ve pushed the game mechanisms way further than I’ve ever thought possible. I’m not that concerned with not knowing a lot about all the characters from this season because I didn’t know a lot from last season and some of those characters ended up being my favorite to play! I am getting it all because I absolutely love this game and I want to experience all the interesting new things they’ve added to make it even better
The campaign decks were mentioned in the live stream as saying you can mostly substitute if you have to. 😊
As far as I can see the playmate will be available to retail. The previous exclusivity has been removed.
Also, the just announced animal companion, a la "Cthulu: Death May Die" Kickstarter exclusive.
I have been wanting to ask this question:
If you don't have any kids to play with, would you get Marvel United?
STOP HITTING THE TABLE JEEZ
I'm very excited for Maximum Carnage but that's because I had the comic and SNES game so it plays on nostalgia. As well as Carnage being my favorite villain
You didn’t mention the Complications deck in Annihilation. Any thoughts on it?
You can still add things later through pledge manager right?
absolutely, yep!
You can pledge $1 now and decide to get your pledge when the pledge manager opens if you want to. Some people just like to pledge during the funding period to contribute to unlocking stretch goals.
@@rustydowd879 Ah I see. I went for the Core box. But I may want to add more things later, if my funds have room for it.
I didn't know the system was this flexible.
@@lystic9392 , I'm in the same boat. If you're new to board game kickstarters, and on a budget, don't forget to factor in shipping costs too. They can be significant. There's a chart towards the bottom of the campaign page with estimated shipping.
"Marvel United: Kitchen Sink". Their marketing team missed an opportunity there.
This playmat is smaller (yay!), but it doesn't have a place for the hero/villain cards, which is the main benefit of a playmat (boo!). I'm still hoping for a 3rd-party rectangular mat, but I think the X-Men mat was the best of the 3 seasons.
I'm curious what the all-in price will be, and exactly what it will include.
For anyone not in the loop, there is also another Marvel United multiverse core box coming out to retail only later this year: Spider-geddon.
Next title I would love is DC UNITED.
You sir should be crowned King of CMON
Spin Master does license with DC...
Star Wars United
Realistically the three paths from here that fit with Spin Master's licensing are Disney United, DC United, and Capcom United, with Star Wars maybe fitting within the umbrella of DC United. Capcom United would be my personal starting choice, simply because it lends itself very naturally and would be a big departure from comics characters.
I'm very close to the same spot as you. Have everything from S1 & S2 ... wife complains about the amount of stuff, yet we play it a ton.
Thus, $100 then it might just be some add ons like the play mat & some cards/decks. I am considering the plastic tokens because we do play a lot ... and the higher quality locations.
For someone starting with nothing - I encouraged people to get a copy of the x-men (S2) base and play with it ... maybe a $1 pledge to get in the manager and decide later. Though I did that during the S2 campaign and ended up with everything.
I always watch in double speed!
I think I'm passing. I got a few in the X-Men campaign. Plus I've never heard of 90% of these characters.
Expansions worth it -
Civil war - B+ (since it has iron spiderman exclusive)
Maximum carnage - A+
Secret Invasion - C
War of the kings - B (if your getting the campaign decks then A)
Age of Apocalypse- B (if your getting the campaign decks then A)
Annihulation - C
Stretch goals don't deserve scare quotes for CMON on United -- they had new stretch goals towards the end of Season 2 that they didn't have painted versions to show because they were overwhelmed by the support and designing on the fly
Secret Invasion is an old story line is what a comic geek would say, a normie would say Secret Invasion is the upcoming Marvel series
I think I’m just waiting for retail. I pledged both of the first seasons (core only season one, core plus Days of Future Past and Gold second season), so I generally have plenty of stuff, and the new mechanics seem cool, but I don’t need that many copies of them. Darkchild and Iron Patriot are tempting though (Utopia/Exodus is one of my 5 favorite x-men stories all time), but those are really the only two stretch goals that interest me. Maybe if they added Demon Bear, the three would be enough to entice me (though I definitely shouldn’t).
Such a tough decision. Got base game avengers, base game xmen, into the spidervers and dr strange for less the $40 a while back. All I really want is the equipment and a play mat so may just ask a buddy who's backing to snag those for me and might cancel my pledge. Yet it's sooooo tempting....
Get the $65 or 100 pledge and you'll have all the content until the end of time
Get the basic pledge just for the SG's. The SG's usually hold good secondary market value if you decide you don't need them.
Craziest part to me is how much they virred from the multiverse. This really just feels like Marvel Unties 2.0.
You can't include the word multiverse and not have Zombies add on, he'll the Squadron Supreme and an Old Man logan add would've made perfect sense aswell. I would've even taken a Ultimate Universe box, overall a really weird choices they had here.
I hear you on the Multiverse aspect, even though I would prefer no zombies. Old Man Logan was is season 2 already.
@@raortiz73 Yea I have him but it would've been cool to have his own box. Their were enough side characters in that story to work with. Old Man Hawkeye, spideys granddaughter, hillbilly hulks etc.
CMON already has a Marvel Zombicide coming out. It's best for a company not to compete against itself, they're probably thinking.
I'm personally glad it doesn't lean on the multiverse too much, perhaps the name could've been better. So far I've enjoyed the campaign but I do think Secret Invasion and Annihilation feel light on content compared to the others.
Also Morbius is in the Maximum Carnage comic which is why he is in that box. Plus he was one of it not the most requested character this season in the comments.
Same with Vulcan being the villian in WoK, he is a straight up evil bastard in the War of Kings comic
Too much cmon fomo for me, also have not played anywhere near enough united X-Men to get anymore of this.
Great video! Thank you for your opinion!
If they put in a Daredevil set- I would be all in!
I think they released all the major chars on the first KS promo box. www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/marvel-united-multiverse/posts/3716476 Check this list so you might get this one.
Would you recommend the cardboard locations just to get more locations? I have no other sets and will most likely get the core box + Maximum Carnage.
I personally laminate the paper locations and it makes them durable and thinner for storage.
Yeah, but I’m thinking if it’s worth to buy them as an expansion to get 50 locations or are the locations not that varied?
I think its worth it.
You have too many variations of heroes and villains by then, but almost no variation for locations, so theres that.
And its more thematic that way.
@@martinvesavuori6771 Ah my bad on the misunderstanding. I thought you were asking if buying cardboard locations was worth it if you already had the paper ones. I agree with the others that additional locations are always a good thing.
Thanks for the reminder not to back beyond the pledge level. I’m new to the marvel united series. Do you have any recommendations for someone completely new to Marvel united? Currently I’m considering herald pledge + AoA Expansion + Maximum carnage + FF expansion + X-men promo box. But the X-men promo box is quite expensive, do you feel it’s worth it?
X-men promo box is huge. Tons of new villains and heroes (many great). It's worth it if you love the game and want even more content.
Vulkan is not a anti hero he’s a full on bad guy he may of been an x-man to begin with by war of kings he no longer has any hero characteristics
I have decided to back a herald pledge with Annihilation, age of apocalypse, and if I have the money I am going to get Maximum carnage.
I’m so close to going all in …..can’t resist temptation…
@ I wanted to go all in I just don't have that kind of money.
Most of the characters I have never heard of... But I'm in 2 minds to back just to get the original stretch goal box
I think you’ll find it cheaper in secondary market in a few yeara
@@Ironhawx definitely won't judging by the price of it now. You will never find the s1 and s2 promos cheaper than this unless you get insanely lucky and find a generous person getting rid of theirs.
@@Ironhawx , as someone who has been shopping for one lately, the season 1 promo box has been ridiculously expensive even before this campaign was announced. This release will bolster supply, but I wouldn't count on it bringing prices down to below what they're asking here.
Definitely worth it for me, I’m a huge marvel fan and I love the game. Also, seeing obscure characters that you never see in stuff is awesome
I went for base + maximum carnage + the (promo) team decks.
Reasoning is: I have sinister six and like it. So enhancing it sounds like the safest bet. And the equipment cards and team decks will probably add more to the game for me than all else.
I like playing heroes that are part of the same team thematically and this will give me a fun extra reason to do so. And the equipment cards will elevate og heroes to be as interesting as the heroes from X-Men/Multiverse.
I bought everything the last campaign. I have been VERY picky this time around. I’m getting more extras that are NOT boxes of more minis for sure. Good video, thanks!
I think if this game is one of the favorites, then they would take all in anyway. I did not know a lot of heroes before I played Marvel Snap, and after playing Marvel Snap, and seeing their abillities, etc. Some characters intrigues me. I have never read a single Marvel comic book. Bet ledgit opinions not to get some of this stuff
i've only gotten what you can get at retail is it worth the money to get the promo's and if so which ones? both or just united or mutant? I'm considering getting 100 pledge with plastic original tokens then, pets, playmat and classic promo, but just not quite sure yet on the previous promo's as that's pricey
Another reason not to initially pledge at high levels with CMON - they’ve been closing pledgemanagers very quickly after campaigns end. If you miss it, they won’t send you the pledge items and the best you can do is apply for a partial refund.
Agree with you on the Galactus pledge. I think the campaign deck is my #1 and I might stop there depending on shipping costs. Hearing you talk about the other boxes does have me interested though.
Thanks for reminding me not to back everything now... I can change it later when pledge manager opens
Thanks for the advice. These kickstarters are getting crazy.
Definitely all-in. Glad they are mostly focusing on classic stories and classic iconic characters, rather than anything from the current weak era of Marvel comics.
They got me! I tried to hold off as long as I could. I really did. :(
It happens to the best of us.
Is it worth it.
Yes. But only if you get the 100 dollar pledge.
If your like me and want to bling it out and spend close to 500. Then maybe it’s worth it. But I love this game.
No season of a board game is worth 500 plus dollars
@@seansmith2650 If you play it over 100 times, it can be. Everyone is different.
@@seansmith2650 thats on you not for everyone else.
@@jaydeestrong no it's for everyone else. It's called the I'm bad with money pledge
@@seansmith2650 Eh, different people spend money on different things. Seems like an inflexible and weird take.
This is exactly what I was waiting for. You are my favorite no bs TH-camr.
Value yes, quality of characters no. Not a fan of the old storylines....You lost me there brother, everything new sucks.
Nope. Not even close. Once again, credit to CMON for somehow getting $100s of dollars out of people for a $29 kid's game by just piling more cheap plastic on top.
What makes it a "kid's game" to you? Does more weight = adult? Because weight isn't what a lot of us play board games for.
@@JM32JM32 Being a very light game is part of it for sure, but it's also the art style and the emphasis on toys over game. It's a simply designed mass market game...which is absolutely fine, they sell far more than hobby games...it's just massively overpriced for the amount of effort required to churn this level of product out.
@@michaelmueller260 Yet to play it - but you are wrong on so many levels - First a kids game can be cheap or expensive - see toys . second what is a kid ? what is a game? just where do you start here suffice to say I want to tap into my child wonder and uncynical enjoyment - plus this game is what you want be to be a - a fun romp or an extremely hard crunchy resource/efficiency machine . Third effort - how wrong - they have made 3 seasons that can be sandboxed how you like - I sure that takes a lot of effort - it has lots of mechanisms - yes some heroes could be chucked out with little care. I saw adults out and about yesterday while walking my dog doing Pokemon Go community day - is that a kids game needing low effort ?. Plus effort in designing has low correlation to kids or adult game Denigrating designers of games specifically for young kids is doing them a disservice . How much a game sells is irrelevant - Wingspan sells a lot - pretty cute , ooh nice eggs - is it a kids game ?
Plus some games are expensive with little material costs - what is the effort worth ?
Anyway rant over - lots of adults have this in their top ten - I don't want a 4.5 difficulty game that I need a play group 4 to 6 to play 40 times a year to understand the meta - I just want fun and be social - ie be a kid ,
C'mon KS core are extremely good value ( ignoring shipping )for longevity and amount of game play .
Liege is right $65 is incredible value - those cute kids minis can also be repurposed for extra utility and value
@@nimblegoat Firstly, there's 100% nothing wrong with kid's games, I play plenty of them. And you're right, it's great to tap into that childhood joy. We can disagree on how to define a game's complexity, but I'm sorry, there is nothing even approaching an extremely hard or crunchy efficiency puzzle here. Sure, there are some villains and heroes that require some level of strategy, but it still boils down to very simple and almost obvious choices nearly every time. The original design for sure took some effort to create, although the mechanisms are simple and not remotely unique or innovative. Everything beyond that required vastly less effort and design work...plug and chug. Sure, there are some minor differences in how some villains play (heroes, not so much), but those are very minimal. Just look at the number of "different" characters churned out over what, 2 years? There just isn't much effort that goes into adding piles of plastic and characters, and CMON has never spent any time balancing anything other than original core games.
Wingspan is not a kid's game, and it also doesn't try to fomo people into spending $100s of dollars for a handful of "new" birds every year.
Like what you like, play what you want to play, but the question was "is it worth it". For you and thousands of others, the answer seems to be yes. For me and thousands of others, the answer is an emphatic NO.
@@michaelmueller260 It's light, but deep if you want it to be. The sky is the limit. You can play on harder difficulties + add in more challenges and get games that are tough enough that it will take you many tries to beat before you finally crack it, requiring you to plan future turns for multiple characters to get the combos to win, at which point that victory feels that much sweeter. Or until you're forced to change out characters until you find a more favorable matchup. Either way, there's some depth there to figuring it out.
Obvious choices? We must be playing different games. Try Vulture 4p Heroic with Sentinel and show proof of all of the "obvious choices" that lead to an easy victory.
On top of that, merely switching out the villains gives different loss conditions to make the games feel different from each other. I've felt more variety playing this game than I do some "heavier" games where, despite the added complexity (ie, more rules to keep track of), each game feels actually similar to each other.
But it's a kids game because... of the art style? (That seems subjective, can already tell you don't like the chibi miniatures, which is fine but again, subjective).
It's a kids game because... it's light? So games are kids games if they're light?
It's low effort because... why, exactly? In many ways, designing a sandbox light game that can appeal to many different difficulty levels is more difficult than designing a good complex game, because that's a tough tightrope to walk. "Efficiency" in rules/rules interactions is a challenge, not an example of low effort.
Now granted, in terms of playable characters, there are other games I like that have MUCH more to each individual playable character. The flipside to this is having a much, much bigger roster of playable characters in MU. Personally I prefer fewer, more distinct characters myself, but I see what they were going for here. A single game that can cast a very wide net over the Marvel property, allowing people to almost always have their favorites to play, and in which both popular characters and more obscure deep cut characters can be mixed and matched, has its own appeal.
But your last point is spot on; is it worth it is up to you. Tons of people don't think it is worth it because no single game can be "worth it" to everyone. And for tons of people, it is worth it, because obviously this game has a lot of fans - enough to apparently make a multi-million dollar KS THREE times, despite the third one having mostly more obscure/deep cut characters.
Edit: Also, the game would of course be cheaper if cardboard standees were used instead of miniatures, but that obviously applies to every game.
No it's not 3.0 these heroes and villain are trash tier compared to any of the other kickstarters.
2 if you already own 400 dollars of this game and you STILL want more maybe there's something fundamentally missing where the game doesn't feel complete.
Maybe, but also maybe not.. If you already own tons of a game, but you enjoy it so much that you want more, then it could just be that you really like that game.
Imperial Assault is one of my favorite boardgames of all time, and you can spend a ton of money on it and still not own everything. And yet if FFG picked it back up and started releasing content for the Prequels, I absolutely would be buying more of it.
Tbh i don't care at all for any CMON game. But the flesh is weak when i see marvel united ^_^. I don't get cardboards/or plastic upgrades but all the gameplay expansions. Those minis are lovely. I just hope for a KS in the future that will use all the minis on a mega-campaign story or a completely different game. But once they announce a star wars or any other united title i am out.
Liege as always thank you for the effort ;) and keep it up.
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Really? I think CMON games tend to have a real good fun vs. rules complexity balance. I play them more than most of the stuff I have.
@@rustydowd879 Do you have DMD (Death May Die)?
So the Late Pledge button for the most recent DMD KS is, somehow, still working. And man, I'm genuinely torn here. I own no DMD stuff, so I'm thinking about not getting MU:M and going for DMD instead.
Any minute DMD PM could stop working, since it was supposed to close on the 31st of January.
@@commandershepard9920 , I'm a Lovecraft nerd so I have seasons 1 & 2 of DMD. I was really torn myself. I love the game but my gaming group has an unusal affection for Eldritich Horror by FFG. So whenever I bring up DMD, they want to play Elditch Horror instead. So I passed on the new seasons. I'll probably cave when I see them on ebay.
My only complaint about DMD is that keeping track of the boss monsters can be a little fiddly and it can slow down the game at what are supposed to be the most intense moments of an otherwise fast-playing game. It may get easier if you play a lot regularly. Other than that, it's a fun game with really amazing art that manages to stand out in a very saturated Lovecraftian game market.
@@rustydowd879 Cool, thank you for the based take, including some of the potential flaws or slowdown. Sounds like a lot of fun! Eldritch Horror huh? Will have to give that one a look; I tend to be a huge fan of FFG.