Hi folks, for clarification: this is also compatible with Android phones; after all, it's a Bluetooth x-input controller. The plan is that the removable top attachment is going to be available in a number of sizes to accommodate a variety of phones, including Android phones.
Thing is, this is a razer junglecat for modern smartphones, im just thinking how this will end. Don't get me wrong i hope it made to the stores, but the future proofing is what worries me, since the junglecat was i5S exclusive, the prototype at least.
To be honest this is just a mod for an existing controller, and as a Designer I believe there's a better way to make it slim even using the same controller, this is not "revolutionary" since already exist, is just a mod, it's like take a bike and add a new chain and say it's revolutionary
The children yearn for the Xperia Play. Like it's insane how long it took for this style of controller to come back to us. Like all of the companies out there making mobile controllers and not ONE of them thought about making it like this instead of using a telescopic design?
It bums me out that Razer left the phone market because there was market for another Xperia Play style device. Also just wish Sony would make a PlayStation phone like the Play again.
Just finished watching this video abt 10 times😂 Russ thank you so much for the video! It was absolutely incredible! I’ve been watching forever and it was insane to see that controller I’ve probably spent thousands of hours hand crafting on your desk. I cannot wait for the future of this thing!!!!
My guy you did a great job. If you sell this controller with some more compatibility say for android devices where we can apply an adhesive to attach a back cover for the phone then I'm pretty sure this will sit on top specially for emulation on mobile devices and it also reminds me of the psp go which is very nostalgic.
FR!! I've always wanted a controller like the one he made I always had the idea of useing the 3ds joysticks for a compact controller. Just didn't have the electricronic skills
i have watched the dude's video who created this device. He is really compasionated and committed about this. A true gamer with enthusiasm, we should support him.
@@journeyproud he completely showed the understanding about gamers, it's exactly what i want to say about him. Besides, he's also really passiona for of gaming too.
I never understood why Sony was the only company to have a phone actually *built* like this instead of being an add on. And then no one ever did it again.
Sony owns the patents. This isn’t some groundbreaking new idea here, you just can’t outright copy an idea like this. I’m guessing its patents are directly related to gaming devices, particularly in regards to controller types. Since lots of phones have sliding interfaces.
It seems crazy Sony never bothered with a play 2. With how they're trying to promote streaming from the PS4 and 5 you would think the idea of a playstation phone might come back. It would of been warmer received than the playstation portal I think.
@@chronossage Would have been far more expensive to make than a Portal. The only features Sony leverages in its phones are its camera features. It rarely calls on its gaming or music pedigree and those had their separate spinoff lines of phones that they killed off.
I saw the video from that kid who's making this controller a few months ago. This type of controller has been my dream concept for mobile phones since the Xperia Play. Unfortunately (so far at least) the one shown in the video is strictly exclusive to iPhones. Hopefully in the near future there is a "universal fit" made for Android phones as well.
@Jokerwolf666 That's not the issue. The charger has nothing to do with this controller. The issue is the camera placement. For iPhone, it's kinda easy to make 3 or 4 different backplates to fit in. But on android it's wild how many different approaches there are. Anyway, in is web he said he's looking into it. So there's hope for a universal fit
I thought they were referring to it being a hard connection vs Bluetooth. This would let you have less latency and potentially charge thru with one cord.
This is exactly the comment I was going to make. Not only will it help with the balance but it also gives you a reason to carry the device on days where you dont "think you'll have time" to game, which can give you small moments here and there.
FINALLY this gets more attention! When I saw the video from Josh, I was blown away for the same reason Russ mentioned: It takes a young lad to realize something, all the other companies don't even try. Wishig Josh all the best with his project!
One thing that seems extremely appealing to me is that this design wouldn't block the Headphone jack or charging port on a phone. Basically all telescopic controllers block the headphone jack which has stopped me from buying them.
@@serpserpserp yeah not flagship android phones but a decent amount of the midrange phones have them if you know how to search for them. My moto g stylus (2024) has a headphone jack along with SD card slot and OLED screen.
Wowww, am sold! This is seriously a brilliant idea and definitely will work! I hope and pray for Josh to get the final product through and am definitely gonna get one! Would be great if there could be some color choices and some kind of anti-slip material for gripping comfort at the back, and to take fingerprints issue into consideration. Will def support this, thkq for sharing!
It frustrates me that we got rid of slide phones for this exact reason. When the first line of Galaxy phones came out, each carrier had their own special variant and I had Sprint's because they had the "Epic Slide 4G" that phone made as much of an impact on me in regards to emulation as much as the PSP did... Bring back physical keyboards!
The sidekick and blackberry were always so interesting to me for that reason. I have huge hands and using physical buttons makes me feel like I can be more accurate in my inputs.
@@themodfather9382 For you. Typing on a physical keyboard is simply amazing for accuracy and ergonomics. The only reason they got rid of them is for manufacturing savings but a lot of people are still clamoring for it.
I love that Josh sent you this and that you shared your impressions. I saw his video a few months ago and was blown away by his innovative thinking behind this mobile solution that so many of us would love. Very excited to see where it goes and wish that dude all the luck in the world.
I like the slide-off plate. This could be replaced by any (rubber) phone cover that would have the two rails incorporated. Any cell phone could then be used if the respective cover would be available or if the two rails could be glued to any phone cover.
The formfactor is really cool, but I think the main kicker is the fact that it's more or less specific to a particular handset. If you own that handset then great, but otherwise you're left out. I imagine it's probably why existing companies haven't tried it, because it either severely limits your target audience (on something already pretty niche), or greatly increases your manufacturing costs to produce different variations. The current telescoping ones might be cumbersome by comparison, but are generally one size fits all.
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yeah this idea works better for iphones because they all are physically the same but android users are probably the ones that consume this type of idea more
If the phone mount stays a detachable piece I can see manufacturing only that part in different sizes. Or if it stays one piece a more generic tip mount with a form fitting insert. I could also see it going phone agnostic and being flat with the magnets totally. Two nubs on the bottom corners to help keep it in place and be done.
@@short_yeti2058 If it's flat, phones' camera bezels will collide with it, so I think it needs something adjustable/swappable to accommodate differing bezels. Otherwise you're going to have to add a case to your phone to level it off, which then adds to the weight/thickness of your phone 24/7. As for corner nubs, I'm not 100% sure how you'd mean them to be implemented, but there's a large variety in handset widths too, which means that any corners would need to be adjustable.
If it's completely flat, phone bezels will collide with it, so I think it does need something adjustable/swappable to accomodate different bezels. As for 'two nubs on the bottom corners', I'm not 100% sure what you have in mind, but handsets vary greatly in width so any placement nubs would need to be adjustable too.
Yeah, that’s what I thought as well. Even for iPhones, right now the latest iPhone line, the iPhone 16, has 4 different models going for it, all with different dimensions. Even if they only have to manufacture different top cases, that’s still a lot of variants to consider. And that’s not yet counting the upcoming iPhone SE4 next year. Another thing about telescopic controllers is that, depending on the controller build, it can be made to fit with an iPad as well.
I love the idea. I think pulling the sticks away from center by just a couple cms will make it easier on the thumbs. I will be interested in the final version. Hopefully in a translucent clear plastic.
Gimme this but a clamshell mode for the case, so the screen can totally cover up the buttons. And also a mechanism where when the clamshell is open the phone can do a 180 and close again, leaving the phone screen-out so you can use it without opening the case. perfection
I'm super interested in this. I've been following his journey for a minute, I'm so glad that he linked up with you. So dang proud of Josh!! I can't wait for it to drop. Def day one purchase!!
Saw the initial video for this a while back and thought it was an awesome idea. I hadn’t followed up but it’s cool to see the project keep moving forward. Really interested in this
13:45 can I suggest to put a second battery on the other side of the controller? To add more autonomy and more important to balance the weight of the controller
yup exactly, it's too thick to have that on your phone but if it's getting thinner it'll be uncomfortable, if i have to bring that thick controller around, i would probably just bring a proper controller
Definitely can be optimized, but hopefully the final version is released with a heavy weight material that is heavier than the phone. He talks about in this video, but a top heavy device will make for a fatiguing experience.
been waiting for soooo long for someone to make a PSP Go type emulator that is small and slides out the controls from under the screen. This totally fills that same feeling and I love it! Cant wait to see it get even better over time and looking forward to the kickstarter!
Love minimal travel setups so adore this and will buy one once available. Also use Viture IR glasses and can see them working fine here with the USB-C of the phone being unobstructed. I could totally picture a sleek matching color titanium model for people to use on their iPhone Pro's (case-less) so this becomes a partial case instead and so dramatically slims down the overall (phone + controller) for pocketing.
Yesssss!!! Give M-Con as much spotlight as possible. Been following the M-Con project since his first video over it dropped. I hope they get a polished product offering and keep moving forward -- I'm ready to drop money on it for sure.
Suggestions: -Slim stacked shoulder buttons -Finger rubber grips on the back -Magnets slides from the back (between the shoulders buttons) and has a hinge with snap tilting
i think what needs to be focused on the design is that it should be pocketable, ergonomic, and better if it has a powerbank as thats what makes it better for travel. the design is not that bad as i have an 8bitdo sne30 pro with a clip and i find it harder to hold. with a powerbank it will balance the weight and would be better if it has a retractable clip rather a sliding feature. Something similar to the old samsung gamepad controller's retractable clip but with rectangular design with grip and with a powerbank build in
Dude I swear your intro song rips me through time back to being a kid, sitting on the couch after everybody went to bed and sitting up late to watch Xplay and catch up on the latest video game trends. What a ride.
I'm hoping the final product is thinner. That's what's going to make this device desirable or not. I've been watching this for a couple months and I'm definitely excited for the Kickstarter to launch and we get a look at the final product.
great in theory, but in practice any thinner may further limit/compromise the joysticks (like the Retroid Pocket flip) and make it harder to grip. i'm not saying i don't agree just that i don't know how feasable it is, Russ already noted its top heavy which will only become more of an issue the thinner/lighter/harder to grip it is.
@@K0M1N0 yeah, you could be right. The thickness it's at now may be with the final product is. It seems a little bulky, but it doesn't mean I'm not interested in it. I think this would be a cool accessory to have especially since it's swappable to different phones. The guy was on Reddit yesterday and he said in a comment that he plans on having interchangeable connection plates so you could buy different backs if you get a different phone but use the same controller.
@@K0M1N0 Xperia Play and PSP Go could be used as references. The Go is 17mm thick when it is closed, so that should make the buttons area around 10mm or so thick. The thumbsticks might be a problem though. They don't look as low profile as the nub that was used on the PSP
My main concern as a PSVita owner who finds this controller interesting, is that I hope that if they stick to Vita sticks, that they use the Vita 1000's hall effect sticks instead of the 2000's. The 1000's sticks are less likely to have drift.
@@NetflixForeign It was mostly to cut manufacturing costs, especially when it wasn't selling well enough. I think the dumber move was ditching the hall effect sticks as they aren't even any more expensive than potentiometer sticks. Though I heard the latter are easier to replace than the former, at least when it comes to the Vita.
@@NetflixForeign I said "less likely" but it's not fullproof. Nowadays I see posts on Vita subreddits about 1000 models getting drift too; these devices are just so old now that hardware failure is just bound to happen in a matter of time anyway. Ideally, they get the Retroid/Ayn sticks and manage to fit them here instead, like Russ suggested. The Vita's sticks are ass anyway lol
I wanted something like this for years. I think many people did. It's crazy nobody made it up until this point. Props to Josh and good luck with the kickstarter.
This controller actually looks pretty cool. Smart design and very compact. I wonder if swapping the thumbsticks and face buttons over might feel a little better, like having the thumbsticks be at the top right and left.
like 3 days ago was thinking "why companies dont make phone controllers smaller, so you could carry them in vacations?" was thinking more of something like the x1 mini has, that could be attached to right and left of the phone, and when not used to be joined... nice job 20 year old kid :D
The biggest attraction for me is the fact that it looks like powerbank, so its not pretentious to look at Definitely way cooler than bringing controller, Cant wait to get one myself!
I think the creator announcing it this far from launch is a mistake. There is a good chance another company will use his idea before his even releases.
@@IAmTheGlovenor On a surface level yes, but Josh turned that idea into a viable modern product. He essentially did all the R&D for any potential copycats. Now all they have to do is reverse engineer his design and 3D print it.
be carefull, sony might sue for copyright infringement, cos that'd look a hell of a lot like the PSP Go, plus M-con, that name's just yelling, *sue me nintendo*
I can't wait to watch this when I get home. I tried to make a prototype of something like this, but my giant phone was too heavy. It makes so much more sense for a small phone like that!
You have hopefully heard this before, but your intro song just is so brilliant. Instant retro feel-good vibes, super recognizable. Much love to Our Ghosts, he nailed it.
Hey Russ, that is cool and i want one. I shall definitely be getting this when it’s available. I imagine some big company is going to partner with him on this. I would. Can’t wait to see the final build.
I'd just say please try to focus also on the motion range of the analog sticks and implementing L3 and R3 as press able buttons for the analog sticks. That would be the absolute game changer!! Im saying tuned for more!
Magnetic attachment is really cool. I love the slider form factor. Reminds me of my old "Droid" slider phone. Definitely see me using the magnet controller more than a clip one. I could see it being a cool "2nd pocket" device, like my Miyuu Mini is currently, replacing the device I already put in my 2nd pocket with my phone being more powerful than my compact handhelds.
What I like the most about this project is that with my other controllers I have to constantly remove the phone's case. Hopefully he sells matching cases so I can have it connected all the time
Awesome stuff! I saw the developer's original video a couple of months back and was honestly impressed. The one thing is that I don't really get the point of the sliding feature...it adds clearance issues and thickness with no real benefits because the point of using magsafe is easy detachment and stowaway. I think a slim version that isn't limited in comfort by a sliding mechanism might be better.
I have seen josh making this controller and this idea is crazy i mean this will blow up the industry if come to the market at cheap price than other controllers, surely one of the best creations 🔥
One thing that I think deserves some praise is the ergonomics; More specifically, how the buttons and sticks are laid out on the controller relative to each other. Each stick is placed diagonally down from the respective D-Pad and Face Buttons, and is even contained within the same shallow indent that said D-Pad and Face Buttons are. I know this might not *seem* like a big deal at first, but to me it’ll make a huge difference, cuz it’ll make reaching all of the controls easier and more intuitive. Other controllers (but especially those that emulate the Switch Joycon style of controllers) like to place all of their controls directly above one another, which (on top of making unwanted inputs more likely to occur) makes actually reaching those controls with your thumb more difficult, and may lead to cramped hands.
I've been excited about this since it was teased by the developer a few months back. It's easily the coolest phone controller I've ever seen and I would buy one immediately if it were available now. I'm looking forward to the final product. Thanks for covering it!
Finally someone made a controller like this. I have been wondering for quite some time why such controller is not in the market. Kudos to the creator and yeah 20 yo doing it is amazing. All the best to bringing it to the market next year
A better idea would be to have 2 separate products: the controller and a phone case that slides into the controller. In this way I can keep the controller forever and just buy a new case when I change my phone. It's also gonna be slimmer. Also, they can streamline the building process, having just a controller to build, not 20000 different models.
This is beautiful. I’ve wanted a slide out controller case for a while, but I would NEVER have thought to use MagSafe/Attach, that’s genius! I can keep my regular case on
The potential for this to open up gaming to a wider audience as well as making it more comfortable, tactile and functional for people already using phones is absolutely huge. Very curious to see how it will be priced.. because I want to get 5, just to give to people.
Brilliant idea and stunning features. This might be something many of us wanted to see for a long time, or even a better version of our dreams, haha. Fingers crossed!
I watched Josh's first video about this controller, and I've been excited about it ever since! His passion is so obvious, and it'll definitely translate to a great project.
i forgot how i found their ad for the product, but i subscribed for email updates from them like a month ago. i truly believe it has lots of potential, its so genius
the original prototype of the Razer Junglecat was like this too. It was a one piece device that acted as a case and controller. I think the reason it got chaned for the version we actually in thr end was due to it only being compatible with that specific iPhone one the case was made. Although the version we got in the end did also run into a similar issue it has a similar issue the 3D printers have mitigated that somewhat. The one ffom the video being magsafe feels like a much elegant solution to the problem as long as the case used is fairly flat on the back.
Last year TH-cam promotes the TH-camr who made this product, a very talented young guy. I'm glad there are more ppl see his products. Best of luck to his business.
Hi folks, for clarification: this is also compatible with Android phones; after all, it's a Bluetooth x-input controller. The plan is that the removable top attachment is going to be available in a number of sizes to accommodate a variety of phones, including Android phones.
Since the controller Bluetooth, I suggest putting in a headphone jack.
Thing is, this is a razer junglecat for modern smartphones, im just thinking how this will end. Don't get me wrong i hope it made to the stores, but the future proofing is what worries me, since the junglecat was i5S exclusive, the prototype at least.
I found this kids video, he's a badass. I think it's the best idea for sure
@@earendurvoneinzbern7585 absolutely... A nice quality of life add on. I wouldn't mind seeing a tab button or an escape as a physical edge key
To be honest this is just a mod for an existing controller, and as a Designer I believe there's a better way to make it slim even using the same controller, this is not "revolutionary" since already exist, is just a mod, it's like take a bike and add a new chain and say it's revolutionary
The children yearn for the Xperia Play.
Like it's insane how long it took for this style of controller to come back to us. Like all of the companies out there making mobile controllers and not ONE of them thought about making it like this instead of using a telescopic design?
I had an Xperia Play for about 5 years and I loved that thing, for emulation and for all the official Sony PS1 games that were on their store.
GPD Win 4 and Ayaneo slide basically but we could use one that has a modern-ish ARM chip
I really wish Sony would make an Xperia play 2. Still have my original one
@@ccricersGPD and AyaNeo's stuff is insanely expensive. I don't disagree with you though.
It bums me out that Razer left the phone market because there was market for another Xperia Play style device. Also just wish Sony would make a PlayStation phone like the Play again.
Just finished watching this video abt 10 times😂 Russ thank you so much for the video! It was absolutely incredible! I’ve been watching forever and it was insane to see that controller I’ve probably spent thousands of hours hand crafting on your desk. I cannot wait for the future of this thing!!!!
Absolutely peak, thank you really, for creating such a brilliant piece of hardware 😭
Looking forward to this! I'm the same age and it's very cool to see that you're working on this. You've got a new subscriber.
for the first time ever i might actually play games on a phone thanks to this. cant wait for the finished product
My guy you did a great job. If you sell this controller with some more compatibility say for android devices where we can apply an adhesive to attach a back cover for the phone then I'm pretty sure this will sit on top specially for emulation on mobile devices and it also reminds me of the psp go which is very nostalgic.
I typically don't care for gaming on my phone, but if this thing drops I'm definitely picking one up!
Glad Josh is finally getting recognized for this brilliant idea
I know bro! I watched his video about it like a month ago
Thanks to Russ Brother.
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he took a switch controller from Amazon and swapped the housing 😂😂😂 brilliant way to get sued 😂😂😂
FR!! I've always wanted a controller like the one he made I always had the idea of useing the 3ds joysticks for a compact controller. Just didn't have the electricronic skills
I've been following his progress for a long time and I'm happy to see Russ getting a video out about it!
i have watched the dude's video who created this device. He is really compasionated and committed about this. A true gamer with enthusiasm, we should support him.
To be compassionate is to show understanding and kindness to others. I believe you mean passion.
@@journeyproudhe does seem pretty kind too
@@journeyproud he completely showed the understanding about gamers, it's exactly what i want to say about him. Besides, he's also really passiona for of gaming too.
Yes I watch the original video of the guy who made it wen I saw this just had to watch
I never understood why Sony was the only company to have a phone actually *built* like this instead of being an add on. And then no one ever did it again.
Sony owns the patents. This isn’t some groundbreaking new idea here, you just can’t outright copy an idea like this. I’m guessing its patents are directly related to gaming devices, particularly in regards to controller types. Since lots of phones have sliding interfaces.
@@BramstukerScott-mb8kv was about to say the same thing 😂
It seems crazy Sony never bothered with a play 2. With how they're trying to promote streaming from the PS4 and 5 you would think the idea of a playstation phone might come back. It would of been warmer received than the playstation portal I think.
@@chronossage Would have been far more expensive to make than a Portal. The only features Sony leverages in its phones are its camera features. It rarely calls on its gaming or music pedigree and those had their separate spinoff lines of phones that they killed off.
Yeah, I can remember waiting around for them to make another one so I didn't have to buy an Xperia with old hardware.
Punk rock band -> Military -> TH-cam Retrogaming
What a life path! 😄
And I think he wrote some cook books...
I didn't know about the band, nice
How do you know he was in the military
@@omegamanGXE He says it in the travel videos
If he served the globalist army then he was never punk, he was probably emocore or something.
I saw the video from that kid who's making this controller a few months ago. This type of controller has been my dream concept for mobile phones since the Xperia Play. Unfortunately (so far at least) the one shown in the video is strictly exclusive to iPhones. Hopefully in the near future there is a "universal fit" made for Android phones as well.
Now that iPhone uses usb-c it's a definite possibility.
@Jokerwolf666 That's not the issue. The charger has nothing to do with this controller. The issue is the camera placement. For iPhone, it's kinda easy to make 3 or 4 different backplates to fit in. But on android it's wild how many different approaches there are. Anyway, in is web he said he's looking into it. So there's hope for a universal fit
I thought they were referring to it being a hard connection vs Bluetooth. This would let you have less latency and potentially charge thru with one cord.
It's based on magsafe, you can just use aby magsafe case or magnet to attach an android phone.
It's quite universal, all u need magsafe case
Putting batteries in the controller and having it also be a wireless powerbank would help with the top-heaviness
This is exactly the comment I was going to make. Not only will it help with the balance but it also gives you a reason to carry the device on days where you dont "think you'll have time" to game, which can give you small moments here and there.
I saw the guy who made it's video. A really cool design, and a lot of work went into it. Cool to see a bigger channel checking it out
FINALLY this gets more attention! When I saw the video from Josh, I was blown away for the same reason Russ mentioned: It takes a young lad to realize something, all the other companies don't even try. Wishig Josh all the best with his project!
Be careful about showing that Mario star in your video, Nintendo might have a hissy fit.
What do you mean by that copy right ?
Thanks for bringing it up, now they know easier and can just watch waiting for that spot. Genius!
@@urielr6285 You really think they didn't know about that already?
@@urielr6285 Do you think Nintendo reads the comments instead of watching the video themselves?
How about that NES-001 over his other shoulder?
One thing that seems extremely appealing to me is that this design wouldn't block the Headphone jack or charging port on a phone. Basically all telescopic controllers block the headphone jack which has stopped me from buying them.
I didn't even know that new phones came with a headphone jack anymore!
@@serpserpserp yeah not flagship android phones but a decent amount of the midrange phones have them if you know how to search for them. My moto g stylus (2024) has a headphone jack along with SD card slot and OLED screen.
The GameSir G8 has a 3.5 jack that works off the USB C port. Imo that's a better implementation.
your phones still g et a headphone jack?? DAMN
@@robman789 new 2024 model too
I'm going to be on the lookout for this. That is ingenious and RGC you always find the coolest stuff.
Wowww, am sold! This is seriously a brilliant idea and definitely will work! I hope and pray for Josh to get the final product through and am definitely gonna get one! Would be great if there could be some color choices and some kind of anti-slip material for gripping comfort at the back, and to take fingerprints issue into consideration. Will def support this, thkq for sharing!
It frustrates me that we got rid of slide phones for this exact reason. When the first line of Galaxy phones came out, each carrier had their own special variant and I had Sprint's because they had the "Epic Slide 4G" that phone made as much of an impact on me in regards to emulation as much as the PSP did... Bring back physical keyboards!
The sidekick and blackberry were always so interesting to me for that reason.
I have huge hands and using physical buttons makes me feel like I can be more accurate in my inputs.
Yep. I miss sliding phones so much.
Physical keyboards will never happen. Utterly pointless.
@@themodfather9382 For you. Typing on a physical keyboard is simply amazing for accuracy and ergonomics. The only reason they got rid of them is for manufacturing savings but a lot of people are still clamoring for it.
@@themodfather9382 It turns your dumb phone into a mini laptop. It's awesome.
OMG, the Sony Ericsson Xperia Play PTSD just kicked in…
I'm in!
I love that Josh sent you this and that you shared your impressions. I saw his video a few months ago and was blown away by his innovative thinking behind this mobile solution that so many of us would love. Very excited to see where it goes and wish that dude all the luck in the world.
I like the slide-off plate. This could be replaced by any (rubber) phone cover that would have the two rails incorporated. Any cell phone could then be used if the respective cover would be available or if the two rails could be glued to any phone cover.
Belle and Sebastian t-shirt? Lovely! Nice to know that you're a fan, Russ!
So glad to see M-Con getting this publicity! Thanks for giving Josh a bump, Russ!
The formfactor is really cool, but I think the main kicker is the fact that it's more or less specific to a particular handset. If you own that handset then great, but otherwise you're left out.
I imagine it's probably why existing companies haven't tried it, because it either severely limits your target audience (on something already pretty niche), or greatly increases your manufacturing costs to produce different variations. The current telescoping ones might be cumbersome by comparison, but are generally one size fits all.
yeah this idea works better for iphones because they all are physically the same but android users are probably the ones that consume this type of idea more
If the phone mount stays a detachable piece I can see manufacturing only that part in different sizes.
Or if it stays one piece a more generic tip mount with a form fitting insert.
I could also see it going phone agnostic and being flat with the magnets totally. Two nubs on the bottom corners to help keep it in place and be done.
@@short_yeti2058 If it's flat, phones' camera bezels will collide with it, so I think it needs something adjustable/swappable to accommodate differing bezels. Otherwise you're going to have to add a case to your phone to level it off, which then adds to the weight/thickness of your phone 24/7.
As for corner nubs, I'm not 100% sure how you'd mean them to be implemented, but there's a large variety in handset widths too, which means that any corners would need to be adjustable.
If it's completely flat, phone bezels will collide with it, so I think it does need something adjustable/swappable to accomodate different bezels.
As for 'two nubs on the bottom corners', I'm not 100% sure what you have in mind, but handsets vary greatly in width so any placement nubs would need to be adjustable too.
Yeah, that’s what I thought as well. Even for iPhones, right now the latest iPhone line, the iPhone 16, has 4 different models going for it, all with different dimensions. Even if they only have to manufacture different top cases, that’s still a lot of variants to consider. And that’s not yet counting the upcoming iPhone SE4 next year.
Another thing about telescopic controllers is that, depending on the controller build, it can be made to fit with an iPad as well.
I love the idea. I think pulling the sticks away from center by just a couple cms will make it easier on the thumbs. I will be interested in the final version. Hopefully in a translucent clear plastic.
You can't move the sticks, most certainly not by a few centimetres, you'd have to completely redesign it and it would be very uncomfortable to use
Gimme this but a clamshell mode for the case, so the screen can totally cover up the buttons. And also a mechanism where when the clamshell is open the phone can do a 180 and close again, leaving the phone screen-out so you can use it without opening the case. perfection
I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone else to try this after the Xperia Play and PSP Go.
Awesome concept and its great to see some recognition for this project from the GOAT of handheld gaming
6:10 sold me
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I'm super interested in this. I've been following his journey for a minute, I'm so glad that he linked up with you. So dang proud of Josh!! I can't wait for it to drop. Def day one purchase!!
Saw the initial video for this a while back and thought it was an awesome idea. I hadn’t followed up but it’s cool to see the project keep moving forward. Really interested in this
RETRO GAME CORPS I AM SO GLAD YOU REVIEWED THIS I DIDNT EVEN EXPECT IT
13:45 can I suggest to put a second battery on the other side of the controller? To add more autonomy and more important to balance the weight of the controller
Yes it's thicc, but it's an early prototype so it can probably be optimized further. Amazing project and I wish all the best for this guy!
I don't know how further can you go in that aspect, because a really thin controller it's very uncomfortable. Maybe that's the best it can be.
yup exactly, it's too thick to have that on your phone but if it's getting thinner it'll be uncomfortable, if i have to bring that thick controller around, i would probably just bring a proper controller
or just the compact switch like phone controller
Definitely can be optimized, but hopefully the final version is released with a heavy weight material that is heavier than the phone. He talks about in this video, but a top heavy device will make for a fatiguing experience.
been waiting for soooo long for someone to make a PSP Go type emulator that is small and slides out the controls from under the screen. This totally fills that same feeling and I love it! Cant wait to see it get even better over time and looking forward to the kickstarter!
Love minimal travel setups so adore this and will buy one once available. Also use Viture IR glasses and can see them working fine here with the USB-C of the phone being unobstructed. I could totally picture a sleek matching color titanium model for people to use on their iPhone Pro's (case-less) so this becomes a partial case instead and so dramatically slims down the overall (phone + controller) for pocketing.
The kickstand is actually really cool!
Yesssss!!! Give M-Con as much spotlight as possible. Been following the M-Con project since his first video over it dropped. I hope they get a polished product offering and keep moving forward -- I'm ready to drop money on it for sure.
1:30 Hey! Playing in punk rock bands is pretty awesome!
9:05 Not Russ casually saying he's 40+ knowing he doesn't look a day over 25 😅
I'm seriously shocked, apparently he's 44
Excited to see this come to market!!
All this need is a way for us to connect our cooler at the back. I can see that there's some space on its back. Hope to see it in the future.
Suggestions:
-Slim stacked shoulder buttons
-Finger rubber grips on the back
-Magnets slides from the back (between the shoulders buttons) and has a hinge with snap tilting
i think what needs to be focused on the design is that it should be pocketable, ergonomic, and better if it has a powerbank as thats what makes it better for travel. the design is not that bad as i have an 8bitdo sne30 pro with a clip and i find it harder to hold. with a powerbank it will balance the weight and would be better if it has a retractable clip rather a sliding feature. Something similar to the old samsung gamepad controller's retractable clip but with rectangular design with grip and with a powerbank build in
You're over 40?? Damn, does reviewing retro devices stop the aging process?
yea i swear a year or two ago i thought he was like 30 max. maaaaybe early 30s if we pushing it.
Russ looks young as hell for is age lol
Dude I swear your intro song rips me through time back to being a kid, sitting on the couch after everybody went to bed and sitting up late to watch Xplay and catch up on the latest video game trends. What a ride.
I remember seeing this a wile ago and wondered what happened. Cool to hear they are still goin at it.
I'm hoping the final product is thinner. That's what's going to make this device desirable or not.
I've been watching this for a couple months and I'm definitely excited for the Kickstarter to launch and we get a look at the final product.
great in theory, but in practice any thinner may further limit/compromise the joysticks (like the Retroid Pocket flip) and make it harder to grip. i'm not saying i don't agree just that i don't know how feasable it is, Russ already noted its top heavy which will only become more of an issue the thinner/lighter/harder to grip it is.
@@K0M1N0that and it may mess up the weight distribution and make a good grip near-impossible.
just dont make it thinner than the phone itself otherwise it wouldn't be comfortable
@@K0M1N0 yeah, you could be right. The thickness it's at now may be with the final product is. It seems a little bulky, but it doesn't mean I'm not interested in it. I think this would be a cool accessory to have especially since it's swappable to different phones.
The guy was on Reddit yesterday and he said in a comment that he plans on having interchangeable connection plates so you could buy different backs if you get a different phone but use the same controller.
@@K0M1N0 Xperia Play and PSP Go could be used as references. The Go is 17mm thick when it is closed, so that should make the buttons area around 10mm or so thick. The thumbsticks might be a problem though. They don't look as low profile as the nub that was used on the PSP
My main concern as a PSVita owner who finds this controller interesting, is that I hope that if they stick to Vita sticks, that they use the Vita 1000's hall effect sticks instead of the 2000's.
The 1000's sticks are less likely to have drift.
Wow just one more thing that was better on the original Vita versus the successor. So dumb Sony ditched the OLED.
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@@NetflixForeign It was mostly to cut manufacturing costs, especially when it wasn't selling well enough. I think the dumber move was ditching the hall effect sticks as they aren't even any more expensive than potentiometer sticks. Though I heard the latter are easier to replace than the former, at least when it comes to the Vita.
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@@NetflixForeign I said "less likely" but it's not fullproof. Nowadays I see posts on Vita subreddits about 1000 models getting drift too; these devices are just so old now that hardware failure is just bound to happen in a matter of time anyway.
Ideally, they get the Retroid/Ayn sticks and manage to fit them here instead, like Russ suggested. The Vita's sticks are ass anyway lol
I wanted something like this for years. I think many people did. It's crazy nobody made it up until this point. Props to Josh and good luck with the kickstarter.
Great controller excited to see all the future iterations- congrats to the inventor
This controller actually looks pretty cool. Smart design and very compact. I wonder if swapping the thumbsticks and face buttons over might feel a little better, like having the thumbsticks be at the top right and left.
This is the exact format I have been waiting for! God I hope they nail it in the final version
like 3 days ago was thinking "why companies dont make phone controllers smaller, so you could carry them in vacations?" was thinking more of something like the x1 mini has, that could be attached to right and left of the phone, and when not used to be joined... nice job 20 year old kid :D
Thats the razer junglecat
@@bulletpunch9317 thats still to big
@@b4g4b3l i mean sure, if you want one where you just hold it with your thumbs then junglecat is too big.
The biggest attraction for me is the fact that it looks like powerbank, so its not pretentious to look at
Definitely way cooler than bringing controller,
Cant wait to get one myself!
Been waiting for this video since Eternal Progression released his video 😎 can’t wait for the kickstarter!
I had this idea since I was in high school, so cool to see someone implement it
I think the creator announcing it this far from launch is a mistake. There is a good chance another company will use his idea before his even releases.
I mean, it's already taking Sony's general idea
@@IAmTheGlovenor On a surface level yes, but Josh turned that idea into a viable modern product. He essentially did all the R&D for any potential copycats. Now all they have to do is reverse engineer his design and 3D print it.
There were other cases like this, there's a ton of 3d models available online.
Yeah but he patented it i guess, better thing for him would be to get in partnership with companies with expertise in field
@@Mr-Gamer-W china don't respect no patents, neither do I to be fair
Damn. It's like a PSP Go done right!
be carefull, sony might sue for copyright infringement, cos that'd look a hell of a lot like the PSP Go, plus M-con, that name's just yelling, *sue me nintendo*
I can't wait to watch this when I get home. I tried to make a prototype of something like this, but my giant phone was too heavy. It makes so much more sense for a small phone like that!
Watched his video a few days back; incredible job!
What a great device, I think I'm ready to give money honestly, well done Josh!
You have hopefully heard this before, but your intro song just is so brilliant. Instant retro feel-good vibes, super recognizable. Much love to Our Ghosts, he nailed it.
Hey Russ, that is cool and i want one. I shall definitely be getting this when it’s available. I imagine some big company is going to partner with him on this. I would. Can’t wait to see the final build.
I'd just say please try to focus also on the motion range of the analog sticks and implementing L3 and R3 as press able buttons for the analog sticks. That would be the absolute game changer!! Im saying tuned for more!
Ohhh I saw the initial videos for this when they first announced it and a really cool idea!
Magnetic attachment is really cool. I love the slider form factor. Reminds me of my old "Droid" slider phone. Definitely see me using the magnet controller more than a clip one. I could see it being a cool "2nd pocket" device, like my Miyuu Mini is currently, replacing the device I already put in my 2nd pocket with my phone being more powerful than my compact handhelds.
The hall sliders from the rp flip will help keep the controller slim.
What I like the most about this project is that with my other controllers I have to constantly remove the phone's case. Hopefully he sells matching cases so I can have it connected all the time
im so glad this is getting wider exposure, the dudes video around the controller is brilliant
I can’t wait to support Josh what a smart kid and I’m really looking forward to playing games with this thing🤘😎
I saw Josh's video a while ago. So glad you showcased the product. He deserves this attention. Brilliant idea.
Awesome stuff! I saw the developer's original video a couple of months back and was honestly impressed. The one thing is that I don't really get the point of the sliding feature...it adds clearance issues and thickness with no real benefits because the point of using magsafe is easy detachment and stowaway. I think a slim version that isn't limited in comfort by a sliding mechanism might be better.
I have seen josh making this controller and this idea is crazy i mean this will blow up the industry if come to the market at cheap price than other controllers, surely one of the best creations 🔥
Pretty cool. Gonna follow Josh.
One thing that I think deserves some praise is the ergonomics; More specifically, how the buttons and sticks are laid out on the controller relative to each other.
Each stick is placed diagonally down from the respective D-Pad and Face Buttons, and is even contained within the same shallow indent that said D-Pad and Face Buttons are.
I know this might not *seem* like a big deal at first, but to me it’ll make a huge difference, cuz it’ll make reaching all of the controls easier and more intuitive.
Other controllers (but especially those that emulate the Switch Joycon style of controllers) like to place all of their controls directly above one another, which (on top of making unwanted inputs more likely to occur) makes actually reaching those controls with your thumb more difficult, and may lead to cramped hands.
I've been excited about this since it was teased by the developer a few months back. It's easily the coolest phone controller I've ever seen and I would buy one immediately if it were available now. I'm looking forward to the final product. Thanks for covering it!
it would have been even better if the phone bit sorta slid like Nokia's N97, which slides up a little tilted
Finally someone made a controller like this. I have been wondering for quite some time why such controller is not in the market. Kudos to the creator and yeah 20 yo doing it is amazing. All the best to bringing it to the market next year
this is so perfect. Good on Josh, can't wait to see/get the final product :)
My dude out here wearing a Belle and Sebastian shirt? Respect
A better idea would be to have 2 separate products: the controller and a phone case that slides into the controller. In this way I can keep the controller forever and just buy a new case when I change my phone. It's also gonna be slimmer.
Also, they can streamline the building process, having just a controller to build, not 20000 different models.
It's amazing what members of the community can do.
This is beautiful. I’ve wanted a slide out controller case for a while, but I would NEVER have thought to use MagSafe/Attach, that’s genius! I can keep my regular case on
The potential for this to open up gaming to a wider audience as well as making it more comfortable, tactile and functional for people already using phones is absolutely huge.
Very curious to see how it will be priced.. because I want to get 5, just to give to people.
Thanks for showing this off. Phone gaming needed a disruption in controls.
Brilliant idea and stunning features. This might be something many of us wanted to see for a long time, or even a better version of our dreams, haha. Fingers crossed!
This is the format i want something like the steam deck or a switch lite to be in,
PSP Go / Xperia Play was so ahead of its time
I've been looking forward to the launch ever since I saw the creator's video showing it.
I watched Josh's first video about this controller, and I've been excited about it ever since! His passion is so obvious, and it'll definitely translate to a great project.
I dont game on my phone but this is a genius idea and super cool that such a young creator and small team is making this
This is so sick!
Finally. This guy is getting his freak on. Looking forward to this controller.
i forgot how i found their ad for the product, but i subscribed for email updates from them like a month ago. i truly believe it has lots of potential, its so genius
I was sold with just the thumbnail. hope the project gets the support it deserves
I ABSOLUTLY LOST IT WHEN YOU PULLED IT APART AND KICKED THE STAND OUT.
My goodness that is so cool and versatile!
the original prototype of the Razer Junglecat was like this too. It was a one piece device that acted as a case and controller. I think the reason it got chaned for the version we actually in thr end was due to it only being compatible with that specific iPhone one the case was made.
Although the version we got in the end did also run into a similar issue it has a similar issue the 3D printers have mitigated that somewhat.
The one ffom the video being magsafe feels like a much elegant solution to the problem as long as the case used is fairly flat on the back.
I have been following it since he dropped the build video, glad he reached out to you to review it!
sticking on with a magnet to the back of your phone case is very clever, and is the exact thing I'd want for mobile gaming.
This is a very impressive controller. Much success to Josh and his team and I hope this makes it into production very soon
@Retro Game Corps please tell this kid to patent this idea while he still can. This is pretty awesome.
Yes, he submitted a patent early this year
can't patent it as it looks the same as the PSP go, and sony won't allow it.
@@Yusei255 I'm not aware of anyone else using the magnets and that flip up style for a controller. Not going by looks alone.
Last year TH-cam promotes the TH-camr who made this product, a very talented young guy. I'm glad there are more ppl see his products. Best of luck to his business.