Double Palomar (twice through eye and twice through the overhand) is the way to go. If I use a swivel to leader for the purpose of having an option to clip on a teaser, that's what I tie.
Have to agree with big blue. Tie what u tie best. I'll keep tying the Palomar because it's just such an easy knot to tie. Your drag will always be less than the breaking strength of the line. Really appreciate all the time you put into these vids. Keep it up!
I’m in the UK, we call your uni knot a Grinner knot. Both Grinner and Palomar excellent non-slip knots, personally I prefer a double Palomar (twice through the eye, twice wrap through the loop) I’ve landed 122lbs Catfish on 65lb braid using the double Palomar, it’s my knot of choice I must admit.
Here is Australia fishing for pelagic especially GT off the rocks. I use Uni knot with Full Locked Drag/ High Drag cause they love to went straight down into the rocks and reef to cut me off. Uni Knot never fail on me🤙
for myself, depending on what and how I'm fishing, I will tie different knots, its situational for me. I like both of these knots for sure though and use them regularly.
Cool info!! I use a Palomar almost all the time since a uni knot slips when using braid. I'm gonna try this improved uni the next time I'm fishing. Thanks!
The Palomar is stronger. Tie the uni to a swivel and the Palomar to the other end. Pull and you'll see the uni will break every single time. His hand turned the wheel slightly after the uni knot broke giving false results. So keep using your Palomar knot cause it's the stronger knot.
R.R.N. EliteNugz Palomar knot might be stronger, but I don’t think his hand turning afterwards changes the number because the machine stops registering once there’s no more pressure on it.
@@takeadeepbreath6053 yea I think you're right. Don't know why the machine is showing the Palomar with a lower break strength though. There's got to be something to it like the line that he used to tie it had a nick of something because if you test the knots against each other like I explained the Palomar will win a hundred times out of a hundred.
@@takeadeepbreath6053 I think I just realized exactly why the Palomar broke. If the two layers of line cross each other the knot will be weak. Its extremely important to tie the Palomar straight when using flourocarbon and even on braid and mono I'm sure it makes a huge difference. Watch a video on how to tie the Palomar with flourocarbon if you don't know what I mean by the two layers of line crossing each other. When you look up close the two lines should be side by side and not one going over the other. That's most likely what happened.
I want to know the knot on the bottom knot you were using on the bottom swivel that one held thru all the tests and i didn't see you wet the knots before starting to pull the line I have seen tests before with using the 2 knots that you used and the out come is that the polymer knot was stronger but the knots were wet before tightening
When I m fishing smaller grade yellows and tuna during hot bite I use Palomar. And for bigger fish and I have more time where seconds don't matter I use uni. I always thought it was stronger. Great video!
2:50 "Hopefully the final test, as long as it still is better than the other two, from the Palomar." HAHAHA, Nothing like testing until you get the results you want. LOL.
At 1:20, did the Palomar knot fail or the line break? I just see 10# line in your hand, with the knot intact on the swivel. I still love the Palomar for simplicity and speed for attaching braid to a swivel. How about a test of your modified Uniknot vs. the Trilene knot? They appear very similar. Both go thru the hook eye twice but the Uni has the tag end facing up.
The Trilene knot is designed for monofilament. It doubles pretty well for fluorocarbon, but the gel spun modern braids? Gonna slip out before ya max out.
Can you make a test for the best knot for flouro to snap? Ive been using clingh knot for my UL setup, and it always slip/break, id already give the the excess line but still manage to slip/break
So does he tie the modified uni knot onto one side of the swivel connected to braided then the other side of the swivel another monified uni knott to the monofilament? Or should the mono be a regular uni knot?
Really appreciate your Salt Strong modified knot videos. Can you please compare your Salt Strong modified Palomar knot vs the Salt Strong modified Uni Knot?
Great video.. Watching from Nepal.. Your knot wars article put me on to the orvis knot and it had my become my go to. For golden mahseer plug fishing. Would love to see a uni vs orvis leader knot test. Keep up the good work.
Nice test. Of course the more samples you collect the more accurate your data/results will be. However your 2 time test will be enough for me at this point. I've tied the improved clinch for 50 years of fishing & have just recently have been tying the uni for hooks & line to line knots. So far I like the uni the best & your test here seems to bear that out. Cool video, keep it up.
@@KavenLeandro I'd like to see it with the Palomar against Palomar three times since Luke has a bias towards the improved uni knot. Also, with a range of line weights from 4 lbs to at least 30 lbs.
That test is flawed and wrong. If you tie a uni knot to one end and the Palomar knot to the other the uni will break first every single time. That's a true test. Your hand kept turning the wheel just a bit after the uni knot broke giving false results. Why lie to fisherman. Everyone knowledgeable knows the Palomar is stronger. Its been proven. Anyone who doubts me just tie a uni on a swivel and a Palomar to the other side. Pull and you'll see I'm right.
@@jimscott4552 yea I was wrong about that. He tied the Palomar wrong. Twisted it so the two lines crossed at the clinch point. Bottom line go get a swivel and two four ft pieces of fishing line. Tie the Palomar to one so that both layers of line are side by side not crossing. Tie the uni or clinch or any other knot to the other end of the swivel. Now pull till there's a break. The Palomar will most definitely win a hundred percent of the time. I've done this test. A true scientific test of knot vs knot. If the uni always breaks first then maybe you'll see why this video makes no sense. He tied it wrong or it's possible there was a nick in the line but it's most likely improperly tied. Instead of debating and taking my word or this or any video as truth go do the test yourself like I've always done then you'll know the actual truth. Big difference between believing something and knowing something.
@@Saltstrong We have been using a knot testing machine for years. Really love the simple design of yours! We were building tournament rigs for bill fishing tournaments that had to be full proof and also fall within IGFA rules. No version of the clinch knot ever stayed in contention. The topography of the knot tells the story really...more turns around the main line with fewer crosses or bights equals a stronger terminal rig every time. FG's, Albright, Alberto, spider hitch, Uni etc. all share those characteristics.
Did you loop the palomar twice through the loop? I've done similar test and simple uni is worse than palomar but twice through the loop of the hook/bait/lock/swiwel i'ts more durable than palomar...
Agree, Improved Uni or as some call it, the Fish N Fool knot has been my main knot since I was a kid in highschool ( 60 yrs now). We used Trilene and Stren mono back then but it always served me well. Used the Trilene and Improved Trilene knot a few times but never liked it as much.
How about the Double Pitzen knot vs the Uni-knot? I make my Uni by going through the hook twice & keep both loops, run the line around the main line & loops created 5-7 times, then put the tag end back through the front loop by the hook, wet & cinch it down. So the tag end is facing the hook & weedless. Not even sure what to call my knot, I thought it was the Improved Uni-knot, but pictures don't look like what I do. I'd be interested to see how strong it is or what its called
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Great video. Real, objective, scientific testing. It’s true that there are many variables such as increase line strength, changing the Palomar knot by doubling or tripling the overhand portion, etc, but this gives one a baseline. All things being equal, the Uni is a stronger knot with braid than the Palomar. Personally, the Improved Clinch was what I learned as a kid in the ‘60s and what I used most of my life. As an adult I finally learned the Palomar, Surgeons, Droppler, but would still have to look at instructions to tie the Uni. In any case, thank you. Salt Strong does good work. I grew up on the Alabama Gulf Coast and have been fishing all my life, but I still learn a lot from your videos. I just listened to several of Tony’s Sheephead vids. They were excellent.
My theory, more bends in the line (within the knot) causes more possible breaking areas. Also twist in the loops when tied would cause some additional issues. I think that is why Palomar knot is one of the strongest. Very few "bends" and hard to get it twisted
I know the modified uni beat Palomar but can you test the double Palomar, twice through the eye, twice on the overhand? Thanks I use and love your knowledge and insight.
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Both knots are very good with not a lot of difference between them. It comes down to personal preference and which one you can tie the best when you are out in the boat bobbing up and down or on the shore and the fish are biting and you just got snagged and you need a line back in the water asap.
How many wraps did you tie that uni-knot? I have been tying the uni-knot since I was a kid. I Did some testing a while back. I use the FG knot for my braid to leader bass setups and use the uni knot to the hook. The uni knot always gave away first but always over the pound test the leader was. This is key because I do not have to tie the FG in my boat except on rare occasions; I tie long leaders.
Both knots are good. AS stated the line broke at the knot, but the knot never failed or slipped. I use both and I retie all my terminal tackle at least every other trip and sometimes after each trip depending on how heavy of a bite I had that day. Unless the line slips most failures happen right above the knot due to fatigue. That is where the natural pivot point is located. There is a lot going on at that point.
I agree...mostly. If tied well both knots won’t slip before the line breaks. And the breaking point is directly above the. But this is where the difference is. In this test the palomar knot caused more stress at the breaking point and that is what make the uni better.
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its literally the only knot you need to know how to tie to go fishing. everything else is just a distraction. line to spool. uni. line to leader. double uni. leader to hook. uni.
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I never tie braid directly to hook or lure and never use a swivel so it’s uni to uni for braid to mono leader then palomar or canoe knot to hook or lure on the mono leader this has never failed me I use 10 wraps on the braid side of the uni and 4 wraps on the mono side but the one area I need help is with fluorocarbon it seams to break easy I have seen the Shaw Grigsbey knot but is a pain to tie in the dark any suggestions
Have you done a line (not knot) comparision between spiderwire braid and power pro? And with other braid brands? My spiderwire braid seems to be weird and weak.
10 pound braid breaking at 18 or 20 is fine at that point use whichever you're comfortable with 2 pounds doesn't mean anything because you're never gonna tighten the drag that tight on 10 pound line
guys love your youtube !!! please do a video on how release big fish!!!! i work for sand beach mississippi .. i see and pick up a lot of dead red fish on the beach ... a lot of them still have the hook and bait in there mouth that has ben cut off not broke off ..alot of them are like 8 to 35 pounds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hard to imagine someone cutting off the line on a big fish and leaving the hook unless it was gut hooked, in which case it didn't have a good chance of survival but maybe had to be released according to local regulations. If it was a slot fish it probably cut itself off on oyster shells. Personally not a fan of the sport of catch and release without the intention of keeping legal fish as the mortality rate for many species is a lot higher than people realize and maximal ling term viability is very dependent on a number of factors that can't be controlled like water temperature, hook position and length of time between hook up and landing the fish. Then there's a lot of additional factors once the fish is landed such as use of net or swinging the fish, type of net, touching the fish, scale loss and bloated air bladder to name a few. I think most catch and release guys would be shocked to know how many fish die within two weeks of being released.
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Just curious when tying the UNI knot it would be interesting to see if additional wraps increase the strength variably. I think you said you did 7 wraps. It would be interesting to see if 5 had the same strength and increase to 10 to see what percentage each wrap increases the overall strength of the knot.
In my tests with lighter braids anything less than 7 wraps is prone to slip. Never once had a Palomar slip. I think this is an important consideration in the field when conditions for tying a knot are not always optimal (wet, cold fingers, rocking boat, poor visibility etc). The strongest knot is the knot you can tie perfectly. That's why everyone needs a couple of easy, multiple function and fool proof knots in their list of competencies.
I have tested that before... 10 wraps is stronger than 7 which is stronger than 5. But the difference isn't huge and it gets more and more difficult to tie as you do more wraps.
Salt Strong , I was just curious if it made a huge difference or knot. Sorry couldn’t resist the pun... Keep up the great content, really great content
That test is flawed and wrong. If you tie a uni knot to one end and the Palomar knot to the other the uni will break first every single time. That's a true test. Your hand kept turning the wheel just a bit after the uni knot broke giving false results. Why lie to fisherman. Everyone knowledgeable knows the Palomar is stronger. Its been proven. Anyone who doubts me just tie a uni on a swivel and a Palomar to the other side. Pull and you'll see I'm right. The uni will always break before the Palomar.
@@EliteNugz I thought the same at first, but the device stops when the knot breaks. Going to try your method, seems like a great diy way to see which one of your favorite knots works best.
I like your test but it seems like the bottom knot that is static is stronger than the top know that is absorbing the movement when you crank? Always seemed to break on the top knot. Would have liked to see the Uni on top and the Palomar knot on bottom also. Just a long term fan of the Palomar knot but very impressed with your Uni knot, will have to give it a try. Thanks for the viceo!
Thanks for the video! What knot would you recommend that has - for big trolling offshore - Braid to swivel - something that is stronger then wrapping threw the swivel more then once, hope that makes since
I have 2 questions .#1 is it safe to assume the pound test of a braid line is actually double when it comes to the size of a fish? Example ...18 lb test= around a 36 pound fish. #2 what are your thoughts on a 2 piece fishing pole?
Don't ever assume regarding manufacturer claims. I've had "50 pound" split rings bend out slow lifting a 30# dumbbell. A popular youtuber was gushing about the "best braided line ever, a 16 strand from Japan so I bought two 150 yd spools at $75 each, "23" and "41" pound test. The 23 broke at 10 to 11 pounds and the 41 at 21 to 23 pounds - using dumbbells and also digital scale, double at knots so the line itself broke. Now I test everything, casting for hours in the Amazon only to have a big fish show you the weak link sucks. A decent two piece rod is fine, plenty of them out there. I use Bone Voyage four piece travel rods - never had a rod, two or four piece break at the joint.
@@DanTheFireman Thanks the the info on pound test . BTW Did you ever get lost only to be found by the legendary race of "Amazon Women" who took their liberties with you? That must have "sucked" . P.S. I LOVE your video of fishing from your hotel room in Venice,Italy .
@@JD-zd8tm Thank you JD, people have caught 300 pound fish with 10# test from a boat with no structure to worry about, lots of line and lots of time. I have had 15 pound peacocks break 50# braid trying to keep them out of the sticks on full lockdown. Been to the Amazon eight times in the past five years, still searching for the Amazon women. I tried from 70 feet up on our Balcony cruising New Zealand but no luck.
interesting video... both good knots, but comparing modified uni knot to a single Palomar knot, i would like to see if theres any difference in strength with a double Palomar knot.. in theory its a modified knot just like the uni
It doesnt seem that either knot failed at amy point. Just the line exceeding its tensile strength, which the knot has little to do with. to properly run this test you would need a line strong enough to stress the knots themselves.
Interesting.... what about the palomar , orvis and clinch knot on 80lb mono leader? I did some less professional tests myself and the orvis knot won! Do you agree?
That test is flawed and wrong. If you tie a uni knot to one end and the Palomar knot to the other the uni will break first every single time. That's a true test. His hand kept turning the wheel just a bit after the uni knot broke giving false results. Why lie to fisherman. Everyone knowledgeable knows the Palomar is stronger. Its been proven. Anyone who doubts me just tie a uni on a swivel and a Palomar to the other side. Pull and you'll see I'm right. Palomar also beats the clinch knot. For real data on which knot is best don't test knots against a machine. Test knots against each other like I explained. That gives you proof which knot holds better in real world fishing.
@Adam Austin well either way if you tie the uni to one end of a swivel and a Palomar to the other end and pull the uni breaks every time. That tells me it's stronger. This test isn't testing knot vs knot. Its testing knot vs machine.
They are close. Maybe too close to make a practical difference. It would be a better comparison if you used more replicates. 10-20 of each would give you more confidence in your conclusion. May need more because the results were so close.
Agree. If you want these tests to be definitive, tie 10 of each type, randomly test them (by lot), blind the tester so s/he can’t see which knot is being tested, then calculate the mean and standard deviation and test for significance. It’s nice to have good equipment, but bias tends to undermine the results. If the uni is significantly better by stats (e.g. Student’s T), then look at the size of the effect: 19 lbs vs 20 lbs (already twice the strength of the line itself) may not be much a practical difference.
The Palomar is stronger. Try it yourself. He tied it wrong. Watch a video on how to tie it without the two lines crossing around themselves. Roland Martin has a great video on this. Palomar is the only knot that will make the line break in the middle and not at the knot. Go tie the uni knot to a swivel and the Palomar at the other end of the swivel. Pull and the uni knot will break first very single time. All knowledgeable fisherman knows this already. This guy is wrong. Any pro will tell you exactly what I am. I've held records. Even caught a few world records you can see in infisherman magazine. Tying the strongest knot possible is critical for me so just saying try it out. Maybe you've never caught a fish big enough to require more knot strength but you never knot when that big one will bite. Don't take my word for it or even all the pro bass fisherman. Do the test yourself because there's a big difference between believing something and knowing something. Peace brother. 🐟✌
I used the uni knot for about fifteen years as well till I learned more about fishing. So for the past twenty years I've used only the Palomar. You'll see the huge difference if you ever use the Palomar and tie it correctly.
Type in worlds strongest knot. Watch Roland Martin's video. He's the number one fisherman in history. Maybe you should watch more videos by real pros. Tactical bassin is one of the most educational fishing channels on youtube. Those two guys hold nine state and world records. They'll teach you tons.
Hey man you recently said that when doing your loop knot your only doing 2 wraps. I’d. Love to see you test it like this! 2 wraps then up to 5 or so. Thanks for the hard work man keep it up!
I saw that video too. I'd like to know too. I been doing like 7 wraps on my loop knot. I used 3 wraps this last time and didn't notice much difference.
What are you referring to with loop knot? On this video he used the improved uni knot that features going twice through the eye if the terminal tackle (the anchor) instead of once as is typical with the standard uni. Then when tying the actual knot he uses 7 wraps.
@@alexanderteambillywynn6900 if you're talking about tying a uni or other cinch type knot in mono or fluoro you don't need as many wraps or loops around the standing part of the line because mono or fluoro will bite itself whereas the braid is much slicker and tends to slip with less than 7 wraps or loops. That is typical of all types of cinch or clinch knots including FG and GT knots. They simply won't hold below a certain number of wraps according to line diameter. The larger the diameter typically needs less wraps. That is also true for mono main to leader or terminal connections, but in nearly all cases you'll need more wraps/ loops with braid.
I like both knots. My favorite, however, is the palomar...probably because it is easier to tie. Looking at the numbers, the uni knot is 8.017% stronger than the palomar knot. In my mind, that is only a little bit stronger. Well, it's only a little it stronger until you need to have that extra strength. I like tying the double uni when tying braid to a leader.
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Interesting test. Thanks for doing it. However, saying "Final test...well as long as the uni is still better." sounds a lot like confirmation bias. LOL :D
I don't know what this knots called but its basically a doubled up uni knot. You start like a palomar knot with the loop through the eye and tie a uni knot. I''d like to know if its stronger than a regular uni knot.
Drag is there if you need it. For people that are catch and release it's better to get them in quick to help prevent the fish from getting to exhausted and dying. The quicker you can get them in the better if you're going to be releasing it.
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Nice comparison. Have you ever tried tying the Uni with the line doubled over? I fold my braid into a long loop and tie the knot with the loop. It never slips and you have a doubled line through the eye. I have no idea if it is stronger or weaker with braid but I was taught to tie it that way when I worked part time in a tackle shop. That was around the time that braid started becoming popular 20 or so years ago
That's just the delay in the scale's display you're seeing. The scale will always display the measured tension (weight) after it detects it... on a digital scale it's not simultaneously detecting and displaying. The scale will never detect a higher tension after the line breaks... how could that be possible? It's just a delay in the display.
There's another guy who tested a bunch of knots and did more tests also giving the % of strength each knot retains. The knot in the palomar tends to not be the failure point as often as the double uni. And 3lb increase in break strength is not enough, in my opinion, to make up for that
![The Clinch Knot vs. Improved Clinch Knot vs. Trilene Knot [Strength Test Results]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/o9KubArXMEA/mqdefault.jpg)
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Your uni knot is also called the fishing fool and it won knot wars
How would your modified Palomar knot perform with each loop being doubled?
Wait...why didn't you use the double palomar knot that you made a video about back in Aug 2015? You know, the one that won the contest?
Double Palomar (twice through eye and twice through the overhand) is the way to go. If I use a swivel to leader for the purpose of having an option to clip on a teaser, that's what I tie.
I’d like to see the double Palomar vs the improved uni. Cool and interesting videos
Very interesting. I've tied the double uni knot (thru the eye twice) for a year now and have been using it on braid over the palomar.
I like both knots as my favorite knots for every years
These tests are so cool! They both did better than I thought
Have to agree with big blue. Tie what u tie best. I'll keep tying the Palomar because it's just such an easy knot to tie. Your drag will always be less than the breaking strength of the line. Really appreciate all the time you put into these vids. Keep it up!
I’m in the UK, we call your uni knot a Grinner knot. Both Grinner and Palomar excellent non-slip knots, personally I prefer a double Palomar (twice through the eye, twice wrap through the loop) I’ve landed 122lbs Catfish on 65lb braid using the double Palomar, it’s my knot of choice I must admit.
I hope U guys keep doing more knot strength tests with the new toy.. I love these things.. See how the Trilene stacks up when U get a chance..
Palomar and double Palomar are still my go too. Test the double Palomar
Not too much of a difference,, set drag correctly and not that big of a deal. Tie what you can tie best.
Agree, tie the knot that is individually tied best!
The Uni knot can also be used to tie leader to braid so bc of that, I give the uni knot the edge
So true bro. If ur breaking fucking knots u dont know how to fight a fucking fish
Exactly, I will continue to use bubble gum to stick my lines together
@@JoeyBass323 I give the Alberto knot the edge for that.
Next modified uni vs San Diego jam with braid. I'd be interested in those results too.
Here is Australia fishing for pelagic especially GT off the rocks. I use Uni knot with Full Locked Drag/ High Drag cause they love to went straight down into the rocks and reef to cut me off. Uni Knot never fail on me🤙
Thanks for the feedback and for checking it out all the way in Australia!
@@Saltstrong you’re welcome great simple video 💯
for myself, depending on what and how I'm fishing, I will tie different knots, its situational for me. I like both of these knots for sure though and use them regularly.
Is there a vid that shows how you tie that uni?
Check this out: www.saltstrong.com/articles/uni-knot/
Love these knot tests & line tests. Keep them coming 👊💪🎣😎
Cool info!! I use a Palomar almost all the time since a uni knot slips when using braid. I'm gonna try this improved uni the next time I'm fishing. Thanks!
The Palomar is stronger. Tie the uni to a swivel and the Palomar to the other end. Pull and you'll see the uni will break every single time. His hand turned the wheel slightly after the uni knot broke giving false results. So keep using your Palomar knot cause it's the stronger knot.
Interesting. I''ll have to watch the vid again. I've only seen and had great results with a palamor. It's one of my top 4 most used knots
R.R.N. EliteNugz Palomar knot might be stronger, but I don’t think his hand turning afterwards changes the number because the machine stops registering once there’s no more pressure on it.
@@takeadeepbreath6053 yea I think you're right. Don't know why the machine is showing the Palomar with a lower break strength though. There's got to be something to it like the line that he used to tie it had a nick of something because if you test the knots against each other like I explained the Palomar will win a hundred times out of a hundred.
@@takeadeepbreath6053 I think I just realized exactly why the Palomar broke. If the two layers of line cross each other the knot will be weak. Its extremely important to tie the Palomar straight when using flourocarbon and even on braid and mono I'm sure it makes a huge difference. Watch a video on how to tie the Palomar with flourocarbon if you don't know what I mean by the two layers of line crossing each other. When you look up close the two lines should be side by side and not one going over the other. That's most likely what happened.
I want to know the knot on the bottom knot you were using on the bottom swivel that one held thru all the tests and i didn't see you wet the knots before starting to pull the line I have seen tests before with using the 2 knots that you used and the out come is that the polymer knot was stronger but the knots were wet before tightening
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When I m fishing smaller grade yellows and tuna during hot bite I use Palomar. And for bigger fish and I have more time where seconds don't matter I use uni. I always thought it was stronger. Great video!
I love how in depth you guys go into Everything.
2:50 "Hopefully the final test, as long as it still is better than the other two, from the Palomar." HAHAHA, Nothing like testing until you get the results you want. LOL.
Consistency.
Palomar knot All Day. Saves time and with proper drag you can't go wrong.
At 1:20, did the Palomar knot fail or the line break? I just see 10# line in your hand, with the knot intact on the swivel. I still love the Palomar for simplicity and speed for attaching braid to a swivel. How about a test of your modified Uniknot vs. the Trilene knot? They appear very similar. Both go thru the hook eye twice but the Uni has the tag end facing up.
The line broke right at the top of the palomar so it just barely was able to hold onto the swivel. Yes, I'll be testing the Trilene knot soon.
I’m not sure why more people don’t use the Trilene knot. That knot never fails me.
The Trilene knot is designed for monofilament. It doubles pretty well for fluorocarbon, but the gel spun modern braids? Gonna slip out before ya max out.
what your recommended knot for a fluoro leader not braid?
Can you make a test for the best knot for flouro to snap? Ive been using clingh knot for my UL setup, and it always slip/break, id already give the the excess line but still manage to slip/break
We'll add it to the list
So does he tie the modified uni knot onto one side of the swivel connected to braided then the other side of the swivel another monified uni knott to the monofilament? Or should the mono be a regular uni knot?
Really appreciate your Salt Strong modified knot videos. Can you please compare your Salt Strong modified Palomar knot vs the Salt Strong modified Uni Knot?
Great video.. Watching from Nepal.. Your knot wars article put me on to the orvis knot and it had my become my go to. For golden mahseer plug fishing. Would love to see a uni vs orvis leader knot test. Keep up the good work.
Nice test. Of course the more samples you collect the more accurate your data/results will be. However your 2 time test will be enough for me at this point. I've tied the improved clinch for 50 years of fishing & have just recently have been tying the uni for hooks & line to line knots. So far I like the uni the best & your test here seems to bear that out. Cool video, keep it up.
It lacks of scientific method but it is good for reference
@@KavenLeandro I'd like to see it with the Palomar against Palomar three times since Luke has a bias towards the improved uni knot. Also, with a range of line weights from 4 lbs to at least 30 lbs.
That test is flawed and wrong. If you tie a uni knot to one end and the Palomar knot to the other the uni will break first every single time. That's a true test. Your hand kept turning the wheel just a bit after the uni knot broke giving false results. Why lie to fisherman. Everyone knowledgeable knows the Palomar is stronger. Its been proven. Anyone who doubts me just tie a uni on a swivel and a Palomar to the other side. Pull and you'll see I'm right.
@@EliteNugz lol, the scale records the peak tension. How would extra cranks with no tension increase the results.
@@jimscott4552 yea I was wrong about that. He tied the Palomar wrong. Twisted it so the two lines crossed at the clinch point. Bottom line go get a swivel and two four ft pieces of fishing line. Tie the Palomar to one so that both layers of line are side by side not crossing. Tie the uni or clinch or any other knot to the other end of the swivel. Now pull till there's a break. The Palomar will most definitely win a hundred percent of the time. I've done this test. A true scientific test of knot vs knot. If the uni always breaks first then maybe you'll see why this video makes no sense. He tied it wrong or it's possible there was a nick in the line but it's most likely improperly tied. Instead of debating and taking my word or this or any video as truth go do the test yourself like I've always done then you'll know the actual truth. Big difference between believing something and knowing something.
Is the improved clinch knot better then the improved Uni knot?
I need to know!
Uni>clinch
Vastly inferior
The uni seems to be the better knot design compared to the clinch knot.
@@Saltstrong We have been using a knot testing machine for years.
Really love the simple design of yours!
We were building tournament rigs for bill fishing tournaments that had to be full proof and also fall within IGFA rules. No version of the clinch knot ever stayed in contention.
The topography of the knot tells the story really...more turns around the main line with fewer crosses or bights equals a stronger terminal rig every time.
FG's, Albright, Alberto, spider hitch, Uni etc. all share those characteristics.
Can you test the uni vs double palomar?
Did you loop the palomar twice through the loop? I've done similar test and simple uni is worse than palomar but twice through the loop of the hook/bait/lock/swiwel i'ts more durable than palomar...
Agree, Improved Uni or as some call it, the Fish N Fool knot has been my main knot since I was a kid in highschool ( 60 yrs now). We used Trilene and Stren mono back then but it always served me well. Used the Trilene and Improved Trilene knot a few times but never liked it as much.
How about the Double Pitzen knot vs the Uni-knot?
I make my Uni by going through the hook twice & keep both loops, run the line around the main line & loops created 5-7 times, then put the tag end back through the front loop by the hook, wet & cinch it down. So the tag end is facing the hook & weedless.
Not even sure what to call my knot, I thought it was the Improved Uni-knot, but pictures don't look like what I do. I'd be interested to see how strong it is or what its called
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Great video. Real, objective, scientific testing. It’s true that there are many variables such as increase line strength, changing the Palomar knot by doubling or tripling the overhand portion, etc, but this gives one a baseline. All things being equal, the Uni is a stronger knot with braid than the Palomar. Personally, the Improved Clinch was what I learned as a kid in the ‘60s and what I used most of my life. As an adult I finally learned the Palomar, Surgeons, Droppler, but would still have to look at instructions to tie the Uni. In any case, thank you. Salt Strong does good work. I grew up on the Alabama Gulf Coast and have been fishing all my life, but I still learn a lot from your videos. I just listened to several of Tony’s Sheephead vids. They were excellent.
My theory, more bends in the line (within the knot) causes more possible breaking areas. Also twist in the loops when tied would cause some additional issues. I think that is why Palomar knot is one of the strongest. Very few "bends" and hard to get it twisted
You should use the word Hypothesis, not theory.
@@Robot_Chris I totally agree
@@Robot_Chris Arguing over semantics is just splitting hairs my guy. The original poster made a valid point
IS a knot that is tied with2 raps through the eye of the hook any stronger then a single rap?
Yes for most knots
So you did 4 lines and have about 20 test lines on the side did you pick what you wanted us to see
Great video thank you. Awesome effort.
Glad we could help!
I know the modified uni beat Palomar but can you test the double Palomar, twice through the eye, twice on the overhand? Thanks I use and love your knowledge and insight.
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Great test video mate
Thanks 👍
Both knots are very good with not a lot of difference between them. It comes down to personal preference and which one you can tie the best when you are out in the boat bobbing up and down or on the shore and the fish are biting and you just got snagged and you need a line back in the water asap.
So when are you gonna do the improved trilene vs the double Uni? Or the uni vs trilene? Or any variation of the 4
How many wraps did you tie that uni-knot? I have been tying the uni-knot since I was a kid. I Did some testing a while back. I use the FG knot for my braid to leader bass setups and use the uni knot to the hook. The uni knot always gave away first but always over the pound test the leader was. This is key because I do not have to tie the FG in my boat except on rare occasions; I tie long leaders.
have you tested double uni vs Sunline version of double San Diego?
We have not but we can add it to our list!
Both knots are good. AS stated the line broke at the knot, but the knot never failed or slipped. I use both and I retie all my terminal tackle at least every other trip and sometimes after each trip depending on how heavy of a bite I had that day. Unless the line slips most failures happen right above the knot due to fatigue. That is where the natural pivot point is located. There is a lot going on at that point.
I agree...mostly. If tied well both knots won’t slip before the line breaks. And the breaking point is directly above the. But this is where the difference is. In this test the palomar knot caused more stress at the breaking point and that is what make the uni better.
I use FG, Uni, Palmour and the Trilene. All great knots
Definitely!
Is this good or bad? 120lb braid uni Brock at 90lbs the San Diego knock broke at 83 pounds. Are these good numbers?
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Uni Knot is my favorite knot and 99% of the time that is all I use for fishing.
its literally the only knot you need to know how to tie to go fishing. everything else is just a distraction. line to spool. uni. line to leader. double uni. leader to hook. uni.
Which would you use for mono to swivel?
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Did you tie the Uni knot with two loops through the eye? All that I have seen only puts the line once through the eye.
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so you compared the Modified UNI for braid, against the Standard Palomar, without the extra Loop modification for braid. Sounds logical.
Impressive, thanks 🇬🇧🏴👍
Thanks for watching!
Luke, have you tried the palomar with 2 twists of the loop. Instead of just 1?
@@lolz9418 why? The Palomar is flawless. It doesn't slip or break at the knot
@@lolz9418 yes. I Palomar everything I can and uni the rest
Thanks for replying everyone, the palomar on braid with 2 turns of the overhand knot seems to work better for me than a uni even with 7 turns.
are these knots breaking the line around the eye or they slipping by the tag? im sure the former right?
I never tie braid directly to hook or lure and never use a swivel so it’s uni to uni for braid to mono leader then palomar or canoe knot to hook or lure on the mono leader this has never failed me I use 10 wraps on the braid side of the uni and 4 wraps on the mono side but the one area I need help is with fluorocarbon it seams to break easy I have seen the Shaw Grigsbey knot but is a pain to tie in the dark any suggestions
Have you done a line (not knot) comparision between spiderwire braid and power pro? And with other braid brands? My spiderwire braid seems to be weird and weak.
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10 pound braid breaking at 18 or 20 is fine at that point use whichever you're comfortable with 2 pounds doesn't mean anything because you're never gonna tighten the drag that tight on 10 pound line
guys love your youtube !!! please do a video on how release big fish!!!! i work for sand beach mississippi .. i see and pick up a lot of dead red fish on the beach ... a lot of them still have the hook and bait in there mouth that has ben cut off not broke off ..alot of them are like 8 to 35 pounds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hard to imagine someone cutting off the line on a big fish and leaving the hook unless it was gut hooked, in which case it didn't have a good chance of survival but maybe had to be released according to local regulations. If it was a slot fish it probably cut itself off on oyster shells. Personally not a fan of the sport of catch and release without the intention of keeping legal fish as the mortality rate for many species is a lot higher than people realize and maximal ling term viability is very dependent on a number of factors that can't be controlled like water temperature, hook position and length of time between hook up and landing the fish. Then there's a lot of additional factors once the fish is landed such as use of net or swinging the fish, type of net, touching the fish, scale loss and bloated air bladder to name a few. I think most catch and release guys would be shocked to know how many fish die within two weeks of being released.
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Can you try the test with the advanced Palomar knot? I heard thats best for braid
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Have you guys ever tested the power knot ? It’s a hybrid palomar / uni knot
How lovely, i prefer palomar cause easy to tie, but it made me rethink again..informative, thanks sir🐳🐳🐳
Just curious when tying the UNI knot it would be interesting to see if additional wraps increase the strength variably. I think you said you did 7 wraps. It would be interesting to see if 5 had the same strength and increase to 10 to see what percentage each wrap increases the overall strength of the knot.
In my tests with lighter braids anything less than 7 wraps is prone to slip. Never once had a Palomar slip. I think this is an important consideration in the field when conditions for tying a knot are not always optimal (wet, cold fingers, rocking boat, poor visibility etc). The strongest knot is the knot you can tie perfectly. That's why everyone needs a couple of easy, multiple function and fool proof knots in their list of competencies.
I have tested that before... 10 wraps is stronger than 7 which is stronger than 5. But the difference isn't huge and it gets more and more difficult to tie as you do more wraps.
Salt Strong , I was just curious if it made a huge difference or knot. Sorry couldn’t resist the pun... Keep up the great content, really great content
That test is flawed and wrong. If you tie a uni knot to one end and the Palomar knot to the other the uni will break first every single time. That's a true test. Your hand kept turning the wheel just a bit after the uni knot broke giving false results. Why lie to fisherman. Everyone knowledgeable knows the Palomar is stronger. Its been proven. Anyone who doubts me just tie a uni on a swivel and a Palomar to the other side. Pull and you'll see I'm right. The uni will always break before the Palomar.
@@EliteNugz I thought the same at first, but the device stops when the knot breaks. Going to try your method, seems like a great diy way to see which one of your favorite knots works best.
I like your test but it seems like the bottom knot that is static is stronger than the top know that is absorbing the movement when you crank? Always seemed to break on the top knot. Would have liked to see the Uni on top and the Palomar knot on bottom also. Just a long term fan of the Palomar knot but very impressed with your Uni knot, will have to give it a try. Thanks for the viceo!
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I use the uni for braid, palomar for fluoro. For some reason I can't always get the uni to tighten down properly in fluoro
Could you guys test the Centauri knot????
Thanks for the video!
What knot would you recommend that has
- for big trolling offshore
- Braid to swivel
- something that is stronger then wrapping threw the swivel more then once, hope that makes since
Ive always used double uni dont and get asked why its difficult to tie over other knots well short answer its what i have confidence in
I have 2 questions .#1 is it safe to assume the pound test of a braid line is actually double when it comes to the size of a fish? Example ...18 lb test= around a 36 pound fish. #2 what are your thoughts on a 2 piece fishing pole?
Don't ever assume regarding manufacturer claims. I've had "50 pound" split rings bend out slow lifting a 30# dumbbell. A popular youtuber was gushing about the "best braided line ever, a 16 strand from Japan so I bought two 150 yd spools at $75 each, "23" and "41" pound test. The 23 broke at 10 to 11 pounds and the 41 at 21 to 23 pounds - using dumbbells and also digital scale, double at knots so the line itself broke. Now I test everything, casting for hours in the Amazon only to have a big fish show you the weak link sucks. A decent two piece rod is fine, plenty of them out there. I use Bone Voyage four piece travel rods - never had a rod, two or four piece break at the joint.
@@DanTheFireman Thanks the the info on pound test . BTW Did you ever get lost only to be found by the legendary race of "Amazon Women" who took their liberties with you? That must have "sucked" . P.S. I LOVE your video of fishing from your hotel room in Venice,Italy .
@@JD-zd8tm Thank you JD, people have caught 300 pound fish with 10# test from a boat with no structure to worry about, lots of line and lots of time. I have had 15 pound peacocks break 50# braid trying to keep them out of the sticks on full lockdown. Been to the Amazon eight times in the past five years, still searching for the Amazon women. I tried from 70 feet up on our Balcony cruising New Zealand but no luck.
I taught the kids the Palomar and for pond fishing NW Ohio it works fine and the kids like it because it's easy to show Their school friends too.
Awesome!
interesting video... both good knots, but comparing modified uni knot to a single Palomar knot, i would like to see if theres any difference in strength with a double Palomar knot.. in theory its a modified knot just like the uni
It doesnt seem that either knot failed at amy point. Just the line exceeding its tensile strength, which the knot has little to do with. to properly run this test you would need a line strong enough to stress the knots themselves.
How does the tool work on crank baits?
Interesting.... what about the palomar , orvis and clinch knot on 80lb mono leader? I did some less professional tests myself and the orvis knot won! Do you agree?
I haven't tested any knots with line that strong. The orvis is a solid knot, but I'd be very surprised if it could consistently beat the palomar knot.
That test is flawed and wrong. If you tie a uni knot to one end and the Palomar knot to the other the uni will break first every single time. That's a true test. His hand kept turning the wheel just a bit after the uni knot broke giving false results. Why lie to fisherman. Everyone knowledgeable knows the Palomar is stronger. Its been proven. Anyone who doubts me just tie a uni on a swivel and a Palomar to the other side. Pull and you'll see I'm right. Palomar also beats the clinch knot. For real data on which knot is best don't test knots against a machine. Test knots against each other like I explained. That gives you proof which knot holds better in real world fishing.
@Adam Austin well either way if you tie the uni to one end of a swivel and a Palomar to the other end and pull the uni breaks every time. That tells me it's stronger. This test isn't testing knot vs knot. Its testing knot vs machine.
They are close. Maybe too close to make a practical difference.
It would be a better comparison if you used more replicates. 10-20 of each would give you more confidence in your conclusion. May need more because the results were so close.
Agree. If you want these tests to be definitive, tie 10 of each type, randomly test them (by lot), blind the tester so s/he can’t see which knot is being tested, then calculate the mean and standard deviation and test for significance. It’s nice to have good equipment, but bias tends to undermine the results. If the uni is significantly better by stats (e.g. Student’s T), then look at the size of the effect: 19 lbs vs 20 lbs (already twice the strength of the line itself) may not be much a practical difference.
Tying the uni knot for 20 years and it's never failed.
The Palomar is stronger. Try it yourself. He tied it wrong. Watch a video on how to tie it without the two lines crossing around themselves. Roland Martin has a great video on this. Palomar is the only knot that will make the line break in the middle and not at the knot. Go tie the uni knot to a swivel and the Palomar at the other end of the swivel. Pull and the uni knot will break first very single time. All knowledgeable fisherman knows this already. This guy is wrong. Any pro will tell you exactly what I am. I've held records. Even caught a few world records you can see in infisherman magazine. Tying the strongest knot possible is critical for me so just saying try it out. Maybe you've never caught a fish big enough to require more knot strength but you never knot when that big one will bite. Don't take my word for it or even all the pro bass fisherman. Do the test yourself because there's a big difference between believing something and knowing something. Peace brother. 🐟✌
I used the uni knot for about fifteen years as well till I learned more about fishing. So for the past twenty years I've used only the Palomar. You'll see the huge difference if you ever use the Palomar and tie it correctly.
Type in worlds strongest knot. Watch Roland Martin's video. He's the number one fisherman in history. Maybe you should watch more videos by real pros. Tactical bassin is one of the most educational fishing channels on youtube. Those two guys hold nine state and world records. They'll teach you tons.
The double uni knot is however the best knot for tying a leader to braided line. All saltwater guys use it.
Both are good good fisherman know how important drag is iv pulled 20 pound cats on 4 pound line with a polymer knot
This is a great video.
Glad you think so!
what's the name of the device he uses?
Hey man you recently said that when doing your loop knot your only doing 2 wraps. I’d. Love to see you test it like this! 2 wraps then up to 5 or so. Thanks for the hard work man keep it up!
I think he means when using mono or floor, don't he would use braid
I saw that video too. I'd like to know too. I been doing like 7 wraps on my loop knot. I used 3 wraps this last time and didn't notice much difference.
I’m talking about Fluor or mono, I always do 5 with 25lb Fluor but I’m just curious as to if I need to do that.
What are you referring to with loop knot? On this video he used the improved uni knot that features going twice through the eye if the terminal tackle (the anchor) instead of once as is typical with the standard uni. Then when tying the actual knot he uses 7 wraps.
@@alexanderteambillywynn6900 if you're talking about tying a uni or other cinch type knot in mono or fluoro you don't need as many wraps or loops around the standing part of the line because mono or fluoro will bite itself whereas the braid is much slicker and tends to slip with less than 7 wraps or loops. That is typical of all types of cinch or clinch knots including FG and GT knots. They simply won't hold below a certain number of wraps according to line diameter. The larger the diameter typically needs less wraps. That is also true for mono main to leader or terminal connections, but in nearly all cases you'll need more wraps/ loops with braid.
I like both knots. My favorite, however, is the palomar...probably because it is easier to tie. Looking at the numbers, the uni knot is 8.017% stronger than the palomar knot. In my mind, that is only a little bit stronger. Well, it's only a little it stronger until you need to have that extra strength. I like tying the double uni when tying braid to a leader.
the double uni knot is strong and easy for beginner, right
Great information - do you have links to the uniknot ? Thx
Shahid Razak Thanks
I think the "modified uni" is the trilene knot?
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Have you tried the Toit knot, very strong!
What if you do 2 loop knots with the palomar? That would be very interesting to see the comparison
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Interesting test. Thanks for doing it. However, saying "Final test...well as long as the uni is still better." sounds a lot like confirmation bias. LOL :D
I don't know what this knots called but its basically a doubled up uni knot. You start like a palomar knot with the loop through the eye and tie a uni knot. I''d like to know if its stronger than a regular uni knot.
The drag setting is exactly for this purpose. Fight the fish, and enjoy it rather than haul them in like it’s a race.
Drag is there if you need it. For people that are catch and release it's better to get them in quick to help prevent the fish from getting to exhausted and dying. The quicker you can get them in the better if you're going to be releasing it.
As someone with terrible casting accuracy, I need as much knot strength as possible. Thanks. 😛
Happy to help!
The second uni knit broke at 19.xx but you kept cranking a little. Also, this test isn't accurate because your torque while spinning varied.
I don't disagree that the uni not is stronger than the palomar.
Showed us 4 test but there is 20+ broken lines on the table. Did U pick and choose the results to suit Ur agenda?
I'm curious to know what "agenda" that might be?
Did you use a regular Uni knot or "Improved uni knot"? Nice video by the way.
Wait...is this a regular uni or a modified one?
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YIPPY-KAH-YEY! Great video!
Nice comparison. Have you ever tried tying the Uni with the line doubled over? I fold my braid into a long loop and tie the knot with the loop. It never slips and you have a doubled line through the eye. I have no idea if it is stronger or weaker with braid but I was taught to tie it that way when I worked part time in a tackle shop. That was around the time that braid started becoming popular 20 or so years ago
just like a improved clinch knot,right?
maybe we can call it improved uni knot lol
@@indrahaseo It's actually called that way.
Could you increase the breaking strength by adding more wraps?
Yes
@salt strong you need to slow it down a little. It jumped from 19 to 20 really fast. I slowed it down and it broke around 19.5 lol.
That's just the delay in the scale's display you're seeing. The scale will always display the measured tension (weight) after it detects it... on a digital scale it's not simultaneously detecting and displaying.
The scale will never detect a higher tension after the line breaks... how could that be possible? It's just a delay in the display.
How many times have you repeated the test?
Thanks for your time and educating us.
I'd like to see you double that line on the uni to hook.
There's another guy who tested a bunch of knots and did more tests also giving the % of strength each knot retains.
The knot in the palomar tends to not be the failure point as often as the double uni. And 3lb increase in break strength is not enough, in my opinion, to make up for that