How to fix GPU sag ONCE AND FOR ALL! FREE!
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- Video cards have been getting heavier and heavier and the sag has been getting worse every year... so use this simple and FREE trick to stop it for good!
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I've been able to keep my 3080 from sagging by making sure it stays imaginary
LMAO.
Lmfao
That's not even hard right now Ahhaha. :(
You’ve had a year to get one bro
@@juan2049 Do you have one yourself ?
This is a masterclass in how to stretch a 5 minute video to 15 minutes.
Could have be a short...
cos Jay digresses way too much
Another reason I stopped watching this channel often.
@@bhavzm9035 same
He just wanted to make sure to tell the people what actually is the problem with manufacturers and why they are sagging sure he could speak faster here and there but its a good video showing the problems wirh the 30 series aftermarkets
These GPUs should legit come with a bracket at this point
Or they could just you know, make them better in the first place?
Msi gaming x trio 3070 I got came with one.
My Palit 3080ti did which was nice. Didn't need it 'cos it's vertically mounted but it was nice lol
Just bought the same 3090 but the OC edition, not the Gundam edition. It doesn't sag out of the box.
My RTX 3070TI Suprim X came with a stand. And I'm happy i did. It's way too heavy without stand 🥲
Jay is a pro at stretching out a video that should only be about 3 minutes
No kidding, I thought a 30 second vid but same point made
Isn't there a time threshold for monetization (10 min, i think)?
@@nhf7170 there is not.
@@nhf7170 there is for ad rolls i think. Used to be 10 now its 8?
That’s why I’m glad TH-cam added the Most Watched feature in the timeline
10:00 minute mark for the start of the actual fix.
yeah ;\
Saved 5 more minutes of agony, thanks bro
You doing God's work ...
king
good idea needs some sort of compensation
I worked in manufacturing for 15 years. 99% of the time the engineers make changes that make a product worse is because a mid level manager wants a larger bonus check and makes them cut the production cost!
Yup, got to cut out as much metal and plastic as physically possible to save pennies per product because. it looks good to save thousands over thousands of units.... So long as the customer doesn't complain or they can get sued over it.
Tbh, the sag problem is an aesthetic one, not a functional one (if the card is properly designed). So the product isn't really worse, it's just less pleasing and many people don't even care about that.
@@jorgeaura2890 Except it causes strain on both the connection for the card AND motherboard since it means there is weight being placed upon something that is intended purely as a connection point for electronics and not as support.. AKA your PCI slot.
Over time it can bend the pins and loosen the PCI slot from the board.
@@SilvaDreams The trick that Jay proposes doesn't address this. He's simply pre-sagging the gpu so that it looks level with the case. And I think that both the motherboards and gpus are designed wih this sag in mind.
@@jorgeaura2890 the trick he proposes absolutely does fix this. It isn't putting extra strain on the PCI slot, or if there is any it's much much less. he's not simply pre sagging the GPU so it looks level with the case. He's making it so it can't sag like that. Not sure if you watched the same video as us tbh.
“How to fix GPU Sag for Free!”
Me who just had a GPU bracket delivered literally yesterday: 🗿🗿🗿
F that 10$ 😂 Rip bro
I got a dope v1tech bracket, but this would've been nice too 😂
I got an ezdiy fab bracket but can't install it since the screws that come w it don't fit in my case...
I actually like my sag bracket. It compliments my build.
Might have to try Jay's method with my son's PC. It has a EVGA 2080 Super that sags like crazy
Does it have RGB?
Jay makes me feel better about handling my hardware, he beats the shit out of this card for what felt like forever and the damn thing still fires up
So true. When I set up my first pc, I handled everything like I was doing open heart surgery. Probably still gonna do it anyway. Might as well ensure nothing bad happens to my 1000$ gpu
Because when he breaks it he got dozens of spare parts lying around. Do you?
I feel like most high end house should include their own anti sag bracket. Is it really that much extra cost to make a little strip of metal?
I mean they used to come with SLI bridges, and a anti sag bracket sounds infinitely more useful.
I think it will kinda like be the case of apple not including chargers at their phones - even if you include one when shipping them out, the custom vga bridge market is becoming quite big, and people who actually care to get one better than cut off chopsticks and lego bricks would throw them away anyway. I think it would be cool for vga sellers to inculde them with cards tho, as the price tier would be way higher than cases and it would make sense for them to throw in something that costs like 20$ to make.
The center of mass for a high-end is so far away from any of it's mounting points anti-sag bracket (or an adjustable standoff) seems like something mandatory at this point.
no...but they can not include it, then turn around and sell you it to you. much like iphones/samsungs with the chargers.
Because most people won’t care, like they don’t care about sleeved psu extenders.
This is one of the rare "THIS SIMPLE TRICK" videos that is actually not useless.
But still has a 15min video.
It's informative with comparison and all but timestamps surely wouldn't hurt
@@riingo9795 Amen to that!!! Jesus I feel like this could have been a YT short or something with more people watching
Except it took like 12 minutes to get to the point
There's three minutes of useful advice. The rest exists for advertisement revenue and it's annoying.
the world needs a webpage dedicated solely on counting how many times Jay says "I digress" in all his videos
It seems like a good idea, but I digress.
He said it while I was reading this comment 😂
I digress
LOL want to split the proffits? how much do you think we'd make?
Used multiple times in every video haha
This fix is for the wobble, not the sag. The only solution for the sag is to put support on the other end. But in todays shorter pcb and longer heatsinks, the support can just be on the edges towards the side panel (on a standard case), where the additional power plugs are usually placed, since the heatsink contact to the pcb is around in the middle of the card, that's where the weight stress is located most.
gpu sag it needs a pull up bra🤣🤣🤣
Yea, I put a popsicle stick in mine. A little black magic marker and it looks and works great!
so what is the difference? if it cant wobble its still possible to sag? my evga ftw 3 ultra 3080ti is tilting very slightly but its barely noticible and doesnt wobble like in the video. does that mean its still sagging?
I think the real issues is that PCIe/motherboard standards weren't designed with giant GPUs in mind.
What we need is a redesign of the standard to account for different sized cards that can take up the full volume of space across the MB.
Completely agree. Even if the gpus were designed more sturdy it would still put stress on the MB on the pcie slot.
Not entirely it's. stil the fact your put your parts on the side! just why would you do that.! look at
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Thermaltake Level 20 VT, or the HAF Evo from cool master, or Silvertones horizontal cases. some of Azz have horizontal stuff going on to!. putting everything on the side like this is dumb.
Although, thick heavy gpus have been around for many years now. Motherboard manufacturers have had plenty of time to adapt, but haven't. Honestly, not sure what the motherboard manufacturers can do, this is mostly a card and case issue. Jay shows how the cheap construction of the cards is leading to the sag. They need to design the cards with alot more support at the point of mount
Giant gpus and other aibs have been a thing for awhile.
This is demonstrably card manufacturers being cheap.
@@gorkskoal9315 I agree, I have a true desktop case, as the slots were designed for, a CM HAF EVO, when the Mobo is horizontal and the GPU is vertical straight above it, the weight is all supported, nothing is stressed.
GPU Manufacturers "Let's save a fraction of a penny by cutting down the bracket. Nobody cares how the card looks so let it sag!"
Also GPU Manufacturers "Let's spend a bunch of extra money on RGB, custom backplates and cooler designs. People care how the card looks so make it pretty!"
Much easier to market big shiny lights to a bunch of kids.
Crazy thing is, you'll never see the cooler, because it's at the bottom of the card. Unless you're like me, and have an inverted PC, then you can admire it's glory and don't have to worry about sag either!
Sa(gge)d RGB
Ppl are the prob. Ppl keep buying garbage from the manafacturers so manafacturers are happy to oblige 🤷♂️
Wonder if this is a problem in Asian markets or are they just shaving off weight where they deem it unnecessary to save $ for US shipping costs. They can't be that blatantly stupid can they? It would take me 3 minutes on Autocad to fix this across every board partner.
This is a pretty good fix I'm definitely going to use it, though I am a little confused as to why a several thousand dollar video card was not designed with that in mind
Meanwhile the wolf ran🥛🍼🍯🍮🍭🍬🍫
And whenever she had 🎂🍪🍩🍨🍤
most people probably still have their GPUs hidden inside the case so it never mattered before but now everyone has a lightshow going on in their PC case and something like a saggy component became noticeable when they weren't before.
@@Freneticburn It's not so much that it never mattered but more that it never really was an issue. Only in the last few years have GPU's grown to the huge sizes they are these days. There may have been a rare model but that's it. So the majority of builders didn't face GPU sag in their builds.
Another tip for free GPU support:
An unexpected benefit of using the type of thick, stiff, reinforced and harder-to-work-with pcie power cables such as those that come with the Corsair rm - - - x PSUs (e.g. rm1000x) is that you can - after fighting with them more than you would with more giving cables - position and angle them to provide intrinsic upward support to the end of the GPU that is prone to sagging down (especially if you have them coming up through a shroud like they are in this video). That way the PCIe cables effectively act like the GPU stands (e.g. up-here) that sit on PSU shrouds/case bottoms and extend up to the same sag-prone unsupported end of the GPU.
Not a bad idea in itself and I've no doubt that it works, but putting not-designed-for stress on the power connectors (and thus the PCB) might potentially be an issue (at worst e.g. causing a crack in the PCB or connector soldering point). No idea if this could actually be a problem, but just thought I'd mention it. 🙂
I connected the psu cables (850x) by using upside way so it hold the gpu up.
This is what I did before I bought a GPU support bracket, the extra 13$ is much worth it, they have cheaper as well just wanted Antec to match the case, I've seen some for 6$
Just don't try this with any card that uses the 12VHPWR connector or things might get a little melty
I've got one of those triple slot EVGA 2080's, and it was the best design they've had, almost zero sag. I was disappointed they didn't continue that with the new cards. If your card is already going to exceed 2 slots to begin with, you should add the 3 slot IO bracket to fight sag.
Yeah I mean if the cooler is gonna take up that slot anyway. Just add that metal piece...
EVGA really went out of their way to use the crappiest bracket possible to give us clown lips on the back of the card.....
@@Instanewt Bingo!!! My 1080ti looked nice/classy... and then they went Fugly on the 3080's so I went Asus Strix... Still like EVGA Modular Power supplies however... and they have great CS... but shoulda canned whomever designed their 30 series cards...
Can i have it?
the only reason that I can think of is, that if you watercool the card, you would go down to 2 slots.. Just that you can't use the bottom slot for SLI anyways since they removed that option from most of the new cards anyways.
If she's delivered me sweet victory over the years, I don't mind if her GPU's get saggy. They'll always be perfect to me!
I love my girls 3070 Double S
can't upvote cause 69
Only problem with this is you're still relying on a bit of force on the PCI-E slot which I'm not comfortable with. To put the least amount of force you need to support the GPU on the other side.
naa. we don't need to do anything. Nvida and AMD need to build them better!
@@DC-te1gw I mean yeah they could charge $10 more and provide a better "frame" for the GPU components to sit in/on but in the meantime I would recommend aftermarket options that support the GPU the way it needs to be supported.
@@pompulousify or just lay your PC on its side. Problem solved for free 😅
No you're not, all this does is restore proper support to the GPU same as previous gen 20 series cards. The only reason GPU support brackets and stands exist is to fix the sag without addressing the root cause.
@@JohnDoeWasntTaken Honestly, since SLI/Crossfire is dead anyways in PC Gaming, they could give future cards like the 50xx series even 4 slots in the back, to support them even better, because it is expected these will get bigger and heavier. Maybe we will one day see ultra heavy weight monsters in the 60xx series, look back at the 40xx series and be like "Maybe I judged you too harshly".
Not here to fix the sag in my graphics card. Just here to confirm that it's normal 😅
I love your videos!
Photoshop your GPU straight. Quick and easy, and most of all, unless you bought Photoshop, it's free ;)
Sagging is normal. You just have to make sure it doesn't get so bad that it dips into the water.
If you let the card sag, then the PCIe connector can crack at the part that clips into the motherboard slot. Then companies will deny warrenty.
@@GodKitty677 I just used the GPU holder, is it safe? I mean, is it possible to gpu holder broke the vga case?
I'm always suprised at how flexible youtuber's PC parts are.
Seriously I wince everytime Linus, Jay or Paul installs a 30 series card one handed lol
@@tw1tch09 Why? They're experts. Each one of them has already installed more graphics cards during their careers than any of us ever will in a lifetime. I'm not worried about it at all, they know what they're doing.
Except maybe Linus, he might drop it. 😏
Are you implying theyre somehow more flexible than others pc parts? They dont flex any more or less than consumers lol.
@@AvocadoBondage I suppose one could argue they tend to re-use boards and cards, installing and removing them multiple times. The slots and connectors could feasibly have more wear and tear than most consumer parts that get installed once and largely left alone.
I do find everything looks like it installs effortlessly, while I know my parts and even PSU connectors were all quite snug in my latest fresh build.
in my point of view you dont need special brackets to avoid sagging cards. simply take a little piece of hard rubber and press it between the left lower end of your graphics card and the pc case. so gravity is pushing the card against the case and supports the pci-e slot. works good for me
Where are you getting pieces of hard rubber?
Fun fact:
A lot of Gigabyte cards that became paperweights are rejected by Gigabyte because they find stress fractures at the tab going into the motherboard. And they blame the consumer for this, not themselves…
Jay just made a video covering this exact thing, good job spotting this a year prior
That trend of triple-slot cards with two-slot brackets is definitely a bit silly. I think they started doing that because sometimes mini-ITX cases have enough room to accommodate those gigantic coolers, but only have two slots to attach a graphics card.
Why not sell with two brackets. One 2 slot & one 3 slot 🤷.
@@niklasbergvall9656 screw-on brackets....include both of them in the box..and the buyer will fit the one that he wants ;-)
love the first fewminutes where jay is just fondling his gpu's
The grandmother lived 👄👅🧠👁👀👣👃
The wolf thought to himself🌳🌲🌱⚘🌷🌼🌻
Then just as he was going to
I once built a tiny support column for the gpu using lego, has been in use for ages. Works perfectly, and if you have the bricks you can customize it to the build. In my brother's pc we used fishing line and hooked it to the top of the case (there is an opening for air)
Lego column gang represent
"I've tried to shim it in the back"
Yeah, me too. That's why I'm sleeping on the sofa the next days...
😂😂
:D
Awesome easy fix!
Byt will viagra work ? IF we use like in custom loop ?
Sometimes, the simple solutions are just the best.
u know what's an easier fix ? Lego. I just prop up my 2080ti on a support I designed.
It did not work. You owe me a plug.
Sure is a lot more elegant than the acrylic pole tenting mine into position.
This is EXACTLY how I've done it since my first 30 series build. My first attempt was wedging one at the end but it wasn't aesthetically pleasing. Then I realized it could be stacked underneath. Great 👍 video Jay
this could have been a 2 minute video.
2 minutes doesn't make the money
I fixed my sag for free. Jay now holds up my GPU 24 hours a day.
Just training him to not slap it around so much.
"No, your face doesn't count."
You can't stop me from climbing ladders with my face!
Underrated comment. lmao
The best solution would be support the card on both ends. Look at old IBM PC XT machines, the expansion cards are huge, they even have hard drives mounted on cards, and there are rails on the front of the case to slide the cards in.
Same with Mac Pro.
with the variety of cases it's become impossible to do so... like 15 years ago you still had midi-cases that also supported the rails you're talking about, but those are only for full-sized AT/ATX expansion cards, which are VERY big, about the same size as the longer side of a regular ATX motherboard. Also i remember having such a card back in the mid '90s and it was hell for cabling. I remember having to buy extra long flat-cables for my hard drives and optic drives because my regular sized cables were too short as i had to route them around the topside of that full-length expansion card i had.
Most business oem PCs still build like this. Some even have a locking mechanism
And it's not even a new thing with conumer cards. I remember that my 13 year old HD 4870 was sagging like crazy. Must be around that time that cards got pretty heavy and you could buy little standoffs to support the back end of the card from below.
@@BoGy1980 They're not that big. ~335mm, which is comparable to many graphics cards these days.
I ended up getting a GPU support prop rod for $10. It arrived 5 days after I ordered it, and a day ahead of my 3080 arriving.
Doing this fixes the cosmetic side of GPU sag. You're still relying on one small mount and your PCIe slot to support the weight of your GPU. Go with a prop rod, e-leash or something other than doing this. This fix still keeps a lot of stress on your PCIe connection, and that could break your GPU and/or your motherboard.
So glad you made this video. I have the gigabyte 3080 and it is so heavy! I've noticed over the last few months that it seems to be sagging even a bit more than it did originally.
This is one of the best build mods I have ever seen. I’m always pissed that card makers insist on making the cards with so little support…
its called making money
After watching this I took the two case brackets from my Corsair 4000D, cut off the tops and bottoms, and gorilla glued them together to form the shim. I have an EVGA 3080 FTW3 and it is now rock solid just as demonstrated... I cut and glued so I could add three layers to the shim without having issues with the screw on top.
20 years ago, when I put too heavy cooler on weak graphic card, I solved this problem with supporting card with wooden stick from bottom of the case.
I love videos about these small details!
These are the small specifics that you can only learn from tons off experience and often are never translated into a video.
Thanks Jay!
"See my hand right there, that's where the sag is happening. You have to fill that void". Jay, I try to fill the void everyday it's pretty endless! Ha ha ha.
IF so many GPUs are now OVERSIZED & HEAVY, is it time to return to the "Horizontal Desktop" for a majority of PC components to be less abused???
I can't see that being a popular idea. First off it'd be more difficult to showcase your hardware, second the desk footprint would be enormous. It was fine back when you could just stick it under your CRT monitor that was the size of a microwave, not so much now.
If cards really get that big, I think case manufacturers will add an integrated gpu mount with riser support before this happens.
Only if you were doing one of those Desk Pc's like Linus did...
It’s my foot rest 🤣
@@LyK0sa Right, to showcase your hardware to... absolutely nobody but yourself. This fad of having super showy setups is nothing short of narcissistic.
I am continually surprised that there hasn't been a standard made for creating a hook and latch for the opposite/inside part of the card. Would greatly help to prevent damage during shipping and metal/plastic fatigue and sag over time.
I've seen something like that being sold by caseking a couple years back but it's gone now. All I see now are the goofy support sticks.
Rather than destroying two or more pcie brackets you could just get some rubber/silicone bumpers you’d use for cabinets and apply them to that third pcie bracket and it’d push against the card’s cooler in the same way.
Only catch is you gotta check to make sure they don’t come off when you’re installing the card.
Also that their adhesive can handle the heat in the long term
11:31 If you only have one shim, you can always bend it in the middle of the shim to make a curve, the bigger the gap to hit the cooler, the bigger the curve.
I stepped away from PC gaming in 2010 and just returned in July of this year. I was shocked to see PCIe still being used. PCIe cards used to be much, MUCH smaller (same size as PCI and AGP cards.) These slots just weren't designed for the 10lb cards that are floating around today. Just pinning one in feels absurdly sketchy.
The problem isn't PCIe. The amusing fact is, if PCIe 32 becomes a thing, the slot will be long enough to offer much better support. The issue is that in GPU manufacturers went the route of speeding up the cards by increasing their power draw, and thus heat generation, requiring massive heatsinks to deal with the problem. My 4070ti is actually quite a small card, but 70% of its mass is the cooling solution. You can mitigate the issue by putting a waterblock on the card, but this isn't exactly the cheapest or easiest thing to do.
"There's a void that needs to be filled"
...
Yeah.
Just popping back in to say I just used this method, installing my new card today; :) Worked like a charm! The phanteks anti sag bracket they supplied with the p600s was a complete waste of time.. did nothing. So yeh.. thanks for the useful idea :)
This is one of the things I appreciate about my 3090 founders edition, the three slot in combination with more of a unibody design really provides added support to prevent sagging
The pcie shield screwing directly into the cooler is brilliant design
Got a 3070FE and same thing here, no sag in a small ITX motherboard.
And i somewhat feel safer because of no components being exposed, so no humidity/moisture/dust issues
@@nja3817 3070Fe is never going to sag, it's a small card
@@syed2694 It's very heavy and indeed bending at the end
@@nja3817 No it isn't, I have one.
I just added a little 'stand' /'pushup bar' on the end of the card as support.... boom, works
Kinda makes me miss the old XT/AT days when case standards provided for a support at the far end of the case for full length ISA cards.
I still run two cases from Aopen that are built like that.
Yes they are beige. Yeah, a super tower is a weird case to build a modern system in.
@@sparkyenergia no judgement here! I’d love to build a Beige Beast lol
This worked amazingly on my EVGA 3090!! Just make sure when you shorten the plate, you do it enough so it doesn't touch the motherboard. I had to shorten mine more than Jay did in the video.
The best way I’ve found to fix this problem is to buy low end graphics cards that aren’t heavy enough to sag. You are welcome for this very original idea 👍
Another solution: Buy an APU
Jay I give you props. You have major balls for using the tip of a screwdriver to push down on the PCIe clip. Good lord the idea of that is like nails on a chalkboard. I just envision that thing going straight though the PCB.
Yeah I just came to post this, ain't no way I'm prodding that little clip with a screwdriver in case it slips, hell I'm ever nervous pressing it with my hand. I guess he has enough money to the point it would just be a little oopsie.
Is Phil the best focus puller of all times? With Jay all over the place all the time, my vote's in!
"Shake it more than twice, your playing with it" had me rollin🤣
I like that he showed multiple cards and how each does or doesn’t try to combat sag. Great video Jay
Yeah, and it just made me more sad that these cards are astronomical in price and that few of us get to play with toys that shiny. Good video, nonetheless, but still, just a shade green over here...
@@spasmonaut10 Don't worry, at least you don't have to go through the buyers remorse.
Just did this with my 3080 and it worked! Thanks for this simple and easy fix - was driving me crazy since I installed the new card.
Its really nice If the case is fully black you wont even see the brackets.
In the spirit of this video, doing a legitimate "ez life hacks" for pc building would be pretty neat. You know, just the very basic stuff that can make a decent change to your build/how you go about things, would be neat.
Other ways to fix sagging:
- Use a vertical Case (I have a Silverstone Raven RV02 and i love it - it is over 10 years old, still best airflow i ever had)
- put a drop of glue that gets really stiff between the cover in the Back and the cooler
- use a vertical mount
- fabricate a small support the most hanging edge of the card if you happen to have a 3D Printer...
-Have a small or no gpu at all
-Use water cooling (The water block is USUALLY way lighter than those beefy heatsinks)
That Gundam setup makes me feel things I can't actually say in such a wholesome channel's comment section. GOD DAMN!!!
My EVGA 3070 TI is sagging from the right and I know for damn sure long term it’s going to be a problem. This is my first PC and thank you for this!
I just did this with my EVGA RTX 3070 FTW3 Ultra and I got to say it actually works! Not that I ever doubted Jay, but it really didn't look like it was sagging all that much anyway. But doing this pushed it up a couple MM. Nice!
I just got the same card last night, I start building my first pc tomorrow.
"And it just looks like your graphics card needs viagra"
*Dad* *LOL'ed*
Thank you for the simple fix!
There are other implications with sagging cards. Over time, the PCB its self will warp and cause intermittent failures as the etches crack and solder joints fail. This was an issue some years ago with poorly designed cases causing the motherboards to warp and flex. The other issue too is as the video card sags, this will put stress on the motherboard its self and that will cause etch-failures along the PCI-e slots.
I ran into these kinds of issues a few decades ago, or more now actually (I'm getting old) with various circuit boards I used to repair back when I used to be a board technician.
@@CRSolarice You're absolutely right. It's funny how ideas float around then return.
Back in the olden days, the issue was solved by using a channel to support the PCB along its edge near the front of the case. This worked well until cards were pulled in and out carelessly breaking the plastic channel or popping it out of its mounts. When that occurred, the cards would sag and cause problems with the motherboard such as the ones I mentioned. I ran into many motherboards that had ripped connectors and pulled etches. Sadly, once that occurred it was quicker to scrap the board than it was to repair it which could be done using buss-wire and solder. This latter part wouldn't be possible today due to the high frequencies we find with our computer busses. Back then things were in the Khz and low Mhz range.
The other issue we face today is computers are not all the same size and not all are manufactured in factories like Dell, Lenovo, and HP. Today, we have enthusiasts putting machines together with various sized cases and motherboards, making a one size fits all solution impossible.
@@CRSolarice I'm not much further behind you. I currently have an i7-5860. I agree going for the latest and greatest isn't necessary and I too go for the "new stuff" later usually to let the crowds pay for the hardware development and work the bugs out before I come along and get the stable hardware for a lot less than they paid for it.
Right now, I am looking to replace my system because I lost some USB ports on my motherboard. I powered up my PC and the keyboard and mouse didn't work and neither did my backup drive. I jiggled wires, but that didn't do it. After a second reboot and replaced keyboard and mouse, the system booted, and the hard drive appeared but the system can't find 3 USB ports. My 1080 TI and RAM still works and so do my hard drives. I'll get another motherboard, one with a faster chip and move my RAM, hard drives, and video card over to that.
In the 1970s I was building electronic kits and instead of becoming a music major like I originally planned (parents said NO!), I got into electronics instead. I headed initially to engineering but found tech stuff more fun and eventually landed in the hardware tech field testing and repairing circuit boards until those jobs went overseas. Today, given my eyesight, I'm not even sure I could do it because the components and everything is the size of ants. The stuff I worked with were the typical 70s and 80s equipment with little surface mounted components. I repaired disk drive controllers, modems, video terminals, and all kinds of memory cards, I/O controllers and comms cards. I learned a lot too and came to the conclusion that even the stuff we have today is still the same as yesterday except smaller, faster, and more delicate.
Your concern is a big one because that can ruin the sockets eventually as I saw in the ancient hardware with cards not supported. Some of those systems had what we referred to as board packs. These were multiple boards that plugged into a single one via riser connectors and ribbon cables. This made a heavy pack, about as heavy as those new video cards. Without that extra support on one edge, that would eventually pull out of the socket and sometimes ruin the motherboard or backplane depending upon which style system these were in.
Laying down your case isn't such a bad thing. The problem is It will be absolutely terrible you won't be able to see those blinking lights! We'll have to commiserate over a beer someday on that one. 🙂
@@CRSolarice excellent comment.
Jay always says, "I digress". I never really use that expression. I love it.
I just finished a reverse ATX build, the USB-C cable is an excellent sag prevention for my Gigabyte Aorus 2070Super 8G :D
It's as it was build for it.
On an older build I had, I just tied butchers twine to the top of the case and looped it over some part of the gpu at the front and that fixed it for me. Pulled the card right back up and looked unique really.
Same, but I used fishing line attached to the plug of the power cable.
I was afraid the video would just be "get an APU and sell your GPU to fix the sag fully"
This worked! I have a Lian Li Lancool II Mesh case, with an EVGA Gefore RTX 3070 FTW3. I took the two extra brackets, slid them in as described in the video and the sag is gone! The nice part about this case is it has a darkened border on the glass door, so you cannot even see the screws once everything is in place. Thanks Jay for the ridiculously simple and free solution. This should have 1M+ views.
Definitely an oversight by these GPU manufacturers.
the 3 slot design really seems the way to go. hopefully they make more cards like that in the future.
Or design GPUs that consume less power and require a lighter and thinner cooler
Would have been the solution ever since the coolers make the 3rd slot unusable anyway, and even way before that it's always been recommended to keep the slot beneath free because of the airflow.
But I guess that little bit of metal to have a 3 slot instead of 2 slot bracket is just waaaaay too expensive - even on a $3000 card. Will never understand those utterly dumb business decisions, never ever.
There's a Flaw with your Sag to place Theory Jay.
Some cards will flex enough to allow Thermal pads to separate from contact points .
Best solution I found is Supporting the furthest corner of the card. It can be done in many ways even with a Pen case cut to length if you don't care about looks.
Its kind of a Poor mans solution equal to Case support you have there.
But actually more rigid than the case support.
lego bricks
This is the best and the most effective solution. Stacking brackets as shown in the video will eliminate some flex but not all of it.
I cut a 20 oz bottle in half lol to use it as a kickstand for my asus tuf 3070 ti lol. It works until I can get something else.
I've cut a 2 by 9 cm piece of cardboard and placed it under the furthest corner of the GPU. I've designed a custom support than I plan to 3d print, but it's coming in the future.
@@Haren94 Not worried about heat damage if using cardboard? Or if using metal, short circuits. What material would be best? Ceramic?
My son uses Legos!
I personally like the "arm" that goes under the GPU's and bolts to the same rear holes as where the GPU would...
So far its been a great solution (I used to zip tie around the 6 pin plugs, up to a drive bay but I dont have that type of case anymore)
I have a solution. Use a case that orients the mobo horizontally.
Mount everything on the wall
That's what I do XD
io on the top agreed. NO SAG ISSUES!!!
I'm gonna hire a few homeless people to hold it up for me on shifts.
YEAH! but where's ALL the RBG gonna show off? LOL
Finally no more sag for all these GPUs I have
Lol same
My RTX 3080 TUF as shown in this video had very noticeable sagging. I purchased the card around the release of the 40 series cards but recently it was worrying me a bit so started searching youtube for any reviews on a Asus GPU Holder. So I found this video in the search results and tried the fix and now I can barely see any sagging at all. This video just saved me $90 Aud. Thanks Jay 👍
I'm loving these daily jaytober uploads, Jay. If only it were like this every month!
I am embarrassed I didn't think of this on my own sooner. Thank you so much! I had trouble getting 3 stacked but knew if I only put 2 it wouldn't be thick enough so I had to widen the screw hole a bit.
Hi, it's a 14 min video that's been out for 5 mins, now, but I'm going to comment on how much of a help this was for me and my GPU!
Wait, I haven't watched this yet and I have a 970.
Me tooo
You would think after a couple decades of GPUs getting bigger and heavier someone would switch up the way motherboards are built. vertical gpu mount has always been the most attractive option for me, if looks count.
meh it's not a motherboard issue it's a gpu issue think man think!!!!!
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue but they look like big spaceships and it's kewl
I read the title as “no more Gpus” haha, that’s likely just as true
Nah. Just bought a 3090 for much closer to MSRP than I'd ever thouht it'd get. And that in Germany, where we almost never get any stock cause US companies absolutely despise Europe.
Even if the back of the card is supported, the card will warp downward over time regardless; the bend happens throughout the whole structure. That's something that occurs over years though; not an immediate visual sag. You'd need some kind of brace to stop that.
Not if you have a metal back-plate the covers the PCB.
@@weeooh1 Ah yes because metal is unbendable...
Over time, this will happen to any card which is heavy enough and has no back support.
@@Xorthis Of course metal is bendable. But would need far more force than the weight of the card.
@@weeooh1 Over a long period of time, and repeated heating/cooling cycles you'd be surprised...
even better solution: just put some adesivo rubber pads instead of more brackets. I got some of those cheap, transparent silicon anti-impact pads that you usually use for walls (so the door or handle don't hit it). Worked PERFECTLY.
Can you post a link by chance? I am not sure what you are talking about.
Genius! *starts pawing through the junk drawer*
Rubber is much better in my opinion too. When you modify metal inside a PC case, there's always a chance of creating some type of short. Overkill, I know, but yes, "I'm saying there's a chance". Plus - sound/vibration dampening!
For the guy who added the "filler" on sponsor block: Thank you!
I even thought it was a mistake haha
We definitely need more deleted scenes videos
I was hoping you just lay pc on its side and just end it there :p
Me: *Gently picks up my card I spent hundreds of dollars on so as to not break it* I hope my static doesn't shock it!
Jay: GO LONG! *Throws across the room*
Something is holding the rear I/O mounting bracket to the rest of the assembly on every one of those GPUs... Most likely its screws, whether visible or concealed... Those screws need to be tightened first... Then mount the GPU into the MOBO, and put the screws in... Get a ruler or tape measure, lift up on the front end of the GPU, and take a measurement from IT down to the nearest part of the frame that will support weight... If there's nothing under the GPU, then just measure to the floor of the computer... Then find a good-lookin' piece of wood or plastic, cut it to that length, and prop it up under the FRONT end of the GPU, using caution not to get any fan blades involved... NO MORE SAG...
Jay, I think you're a great and knowledgable man on the subject of all things computer... I watch your videos all the time... You have SO MUCH computer information in your brain, it's a wonder your head isn't twice the size... But, with all due respect, the shimming concept in this video is totally flawed... The best way to get rid of GPU sag is to support it near the front end... Thanx...
I usually just route the PCIE powercable with enough slack in the front of the case that it acts like a sag bracket when you put the side panel on. With a PSU shroud on the bottom and the panel pushing the cable inward and up it supports the card nicely.
but what happen if i use my pc open...
@@zamfielis thats not smart to begin with
A little PSA for those watching this video, I have come across cards and have purchased cards from systems that obviously made no use of proper anti sag brackets. No matter how much you tighten the pci-e bracket, there is always a lot of force acting on the weakest point of the pcb closest to the pci-e bracket, the only way to fully eliminate this problem is by supporting the card on the pci-e power corner, there a multitude of ways you can do this, heck if you can't afford a gpu STAND, I've in the past used lego and a small piece of foam (to prevent scratches on the gpu) to temporarily keep the gpu supported while I was waiting for my gpu stand to arrive.
Now as to why you wouldn't want to use a sag bracket supported by the back of the case, this bracket s only really effective if the case is made from high quality, thick metal, what usually happens is the support stand bends the case metal and sags with the gpu, supporting the vertical sag using a vertical stand therefore makes far more sense than supporting vertical sag with a horizontal bracket.
This was a bit of a mouthful but I hope it makes sense.
gpu sag it needs a pull up bra🤣🤣🤣
Main problem I find with the brackets that hold GPU's up, is they quite often can lead to parts moving due to increased heat and end up touching against the fans
gpu sag it needs a pull up bra🤣🤣🤣
problem solved🤣🤣🤣
Thanks to the first 10 minutes of explanation, now you know why the extra bracket works and where it should be supporting.
Also i got a EVGA RTX 3080 XC3 which is 3.59 pounds or 1.62 kg. I have been using it for 3.5 years and do carry my PC around for maintenance from time to time so there's some movement applied. Everything is fine at this moment.
but i think although Jayz help in the aesthetic of no more sag, i think the main concern should always be the PCIe slot that is holding the majority of the weight at the other side of the GPU. the brackets only carry the extreme end of the card.
There will always be weight pulling down on the other side. only thing is how big of a concern is it? nobody knows until the connector broke
Though...
One has too be extra careful that the extra PCI-brackets dont short out on the motherboard as they are only secured at one point. I would put a heatshrink sleeve around the bracket "stack" to keep things from shifting around over time.
The one that are flexing most is Jay.. and all his 3080 :P love your show. Remember to add this test to the review of the future GPU’s.
😂
Heh, I've actually been using that trick with the screw. However, that's on my EVGA 1060. The newer RTX 30 series can be much heavier and I feel a lot of stress would still exist on the ends of the card even if you use the screw trick. I'd feel more comfortable using a support bracket to hold up the far end if just for the fact that it ensures the PCB and metal backboard aren't so stressed.
Jay truly is a master at prolonging a video
The “Tuf” series isn’t that ‘tough’…
I beleive they're referring to their RMA process. Their products ain't great, but their support is worse.
I mean they never said its "tough" it's advertised as "tuf" .
I bought a little support for my 3070ti, but it was too tall. I ended up improvising and found that two stacked red Solo cup shot glasses fit perfectly under the far corner of the GPU under near the front of the case to lift it up and eliminate the sag. Plus it adds a nice vibe to my build.
I used a clipper lighter. It fits perfectly between my evga 3080 ftw3 ultra and the bottom of the corsair 4000D tower :)
I had a bar in my stock case that was not adjustable, so I used a bacardi bottle cap to bridge that gap
I used a clipper too, one of those mini ones tho - it was the perfect height for the corner of the card to rest on the gas button
the gundam edition case literally has a holder on the right side (those two vertical pipes) for gpu sag
thats what he told in the video
yes but do other cases have it? Don't think so