From what I have seen, it's both. Hot/cold cycles will eventually warp the pcb of installed horizontally with that support fighting all that weight. If your graphics card is big and heavy, put on a riser. Done.
I agree with both of you. I have had a 4090 TUF running fine for almost a year using the included support until the day it started giving me black screens and 100% fans issues. It made me scratch my head for like 2 weeks until I decided to remove any preload from the support and keep just enough to keep it level. And it's been running fine since then... I guess. I do firmly believe that heat and cold cycles played a role in causing the issue and the gpu is most likely slightly damaged 😢 I suggest people using supports to check them from time to time, it's quite annoying to be honest especially for me decided to buy high end hardware after 7years of not upgrading. 13900k and 4090, wish me good luck 😅
@@TechnologyHive Fortunately, 99.999% of the builds won't see more than a GPU as a add-in card, cause you either block all the expansion ports, or need a case almost as wide as it is tall to accormodate the size of the heatsinks. Watercooling will become saner and saner as those heatsink keeps getting roided.
@@TechnologyHive all of my cards have been 200w over the years. HD 7950 was 225W, RX580 was 225W (though i had it undervolted down to 120W), Arc A770 is 225W. I refuse to go higher.
The GPU should *REST* on the GPU support, the support should *NOT* be pushing up against the pci slot the other way in any way. Also as others have said you should try and put the GPU support in the middle of the GPU if you can. Also yes I have zero idea why computer cases aren't made to have the CPU cooler and GPU be vertical nowadays. A huge oversight by them and is going to lead to death motherboards/GPUs as time goes on.
Imagine a world where foresight was the golden rule :) I wish ALL cases came with vertical mount as standard or full support correctly, and not close to the side panel which will restrict airflow to the gpu, causing overheating.
i mean there was the cooler master haf xb evo where the entire mobo was placed in a vertical position, adn that's the only one i heard about that has that setup. wish more cases had that tbh, looks much more stable imo
@@Iwantapplez109 The Cooler Master Elite 130, an oldie but goodie, is perfect for a vertical GPU setup. Granted first you'd have to find one for sale, and also you'd need a mini IT/X mobo.
GPUs have simply outgrown the ATX standard form factor and pcie x16 slot. Instead of add-in card slots we should have a dedicated pciex16 socket that connects with the back of the pcb. It would fix all the issues with board power and cooler clearance as well. PCIE SIG should have been working on this years ago.
Or they push to much power to justify the big coolers for.marketing purposes, cos big is better, no? Server GPUs don't need big "better" coolers, not RGB...
@BozesanVlad It's to keep GDDR6X cool. Nvidia learned from the 3000 series. Tones of these cards died due to memory temperature issues since GDDR6X runs hotter than regular GDDR6.
@@TechnologyHive Interesting, thank you, I didn't know that ADA4000 has DDR1 or DDR2 so is cooler... Lesson learned from the past: at launch, *all GPUs had *BIG* coolers, than when the newer cards were launched, they manages to even put on the market GPUs with smaller coolers/ even without coolers. They launch half baked arhitectures (GPUs and reference boards), and indeed *bigger is better* until the GPUs kill themselves or even kill the motherboard with it. As alicence designer I know the concept to "wrap sh!* in gold " (packaging/ promotion/ marketing) to sell said s*@t That's my only point in this regard, a personal opinion if you may.. ADA400 is SFF, doesn't need a HUGEEE cooler for marketing purposes tho: "GPU Memory: 20GB GDDR6 with error-correction code (ECC) Memory Bandwidth: Not explicitly mentioned, but implied to be high due to the 20GB GDDR6 capacity" "Height: 2.7” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 4.4” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation) Length: 6.6” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 9.5” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation) Slot: Dual-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or single-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation) Power consumption: 70W (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or unspecified (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)" As a side note, a bigger cooler/ shroud could eventually be bad for cooling in the end, even as temperatures. If they isolate the components, or are used bad pads, or the GPU itself heat the other components *through the "cooler" *. Another personal opinion.
I believe the support brackets are not stupid but I believe the problem is the user that is pushing the graphics card up to a point it's gonna slowly warp it and I believe the best way to do it is put your case on its side while using the support bracket inside to get the proper height. Basically what this will do is the graphics card will just rest on the support bracket to negate the warping and graphics card sag, so this is how I do it and I never have problems also it's always best to have two supports instead of one, so what this means is you'd have one support on the Edge and the other support near the middle.
@HuddledEragon The real problem here is the weight of these newer cards. I the cards didn't weigh so much, there would be no need for such "supports". Even if you install the support before the gpu, eventually during hot-cold cycles, the pcb will twist due to the weight. The support will catch the sag and eventually in time leave the pcb bended. This is what I have been seeing with the cards coming in and talking to people that own them.
@@TechnologyHive I know about the weight and size of these graphics cards, because I have a Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF (352.9 x 158.2 x 72.6 mm) that I need to use a support bracket to make sure it rest its weight on it but I make sure I don't push it up so it doesn't bend the other way. Plus I do not use a vertical mount and the main reason why is because the way how my AiO works is I need the tubes of the pump to be more downwards so if I vertical mount it will cause problems to the tubes, also I can't rotate the pump in a certain way because it will either hit the VRM heat sinks or the RAM slot because how thick they are. So I have been thinking about either selling my Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF or for future projects, I would either replace it with a 7900 XT or with a 4080 super with a height at least 144 mm or a bit smaller than that so I can finally use my vertical mount.
And what about the cards with solid metal backplates. Do they help in reducing the warping? (I have an asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx and I am thinking about getting a vertical mount (or an additional support other than a lian li one
I have this RTX 4080 model from MSI and I don't use the support contraption included in the box. The cooler does integrate a reinforcing aluminum frame, bolted to the I/O shield that does the job of keeping the PCB from sagging, even when I move the PC case around my room. Just make sure to use all the three screw points to secure the card to the case mount.
@sparda9060 But, it should not be the case. The average person buying one of these things wants get it installed and get to using it. It's the way it should be. The error here having to add pillars or other supports to these now very heavy cards. One should not have to do that. Best way to protect your purchase is to put it on a riser. Done.
@@Lynnfield3440 They had to fix the 8 pin connectors because they weren't broken enough 😅. So they fixed it by installing one that, when installed incorrectly, will just burn up your card.
@@TechnologyHiveWhat'd be your solution then? All cases or GPUs come with risers? Because reducing weigh isn't exactly feasible, at least I personally wouldn't want it at these power draws. Would require much louder fan speeds. I like my silent, thick radiators. And for me a riser is not possible anyway, I have a tower cooler in an O11D Mini, can't fit a vertical card in there.
For that, I'm paranoid, so I bought a Y40 and put a hotwheels car to hold the end of the card too, because it goes down a bit and forces the riser PCI too. I didn't know that, but it's pretty obvious, if you met the idea shown in the video.
@Manuzoka1996 I wouldn't put any pressure on the card, vertically or not. If the GPU is slightly raised on one end, just use a bit more padding under the riser, at the right side end of the under plate.
I have a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC, and have used the anti sag mount for 1-2 years. No issues, and I don't think there will be. It's a pain of a mount connected to the MB though, so you never want to add an SSD again. I think a screw at the bottom of a vertical gap stops it from sagging but doesn't push it upwards, just stops it from going downwards any further. I've seen people not happy with the MSI version though, and while I wouldn't say I'm happy with Gigabytes version since it is inconvenient, it does the job and seems safe based on visual, and 1-2 year usage.
Umm...if you installed your card and pushed up a bit too high with the gpu support and it failed to power on the first time, this is a red flag for me. That can be the result of broken solder joints under the GPU or memory. Even if its working now, it could be problem later. Just a heads up.
The issue is people using them. My support bracket I did not put pressure on I placed it under on the bottom edge just the edge towards the front of my pc case glass. It's not touching a fan it's not pushing it up. Just placed it under. The issue is if I didn't my 14.1inch 4080 super strix was sagging like a mofo. Some you have to do it with lol. I would rathet this effect overtime then my gpu touching the bottom of my case and the pcie connector being messed up. If you lay the support bracket under and dont put positive pressure its fine. It will lay on it slightly and its not pushing it back the other way. All gpu are made different also some have much harder outer cases much thicker metal cases and in those its much much harder to bend with a bracket.
As I have stated in many comments, hot/cold cycles will inevitably cause the PCB to twist or bend over time when installed horizontally. Supported or not. Customers have reported using supports for a few years and one day they try turning on their PC's just to be greeted by artifacts. If your card is heavy, use a vertical mount.
You can just lay down your case on its back panel if you have space in your room, so in that sense you gpu is in position like its vertically mounted.Though it will maybe make your thermals a bit worse, as the hot air rises, and it would usually rise right into the fans at the top of a pc case, but now its rising into the front panel.But if you have good air flow, i dont think it will be a problem.So... this is just my opinion, it may or may not be correct.Also i didn't read full comment section, so i dont know if anybody else said the same think, so i am not copying anyone, again this is just my opinion.
Im sorry, when you say riser do you mean the simple like rods that just lift up one corner? Magnet on the bottom and you slowly raise them up to fit underneath? Also, i couldnt find your video on this subject. Thanks in advance!
@thelaughingmanofficial Nope. If installed horizontally, your card's pcb will, in time, begin to warp due to hot/cold cycles. Heavy cards need to go on a riser.
These latest cards are not the first to sag a lot and ppl were fine with having them horizontally for almost a decade. This is a lot of panic mongering.
@@tmsphere That is because for decades leaded solder was used. Today, everyone wants to go "green", and lead-free solder is being used. Lead-free solder is more brittle than leaded solder, and will crack easier. I use leaded solder in all my repairs, and so far I have not had any reballs come back even on slightly warped PCB cards.
Hello I just got a hella expensive setup with a 4090 which is put horizantally. After learning about the sagging issue I ordered pole like support but now I see this video. I don’t really wanna change the case or the set up right now. Was wondering if I can just put my case horizantally on the desk, could that solve the problem ?
Bro just get a gpu support WITH a mini bubble spirit level. Basically these spirit levels are meant for detecting gpu sag and if you're applying too much pressure on your GPU with the bracket (so you can adjust it). It's really not that complicated lol
Maybe in many cases it is not the most elegant way, but placing the PC case horizontally on the table instead of vertically is a safe and probably the most economical way to prevent this problem, which is how I have used it with a GTX1080Ti since 2017. and zero problems, greetings and thanks for sharing your knowledge
The fact that the GPU format has kept the same way despite how INSANE theese chonkers are is proof that manufacturers don't care enough, afterall their benches are mounted sideways anyways, so if something goes wrong it clearly has to be the user's fault.... We need some real integrity to be added both to PCI slots and to graphics cards, especially since the shells on cards seem to get cheaper and cheaper every time. I get that it'd be a massive shame to require a new format mobo to use a modern GPU but i bet that users would rather update their whole system and not be paranoid about their hardware not being capable of widthstanding itself. It makes more sense than ever now to use the vertical mounting for the GPU that some cases have literally just to preserve it rather than even caring about aesthetics
I agree with you. And these repairs are not cheap. And cracked PCI-e slots are not something I offer as a repair any more either. So if it breaks, its toast or someone else can take on it. But it will never be the same.
How much that thermal cycling is effecting this? I have 4090 and it's idling around 45C. Remember some of my "old cards" 1080Ti or 2080Ti was idling around 50-60C and under load about 80C. So smaller dT between gaming/idle and using 24/7 it won't drop back to 22C unless i do some maintenance. Can't remember what was 3090 idle temps. Changing temperature is always mechanical stress to solder balls.
It really depends on how much stress the PCB is under. If the card is sagging a lot, the core or memory chips may develop cracked joints sooner or later. My 4090 idles at the same temperature. It is normal.
@@TechnologyHive I added that support what come with gpu and adjusted it when I was building it so it should be in ok place. Maybe need to check if lock screw was tightened right in that and it's height haven't changed. Also no space for vertical adapter because all accessible pcie slots are in use.
I know this is a late comment and I'm not sure if you will still see it to respond. If a riser cable then guarantees you to get no gpu sag at all, what would be the best case/airflow configuration for a airflow build. I was looking and finally found the Antec Flux pro and the case seems really really good for a airbuild and horizantal mount(I have not bought the case yet), and currently I own a 4090 msi trio x gaming and was thinking of getting a gb-001 horizantal support bracket that attaches to the motherboard for that case whenever I do get it. With a riser what would be the best case then since wouldn't the airflow from the gpu be hindered a bit, since the hot air would be hitting the back of the case instead of going up and out of the case immediately and since every single case reviewer I see, says the same thing about air not liking to move in 90 degree patterns, is there a case that is optimal for a riser cable airflow build? Also what is the specific riser cable I should buy then, since I've been using a gpu vertical support bracket from the msi suprim x 3090, for my 4090.
@TechnologyHive I see that's nice I'll look into it. I personally don't like aios at all I'd rather just have a optimal airflow build with a noctua nhd15 g2. Since that is as good as any aio for ryzen cpus from all the benchmarks I've seen of that air-cooler vs aios. Also was the main issue for people horizontal GPU mounts because they put it at the end? Like how about if you supported it somewhat in the middle and end so it's just fully supported horizontally since I don't mind how my build looks ngl, I don't care about asthetics at all just most quiet case fans which is why I use noctua fans and best performance.
@@lovie74 i would rather just get a vertical mount. you can support it as you see fit as it is your property. but these cards are too heavy to be installed horizontally. as i write this, i have 5 cards here with cracked joints under the core, cracked PCB's and memory pads ripped. all this is common in cards installed horizontally.
@@TechnologyHive if there is this many issues with these. I wonder if Nvidia will be able to do anything in the future with the 5090 to support it more since I feel like it will be even heavier... I'll try to look into vertical mounting since I've never done it and it always looked riskier to me back when they were just pcie 3.0. Since it always looked scary to hold a GPU that's heavy vertically like that butz im assuming it's safer now or more advanced than years ago
@@TechnologyHive I looked into it a bit, and you were right like everything you said in your video also the wobble and GPU sag seems to be fixed with vertical mount besides some really heavy cards still somehow sagging with vertical mounts from some other videos I've binged. Jayztwocents recommended the coolermaster riser cable and alot of people online have to since it's adjustable and seems to hold graphic cards well. I am curious on your recommendation for a vertical GPU mount for a MSI gaming trio x 4090 or does it not matter aslong it's its a vertical mount? Sorry about typing so much but for a year I've used a GPU support bracket for a my 4090 and I bought it used for 1200 USD( never had problems with it) but, not I'm getting worried since I don't want it to die on me early. Sorry for all the replies and questions.
Hi, sorry for stupid question, but wouldn't it be "simpler" to just have a case lying on side (like a rack), without need for any risers and vertical mounts?
My old card was sagging like crazy because it had no backplate and it was still alive and showed no signs of core or memory breaking off the pcb after 4 years of intense use. How do these newer cards break with a little sag upwards? That's crazy
The problem is that with coolers that heavy even with vertical mounts the gravity still is in action and naturally the card wants to flip. I had a 5700XT which sat vertically 3 years and it bent a little. Not as severe, it works fine, but also its cooler is not as heavy as on 4080 shown here. The new GPUs got so power hungry that If we don't get some technology breakthrough which will reduce the power consumption we are going to end up with a GPU external box next to a small PC case :)
@@TechnologyHive Nope, 35 year tech here. This is a new issue of course but from the majority of cases I've come across the only serious issue is no support at all. Properly used brackets will not cause an issue so long as the GPU isn't being forced upward aggressively. The gpu should have only the slightest amount of sag while resting on a bracket, the bracket is designed to support and prevent sag fractures not to strong arm the gpu into the roof and force fractures in the opposite direction. Most folks dont have vertical mount capabilities which is fine if the bracket option is used correctly. I actually never thought this would be a problem but Gamers never cease to amaze me how easy they destroy their systems as a result of no cognitive function.
@animalyze7120 Mr. 35-year tech, the issue is both. User related and design. A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves. Also, I do not blame them since these heavy and long gpus are getting ridiculous at this point that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports. This has been my observation and what people who own the cards are telling me.
@@TechnologyHive *_"A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves."_* Yeah, and? That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use support if you know what you're doing. You have such weird logic all the time. *_"that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports"_* Yeah, and? Then tell them how to support them properly, instead of telling people not to use them. Your comments are so dumb, there is absolutely no logic in many of them.
They wouldn't want to do that because of failure rates. Adding an AIO to a whole series of cards would yield higher RMA's. They will always take the cheaper route, sadly.
So you want a 1100$ gpu instead of a 1000$ GPU. AIB partners make little money off of graphics cards. It’s largely Nvidia that is pocketing most of the money
Would multiple anti sag supports resolve the problem. For example one motherboard bracket and two supports on the outside? I don't have the space for vertical gpu mounting.
I do not like risers I prefer good case I use Cooler master HAF XB EVO, mainboard is installed horizontally and my GPU vertically. One down side they stop making them 10 years ago.
@@TechnologyHive I use this same Case and CPU cooler Noctua D14 for over 10 years already. Case weight a lot more compared to modern one quite thick steel sheets used. I still use Hot swap HDD bays :)
Personally I lay the PC flat on my side so the GPU is not sagging and then set the GPU support height so it just barely touches the GPU without exerting pressure. I've found this to be the only way to set the height properly. I'm using the slot for the vertical mount as the passthrough to the external radiator (custom watercooling) and changing the layout would be a huge pain...
Wouldn't a support that props up the top & bottom of the card at the opposite of the business end of the graphics card do the job. Not that vertical mount aren't a great idea, just some cases can't use them (or add-on cards block the use of vertical mounting hardware)?
@bokami3445 If someone is going to spend that much money on a heavy card, it should also be mounted on a vertical mount to account for the weight. Horizontal mount supports are a bad idea for these heavy, long cards.
Hey, love the video and the advice, will 100% consider it for my next build. What would you say is the best bet for a twin GPU setup for artists that need the extra computing power?
Would you recommend vertical mounting a msi 4090 gaming x slim card ? They are a bit smaller but would it benefit in the long run to have it vertical apposed to horizontal mounting. I have had mine horizontal for the last year and it seems fine I bought a 3rd party gpu brace when I picked up the card as well.
Is this an 7900XTX MERC310 next to the box? How did it get dmged, by the included steel support beam? i got one, and with the support bracket you can k177 someone.... so massiv this thing is and this pcb is bent, because of bad localisation of the support. maybe 1 is not enough maybe you need 2?
@daegaraf898 The card is 6950 XT. It had a broken pcie slot, cause during transport and the card being installed on the PC. That's a big no no with these heavy cards.
Im not a fan of vertical mounts due to the issues with them I heard online. Will I be fine with properly mounting the support bracket so it stays level with the card, resting the card on it instead of pushing up? What about a mount that extends from the PCIE mount? like the uphere gpu support bracket
What you've heard online about vertical mounts does not apply to 3rd party vertical mount kits, like the one I use in the video. You can try supports as you see fit, but ultimately, vertical mount for large heavy cards is the best you can do.
Would using a raiser/vertical mount potentially cause other issues? Having all the weight just hanging off one side couldn’t be good either or am I missing something? 🤔
I have yet to hear issues stemming from using a riser vertical mount properly. Btw, the card's weight is not "hanging" off any side. The card should be installed into the PCI-e slot on the riser, and screwed in place at the IO side. This is the best setup for your card.
Is there a way to have it horizontal and not cause damage. I was thinking if you put the pc case on its back so the gpu is perfectly level then with no screws in the gpu put the bracket up enough to touch the bottom on the perfectly level gpu then screw in screws and after put the pc upright wouldn't that be a great way
It's not just user error, but the support that comes with the card doesn't have any guide how to install them so people go with theit own assumption how to install them. My support actually doesn't fit into my case so it's literally outside of it standing next to my case, but will adjust the height based on this. I do plan to buy a new case that can fit the cables and will try to get one where i can mount vertically to prevent this issue
Sagging has been a common thing since Nvidias 8000 series :P Joke aside sag isnt really a problem, it just happens to be more visible on some cards often dependant on cooler/VRM cooling being seperate. Its simply a result of recurring long term thermal expansion and retraction of the PCB :) It will happen even to cards with full "sandwich" coolers (full coverage + backplate) That said, adding a support bracket that provides support on a too small surface area of the PCB, is very much a dumb idea xD cos well.. math dictates it xD applying any pressure to small points on the PBC will effect how the PBC will bend over time. I never got why people use these support brackets, simply put, you are just moving the pressure point by adding a new point, in many cases to a small surface point. Its not fixing anything. Given the heavy cards nowadays, i would claim after some max 6 months, you would need to re-adjust the bracket to ensure the increased pressure from natural sag on the bracket is released xD
Some of us don't dilude ourselves that a 1.5kg card can sit on a thin pcie slot and not crack over time. It's not just visually unpleasant, your pcb really is twisting like that.
So if the support makes it just tip the other way, wouldn't two adjustable supports be better and having them kind of barely touch than having a single size that might push it too much? Best of couse for use consumer would be not having to use supports cause of size (which understandable might be easier said than done). This is just a thought for those who might like the traditional mount. I am kind of trying for a "conversation" rather than a "oh you stupid"-thing
@danieleriksson990 The problem is that half the card length is comprised of heatsink in most cases. If you place the support in the middle or at the end of the card, you will still have the weight problem. The pcb will still warp and the lead-free solder used on these newer cards will crack easily and cause artifacts or just a dead card.
@@TechnologyHive I read something recently about thermal problems if vertically mounting gpus with the i/o pointing upwards but didn't understand why and didn't follow up on it.
@@Eric-un2oq That is if you install the card vertically near the side panel. You chock the card out of airflow like that. But using a 3rd party mount is a different story. Works perfectly.
From a structural point of view a support with a beam that supports the entire length of the gpu spreading the load in a even way should be a good design although probably more expensive.
@@NameUserOf Both of these vertical mounts are universal. But I think there is also a vertical mount specifically designed for certain Lian Li cases. I'd look into that also.
@@NameUserOf Both of these vertical mounts are universal. But I think there is also a vertical mount specifically designed for certain Lian Li cases. I'd look into that also.
I had my GPU support bracket pushing the GPU up because I thought that would be better, after watching this I put my PC horizontally and adjusting the bracket so that it's half a millimeter away from the GPU so that when it's vertical it would just rest on it. Hopefully I haven't damaged anything during the 3 months I had it pushing up. Thanks for the video.
I hope all is well with your card. It is not well known, this problem. So I am glad to see people taking interest and acting to correct the problem before its too late. Cheers!
@@TechnologyHive Yeah, people usually talk about GPU sag, it was just by chance that I saw a comment on reddit linking to your video and decided to watch.
this only applies to triple fan cards right? my 2060 super (msi gaming x model) only has 2 fans but its hefty - its held up by a plastic pipe in the middle atm so i wonder if a vertical mount would work better here
@TechnologyHive For what it's worth, all cards are expensive in my opinion, even the 3060 Strix I snagged in the Newegg shuffle. Plus I got other expansion cards in my system as well.
@@SOU6900 Ah a 3060 is not so expensive in case it does bite the dust. And if you are well established in your system, a move to a new one may just turn out to be a headache.
@TechnologyHive 😆 It was expensive back then because I was on fast food level pay, but that was then. If need be, I can pull my expansion cards and move the m.2 from the x4 card to the motherboard, but I don't know how much it will affect the gpu to go from 16 lanes to 8. If I recall, Cooler Master makes a conversion bracket anyway that I can toss in my case as well since it's also a CM product.
im using those cheap bolt type, no issue..dont put right to the edge put it just before the a little after the end of the pcie slot and dont set it to push the gpu up just let the gpu rest on the thing
Just keep an eye on the PCB. Cold/hot cycles after a while will warp the PCB if not supported correctly. Even so, I still recommend vertical mounting. But I do understand not everyone is able to do so. Just keep an eye on it :)
@@TechnologyHive thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye on it or later move on to vertical mount...my old case can't vertical mount as gpu kinda thick but got a new case today that is able to. Vertical mount surely the better way for these big long thick GPU
i used a block of cardboard (square tube) to "prop" the card so it doesnt sag ... i experienced worstening of temps after few months period. relieving the "stress" lowered the hotspot for 4-5C so its not spiking over 105 on 4k load. But its so bad that i fully expect to either change the card or "repad" "repaste" the card... Take care of your HW folks.
that looks like overpushed support on the corner (user improper use) because where is lower its on the braket side where it screws on the chassis i did think about that too once but not for that issue but for the radiator to have a balanced weight support
the off the shelf suppors can cause it to bend I 3d printed a groot figure that supports the whole card not just the back half full support or no support is best in my opinion
I have a question. I have a very short pcb compared to the plastic cooling part. I bought one of these Amazon Magnetic GPU brackets. I Placed it under the Gpu. How do I distinguish the tiny "crack" noise from pcb crack. Could it came from the metallic heatsink. Because as I said the pcb is very short so it shouldnt be affected by it. Its an pny xlr8 4070 ti super pcb.
When I inserted the magnetic gpu bracket under the gpu I heard a tiny "crack" like noise. I am not sure if it came from the pcb (hope not, because the pcb itself of the pny xlr8 4070 Ti Super is very short compared to other models). I didnt even touch that area. But could it also come from the metallic heatsink?
@@earth-616universe4 When you install any support under the GPU, you're supposed to loosen the graphics card from the case, then add the support under the GPU. Do not slide any support under that graphics card while it is screwed on to the case, or you will cause stress on the PCB, thus warping it and potentially causing long term damage.
So I should first of all remove the GPU from the motherboard. Then place the supporting bracket under the gpu and install the gpu to the case. How durable are PCBs from PNY or in general? Because I heard a similar "cracking" noise when I inderted the gpu for the first time into the motherboard even when I did it gently.
I can't estructuraly understand how a CPU would detach from the board in a vise grip configuration. the cold Plate is being Forced Down the CPU and the Board together by the CPU Screw mount
Easily done, by hot/cold cycles and adding just a bit of resistance on either side of the card. The lead-free solder which is much more brittle than leaded solder will then crack in time, and cause disconnect between the board and the GPU core.
I think I have seen the absolute best, and ugliest solution. A person had installed top quality fans on a row, straight under the GPU fans. Then did he cut out tubing that was from a bottom fan to a GPU fan, holding the entire card as three hollow pillars with lots of air going straight into the GPU fans.
I can't comment on your particular case. I can only recommend that if you have a big card, like the one I show here in this video, please put it on a riser if you can.
I have my bracket screws loose (about a half turn from tight) with a support holding it up just a hair, it's worked just fine for me for the past year and a half.
My Palit card came with a different support mechanism. It’s basically a stick that I screw onto the heat sink. How will that bend the card the other way if it’s just resting on the heat sink and not being raised up by it?
@club4ghz I'd still try to look for a vertical mount. But hey, that's just me. These cards are too expensive and I get then in for repair often due to the same problem. Sag.
@@TechnologyHive I know. I noticed it started bending in the middle even with gigabyte support bracket installed so I removed it and made 3 stick like supports out of wood with rubber ends and I had to adjust their position over time to straighten the pcb back how it was. It still has slight bend, not much upwards in the corner where the power connector is but I can't do anything about it anymore. I got the core area perfectly straight, and I will be checking for changes once in a while
Imo the sag is way worse. My card is pretty beefy and the sag was visible, during the repasting I even noticed how the board itself is bent a little. Bought a stand and set it up no to try and level it completely but rather just a tiny bit higher than the bottom point of the sag. Temperatures are better and the card is working fine, I am not saying vertical wouldnt be better but its out of the question in my case and in many other cases as the space for vertical mount is usually a 2-slot but the cards today are easily 3-3.5 slot and even if it would fit the clearance from the side panel would be little to none which would create even worse heating problems.
No no. You would buy a vertical mount from Phanteks, or Cooler Master V3 riser. DO NOT use the case's own vertical option. That sets your card too close to the side panel. It will not work.
@@TechnologyHive I know about these solutions, however those are sometimes not compatible with PCI expansion cards. Only the once that allow flexible positioning might work in that scenario. In my case some of those wouldnt even fit as I am using 2x120mm fans on top of PSU shroud.
Sir, do you know the proper thermal pads sizes of sapphire pulse rx 6700xt . Ny card is going 80 degrees and hotspot more that 95 degrees , it’s quite good for my 35-40 degree room temperature 😂. Still wanna know cuz i want to change the pads and paste.
I like the look of them mounted with a riser cable. Have done it on my current and last GPU. I do have a little magnetic post that I put under the shroud between the gpu and the case vertical mounting so it prevents sag because I use a Thermaltake core P3 and because of the design of that case the mounting bracket for vertical gpu mounts isn’t supported as well as a full on enclosed PC case.
I have a ROG Stix 4080 and it is massive. I did have it on a riser for a while but it just wasn't getting good air flow making my whole setup hot. I did notice that the mounting bracket on the card is connected to the whole case of the card so it is pretty solid when connected straight to the mobo. I have it in there now with no support and it doesn't have any sag.
Thank you for making this video brother. I ran a poll and most of the users still want to mount horizontally. This video will show the outcome of mounting horizontally. There are myths amongst users that there is a performance drop. I don't know how this myth settled in. I think there is a need for a video that shows the performance difference between mounting GPU vertically and horizontally. I used my GPUs vertically and saw no performance drops. The only way forward is to mount it vertically to save the GPU.😁
@frazerxavier7295 That's 💯% a myth. The only way vertical mount can affect the gpu performance is if they mount it using the PC case vertical mount position which is typically close to the side panel, which restricts airflow to the card. I am not talking about that option. I'm talking about vertical mount as on a 3rd party riser, as you and I know. Too many cards are coming in for repair with this new issue. It's ridiculous, really.
The problem, is that j have had the sliding down of thermal paste from the core (not istantanely, bat after a couple of months) mounting gpu in vertical position ... and so core hotspot hitting 100°. It's better mount the gpu in horizontal position (imho)
I think the gpu supports that screw all the way from the external expansion slot would be better as it does a more evenly distributed force of raising up the card would it be not?
@@TechnologyHive well its supported at one end by the case and the other end by the bracket, I do have it on the face of the GPU, seems to be keeping it perfectly flat
@@TechnologyHive I spotted something when doing my system service, you know dusting, new paste etc.... the GPU actually makes contact with the DIMM socket clips, I wonder if that is contributing to some of them bending/twisting
@@StudyWithNika I think common sense comes into play here. My rule of thumb is that if the card is longer than my motherboard is wide, and it takes 2.5 pci slots, it goes on a riser. But this is just me.
I gót my Rtx 3070 and i dont ever need to use gpu sag bracket cuz gpu was 3 slot but whole gpu hat front amd back made from metal and all it was mounted with scrzes and belived or not all it hold up togeather perfectly 3scrues was enough and there was no sag. I upgrade to rx 7900gre and this is also samé size gpu slightly more heavy but i noticed that this gpus sag quite a lot even tho gpu is made very well is allso metal conected directly to cooler so its very good but i noticed very small sag and i mesured it with digital measuring tool and its give mé basicly 4mm low on the right side sooo i get my hands and start looking for some stuff and i find really cheap full metal bracket with rubber stads and there was multiple sizes and one that you can actually made your own custom so i pick it up it was Like 12 eur plus shipping as i said very cheap but it does what is should i made it inytentionally still lIttle bit low on right side around 0.2mm to bé exact so i dont pushing it up more than enough so yeah bracket is great tuff and you need it plus you dont need rizer cable at all brakes is fine you just need to use it cirrectly and definitelly IF you buy gpu it allways costly item make sure you buy support for it cuz as it mention in video when this things broke its nôt cheap thing to repair and almost all shops will avoid to repay you and they void your varanty for sure cuz this is gonna bé mechanic al damage.
@eikbolha5883 This is why I made the video, to bring this to people's attention. Many cards are dying due to their weight and sag or using supports the wrong way. Best to use a riser. Thanks for watching btw 😊
@@TechnologyHive probably not cuz cheaper gpus just gonna bé Like this long tíme and expensive ones well asus háve allready making new gpu without cabels just full PCB connect ión Like Rtx 4060 mini but this is Rtx 4090 hugeeeeee hahahah but that fix main issue with faulty connector but create yett another one cuz that gpu from asus is massive hugge heat sing also i see reports that using that mamuth without sag bracket even for a week or so create cracks on PCB around 16 pin connection. Rizer is good way to fix this but as many other users samé mé i cant use Rizer there are no holes for it also my case is older design and this woukd just not work cuz i have massive cpu Air cooler, just over all many users dont using raizer cuz its actually také more space IF you rotate gou6and IF you have smaller or older case Like i do well you wont bé able to fit it there. IF i change while case one Day maybe than i Will try that but so far i dont háve intention to do that cuz everything is fitted soo fine that there is basicly no space left also im not touch Ing cable management ever again on this build i made it soo nice it took mé 3 hours ró rewire most of the cables to look diecent.
Have been using gpus with and without support brackets for many years and from my perspective I believe sometimes people just install or use them wrong from what I have seen and experienced but the case with the modern supports is the fact that it might be too much sometimes
It is a combination of both, heavy cards and people not knowing how to properly install them. AIB partners do not include manuals explaining people how to properly use the included supports or people just overdoing it.
After this video i buyed the cooler master v3 and now i have my 4080 in vertical mount :). When the gpu was horizontal, i noticed that the support's positiion after a while moved outside. It was like the pressure, was making the support move. Thanks :)
I have a low end gpu. A 6600XT. Basically as just a frame buffer. As an enthusiast I much rather see efficiency being the goal rather than the current brute force approach. This includes AMD, Intel, Nvidia. The power consumption of cpu's and gpu's today is terrible. Don't get me started on the size of the four slot cards.
I like the 6600XT. Aside from it being limited to PCI-e X8 Gen 4, you must have a 4.0 Gen PCI-e to not have it bottlenecked by Gen 3.0 X8. That would suck.
Not really, because the actual PCB's for most of these heavy cards is about half the length of the heatsink. So installing it in the middle does not really fix the problem. A riser does.
After watching several vids of ppls pcb's cracking w/ GPU supports I bought a new case for my 4090 a month after I bought it. I run the case horizontally which allows my gpu to sit down directly into the mobo in the vertical position removing any stress on the pcb. I don't like the idea of using a gpu mount w/ a pcie extension cable; I prefer the peace of mind of a direct mount into the mobo pcie slot. I also run 4 temp probs on my gpu pwr plug to monitor the temps in case it starts to push to high I can shut it down. My plug temps while gamein CP2077 4K full PT runs at about 40C and idles at 32C. Such an annoyance w/ these gpu's w/ all the potential pitfalls one can run into if they're not careful as it can turn into a crazy expensive mistake.
I think when GPU size outgrows ATX and even E-ATX standards, why not design a new form factor to get rid of sagging altogether? I mean a new attachment mechanism demonstrated on OAM accelerator cards in servers and memory board on CAMM2 should solve this. It shall be based on LGA attachment mechanism of GPU PCB, and OAM form factor, and new wind tunnel replicating typical workstation CPUs do.
The problem is not the cases or motherboards. The problem is the GPU's themselves. They are getting too heavy, all due to GDDR6X running hot. Board partners recycle heatsinks, so they end up putting them on cards that really do not need such heavy heatsinks, just to cause problems later.
@@TechnologyHive I am wondering how to make lightweight yet still have great thermals for video cards. What I know of OAM attachment mechanism is pure stability and durability. Maybe one way shall be use of carbon fiber, or go back to turbo blower.
They have done cases where you can place the gpu on the case front now, like a radiator or like a distro plate. But i would maybe do that on the top of the case, couse you usually take fresh cold air from the front, and hot air goes to the top by default. This leaves you more room for other devices into your motherboard that are not so heavy. Another fix could be: Lets start demanding horizontical computers again ? Then the sag would be towards the motherboard.
What if I have like 2 or 3 RTX 4090 tho, how do I mount them all vertically? And there is the cooling performance as well. Also if I install them vertically but use multiple supports to spread the gravity pull even will that work? Thank you in advance!
Bought a ASUS 4070 TUF a while back and it had a support that came with it but I found it really flimsy to deal with. Greg Salazar actually recommended a support that works really well from Lian-Lee as it fixes on to the motherboard and case. One thing I did do was make sure I installed the card and support with the PC on it's side. That way I can see where the support needs to go to better support and just gently rest on the card. If the support was tight to the card causing it to rise i'd say that's where you get thermal flexing under serious load which as bad as card sag with no GPU support. Ideally I would recommend vertical mount if you can afford it but it would also need to have decent airflow as depending on how big the card is, the closer you are to the tempered glass the less air to the GPU you get. Also could be another reason for horizontal cases to make a come back like what I had with my old 386 back in the day
Yeah except if you don't use one with the size of the cards these days your pcie slot gets damaged like mine did and forced me to get a gpu support so my bottom one doesn't get damaged either..
I was getting black screens with my ROG 6700xt when i first brought it. Then i opened the case i pushed the GPU a bit to the slot and i screwed the GPU card with the PCIE case screws really tight. Haven't had a black screens since. Should that be alright? I had this GPU since Christmas 2022. I got it in basically new condition despite being called used on ebay from the seller lol.
@@TechnologyHive ehh I doubt it. I just didn't had the GPU all the way in the slot. I broke my motherboard PCIE clip, but I heard it's not really a problem as long you push the GPU in the slot and screw in the GPU with the pcie case screws. I didn't do that at first, but it stopped after I did that process. I guess it depends on how strong your pcie card slot is and ur case pcie screws as well to hold the GPU. I had this GPU for like a year. So it's fine now at least i think so. I undervolted my GPU anyway to make it last longer. 6000 series run pretty hot and use a lot of power.
Let me add my comment backing up most of what I've read: user error. Install the GPU, DO NOT screw it to the case yet, and install the support making sure the card is just RESTING on it (as horizontal as possible). THEN screw to case. GPU supports are great, especially for larger cards, if used properly... which I hadn't even considered they coul dbe used improperly.
I bought a MSI 2070 Super in 2019 and it came with a support bracket. I never used it and I never had an issue with my GPU. But I don't buy GPU's with 3 fans because I don't like how long they are. Just install your GPU as recommended and you will probably be fine. That or just buy the smaller GPU's.
GPU supports are fine. People using them incorrectly is the issue.
@@fluphybunny930 well how do I use the properly?
I would agree.
Go to only a level. Don't go upward where you are bending the card up.
From what I have seen, it's both. Hot/cold cycles will eventually warp the pcb of installed horizontally with that support fighting all that weight. If your graphics card is big and heavy, put on a riser. Done.
I agree with both of you.
I have had a 4090 TUF running fine for almost a year using the included support until the day it started giving me black screens and 100% fans issues.
It made me scratch my head for like 2 weeks until I decided to remove any preload from the support and keep just enough to keep it level. And it's been running fine since then... I guess.
I do firmly believe that heat and cold cycles played a role in causing the issue and the gpu is most likely slightly damaged 😢
I suggest people using supports to check them from time to time, it's quite annoying to be honest especially for me decided to buy high end hardware after 7years of not upgrading. 13900k and 4090, wish me good luck 😅
When you have a graphics card that weighs over 2 kg, I don't see a brace as optional
Me either. That's going on a vertical mount!
@@TechnologyHive Fortunately, 99.999% of the builds won't see more than a GPU as a add-in card, cause you either block all the expansion ports, or need a case almost as wide as it is tall to accormodate the size of the heatsinks.
Watercooling will become saner and saner as those heatsink keeps getting roided.
If GPUs of today were more efficient than an electric space heater we wouldn't be having this problem
@@connivingkhajiit 450w is now a thing. I remember when 150w was considered a power hog. But this was back in 2005 :)
@@TechnologyHive all of my cards have been 200w over the years. HD 7950 was 225W, RX580 was 225W (though i had it undervolted down to 120W), Arc A770 is 225W. I refuse to go higher.
The GPU should *REST* on the GPU support, the support should *NOT* be pushing up against the pci slot the other way in any way. Also as others have said you should try and put the GPU support in the middle of the GPU if you can.
Also yes I have zero idea why computer cases aren't made to have the CPU cooler and GPU be vertical nowadays. A huge oversight by them and is going to lead to death motherboards/GPUs as time goes on.
Imagine a world where foresight was the golden rule :) I wish ALL cases came with vertical mount as standard or full support correctly, and not close to the side panel which will restrict airflow to the gpu, causing overheating.
For the cpu cooler to be vertical, the mobo has to stay horizontal.
i mean there was the cooler master haf xb evo where the entire mobo was placed in a vertical position, adn that's the only one i heard about that has that setup. wish more cases had that tbh, looks much more stable imo
@@Iwantapplez109 The Cooler Master Elite 130, an oldie but goodie, is perfect for a vertical GPU setup. Granted first you'd have to find one for sale, and also you'd need a mini IT/X mobo.
GPUs have simply outgrown the ATX standard form factor and pcie x16 slot. Instead of add-in card slots we should have a dedicated pciex16 socket that connects with the back of the pcb. It would fix all the issues with board power and cooler clearance as well. PCIE SIG should have been working on this years ago.
@Ironclad17 They will not be changing things any time soon, sadly. Best thing to do is to out those heavy cards on a riser.
Or they push to much power to justify the big coolers for.marketing purposes, cos big is better, no?
Server GPUs don't need big "better" coolers, not RGB...
@BozesanVlad It's to keep GDDR6X cool. Nvidia learned from the 3000 series. Tones of these cards died due to memory temperature issues since GDDR6X runs hotter than regular GDDR6.
@@TechnologyHive Interesting, thank you, I didn't know that ADA4000 has DDR1 or DDR2 so is cooler...
Lesson learned from the past: at launch, *all GPUs had *BIG* coolers, than when the newer cards were launched, they manages to even put on the market GPUs with smaller coolers/ even without coolers.
They launch half baked arhitectures (GPUs and reference boards), and indeed *bigger is better* until the GPUs kill themselves or even kill the motherboard with it.
As alicence designer I know the concept to "wrap sh!* in gold " (packaging/ promotion/ marketing) to sell said s*@t
That's my only point in this regard, a personal opinion if you may..
ADA400 is SFF, doesn't need a HUGEEE cooler for marketing purposes tho:
"GPU Memory: 20GB GDDR6 with error-correction code (ECC)
Memory Bandwidth: Not explicitly mentioned, but implied to be high due to the 20GB GDDR6 capacity"
"Height: 2.7” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 4.4” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)
Length: 6.6” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 9.5” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)
Slot: Dual-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or single-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)
Power consumption: 70W (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or unspecified (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)"
As a side note, a bigger cooler/ shroud could eventually be bad for cooling in the end, even as temperatures. If they isolate the components, or are used bad pads, or the GPU itself heat the other components *through the "cooler" *. Another personal opinion.
I believe the support brackets are not stupid but I believe the problem is the user that is pushing the graphics card up to a point it's gonna slowly warp it and I believe the best way to do it is put your case on its side while using the support bracket inside to get the proper height.
Basically what this will do is the graphics card will just rest on the support bracket to negate the warping and graphics card sag, so this is how I do it and I never have problems also it's always best to have two supports instead of one, so what this means is you'd have one support on the Edge and the other support near the middle.
@HuddledEragon The real problem here is the weight of these newer cards. I the cards didn't weigh so much, there would be no need for such "supports". Even if you install the support before the gpu, eventually during hot-cold cycles, the pcb will twist due to the weight. The support will catch the sag and eventually in time leave the pcb bended. This is what I have been seeing with the cards coming in and talking to people that own them.
@@TechnologyHive Is the solution to mount the large cards vertically?
@@TechnologyHive I know about the weight and size of these graphics cards, because I have a Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF (352.9 x 158.2 x 72.6 mm) that I need to use a support bracket to make sure it rest its weight on it but I make sure I don't push it up so it doesn't bend the other way.
Plus I do not use a vertical mount and the main reason why is because the way how my AiO works is I need the tubes of the pump to be more downwards so if I vertical mount it will cause problems to the tubes, also I can't rotate the pump in a certain way because it will either hit the VRM heat sinks or the RAM slot because how thick they are.
So I have been thinking about either selling my Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF or for future projects, I would either replace it with a 7900 XT or with a 4080 super with a height at least 144 mm or a bit smaller than that so I can finally use my vertical mount.
And what about the cards with solid metal backplates. Do they help in reducing the warping? (I have an asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx and I am thinking about getting a vertical mount (or an additional support other than a lian li one
@@lauri9061 Yes. This will prevent sag, and thus warping of the PCB.
I have this RTX 4080 model from MSI and I don't use the support contraption included in the box. The cooler does integrate a reinforcing aluminum frame, bolted to the I/O shield that does the job of keeping the PCB from sagging, even when I move the PC case around my room. Just make sure to use all the three screw points to secure the card to the case mount.
@@Ivan-pr7ku I hope that works out well in the long run.
TLDR: User Error as usual.
@sparda9060 But, it should not be the case. The average person buying one of these things wants get it installed and get to using it. It's the way it should be. The error here having to add pillars or other supports to these now very heavy cards. One should not have to do that. Best way to protect your purchase is to put it on a riser. Done.
Not always that new connector nvidia is using is just objectively garbage.
@@Lynnfield3440 They had to fix the 8 pin connectors because they weren't broken enough 😅. So they fixed it by installing one that, when installed incorrectly, will just burn up your card.
@@TechnologyHiveWhat'd be your solution then? All cases or GPUs come with risers? Because reducing weigh isn't exactly feasible, at least I personally wouldn't want it at these power draws. Would require much louder fan speeds. I like my silent, thick radiators.
And for me a riser is not possible anyway, I have a tower cooler in an O11D Mini, can't fit a vertical card in there.
@@ZenTunE- If your case is small enough, set it on it's side, so the GPU is horizontally. Just a thought.
For that, I'm paranoid, so I bought a Y40 and put a hotwheels car to hold the end of the card too, because it goes down a bit and forces the riser PCI too.
I didn't know that, but it's pretty obvious, if you met the idea shown in the video.
@Manuzoka1996 I wouldn't put any pressure on the card, vertically or not. If the GPU is slightly raised on one end, just use a bit more padding under the riser, at the right side end of the under plate.
I have a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC, and have used the anti sag mount for 1-2 years. No issues, and I don't think there will be. It's a pain of a mount connected to the MB though, so you never want to add an SSD again. I think a screw at the bottom of a vertical gap stops it from sagging but doesn't push it upwards, just stops it from going downwards any further. I've seen people not happy with the MSI version though, and while I wouldn't say I'm happy with Gigabytes version since it is inconvenient, it does the job and seems safe based on visual, and 1-2 year usage.
I hope you will not have any issues later.
Real story: my pc didn’t boot with a gpu stand (5€ from Amazon).
Turned out it was pushing the card up to much. I lowered it 1 mm and now it’s fine.
Umm...if you installed your card and pushed up a bit too high with the gpu support and it failed to power on the first time, this is a red flag for me. That can be the result of broken solder joints under the GPU or memory. Even if its working now, it could be problem later. Just a heads up.
@@TechnologyHive oh well. Thanks. Might RMA that thing than just to be sure. and look into a vertical mount.
You can't RMA product you ruined yourself
@@club4ghz Very true. Unethical.
U we’re an idiot
The issue is people using them. My support bracket I did not put pressure on I placed it under on the bottom edge just the edge towards the front of my pc case glass. It's not touching a fan it's not pushing it up. Just placed it under. The issue is if I didn't my 14.1inch 4080 super strix was sagging like a mofo. Some you have to do it with lol.
I would rathet this effect overtime then my gpu touching the bottom of my case and the pcie connector being messed up. If you lay the support bracket under and dont put positive pressure its fine. It will lay on it slightly and its not pushing it back the other way. All gpu are made different also some have much harder outer cases much thicker metal cases and in those its much much harder to bend with a bracket.
As I have stated in many comments, hot/cold cycles will inevitably cause the PCB to twist or bend over time when installed horizontally. Supported or not. Customers have reported using supports for a few years and one day they try turning on their PC's just to be greeted by artifacts. If your card is heavy, use a vertical mount.
You can just lay down your case on its back panel if you have space in your room, so in that sense you gpu is in position like its vertically mounted.Though it will maybe make your thermals a bit worse, as the hot air rises, and it would usually rise right into the fans at the top of a pc case, but now its rising into the front panel.But if you have good air flow, i dont think it will be a problem.So... this is just my opinion, it may or may not be correct.Also i didn't read full comment section, so i dont know if anybody else said the same think, so i am not copying anyone, again this is just my opinion.
@N33508 Yeah, many have suggested the same. But like you pointed out, it creates another problem with heat.
Hello! Do you recommend any vertical mount specifically?
@@SpainSpace Yes, look up Phanteks vertical mount or Coller Master V3.
I've been using the Cooler Master Universal Vertical GPU Card Holder V3 with all my customers builds...very good bracket.....
Yup. That's one of my favourite ones. Easy to use also.
Im sorry, when you say riser do you mean the simple like rods that just lift up one corner? Magnet on the bottom and you slowly raise them up to fit underneath? Also, i couldnt find your video on this subject.
Thanks in advance!
@@RepublicofODLUM No no. A vertical riser mount, like the Phanteks riser mount or Cooler Master V3. Look those up.
@@TechnologyHive Thank you for the quick reply 🫡
That depends on the support used. XFX cards like the 7900XTX come with a Bracket support instead of a Pole Support.
@thelaughingmanofficial Nope. If installed horizontally, your card's pcb will, in time, begin to warp due to hot/cold cycles. Heavy cards need to go on a riser.
These latest cards are not the first to sag a lot and ppl were fine with having them horizontally for almost a decade. This is a lot of panic mongering.
@@tmsphere That is because for decades leaded solder was used. Today, everyone wants to go "green", and lead-free solder is being used. Lead-free solder is more brittle than leaded solder, and will crack easier.
I use leaded solder in all my repairs, and so far I have not had any reballs come back even on slightly warped PCB cards.
@@TechnologyHive A Bracket support is far more stable than a Pole mount. It's physics, it's not that hard to understand.
@@thelaughingmanofficial what would you consider a bracket support?
Hello I just got a hella expensive setup with a 4090 which is put horizantally. After learning about the sagging issue I ordered pole like support but now I see this video. I don’t really wanna change the case or the set up right now. Was wondering if I can just put my case horizantally on the desk, could that solve the problem ?
If you have the room, that will definitely fix the issue, yes. 👍
Bro just get a gpu support WITH a mini bubble spirit level. Basically these spirit levels are meant for detecting gpu sag and if you're applying too much pressure on your GPU with the bracket (so you can adjust it). It's really not that complicated lol
@@thelonercoder5816 A min bubble spirit? Never heard of that one. I will look that up :)
Maybe in many cases it is not the most elegant way, but placing the PC case horizontally on the table instead of vertically is a safe and probably the most economical way to prevent this problem, which is how I have used it with a GTX1080Ti since 2017. and zero problems, greetings and thanks for sharing your knowledge
@@sirdonkey3001 Thanks for watching 🙂!
The fact that the GPU format has kept the same way despite how INSANE theese chonkers are is proof that manufacturers don't care enough, afterall their benches are mounted sideways anyways, so if something goes wrong it clearly has to be the user's fault.... We need some real integrity to be added both to PCI slots and to graphics cards, especially since the shells on cards seem to get cheaper and cheaper every time. I get that it'd be a massive shame to require a new format mobo to use a modern GPU but i bet that users would rather update their whole system and not be paranoid about their hardware not being capable of widthstanding itself. It makes more sense than ever now to use the vertical mounting for the GPU that some cases have literally just to preserve it rather than even caring about aesthetics
I agree with you. And these repairs are not cheap. And cracked PCI-e slots are not something I offer as a repair any more either. So if it breaks, its toast or someone else can take on it. But it will never be the same.
How much that thermal cycling is effecting this?
I have 4090 and it's idling around 45C.
Remember some of my "old cards" 1080Ti or 2080Ti was idling around 50-60C and under load about 80C. So smaller dT between gaming/idle and using 24/7 it won't drop back to 22C unless i do some maintenance. Can't remember what was 3090 idle temps.
Changing temperature is always mechanical stress to solder balls.
It really depends on how much stress the PCB is under. If the card is sagging a lot, the core or memory chips may develop cracked joints sooner or later. My 4090 idles at the same temperature. It is normal.
@@TechnologyHive I added that support what come with gpu and adjusted it when I was building it so it should be in ok place. Maybe need to check if lock screw was tightened right in that and it's height haven't changed.
Also no space for vertical adapter because all accessible pcie slots are in use.
I know this is a late comment and I'm not sure if you will still see it to respond. If a riser cable then guarantees you to get no gpu sag at all, what would be the best case/airflow configuration for a airflow build. I was looking and finally found the Antec Flux pro and the case seems really really good for a airbuild and horizantal mount(I have not bought the case yet), and currently I own a 4090 msi trio x gaming and was thinking of getting a gb-001 horizantal support bracket that attaches to the motherboard for that case whenever I do get it.
With a riser what would be the best case then since wouldn't the airflow from the gpu be hindered a bit, since the hot air would be hitting the back of the case instead of going up and out of the case immediately and since every single case reviewer I see, says the same thing about air not liking to move in 90 degree patterns, is there a case that is optimal for a riser cable airflow build? Also what is the specific riser cable I should buy then, since I've been using a gpu vertical support bracket from the msi suprim x 3090, for my 4090.
@lovie74 The best case for a Phanteks vertical mount is the G500. Hands down the best case for the money. It supports 420mm AIOs as well.
@TechnologyHive I see that's nice I'll look into it. I personally don't like aios at all I'd rather just have a optimal airflow build with a noctua nhd15 g2. Since that is as good as any aio for ryzen cpus from all the benchmarks I've seen of that air-cooler vs aios.
Also was the main issue for people horizontal GPU mounts because they put it at the end? Like how about if you supported it somewhat in the middle and end so it's just fully supported horizontally since I don't mind how my build looks ngl, I don't care about asthetics at all just most quiet case fans which is why I use noctua fans and best performance.
@@lovie74 i would rather just get a vertical mount. you can support it as you see fit as it is your property. but these cards are too heavy to be installed horizontally. as i write this, i have 5 cards here with cracked joints under the core, cracked PCB's and memory pads ripped. all this is common in cards installed horizontally.
@@TechnologyHive if there is this many issues with these. I wonder if Nvidia will be able to do anything in the future with the 5090 to support it more since I feel like it will be even heavier...
I'll try to look into vertical mounting since I've never done it and it always looked riskier to me back when they were just pcie 3.0. Since it always looked scary to hold a GPU that's heavy vertically like that butz im assuming it's safer now or more advanced than years ago
@@TechnologyHive I looked into it a bit, and you were right like everything you said in your video also the wobble and GPU sag seems to be fixed with vertical mount besides some really heavy cards still somehow sagging with vertical mounts from some other videos I've binged.
Jayztwocents recommended the coolermaster riser cable and alot of people online have to since it's adjustable and seems to hold graphic cards well.
I am curious on your recommendation for a vertical GPU mount for a MSI gaming trio x 4090 or does it not matter aslong it's its a vertical mount? Sorry about typing so much but for a year I've used a GPU support bracket for a my 4090 and I bought it used for 1200 USD( never had problems with it) but, not I'm getting worried since I don't want it to die on me early. Sorry for all the replies and questions.
Do lay flat the case help?
Yes that helps if you have the room on your desk.
Hi, sorry for stupid question, but wouldn't it be "simpler" to just have a case lying on side (like a rack), without need for any risers and vertical mounts?
Yes that is absolutely fine. Not a stupid question btw. If you have the room on your desk, that will fix the issue. Done. 🙂
ok, well a riser is a bit pricey to me, do you have any more... budget options?
@Sell_Sec Look up the Phanteks riser for around 50 bucks. Very well worth it if you have a large, expensive card.
My old card was sagging like crazy because it had no backplate and it was still alive and showed no signs of core or memory breaking off the pcb after 4 years of intense use. How do these newer cards break with a little sag upwards? That's crazy
@NotReallyLaraCroft Older cards used leaded solder, which is less prone to cracking. Today they use lead-free solder, which it's more brittle.
Hello so I have a glu support and I put it up below my 7900xtx to make it level so is that badm im getting a hyte case soon
What about a three point support. Front, rear and center.
@shojingod you can try it sure. But ultimately, nothing replaces a riser vertical mount setup.
The problem is that with coolers that heavy even with vertical mounts the gravity still is in action and naturally the card wants to flip. I had a 5700XT which sat vertically 3 years and it bent a little. Not as severe, it works fine, but also its cooler is not as heavy as on 4080 shown here. The new GPUs got so power hungry that If we don't get some technology breakthrough which will reduce the power consumption we are going to end up with a GPU external box next to a small PC case :)
Looks like we're headed that way. The RTX 5090 is rumoured to pull even more power than the 4090.
This is incorrect use of GPU support, blame the user not the tool
It's both. User fault and design.
@@TechnologyHive Nope, 35 year tech here. This is a new issue of course but from the majority of cases I've come across the only serious issue is no support at all. Properly used brackets will not cause an issue so long as the GPU isn't being forced upward aggressively. The gpu should have only the slightest amount of sag while resting on a bracket, the bracket is designed to support and prevent sag fractures not to strong arm the gpu into the roof and force fractures in the opposite direction. Most folks dont have vertical mount capabilities which is fine if the bracket option is used correctly. I actually never thought this would be a problem but Gamers never cease to amaze me how easy they destroy their systems as a result of no cognitive function.
@animalyze7120 Mr. 35-year tech, the issue is both. User related and design. A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves. Also, I do not blame them since these heavy and long gpus are getting ridiculous at this point that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports. This has been my observation and what people who own the cards are telling me.
@@TechnologyHive
*_"A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves."_*
Yeah, and? That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use support if you know what you're doing. You have such weird logic all the time.
*_"that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports"_*
Yeah, and? Then tell them how to support them properly, instead of telling people not to use them. Your comments are so dumb, there is absolutely no logic in many of them.
@@JD99-zj3gq Do you take any medications?
This problem could be totally resolved if $1000 GPU's all came with AIO coolers. Considering the price, they all should.
They wouldn't want to do that because of failure rates. Adding an AIO to a whole series of cards would yield higher RMA's. They will always take the cheaper route, sadly.
So you want a 1100$ gpu instead of a 1000$ GPU.
AIB partners make little money off of graphics cards. It’s largely Nvidia that is pocketing most of the money
It is almost like the cards were designed to work in vertical position…
@@watchbreaker1706 Funny also how most of the cards I have here for repair are pass their warranty.
AIO coolers bring their own set of issues like being prone to premature failure.
Would multiple anti sag supports resolve the problem. For example one motherboard bracket and two supports on the outside? I don't have the space for vertical gpu mounting.
It may. It is a lot better than no support or using one that is inadequate.
Can you provide a link to a reasonably priced riser/vertical mount? Have you seen problems with dual fan (shorter) cards?
www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Vertical-Bracket-220mm-Riser/dp/B0C12YP357
You can buy it here or anywhere you want. I am not affiliated with Amazon.
@@TechnologyHive thanks. Also wondering if getting a shorter card is good enough.
@@mikegraham4255 lighter rather than shorter would be best 👌 👍🏼
I do not like risers I prefer good case I use Cooler master HAF XB EVO, mainboard is installed horizontally and my GPU vertically. One down side they stop making them 10 years ago.
@kkrolik2106 Ah, they don't make them like they used to, do they? That's a nice set up.
@@TechnologyHive I use this same Case and CPU cooler Noctua D14 for over 10 years already. Case weight a lot more compared to modern one quite thick steel sheets used. I still use Hot swap HDD bays :)
Personally I lay the PC flat on my side so the GPU is not sagging and then set the GPU support height so it just barely touches the GPU without exerting pressure. I've found this to be the only way to set the height properly.
I'm using the slot for the vertical mount as the passthrough to the external radiator (custom watercooling) and changing the layout would be a huge pain...
@@Steamrick I think that is better than having your heavy card sagging.
Wouldn't a support that props up the top & bottom of the card at the opposite of the business end of the graphics card do the job. Not that vertical mount aren't a great idea, just some cases can't use them (or add-on cards block the use of vertical mounting hardware)?
@bokami3445 If someone is going to spend that much money on a heavy card, it should also be mounted on a vertical mount to account for the weight. Horizontal mount supports are a bad idea for these heavy, long cards.
Hey, love the video and the advice, will 100% consider it for my next build. What would you say is the best bet for a twin GPU setup for artists that need the extra computing power?
@pxgstudios I would find a "cube" type of case you can set on its side. This way both gpus are vertically.
Would you recommend vertical mounting a msi 4090 gaming x slim card ? They are a bit smaller but would it benefit in the long run to have it vertical apposed to horizontal mounting. I have had mine horizontal for the last year and it seems fine I bought a 3rd party gpu brace when I picked up the card as well.
@Brandobandito Yes, absolutely 💯.
do i need to vertical mount specificly an rtx 4070super Gigabyte gaming oc model?
If its a 3 fan card, and heavy, I would use a riser.
@@TechnologyHive it is a three fan but i dont know whats considered heavy since the only other card i ever held was a single fan 2060
@@SouthernGecko56 That's a big card. I'd get a Phanteks vertical mount for it. Easy to install.
Is this an 7900XTX MERC310 next to the box?
How did it get dmged, by the included steel support beam?
i got one, and with the support bracket you can k177 someone.... so massiv this thing is
and this pcb is bent, because of bad localisation of the support. maybe 1 is not enough
maybe you need 2?
@daegaraf898 The card is 6950 XT. It had a broken pcie slot, cause during transport and the card being installed on the PC. That's a big no no with these heavy cards.
@@TechnologyHive surly is, but who's so stupid?
@@daegaraf898 It is very common. I get these cards in a lot.
@@TechnologyHive pre builds i guess...
Im not a fan of vertical mounts due to the issues with them I heard online.
Will I be fine with properly mounting the support bracket so it stays level with the card, resting the card on it instead of pushing up? What about a mount that extends from the PCIE mount? like the uphere gpu support bracket
What you've heard online about vertical mounts does not apply to 3rd party vertical mount kits, like the one I use in the video.
You can try supports as you see fit, but ultimately, vertical mount for large heavy cards is the best you can do.
Would using a raiser/vertical mount potentially cause other issues? Having all the weight just hanging off one side couldn’t be good either or am I missing something? 🤔
I have yet to hear issues stemming from using a riser vertical mount properly. Btw, the card's weight is not "hanging" off any side. The card should be installed into the PCI-e slot on the riser, and screwed in place at the IO side. This is the best setup for your card.
Is there a way to have it horizontal and not cause damage. I was thinking if you put the pc case on its back so the gpu is perfectly level then with no screws in the gpu put the bracket up enough to touch the bottom on the perfectly level gpu then screw in screws and after put the pc upright wouldn't that be a great way
If your PC case fits on your desk on it's side, then go for it.
@@TechnologyHive is the planteks gpu mount able to fit in lian li 216 do you think
@blocky623 I am not sure. But so far it has fit in every case I have tested it in.
It's not just user error, but the support that comes with the card doesn't have any guide how to install them so people go with theit own assumption how to install them.
My support actually doesn't fit into my case so it's literally outside of it standing next to my case, but will adjust the height based on this. I do plan to buy a new case that can fit the cables and will try to get one where i can mount vertically to prevent this issue
@@ProfRoxas Your card will thank you 🙂
Hey, I have Asus Dual RTX 4060, it isn't that big and heavy, so do I need to worry about sag?
@@Iosis07 No. If it's a 3 fan card, I'd put it on a riser. If not, it should be fine.
@@TechnologyHive it is dual fan. Ok thank you.
Sagging has been a common thing since Nvidias 8000 series :P Joke aside sag isnt really a problem, it just happens to be more visible on some cards often dependant on cooler/VRM cooling being seperate. Its simply a result of recurring long term thermal expansion and retraction of the PCB :) It will happen even to cards with full "sandwich" coolers (full coverage + backplate)
That said, adding a support bracket that provides support on a too small surface area of the PCB, is very much a dumb idea xD cos well.. math dictates it xD applying any pressure to small points on the PBC will effect how the PBC will bend over time.
I never got why people use these support brackets, simply put, you are just moving the pressure point by adding a new point, in many cases to a small surface point. Its not fixing anything.
Given the heavy cards nowadays, i would claim after some max 6 months, you would need to re-adjust the bracket to ensure the increased pressure from natural sag on the bracket is released xD
Some of us don't dilude ourselves that a 1.5kg card can sit on a thin pcie slot and not crack over time. It's not just visually unpleasant, your pcb really is twisting like that.
So if the support makes it just tip the other way, wouldn't two adjustable supports be better and having them kind of barely touch than having a single size that might push it too much? Best of couse for use consumer would be not having to use supports cause of size (which understandable might be easier said than done). This is just a thought for those who might like the traditional mount.
I am kind of trying for a "conversation" rather than a "oh you stupid"-thing
@danieleriksson990 The problem is that half the card length is comprised of heatsink in most cases. If you place the support in the middle or at the end of the card, you will still have the weight problem. The pcb will still warp and the lead-free solder used on these newer cards will crack easily and cause artifacts or just a dead card.
What about a vertical orientation like in the sup01 case or the xtia open case/stand? Are the pros and cons different?
As long as the card is not in horizontal position, you should be fine.
@@TechnologyHive I read something recently about thermal problems if vertically mounting gpus with the i/o pointing upwards but didn't understand why and didn't follow up on it.
@@Eric-un2oq That is if you install the card vertically near the side panel. You chock the card out of airflow like that. But using a 3rd party mount is a different story. Works perfectly.
From a structural point of view a support with a beam that supports the entire length of the gpu spreading the load in a even way should be a good design although probably more expensive.
Look for the Phanteks vertical mount riser.
What do you think about Lian Li O11D-1X-4 for Lian Li O11 AIR MINI? Will Phanteks/Cooler master will fit into this case?
@@NameUserOf Both of these vertical mounts are universal. But I think there is also a vertical mount specifically designed for certain Lian Li cases. I'd look into that also.
@@NameUserOf Both of these vertical mounts are universal. But I think there is also a vertical mount specifically designed for certain Lian Li cases. I'd look into that also.
I had my GPU support bracket pushing the GPU up because I thought that would be better, after watching this I put my PC horizontally and adjusting the bracket so that it's half a millimeter away from the GPU so that when it's vertical it would just rest on it. Hopefully I haven't damaged anything during the 3 months I had it pushing up. Thanks for the video.
I hope all is well with your card. It is not well known, this problem. So I am glad to see people taking interest and acting to correct the problem before its too late. Cheers!
@@TechnologyHive Yeah, people usually talk about GPU sag, it was just by chance that I saw a comment on reddit linking to your video and decided to watch.
@@npc8464 Well, thanks for coming over to watch the video 🙂
this only applies to triple fan cards right? my 2060 super (msi gaming x model) only has 2 fans but its hefty - its held up by a plastic pipe in the middle atm so i wonder if a vertical mount would work better here
this applies to any heavy graphics card. but you have to use common sense here also.
right 😅 its still working at the end of the day
Unfortunately in my setup I don't have the option of a vertical setup.
If you're card is an expensive one, and heavy, a new case may help.
@TechnologyHive For what it's worth, all cards are expensive in my opinion, even the 3060 Strix I snagged in the Newegg shuffle. Plus I got other expansion cards in my system as well.
@@SOU6900 Ah a 3060 is not so expensive in case it does bite the dust. And if you are well established in your system, a move to a new one may just turn out to be a headache.
@TechnologyHive 😆 It was expensive back then because I was on fast food level pay, but that was then. If need be, I can pull my expansion cards and move the m.2 from the x4 card to the motherboard, but I don't know how much it will affect the gpu to go from 16 lanes to 8. If I recall, Cooler Master makes a conversion bracket anyway that I can toss in my case as well since it's also a CM product.
@@SOU6900 That cooler master vertical is excellent. I made a video on it. Great choice if you go for it.
im using those cheap bolt type, no issue..dont put right to the edge put it just before the a little after the end of the pcie slot and dont set it to push the gpu up just let the gpu rest on the thing
Just keep an eye on the PCB. Cold/hot cycles after a while will warp the PCB if not supported correctly. Even so, I still recommend vertical mounting. But I do understand not everyone is able to do so. Just keep an eye on it :)
@@TechnologyHive thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye on it or later move on to vertical mount...my old case can't vertical mount as gpu kinda thick but got a new case today that is able to. Vertical mount surely the better way for these big long thick GPU
@ahwai82 Yes sir. Just to protect your purchase.
i used a block of cardboard (square tube) to "prop" the card so it doesnt sag ... i experienced worstening of temps after few months period. relieving the "stress" lowered the hotspot for 4-5C so its not spiking over 105 on 4k load. But its so bad that i fully expect to either change the card or "repad" "repaste" the card...
Take care of your HW folks.
Makes then more sense to put a Grafikcard vertical?
@Neosid88 Yes that's the best solution.
@@TechnologyHive Ty thats helps a lot. Most likey because i just buoght a 7900 XTX =D
What kind of monitors did you have in this video?
@Mr17Andrew17 All are Samsung. One is 4k 32", the curved one is 2k 32". I can't remember the model names.
@@TechnologyHive Got it, thanks)
that looks like overpushed support on the corner (user improper use)
because where is lower its on the braket side where it screws on the chassis
i did think about that too once but not for that issue but for the radiator to have a balanced weight support
@@speedydanny4624 I got 7 cards with the exact same issue in for repair. It's a common problem with heavy gpus.
the off the shelf suppors can cause it to bend I 3d printed a groot figure that supports the whole card not just the back half full support or no support is best in my opinion
@robertking3090 Too bad TH-cam doesn't allow for pictures to be posted in the comments so we can see your 3D printed support. Sounds interesting.
I have a question. I have a very short pcb compared to the plastic cooling part. I bought one of these Amazon Magnetic GPU brackets. I Placed it under the Gpu. How do I distinguish the tiny "crack" noise from pcb crack. Could it came from the metallic heatsink. Because as I said the pcb is very short so it shouldnt be affected by it. Its an pny xlr8 4070 ti super pcb.
@@earth-616universe4 Sorry I did not understand your question. What noise from what crack??
When I inserted the magnetic gpu bracket under the gpu I heard a tiny "crack" like noise. I am not sure if it came from the pcb (hope not, because the pcb itself of the pny xlr8 4070 Ti Super is very short compared to other models). I didnt even touch that area. But could it also come from the metallic heatsink?
@@earth-616universe4 When you install any support under the GPU, you're supposed to loosen the graphics card from the case, then add the support under the GPU. Do not slide any support under that graphics card while it is screwed on to the case, or you will cause stress on the PCB, thus warping it and potentially causing long term damage.
So I should first of all remove the GPU from the motherboard. Then place the supporting bracket under the gpu and install the gpu to the case. How durable are PCBs from PNY or in general? Because I heard a similar "cracking" noise when I inderted the gpu for the first time into the motherboard even when I did it gently.
I can't estructuraly understand how a CPU would detach from the board in a vise grip configuration. the cold Plate is being Forced Down the CPU and the Board together by the CPU Screw mount
Easily done, by hot/cold cycles and adding just a bit of resistance on either side of the card. The lead-free solder which is much more brittle than leaded solder will then crack in time, and cause disconnect between the board and the GPU core.
They’re raising the GPU’s like jacking up a car lol
@superpandabacon That is the worst thing to do. To add the support AFTER the card is screwed in. Guaranteed to cause problems later
I think I have seen the absolute best, and ugliest solution. A person had installed top quality fans on a row, straight under the GPU fans. Then did he cut out tubing that was from a bottom fan to a GPU fan, holding the entire card as three hollow pillars with lots of air going straight into the GPU fans.
@@friedmule5403 As long as it gets the job done 😅
That’s why I recommend Thermaltake CTE cases. No need for GPU bracket.
@@Typhon888 I have not seen one of these. I'll look it up 👍🏼
theres added bracket for support for my MSI 4070 Ti Gaming X Slim. I use it and i want to ask is it a good support?
I can't comment on your particular case. I can only recommend that if you have a big card, like the one I show here in this video, please put it on a riser if you can.
I have my bracket screws loose (about a half turn from tight) with a support holding it up just a hair, it's worked just fine for me for the past year and a half.
@user-lx1nh7gg8o I hope it works out for you in the long run.
My Palit card came with a different support mechanism. It’s basically a stick that I screw onto the heat sink. How will that bend the card the other way if it’s just resting on the heat sink and not being raised up by it?
@YAAMW If they provide support for the card, it's because it's heavy. In that case, I'd use a riser. Check out the Cooler Master V3.
I noticed this with my 4080 Gaming OC and now I have 3 GPU supports with the card perfectly leveled, kind off. But that's just me.
@club4ghz I'd still try to look for a vertical mount. But hey, that's just me. These cards are too expensive and I get then in for repair often due to the same problem. Sag.
@@TechnologyHive I know. I noticed it started bending in the middle even with gigabyte support bracket installed so I removed it and made 3 stick like supports out of wood with rubber ends and I had to adjust their position over time to straighten the pcb back how it was. It still has slight bend, not much upwards in the corner where the power connector is but I can't do anything about it anymore. I got the core area perfectly straight, and I will be checking for changes once in a while
@@club4ghz hope that works out for you! But these heavy cards just need to be vertically installed.
Imo the sag is way worse. My card is pretty beefy and the sag was visible, during the repasting I even noticed how the board itself is bent a little. Bought a stand and set it up no to try and level it completely but rather just a tiny bit higher than the bottom point of the sag. Temperatures are better and the card is working fine, I am not saying vertical wouldnt be better but its out of the question in my case and in many other cases as the space for vertical mount is usually a 2-slot but the cards today are easily 3-3.5 slot and even if it would fit the clearance from the side panel would be little to none which would create even worse heating problems.
No no. You would buy a vertical mount from Phanteks, or Cooler Master V3 riser. DO NOT use the case's own vertical option. That sets your card too close to the side panel. It will not work.
@@TechnologyHive I know about these solutions, however those are sometimes not compatible with PCI expansion cards. Only the once that allow flexible positioning might work in that scenario. In my case some of those wouldnt even fit as I am using 2x120mm fans on top of PSU shroud.
Agree. the only position i will use for my gpu is vertical or 90 degree.
That's where it should be! Nicely done!
Sir, do you know the proper thermal pads sizes of sapphire pulse rx 6700xt . Ny card is going 80 degrees and hotspot more that 95 degrees , it’s quite good for my 35-40 degree room temperature 😂. Still wanna know cuz i want to change the pads and paste.
@@TheBigguy187cm A quick Google search should give you the answer for the thermal pad question.
Why people still using heavy gpu horizontally instead vertically mount?
no need gpu support and safe from gpu sag
@saijyo8549 And you keep your cards from technicians' hands ✋️
Some stands/brackets come with a sim
I like the look of them mounted with a riser cable. Have done it on my current and last GPU. I do have a little magnetic post that I put under the shroud between the gpu and the case vertical mounting so it prevents sag because I use a Thermaltake core P3 and because of the design of that case the mounting bracket for vertical gpu mounts isn’t supported as well as a full on enclosed PC case.
If you're going to spend so much money on a heavy graphics card, put it on a riser.
I have a ROG Stix 4080 and it is massive. I did have it on a riser for a while but it just wasn't getting good air flow making my whole setup hot. I did notice that the mounting bracket on the card is connected to the whole case of the card so it is pretty solid when connected straight to the mobo. I have it in there now with no support and it doesn't have any sag.
I hope it works out for you in the long run.
@@TechnologyHive after watching this video I'll probably switch back just as insurance. I just hope it will miss my pcie to usb e adapter card
Thank you for making this video brother. I ran a poll and most of the users still want to mount horizontally. This video will show the outcome of mounting horizontally. There are myths amongst users that there is a performance drop. I don't know how this myth settled in. I think there is a need for a video that shows the performance difference between mounting GPU vertically and horizontally. I used my GPUs vertically and saw no performance drops. The only way forward is to mount it vertically to save the GPU.😁
@frazerxavier7295 That's 💯% a myth. The only way vertical mount can affect the gpu performance is if they mount it using the PC case vertical mount position which is typically close to the side panel, which restricts airflow to the card.
I am not talking about that option. I'm talking about vertical mount as on a 3rd party riser, as you and I know. Too many cards are coming in for repair with this new issue. It's ridiculous, really.
@@TechnologyHive absolutely. More than half of memory error repairs I do is because of cracked solder joints or ripped pads under memory or core. 😁
@@frazerxavier7295 Same here 😆
@@frazerxavier7295 some gpu have vapor chambers optimized for horizontal mounting.
The problem, is that j have had the sliding down of thermal paste from the core (not istantanely, bat after a couple of months) mounting gpu in vertical position ... and so core hotspot hitting 100°. It's better mount the gpu in horizontal position (imho)
I think the gpu supports that screw all the way from the external expansion slot would be better as it does a more evenly distributed force of raising up the card would it be not?
@neltlen No no. Those are the worst. Try looking for a decently priced gpu vertical mount, like the one made by Phanteks.
So you rather want a broken pcie connector?
seems more like its been over supported.... I've been running a 7900xtx with a support for over a year now no issues, and its on almost 24/7
@@Denbot.Gaming I hope 🙏 it lasts for a long time.
@@TechnologyHive well its supported at one end by the case and the other end by the bracket, I do have it on the face of the GPU, seems to be keeping it perfectly flat
@@Denbot.Gaming I hope it works out for ya 🙂
@@TechnologyHive I spotted something when doing my system service, you know dusting, new paste etc.... the GPU actually makes contact with the DIMM socket clips, I wonder if that is contributing to some of them bending/twisting
@Denbot.Gaming That could be. Hard to say without looking myself.
I understand; I should position the GPU vertically if it is heavy. Thank you.
@@NeuroViktori That's it 😊👍🏼
What weight (max) the gpu should be such that it doesn’t need a riser. I mean after what max weight gpus start to sag?
@@StudyWithNika I think common sense comes into play here. My rule of thumb is that if the card is longer than my motherboard is wide, and it takes 2.5 pci slots, it goes on a riser. But this is just me.
I usually see them attached via pcie cable extender for that reason I assume
Yes, that's vertical mount.
Use 3x supports evenly placed ?
I would just go with a 3rd party vertical mount riser.
Should the brace be in the middle then I would like resolution man 🙂↕️
I would prefer having it on a riser. Safest way for heavy cards. Look up Cooler Master V3 vertical mount.
I gót my Rtx 3070 and i dont ever need to use gpu sag bracket cuz gpu was 3 slot but whole gpu hat front amd back made from metal and all it was mounted with scrzes and belived or not all it hold up togeather perfectly 3scrues was enough and there was no sag. I upgrade to rx 7900gre and this is also samé size gpu slightly more heavy but i noticed that this gpus sag quite a lot even tho gpu is made very well is allso metal conected directly to cooler so its very good but i noticed very small sag and i mesured it with digital measuring tool and its give mé basicly 4mm low on the right side sooo i get my hands and start looking for some stuff and i find really cheap full metal bracket with rubber stads and there was multiple sizes and one that you can actually made your own custom so i pick it up it was Like 12 eur plus shipping as i said very cheap but it does what is should i made it inytentionally still lIttle bit low on right side around 0.2mm to bé exact so i dont pushing it up more than enough so yeah bracket is great tuff and you need it plus you dont need rizer cable at all brakes is fine you just need to use it cirrectly and definitelly IF you buy gpu it allways costly item make sure you buy support for it cuz as it mention in video when this things broke its nôt cheap thing to repair and almost all shops will avoid to repay you and they void your varanty for sure cuz this is gonna bé mechanic al damage.
@eikbolha5883 This is why I made the video, to bring this to people's attention. Many cards are dying due to their weight and sag or using supports the wrong way. Best to use a riser. Thanks for watching btw 😊
@@TechnologyHive sure mate some manufucters even include brackets into paccage Like gigabyte Rtx 4080superr
@@eikbolha5883 I hope this will one day become the standard for these heavy cards. I get a lot of them in for repair here due to the same issues.
@@TechnologyHive probably not cuz cheaper gpus just gonna bé Like this long tíme and expensive ones well asus háve allready making new gpu without cabels just full PCB connect ión Like Rtx 4060 mini but this is Rtx 4090 hugeeeeee hahahah but that fix main issue with faulty connector but create yett another one cuz that gpu from asus is massive hugge heat sing also i see reports that using that mamuth without sag bracket even for a week or so create cracks on PCB around 16 pin connection. Rizer is good way to fix this but as many other users samé mé i cant use Rizer there are no holes for it also my case is older design and this woukd just not work cuz i have massive cpu Air cooler, just over all many users dont using raizer cuz its actually také more space IF you rotate gou6and IF you have smaller or older case Like i do well you wont bé able to fit it there. IF i change while case one Day maybe than i Will try that but so far i dont háve intention to do that cuz everything is fitted soo fine that there is basicly no space left also im not touch Ing cable management ever again on this build i made it soo nice it took mé 3 hours ró rewire most of the cables to look diecent.
Have been using gpus with and without support brackets for many years and from my perspective I believe sometimes people just install or use them wrong from what I have seen and experienced but the case with the modern supports is the fact that it might be too much sometimes
It is a combination of both, heavy cards and people not knowing how to properly install them. AIB partners do not include manuals explaining people how to properly use the included supports or people just overdoing it.
After this video i buyed the cooler master v3 and now i have my 4080 in vertical mount :).
When the gpu was horizontal, i noticed that the support's positiion after a while moved outside. It was like the pressure, was making the support move.
Thanks :)
@xSup3rGtIVx Nice! The V3 is a nice vertical mount also. It's one of my favorites.
So, would it be better if I used two GPU support rods-one in the middle and one at the end?
@@meiaihara-il9ox It would be better on a 3rd party riser, like the Phanteks vertical mount.
I have a low end gpu. A 6600XT. Basically as just a frame buffer. As an enthusiast I much rather see efficiency being the goal rather than the current brute force approach. This includes AMD, Intel, Nvidia. The power consumption of cpu's and gpu's today is terrible. Don't get me started on the size of the four slot cards.
I like the 6600XT. Aside from it being limited to PCI-e X8 Gen 4, you must have a 4.0 Gen PCI-e to not have it bottlenecked by Gen 3.0 X8. That would suck.
Will having the support more to the middle of the card make any difference?🤔😏
Not really, because the actual PCB's for most of these heavy cards is about half the length of the heatsink. So installing it in the middle does not really fix the problem. A riser does.
What do you recommend for those of us who need access to the rest of our pcie slots?
@cameronfrye5514 If you can lay your PC case on its side, this will remedy the problem. Or a cube case.
@cameronfrye5514 If you can lay your PC case on its side, this will remedy the problem. Or a cube case.
After watching several vids of ppls pcb's cracking w/ GPU supports I bought a new case for my 4090 a month after I bought it. I run the case horizontally which allows my gpu to sit down directly into the mobo in the vertical position removing any stress on the pcb. I don't like the idea of using a gpu mount w/ a pcie extension cable; I prefer the peace of mind of a direct mount into the mobo pcie slot. I also run 4 temp probs on my gpu pwr plug to monitor the temps in case it starts to push to high I can shut it down. My plug temps while gamein CP2077 4K full PT runs at about 40C and idles at 32C.
Such an annoyance w/ these gpu's w/ all the potential pitfalls one can run into if they're not careful as it can turn into a crazy expensive mistake.
Good move! You can be sure you wont be having cracked joints under your GPU core or memory this way. Happy GPU :)
I think when GPU size outgrows ATX and even E-ATX standards, why not design a new form factor to get rid of sagging altogether? I mean a new attachment mechanism demonstrated on OAM accelerator cards in servers and memory board on CAMM2 should solve this. It shall be based on LGA attachment mechanism of GPU PCB, and OAM form factor, and new wind tunnel replicating typical workstation CPUs do.
The problem is not the cases or motherboards. The problem is the GPU's themselves. They are getting too heavy, all due to GDDR6X running hot. Board partners recycle heatsinks, so they end up putting them on cards that really do not need such heavy heatsinks, just to cause problems later.
@@TechnologyHive I am wondering how to make lightweight yet still have great thermals for video cards. What I know of OAM attachment mechanism is pure stability and durability. Maybe one way shall be use of carbon fiber, or go back to turbo blower.
@@jimmyjiang3413 ...or use a GPU riser, like the Phanteks: www.amazon.com/Phanteks-Vertical-Bracket-220mm-Riser/dp/B0C12YP357
They have done cases where you can place the gpu on the case front now, like a radiator or like a distro plate.
But i would maybe do that on the top of the case, couse you usually take fresh cold air from the front, and hot air goes to the top by default.
This leaves you more room for other devices into your motherboard that are not so heavy.
Another fix could be: Lets start demanding horizontical computers again ?
Then the sag would be towards the motherboard.
What if I have like 2 or 3 RTX 4090 tho, how do I mount them all vertically? And there is the cooling performance as well. Also if I install them vertically but use multiple supports to spread the gravity pull even will that work? Thank you in advance!
Your situation is a different case.
Bought a ASUS 4070 TUF a while back and it had a support that came with it but I found it really flimsy to deal with. Greg Salazar actually recommended a support that works really well from Lian-Lee as it fixes on to the motherboard and case. One thing I did do was make sure I installed the card and support with the PC on it's side. That way I can see where the support needs to go to better support and just gently rest on the card. If the support was tight to the card causing it to rise i'd say that's where you get thermal flexing under serious load which as bad as card sag with no GPU support. Ideally I would recommend vertical mount if you can afford it but it would also need to have decent airflow as depending on how big the card is, the closer you are to the tempered glass the less air to the GPU you get. Also could be another reason for horizontal cases to make a come back like what I had with my old 386 back in the day
@stretchable4647 No no. Don't install it vertically using your case vertical mount. Buy a 3rd party mount, like that by Phantkes.
@@stretchable4647 so you don't recommend using the support that comes in the box?
Yeah except if you don't use one with the size of the cards these days your pcie slot gets damaged like mine did and forced me to get a gpu support so my bottom one doesn't get damaged either..
The PCIe slots get damaged real bad during transport, if the card is installed. Both, the slot and card can be damaged.
I was getting black screens with my ROG 6700xt when i first brought it. Then i opened the case i pushed the GPU a bit to the slot and i screwed the GPU card with the PCIE case screws really tight. Haven't had a black screens since.
Should that be alright? I had this GPU since Christmas 2022. I got it in basically new condition despite being called used on ebay from the seller lol.
@@The_One_Eyed_Rouge If it was failing before, chances are the card is already damaged.
@@TechnologyHive ehh I doubt it. I just didn't had the GPU all the way in the slot. I broke my motherboard PCIE clip, but I heard it's not really a problem as long you push the GPU in the slot and screw in the GPU with the pcie case screws. I didn't do that at first, but it stopped after I did that process.
I guess it depends on how strong your pcie card slot is and ur case pcie screws as well to hold the GPU. I had this GPU for like a year. So it's fine now at least i think so. I undervolted my GPU anyway to make it last longer. 6000 series run pretty hot and use a lot of power.
@@The_One_Eyed_Rouge Well, then that might be it!
Let me add my comment backing up most of what I've read: user error. Install the GPU, DO NOT screw it to the case yet, and install the support making sure the card is just RESTING on it (as horizontal as possible). THEN screw to case.
GPU supports are great, especially for larger cards, if used properly... which I hadn't even considered they coul dbe used improperly.
@@emp1985 Or you could just spend the extra time and money and buy a 3rd party riser vertical mount and protect your purchase. Done.
I bought a MSI 2070 Super in 2019 and it came with a support bracket. I never used it and I never had an issue with my GPU. But I don't buy GPU's with 3 fans because I don't like how long they are. Just install your GPU as recommended and you will probably be fine. That or just buy the smaller GPU's.
@wulfone5961 2 fan gpus are nice in that sense. No worries there IMO.