From what I have seen, it's both. Hot/cold cycles will eventually warp the pcb of installed horizontally with that support fighting all that weight. If your graphics card is big and heavy, put on a riser. Done.
I agree with both of you. I have had a 4090 TUF running fine for almost a year using the included support until the day it started giving me black screens and 100% fans issues. It made me scratch my head for like 2 weeks until I decided to remove any preload from the support and keep just enough to keep it level. And it's been running fine since then... I guess. I do firmly believe that heat and cold cycles played a role in causing the issue and the gpu is most likely slightly damaged 😢 I suggest people using supports to check them from time to time, it's quite annoying to be honest especially for me decided to buy high end hardware after 7years of not upgrading. 13900k and 4090, wish me good luck 😅
@@TechnologyHive Fortunately, 99.999% of the builds won't see more than a GPU as a add-in card, cause you either block all the expansion ports, or need a case almost as wide as it is tall to accormodate the size of the heatsinks. Watercooling will become saner and saner as those heatsink keeps getting roided.
@@TechnologyHive all of my cards have been 200w over the years. HD 7950 was 225W, RX580 was 225W (though i had it undervolted down to 120W), Arc A770 is 225W. I refuse to go higher.
The problem is that people add the support bracket after the card is screwed in and then push it up as high as they can. Also the support should be in the middle of the card and not in the end. What I do is slot the card in and then push up the support just enough so I can screw the card to the chassis (holes are aligned). Do not overpush the support. Use 2 supports: one in the middle where the gpu/ram/pci is and one by the end where heatsink ends.
@hmello3250 That can work best using your method. I have not tested it, so I can not speak on it. But that is a good tip nevertheless! I'd still recommend that people install their card vertically. Best option to prevent pcb damage.
@@TechnologyHive The ideal situation would be vertical mount indeed but the NWR guy also recommended using two support brackets (the ones that looks like a screw and sits on the psu shroud) one in the middle next to where the cracks usually happen and another one in the end. But the card should just rest on them first, then you screw it in the chassis. Do not twist your pcb by applying uneven pressure.
@hmello3250 That is a solution...but do you want to go that route when the simple solution is to just put it on a riser? I'd rather put it on a riser. Looks better, runs cooler, and will extend the life of the card.
Not everyone has physical intelligence to fine tune the support of their card, people are gonna fuck up, so overall the best advice really is to just throw it on a riser. It completely deletes the forces that threaten the card. It's a no-brainer.
The GPU should *REST* on the GPU support, the support should *NOT* be pushing up against the pci slot the other way in any way. Also as others have said you should try and put the GPU support in the middle of the GPU if you can. Also yes I have zero idea why computer cases aren't made to have the CPU cooler and GPU be vertical nowadays. A huge oversight by them and is going to lead to death motherboards/GPUs as time goes on.
Imagine a world where foresight was the golden rule :) I wish ALL cases came with vertical mount as standard or full support correctly, and not close to the side panel which will restrict airflow to the gpu, causing overheating.
i mean there was the cooler master haf xb evo where the entire mobo was placed in a vertical position, adn that's the only one i heard about that has that setup. wish more cases had that tbh, looks much more stable imo
@@Iwantapplez109 The Cooler Master Elite 130, an oldie but goodie, is perfect for a vertical GPU setup. Granted first you'd have to find one for sale, and also you'd need a mini IT/X mobo.
GPUs have simply outgrown the ATX standard form factor and pcie x16 slot. Instead of add-in card slots we should have a dedicated pciex16 socket that connects with the back of the pcb. It would fix all the issues with board power and cooler clearance as well. PCIE SIG should have been working on this years ago.
Or they push to much power to justify the big coolers for.marketing purposes, cos big is better, no? Server GPUs don't need big "better" coolers, not RGB...
@BozesanVlad It's to keep GDDR6X cool. Nvidia learned from the 3000 series. Tones of these cards died due to memory temperature issues since GDDR6X runs hotter than regular GDDR6.
@@TechnologyHive Interesting, thank you, I didn't know that ADA4000 has DDR1 or DDR2 so is cooler... Lesson learned from the past: at launch, *all GPUs had *BIG* coolers, than when the newer cards were launched, they manages to even put on the market GPUs with smaller coolers/ even without coolers. They launch half baked arhitectures (GPUs and reference boards), and indeed *bigger is better* until the GPUs kill themselves or even kill the motherboard with it. As alicence designer I know the concept to "wrap sh!* in gold " (packaging/ promotion/ marketing) to sell said s*@t That's my only point in this regard, a personal opinion if you may.. ADA400 is SFF, doesn't need a HUGEEE cooler for marketing purposes tho: "GPU Memory: 20GB GDDR6 with error-correction code (ECC) Memory Bandwidth: Not explicitly mentioned, but implied to be high due to the 20GB GDDR6 capacity" "Height: 2.7” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 4.4” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation) Length: 6.6” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 9.5” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation) Slot: Dual-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or single-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation) Power consumption: 70W (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or unspecified (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)" As a side note, a bigger cooler/ shroud could eventually be bad for cooling in the end, even as temperatures. If they isolate the components, or are used bad pads, or the GPU itself heat the other components *through the "cooler" *. Another personal opinion.
@@TechnologyHive Nope, 35 year tech here. This is a new issue of course but from the majority of cases I've come across the only serious issue is no support at all. Properly used brackets will not cause an issue so long as the GPU isn't being forced upward aggressively. The gpu should have only the slightest amount of sag while resting on a bracket, the bracket is designed to support and prevent sag fractures not to strong arm the gpu into the roof and force fractures in the opposite direction. Most folks dont have vertical mount capabilities which is fine if the bracket option is used correctly. I actually never thought this would be a problem but Gamers never cease to amaze me how easy they destroy their systems as a result of no cognitive function.
@animalyze7120 Mr. 35-year tech, the issue is both. User related and design. A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves. Also, I do not blame them since these heavy and long gpus are getting ridiculous at this point that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports. This has been my observation and what people who own the cards are telling me.
@@TechnologyHive *_"A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves."_* Yeah, and? That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use support if you know what you're doing. You have such weird logic all the time. *_"that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports"_* Yeah, and? Then tell them how to support them properly, instead of telling people not to use them. Your comments are so dumb, there is absolutely no logic in many of them.
@sparda9060 But, it should not be the case. The average person buying one of these things wants get it installed and get to using it. It's the way it should be. The error here having to add pillars or other supports to these now very heavy cards. One should not have to do that. Best way to protect your purchase is to put it on a riser. Done.
@@Lynnfield3440 They had to fix the 8 pin connectors because they weren't broken enough 😅. So they fixed it by installing one that, when installed incorrectly, will just burn up your card.
@@TechnologyHiveWhat'd be your solution then? All cases or GPUs come with risers? Because reducing weigh isn't exactly feasible, at least I personally wouldn't want it at these power draws. Would require much louder fan speeds. I like my silent, thick radiators. And for me a riser is not possible anyway, I have a tower cooler in an O11D Mini, can't fit a vertical card in there.
Umm...if you installed your card and pushed up a bit too high with the gpu support and it failed to power on the first time, this is a red flag for me. That can be the result of broken solder joints under the GPU or memory. Even if its working now, it could be problem later. Just a heads up.
They wouldn't want to do that because of failure rates. Adding an AIO to a whole series of cards would yield higher RMA's. They will always take the cheaper route, sadly.
So you want a 1100$ gpu instead of a 1000$ GPU. AIB partners make little money off of graphics cards. It’s largely Nvidia that is pocketing most of the money
The issue is people using them. My support bracket I did not put pressure on I placed it under on the bottom edge just the edge towards the front of my pc case glass. It's not touching a fan it's not pushing it up. Just placed it under. The issue is if I didn't my 14.1inch 4080 super strix was sagging like a mofo. Some you have to do it with lol. I would rathet this effect overtime then my gpu touching the bottom of my case and the pcie connector being messed up. If you lay the support bracket under and dont put positive pressure its fine. It will lay on it slightly and its not pushing it back the other way. All gpu are made different also some have much harder outer cases much thicker metal cases and in those its much much harder to bend with a bracket.
As I have stated in many comments, hot/cold cycles will inevitably cause the PCB to twist or bend over time when installed horizontally. Supported or not. Customers have reported using supports for a few years and one day they try turning on their PC's just to be greeted by artifacts. If your card is heavy, use a vertical mount.
I believe the support brackets are not stupid but I believe the problem is the user that is pushing the graphics card up to a point it's gonna slowly warp it and I believe the best way to do it is put your case on its side while using the support bracket inside to get the proper height. Basically what this will do is the graphics card will just rest on the support bracket to negate the warping and graphics card sag, so this is how I do it and I never have problems also it's always best to have two supports instead of one, so what this means is you'd have one support on the Edge and the other support near the middle.
@HuddledEragon The real problem here is the weight of these newer cards. I the cards didn't weigh so much, there would be no need for such "supports". Even if you install the support before the gpu, eventually during hot-cold cycles, the pcb will twist due to the weight. The support will catch the sag and eventually in time leave the pcb bended. This is what I have been seeing with the cards coming in and talking to people that own them.
@@TechnologyHive I know about the weight and size of these graphics cards, because I have a Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF (352.9 x 158.2 x 72.6 mm) that I need to use a support bracket to make sure it rest its weight on it but I make sure I don't push it up so it doesn't bend the other way. Plus I do not use a vertical mount and the main reason why is because the way how my AiO works is I need the tubes of the pump to be more downwards so if I vertical mount it will cause problems to the tubes, also I can't rotate the pump in a certain way because it will either hit the VRM heat sinks or the RAM slot because how thick they are. So I have been thinking about either selling my Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF or for future projects, I would either replace it with a 7900 XT or with a 4080 super with a height at least 144 mm or a bit smaller than that so I can finally use my vertical mount.
And what about the cards with solid metal backplates. Do they help in reducing the warping? (I have an asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx and I am thinking about getting a vertical mount (or an additional support other than a lian li one
I think I have seen the absolute best, and ugliest solution. A person had installed top quality fans on a row, straight under the GPU fans. Then did he cut out tubing that was from a bottom fan to a GPU fan, holding the entire card as three hollow pillars with lots of air going straight into the GPU fans.
The fact that the GPU format has kept the same way despite how INSANE theese chonkers are is proof that manufacturers don't care enough, afterall their benches are mounted sideways anyways, so if something goes wrong it clearly has to be the user's fault.... We need some real integrity to be added both to PCI slots and to graphics cards, especially since the shells on cards seem to get cheaper and cheaper every time. I get that it'd be a massive shame to require a new format mobo to use a modern GPU but i bet that users would rather update their whole system and not be paranoid about their hardware not being capable of widthstanding itself. It makes more sense than ever now to use the vertical mounting for the GPU that some cases have literally just to preserve it rather than even caring about aesthetics
I agree with you. And these repairs are not cheap. And cracked PCI-e slots are not something I offer as a repair any more either. So if it breaks, its toast or someone else can take on it. But it will never be the same.
Maybe in many cases it is not the most elegant way, but placing the PC case horizontally on the table instead of vertically is a safe and probably the most economical way to prevent this problem, which is how I have used it with a GTX1080Ti since 2017. and zero problems, greetings and thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thank you for making this video brother. I ran a poll and most of the users still want to mount horizontally. This video will show the outcome of mounting horizontally. There are myths amongst users that there is a performance drop. I don't know how this myth settled in. I think there is a need for a video that shows the performance difference between mounting GPU vertically and horizontally. I used my GPUs vertically and saw no performance drops. The only way forward is to mount it vertically to save the GPU.😁
@frazerxavier7295 That's 💯% a myth. The only way vertical mount can affect the gpu performance is if they mount it using the PC case vertical mount position which is typically close to the side panel, which restricts airflow to the card. I am not talking about that option. I'm talking about vertical mount as on a 3rd party riser, as you and I know. Too many cards are coming in for repair with this new issue. It's ridiculous, really.
I have this RTX 4080 model from MSI and I don't use the support contraption included in the box. The cooler does integrate a reinforcing aluminum frame, bolted to the I/O shield that does the job of keeping the PCB from sagging, even when I move the PC case around my room. Just make sure to use all the three screw points to secure the card to the case mount.
You can just lay down your case on its back panel if you have space in your room, so in that sense you gpu is in position like its vertically mounted.Though it will maybe make your thermals a bit worse, as the hot air rises, and it would usually rise right into the fans at the top of a pc case, but now its rising into the front panel.But if you have good air flow, i dont think it will be a problem.So... this is just my opinion, it may or may not be correct.Also i didn't read full comment section, so i dont know if anybody else said the same think, so i am not copying anyone, again this is just my opinion.
I have a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC, and have used the anti sag mount for 1-2 years. No issues, and I don't think there will be. It's a pain of a mount connected to the MB though, so you never want to add an SSD again. I think a screw at the bottom of a vertical gap stops it from sagging but doesn't push it upwards, just stops it from going downwards any further. I've seen people not happy with the MSI version though, and while I wouldn't say I'm happy with Gigabytes version since it is inconvenient, it does the job and seems safe based on visual, and 1-2 year usage.
@EravielTachibana True. I have experienced that myself. But if your card costs more than your whole system alone, put it on a riser and get and AIO. I charge $150 to reball a gpu and sometimes the pcbs are too twisted that even a reball won't fix the card. It's dead brick.
@@TechnologyHive Sadly I've had enough of AIOs, I had two AIOs got pump failure in 5 years (first 3 years, then the next is 2, a coolermaster and another I forgot because I threw it out already 😅). I guess I just picked the bad AIOs, but I'm done risking it 😅
@@EravielTachibanayou might be able to vertical mount with a dual tower if you have a case with 8 or 9 pcie slot and install the riser on most bottom slot
From a structural point of view a support with a beam that supports the entire length of the gpu spreading the load in a even way should be a good design although probably more expensive.
Sagging has been a common thing since Nvidias 8000 series :P Joke aside sag isnt really a problem, it just happens to be more visible on some cards often dependant on cooler/VRM cooling being seperate. Its simply a result of recurring long term thermal expansion and retraction of the PCB :) It will happen even to cards with full "sandwich" coolers (full coverage + backplate) That said, adding a support bracket that provides support on a too small surface area of the PCB, is very much a dumb idea xD cos well.. math dictates it xD applying any pressure to small points on the PBC will effect how the PBC will bend over time. I never got why people use these support brackets, simply put, you are just moving the pressure point by adding a new point, in many cases to a small surface point. Its not fixing anything. Given the heavy cards nowadays, i would claim after some max 6 months, you would need to re-adjust the bracket to ensure the increased pressure from natural sag on the bracket is released xD
Some of us don't dilude ourselves that a 1.5kg card can sit on a thin pcie slot and not crack over time. It's not just visually unpleasant, your pcb really is twisting like that.
I had my GPU support bracket pushing the GPU up because I thought that would be better, after watching this I put my PC horizontally and adjusting the bracket so that it's half a millimeter away from the GPU so that when it's vertical it would just rest on it. Hopefully I haven't damaged anything during the 3 months I had it pushing up. Thanks for the video.
I hope all is well with your card. It is not well known, this problem. So I am glad to see people taking interest and acting to correct the problem before its too late. Cheers!
@@TechnologyHive Yeah, people usually talk about GPU sag, it was just by chance that I saw a comment on reddit linking to your video and decided to watch.
Let me add my comment backing up most of what I've read: user error. Install the GPU, DO NOT screw it to the case yet, and install the support making sure the card is just RESTING on it (as horizontal as possible). THEN screw to case. GPU supports are great, especially for larger cards, if used properly... which I hadn't even considered they coul dbe used improperly.
They have done cases where you can place the gpu on the case front now, like a radiator or like a distro plate. But i would maybe do that on the top of the case, couse you usually take fresh cold air from the front, and hot air goes to the top by default. This leaves you more room for other devices into your motherboard that are not so heavy. Another fix could be: Lets start demanding horizontical computers again ? Then the sag would be towards the motherboard.
The problem is that with coolers that heavy even with vertical mounts the gravity still is in action and naturally the card wants to flip. I had a 5700XT which sat vertically 3 years and it bent a little. Not as severe, it works fine, but also its cooler is not as heavy as on 4080 shown here. The new GPUs got so power hungry that If we don't get some technology breakthrough which will reduce the power consumption we are going to end up with a GPU external box next to a small PC case :)
i used a block of cardboard (square tube) to "prop" the card so it doesnt sag ... i experienced worstening of temps after few months period. relieving the "stress" lowered the hotspot for 4-5C so its not spiking over 105 on 4k load. But its so bad that i fully expect to either change the card or "repad" "repaste" the card... Take care of your HW folks.
It hurts to buy an expensive and massive GPU. End result - GPU PCB crack > artifacts > video crashing > Technician. I still prefer the good old GPU designs ( good heatsink and good TDP design ) they last longer than today's high-end GPU.
I've thought about this issue for a while and it's crazy to me how they include these in the box for the average idiot to use. Helped a buddy of mine build his first gaming PC last year, he insisted on using the support bracket but wouldn't leave it where it would just "hold" the GPU, first thing he did was screw it out all the way and mash it below the GPU hahahaha
@manmansgotmans lol quick way to get a death sentence started on his gpu. But it's a problem that needs to be put out there for people to be aware. That's for watching btw 🙂.
The real issue is why are there no motherboards that take into account the increased weight of modern gpus, and thus the case design, etc. ATX is an outdated specification, and is singlehandedly setting the entire pc tech development back years.
@guyfawkes0511 It is not up to motherboard manufacturers to accommodate heavier gpus. The issue is the heavy gpus themselves. Things have gotten out of control with newer gpus pulling crazy power numbers in order to remain competitive.
@@TechnologyHiveThis is the type of mentality that creates huge problems down the line. Like it or not, there is only so much efficiency that can be extracted from semiconductors. Unless they develop a new material or an entirely new process, GPUs will get bigger and heavier and this has to be addressed by standards that dictate motherboards, cases, and etc. Risers and GPU brackets are both band aid solutions.
Hey, love the video and the advice, will 100% consider it for my next build. What would you say is the best bet for a twin GPU setup for artists that need the extra computing power?
maybe the age of air-cooled high-end GPU's is coming to an end, because these cards are getting way too large and heavy due to the oversized heat sink.
@@TechnologyHive The reference model should at least be a hybrid cooler, even if it raises the cost a bit, in my opinion. What's an extra $50-$100 on top of your life savings?
It's obvious that if a card is heavy, the weight must be supported in a balanced manner. Anyone who doesn't ask themselves this problem out of ignorance is right to pay for the repair. if there is a lot of demand, increase the prices of repairs for the stress they cause you, this is how the market works. Good job !!
I’m so glad that I have always vertically mounted my 4070 Super from day one. I just absolutely dislike the sag on these gigantic cards and always been paranoid of the sag damaging the card even with a support bracket. Better to be safe than sorry :)
@@TechnologyHive You are correct about the RMA's side but at this point water cooling is the way to go ! maybe something like a external connector on the back of the card with just a water block on the card would make things easy on the RMA side !
@@TheCashman007 What you will see with RTX 5000 series is more of the same. But the 5090 is rumoured to be even bigger. That should definitely without question go on a riser.
I do not like risers I prefer good case I use Cooler master HAF XB EVO, mainboard is installed horizontally and my GPU vertically. One down side they stop making them 10 years ago.
@@TechnologyHive I use this same Case and CPU cooler Noctua D14 for over 10 years already. Case weight a lot more compared to modern one quite thick steel sheets used. I still use Hot swap HDD bays :)
That solves one problem and creates another problem. Vertical mounted GPUs are more likely to overheat because of worse air-flow. I have an RX6900XT and I use a support. On the other side I fixated it with very tight screws. I think that will be enough to prevent damage.
@K.R.98 No. This only applies if you install it in a case which allows for vertical mount next to the side panel. But if you use a 3rd part vertical mount like I show in this video, temperatures are actually better than when installed horizontally.
@@TechnologyHive Ah okay. Maybe I’ll try a vertical mount one day. I recently bought a cool infinity mirror support and I‘d like to use it for as long as possible
My Hellhound 7800XT has been iffy from the start without a support. It didn't come in the box with one and I decided to order a cheap finger thing support from Aliexpress. In the 2-3 weeks it took to arrive I felt like my GPU was almost dying. It was sagging a lot, like 1cm difference between the bracket side and the other end of the GPU. It looked like it was gonna break in half like a bridge without proper supports. In these ~3 weeks sometimes I would go to boot up the PC and it would enter a boot loop. Holding the GPU level with my finger would allow it to boot up normally. Also, if it was turned on, and I touched the GPU in any way, both audio and video would freeze and I would have to restart the system. Even the slightest of touches would do that. After 3 weeks my GPU support from Aliexpress showed up, installed it such that the GPU is now level and I haven't had any issues for 7 months now.
@BogdanM116 The fact that you had troubles when it was sagging is a big red flag. Most likely you now have broken joints under the gpu or memory. It will only get worse as time goes by due to hot/cold cycles.
@@TechnologyHive You might be correct. However they won't accept RMA if the card is working fine, especially if my retailer tests it on something like a test bench standing vertically. I have a 3 year warranty though (Like 2.5 still left). If it fully breaks in this time I can send it back then. If it doesn't, that's just unlucky. In 3 years I will probably upgrade my GPU either way so it is what it is.
Don't know why the industry hasn't innovated a solution that's being growing ( literally ) over the years? "Cards" stopped being "cards" when they went from single slot with minimal weight to a card with 1KG of copper and aluminum hanging off one side. The PCIE ( or any connector ) should NOT be used as a structural support. Vertical mounting the GPU connected by the flexible cable takes pressure off of the PCB connector.
After this video i buyed the cooler master v3 and now i have my 4080 in vertical mount :). When the gpu was horizontal, i noticed that the support's positiion after a while moved outside. It was like the pressure, was making the support move. Thanks :)
Personally I lay the PC flat on my side so the GPU is not sagging and then set the GPU support height so it just barely touches the GPU without exerting pressure. I've found this to be the only way to set the height properly. I'm using the slot for the vertical mount as the passthrough to the external radiator (custom watercooling) and changing the layout would be a huge pain...
It's not just user error, but the support that comes with the card doesn't have any guide how to install them so people go with theit own assumption how to install them. My support actually doesn't fit into my case so it's literally outside of it standing next to my case, but will adjust the height based on this. I do plan to buy a new case that can fit the cables and will try to get one where i can mount vertically to prevent this issue
@pc-ninja If they provide you a support it's because the card is too heavy to be installed on your pcie slot alone, in which case, the right move is to have it on a riser. Period.
@pc-ninja Nope. Your card will eventually warp due to hot/cold cycles and having that heavy heatsink on it. I hope it does not crack any joints. It's an expensive repair.
@@TechnologyHive Nope it will not my GPU never get hotter that 80c under full load average temp is 70c under load. Also my GUP is under volted and overclocked. NP
You know what you convinced me I just ordered a cooler Master vertical mount for my 7800xt. I used to have a 2070 which still worked by the time I was done using it but I could tell it had that warp you were talking about. I installed the support pillar while the PC was on its side, it was not pushing up too hard on the GPU. I believe when the GPU would heat up, the side that wasn't supported slowly begin to sag over time.
@allensmith3703 Nice! I think you'll love that mount by Cooler Master. It's user-friendly, and it just looks cool once installed in the case. Also, your gpu temps should be better, slightly.
After watching several vids of ppls pcb's cracking w/ GPU supports I bought a new case for my 4090 a month after I bought it. I run the case horizontally which allows my gpu to sit down directly into the mobo in the vertical position removing any stress on the pcb. I don't like the idea of using a gpu mount w/ a pcie extension cable; I prefer the peace of mind of a direct mount into the mobo pcie slot. I also run 4 temp probs on my gpu pwr plug to monitor the temps in case it starts to push to high I can shut it down. My plug temps while gamein CP2077 4K full PT runs at about 40C and idles at 32C. Such an annoyance w/ these gpu's w/ all the potential pitfalls one can run into if they're not careful as it can turn into a crazy expensive mistake.
@user-ku3sx8lo1g It is a risk always. Especially if it's a large card. I'd just save and buy new or get something more affordable, and install it vertically on a 3rd party riser.
Have been using gpus with and without support brackets for many years and from my perspective I believe sometimes people just install or use them wrong from what I have seen and experienced but the case with the modern supports is the fact that it might be too much sometimes
It is a combination of both, heavy cards and people not knowing how to properly install them. AIB partners do not include manuals explaining people how to properly use the included supports or people just overdoing it.
What about ledges? GPU ledge vs GPU support. It's an arm that sticks out of the side of the motherboard that allows the GPU to lie ontop of it. Supports the entire end side of the card instead of just a corner.
That might work. But to guarantee your GPU wont suffer damage from sag, I'd stick to a vertical mount. Its just the best way to go to protect your purchase.
My old card was sagging like crazy because it had no backplate and it was still alive and showed no signs of core or memory breaking off the pcb after 4 years of intense use. How do these newer cards break with a little sag upwards? That's crazy
I like the look of them mounted with a riser cable. Have done it on my current and last GPU. I do have a little magnetic post that I put under the shroud between the gpu and the case vertical mounting so it prevents sag because I use a Thermaltake core P3 and because of the design of that case the mounting bracket for vertical gpu mounts isn’t supported as well as a full on enclosed PC case.
Totally agree. I have my 7900xtx on a vertical mount in my NV5 case. Not only does it look better, but also the card is better supported and wont be damaged at the PCB slot. I think a vertical mount can lose you 2-5 degrees in temperature but longevity is more important imo.
the off the shelf suppors can cause it to bend I 3d printed a groot figure that supports the whole card not just the back half full support or no support is best in my opinion
im using those cheap bolt type, no issue..dont put right to the edge put it just before the a little after the end of the pcie slot and dont set it to push the gpu up just let the gpu rest on the thing
Just keep an eye on the PCB. Cold/hot cycles after a while will warp the PCB if not supported correctly. Even so, I still recommend vertical mounting. But I do understand not everyone is able to do so. Just keep an eye on it :)
@@TechnologyHive thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye on it or later move on to vertical mount...my old case can't vertical mount as gpu kinda thick but got a new case today that is able to. Vertical mount surely the better way for these big long thick GPU
Rejoice you are gonna get more work like this soon. The new titans is said to have 2x the performance. You know what that means, more heavier heat sinks!
I use gpu support and it holds good, No issues, Without a gpu support you have to use a riser vertical support, Not using anything will crack you pci on you gfx card, On their newer gpu's, Because they are simply too big on the heatsink part not too now, Atleast on nvidia's side.
@club4ghz I'd still try to look for a vertical mount. But hey, that's just me. These cards are too expensive and I get then in for repair often due to the same problem. Sag.
@@TechnologyHive I know. I noticed it started bending in the middle even with gigabyte support bracket installed so I removed it and made 3 stick like supports out of wood with rubber ends and I had to adjust their position over time to straighten the pcb back how it was. It still has slight bend, not much upwards in the corner where the power connector is but I can't do anything about it anymore. I got the core area perfectly straight, and I will be checking for changes once in a while
If a person has a huge GPU the correct method is to mount it either vertically or horizontal in a case. Putting that much pressure on the motherboard and case is a very dumb idea.
Im sorry, when you say riser do you mean the simple like rods that just lift up one corner? Magnet on the bottom and you slowly raise them up to fit underneath? Also, i couldnt find your video on this subject. Thanks in advance!
I have a low end gpu. A 6600XT. Basically as just a frame buffer. As an enthusiast I much rather see efficiency being the goal rather than the current brute force approach. This includes AMD, Intel, Nvidia. The power consumption of cpu's and gpu's today is terrible. Don't get me started on the size of the four slot cards.
I like the 6600XT. Aside from it being limited to PCI-e X8 Gen 4, you must have a 4.0 Gen PCI-e to not have it bottlenecked by Gen 3.0 X8. That would suck.
I know this is a late comment and I'm not sure if you will still see it to respond. If a riser cable then guarantees you to get no gpu sag at all, what would be the best case/airflow configuration for a airflow build. I was looking and finally found the Antec Flux pro and the case seems really really good for a airbuild and horizantal mount(I have not bought the case yet), and currently I own a 4090 msi trio x gaming and was thinking of getting a gb-001 horizantal support bracket that attaches to the motherboard for that case whenever I do get it. With a riser what would be the best case then since wouldn't the airflow from the gpu be hindered a bit, since the hot air would be hitting the back of the case instead of going up and out of the case immediately and since every single case reviewer I see, says the same thing about air not liking to move in 90 degree patterns, is there a case that is optimal for a riser cable airflow build? Also what is the specific riser cable I should buy then, since I've been using a gpu vertical support bracket from the msi suprim x 3090, for my 4090.
@TechnologyHive I see that's nice I'll look into it. I personally don't like aios at all I'd rather just have a optimal airflow build with a noctua nhd15 g2. Since that is as good as any aio for ryzen cpus from all the benchmarks I've seen of that air-cooler vs aios. Also was the main issue for people horizontal GPU mounts because they put it at the end? Like how about if you supported it somewhat in the middle and end so it's just fully supported horizontally since I don't mind how my build looks ngl, I don't care about asthetics at all just most quiet case fans which is why I use noctua fans and best performance.
@@lovie74 i would rather just get a vertical mount. you can support it as you see fit as it is your property. but these cards are too heavy to be installed horizontally. as i write this, i have 5 cards here with cracked joints under the core, cracked PCB's and memory pads ripped. all this is common in cards installed horizontally.
@@TechnologyHive if there is this many issues with these. I wonder if Nvidia will be able to do anything in the future with the 5090 to support it more since I feel like it will be even heavier... I'll try to look into vertical mounting since I've never done it and it always looked riskier to me back when they were just pcie 3.0. Since it always looked scary to hold a GPU that's heavy vertically like that butz im assuming it's safer now or more advanced than years ago
@@TechnologyHive I looked into it a bit, and you were right like everything you said in your video also the wobble and GPU sag seems to be fixed with vertical mount besides some really heavy cards still somehow sagging with vertical mounts from some other videos I've binged. Jayztwocents recommended the coolermaster riser cable and alot of people online have to since it's adjustable and seems to hold graphic cards well. I am curious on your recommendation for a vertical GPU mount for a MSI gaming trio x 4090 or does it not matter aslong it's its a vertical mount? Sorry about typing so much but for a year I've used a GPU support bracket for a my 4090 and I bought it used for 1200 USD( never had problems with it) but, not I'm getting worried since I don't want it to die on me early. Sorry for all the replies and questions.
When you mount the card as standard, you mount it when the case with the motherboard installed lies on its side. Then, with a card that sits perfectly in the slot and does not bend, you mount the support so that it does not bend the card, then when you place the casing on its feet, the card will partially rest on the support and the rest will normally be based on the rear mounting on the casing and the PCIe slot. In this example, the card support was too long and bent the card the other way. This is definitely user error.
@Roy88772 If the cards were not being built weighing 2kg, and ~12" long, there would be no need for support. Hot/cold cycles will warp the pcb if installed horizontally, even with a support.
I feel like a better support design would be something the extends all the way from the pcie slot under the card to the end of it, but shipping that much surface area starts to get expensive.
I think its more of a user problem. Its very easy to make the support too tight and in the wrong spot, causing the middle arch in the pcb. Also, not all supports are the same. Its all common sense. No support is not good either. I do agree though that the safest way is to vertically mount it with a riser cable . Least chance of movement.
No it is not. People buy a graphics card and expect it to work as it should. The problem is manufacturers reusing the same heavy heatsinks, and causing the lead-free solder joints to crack due to stress on the pcb. I use leaded solder which is less brittle than that lead-free junk, which cracks easier. No matter where you put that support, the PCB will warp in time after many hot/cold cycles with these heavy heatsinks. The fix is to install these things vertically. Done.
GPU supporting brackets are a great tool when used properly. the purpose of that tool is to provide support. not raise the gpu. when users think its better to let it bend upwards instead that's when things go wrong.
The problem is that these cards are too heavy now. If the weight wasn't an issue, supports wouldn't ben needed. And all these cards I have here dead would still be working.
I am glad I don’t have one of those monster gpu's. I have a smaller case and the MSI 2x 4070 ti Super is the perfect size. Sets horizontal like a gpu should 😊 I seriously cannot believe the size of the 4080 and 4090 cards just beasts..
The issue about vertical mounts is first of all airflow,and second it doesn’t fit with some cases,it just can’t fit in with the fans,or something else.
@@Dumb_Thing That's because you're thinking about vertical.mouny using your PC case's vertical mount option. That's not what I recommend. 3rd party risers like those by Phanteks and Cooler Master V3 are the best.
Can you please show me $150 (or any price) non-junk case that have at least 4 slots, preferably with extra one slot space for dedicated vertical mount not interfering with normal slots and being able fit water cooling and at least 4 HDD? I am using Fractal Define 7XL and it can only fit 3 slot card that would be suffocated by glass side panel, unfortunately my card is 3.5 slots, so it doesn't even fit.
@@TechnologyHive Nope, that's still only 3 slots and slightly less depth in main chamber, I pretty much went through all main brands and plenty of-brands, over several hundred cases and in end compromise on Define 7 XL.
I'm using the one that came with my Fractal Torrent case on my Strix 4080. Even though I'm using a higher end AsRock mobo I dont' want to risk the weight of this pig of a card damage the slot over time. 😁
@thelaughingmanofficial Nope. If installed horizontally, your card's pcb will, in time, begin to warp due to hot/cold cycles. Heavy cards need to go on a riser.
These latest cards are not the first to sag a lot and ppl were fine with having them horizontally for almost a decade. This is a lot of panic mongering.
@@tmsphere That is because for decades leaded solder was used. Today, everyone wants to go "green", and lead-free solder is being used. Lead-free solder is more brittle than leaded solder, and will crack easier. I use leaded solder in all my repairs, and so far I have not had any reballs come back even on slightly warped PCB cards.
I have my bracket screws loose (about a half turn from tight) with a support holding it up just a hair, it's worked just fine for me for the past year and a half.
It is frustrating. I hate it that folks do not put these in correctly. The bracket doesn't need to be so extended that it does this crap. People do not value physics at all!
How much that thermal cycling is effecting this? I have 4090 and it's idling around 45C. Remember some of my "old cards" 1080Ti or 2080Ti was idling around 50-60C and under load about 80C. So smaller dT between gaming/idle and using 24/7 it won't drop back to 22C unless i do some maintenance. Can't remember what was 3090 idle temps. Changing temperature is always mechanical stress to solder balls.
It really depends on how much stress the PCB is under. If the card is sagging a lot, the core or memory chips may develop cracked joints sooner or later. My 4090 idles at the same temperature. It is normal.
@@TechnologyHive I added that support what come with gpu and adjusted it when I was building it so it should be in ok place. Maybe need to check if lock screw was tightened right in that and it's height haven't changed. Also no space for vertical adapter because all accessible pcie slots are in use.
I can't estructuraly understand how a CPU would detach from the board in a vise grip configuration. the cold Plate is being Forced Down the CPU and the Board together by the CPU Screw mount
Easily done, by hot/cold cycles and adding just a bit of resistance on either side of the card. The lead-free solder which is much more brittle than leaded solder will then crack in time, and cause disconnect between the board and the GPU core.
Yeah except if you don't use one with the size of the cards these days your pcie slot gets damaged like mine did and forced me to get a gpu support so my bottom one doesn't get damaged either..
Hello I just got a hella expensive setup with a 4090 which is put horizantally. After learning about the sagging issue I ordered pole like support but now I see this video. I don’t really wanna change the case or the set up right now. Was wondering if I can just put my case horizantally on the desk, could that solve the problem ?
Bro just get a gpu support WITH a mini bubble spirit level. Basically these spirit levels are meant for detecting gpu sag and if you're applying too much pressure on your GPU with the bracket (so you can adjust it). It's really not that complicated lol
I don't see how a post or something your gpu is just resting on is going to damage it. Maybe the garbage ones that don't have a post touching the ground where it's literally just attaching more weight to your gpu.
@@TechnologyHive Yeah who cares about people not using things correctly that's their own fault. Even as they get heavier having a post rest level underneath the one unsupported side isn't going to cause any damage since it's also being supported my the case and the pcie port
GPU supports are fine. People using them incorrectly is the issue.
@@fluphybunny930 well how do I use the properly?
I would agree.
Go to only a level. Don't go upward where you are bending the card up.
From what I have seen, it's both. Hot/cold cycles will eventually warp the pcb of installed horizontally with that support fighting all that weight. If your graphics card is big and heavy, put on a riser. Done.
I agree with both of you.
I have had a 4090 TUF running fine for almost a year using the included support until the day it started giving me black screens and 100% fans issues.
It made me scratch my head for like 2 weeks until I decided to remove any preload from the support and keep just enough to keep it level. And it's been running fine since then... I guess.
I do firmly believe that heat and cold cycles played a role in causing the issue and the gpu is most likely slightly damaged 😢
I suggest people using supports to check them from time to time, it's quite annoying to be honest especially for me decided to buy high end hardware after 7years of not upgrading. 13900k and 4090, wish me good luck 😅
When you have a graphics card that weighs over 2 kg, I don't see a brace as optional
Me either. That's going on a vertical mount!
@@TechnologyHive Fortunately, 99.999% of the builds won't see more than a GPU as a add-in card, cause you either block all the expansion ports, or need a case almost as wide as it is tall to accormodate the size of the heatsinks.
Watercooling will become saner and saner as those heatsink keeps getting roided.
If GPUs of today were more efficient than an electric space heater we wouldn't be having this problem
@@connivingkhajiit 450w is now a thing. I remember when 150w was considered a power hog. But this was back in 2005 :)
@@TechnologyHive all of my cards have been 200w over the years. HD 7950 was 225W, RX580 was 225W (though i had it undervolted down to 120W), Arc A770 is 225W. I refuse to go higher.
The problem is that people add the support bracket after the card is screwed in and then push it up as high as they can. Also the support should be in the middle of the card and not in the end.
What I do is slot the card in and then push up the support just enough so I can screw the card to the chassis (holes are aligned). Do not overpush the support. Use 2 supports: one in the middle where the gpu/ram/pci is and one by the end where heatsink ends.
@hmello3250 That can work best using your method. I have not tested it, so I can not speak on it. But that is a good tip nevertheless! I'd still recommend that people install their card vertically. Best option to prevent pcb damage.
@@TechnologyHive The ideal situation would be vertical mount indeed but the NWR guy also recommended using two support brackets (the ones that looks like a screw and sits on the psu shroud) one in the middle next to where the cracks usually happen and another one in the end. But the card should just rest on them first, then you screw it in the chassis. Do not twist your pcb by applying uneven pressure.
@hmello3250 That is a solution...but do you want to go that route when the simple solution is to just put it on a riser? I'd rather put it on a riser. Looks better, runs cooler, and will extend the life of the card.
Not everyone has physical intelligence to fine tune the support of their card, people are gonna fuck up, so overall the best advice really is to just throw it on a riser. It completely deletes the forces that threaten the card. It's a no-brainer.
@@xilix Especially when the cards getting heavier. 👍
The GPU should *REST* on the GPU support, the support should *NOT* be pushing up against the pci slot the other way in any way. Also as others have said you should try and put the GPU support in the middle of the GPU if you can.
Also yes I have zero idea why computer cases aren't made to have the CPU cooler and GPU be vertical nowadays. A huge oversight by them and is going to lead to death motherboards/GPUs as time goes on.
Imagine a world where foresight was the golden rule :) I wish ALL cases came with vertical mount as standard or full support correctly, and not close to the side panel which will restrict airflow to the gpu, causing overheating.
For the cpu cooler to be vertical, the mobo has to stay horizontal.
i mean there was the cooler master haf xb evo where the entire mobo was placed in a vertical position, adn that's the only one i heard about that has that setup. wish more cases had that tbh, looks much more stable imo
@@Iwantapplez109 The Cooler Master Elite 130, an oldie but goodie, is perfect for a vertical GPU setup. Granted first you'd have to find one for sale, and also you'd need a mini IT/X mobo.
GPUs have simply outgrown the ATX standard form factor and pcie x16 slot. Instead of add-in card slots we should have a dedicated pciex16 socket that connects with the back of the pcb. It would fix all the issues with board power and cooler clearance as well. PCIE SIG should have been working on this years ago.
@Ironclad17 They will not be changing things any time soon, sadly. Best thing to do is to out those heavy cards on a riser.
Or they push to much power to justify the big coolers for.marketing purposes, cos big is better, no?
Server GPUs don't need big "better" coolers, not RGB...
@BozesanVlad It's to keep GDDR6X cool. Nvidia learned from the 3000 series. Tones of these cards died due to memory temperature issues since GDDR6X runs hotter than regular GDDR6.
@@TechnologyHive Interesting, thank you, I didn't know that ADA4000 has DDR1 or DDR2 so is cooler...
Lesson learned from the past: at launch, *all GPUs had *BIG* coolers, than when the newer cards were launched, they manages to even put on the market GPUs with smaller coolers/ even without coolers.
They launch half baked arhitectures (GPUs and reference boards), and indeed *bigger is better* until the GPUs kill themselves or even kill the motherboard with it.
As alicence designer I know the concept to "wrap sh!* in gold " (packaging/ promotion/ marketing) to sell said s*@t
That's my only point in this regard, a personal opinion if you may..
ADA400 is SFF, doesn't need a HUGEEE cooler for marketing purposes tho:
"GPU Memory: 20GB GDDR6 with error-correction code (ECC)
Memory Bandwidth: Not explicitly mentioned, but implied to be high due to the 20GB GDDR6 capacity"
"Height: 2.7” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 4.4” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)
Length: 6.6” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or 9.5” (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)
Slot: Dual-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or single-slot (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)
Power consumption: 70W (NVIDIA RTX 4000 SFF) or unspecified (NVIDIA RTX 4000 Ada Generation)"
As a side note, a bigger cooler/ shroud could eventually be bad for cooling in the end, even as temperatures. If they isolate the components, or are used bad pads, or the GPU itself heat the other components *through the "cooler" *. Another personal opinion.
This is incorrect use of GPU support, blame the user not the tool
It's both. User fault and design.
@@TechnologyHive Nope, 35 year tech here. This is a new issue of course but from the majority of cases I've come across the only serious issue is no support at all. Properly used brackets will not cause an issue so long as the GPU isn't being forced upward aggressively. The gpu should have only the slightest amount of sag while resting on a bracket, the bracket is designed to support and prevent sag fractures not to strong arm the gpu into the roof and force fractures in the opposite direction. Most folks dont have vertical mount capabilities which is fine if the bracket option is used correctly. I actually never thought this would be a problem but Gamers never cease to amaze me how easy they destroy their systems as a result of no cognitive function.
@animalyze7120 Mr. 35-year tech, the issue is both. User related and design. A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves. Also, I do not blame them since these heavy and long gpus are getting ridiculous at this point that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports. This has been my observation and what people who own the cards are telling me.
@@TechnologyHive
*_"A lot of people do not know how to use these supports and are creating problems for themselves."_*
Yeah, and? That doesn't mean that you shouldn't use support if you know what you're doing. You have such weird logic all the time.
*_"that people are trying their best without knowing the damage they are causing to the card by propping them up to much with these supports"_*
Yeah, and? Then tell them how to support them properly, instead of telling people not to use them. Your comments are so dumb, there is absolutely no logic in many of them.
@@JD99-zj3gq Do you take any medications?
TLDR: User Error as usual.
@sparda9060 But, it should not be the case. The average person buying one of these things wants get it installed and get to using it. It's the way it should be. The error here having to add pillars or other supports to these now very heavy cards. One should not have to do that. Best way to protect your purchase is to put it on a riser. Done.
Not always that new connector nvidia is using is just objectively garbage.
@@Lynnfield3440 They had to fix the 8 pin connectors because they weren't broken enough 😅. So they fixed it by installing one that, when installed incorrectly, will just burn up your card.
@@TechnologyHiveWhat'd be your solution then? All cases or GPUs come with risers? Because reducing weigh isn't exactly feasible, at least I personally wouldn't want it at these power draws. Would require much louder fan speeds. I like my silent, thick radiators.
And for me a riser is not possible anyway, I have a tower cooler in an O11D Mini, can't fit a vertical card in there.
@@ZenTunE- If your case is small enough, set it on it's side, so the GPU is horizontally. Just a thought.
Real story: my pc didn’t boot with a gpu stand (5€ from Amazon).
Turned out it was pushing the card up to much. I lowered it 1 mm and now it’s fine.
Umm...if you installed your card and pushed up a bit too high with the gpu support and it failed to power on the first time, this is a red flag for me. That can be the result of broken solder joints under the GPU or memory. Even if its working now, it could be problem later. Just a heads up.
@@TechnologyHive oh well. Thanks. Might RMA that thing than just to be sure. and look into a vertical mount.
You can't RMA product you ruined yourself
@@club4ghz Very true. Unethical.
U we’re an idiot
This problem could be totally resolved if $1000 GPU's all came with AIO coolers. Considering the price, they all should.
They wouldn't want to do that because of failure rates. Adding an AIO to a whole series of cards would yield higher RMA's. They will always take the cheaper route, sadly.
So you want a 1100$ gpu instead of a 1000$ GPU.
AIB partners make little money off of graphics cards. It’s largely Nvidia that is pocketing most of the money
It is almost like the cards were designed to work in vertical position…
@@watchbreaker1706 Funny also how most of the cards I have here for repair are pass their warranty.
AIO coolers bring their own set of issues like being prone to premature failure.
The issue is people using them. My support bracket I did not put pressure on I placed it under on the bottom edge just the edge towards the front of my pc case glass. It's not touching a fan it's not pushing it up. Just placed it under. The issue is if I didn't my 14.1inch 4080 super strix was sagging like a mofo. Some you have to do it with lol.
I would rathet this effect overtime then my gpu touching the bottom of my case and the pcie connector being messed up. If you lay the support bracket under and dont put positive pressure its fine. It will lay on it slightly and its not pushing it back the other way. All gpu are made different also some have much harder outer cases much thicker metal cases and in those its much much harder to bend with a bracket.
As I have stated in many comments, hot/cold cycles will inevitably cause the PCB to twist or bend over time when installed horizontally. Supported or not. Customers have reported using supports for a few years and one day they try turning on their PC's just to be greeted by artifacts. If your card is heavy, use a vertical mount.
"Don't let your GPU sag."
"Don't use anti-sag hardware."
Okay.
Do what you want, I am just reporting what I am seeing with these dead cards. Your choice.
I believe the support brackets are not stupid but I believe the problem is the user that is pushing the graphics card up to a point it's gonna slowly warp it and I believe the best way to do it is put your case on its side while using the support bracket inside to get the proper height.
Basically what this will do is the graphics card will just rest on the support bracket to negate the warping and graphics card sag, so this is how I do it and I never have problems also it's always best to have two supports instead of one, so what this means is you'd have one support on the Edge and the other support near the middle.
@HuddledEragon The real problem here is the weight of these newer cards. I the cards didn't weigh so much, there would be no need for such "supports". Even if you install the support before the gpu, eventually during hot-cold cycles, the pcb will twist due to the weight. The support will catch the sag and eventually in time leave the pcb bended. This is what I have been seeing with the cards coming in and talking to people that own them.
@@TechnologyHive Is the solution to mount the large cards vertically?
@@TechnologyHive I know about the weight and size of these graphics cards, because I have a Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF (352.9 x 158.2 x 72.6 mm) that I need to use a support bracket to make sure it rest its weight on it but I make sure I don't push it up so it doesn't bend the other way.
Plus I do not use a vertical mount and the main reason why is because the way how my AiO works is I need the tubes of the pump to be more downwards so if I vertical mount it will cause problems to the tubes, also I can't rotate the pump in a certain way because it will either hit the VRM heat sinks or the RAM slot because how thick they are.
So I have been thinking about either selling my Radeon RX 7900 XT TUF or for future projects, I would either replace it with a 7900 XT or with a 4080 super with a height at least 144 mm or a bit smaller than that so I can finally use my vertical mount.
And what about the cards with solid metal backplates. Do they help in reducing the warping? (I have an asrock phantom gaming 7900xtx and I am thinking about getting a vertical mount (or an additional support other than a lian li one
@@lauri9061 Yes. This will prevent sag, and thus warping of the PCB.
I've been using the Cooler Master Universal Vertical GPU Card Holder V3 with all my customers builds...very good bracket.....
Yup. That's one of my favourite ones. Easy to use also.
I think I have seen the absolute best, and ugliest solution. A person had installed top quality fans on a row, straight under the GPU fans. Then did he cut out tubing that was from a bottom fan to a GPU fan, holding the entire card as three hollow pillars with lots of air going straight into the GPU fans.
@@friedmule5403 As long as it gets the job done 😅
The fact that the GPU format has kept the same way despite how INSANE theese chonkers are is proof that manufacturers don't care enough, afterall their benches are mounted sideways anyways, so if something goes wrong it clearly has to be the user's fault.... We need some real integrity to be added both to PCI slots and to graphics cards, especially since the shells on cards seem to get cheaper and cheaper every time. I get that it'd be a massive shame to require a new format mobo to use a modern GPU but i bet that users would rather update their whole system and not be paranoid about their hardware not being capable of widthstanding itself. It makes more sense than ever now to use the vertical mounting for the GPU that some cases have literally just to preserve it rather than even caring about aesthetics
I agree with you. And these repairs are not cheap. And cracked PCI-e slots are not something I offer as a repair any more either. So if it breaks, its toast or someone else can take on it. But it will never be the same.
Maybe in many cases it is not the most elegant way, but placing the PC case horizontally on the table instead of vertically is a safe and probably the most economical way to prevent this problem, which is how I have used it with a GTX1080Ti since 2017. and zero problems, greetings and thanks for sharing your knowledge
@@sirdonkey3001 Thanks for watching 🙂!
They’re raising the GPU’s like jacking up a car lol
@superpandabacon That is the worst thing to do. To add the support AFTER the card is screwed in. Guaranteed to cause problems later
Thank you for making this video brother. I ran a poll and most of the users still want to mount horizontally. This video will show the outcome of mounting horizontally. There are myths amongst users that there is a performance drop. I don't know how this myth settled in. I think there is a need for a video that shows the performance difference between mounting GPU vertically and horizontally. I used my GPUs vertically and saw no performance drops. The only way forward is to mount it vertically to save the GPU.😁
@frazerxavier7295 That's 💯% a myth. The only way vertical mount can affect the gpu performance is if they mount it using the PC case vertical mount position which is typically close to the side panel, which restricts airflow to the card.
I am not talking about that option. I'm talking about vertical mount as on a 3rd party riser, as you and I know. Too many cards are coming in for repair with this new issue. It's ridiculous, really.
@@TechnologyHive absolutely. More than half of memory error repairs I do is because of cracked solder joints or ripped pads under memory or core. 😁
@@frazerxavier7295 Same here 😆
@@frazerxavier7295 some gpu have vapor chambers optimized for horizontal mounting.
I have this RTX 4080 model from MSI and I don't use the support contraption included in the box. The cooler does integrate a reinforcing aluminum frame, bolted to the I/O shield that does the job of keeping the PCB from sagging, even when I move the PC case around my room. Just make sure to use all the three screw points to secure the card to the case mount.
@@Ivan-pr7ku I hope that works out well in the long run.
You can just lay down your case on its back panel if you have space in your room, so in that sense you gpu is in position like its vertically mounted.Though it will maybe make your thermals a bit worse, as the hot air rises, and it would usually rise right into the fans at the top of a pc case, but now its rising into the front panel.But if you have good air flow, i dont think it will be a problem.So... this is just my opinion, it may or may not be correct.Also i didn't read full comment section, so i dont know if anybody else said the same think, so i am not copying anyone, again this is just my opinion.
@N33508 Yeah, many have suggested the same. But like you pointed out, it creates another problem with heat.
Glad I went with physics here and put my 4090 on a vertical GPU support and called it a day 😂
Good common sense 👍
I would add a custom watercooling at that point too.
I have a Gigabyte 4090 Gaming OC, and have used the anti sag mount for 1-2 years. No issues, and I don't think there will be. It's a pain of a mount connected to the MB though, so you never want to add an SSD again. I think a screw at the bottom of a vertical gap stops it from sagging but doesn't push it upwards, just stops it from going downwards any further. I've seen people not happy with the MSI version though, and while I wouldn't say I'm happy with Gigabytes version since it is inconvenient, it does the job and seems safe based on visual, and 1-2 year usage.
I hope you will not have any issues later.
Us people using dual tower air coolers practically can't vertical mount our GPUs 😂😂😂
@EravielTachibana True. I have experienced that myself. But if your card costs more than your whole system alone, put it on a riser and get and AIO. I charge $150 to reball a gpu and sometimes the pcbs are too twisted that even a reball won't fix the card. It's dead brick.
@@TechnologyHive Sadly I've had enough of AIOs, I had two AIOs got pump failure in 5 years (first 3 years, then the next is 2, a coolermaster and another I forgot because I threw it out already 😅). I guess I just picked the bad AIOs, but I'm done risking it 😅
@@EravielTachibanayou might be able to vertical mount with a dual tower if you have a case with 8 or 9 pcie slot and install the riser on most bottom slot
@@EravielTachibana I hear ya. I hope it goes well with your setup.
They are too heavy. period. mfg doesn't care, you buy new one.
@@VioFax It's like buying a brick to put in your PC 🤣
From a structural point of view a support with a beam that supports the entire length of the gpu spreading the load in a even way should be a good design although probably more expensive.
Look for the Phanteks vertical mount riser.
Sagging has been a common thing since Nvidias 8000 series :P Joke aside sag isnt really a problem, it just happens to be more visible on some cards often dependant on cooler/VRM cooling being seperate. Its simply a result of recurring long term thermal expansion and retraction of the PCB :) It will happen even to cards with full "sandwich" coolers (full coverage + backplate)
That said, adding a support bracket that provides support on a too small surface area of the PCB, is very much a dumb idea xD cos well.. math dictates it xD applying any pressure to small points on the PBC will effect how the PBC will bend over time.
I never got why people use these support brackets, simply put, you are just moving the pressure point by adding a new point, in many cases to a small surface point. Its not fixing anything.
Given the heavy cards nowadays, i would claim after some max 6 months, you would need to re-adjust the bracket to ensure the increased pressure from natural sag on the bracket is released xD
Some of us don't dilude ourselves that a 1.5kg card can sit on a thin pcie slot and not crack over time. It's not just visually unpleasant, your pcb really is twisting like that.
This is just getting ridiculous. The 50 series are going to be freaking massive.
@WellWisdom. Yup. Especially the 5090. A lot of RMAs are coming.
I had my GPU support bracket pushing the GPU up because I thought that would be better, after watching this I put my PC horizontally and adjusting the bracket so that it's half a millimeter away from the GPU so that when it's vertical it would just rest on it. Hopefully I haven't damaged anything during the 3 months I had it pushing up. Thanks for the video.
I hope all is well with your card. It is not well known, this problem. So I am glad to see people taking interest and acting to correct the problem before its too late. Cheers!
@@TechnologyHive Yeah, people usually talk about GPU sag, it was just by chance that I saw a comment on reddit linking to your video and decided to watch.
@@npc8464 Well, thanks for coming over to watch the video 🙂
Let me add my comment backing up most of what I've read: user error. Install the GPU, DO NOT screw it to the case yet, and install the support making sure the card is just RESTING on it (as horizontal as possible). THEN screw to case.
GPU supports are great, especially for larger cards, if used properly... which I hadn't even considered they coul dbe used improperly.
@@emp1985 Or you could just spend the extra time and money and buy a 3rd party riser vertical mount and protect your purchase. Done.
They have done cases where you can place the gpu on the case front now, like a radiator or like a distro plate.
But i would maybe do that on the top of the case, couse you usually take fresh cold air from the front, and hot air goes to the top by default.
This leaves you more room for other devices into your motherboard that are not so heavy.
Another fix could be: Lets start demanding horizontical computers again ?
Then the sag would be towards the motherboard.
The problem is that with coolers that heavy even with vertical mounts the gravity still is in action and naturally the card wants to flip. I had a 5700XT which sat vertically 3 years and it bent a little. Not as severe, it works fine, but also its cooler is not as heavy as on 4080 shown here. The new GPUs got so power hungry that If we don't get some technology breakthrough which will reduce the power consumption we are going to end up with a GPU external box next to a small PC case :)
Looks like we're headed that way. The RTX 5090 is rumoured to pull even more power than the 4090.
i used a block of cardboard (square tube) to "prop" the card so it doesnt sag ... i experienced worstening of temps after few months period. relieving the "stress" lowered the hotspot for 4-5C so its not spiking over 105 on 4k load. But its so bad that i fully expect to either change the card or "repad" "repaste" the card...
Take care of your HW folks.
It hurts to buy an expensive and massive GPU. End result - GPU PCB crack > artifacts > video crashing > Technician. I still prefer the good old GPU designs ( good heatsink and good TDP design ) they last longer than today's high-end GPU.
@remnantchannel2434 The weight of the card, combined with lead-free solder, makes a perfect combination for a dead gpu.
I have just mounted it vertically, then measured space at the end of card and printed own support. Looks ok, no tension.
@@oskarzemcik1548 Nice. I'm sure your card will thank you later 😊
Horizontal pc gang keeps winning
If it works out for you on your desk, hey, thats one way to avoid your card from sagging :)
I'm embarrassed to say that mine has been propped up with a wooden stick from new. I did spray it silver.
LOL well, the silver should extend the life of the card 🤣. But in all seriousness, I hope its not going to be a problem for you later.
I've thought about this issue for a while and it's crazy to me how they include these in the box for the average idiot to use. Helped a buddy of mine build his first gaming PC last year, he insisted on using the support bracket but wouldn't leave it where it would just "hold" the GPU, first thing he did was screw it out all the way and mash it below the GPU hahahaha
@manmansgotmans lol quick way to get a death sentence started on his gpu. But it's a problem that needs to be put out there for people to be aware. That's for watching btw 🙂.
The real issue is why are there no motherboards that take into account the increased weight of modern gpus, and thus the case design, etc. ATX is an outdated specification, and is singlehandedly setting the entire pc tech development back years.
@guyfawkes0511 It is not up to motherboard manufacturers to accommodate heavier gpus. The issue is the heavy gpus themselves. Things have gotten out of control with newer gpus pulling crazy power numbers in order to remain competitive.
@@TechnologyHiveThis is the type of mentality that creates huge problems down the line. Like it or not, there is only so much efficiency that can be extracted from semiconductors. Unless they develop a new material or an entirely new process, GPUs will get bigger and heavier and this has to be addressed by standards that dictate motherboards, cases, and etc. Risers and GPU brackets are both band aid solutions.
Hey, love the video and the advice, will 100% consider it for my next build. What would you say is the best bet for a twin GPU setup for artists that need the extra computing power?
@pxgstudios I would find a "cube" type of case you can set on its side. This way both gpus are vertically.
That's why having your PC horizontal is the right way
@@andrescarrasco1248 That works too if you have the desk space.
maybe the age of air-cooled high-end GPU's is coming to an end, because these cards are getting way too large and heavy due to the oversized heat sink.
The RTX 5090 is rumoured to come out with a bigger heatsink. The Reference model at least.
@@TechnologyHive The reference model should at least be a hybrid cooler, even if it raises the cost a bit, in my opinion. What's an extra $50-$100 on top of your life savings?
@@nickdibart 😂😂
I understand; I should position the GPU vertically if it is heavy. Thank you.
@@NeuroViktori That's it 😊👍🏼
It's obvious that if a card is heavy, the weight must be supported in a balanced manner. Anyone who doesn't ask themselves this problem out of ignorance is right to pay for the repair. if there is a lot of demand, increase the prices of repairs for the stress they cause you, this is how the market works. Good job !!
I have plenty of work. I just want to bring this up to people's attention so they are more aware, and make the right hardware choices.
I’m so glad that I have always vertically mounted my 4070 Super from day one. I just absolutely dislike the sag on these gigantic cards and always been paranoid of the sag damaging the card even with a support bracket. Better to be safe than sorry :)
Nice! Your card should last you a lot longer this way!
If you put them vertically, what happens with the thermal paste?
I have seen supports for horizontal use on Amazon, would that also be an option?
@@Percycad Nothing happens to the thermal paste. I would advice you to put your heavy card on a 3rd party riser if you can. Best solution.
They should just add a liquid cooler in the RTX 5000 series and make the thing small and remove the BS power connecter, this shit is ridiculous !
They will never go with water cooling. They want to avoid as many RMA's as possible.
@@TechnologyHive You are correct about the RMA's side but at this point water cooling is the way to go !
maybe something like a external connector on the back of the card with just a water block on the card would make things easy on the RMA side !
@@TheCashman007 What you will see with RTX 5000 series is more of the same. But the 5090 is rumoured to be even bigger. That should definitely without question go on a riser.
@@TechnologyHive luckily for me i don't have money buy it !
I do not like risers I prefer good case I use Cooler master HAF XB EVO, mainboard is installed horizontally and my GPU vertically. One down side they stop making them 10 years ago.
@kkrolik2106 Ah, they don't make them like they used to, do they? That's a nice set up.
@@TechnologyHive I use this same Case and CPU cooler Noctua D14 for over 10 years already. Case weight a lot more compared to modern one quite thick steel sheets used. I still use Hot swap HDD bays :)
Agree. the only position i will use for my gpu is vertical or 90 degree.
That's where it should be! Nicely done!
That’s why I recommend Thermaltake CTE cases. No need for GPU bracket.
@@Typhon888 I have not seen one of these. I'll look it up 👍🏼
Just vertical mount like the rest of us and be done with it.
@@tommyt4259 That's it!
That solves one problem and creates another problem.
Vertical mounted GPUs are more likely to overheat because of worse air-flow.
I have an RX6900XT and I use a support. On the other side I fixated it with very tight screws. I think that will be enough to prevent damage.
@K.R.98 No. This only applies if you install it in a case which allows for vertical mount next to the side panel. But if you use a 3rd part vertical mount like I show in this video, temperatures are actually better than when installed horizontally.
@@TechnologyHive
Ah okay. Maybe I’ll try a vertical mount one day. I recently bought a cool infinity mirror support and I‘d like to use it for as long as possible
My Hellhound 7800XT has been iffy from the start without a support.
It didn't come in the box with one and I decided to order a cheap finger thing support from Aliexpress. In the 2-3 weeks it took to arrive I felt like my GPU was almost dying. It was sagging a lot, like 1cm difference between the bracket side and the other end of the GPU. It looked like it was gonna break in half like a bridge without proper supports.
In these ~3 weeks sometimes I would go to boot up the PC and it would enter a boot loop. Holding the GPU level with my finger would allow it to boot up normally. Also, if it was turned on, and I touched the GPU in any way, both audio and video would freeze and I would have to restart the system. Even the slightest of touches would do that.
After 3 weeks my GPU support from Aliexpress showed up, installed it such that the GPU is now level and I haven't had any issues for 7 months now.
@BogdanM116 The fact that you had troubles when it was sagging is a big red flag. Most likely you now have broken joints under the gpu or memory. It will only get worse as time goes by due to hot/cold cycles.
@@TechnologyHive You might be correct. However they won't accept RMA if the card is working fine, especially if my retailer tests it on something like a test bench standing vertically.
I have a 3 year warranty though (Like 2.5 still left). If it fully breaks in this time I can send it back then. If it doesn't, that's just unlucky. In 3 years I will probably upgrade my GPU either way so it is what it is.
@@BogdanM116 I hope all goes well.
Don't know why the industry hasn't innovated a solution that's being growing ( literally ) over the years?
"Cards" stopped being "cards" when they went from single slot with minimal weight to a card with 1KG of copper and aluminum hanging off one side.
The PCIE ( or any connector ) should NOT be used as a structural support.
Vertical mounting the GPU connected by the flexible cable takes pressure off of the PCB connector.
It is cost. They rather give you a cheap solution to a future problem. Usually problems begin after the warranty has expired.
After this video i buyed the cooler master v3 and now i have my 4080 in vertical mount :).
When the gpu was horizontal, i noticed that the support's positiion after a while moved outside. It was like the pressure, was making the support move.
Thanks :)
@xSup3rGtIVx Nice! The V3 is a nice vertical mount also. It's one of my favorites.
Personally I lay the PC flat on my side so the GPU is not sagging and then set the GPU support height so it just barely touches the GPU without exerting pressure. I've found this to be the only way to set the height properly.
I'm using the slot for the vertical mount as the passthrough to the external radiator (custom watercooling) and changing the layout would be a huge pain...
@@Steamrick I think that is better than having your heavy card sagging.
It's not just user error, but the support that comes with the card doesn't have any guide how to install them so people go with theit own assumption how to install them.
My support actually doesn't fit into my case so it's literally outside of it standing next to my case, but will adjust the height based on this. I do plan to buy a new case that can fit the cables and will try to get one where i can mount vertically to prevent this issue
@@ProfRoxas Your card will thank you 🙂
Kapono5150 said "This is incorrect use of GPU support, blame the user not the tool" , Spot on
@pc-ninja If they provide you a support it's because the card is too heavy to be installed on your pcie slot alone, in which case, the right move is to have it on a riser. Period.
@@TechnologyHive Well I have been using supports for over a year np here its how you install and use the GPU support and the type of GPU support used.
@pc-ninja Nope. Your card will eventually warp due to hot/cold cycles and having that heavy heatsink on it. I hope it does not crack any joints. It's an expensive repair.
@@TechnologyHive Nope it will not my GPU never get hotter that 80c under full load average temp is 70c under load. Also my GUP is under volted and overclocked. NP
Thank you for this info, vertical gpu mount for now on for my many builds
@chillinsince96 Glad the info was helpful!
Me with my 200IQ, flipping the pc case so it rests on the backside. No stress on the gpu, downside it takes up shitton of leg or desk space.
Yes that tends to do that for most cases :)
You know what you convinced me I just ordered a cooler Master vertical mount for my 7800xt. I used to have a 2070 which still worked by the time I was done using it but I could tell it had that warp you were talking about. I installed the support pillar while the PC was on its side, it was not pushing up too hard on the GPU. I believe when the GPU would heat up, the side that wasn't supported slowly begin to sag over time.
@allensmith3703 Nice! I think you'll love that mount by Cooler Master. It's user-friendly, and it just looks cool once installed in the case. Also, your gpu temps should be better, slightly.
After watching several vids of ppls pcb's cracking w/ GPU supports I bought a new case for my 4090 a month after I bought it. I run the case horizontally which allows my gpu to sit down directly into the mobo in the vertical position removing any stress on the pcb. I don't like the idea of using a gpu mount w/ a pcie extension cable; I prefer the peace of mind of a direct mount into the mobo pcie slot. I also run 4 temp probs on my gpu pwr plug to monitor the temps in case it starts to push to high I can shut it down. My plug temps while gamein CP2077 4K full PT runs at about 40C and idles at 32C.
Such an annoyance w/ these gpu's w/ all the potential pitfalls one can run into if they're not careful as it can turn into a crazy expensive mistake.
Good move! You can be sure you wont be having cracked joints under your GPU core or memory this way. Happy GPU :)
I'm going to rethink buying on the used market now.
@user-ku3sx8lo1g It is a risk always. Especially if it's a large card. I'd just save and buy new or get something more affordable, and install it vertically on a 3rd party riser.
Have been using gpus with and without support brackets for many years and from my perspective I believe sometimes people just install or use them wrong from what I have seen and experienced but the case with the modern supports is the fact that it might be too much sometimes
It is a combination of both, heavy cards and people not knowing how to properly install them. AIB partners do not include manuals explaining people how to properly use the included supports or people just overdoing it.
What about ledges? GPU ledge vs GPU support. It's an arm that sticks out of the side of the motherboard that allows the GPU to lie ontop of it. Supports the entire end side of the card instead of just a corner.
That might work. But to guarantee your GPU wont suffer damage from sag, I'd stick to a vertical mount. Its just the best way to go to protect your purchase.
Asrock z690 extreme has this as an accessory, but I'm a vertical guy myself.
@@jrose-xp6tf Nice! That will hopefully keep your card away from repair shops :)
@@TechnologyHive all my P.C.s are vert- mounted, every one
@@TechnologyHive don't vertically mounted GPUs has worse airflow? Also where would you get a pcie 5 riser
My old card was sagging like crazy because it had no backplate and it was still alive and showed no signs of core or memory breaking off the pcb after 4 years of intense use. How do these newer cards break with a little sag upwards? That's crazy
@NotReallyLaraCroft Older cards used leaded solder, which is less prone to cracking. Today they use lead-free solder, which it's more brittle.
I like the look of them mounted with a riser cable. Have done it on my current and last GPU. I do have a little magnetic post that I put under the shroud between the gpu and the case vertical mounting so it prevents sag because I use a Thermaltake core P3 and because of the design of that case the mounting bracket for vertical gpu mounts isn’t supported as well as a full on enclosed PC case.
If you're going to spend so much money on a heavy graphics card, put it on a riser.
Totally agree. I have my 7900xtx on a vertical mount in my NV5 case. Not only does it look better, but also the card is better supported and wont be damaged at the PCB slot. I think a vertical mount can lose you 2-5 degrees in temperature but longevity is more important imo.
That's how that beast is supposed to be. If its a 79XTX it probably is a big heavy card?
the off the shelf suppors can cause it to bend I 3d printed a groot figure that supports the whole card not just the back half full support or no support is best in my opinion
@robertking3090 Too bad TH-cam doesn't allow for pictures to be posted in the comments so we can see your 3D printed support. Sounds interesting.
ok, well a riser is a bit pricey to me, do you have any more... budget options?
@Sell_Sec Look up the Phanteks riser for around 50 bucks. Very well worth it if you have a large, expensive card.
im using those cheap bolt type, no issue..dont put right to the edge put it just before the a little after the end of the pcie slot and dont set it to push the gpu up just let the gpu rest on the thing
Just keep an eye on the PCB. Cold/hot cycles after a while will warp the PCB if not supported correctly. Even so, I still recommend vertical mounting. But I do understand not everyone is able to do so. Just keep an eye on it :)
@@TechnologyHive thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye on it or later move on to vertical mount...my old case can't vertical mount as gpu kinda thick but got a new case today that is able to. Vertical mount surely the better way for these big long thick GPU
@ahwai82 Yes sir. Just to protect your purchase.
Rejoice you are gonna get more work like this soon. The new titans is said to have 2x the performance. You know what that means, more heavier heat sinks!
@Treestorm Lol same goes for the 5090. It's supposed to be a huge card also. More work for me 🙂
I use gpu support and it holds good, No issues, Without a gpu support you have to use a riser vertical support, Not using anything will crack you pci on you gfx card, On their newer gpu's, Because they are simply too big on the heatsink part not too now, Atleast on nvidia's side.
The ppl saying you don't need gpu support are out to lunch.
@@tmsphere It's crazy i know 😝
By the weight of these cards, you need some support if installed horizontally. but it needs to be done correctly.
My lego does a good job already 😂
@@IYouLikeCheeseI Hey, later you can add your card to your Lego collection 😉
Meanwhile me : putting my pc horizontally like old ass pc 😅
@phu755 Whatever it takes to avoid long-term damage.
I noticed this with my 4080 Gaming OC and now I have 3 GPU supports with the card perfectly leveled, kind off. But that's just me.
@club4ghz I'd still try to look for a vertical mount. But hey, that's just me. These cards are too expensive and I get then in for repair often due to the same problem. Sag.
@@TechnologyHive I know. I noticed it started bending in the middle even with gigabyte support bracket installed so I removed it and made 3 stick like supports out of wood with rubber ends and I had to adjust their position over time to straighten the pcb back how it was. It still has slight bend, not much upwards in the corner where the power connector is but I can't do anything about it anymore. I got the core area perfectly straight, and I will be checking for changes once in a while
@@club4ghz hope that works out for you! But these heavy cards just need to be vertically installed.
If a person has a huge GPU the correct method is to mount it either vertically or horizontal in a case. Putting that much pressure on the motherboard and case is a very dumb idea.
The GPU should be installed vertically, being so heavy as these newer cards are. Just to prevent damage in the future.
this is likely starting to happen to my 6900XT Red Devil Ultimate, good thing it was free and im building a whole new system soon anyway
Better soon than later. That's a big card too. IT should be on a riser imo.
Im sorry, when you say riser do you mean the simple like rods that just lift up one corner? Magnet on the bottom and you slowly raise them up to fit underneath? Also, i couldnt find your video on this subject.
Thanks in advance!
@@RepublicofODLUM No no. A vertical riser mount, like the Phanteks riser mount or Cooler Master V3. Look those up.
@@TechnologyHive Thank you for the quick reply 🫡
Now I know why GPUs I want are never in stock!
@@UnknownMoses Why is that?
I have a low end gpu. A 6600XT. Basically as just a frame buffer. As an enthusiast I much rather see efficiency being the goal rather than the current brute force approach. This includes AMD, Intel, Nvidia. The power consumption of cpu's and gpu's today is terrible. Don't get me started on the size of the four slot cards.
I like the 6600XT. Aside from it being limited to PCI-e X8 Gen 4, you must have a 4.0 Gen PCI-e to not have it bottlenecked by Gen 3.0 X8. That would suck.
I know this is a late comment and I'm not sure if you will still see it to respond. If a riser cable then guarantees you to get no gpu sag at all, what would be the best case/airflow configuration for a airflow build. I was looking and finally found the Antec Flux pro and the case seems really really good for a airbuild and horizantal mount(I have not bought the case yet), and currently I own a 4090 msi trio x gaming and was thinking of getting a gb-001 horizantal support bracket that attaches to the motherboard for that case whenever I do get it.
With a riser what would be the best case then since wouldn't the airflow from the gpu be hindered a bit, since the hot air would be hitting the back of the case instead of going up and out of the case immediately and since every single case reviewer I see, says the same thing about air not liking to move in 90 degree patterns, is there a case that is optimal for a riser cable airflow build? Also what is the specific riser cable I should buy then, since I've been using a gpu vertical support bracket from the msi suprim x 3090, for my 4090.
@lovie74 The best case for a Phanteks vertical mount is the G500. Hands down the best case for the money. It supports 420mm AIOs as well.
@TechnologyHive I see that's nice I'll look into it. I personally don't like aios at all I'd rather just have a optimal airflow build with a noctua nhd15 g2. Since that is as good as any aio for ryzen cpus from all the benchmarks I've seen of that air-cooler vs aios.
Also was the main issue for people horizontal GPU mounts because they put it at the end? Like how about if you supported it somewhat in the middle and end so it's just fully supported horizontally since I don't mind how my build looks ngl, I don't care about asthetics at all just most quiet case fans which is why I use noctua fans and best performance.
@@lovie74 i would rather just get a vertical mount. you can support it as you see fit as it is your property. but these cards are too heavy to be installed horizontally. as i write this, i have 5 cards here with cracked joints under the core, cracked PCB's and memory pads ripped. all this is common in cards installed horizontally.
@@TechnologyHive if there is this many issues with these. I wonder if Nvidia will be able to do anything in the future with the 5090 to support it more since I feel like it will be even heavier...
I'll try to look into vertical mounting since I've never done it and it always looked riskier to me back when they were just pcie 3.0. Since it always looked scary to hold a GPU that's heavy vertically like that butz im assuming it's safer now or more advanced than years ago
@@TechnologyHive I looked into it a bit, and you were right like everything you said in your video also the wobble and GPU sag seems to be fixed with vertical mount besides some really heavy cards still somehow sagging with vertical mounts from some other videos I've binged.
Jayztwocents recommended the coolermaster riser cable and alot of people online have to since it's adjustable and seems to hold graphic cards well.
I am curious on your recommendation for a vertical GPU mount for a MSI gaming trio x 4090 or does it not matter aslong it's its a vertical mount? Sorry about typing so much but for a year I've used a GPU support bracket for a my 4090 and I bought it used for 1200 USD( never had problems with it) but, not I'm getting worried since I don't want it to die on me early. Sorry for all the replies and questions.
When you mount the card as standard, you mount it when the case with the motherboard installed lies on its side. Then, with a card that sits perfectly in the slot and does not bend, you mount the support so that it does not bend the card, then when you place the casing on its feet, the card will partially rest on the support and the rest will normally be based on the rear mounting on the casing and the PCIe slot. In this example, the card support was too long and bent the card the other way. This is definitely user error.
@Roy88772 If the cards were not being built weighing 2kg, and ~12" long, there would be no need for support. Hot/cold cycles will warp the pcb if installed horizontally, even with a support.
@@TechnologyHive And what if we support the card centrally, exactly in the critical place of the PCB and not the card housing and cooling itself?
@@Roy88772 I don't know. I'd just put it on a vertical mount and be done with it. This I do know works.
I feel like a better support design would be something the extends all the way from the pcie slot under the card to the end of it, but shipping that much surface area starts to get expensive.
It would be cheaper and more effective to install heavy cards on a vertical riser. It costs less than a fix of broken solder joints.
@@TechnologyHive A pcie riser is more expensive than an L shaped piece of sheet metal, it's literally just a 2-3 step part to stamp out.
@@dragonproductions236 Okei. Have it your way 😉
Glad my GPU came with a support that cannot even cause problems like this.
@@ElitePWNSFace Hope that works out for you in the long run.
@@TechnologyHive Thanks. Glad mine came with one. Having to buy a one-third party would have been annoying.
I think its more of a user problem. Its very easy to make the support too tight and in the wrong spot, causing the middle arch in the pcb. Also, not all supports are the same. Its all common sense. No support is not good either. I do agree though that the safest way is to vertically mount it with a riser cable . Least chance of movement.
No it is not. People buy a graphics card and expect it to work as it should. The problem is manufacturers reusing the same heavy heatsinks, and causing the lead-free solder joints to crack due to stress on the pcb. I use leaded solder which is less brittle than that lead-free junk, which cracks easier. No matter where you put that support, the PCB will warp in time after many hot/cold cycles with these heavy heatsinks. The fix is to install these things vertically. Done.
GPU supporting brackets are a great tool when used properly. the purpose of that tool is to provide support. not raise the gpu. when users think its better to let it bend upwards instead that's when things go wrong.
The problem is that these cards are too heavy now. If the weight wasn't an issue, supports wouldn't ben needed. And all these cards I have here dead would still be working.
I am glad I don’t have one of those monster gpu's. I have a smaller case and the MSI 2x 4070 ti Super is the perfect size. Sets horizontal like a gpu should 😊 I seriously cannot believe the size of the 4080 and 4090 cards just beasts..
@@OzzyFan80 A 2 fan card I'd have no problem installing horizontally.
The issue about vertical mounts is first of all airflow,and second it doesn’t fit with some cases,it just can’t fit in with the fans,or something else.
@@Dumb_Thing That's because you're thinking about vertical.mouny using your PC case's vertical mount option. That's not what I recommend. 3rd party risers like those by Phanteks and Cooler Master V3 are the best.
@@TechnologyHive ah,my bad then,sorry
@Dumb_Thing Naw no need for apology 👍🏼
When you buy a 2300$ gpu, spend 150$ on a case where it sits vertically
@Sakura_Yuki_NC Yup I agree 👍🏼 💯
Can you please show me $150 (or any price) non-junk case that have at least 4 slots, preferably with extra one slot space for dedicated vertical mount not interfering with normal slots and being able fit water cooling and at least 4 HDD?
I am using Fractal Define 7XL and it can only fit 3 slot card that would be suffocated by glass side panel, unfortunately my card is 3.5 slots, so it doesn't even fit.
@@pavelgajdik7486 Take a look at the Phanteks Eclipse G500A
@@TechnologyHive Nope, that's still only 3 slots and slightly less depth in main chamber, I pretty much went through all main brands and plenty of-brands, over several hundred cases and in end compromise on Define 7 XL.
@@pavelgajdik7486 Okei...so you already had an answer to your own question before posting you first comment. Nice!
Some stands/brackets come with a sim
I'm using the one that came with my Fractal Torrent case on my Strix 4080. Even though I'm using a higher end AsRock mobo I dont' want to risk the weight of this pig of a card damage the slot over time. 😁
@@nicktayloriv310 Whatever works for you 🙂.
That depends on the support used. XFX cards like the 7900XTX come with a Bracket support instead of a Pole Support.
@thelaughingmanofficial Nope. If installed horizontally, your card's pcb will, in time, begin to warp due to hot/cold cycles. Heavy cards need to go on a riser.
These latest cards are not the first to sag a lot and ppl were fine with having them horizontally for almost a decade. This is a lot of panic mongering.
@@tmsphere That is because for decades leaded solder was used. Today, everyone wants to go "green", and lead-free solder is being used. Lead-free solder is more brittle than leaded solder, and will crack easier.
I use leaded solder in all my repairs, and so far I have not had any reballs come back even on slightly warped PCB cards.
@@TechnologyHive A Bracket support is far more stable than a Pole mount. It's physics, it's not that hard to understand.
@@thelaughingmanofficial what would you consider a bracket support?
I have my bracket screws loose (about a half turn from tight) with a support holding it up just a hair, it's worked just fine for me for the past year and a half.
@user-lx1nh7gg8o I hope it works out for you in the long run.
It is frustrating. I hate it that folks do not put these in correctly. The bracket doesn't need to be so extended that it does this crap. People do not value physics at all!
It is not people which is the problem. It is the weight of the card that's the problem.
@TechnologyHive it all makes sense now. Basically, they are heavy and need support.
@@leemercey2260 Support in the right place and done at the right time. Not after it's been screwed in place.
How much that thermal cycling is effecting this?
I have 4090 and it's idling around 45C.
Remember some of my "old cards" 1080Ti or 2080Ti was idling around 50-60C and under load about 80C. So smaller dT between gaming/idle and using 24/7 it won't drop back to 22C unless i do some maintenance. Can't remember what was 3090 idle temps.
Changing temperature is always mechanical stress to solder balls.
It really depends on how much stress the PCB is under. If the card is sagging a lot, the core or memory chips may develop cracked joints sooner or later. My 4090 idles at the same temperature. It is normal.
@@TechnologyHive I added that support what come with gpu and adjusted it when I was building it so it should be in ok place. Maybe need to check if lock screw was tightened right in that and it's height haven't changed.
Also no space for vertical adapter because all accessible pcie slots are in use.
Vertical mounts ftw 😀
I can't estructuraly understand how a CPU would detach from the board in a vise grip configuration. the cold Plate is being Forced Down the CPU and the Board together by the CPU Screw mount
Easily done, by hot/cold cycles and adding just a bit of resistance on either side of the card. The lead-free solder which is much more brittle than leaded solder will then crack in time, and cause disconnect between the board and the GPU core.
Yeah except if you don't use one with the size of the cards these days your pcie slot gets damaged like mine did and forced me to get a gpu support so my bottom one doesn't get damaged either..
The PCIe slots get damaged real bad during transport, if the card is installed. Both, the slot and card can be damaged.
I have my gpu in a crib like a baby. Give it some tummy time so it gets a strong core.
Okei...what type of crib 😅
Hello I just got a hella expensive setup with a 4090 which is put horizantally. After learning about the sagging issue I ordered pole like support but now I see this video. I don’t really wanna change the case or the set up right now. Was wondering if I can just put my case horizantally on the desk, could that solve the problem ?
If you have the room, that will definitely fix the issue, yes. 👍
Bro just get a gpu support WITH a mini bubble spirit level. Basically these spirit levels are meant for detecting gpu sag and if you're applying too much pressure on your GPU with the bracket (so you can adjust it). It's really not that complicated lol
@@thelonercoder5816 A min bubble spirit? Never heard of that one. I will look that up :)
I don't see how a post or something your gpu is just resting on is going to damage it. Maybe the garbage ones that don't have a post touching the ground where it's literally just attaching more weight to your gpu.
@OGTH-camEnjoyer It's a mix of people not using the supports correctly and graphics cards getting heavier and heavier.
@@TechnologyHive Yeah who cares about people not using things correctly that's their own fault. Even as they get heavier having a post rest level underneath the one unsupported side isn't going to cause any damage since it's also being supported my the case and the pcie port
Loved this video, but bro please take a tripod for the camera so you can have 2 free hands for better video quality. Take care
@@FortycadeConcept Thanks for watching 🙂