Why Splatoon 3's Meta Might Be Finally Changing
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Whenever I feel concerned with the meta, I remind myself that triple tri-slosher didn’t last forever.
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Oh no that brings terrible memories
What about quad shooter?
@@Smacdown08 I tune that out.
LMAO true
I hope to see a mix between the passive and aggressive play styles. I think the ability to choose how a team wants to play can be healthiest for the game, limiting players to one specific strategy is just going to make the game less fun.
Example A: Quad Shooter
@@90degreesfahrenheitgaming57 I completely agree. I think some other examples are the quick respawn stealth jump meta from the end of splatoon 1, and dubble splash from the beginning of splatoon 3.
welp you were sure right about that
I don’t like how everything feels like just fight fight fight rn
My thoughts: though it was pretty forced onto us the meta right now is a lot healthier than the crab and more passive meta at the start of the game
Man with the sizzle season, I’m pretty sure we all were too harsh on it, I mean seriously so many more weapons are able to flourish now that the meta weapons have been tamed back. Honestly the future of this game is a 50/50 but the patches are heading in the right direction
I agree I think the devs have a better idea of what they're doing than we think
I enjoyed sizzle season ALOT more than I thought I would.
Let's go! No more Machine deaths because I suck at the game!
im mostly upset at the lack of kits and the lack of map changes
Yeah but its too little too slow too late, lets hope things get better / improve much more after when Side-Order is released, then theyll have NO MORE excuses, but cmon 1 more year until then its too long…….
I hope both of them end up being viable, I really like the idea of multiple playstyles across teams all being good in a high level setting, rather than just every team having to have a similar strategy.
This game's new meta is actually looking very promising so far, the much higher level of Tacticoolers allows people to run in relatively safely, making things more exciting and fun for both players and viewers. I've also been seeing more variety than ever, enabling a lot of different playstyles, which is always a very good thing for a game's meta to have!
5:35 I noticed that’s what u and Last resort did for the first game against starburst in the Splatoon qualifiers. Your N-zap was able to have tacticooler throughout nearly the whole game which allowed ur team to play extremely aggressively
Honestly it would be cool to see both styles be useable in the Meta. It would be an interesting clash of fast pace vs careful push. It could lead to pretty interesting interactions and maybe even comps to counter each other. Then it sorta just builds from there as each side tries to adapt to the other, allowing things to constantly be fresh
I wonder if splatoon 3 will ever have its own identity. Instead of the splat 1 or splat 2 styles. I hope it evolves to be something that's different and better than its predecessors due to how unique the movement is.
It is its own thing tbh
I'd argue that the fact that there is this variety and n playstyles in the first place is already what makes the identity of Splatoon 3
it's already it's own game with it's own meta. the play styles are different because specials and subs and main weapons are all different. it's a lot faster paced than splatoon 2.
I mean, we more so just refer to the styles more so as S1=Agro S2=Passive even if they still play different from those games. If you want that really passive playstyle, you still have to play S2, and if you want that really agro style, well you’re SOL
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I think the slow style of comp is going to be more popular for sure. The faster comps seem more map dependent to me (at least with this games current map design) so depending on the map list for a particular tournament they could be really good or just okay. The slower comps work well on pretty much any map, so I'd expect most top level teams to keep using those while some teams might also have a more aggressive secondary comp
I am not sure where the meta is going. As you said, we just started, so nobody can really know for sure. I hope to see an equal use of playing styles from all three Splatoon games.
I love the "Arashi going full force on the enemy team carelessly" meta
I think the latest patch will definitely cause more diversity in the meta. Maybe future patches will emphasize this diversity and continue to give teams more options.
Personally, both from small competitive experience and how I generally play the game, aggro comps are really good. I remember a game we had where me on the dapples nouveau and my buddy on the N-ZAP solo-beat a wahoo world rainmaker with our two other team members distracting and holding up the enemy, and it was almost humiliating how well it worked.
I think about it like this: the qr comps might work short term, but the issue is they only just run at the enemy, which is working now bc of the ballpoint crutch. I think S2 meta will prevail, but I think there will be a new style of meta in the upcoming patch and update
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Fantastic video. I think whats going to be interesting is the style players will choose to fend off the other form of playstyle. More aggressive comps are going to find ways to pressure up the patient comps and patient comps will find ways to stall out aggressive comps. We are in it for the long haul with the meta but I'm honestly happy about it. Meta constantly changing keeps the game and the competitive scene fresh. It's not stuck to the same weapons over and over again. Its much more enjoyable to watch as well!
The special saver on cooler is great for splashes, as I feel like splashes were forced to be too passive in the previous meta despite it being a weapon that can fight very well, just because crab was so valuable and dying with it was a huge detriment. But with cooler, it allows for the splashes to be much more aggressive without having the consequences of losing crab. We’ve never had a special more uniquely synergistic with other main and special weapons than cooler, really excited to see what teams do with it.
Wow, I’m so excited for the Tacti Cooler quick respawn meta. Definitely haven’t seen something like that in Splatoon 1. It was so fun! Can’t wait!
Cool, thanks to this vid, I might've found my next weapon I'm gonna play for this season.
8:42 The diversity was even good at launch. Tower Comps: alright everybody except Timmy is using heavy for waves and Timmy using squelchers.
my team's always been about the aggressive, in your face style. so to see it getting some recognition is actually really cool to see. personally I hope both fighting styles get used, as it would add a lot of diversity to the game, and make some interesting match ups
the 2 different ideas could be very map dependent with some wider maps with other ways in cooler can be good but on hallway maps the more slow-paced will be better i think that both can work just as well as one another and it just a matter of time before teams start learning the 2 different playstyles
on the other hand there could be another one where midlines can be good as these provide good aggression and defiance at the same time (this is just 96d compium though)
variety meta is upon us
I rlly played BP for a bit, had to leave the game for a season, came back and suddenly it's the best weapon in the game that was so out of nowhere for me!
Yay finally i won’t get disrespect for using my main despite using ballpoint since day one
Something I really hope to happen is eventually a Splatoon 3 playstyle begins to shine. I know that at the moment, the game is arranged in a way that allows the other 2 comps to be very powerful, but if something new can be discovered or made in the coming months that is completely unlike the other 2 games, I think it would be really cool. This game is a new game from the other 2. Something new that rises up would be really nice.
I mean these two ways are already unlike the other two games, we just call them those because it's a simple and understandable way to distinguish them. this _is_ splatoon 3, the weapon and playstyle diversity, the weapons and specials... the maps I guess but we don't talk about those
I think that after all the patches and weapons we've gotten and everything that's happened thus far, the meta is going to keep moving. I don't know how it'll move, but we've already seen that this patch has shaken up what we think is meta relevant by so much. The potential variability of this new meta is intriguing, and I'm really looking forward to seeing what other weapons are brought into the spotlight.
I’ve been playing a lot since launch but I haven’t played since sizzle season, when I heard what you were saying about the past meta I actually said out loud, “No more splash!”
in the end, it's still unironically chaos vs order
6:30 and allowing storm to keep doing storm things, like getting wipeouts and making questionable fashion decisions.
This is amazing because i dont want to use double splash in my comps but i want wepons that my team want or like to play
This is so well made lol
i would love to see a meta or stage design that supports going both ways, or having some of both, or something different like using more strategy
I'm sure that if more and more teams experiment with different compositions especially with how diverse the weapons are now, we'll eventually come across some really good comps that make use of weapons that not a lot of people find use with
I think we should embrace the brella redemption movement
I knew nzap would be good this patch, I was going 3 special charge mains and special power up subs. I was almost permanently juiced up and my team never lost a push
It’s honestly kind of interesting when you look at the styles from a tactical view. You have an aggressive side, and a passive side, which cancel each other out. It comes down to coordination and skill, but it’s still fun to look at.
Honestly though, I think the more ideas and experimentation we could get later on would open more options and ideas, allowing us to have some crazy comps… if Nintendo actually adds new stuff and ideas. (Give us inkable walls and more diverse maps instead of Tetris please!)
To be honest, I hope we actually don’t go back to the splatoon 3 kind of play style. It would be really cool for other weapons to finally shine again with the QR type of play but we just gotta wait and see. Oh one more thing…
STORM CAN FINALLY USE OTHER WEAPONS IN SCRIMS AND TOURNAMENTS LETS GOOOOOO!!
I think [and hope] that it will be a sort of rock paper scissors style meta, where theres the slow moving special cycle comp, the fast paced qr comp, and hopefully a third comp of flexibility and distraction, such as maybe custom dualie squelcher and light tetra that focuses on stalling the faster comp. my idea here is slow counters the flexible distraction comp, flexible counters the faster comp, and the faster comp counters the special cycle [slow] comp. I'm tired so I just hope this makes sense.
For sure both types will be used and it is 100% gonna be based on maps and what teams like to play
love that vsause part
I think a mix will be the best timeline, with wiper deco and n-zap being a lot more aggressive with stamper and maybe vsplash being able to use cooler to get in and take space
I'm really excited if soda zap support becomes a staple, it's really cool
i dropped off the competitive scene news for a bit after totk's release and big run, and i got to say that i'm JAZZED slosher is kinda meta. i'm a bucket fan, i'm trying to 4-star most of the sloshers (still need to do tri nouv, machine, slosher deco, but will not be doing blob), so i love seeing buckets in the meta.
I really like how diverse things are getting
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I mean I'm far from ever being a meta player especially since I just like playing whatever weapon that I like most but eventually I would like to see maybe the game having both playstyles being a viable option whether you want to be quick to respond or you want to be a special stalling both is better than just one
Honestly depends on if thet fix the maps. Like, entirely.
I feel like the QR comps are going to counter the Defence comps in most cases especially if the maps are good however in the hallways that are called maps the Defence comps will remain super especially if the special or pp is not nerfed.
To answer the question from the end of the video idk if witch meta is gonna win but my guess is splat 1 as I feel the devs would want to change things up and splat 3 feels like its trying to be closer to splat 1 than 2 but at the end of the day I hope both are reliable as it would have lots of variety and be really fun
When you are not that good at the game (like me) i feel like quick agro comps are really fun since it doesn't matter if you didn't win the fight, as long as someone else in your team is alive you can comeback and have a second chance plus the other team also doesn't get the time to regroup or have specials ready for a second fight
though it probably doesnt sound as good as i think, i do feel pencil has potential in zones. it can paint very well from very far (only outranged by liter) and on some maps cap zone with 1 charge. with the pain buff it can get 4 full charges with just lde, and it can do what nzap has been doing with constant cooler uptime. snipewriter has the fastes strafe speed of any charger (better than a hydra) and cheapest tap shots, so it can position aggressively much better than other anchors, so it doesnt really need to move up a ton to place cooler. Also because of its range and having cooler, snipewriter can run respawn punisher without much risk.
snipewriter is also quite good at covering teammates and holding zone as a main weapon, becuase it can fire its shots whenever it wants, enemies cant reliably know when its charging or just waiting, and they cant just wait out its duration like a splatling. you need to dedicate some resources to moving it whenever you move.
and for what its worth, sprinker is naturally better in zones than other modes
He predicted it
I think both styles of play really have their place in the current meta and it all depends on team play as to which is better.
I want the “rock paper scissors” style meta back, like how it was in “golden age” splat 2. But with different weapons ofc, like blasters/aoe in general -> brellas and such -> high mobility like dualies and splatanas -> blasters/aoe. If that makes any sense at all, that meta was lots of fun and could have a lot of potential in splat 3
With our current maps, I think that both play styles will be playable. You could be patient and cycle specials for a push, or you could throw Tac or QR at the enemy and get in that way. However, if the maps are fixed, I think that it will be more like splatoon 1.
Im thinking both playstyles will have their places, namely that certain maps will favor one meta over the other. If in the mid season patch Nintendo decides to change maps again and adds more routes (however unlikely that may be) i fully expect QR comps to take over, but if not its a toss up between maps and modes.
Killing an enemy isn't as valuable if they can reingage so quickly, but if they don't have a good way to immediately reingage then that QR just means they're running into bullets even faster. Only time will tell I suppose
I think passive will be better but I hope a aggressive meta would be more fun
Id ideally like for a mixed meta keeps things fresher and allows for top level players to "sneak" in so oddity choices (like the player that brought an h-3 to a tourney)
Im hoping a new style of plag can cone out and maybe we could get a rock paper scissors meta one thriving a bit better that the one its good at and does worse against the one it bad at
I like seeing both styles around. Aggressive comps can overwhelm special comps easily, but that can also be protected against with enough knowledge and the right tools. Meanwhile special comps can shut down aggressive comps with their larger special arsenal, but that can also be played around.
Its the ying and yang dynamic and im here for it
Its nice how splat 3 is a mixture of splat 1 and 2 qnd the meta is like it
Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if there was some random insane patch coming up for the next patch notes. Depending on how it goes it could even give splat 3 its own identity with playstyle.
Also wouldn't be shocked if it was a mix of playstyles either.
I think the more S2 comp is still the “better” comp atp, but i think with just a few more buffs in the right direction, the more S1 type comp could be on equal footing or surpass it. The general lack of strong AOE weapons and kits comparable to machine just makes it a lot harder
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The team with Norishio, Kurokuro, Lyre, and Mashuu just being better is also a significant factor in that matchup against Starburst. Really stacked team.
Machine also likely gonna just bounce back once people realize machine is still the best aoe weapon in the game and is still amazing at enabling other weapons with its damage. Honestly thinking of picking it up right now, really doubting it'll ever have an alternative at this rate. I don't think any other aoe weapon is gonna get a kit with as much synergy and power as machine's. Maybe next season they'll give some weapons bombs again and we'll see something different.
Splash-O-Matic is kinda like Melee Fox, it is great for the meta and is fun to play, but gives very few other weapons a chance.
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That's such a poetic sentiment that the platoon 3 meta is a clash between the splatoon 1 and 2 playstyles
I don't play competitive but I play high level X rank and anarchy, and it definitely FEELS like it is changing to me. That said we are still not that far out from the new season & patch so, I think things are still shaking out, but yeah it does seem like there is a lot more diversity in the weapon selection currently.
I think people are counting machine out because of the nerf, but I think it's in a healthy state right now and is not underpowered especially if you run movement speed up on some of your builds. This helps mitigate the "sluggish" feel since you're moving faster even though there's more time in between swings.
Machine's kit synergizes with it so well and it still denies space so well with its wide hitbox that I think its completely reasonable to see one on teams going forward.
The one class i do think is underpowered is brellas. I used to be a brealla main and even the new tent feels lacking. I wish we could get a damage buff to make the classic brella feel threatening and a small buff to the tent recovery time or time to open.
I think that the new meta is going to be based around the maps with ones like eeltail being more slow and patient and ones like flounder being a lot faster filled with quick respawn. Overall, I see the meta shifting towards faster gameplay, but that is my bias from a tetra die hard who loves fast paced games.
I think tri-slosher nouveau can cover both an AOE weapon and a 180 p tacticooler weapon and then you have room for a splash, ballpoint, stamper etc
I don't watch splatoon 3 pro matches a lot so take this with a grain of salt but I could see the meta going where it integrates both where it's high pressure to keep the opponent on the heals but also being patient and playing for your special
We're slowly growing into a healthier meta. We have a slow defensive comp that works really well and a fast agresive comp in the making. We just need a potential third comp, more alternative options for the existing comps and then maybe the meta would be good
Finally tacticooler is meta, I love zap, also I think both playstyles can be usable Right now but it is quite early to tell, at least I am happy there is more variety on the game
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i personally feel the meta changes will be map and mode dependant, larger maps seem to favor qr, while tighter maps seem to favor slowly but effectively claiming space
I do like the direction the meta is heading in and it feels like the devs are trying to push both styles of play given how they’ve released strong standalone weapons and weapons focused around a team. It’s still to early to tell but I’m sure teams will be able to build their own comps to their liking and the meta will not be pigeonholed into s1 or s2 metas
it’s been 9 months but we finally got the meta staple n-zap that all the players thought would happen at the start of splatoon 3
This is by far the best update not just because of the new stuff but the balance too
Honestly, the meta of Splatoon 3, a game that celebrates the series by taking aspects from the first two games and combining them, having a meta that’s a war between the qrsp meta from the first game and the cautious defensive playstyle from the second is actually quite perfect.
I do think that with the latest patch, the two big team comps (fast and slow) will swap over the coming months, and maybe even years. We've seen the slow style become dominant near the start and now we're having faster, more aggressive comps being viable. It feels like there will not be one viable comp, but several different comps, each being either more or less viable than the other, and that's cool.
Although, I don't exactly know, since I am just a salmon run player after all, so I could be talking nonsense for all I know.
does this mean tacticooler is finally going to be the special people thought was going to be meta during the testfire?
I hope that both work, since having a more diverse Meta would be nice. Making one playstyle needed to even compete isnt so nice, having multiple playstyles accesible makes watching more interesting since everyone isnt doing the same thing
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what im hoping for is a 3rd meta that creates a meta Rock/Paper/Scissors dynamic where each specific playstyle is strong against one and weak against another
but failing that, my guess is that Splash will still reign supreme until they fix some of the reliability issue with Blasters, though without making them overpowered
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You didn't even watch it yet
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@@lottesotte2912 I mean, the video *is* almost 10 minutes long
@@lottesotte2912 you posted this within the first minute when the video came out and it's nearly 10 minutes long. You didn't watch it
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I've never really cared for meta, I always thought that if you are skilled with your weapon and you can support your team with what you have, then that works good enough. But I do hope that the meta changes, since this one has been bugging me since day 1.
I think that the meta will end up being situation based but leaning more to defensive tactics being the more versatile
Hope that Range gets in competitive soon as a viable alternative to S'Blast.
I think the meta might be an in-between of the two where you use splatoon ones aggressive playstyle with powerful specials farming them like splatoon 2 while getting to mid quick and hopefully using them after key players and specails are down to get key pieces of the map - also who knows maybe it’ll be all 3 splatoon 3 only time will tell :)
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I really want dapples to be one of the first hyper aggressive support weapons due to it having such a good kit and it’s weapon isn’t too terrible for that kinda of playstyle. The problem is that N-Zap exists and I don’t think any weapon contests it the aggressive support category and it’s slightly upsetting.
Technically speaking, the competition between these two different playstyles can be seen as a new Team Chaos (QR comp) vs Team Order (special spam comp)
If Tacticooler comps are the way to go, I wondered if we’ll finally see the vDapples getting some love, as Beakons are good for getting people back in the action, without needing another player who would potentially be in harms way.
Problems abound thou. First, using super jump is substantially faster, so much so you get to keep the respawn armor for a bit after you land, letting you survive any bombs or ambushes. The only way to emulate that speed with beakons would be to run nothing but sub power up.
This makes beakons redundant, which sucks because Dapples would love a proper bomb to toss to mitigate their poor range. Without a way to poke a distant enemies, they’re left with nothing more but a telegraphed approach and a weapon that is easily outranged. Neither the NZap 85 or TriSlosher Nouveau have to worry about this, and the better range on the main weapons let them farm Cooler easier and faster to boot.
So sadly, when the Dapples aren’t being outclassed by the Tetras, they’re being outclassed by everything else.
Anyone know what tournament that was at 2:05? One of the rounds has my team supposedly in it but I literally do not recall playing against Starbust, unless there are two teams with that name floating around and we just didn't realise it
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I genuinly think both could stick around in the meta, especially after the mid season patch where some of the weapons on the brink of being meta or niche could get just what they need to be used more