Anna scream when Bates got sentence was so raw and I think what's worse it was so relatable because that was the one thing she did not want to hear. Her life destroyed in one word
@Elena Serrano She’s a good actress yes. It’s all acting though so not knowing how the trial went wouldn’t make a difference. It doesn’t sound true as they’d be expected to learn their lines.
@@trainman665 Improv=improvisation. Method acting is famous for calling upon authentic emotions within to inhabit a character completely. Becoming so immersed within a character can be good and bad, but it is always intense. It often creates amazing moments.
That scene in the prison when Anna tells him that she isn't sorry she married him and has no regrets, despite everything, and she would marry him all over again ... his reaction to that and the tear that goes down his cheek... phenomenal chemistry between Brendan and Joanne.
@@annaeckholt9314 Vera, Bates' first wife committed suicide via poisoning the food she ate the evening after John had come to see her and have it out about how she destroyed the chances for a "civil" divorce. In all fairness she was angry that Bates had moved on with his life and found peace and happiness at Downton Abbey and especially with Anna. Vera wanted revenge. Bates had went to prison once to cover up Vera's theft and lies. He wasn't about to fall for her deceit all over again. Sadly, Bates was convicted on what we would call circumstantial evidence. The poison was found in the pastry, not in anything else he could have placed it in, say the tea, milk or eggs, ect... When she came back to Downton with the threat of exposing the Pamuk scandal, Bates fell on his sword to protect the family and most importantly Anna. Vera wanted revenge, plain and simple.
@@sheilaburns8977 His concern was the shadow Bates’s imprisonment would cast on his family so, it was like him…just as he reacted when the Crawleys offered to help Mrs Patmore from sinking her investment (“the house of ill repute”).
Yes, and I think Matthew probably bonded with Bates when he was living at the Abbey while he was wheelchair-bound. Bates was the valet attending to Matthew at the Abbey when Violet came to tell him that Mary was still in love with him. (Such a beautifully acted scene.)
Honestly the way Julian Fellowes crafted the Bate’s love story was some of the best storytelling I’ve seen on modern television in quite some time. It’s a testament to how Fellowes paid attention to all the little details, which ends up making all the difference.
Their storylines from seasons 1 through 3 were perfect. From season 4 onwards, their storylines were horrible and should’ve been completely different. A lot of Bates’ character remains enigmatic, when those last 3 seasons could’ve developed him a lot more. There could’ve been a storyline focusing on their struggle to open the hotel that they made plans for.
You knew the verdict was going to come back guilty. You knew it was going to be a dramatic moment.....doesn’t change the fact I still get chills every single time I hear Anna cry out and see the tears spring to John’s eyes.
When you hear "No man can regret loving as I have loved you" and see their eyes both Anna's and Bates's, it's impossible to stay indifferent! It's a very beautiful declaration of love! Joanne and Brendan, you are wonderful actors and I love both of you very much! You are very much alike, I reckon, that's why it's always an immense pleasure of seeing you playing together.
This scene is so sad, but I love it so much due Joanne and Brendan's acting. Anna's cry when she hears the sentence and Bate's look when he is taken by the officer as he calls Anna. Amazing work from the actors.
Vera’s husband literally took the blame for her crime and went to jail for her, and she has the nerve to treat him like this and do this to him in return.
Exactly; his few glances at them as they’re talking show a subdued but very present horror as he realizes Bates really is innocent and a miscarriage of justice is happening before his eyes and there’s nothing he can do about it.
In the Legal Jurisdiction where I live, during a previous time when people who were found guilty of murder were hanged, a High Court Judge would break his pen after pronouncing the sentence, and writing the order. A chill went through my body, when I saw that for the first time. Thank Goodness for Courts of Appeal. Sometimes people are innocent, and sometimes sentences should be lessened. And, yes, I abhor deliberate criminal acts.
@@frenchify7506 Here's the comment: "Remember Bates' estranged wife Vera showed up in Season 2? blackmails him and then conveniently kills herself. Bates was suspended of her murder, goes to prison but was let free when a suicide letter surfaced. k sooooo in season 4 theres this whole plot about some guy trying to take Robert for all he is worth in a poker game. ANYWAYS at some point Robert asks Bates if he knows anyone while he was in prison who could do a convincing forgery of this swindlers handwriting and Bates is like "yes". Later we find out there is no prison friend and the master forger is BATES! He totally had the skill to fake Vera's suicide note. Then in season 5 Anna is raped by Lady Mary's suitors butler. Eventually after Anna reveals this to Bates, the rapist gets pushed into traffic and died. Anna is suspected because she was in the area where it happened. She gets put into prison. We find out that Bates had a train ticket and was in area as well (throughout this whole time he is shady as fuck). Lady Mary even destroys the ticket because she thinks Bates did it. Later another woman (who was also raped by that butler) is arrested for the murder. The woman says she didnt even remember doing it. sooooooooooo imo Bates also killed the butler and that woman is unknowingly taking the rap for him" So we know all the potentially shady stuff that went on with Green's "accident" but it's the forgery that potentially is connected to the suicide note that I've never thought about.
I read the script books to the first three seasons and it seems like Julian Fellowes deliberately left it ambiguous what Bates is capable of and what not. The script included a scene (I don't remember if it was cut or not) in which Bates tells Craig (the cellmate who loathed him) that he's not just some guy who robs old ladies, like Craig did, but someone who kills people. Fellowes wrote a comment that he believes that Bates was a vicious killer in the Boer war and, with a dash of humor, added: "…and I wrote him." Back then, killing people in a war was not considered a bad thing, on the contrary, it made you a hero. During the memorial dedication scene, Bates has two medals pinned to his chest. He didn't get those for picking flowers. But, which way you see it, it is an interesting question whether killing people in battle lowers your inhibitions to kill for personal reasons. To the best of my knowledge, the question has never been resolved.
I know I am nitpicking now, but killing more than one person does not automatically make you a serial killer. Serial killers kill for pleasure and enjoy the act of killing itself. The Bates of this theory kills out of need and targets people who have done him wrong.
I love Bates’s character but his unwillingness to share information is his most annoying attribute. He should’ve gone to the police and told them about the poison.
I think he blames himself for Vera’s bitterness. It is implied that he was not easy to live with in the early years of their marriage; being in prison and being wounded greatly matured him. The last 3 seasons could’ve revealed so much more of his character. There was such potential there.
She framed him by telling people she met him and was afraid for her life and it didn’t help that Bates had a very unfriendly relationship with most of his ex friends because they were all vicious people like her
@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675 Thanks, yes I've watched it now, Vera supposedly hated her ex husband so much she committed suicide but made it look like murder to frame him, and get him hanged. Only in TV fiction!
THE SENTENCE TO DEATH TO MR BATES IN MY OPINION THE BEST OF ALL THE SERUES COMPLETE.....AND HE AS AN ACTOR TREMENDOUS ....A COMBINATION OF RELAX WITH EMOTIONAL FORCE.....EXTRAORDINARY.
I still think he did it. Bates always seemed dangerous. But only when provoked. They always made it seem like he is very able to kill someone and be fine with it
He can’t have considering the evidence statement from someone else later as well as few others things. Do I think he’s capable? Considering he was a trained killer in the Boer War, yeah I do. But as you said, only when provoked.
this trial was such a sham. so much reasonable doubt the jury should’ve taken into account; the way they acted like Bates preemptively saying “or better still the late” was a confession is such BS. and how did the prosecution even find these things out? i’m assuming it was through the defense’s discovery if that was a thing back then, but idk why Bates would tell them that stuff when it MAKES HIM LOOK BAD. he’s always been kind of self-righteous as a character, almost too noble, and maybe that is what got him into trouble. if so, that was idiotic of him. i just do not see how else the Crown could have learned about what Mrs. Hughes, Ms. O’Brien, and Lord Grantham heard from Bates - in confidence, in private. in any case, this verdict is based on hearsay AKA nothing at all.
@Amber O'Brien would at least feel a lot of remorse about causing Cora's miscarriage. Susan had become messed up because her own family had mocked her and neglected her through her childhood.
I thought the Crawley's and servants testifying against Bates was really weak writing due to the fact that they didn't explain how the prosecutor knew they had that weak evidence against him. If you can call it evidence. And how did they know to ask what he called his dead wife? The least they could've done was show another servant overhear it and tell authorities when he was interviewed by police. I love watching b'c of Maggie Smith, Mrs. Patmore and Spratt but there's some lazy writing in this show.
Those rights were always a given as far as US law was concerned. The Miranda ruling came about because the suspect being placed under arrest did not speak or understand English. The ruling is to ensure that all arrestees understand their rights when they are taken into custody. So much so that officers placing the suspect under arrest must read the statement from a printed card and inquire after each step if what was read has been understood. If at any point the suspect states that he does not understand, things are halted until an interpreter can be found to repeat the rights to the suspect, again seeking acknowledgment of comprehension before proceeding with the arrest. Miranda is only concerned with that comprehension, not the rights themselves.
@@bradtorville5526 - minor point regarding Miranda.....police are not required to give the rights at arrest, that is a tv thing. The rights are given when being questioned for a crime.
No. He got out, then Anna was raped, and then they thought she murder the monster who did it, so she went to jail, and then he went again because they blamed him, and then that mess was finally over. And then after many miscarriages, she finally got pregnant and had a son and lived happily ever after.
Right up to 1957 this is how it was if you were charged with murder, the sentence would be carried out,only three things would stop it ,someone else confessed, an insanity plea would be considered by the home office or there was malice by either a witness, a judge or jury, it did happen very rarely, the issue was timing, depending on the time of year you had three weeks to one month for this to happen. Execution date was set by the Home Secretary and he would also sign the death warrant, inside the last week the condemned would be moved to the condemned cell ,a letter or telegram would be sent to the executioner a contract in effect, then the executioner would himself would hire his assistant the moment the letter was sent unlike in the US there were no stays of execution. Yes it has happened that the death sentence could be commuted it did in 1956 ,Albert Pierrepont was contracted to perform an execution, sentence was commuted, Pierrepont wanted to be paid his fee as he had been contacted to do so the Home Office refused to and Albert Pierrepont resigned in protest... Britain had about six executioners on the books at one time a very messy business.
The only endearing quality in Carson is his love for lady Mary, and that counts for nothing. He was the biggest snob and at times heartless. How quickly he agreed to accept Anna’s notice ‘she has a point’.. as if she’s not a living breathing human who’s worked there her whole life. ‘As a house that shelters her’ wow. Even Lady Mary wouldn’t dream to let Anna go and be lost in the crowd after such devastating news. Carson is so overrated 🙄
As much as I love Downton Abbey, The Court case is the most unbelievable, The family is built in lies like ours, Yes, ours, A parent will lie for their child, husband etc. You would think the prosecutor was in each conversation they had it n private, This is what makes a show seem fake. Nothing from the defense. But, it's a TV show, I've watched over 50 times.
In real life its unlikely Lord Grantham would have supported his valet as servants were seen as disposable if they got into trouble. I certainly don't think he would have went to the trouble to pay for a lawyer to clear his name. It would have been too scandalous for the family.
But Mr. Bates was more than just his valet. They served in a war, if I remember correctly. He stood by him because he knew Bates was a good man, and an innocent one at that.
Not every English aristocrat was a posh brat. Beyond the fact that Lord Grantham and Bates served together in the Boer War, it was not exactly uncommon for lords and ladies to become attached to certain servants over time.
They served in the war together, and when he's on the stand (not shown in this snippet), Robert claims that Bates saved his life. This ought to be reason enough not to find him expendable, if you have at least some honor.
American aristrocat.. yes it possible..but from what i learned from some story in my country.. not always for english baron.... They still had their ego but they still appreciate their servant.. that way english butler is the best.. american while they said they are champion of human right but still some of their black servant didnt get right for voting until 60s.. and off course they never threat people outside america same level with them..
Anna scream when Bates got sentence was so raw and I think what's worse it was so relatable because that was the one thing she did not want to hear. Her life destroyed in one word
@Elena Serrano that's awesome ❤
@Elena Serrano Probably wouldn’t make any difference. They know it’s not a real trial...
@Elena Serrano She’s a good actress yes. It’s all acting though so not knowing how the trial went wouldn’t make a difference. It doesn’t sound true as they’d be expected to learn their lines.
@Elena Serrano Haha. You sound like you know nothing about acting. That is not what improv is!
@@trainman665 Improv=improvisation. Method acting is famous for calling upon authentic emotions within to inhabit a character completely. Becoming so immersed within a character can be good and bad, but it is always intense. It often creates amazing moments.
That scene in the prison when Anna tells him that she isn't sorry she married him and has no regrets, despite everything, and she would marry him all over again ... his reaction to that and the tear that goes down his cheek... phenomenal chemistry between Brendan and Joanne.
What did he do, to get life in prison??
@@jenniferpoland8886 He killed Kennedy.
Jennifer Poland he was wrongly accused of killing his wife
@@annaeckholt9314 Vera, Bates' first wife committed suicide via poisoning the food she ate the evening after John had come to see her and have it out about how she destroyed the chances for a "civil" divorce. In all fairness she was angry that Bates had moved on with his life and found peace and happiness at Downton Abbey and especially with Anna. Vera wanted revenge. Bates had went to prison once to cover up Vera's theft and lies. He wasn't about to fall for her deceit all over again. Sadly, Bates was convicted on what we would call circumstantial evidence. The poison was found in the pastry, not in anything else he could have placed it in, say the tea, milk or eggs, ect... When she came back to Downton with the threat of exposing the Pamuk scandal, Bates fell on his sword to protect the family and most importantly Anna. Vera wanted revenge, plain and simple.
My cheeks too.. nothing compared to the bond between these two except for Mary and Matthews love story in the end. Their chemistry was brilliant!
I love that Matthew came to Bates' trial to explain what's happening and what they plan to do save Bates. He's a great friend to Anna.
Because of Mary’s fondness for Anna. Also because Bates is close to Mary’s father.
Unlike Carson who was very willing to accept Anna's resignation.
@@sheilaburns8977 His concern was the shadow Bates’s imprisonment would cast on his family so, it was like him…just as he reacted when the Crawleys offered to help Mrs Patmore from sinking her investment (“the house of ill repute”).
@@cherylreinell857 Bates is his valet… dressing a gentleman is pretty close! No secrets there.
Yes, and I think Matthew probably bonded with Bates when he was living at the Abbey while he was wheelchair-bound.
Bates was the valet attending to Matthew at the Abbey when Violet came to tell him that Mary was still in love with him. (Such a beautifully acted scene.)
Honestly the way Julian Fellowes crafted the Bate’s love story was some of the best storytelling I’ve seen on modern television in quite some time. It’s a testament to how Fellowes paid attention to all the little details, which ends up making all the difference.
I agree, but at points he came across creepy. Some of his likes made me cringe.
I agree except for both being implicated in two different murders. It wasn’t realistic and one would have been enough.
Their storylines from seasons 1 through 3 were perfect. From season 4 onwards, their storylines were horrible and should’ve been completely different. A lot of Bates’ character remains enigmatic, when those last 3 seasons could’ve developed him a lot more. There could’ve been a storyline focusing on their struggle to open the hotel that they made plans for.
You knew the verdict was going to come back guilty. You knew it was going to be a dramatic moment.....doesn’t change the fact I still get chills every single time I hear Anna cry out and see the tears spring to John’s eyes.
knowing that it represents many innocents hanged for secomstantial "evidence"
@@Kellystella97*circumstantial
When you hear "No man can regret loving as I have loved you" and see their eyes both Anna's and Bates's, it's impossible to stay indifferent! It's a very beautiful declaration of love! Joanne and Brendan, you are wonderful actors and I love both of you very much! You are very much alike, I reckon, that's why it's always an immense pleasure of seeing you playing together.
When Anna says she loves him for poorer or for worse and kisses Bates I love that moment
Anna's scream guts me everytime
Me too. My word, Joanne Froggatt can *act.*
Gotta give it to Mr. Bates' wife. That's some Gone Girl levels of dedication right there.
This scene is so sad, but I love it so much due Joanne and Brendan's acting. Anna's cry when she hears the sentence and Bate's look when he is taken by the officer as he calls Anna. Amazing work from the actors.
2:43 Such powerful directing. That shot of Anna like a deer in the headlights, slowly becoming more and more alone...
Vera’s husband literally took the blame for her crime and went to jail for her, and she has the nerve to treat him like this and do this to him in return.
Selfish to the core
When even the Prison Guard Ships Anna and Bates.
Exactly; his few glances at them as they’re talking show a subdued but very present horror as he realizes Bates really is innocent and a miscarriage of justice is happening before his eyes and there’s nothing he can do about it.
Catherine of aragon!! That actresses has such a way with voice and eyes.
It's the traditional Irish looks...dark haired & blue eyed.
*actress
Poor Anna!
One kiss, to take with me? I would have swooned and asked for more than a kiss. What a romantic man Mr. Bates is deep within.
Mr. Bates is so incredibly noble, and he deserves every bit of love from Anna. Vera? she deserves burning in hell over a thousand years of pain.
4:27 That guard must have been a fan of DA watch his expression at Bates being found guilty
I think it indicates he has his own morals and just hates it whenever convicts are given a death sentence.
3:28 Objection, hearsay!
“Are you all agreed?” ... “We are my lord, ... she was a bitch!” 🤣🤣😂
The way that judge announces the sentencing is so dark!!! XD
It reminds me just as the Judge in "Sweeney Todd"....I was playing the one being sentenced....
It’s how they did black cap an all
@@DeanMoxley87thats the way it was in the 1910s and 1920s
In the Legal Jurisdiction where I live, during a previous time when people who were found guilty of murder were hanged, a High Court Judge would break his pen after pronouncing the sentence, and writing the order. A chill went through my body, when I saw that for the first time. Thank Goodness for Courts of Appeal. Sometimes people are innocent, and sometimes sentences should be lessened. And, yes, I abhor deliberate criminal acts.
@@sandraelizabethbelfon5545 Bates WAS innocent it was his ex wife Vera who killed herself but Anna never gave up
Vera: "You presume limits to my obsession over Batesy. There are none."
“Youuu trickkeddd meeee”
I read a theory about Bates potentially actually being a serial killer and I was shookt lmao, never thought of it that way.
how are you going to say that and now post a link? LINKS MAN GIMME LINKS
@@frenchify7506 Here's the comment:
"Remember Bates' estranged wife Vera showed up in Season 2? blackmails him and then conveniently kills herself. Bates was suspended of her murder, goes to prison but was let free when a suicide letter surfaced.
k sooooo
in season 4 theres this whole plot about some guy trying to take Robert for all he is worth in a poker game. ANYWAYS at some point Robert asks Bates if he knows anyone while he was in prison who could do a convincing forgery of this swindlers handwriting and Bates is like "yes". Later we find out there is no prison friend and the master forger is BATES! He totally had the skill to fake Vera's suicide note.
Then in season 5 Anna is raped by Lady Mary's suitors butler. Eventually after Anna reveals this to Bates, the rapist gets pushed into traffic and died. Anna is suspected because she was in the area where it happened. She gets put into prison. We find out that Bates had a train ticket and was in area as well (throughout this whole time he is shady as fuck). Lady Mary even destroys the ticket because she thinks Bates did it. Later another woman (who was also raped by that butler) is arrested for the murder. The woman says she didnt even remember doing it.
sooooooooooo imo Bates also killed the butler and that woman is unknowingly taking the rap for him"
So we know all the potentially shady stuff that went on with Green's "accident" but it's the forgery that potentially is connected to the suicide note that I've never thought about.
I read the script books to the first three seasons and it seems like Julian Fellowes deliberately left it ambiguous what Bates is capable of and what not. The script included a scene (I don't remember if it was cut or not) in which Bates tells Craig (the cellmate who loathed him) that he's not just some guy who robs old ladies, like Craig did, but someone who kills people. Fellowes wrote a comment that he believes that Bates was a vicious killer in the Boer war and, with a dash of humor, added: "…and I wrote him." Back then, killing people in a war was not considered a bad thing, on the contrary, it made you a hero. During the memorial dedication scene, Bates has two medals pinned to his chest. He didn't get those for picking flowers. But, which way you see it, it is an interesting question whether killing people in battle lowers your inhibitions to kill for personal reasons. To the best of my knowledge, the question has never been resolved.
This was a horrid episode
I know I am nitpicking now, but killing more than one person does not automatically make you a serial killer. Serial killers kill for pleasure and enjoy the act of killing itself. The Bates of this theory kills out of need and targets people who have done him wrong.
I love Bates’s character but his unwillingness to share information is his most annoying attribute. He should’ve gone to the police and told them about the poison.
Or how he willingly shares incriminating information but nothing that helps him
I think he blames himself for Vera’s bitterness. It is implied that he was not easy to live with in the early years of their marriage; being in prison and being wounded greatly matured him. The last 3 seasons could’ve revealed so much more of his character. There was such potential there.
Vera Bates was the regal Queen Katherine from the Tudors series. What a change!
So if Mr Bates was innocent, who did kill his evil wife? Was she killed by an enemy of Bates, to frame him?
She framed him by telling people she met him and was afraid for her life and it didn’t help that Bates had a very unfriendly relationship with most of his ex friends because they were all vicious people like her
Poor thing
Vera committed suicide, but made it seem like Bates killed her.
+Glamdolly30 Bates's vicious ex wife Vera killed herself and blamed John for it and Anna knew he was innocent
@@peterwilliamskelhorn6675 Thanks, yes I've watched it now, Vera supposedly hated her ex husband so much she committed suicide but made it look like murder to frame him, and get him hanged. Only in TV fiction!
THE SENTENCE TO DEATH TO MR BATES IN MY OPINION THE BEST OF ALL THE SERUES COMPLETE.....AND HE AS AN ACTOR TREMENDOUS ....A COMBINATION OF RELAX WITH EMOTIONAL FORCE.....EXTRAORDINARY.
Omg poor Anna
You can't keep a good man down! ❤ #freejohnbates
+soulstrenth crusader he did get released in the end. Series 3 episode 7
I love them so much
I still think he did it. Bates always seemed dangerous. But only when provoked. They always made it seem like he is very able to kill someone and be fine with it
The woman looked way more murderous, thankfully she only took her own life
He can’t have considering the evidence statement from someone else later as well as few others things.
Do I think he’s capable? Considering he was a trained killer in the Boer War, yeah I do. But as you said, only when provoked.
And with the New Everdence that came to light and thank God we have now abolished the Death Penalty and I hope that it never comes back
So Hitler didn't deserve the death penalty?
*evidence
mrs.Bates was Catherine of Aragon in the Tudors
Yes, and she's also Jamie's Aunt Jocasta in Outlander.
When the judge puts a black cloth on his head, it signifies, he is dispensing the King’s justice. It points to all corners of the earth.
this trial was such a sham. so much reasonable doubt the jury should’ve taken into account; the way they acted like Bates preemptively saying “or better still the late” was a confession is such BS. and how did the prosecution even find these things out? i’m assuming it was through the defense’s discovery if that was a thing back then, but idk why Bates would tell them that stuff when it MAKES HIM LOOK BAD. he’s always been kind of self-righteous as a character, almost too noble, and maybe that is what got him into trouble. if so, that was idiotic of him. i just do not see how else the Crown could have learned about what Mrs. Hughes, Ms. O’Brien, and Lord Grantham heard from Bates - in confidence, in private. in any case, this verdict is based on hearsay AKA nothing at all.
5:07 isobel's face
Ser Jorah and Catherine of Aragon
I don't believe he killed Vera but even if he did... Well, let's just say few characters were as vile and horrible as Vera was.
@Amber O'Brien would at least feel a lot of remorse about causing Cora's miscarriage.
Susan had become messed up because her own family had mocked her and neglected her through her childhood.
Committing suicide to frame an ex-husband...that's the level of petty I strive for.
I thought the Crawley's and servants testifying against Bates was really weak writing due to the fact that they didn't explain how the prosecutor knew they had that weak evidence against him. If you can call it evidence. And how did they know to ask what he called his dead wife? The least they could've done was show another servant overhear it and tell authorities when he was interviewed by police. I love watching b'c of Maggie Smith, Mrs. Patmore and Spratt but there's some lazy writing in this show.
A little unusual to see Miranda rights spoken before arrest in 1920 😝 and in English countryside
Encoded in the Judge's Rules in 1912 in the UK.
Those rights were always a given as far as US law was concerned. The Miranda ruling came about because the suspect being placed under arrest did not speak or understand English. The ruling is to ensure that all arrestees understand their rights when they are taken into custody. So much so that officers placing the suspect under arrest must read the statement from a printed card and inquire after each step if what was read has been understood. If at any point the suspect states that he does not understand, things are halted until an interpreter can be found to repeat the rights to the suspect, again seeking acknowledgment of comprehension before proceeding with the arrest. Miranda is only concerned with that comprehension, not the rights themselves.
@@bradtorville5526 - minor point regarding Miranda.....police are not required to give the rights at arrest, that is a tv thing. The rights are given when being questioned for a crime.
What episode is this
Poor Anna I feel bad for her and Mr bates
Did Mr Bates die in the end? I've forgotten now
No. He got out, then Anna was raped, and then they thought she murder the monster who did it, so she went to jail, and then he went again because they blamed him, and then that mess was finally over. And then after many miscarriages, she finally got pregnant and had a son and lived happily ever after.
@@hollisjo4023 Thank you very much! 🙂
lol from the first episode he came on he didn’t fight for anything
Right up to 1957 this is how it was if you were charged with murder, the sentence would be carried out,only three things would stop it ,someone else confessed, an insanity plea would be considered by the home office or there was malice by either a witness, a judge or jury, it did happen very rarely, the issue was timing, depending on the time of year you had three weeks to one month for this to happen. Execution date was set by the Home Secretary and he would also sign the death warrant, inside the last week the condemned would be moved to the condemned cell ,a letter or telegram would be sent to the executioner a contract in effect, then the executioner would himself would hire his assistant the moment the letter was sent unlike in the US there were no stays of execution. Yes it has happened that the death sentence could be commuted it did in 1956 ,Albert Pierrepont was contracted to perform an execution, sentence was commuted, Pierrepont wanted to be paid his fee as he had been contacted to do so the Home Office refused to and Albert Pierrepont resigned in protest... Britain had about six executioners on the books at one time a very messy business.
The only endearing quality in Carson is his love for lady Mary, and that counts for nothing. He was the biggest snob and at times heartless. How quickly he agreed to accept Anna’s notice ‘she has a point’.. as if she’s not a living breathing human who’s worked there her whole life. ‘As a house that shelters her’ wow. Even Lady Mary wouldn’t dream to let Anna go and be lost in the crowd after such devastating news. Carson is so overrated 🙄
He may be part Vulcan, looking at the cold logic of the situation.
So where's paragraph guy?
Why couldn't the white court wigs have been the posh Amadeus style wigs? Why'd they have to be the ghastly thrift store wigs?
Vera was absolutely evil.
Anna and Mrs bates are too good actors like matew and lady Mary ! It’s was obvious the love of them
*Matthew
I think
I think he got life but only after a applae
I think in those times they had capital punishment. They use to hang people for murder.
As much as I love Downton Abbey, The Court case is the most unbelievable, The family is built in lies like ours, Yes, ours, A parent will lie for their child, husband etc. You would think the prosecutor was in each conversation they had it n private, This is what makes a show seem fake. Nothing from the defense. But, it's a TV show, I've watched over 50 times.
Bates and Anna’s story became more like a Greek tragedy every week. It became boring after a while.
In real life its unlikely Lord Grantham would have supported his valet as servants were seen as disposable if they got into trouble. I certainly don't think he would have went to the trouble to pay for a lawyer to clear his name. It would have been too scandalous for the family.
But Mr. Bates was more than just his valet. They served in a war, if I remember correctly. He stood by him because he knew Bates was a good man, and an innocent one at that.
Not every English aristocrat was a posh brat. Beyond the fact that Lord Grantham and Bates served together in the Boer War, it was not exactly uncommon for lords and ladies to become attached to certain servants over time.
They served in the war together, and when he's on the stand (not shown in this snippet), Robert claims that Bates saved his life. This ought to be reason enough not to find him expendable, if you have at least some honor.
American aristrocat.. yes it possible..but from what i learned from some story in my country.. not always for english baron.... They still had their ego but they still appreciate their servant.. that way english butler is the best.. american while they said they are champion of human right but still some of their black servant didnt get right for voting until 60s.. and off course they never threat people outside america same level with them..
Lepol Hart Bates and Lord Grantham served in the Boer War together.
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Pity Father Brown wasn't around sooner.
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What did Bates like about this woman that he married her?
I blame the alcoholism.
Say what you will about Vera Bates, but she was hot. I'm sure the attraction was purely physical.
@@priruss357LOL I get what you mean. A lot of people are crazies in this world
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