If Pamuk hadn’t come along on the trip, Mary might have shown enough interest in Evelyn to receive a proposal. She hadn’t fallen in love with Matthew by this point.
Pamuk nearly pushing Mary to the floor in the drawing room, later forcing himself into a her private chambers, then advancing towards Mary without her consent. In my opinion, this is harassment and assault. If I were Lady Mary, I would just say that I was attacked in my own bedroom by a man I barely knew. Nothing scandalous about that....
You are absolutely right, but a lot of people still blame women for their own assault unforgettably. I can understand why Mary thinks she has no options.
Lady Mary would have still suffered substantial damage to her reputation and social standing. Look at how Anna hid that she was r4ped from even her dearest and closest for fear that she would suffer even more. Victim blaming has only recently been looked down on.
I wish someone would do a video on the clocks of Downton Abbey! Every room has at least one clock, and the ticking in the background adds so much to the individual character of the room that it's in. Like a heartbeat -- the clock in Lady Mary's room has a frantic, high-pitched ticking that is so appropriate for the desperation of the scene just before they move Pamuk!
My first thought as well: great, never thought about that! My second thought: we are done, there is nowhere to go further from here - we arrived at the clicking clocks 😊 yes, we love the show.
even knowing the repercussions of this, ahem, event, I still find this scene absolutely hilarious. I laughed through it the first time I saw it and I still do. I don''t think it was intended, but something about it just goes straight to my humor center
Why does NOBODY knock before entering someone's room?? Why does NOBODY lock their doors? The only time I saw a door locked was in the A New Era movie. The actress locked her door. So we know the bedroom doors must have locks on them.
Je suis française, sachez qu'en France nous avons adorés cette merveilleuse saga oui nous aimons l'aristocratie même même si malheureusement d'autres français ne sont pas d'accord. Cette série est magnifique j'ai aimé voir et revoir tous les épisodes j'adore la royauté et je dis, longue vie à vôtre Roi Charles 3. Et aussi à toute la famille royale que Dieu sauve le Roi Charles 3 😊😊😊
What's interesting is this scenario is baded on Actual events. Jullian Fellowes talks about it in early interviews about the show. The exact details are sparred to protect bith the innocent and the guilty. What's worse is that this scandal haunts Mary throughout the entire series. (In some form or fashion.)
I began watching this show thinking ... Hmmm it is about English Aristocracy. It will be a breezy romance or something. And then bam ..... there is a dead Turk in her bed. I was hooked
My favorite moment in the entire series was when the cat grabbed the roast chicken that Mrs. Patmore dropped on the kitchen floor!!! Moments like that, and the death of Mr. Pamuk, lift this series to a totally different level of entertainment!!!
@ulefab7503 the Pamuk story is based on a real story of a Turk who stayed in a English house and passed away. The affair with Mary is just story but the death is true
Women were way above men when it came to riding a horse back then. Women were restricted to riding side saddle. Such a hard awkward management of horse riding and having to do it with class, and femininity... ridiculous rule..
At an era when Europeans found it difficult to marry somebody from a different sect of Christianity, the thought of a British woman consorting with a Muslim man was indeed bold, if not outrageous. This particular scene was aired around 2011, but if shown in present day, I doubt the British audience will find it as acceptable as they did in those days, especially after the nationwide anti-Muslim violence in UK this year.
Stfu. If you think they were more accepting in early 20th century to now then you really are too far gone to reason with. You're just anti British racist. Good life loser.
@@Stand663 Non-sense. True Westernisation of Turkey didn't happen before the rise of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1923. Just by wearing Western outfits doesn't makes one Westernised.
I love this show big fan got my cuz to like but I always thought it un fiar when Cora got Mary in trouble it was kinda Mr pamok forseing hom self on her
They never gave a reason 🤷♀️ I guess she was just a bully that wanted to feel superior and better than her sister so she was bringing her down every chance she had.
She always acted like Edith was destined for spinsterhood. She made fun of the way Edith dressed and looked in general. I think it started out as usual sibling rivalry.
A rich family living in a huge castle, used to travel for long periods, didn't have a cart or any contraption to carry heavy luggage around which could also be used to move dead guys from one room to another?
Ive seen scenese like these in many other shows but i still dont get it and i know in England today they still do hunting but like i know theres restrictions , if they dont kill animals what do they do then
It feels like when Sybil died the bridge that kept Edith and Mary connected broke, she was the peace keeper.
They eventually form their own bridge, which is what they needed all along for it to be a stable one.
I could watch this show 24 hours a day.
I have the boxed set. Fantastic
Over and over and over again
Cora is so demure no matter what. Even filled with rage and horror and shock she is collected and practical. I effing love her!!!
If Pamuk hadn’t come along on the trip, Mary might have shown enough interest in Evelyn to receive a proposal. She hadn’t fallen in love with Matthew by this point.
Yes and she never felt love for anyone really
@@ireminsel…she certainly did, for Matthew
Pamuk nearly pushing Mary to the floor in the drawing room, later forcing himself into a her private chambers, then advancing towards Mary without her consent. In my opinion, this is harassment and assault. If I were Lady Mary, I would just say that I was attacked in my own bedroom by a man I barely knew. Nothing scandalous about that....
You are absolutely right, but a lot of people still blame women for their own assault unforgettably. I can understand why Mary thinks she has no options.
I may be an old codger, but to me there is a difference between seduction and assault, though the former may not be a particularly nice thing to do.
Lady Mary would have still suffered substantial damage to her reputation and social standing. Look at how Anna hid that she was r4ped from even her dearest and closest for fear that she would suffer even more. Victim blaming has only recently been looked down on.
That would be a lie. She could always scream. İ think she was afraid but also wanted it.
@@angelicasmodelShe has options. She could scream. Losing virginity just to escape scandal is disgusting and dishonorable
I wish someone would do a video on the clocks of Downton Abbey! Every room has at least one clock, and the ticking in the background adds so much to the individual character of the room that it's in. Like a heartbeat -- the clock in Lady Mary's room has a frantic, high-pitched ticking that is so appropriate for the desperation of the scene just before they move Pamuk!
What a great observation!
My first thought as well: great, never thought about that! My second thought: we are done, there is nowhere to go further from here - we arrived at the clicking clocks 😊 yes, we love the show.
This show is such class... a perennial to be watched and watched over and over again ...
I really liked the way Mary's expression changed when Pamuk said that his parents' wouldn't like her. It said: " How can amybody not 'like" ME???"
Yes, both are from different cultures. For Pamuk' s parents she is not a good candidate at all
MORE, please.
So great!
even knowing the repercussions of this, ahem, event, I still find this scene absolutely hilarious. I laughed through it the first time I saw it and I still do. I don''t think it was intended, but something about it just goes straight to my humor center
Feel like the show really hit its stride after this episode. And never slowed down.
I wonder if Thomas making unwanted advances on Pamuk is what caused him to make such strong advances towards Mary.
Why does NOBODY knock before entering someone's room?? Why does NOBODY lock their doors?
The only time I saw a door locked was in the A New Era movie. The actress locked her door.
So we know the bedroom doors must have locks on them.
Barrow saying "is that one mine?" 😂 get him queen. ❤
Je suis française, sachez qu'en France nous avons adorés cette merveilleuse saga oui nous aimons l'aristocratie même même si malheureusement d'autres français ne sont pas d'accord. Cette série est magnifique j'ai aimé voir et revoir tous les épisodes j'adore la royauté et je dis, longue vie à vôtre Roi Charles 3. Et aussi à toute la famille royale que Dieu sauve le Roi Charles 3 😊😊😊
What's interesting is this scenario is baded on Actual events. Jullian Fellowes talks about it in early interviews about the show. The exact details are sparred to protect bith the innocent and the guilty. What's worse is that this scandal haunts Mary throughout the entire series. (In some form or fashion.)
*based
*spared
@@l.a.3479 Oh for heaven’s sakes those are typing mistakes!
Which should be corrected, so everyone can understand the comment @@ulefab7503
Daisy wakes everyone downstairs up first thing in the morning. Gwen would notice that Anna was not in her bed.
I began watching this show thinking ... Hmmm it is about English Aristocracy. It will be a breezy romance or something. And then bam ..... there is a dead Turk in her bed. I was hooked
My favorite moment in the entire series was when the cat grabbed the roast chicken that Mrs. Patmore dropped on the kitchen floor!!! Moments like that, and the death of Mr. Pamuk, lift this series to a totally different level of entertainment!!!
Now THAT'S some Turkish delight !
Lol
I think I saw Mr Pamuk staying at the White Lotus
🤣
How many times is this going to reappear on this channel???
Amazing to know this storyline is based on a true story
I beg your pardon?! Would you be so kind to tell me which story please?
@ulefab750 the Pamuke Story, the video I've left a comment on,
@@DeanMoxley87 Thank you I will defo have a look!
@ulefab7503 the Pamuk story is based on a real story of a Turk who stayed in a English house and passed away. The affair with Mary is just story but the death is true
Women were way above men when it came to riding a horse back then. Women were restricted to riding side saddle. Such a hard awkward management of horse riding and having to do it with class, and femininity... ridiculous rule..
Mary has always been mean and jealous. Acts coy but knows exactly what she is doing. Always felt for Edith. Love when she stands up for herself
At an era when Europeans found it difficult to marry somebody from a different sect of Christianity, the thought of a British woman consorting with a Muslim man was indeed bold, if not outrageous. This particular scene was aired around 2011, but if shown in present day, I doubt the British audience will find it as acceptable as they did in those days, especially after the nationwide anti-Muslim violence in UK this year.
Stfu. If you think they were more accepting in early 20th century to now then you really are too far gone to reason with. You're just anti British racist. Good life loser.
Haha, but wait a minute, here a muslim died, not a non-muslim.
Lawl what is this comment
The Turks were by that time more liberal and westernised. They dispensed with all backward muslin stuff and embraced the modernity.
@@Stand663 Non-sense. True Westernisation of Turkey didn't happen before the rise of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk in 1923. Just by wearing Western outfits doesn't makes one Westernised.
Did he really deflower her because im still unsure?
I remembered this scene as Pamuk being much older than Mary, perhaps because he died of a heart attack or a seizure or whatever.
Mary looks twice his age....
This was near the beginning of the series so Mary's character was pretty young here, maybe 20?
@@Robert08010 Possibly. It means this Pamuk had taken Mary's cherry as she must have been a virgin at that age in that time.
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@@Robert08010 Mary was 21.
oh boy...
‘Deadly’ scandal 💀😂
I love this show big fan got my cuz to like but I always thought it un fiar when Cora got Mary in trouble it was kinda Mr pamok forseing hom self on her
Why did Mary dislike Edith?
They never gave a reason 🤷♀️
I guess she was just a bully that wanted to feel superior and better than her sister so she was bringing her down every chance she had.
She always acted like Edith was destined for spinsterhood. She made fun of the way Edith dressed and looked in general. I think it started out as usual sibling rivalry.
A rich family living in a huge castle, used to travel for long periods, didn't have a cart or any contraption to carry heavy luggage around which could also be used to move dead guys from one room to another?
Is that one mine- bahaha Thomas xx
💯👍 ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ 🎭 🥇
Pamuk means Cotton wool.
Ive seen scenese like these in many other shows but i still dont get it and i know in England today they still do hunting but like i know theres restrictions , if they dont kill animals what do they do then
Chase them around, i guess
Someone rides in advance of the hunt dragging something that stinks to ‘lay’ a scent trail the hounds sniff-out which the hunt can follow.
😐 ✔️
POV Mary married Mr Pamuk
This looks so AI generated compared to the original
OH! MR. PAMUK!