Can you see the difference between between the most hated male idols and most hated female idols? Male idols did something wrong or controversial according to the knetizens but female idols just didn't smile or dressed with short clothes to be hated.
and then there are people saying, there aren't any double standards in the entertainment industry when you can see how men vs women get shit on for either a good reason or just bs🤡
not particularly the t-shirt incident but jimin actually get unnecessary hate in general. he has been main topics for hate & trolls for the way he looks & sexuality. he don't deserve the amount of dirt he gets tbh
I agree. The shirt was kinda controversial, and it's good that Hybe took action. But Jimin, on the other hand, would be the most hated member, for stupid reasons.
One thing about Lucas is that, there is definitely no sexual allegations in the original Op post. The sexual allegations were only sparked by antis after he made the apology statement (which logically had benefitted the antis since Lucas apologised first). The debunked things were not only because they are his fans, but if all of you read carefully the thread, there is literally no victim at all. 1. The Op who posted the allegations on twitter showed so much connections with WayV sasaengs (use the same hashtag, use the same pinned location, involves in trading and selling idols private photos etc) 2. the data from Ops old posts showed that Ops are manga lovers, and read gay manga which one of the characters have the exact same facial/body features with Lucas. 3. The fans also hired private investigator and found out that the outfit/jacket they claimed to be Lucas' is actually taken from a photoshoot in a store. (which they already confirmed with the owner) There are really a lot of suspicions raised from the claims that makes all of the allegations questionable
WTF he was proven innocent? How come so many people dont know he was innocent even till this day many think he is guilty. I think more people should know he is innocent
I feel you;;; I hope the situation can be cleared fast eventho every accusation has been debunked, if there's no official statement by the agency, many people will still think that he's guilty;;; and yes let's hope/pray that he's okay;; I miss him;;
It's always international fans who believe victims without any proves, it's seriously annoying they don't keven know these idols and what happened between them People should either find prove or stay neutral, canceling idols just for existing is getting way too normal, because of them Woojin got so much hate and Jimin is inactive now(hope she is doing well), stays r probably one of the trashiest Fandom, they act like they know the members like they r the members of skz on their own.
@Kang Seulgi's simp oh- thanks for telling me, I was telling k-netizens coz most of the idols who were canceled for no reasons were canceled by k-netzens Tnx of info btw I will edit my comment :)
Woojin was betrayed by his own Fandom, what the heck, "stays"??? He's been cleared of all accusations and has solo music now. It's actually pretty good. He's got quality stuff
I don’t have anything on stays and personally love stray kids members to heaven and back but.. the bad apples in that fandom really makes it hard for me to get any closer or even Stan the group
@@bæn-f7u yeah. Sometimes I always feel so bad for artist being so kind and lovable like Straykids are then having some few bad apples making the fandom look toxic even when they r still kind stays there
Let's make this clear, his fandom USE to be stays, now he is a soloist and has his own fandom that is not stays ☝️not to mention he got hated by the whole K-pop Industry fans... So don't just apply to us
@@finlee5460 most people that didn’t Stan Straykids simply stayed neutral. Stays that always nvr liked him used this as an opportunity to start hating on him like calling him ugly and shit. Who brought up the whole bullying scandal thing? Wasn’t it a stay?!
@@eccofr how is that a red flag sweetie like seriously if you know the person behind the keyboard personally I would encourage you standing for her but when you don't even know the person behind the keyboard like that person can be literally a man and say he is a woman and is got pregnant by a idol or can be a fing 13 yr old minor who lives in Brazil saying That she was in a korean bar. The person behind the anonymous account can be a literal psychopath or a pathological liar who knows . When you don't know the person behind the keyboard it's better to stay neutral and let the official ( police investigation ) take care of it instead of taking matters in your hand . In this way you not only hurt the possible victim and neither do you support a possible criminal . Cause if it turned out that the possible victim was actually a criminal ( defamation is a crime btw) then you would be almost ruining a innocent persons life . Staying neutral is rather the best decision any one can ever make . So now can you explain me why you think staying neutral is a red flag I would love to know that .
Oh, the Woojin case was all over international fans as well. International stays were going crazy hating on him and creating new conspiracy theories about bullying and so on.
Although it spans 2.5 years in total (2010-2012) Jonghyun was probably one of the more hated male idols of 2012 because Anti's and fans threw a fit when he dated Shin Se Kyung in 10-11. At their concert, well several, he apologized because they were giving him and all of Shinee a black ocean for him dating. It was stupid. They had signed petty petitions to have him removed amongst other things and posted videos of them burning shine goods. It was stupid and probably impacted Jonghyuns later hurt and pain. Poor baby. Rest in Peace angel
I feel terrible for Woojin. His case is definitely the reason I personally wait until the whole thing is over before accusing someone wrongly. I mean just imagine waking up checking your phone and the only thing you see are fake rumours and hate messages flooding your social media. It must have been terrible for him.
@@KHAYREE-kc she did think she ate didn’t she lmao!! But she devoured the whole plate. Get back in that damn basement and don’t be using my WiFi over there increasing my bills and shit!!🤷🏾♀️
so if you're not really familiar with what woojin had and still has to go through because of toxic kpop stans, here's a quick summary: • he is being made fun of for the way he looks and has people compare his face features to those of animals • he had his phone number leaked by some anti and people sent him death threats and gore pictures • there's hate and death threats literally everywhere on his social media and people still make hate videos and posts on him • he had his fans turn their back on him and burn his photocards and posters • he gets attacked for the stupidest things like doing a cover of a song or trending on twitter for his music for example • he said there were days when he couldn't eat or sleep because of the hate • stays gave him the name "sound monster" and keep spreading the lie that skz hate him and so should everyone else and I'm sure there's more i can't think of rn but seriously no one talks about how all this hate goes to an innocent man who is literally just minding his own business. woojin deserves a lot better, he's a good person
@Moonstar THIS! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE! And what makes me even madder is that I had come across a lot of Stays in the comments section of Woojin-related vids where they had directly said, "Stays, he has been proven innocent so let's just stop now. Anyways, vote for SKZ/stream SKZ's *inserts recent song name*". Like, didn't you even feel 1% guilty for misjudging an innocent person?
I wouldn’t say he’s a good person, we still don’t know him personally. We don’t know any idol personally so we can’t say for sure if they’re good or bad people.
I feel really bad for Lucas. SM should have handled the situation better. I just hope they are taking actions although they didn't tell the fans. Especially SM is known to take legal actions in silence. But regarding this case is it too much to give us " We are investigating the issue" kind of a statement instead of throwing their artist under the bus. They were just afraid of loosing their China money with the situation in C-entertainment industry during those days. At this point I don't care if he's in WayV or not. I just want him to be happy and healthy and do whatever he want.I will still support him no matter what..
True. SM is the worst example of dealing rumors or attack from netizens and sasaengs. The only response they can do always is hiatus but not give justice and reputation back to their hard working artist.
Personally, I don't like or dislike Woo-jin. I became a STAY after he left, so I can't say I'm angry or disappointed in him, because I have never cared, as rude (?) as that sounds. In my opinion, why hate a man for leaving a group, without knowing the reason he left. He was accused of bullying the other members, but we can't say if he did or didn't coz we don't have proof. Don't use Channie's message on his VLIVE as a way to justify yourself. I don't like nor dislike Woo-jin -- and personally think he is talented and cute -- either way, he shouldn't be hated on just becasue YOU are mad he left.
woojin's case is one of the worst because imagine literally not doing anything and then one day people start spreading disgusting rumors about you and everybody INCLUDING your own fans hating you while saying horrible things about you and not letting you move on for months. he truly is an inspiration for surviving the hate and being so strong. love woojin so much! and majority of stays are the worst :)
I understand what you mean about woojin he doesn’t really deserve any of it but judging a whole fandom based on one scandal says a lot about what kind fandom you are
@@Rikimuraa You should know they don't mean it that way. Just most of them are weird. My sister is a stay but she dose not care that people say it's the worst fandom bc most of them are and she agrees but if anyone said she was she would not agree. Stop acting dense.
I feel so bad for Woojin. The allegations against him had been denied. He got so much hate for no reason. As a STAY, I find it very disgusting to see other STAYs sending him hate. Don't call yourself a real STAY if you hate Woojin. Even if you don't like him, don't hate him. I can name numerous so-called Kpop channels who took part in this hate train. He did not deserve that. It's funny how some STAYs will excuse the mistakes, no matter how big, made by SKZ members, but they don't forgive Woojin - as if like he even did something wrong. Edit: there is a certain someone in the replies telling me I don't know what really happened. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were there to witness all the "bullying", as if you yourself got all the inside scoop from the members themselves. 🤡
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 The rumors are announced fake, there are a lot of proofs that he did not do them, moreover all the accuser herself was exposed using vpn and fake emails to catfish as a chinese/korean while using other people instagram pictures as a way for the story, don't know what the hell are you still saying but im guessing your not an nctzen since you look like you came from a cave
@@cosmofried I just knew that the girl was lying when she posted a picture of him laying on a sofa, mentioning that it was him lying on the sofa of a motel room where they spent the night. That picture was of WayV dorms lmao . . . . Sorry for the bad english lol it's not my first language
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 actually the so called "girls" who accused him never said anything about SA if you only read the translations you got it totally wrong the SA accusation is just made up from anties in the heat of the moment if you were there from the very the start you would know!!!
They didn’t betray him, they thought he did a horrid thing. You wouldn’t support someone after thinking they hurt others right? Exactly. The rumors have been cleared now but people were just trying to help the alleged victims at the time. Everyone thought they were doing the right thing, it wasn’t “betrayal” so don’t label it as that.
@@hotsexyangel maybe people should calm down and see the outcome first rather than LITERALLY RUINING SOMEONES CAREER, stay neutral or support the victim while still being sus BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, i refuse to blindly believe accusations ESPECIALLY those without any proof
@@titandarknight2698 well he was literally innocent after all. the amount of stays who hate woojin because of these FAKE accusations is stupidly insane
I feel so sad for Lucas.He is just innocent.When I am in depression,I watch Lucas's videos and feel so happy.I can't imagine that he will suffer that much for such false accusation.I want to see Lucas happy face again.
Y'all don't deserve woojin at all. He's sucha precious baby LIKE HOW DARE YOU F&KING HURT HIM so called sTaYS sMh and lucas oh god- do not get me started on both of them.
You know what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
Not to descredit assault victims, but is so easy to go online and accused someone of something without any evidence. Ruin someone’s career with lies is terrible.
exactly my thoughts. it's especially unconsiderate because it just takes away power from honest accusations. just imagine the amount of bad things some idols might have done but we will never know because the person who knows about it is afraid they'll be seen as a liar
I find it interesting how these "rumors" only happen to certain ppl. If it's so easy to spread rumors online, why isn't it common and prevalent that can affect a lot of ppl? Perhaps there is really something about those ppl that are terrible and did something wrong that propagated worse rumors.
Its heartbreaking to see those so called nctzens trying to force lucas to get out of the group when he was PROVED false anyway nct is 23 always!! lets support their cb coming soon ^^
The people who jumped on the hate train against Lucas are disgusting. You should really be ashamed of yourself. Ot22 and Ot6s 🤮. Half of them were too lazy to actually read the posts and just followed behind others. Many who were antis and part of the same ring of saseangs who started this mess. For those who actually read and paid attention since this mess begin you'd know a few critical things: 1. The evidence provided by the OPs was debunked. Not some of it. All of it. The pictures of items OP claimed to purchase weren't even items available to be purchased where they claimed to live. Not to mention the spliced together voice-mail messages, the badly edited pics, etc. 2. The OPS never alleged SA. Ever. There's probably a good reason including them not wanting it to become a criminal investigation because then they would be held accountable for any false information they gave online or otherwise. In addition the dates they gave Lucas was out of the country and working. Was he SAing them via Zoom? Lucas is a foreigner living in a country with political tensions with his home country. There is no way the SK government would let Lucas as a Chinese man get away with a criminal offense against a Korean citizen. 3. Gaslighting/Cheating: the OPS said Lucas told them he didn't want a gf. If the allegations were true they chose to keep seeing him knowing he was not going to commit. They used gifts to try to win his affection. They didn't get the relationship they dreamed off so they turned on him. Using gifts to win affection and then turning on a person is manipulative and vengeful to say the least. 4. Lucas has the right to date who he wants even fans. He also has the right not to stay with said fans if they turn out to be possessive or obsessive. People in relationships even casual ones sometimes give each other gifts. Just because someone gives you a gift doesn't mean you owe them anything in return. This goes for men and women. Do I believe Lucas dates -yep. I believe all idols do. The fact they have to hide it leads to crap like this where those they date can say anything because it's done behind closed doors instead of out in the open. People think Lucas is on a long hiatus because he really did something horrible. But it's really for his safety, he and his family are being followed and doxxed. He's receiving death threats. In addition SM is hiding him to protect their staff because Lucas said there are staff members selling access to members to saseang fans for money -which is so scary. So yeah there's more to it then just the online rumors but not necessarily for the reason alot of people think.
Even though I’m being neutral, I feel bad about Woojin and Lucas. They were brought onto similar scandal types, and they both have proven innocent and clear. But the hate train still running.
Kpop idols celebrating their independemce got everyone mad. We (even famous ppl in our country) celebrate that too BUT our colonizers didn't go wild af just cuz of it. And once again WW2 was studies cuz of that simple "accident"
Exactly what I was thinking!! Why tf where they mad that Koreans were happy that their holders or slave masters left them to go? I’ve watched numerous films of when Japan use to hold Korea such as (assassination 2017 movie). I’d be happy too if our holder let us go
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj you see I know some of it was lies but I also know they said some were true. I mean if it wasn't he wouldn't be arrested 🤷. Also there were other victims who came forward to say so to and didn't go to Twitter and other platforms to say so.
He was seen frequenting prostitution bars, that's likely why he was kicked out as it is against their contract. He was kicked out of course he did something wrong??
@@itsRebeccaRayne he left the group mostly because he wanted to be a solo artist. He’s a soloist now. He looks really happy. Pls do ur research before you say silly things like that.
@@itsRebeccaRayne I don't know what kind of proof you wanna have to believe that he wasn't kicked out, but you literally have a jype announcement where it says he left for personal issues (which could be his desire to be soloist, mistreatment, a family issue, mental health problems etc etc). It doesn't say that he is kicked out anywhere in that announcement. (don't tell me things like 'jype probably hid it' or 'jype didn't wanna have scandals' cuz I'm sure if he did something wrong and actually was kicked out, that would definitely be written on jype's announcement) I don't know why you, people like you, try so hard to spread false information about someone you don't even know personally. Talking without any proof... Just say that you hate him...
@@talarv9026 for real. JYP is not shy to exposing the truth behind artist departures.. it takes simple research to see that. Like I hate how people make claims as such with no proof, especially when the claims are so serious. You can’t just say things like that. Words have serious impact. People now of days 🤦🏽♀️
Woojin is such a strong man I'm so proud of him. AND HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM UGLY just shows how shallow my fandom is, istg I'm so embarrassed $hitty people please stay away I'll even pay you 💙💙💙
Yes , woojin is one of best member , he has personal reason to be separate and everyone respect it , even people hate bangchan to let go ,woojin , this things isn't in the hands to him, ....🙏🏻🙏🏻 Surely everything goes right with both of them
@@Shivamkumar-uu9tu He left for personal matters (that's what it says on jype's announcement) and we won't know why, unless he himself wants to talk about it one day (he doesn't have to). And we don't have to know about it but just respect his decision. (btw if my phrasing sounds rude or harsh, sorry about it, I wasn't planning it to sound like that at all)
@@clehee4679 He didn’t say his name. So no he didn’t specifically say that Woojin betrayed them. Oh and Chan also said to not send hate to him when all those happened (when some stays were sending hate just because of Chan’s live) but you guys seem to dismiss those words of him. You listen to him when assuming that he says something bad about Woojin but when it comes to him actually warning to not send hate to Woojin, you are not listening all of a sudden. (Sorry if my phrasing is bad, english is not my native language)
@Moonstar aaww thank you. I just can’t stand these type of comments. Even though I wanna ignore, sometimes I just can’t. These people are ignoring the proofs/truth knowingly which is right in front of their eyes and that makes me mad.
I can't speak on the others since I don't follow them but I'm hopeful Lucas returns to his active duties next yr. I know ppl are like how can you still root for him when he has SA allegations but I follow actual C-fans and while they admit he's being dragged for the fuck boy stuff, there are no SA allegations over there. Sure they could be lying but why would they when it would be easy for others to prove it's true? As for SK the cops there legit just made an arrest for a case of SA that happened like 14 yrs ago. They'd 100% be investigating him if those claims were true. So I dunno; I've read the debunked stuff on his other issues & whether you believe it or not it still shows stalkers are a whole ass mess.
im stay and i support ot8 but i dont think that woojin is a bully. i think he leave bc he doesnt like the music genre of skz. if you listen to his songs now, its very soft, which is the opposite of skz's music.
it really is very soft but its also because his album is about what he went through after he left skz and all the accusations started, if you take a look at english lyrics of ready now its pretty well explaining his feelings just like the rest of the album and his covers
@@nxlix.x5424 Yeah really his album is really good and the lyrics are so touching. He even participated on the lyrics of every song. He is doing really well but I wish all stays were there to support him on his worst times and not turn their back just like they did😔
Exactly plus he got really less lines, not saying that it's anyone's fault. It's just that it's SKZ's music is mostly focused on rap, that's the basic reason.
@@owo-xu1fb That's what all idols have to say tho....especially in his situation he wouldn't be able to say anything if they did treat him wrong because it will cause more hate. Although I so think it was best for him to leave he kinda saved the other boys from the scandal that was coming...
Lucas is innocent. He exposed sasaengs in bubble and then Lucas got attack by rumors since then. If u read investigate report in Twitter you'll know those allegations was written by Sasaengs Yourhighness, luxor, flytothemoon, spacetape and other WayV Chinese and Indonesian sasaengs who live in Korea. In between that, there might some other Chinese sponsor who give money and cooperate with. SM entertainment needs to release new statement. It's so wrong that SM keeps asking innocent idols to apologize first and then just let idols to fight these rumors alone.
Lucas is innocent. Haters can try all they want to discredit him and find stupid reasons to hate on him but you will never win. Allegations were proven false, evidences were fabricated, there was no victim. In fact the victim is Lucas himself. SA was never mentioned even in the fake accusations, this was something antis made up to spread like wildfire to hate on him. Saesangs started this whole thing specifically Your Highness and Luxor. KNOW the facts before spitting stupid nonsense defaming my boy. Nct OT23 and Wayv7 *kisses haters 😘* you lost 💅🏼
I don't know the whole thing clearly but jimin's controversy was a big misunderstanding and armys played a huge role in trying to resolve the issue by collecting information related to the text written on his shirt and they managed to get good evidences to prove that Jimin was not intended to hate Japanese people and did resolved the issue at the end proving him innocent
@@modkip25 if you look at it the text is in English and jimin definitely had no idea what it was talking about + T-shirts with a war picture and blast pictures are common in the market so it was hard to know the exact thing it is depicting also the outfits are given by the costume designers so you can't really blame jimin for it and no idol or public figure would like to ruin their years of hard work by doing something that dumb intentionally
@@jenneyluna3936 girl I am not justifying I am just sharing my thoughts and I don't understand how are you suppose to know which event does a particular picture represents I mean I couldn't guess which event a picture is from + why do you think he was celebrating isn't it dumb enough of a celebrity to do something like this on purpose and get cancelled by not just that entire country but also by several other people that too just before you have to perform there and he couldn't be thinking that no one will notice he's always followed by paparazzi also Japan has the biggest kpop fan base in the world every group wants to have their name established in Japan in such situations mocking Japanese people's sentiments is like purposely asking people to cancel them PS : I'm just sharing my thoughts and I obviously do not support purposely mocking someone's sentiments
@@jenneyluna3936 listen to me I understand your point but the fact remains that the picture is very small trust me I wouldn't have noticed it myself if I was wearing that shirt and the text is related to patriotism as you mentioned which makes it look like something related to patriotic feeling for one's country more over it was at the back of the shirt and the odds of noticing it or understanding the true meaning behind it is very low as you can't see it yourself even in the mirror And you didn't sounded rude at all you were just sharing your views as I was... you don't have to be sorry about it..and I know you too care about Jimin so don't worry I don't see you as a hatter 👍
The fact Lucas is innocent n is Still hated...The amount of troll on his mental health..I don't don't think Lucas will still be the same...He just needs to stay strong in this situation.. People need to understand this!! FIGHTING XUXI💚🌈📸
So whenever a member leaves a group, their fandom doesn't just put the member's leaving under the carpet. Except... For Woojin. Stays dont wanna talk about him or the reason why he left
Stays should talk about what they did to wj behind his back. They should talk about the petition they created to have him removed from the group because he did not fit their beauty standards, how they called him fat and ugly for years, how they sent letters to jype complaining about wj being fat which resulted in him being put on a corn only diet, how they would push wj out the way at airports because they didn't like him, how they sabotaged him on his birthday and refused to sing happy birthday to him. That they won't speak of huh?
That is true and can you believe some fans even asked how to get rid of him on the posters and other group photos with him in it? I find that so sad… they claimed it was because they started liking the group after he left. Really??
They don't want to talk about him because they're the ones that ruined his career/reputation. They're also the ones that hated him whilst he was still in the group, believed the rumours without any proof (some even believe it still after it's been proven false) and they're the ones that still hate him. They don't talk about him because it shows their toxicity, they truly are one of the worst fandoms.
The reason why I would never become a stay is because toxic stay are the definition of fake love. One minute they trend #thankyouwoojin upon his announcement he was leaving, and then the moment fake victim Thais and fake jype staff Rafa posted their bullshit they threw him to the sharks and leaked his private information, sent death threats, spread his nudes all over the world without even bothering to investigate. While we in 72 hours established the bars were infact closed due to pandemic, at the time period hinted to in allegations. They can take that fake love and shove it where the sun don't shine!
I started stanning Stray Kids after Woojin left. I never felt anything for him, and wasn’t around when he left so I hold no feelings towards him. However, the hate he gets it too extreme.
I can’t believe the other stays aren’t over woojin like its kinda a long time ago woojin already moved on and so did straykids, woojin is better off without straykids and straykids is better off without woojin. End of discussion. (I’m a stay and a cub)
I never see people discuss how precarious Lucas's situation really is.. Lucas said saesangs are paying staff to get access to the members. Which is part of the reason he was targeted by them in the first place. People are always wondering how saesangs are getting the members' numbers and showing up wherever the members are. Obsessed fans are literally being aided by their managerial staff to stalk them. Why Lucas may have not been having relationships with fans. I bet SM/Label V staff are. People thinking the hiatus is so long and extreme because the allegations may be true don't understand the gravity of what really happened. Lucas basically blew the whistle on his own company that's why he's been silenced. That with the political climate as he is from HK which has tensions with the Chinese government as well as works in SK which has it's own tensions with China made the whole situation even more high stakes. So Lucas's situation has a lot of implications for all the parties involved. Which is why he's literally vanished. It's way bigger than your average "scandal". I hope he has somebody he can trust wherever he is.
That makes complete sense. I didn't know Lucas said that, but if he did he didn't reveal anything new. There are many stories of these idol managers (not only in SM) using their position and the fame of the idol for their own benefit.. I still wonder where was his manager??
Hi! Can you tell me when/ where did he say they've paid Sasaeng staff. I mean we all know WayV have Sasaeng staff bcz they leaked their info even before the scandal but I can't remember him calling out their staff. If what you said was true , it makes sense considering the way he disappeared after hiatus.
Daesung was proven innocent through police investigations. It was proven that the man was already died when he had the first accident and his family accepted and forgave Daesung. Also Daesung was not drunk, he was just driving carelessly which caused him to not see the victim's body on the street. Also it was said that the taxi and Daesung's car were really close to each other so when the taxi driver changed the line he didn't have enough time to react and do the same. Kim Hyun Joong was proven innocent as well. His image was damaged the worst among all these guys mentioned and not only for those 2 years but all these years until now he can not have activities in SK. The ex-girlfriend was lying about everything and it was proven on court and she was sentenced as well. Lucas and Woojin were innocent but were canceled because nowadays Kpop fans just ride on the train of hate without waiting for evidence or furthur news. Most of the male idols that get hate are because of serious accusations which not all of them are real, but all of them get canceled even if they are proven innocent.
Why would Jimin be called a Nazi when the Japanese people were on the Nazi’s side as an Axis power (not Ally)? If anything, he’s celebrating the demise of the Axis powers’ regime…?
If you watch his videos you can see how well wj gets on with 10x staff. Bad behavior is habitual and repetitive. You can't hide it forever because it will rear its ugly head. WJ has been with 10x 16 months now and you can see they always have great fun together. The staff at 10x really love wj alot.
WOOJIN DOESNT DESRVE THE HATE IM A STAY AND IM ALSO A CUB LIKE YALL GOT NO FUCKING PROOF HES A BULLY THE ONLY PROOF WAS THE CLIP FROM THAT GAME EVERYONE WAS PLSYING TOUGH AND THEY DIDNT GET CALLED BULLY
I just realized why I left certain fandoms but still listen to some group songs still e.g. It's because of the fandom toxicity some ncztens was literally forcing Lucas to leave even after he was proved innocent. Stays well boii that's one of the most toxic fandoms ever you may not see it but once you reach at the bottom of the fandom you will see many things that will make you want to leave many people only see the surface of the fandom Stray Kids also I don't stan them anymore either for reasons. Anyways I'm happy that Woojin is doing well and is healthy. I'm still a little sad that Lucas isn't back as yet but once he's healthy and happy so am I.
Woojin is a warm person and as a cub, I can say he deserves all the love he's getting from his fandom. But honestly, It's really frustrating when people use those false statements to just throw hate on him, like omg just leave him alone. If you don't like someone it's fine, just mind your own business 🕴️🕴️🕴️
@@GiselleOutsold Tzuyuoutsold You still talking bullshit huh? I feel sorry for the person who has to kiss that vile mouth of yours. Oh wait, let Chan kiss it.
No matter what happens cubs are always with woojin 🐻. When people said that when they first saw him they just get bad feelings from him but when I saw him I don't know he is looking low-key sweet and soft that time some stays tell me he is a bully but I never believed I don't know anything about stray kids that time but I seen a lot of people mocking his appearance in comment section. When cubs asked him about the situation he said past 3 months he can't even sleep properly he said he wished to commit sui..cide but he is afraid of it so he didn't done it I'm so happy atlast he has his cubs now he seems so much happy
I suddenly remember when Lucas made bracelets during Mtopia😭 His smile was literally innocent when he lend it to other Super M members one by one....why is this happening to him 😭 he doesn't deserve this
Because people are fake and love to jump on bandwagons. If they really cared about real sa victims, they would be crowdfunding so real victims can get abortions, therapy, and medical treatment for hiv, stds, bladder and yeast infections, torn vaginal walls from dry sex etc. Instead all internet sa crusaders do is throw words around and jump on bashing bandwagons.
Woojin getting hate was the most stupid thing in kpop. Like i extremely love skz(im a stay) but then i also respect woojin. Leaving the group was his decision and people should respect it not blame him. And guess what. People made chan(leader) apologize for Woojin Leaving the group,cuz chan promised to take care of the group and stay 9 together. I dunno if u ever noticed but it's not only Woojin, the amount of hate skz gets is really too much too( and as much i know stays won't hate their own idols, so saying it was only stays hated woojin is wrong). So in short whether it's 9 of them or 8 of them they are still getting hatred, which they don't deserve. Nobody should be hated. Respect Woojin and skz both.
Yea I remember stays were the first one putting woojin on a blast and adding up countless allegations on him, essentially fueling the fire and rumour mongering cause they didn’t want him to affect their OPPARS reputation! kinda sad how his EX fandom turned on him so fast, disgusting, I hope cubs treat him better
yeah it's really sad. I'm saying this as a Stay, if the current members were accused of something similar, I'm pretty sure those who hated Woojin at that time would be the ones defending the accused member right now. Btw, I'm in the Cub fandom and I'm seriously really happy. The fandom is full of nice people and all of us treat him well don't worry.
@Siddhi Kadam Heyoo! Nice to meet you too! Were you a fan of him, I mean did you know him when he was in the group or you just became a fan when he debuted as a soloist? Just curious 😊
I hope that karma comes to the people who falsely accused Woojin. The whole situation really stained Woojin’s career (badly). People believed the rumours even though there was no hardcore proof, the only “proof” that was there easily got debunked in the finger killer documentary. Yet, people still hate on him for dealing with the situation badly even though it has been PROVEN it was a mistranslation.
When I have seen so many people believing in the accusations against Lucas without any research or second thought about it I just knew they were no real Nctzens, but also felt so bad for Lucas, he is such an innocent soul, and the way people didn't even go with 'innocent until proven otherwise' was so heartbreaking. Haven't we learnt from Johnny Depp's case enough?
Johnny Depp's case is the result of the mindset "believe the victim first" his career was almost shattered. No matter what case it is don't always believe the victim first or the accused, just stay neutral in every kind of case
And in the mean time those sasaengs are posting on weibo how they know of Lucas whereabouts. Why would you still be stalking a man who you claim violated you? Its shocking how daft people are!
Sadly there are many who are anti male and always believe the women when they accuse the men of anything. I argued with some sick women like that who claimed to be married to men too. Haters just got to hate even if proof was in front of their faces.
@@coffeetae I know right. He literally putting everything to keep us happy. If you became Cub, than welcome to our fandom Cub. I'm mama cub and I really love to welcome baby cubs 💙
You what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
Jimin apologized for something that had absolutely nothing to do with what was printed on his shirt? Seriously? They always make it about themselves, ignoring the deaths and suffering caused by the real perpetrators. Every.Single. Time.
AOA's Jimin was forced to leave the industry for also accusations of Bullying. Some of these male idols have literally (bigbang's Daesang), Killed, abused, harm, and hurt someone yet they still managed to stay in the industry. Why? because of their delusional fans and the unfair treatment of women. Plus, bigbang has a BIG comeback. wow.
im a 31 yr old woman, likes kpop, but seeing how extensive fans are, i was baffled about how some fans produce story fiction which are r18..and i wonder how old these "authors" are, and knwing some scandals, which makes me question wat if these are all fabricated stories from a psychopath fan destrying a successful idol... very creepy, yo kids, stop it,..
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj alright genz..😂 in my pov, i just think how creepy and crazy a fan can imagine things to their idols, is it normal for u??? if its normal then go out touch some grass, just a thought from ur milenial😝😝😝 auntie
@@highdopamine29 Not really as they are fiction. It is ok to be creative. It’s not like they are going out to do anything bad… I am older than you so I know how it is.
@@dacom1179 well I heard that he is been sentenced for 3 years because of prostitution case ? I heard People still does hate them That scandal is still not clarified enough I think they don't had any valid reasons against him well if he is innocent I have no problem I'll edit the comment don't consider that as a hate But his Hyungs always have been mentioning about seungri' behavior and his freinds
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Can you see the difference between between the most hated male idols and most hated female idols? Male idols did something wrong or controversial according to the knetizens but female idols just didn't smile or dressed with short clothes to be hated.
Double standard
Exactly. Males and females have their so called shits or fuck ups😒 double standards...
and then there are people saying, there aren't any double standards in the entertainment industry when you can see how men vs women get shit on for either a good reason or just bs🤡
Double standard netizens.....
mhm girl i see it
not particularly the t-shirt incident but jimin actually get unnecessary hate in general. he has been main topics for hate & trolls for the way he looks & sexuality. he don't deserve the amount of dirt he gets tbh
exactly! And the way antis constantly makes fun of his past ED is just disgusting :( people have really placed kpop before their morals!
People just jealous tbh. Antis wanna get on BTS any chance they get. Disgusting people
Ikr ;-;
I agree. The shirt was kinda controversial, and it's good that Hybe took action. But Jimin, on the other hand, would be the most hated member, for stupid reasons.
@@euphoriya09 ain't nobody jumped on that monstex guy wearing same tshirt ofc its jimin but yeah hybe cleared the things up immediately
One thing about Lucas is that, there is definitely no sexual allegations in the original Op post. The sexual allegations were only sparked by antis after he made the apology statement (which logically had benefitted the antis since Lucas apologised first).
The debunked things were not only because they are his fans, but if all of you read carefully the thread, there is literally no victim at all.
1. The Op who posted the allegations on twitter showed so much connections with WayV sasaengs (use the same hashtag, use the same pinned location, involves in trading and selling idols private photos etc)
2. the data from Ops old posts showed that Ops are manga lovers, and read gay manga which one of the characters have the exact same facial/body features with Lucas.
3. The fans also hired private investigator and found out that the outfit/jacket they claimed to be Lucas' is actually taken from a photoshoot in a store. (which they already confirmed with the owner)
There are really a lot of suspicions raised from the claims that makes all of the allegations questionable
what is op?
@@k_jjunn06 OP is “original person” who started all the accusations and who fabricated the evidence
@@emotionaldamage9894 well you know how it is, haters just got to hate even if there is clearly proof in front of their eyes.
@@emotionaldamage9894 IKR idk why some people believes that it even trended in twitter for Lucas to leave. Thefuck?
Why would people trade and buy private photos when they have official professionaly made ones?...
I genuinely feel really bad for Lucas, he was proven innocent he isn't coming home yet, Lumi hope that he is ok and he is staying safe and well.
WTF he was proven innocent? How come so many people dont know he was innocent even till this day many think he is guilty. I think more people should know he is innocent
lol he's not
I feel you;;; I hope the situation can be cleared fast
eventho every accusation has been debunked, if there's no official statement by the agency, many people will still think that he's guilty;;;
and yes let's hope/pray that he's okay;; I miss him;;
@@salamamusa5130 and where’s the proof he’s guilty? Cuz words from anonymous people and pics online that u don’t know are true doesnt count
So many people on tik tok still believe he is a terrible person, like it was all debunked?
The Woojin allegations were bullshit from day one. Sniffed the garbage from a MILLION miles away! 😑
It's always international fans who believe victims without any proves, it's seriously annoying they don't keven know these idols and what happened between them
People should either find prove or stay neutral, canceling idols just for existing is getting way too normal, because of them Woojin got so much hate and Jimin is inactive now(hope she is doing well), stays r probably one of the trashiest Fandom, they act like they know the members like they r the members of skz on their own.
@Kang Seulgi's simp oh- thanks for telling me, I was telling k-netizens coz most of the idols who were canceled for no reasons were canceled by k-netzens
Tnx of info btw
I will edit my comment :)
Ikr! He didn't deserve this, but I'm glad that he's doing fine now❤️
@@uribabydontstopchorom3257 Yeah! Oh btw MOA MOA~~💕
@@thatssuspicious279 no it's ifans because they still believe in the "ALWAYS believe victims" thing
Woojin was betrayed by his own Fandom, what the heck, "stays"??? He's been cleared of all accusations and has solo music now. It's actually pretty good. He's got quality stuff
I don’t have anything on stays and personally love stray kids members to heaven and back but.. the bad apples in that fandom really makes it hard for me to get any closer or even Stan the group
@@1ananas2bananes this. I used to stan but after looking below the surface of the fandom it got too hard for me to continue 😬
@@bæn-f7u yeah. Sometimes I always feel so bad for artist being so kind and lovable like Straykids are then having some few bad apples making the fandom look toxic even when they r still kind stays there
Let's make this clear, his fandom USE to be stays, now he is a soloist and has his own fandom that is not stays ☝️not to mention he got hated by the whole K-pop Industry fans... So don't just apply to us
@@finlee5460 most people that didn’t Stan Straykids simply stayed neutral. Stays that always nvr liked him used this as an opportunity to start hating on him like calling him ugly and shit. Who brought up the whole bullying scandal thing? Wasn’t it a stay?!
Istg I hate people who hate lucas for no reason💀💀
The rumors are announced fake and people still give a lot of hate to him
Because apparently he SA'd someone but there's no evidence of even him knowing the girl
I miss him so much the people who spread those rumours are horrible people and so are all those who hate him for things he didn't do
maam Lucas deserves to be free from this hate
@@shawolzen4893 the op didn’t even mention SA so that came out of nowhere from antis💀
The Woojin situation is why I always stay neutral when stuff like this pop up on social media
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Agreeeeeee 🤝
And that's why fake victim Thais made a tt video saying she can prove how dumb people are!
She most certainly proved that.
@@eccofr how is that a red flag sweetie like seriously if you know the person behind the keyboard personally I would encourage you standing for her but when you don't even know the person behind the keyboard like that person can be literally a man and say he is a woman and is got pregnant by a idol or can be a fing 13 yr old minor who lives in Brazil saying That she was in a korean bar. The person behind the anonymous account can be a literal psychopath or a pathological liar who knows . When you don't know the person behind the keyboard it's better to stay neutral and let the official ( police investigation ) take care of it instead of taking matters in your hand . In this way you not only hurt the possible victim and neither do you support a possible criminal . Cause if it turned out that the possible victim was actually a criminal ( defamation is a crime btw) then you would be almost ruining a innocent persons life . Staying neutral is rather the best decision any one can ever make . So now can you explain me why you think staying neutral is a red flag I would love to know that .
@Moonstar nothing but facts fam. 😌
korean netizens definitely take things way too seriously especially when it comes to rumours
And won't care if it is real and support them
Then when its about crime then went full silent cuz the suspects are their favorite boys/girls
Yeah,Thay believe every single thing that thay see on social media
Honestly can‘t blame it on them when the whole world was participating in spreading those rumors.
Oh, the Woojin case was all over international fans as well. International stays were going crazy hating on him and creating new conspiracy theories about bullying and so on.
Although it spans 2.5 years in total (2010-2012) Jonghyun was probably one of the more hated male idols of 2012 because Anti's and fans threw a fit when he dated Shin Se Kyung in 10-11. At their concert, well several, he apologized because they were giving him and all of Shinee a black ocean for him dating. It was stupid. They had signed petty petitions to have him removed amongst other things and posted videos of them burning shine goods. It was stupid and probably impacted Jonghyuns later hurt and pain. Poor baby. Rest in Peace angel
Poor baby. He just wanted to enjoy life. Miss him so much.
That poor man. He deserved better.
Jonyhyun did well in this world. We love you and miss you.
I feel terrible for Woojin. His case is definitely the reason I personally wait until the whole thing is over before accusing someone wrongly. I mean just imagine waking up checking your phone and the only thing you see are fake rumours and hate messages flooding your social media. It must have been terrible for him.
Same.
Here’s the know it all 🤓
@@KHAYREE-kc ?
@Moonstar you thought you ate
@@KHAYREE-kc she did think she ate didn’t she lmao!!
But she devoured the whole plate. Get back in that damn basement and don’t be using my WiFi over there increasing my bills and shit!!🤷🏾♀️
so if you're not really familiar with what woojin had and still has to go through because of toxic kpop stans, here's a quick summary:
• he is being made fun of for the way he looks and has people compare his face features to those of animals
• he had his phone number leaked by some anti and people sent him death threats and gore pictures
• there's hate and death threats literally everywhere on his social media and people still make hate videos and posts on him
• he had his fans turn their back on him and burn his photocards and posters
• he gets attacked for the stupidest things like doing a cover of a song or trending on twitter for his music for example
• he said there were days when he couldn't eat or sleep because of the hate
• stays gave him the name "sound monster" and keep spreading the lie that skz hate him and so should everyone else
and I'm sure there's more i can't think of rn but seriously no one talks about how all this hate goes to an innocent man who is literally just minding his own business.
woojin deserves a lot better, he's a good person
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks Cub
@Moonstar THIS! I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE! And what makes me even madder is that I had come across a lot of Stays in the comments section of Woojin-related vids where they had directly said, "Stays, he has been proven innocent so let's just stop now. Anyways, vote for SKZ/stream SKZ's *inserts recent song name*". Like, didn't you even feel 1% guilty for misjudging an innocent person?
Facts I really hope stop and think about what they are doing
EXACTLY.
I wouldn’t say he’s a good person, we still don’t know him personally. We don’t know any idol personally so we can’t say for sure if they’re good or bad people.
Most hated: Oily Lotion....oh wait he's not even an idol 💀
How can u forget that broo
Please! I'm always against bullying ANYONE online, but Oily Oppar is an excpetion. He's ASKING to be bullied. 🤡
Stop..... 😭😂😂😂😂😂 he's my ult b-bias 😨 nevermind
i am wheezing💀
@@Saoirsharein HE’S UR BIAS TOO
Some deserve hate, some don't derserve hate. some deserve a second chance, some don't.
Even those who did wrong, they don't deserve hate. Yes, they deserve to face the consequences of their actions, but they don't deserve to be hated.
Then u should deserve hate cuz I doubt you’re a perfect angel 😂
Nah no one deserves hate
@Kang Seulgi's simp I wasn’t talking about people that do rape and murder lol
@Kang Seulgi's simp Yeaa lol
I feel really bad for Lucas. SM should have handled the situation better. I just hope they are taking actions although they didn't tell the fans. Especially SM is known to take legal actions in silence. But regarding this case is it too much to give us " We are investigating the issue" kind of a statement instead of throwing their artist under the bus. They were just afraid of loosing their China money with the situation in C-entertainment industry during those days. At this point I don't care if he's in WayV or not. I just want him to be happy and healthy and do whatever he want.I will still support him no matter what..
True. SM is the worst example of dealing rumors or attack from netizens and sasaengs. The only response they can do always is hiatus but not give justice and reputation back to their hard working artist.
Personally, I don't like or dislike Woo-jin. I became a STAY after he left, so I can't say I'm angry or disappointed in him, because I have never cared, as rude (?) as that sounds. In my opinion, why hate a man for leaving a group, without knowing the reason he left. He was accused of bullying the other members, but we can't say if he did or didn't coz we don't have proof. Don't use Channie's message on his VLIVE as a way to justify yourself. I don't like nor dislike Woo-jin -- and personally think he is talented and cute -- either way, he shouldn't be hated on just becasue YOU are mad he left.
Finally someone who shares my opinion!😂 I don't Stan WoojinI don't hate Woojin, I simply couldn't care less
Lol yessss, I agree😅😌
Same.
*woojin flop*
@@GiselleOutsold tu cola pelada
If you ever think you're useless. Think of those who still hate Woojin. You'll realize you're not as useless as them.
Those people are the entire goddamn comical entertainment industry istfg
woojin's case is one of the worst because imagine literally not doing anything and then one day people start spreading disgusting rumors about you and everybody INCLUDING your own fans hating you while saying horrible things about you and not letting you move on for months. he truly is an inspiration for surviving the hate and being so strong. love woojin so much! and majority of stays are the worst :)
Lucas didn't do anything either.
I understand what you mean about woojin he doesn’t really deserve any of it but judging a whole fandom based on one scandal says a lot about what kind fandom you are
@@Rikimuraa i haven’t met 1 stay that doesn’t hate woojin, besides myself (i’m a stay)
@@imfire5391 yeas i do not hate woojin for sure i mean why would i ( I’m a stay too :D )
@@Rikimuraa You should know they don't mean it that way. Just most of them are weird. My sister is a stay but she dose not care that people say it's the worst fandom bc most of them are and she agrees but if anyone said she was she would not agree. Stop acting dense.
I feel so bad for Woojin. The allegations against him had been denied. He got so much hate for no reason. As a STAY, I find it very disgusting to see other STAYs sending him hate. Don't call yourself a real STAY if you hate Woojin. Even if you don't like him, don't hate him. I can name numerous so-called Kpop channels who took part in this hate train. He did not deserve that. It's funny how some STAYs will excuse the mistakes, no matter how big, made by SKZ members, but they don't forgive Woojin - as if like he even did something wrong.
Edit: there is a certain someone in the replies telling me I don't know what really happened. I'm sorry, I didn't know you were there to witness all the "bullying", as if you yourself got all the inside scoop from the members themselves. 🤡
Yeah I love woojin soo much he didn't deserve hate I love stray kids and woojin 😁😁😁
Truly
At least his career is being restored after the hate and I'm proud as a cub
Exactly!
Unfortunately I don't know him. I became a Stay this year.
as a nctzen i feel so bad for lucas
he is literally accused of sexual assault. ANd before you say "He's been proven innocent," Nope. That was debunked by fans, not officially.
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 The rumors are announced fake, there are a lot of proofs that he did not do them, moreover all the accuser herself was exposed using vpn and fake emails to catfish as a chinese/korean while using other people instagram pictures as a way for the story, don't know what the hell are you still saying but im guessing your not an nctzen since you look like you came from a cave
@@cosmofried I just knew that the girl was lying when she posted a picture of him laying on a sofa, mentioning that it was him lying on the sofa of a motel room where they spent the night. That picture was of WayV dorms lmao
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Sorry for the bad english lol it's not my first language
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 actually the so called "girls" who accused him never said anything about SA if you only read the translations you got it totally wrong the SA accusation is just made up from anties in the heat of the moment if you were there from the very the start you would know!!!
@@oifelixcomeherebro1689 sexual assault?? I thought it was just gaslighting
I cant believe “stays” would betray theyre own idol, i feel so bad for woojin he’s so innocent.
They didn’t betray him, they thought he did a horrid thing. You wouldn’t support someone after thinking they hurt others right? Exactly.
The rumors have been cleared now but people were just trying to help the alleged victims at the time. Everyone thought they were doing the right thing, it wasn’t “betrayal” so don’t label it as that.
@@hotsexyangel maybe people should calm down and see the outcome first rather than LITERALLY RUINING SOMEONES CAREER, stay neutral or support the victim while still being sus BECAUSE WE DONT KNOW ANYTHING, i refuse to blindly believe accusations ESPECIALLY those without any proof
@@hotsexyangel i think the big problem is how quickly stays turned on woojin. a fanbase is supposed to be loyal.
@@titandarknight2698 well he was literally innocent after all. the amount of stays who hate woojin because of these FAKE accusations is stupidly insane
I feel so sad for Lucas.He is just innocent.When I am in depression,I watch Lucas's videos and feel so happy.I can't imagine that he will suffer that much for such false accusation.I want to see Lucas happy face again.
Sadly many haters just got to hate even if proof is right in front of their face.
Y'all don't deserve woojin at all. He's sucha precious baby LIKE HOW DARE YOU F&KING HURT HIM so called sTaYS sMh and lucas oh god- do not get me started on both of them.
People hated woojin before he even left the group so, that just shows that stays were biased cuz he wasn’t ‘as attractive’
Which makes no sense because Woojin is attractive af
They are two faced
You're right he wasn't attractive...
He was FUCKING GORDEOUS AND ADORABLE!
Ikr? And tbh he was the first one to catch my eyes in skz, tbh. He just has this auro around him-
@@isabellebrown2215 yup!
You know what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
I just wanna give a warm hug to Woojin and Lucas. They've been dragged through mud for nothing but fake allegations :(
Not to descredit assault victims, but is so easy to go online and accused someone of something without any evidence. Ruin someone’s career with lies is terrible.
exactly my thoughts. it's especially unconsiderate because it just takes away power from honest accusations. just imagine the amount of bad things some idols might have done but we will never know because the person who knows about it is afraid they'll be seen as a liar
Exactly..ppl say guilty until proven to be innocent but I don't think that's fair. There shouldn't be any judgements being made.
Exactly but many excuse liars as not being bad at all. That is not true at all.
That’s why for Lucas im not believing anonymous accounts😂 and the Kris thing idk what to believe anymore lol
I find it interesting how these "rumors" only happen to certain ppl. If it's so easy to spread rumors online, why isn't it common and prevalent that can affect a lot of ppl? Perhaps there is really something about those ppl that are terrible and did something wrong that propagated worse rumors.
Its heartbreaking to see those so called nctzens trying to force lucas to get out of the group when he was PROVED false
anyway nct is 23 always!! lets support their cb coming soon ^^
yasss fighting czennies!
@@cosmofried yessssss🌱💚
Yes💚
@@cosmofried YASSS LETS GET IT~
It's 23 until SM decided to add a couple more
Imagine a new NCT member in the near future will claim that Lucas is his ex-boyfriend.
😂😂😂
Woojin and Lucas are innocent said by a StayZen
The people who jumped on the hate train against Lucas are disgusting. You should really be ashamed of yourself. Ot22 and Ot6s 🤮. Half of them were too lazy to actually read the posts and just followed behind others. Many who were antis and part of the same ring of saseangs who started this mess. For those who actually read and paid attention since this mess begin you'd know a few critical things:
1. The evidence provided by the OPs was debunked. Not some of it. All of it. The pictures of items OP claimed to purchase weren't even items available to be purchased where they claimed to live. Not to mention the spliced together voice-mail messages, the badly edited pics, etc.
2. The OPS never alleged SA. Ever. There's probably a good reason including them not wanting it to become a criminal investigation because then they would be held accountable for any false information they gave online or otherwise. In addition the dates they gave Lucas was out of the country and working. Was he SAing them via Zoom? Lucas is a foreigner living in a country with political tensions with his home country. There is no way the SK government would let Lucas as a Chinese man get away with a criminal offense against a Korean citizen.
3. Gaslighting/Cheating: the OPS said Lucas told them he didn't want a gf. If the allegations were true they chose to keep seeing him knowing he was not going to commit. They used gifts to try to win his affection. They didn't get the relationship they dreamed off so they turned on him. Using gifts to win affection and then turning on a person is manipulative and vengeful to say the least.
4. Lucas has the right to date who he wants even fans. He also has the right not to stay with said fans if they turn out to be possessive or obsessive. People in relationships even casual ones sometimes give each other gifts. Just because someone gives you a gift doesn't mean you owe them anything in return. This goes for men and women.
Do I believe Lucas dates -yep. I believe all idols do. The fact they have to hide it leads to crap like this where those they date can say anything because it's done behind closed doors instead of out in the open. People think Lucas is on a long hiatus because he really did something horrible. But it's really for his safety, he and his family are being followed and doxxed. He's receiving death threats. In addition SM is hiding him to protect their staff because Lucas said there are staff members selling access to members to saseang fans for money -which is so scary. So yeah there's more to it then just the online rumors but not necessarily for the reason alot of people think.
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Well said and explained 👏
I miss Lucas sm 😭
Let's just hope Jalapeño gets released and not cancelled cuz I've been dying to wait for the release but its being pushed further😞
This close to breaking into SM and leaking jalapeño
Even though I’m being neutral, I feel bad about Woojin and Lucas. They were brought onto similar scandal types, and they both have proven innocent and clear. But the hate train still running.
And now Lucas isn't part of WayV's comeback because of the hiatus 😔
Yes but sadly many idiots think he is being kicked out for sure. They surely know nothing.
Kpop idols celebrating their independemce got everyone mad. We (even famous ppl in our country) celebrate that too BUT our colonizers didn't go wild af just cuz of it. And once again WW2 was studies cuz of that simple "accident"
*south korea is a part of china*
@@GiselleOutsold get the f outta here and open geo text book gurl
@@dacom1179 PLZ SHE EMBARASSING AS HELL 💀✋
Exactly what I was thinking!! Why tf where they mad that Koreans were happy that their holders or slave masters left them to go? I’ve watched numerous films of when Japan use to hold Korea such as (assassination 2017 movie). I’d be happy too if our holder let us go
Most reasonable has to be Kris like the proof there was a lot. Still sad that Woojin still gets hate tho it makes no sense...same with Lucas as well..
To me the texts just look like him acting like an fboy tho. And his case is so messy idk what to believe anymore tbh
@@brennathecatlover4360 Wait Krises or Lucas? 😅
Not sure if what we saw in Kris’ case is all legit proof.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj you see I know some of it was lies but I also know they said some were true. I mean if it wasn't he wouldn't be arrested 🤷. Also there were other victims who came forward to say so to and didn't go to Twitter and other platforms to say so.
Woojin situation makes me sad. He really didn’t do anything.
He was seen frequenting prostitution bars, that's likely why he was kicked out as it is against their contract. He was kicked out of course he did something wrong??
@@itsRebeccaRayne he wasn’t kicked out lol. He left the group himself. Also he didn’t go to any prostitution bars 💀💀
@@itsRebeccaRayne he left the group mostly because he wanted to be a solo artist. He’s a soloist now. He looks really happy. Pls do ur research before you say silly things like that.
@@itsRebeccaRayne I don't know what kind of proof you wanna have to believe that he wasn't kicked out, but you literally have a jype announcement where it says he left for personal issues (which could be his desire to be soloist, mistreatment, a family issue, mental health problems etc etc). It doesn't say that he is kicked out anywhere in that announcement. (don't tell me things like 'jype probably hid it' or 'jype didn't wanna have scandals' cuz I'm sure if he did something wrong and actually was kicked out, that would definitely be written on jype's announcement) I don't know why you, people like you, try so hard to spread false information about someone you don't even know personally. Talking without any proof... Just say that you hate him...
@@talarv9026 for real. JYP is not shy to exposing the truth behind artist departures.. it takes simple research to see that. Like I hate how people make claims as such with no proof, especially when the claims are so serious. You can’t just say things like that. Words have serious impact. People now of days 🤦🏽♀️
Woojin is such a strong man I'm so proud of him. AND HOW DARE YOU CALL HIM UGLY just shows how shallow my fandom is, istg I'm so embarrassed
$hitty people please stay away I'll even pay you 💙💙💙
Yes , woojin is one of best member , he has personal reason to be separate and everyone respect it , even people hate bangchan to let go ,woojin , this things isn't in the hands to him, ....🙏🏻🙏🏻 Surely everything goes right with both of them
Why did he leave though?
@@Shivamkumar-uu9tu He left for personal matters (that's what it says on jype's announcement) and we won't know why, unless he himself wants to talk about it one day (he doesn't have to). And we don't have to know about it but just respect his decision. (btw if my phrasing sounds rude or harsh, sorry about it, I wasn't planning it to sound like that at all)
Chan literally said that woojin betrayed them💀
@@clehee4679 He didn’t say his name. So no he didn’t specifically say that Woojin betrayed them. Oh and Chan also said to not send hate to him when all those happened (when some stays were sending hate just because of Chan’s live) but you guys seem to dismiss those words of him. You listen to him when assuming that he says something bad about Woojin but when it comes to him actually warning to not send hate to Woojin, you are not listening all of a sudden. (Sorry if my phrasing is bad, english is not my native language)
@Moonstar aaww thank you. I just can’t stand these type of comments. Even though I wanna ignore, sometimes I just can’t. These people are ignoring the proofs/truth knowingly which is right in front of their eyes and that makes me mad.
I feel band for Lucas and Woojin, both have been proven innocent but people still hate on them.
the fact that the lucas allegations were made one day before his comeback with hendery. i don’t understand why we’re still debating this about him.
I can't speak on the others since I don't follow them but I'm hopeful Lucas returns to his active duties next yr. I know ppl are like how can you still root for him when he has SA allegations but I follow actual C-fans and while they admit he's being dragged for the fuck boy stuff, there are no SA allegations over there. Sure they could be lying but why would they when it would be easy for others to prove it's true? As for SK the cops there legit just made an arrest for a case of SA that happened like 14 yrs ago. They'd 100% be investigating him if those claims were true. So I dunno; I've read the debunked stuff on his other issues & whether you believe it or not it still shows stalkers are a whole ass mess.
Hope to see Lucas back soon
he may be back in 2022
@@cosmofried let's hope so
I'm telling you now and I'll even write it on paper for you. Lucas is innocent. 😭💚
im stay and i support ot8 but i dont think that woojin is a bully. i think he leave bc he doesnt like the music genre of skz. if you listen to his songs now, its very soft, which is the opposite of skz's music.
it really is very soft but its also because his album is about what he went through after he left skz and all the accusations started, if you take a look at english lyrics of ready now its pretty well explaining his feelings just like the rest of the album and his covers
@@nxlix.x5424 Yeah really his album is really good and the lyrics are so touching. He even participated on the lyrics of every song. He is doing really well but I wish all stays were there to support him on his worst times and not turn their back just like they did😔
Exactly plus he got really less lines, not saying that it's anyone's fault. It's just that it's SKZ's music is mostly focused on rap, that's the basic reason.
@@nxlix.x5424 Exactly, I literally bawled my eyes out while reading the lyrics of My Growing Pains 😭❤️
@@owo-xu1fb That's what all idols have to say tho....especially in his situation he wouldn't be able to say anything if they did treat him wrong because it will cause more hate. Although I so think it was best for him to leave he kinda saved the other boys from the scandal that was coming...
I swear they don't deserve this much hate🥺💜
*jimin desrved he is acting like a brat*
@@GiselleOutsold✨ shut up✨ sussy bAkA🎃
@@GiselleOutsold yeah shut up your mouth
@@GiselleOutsold You again😑😑😑
@@TanjiroKamado-yx2fz KONNICHIWA BAKA
Lucas is innocent. He exposed sasaengs in bubble and then Lucas got attack by rumors since then. If u read investigate report in Twitter you'll know those allegations was written by Sasaengs Yourhighness, luxor, flytothemoon, spacetape and other WayV Chinese and Indonesian sasaengs who live in Korea. In between that, there might some other Chinese sponsor who give money and cooperate with.
SM entertainment needs to release new statement. It's so wrong that SM keeps asking innocent idols to apologize first and then just let idols to fight these rumors alone.
Lucas is innocent. Haters can try all they want to discredit him and find stupid reasons to hate on him but you will never win. Allegations were proven false, evidences were fabricated, there was no victim. In fact the victim is Lucas himself. SA was never mentioned even in the fake accusations, this was something antis made up to spread like wildfire to hate on him. Saesangs started this whole thing specifically Your Highness and Luxor. KNOW the facts before spitting stupid nonsense defaming my boy. Nct OT23 and Wayv7
*kisses haters 😘* you lost 💅🏼
I don't know the whole thing clearly but jimin's controversy was a big misunderstanding and armys played a huge role in trying to resolve the issue by collecting information related to the text written on his shirt and they managed to get good evidences to prove that Jimin was not intended to hate Japanese people and did resolved the issue at the end proving him innocent
I'm glad :(
he was still walking around with a picture of a war crime on his back. it's inexcusable.
@@modkip25 if you look at it the text is in English and jimin definitely had no idea what it was talking about + T-shirts with a war picture and blast pictures are common in the market so it was hard to know the exact thing it is depicting also the outfits are given by the costume designers so you can't really blame jimin for it and no idol or public figure would like to ruin their years of hard work by doing something that dumb intentionally
@@jenneyluna3936 girl I am not justifying I am just sharing my thoughts and I don't understand how are you suppose to know which event does a particular picture represents I mean I couldn't guess which event a picture is from + why do you think he was celebrating isn't it dumb enough of a celebrity to do something like this on purpose and get cancelled by not just that entire country but also by several other people that too just before you have to perform there and he couldn't be thinking that no one will notice he's always followed by paparazzi also Japan has the biggest kpop fan base in the world every group wants to have their name established in Japan in such situations mocking Japanese people's sentiments is like purposely asking people to cancel them
PS : I'm just sharing my thoughts and I obviously do not support purposely mocking someone's sentiments
@@jenneyluna3936 listen to me I understand your point but the fact remains that the picture is very small trust me I wouldn't have noticed it myself if I was wearing that shirt and the text is related to patriotism as you mentioned which makes it look like something related to patriotic feeling for one's country more over it was at the back of the shirt and the odds of noticing it or understanding the true meaning behind it is very low as you can't see it yourself even in the mirror
And you didn't sounded rude at all you were just sharing your views as I was... you don't have to be sorry about it..and I know you too care about Jimin so don't worry I don't see you as a hatter 👍
The term "gas lighting" is being so incorrectly overused. Look up the meaning.
i was saying cause i looked it up (gas lighting meaning) and when i looked over the whole scandal it didn't sound nothing like "gas lighting" at all
Fr. Like... he "gaslighted" the girl into buying him expensive stuffs? Lmao.
The fact Lucas is innocent n is Still hated...The amount of troll on his mental health..I don't don't think Lucas will still be the same...He just needs to stay strong in this situation.. People need to understand this!! FIGHTING XUXI💚🌈📸
Just hope that when he return from his haitus we get the same old happy and cheerful lucas
@@luccasnct4296 I doubt that Still...I wish him a happy return
I trust Lucas...celebrity always has this kinds of small problem..i hope i comeback soon..better than ever 🥰🥰
So whenever a member leaves a group, their fandom doesn't just put the member's leaving under the carpet. Except... For Woojin. Stays dont wanna talk about him or the reason why he left
Stays should talk about what they did to wj behind his back.
They should talk about the petition they created to have him removed from the group because he did not fit their beauty standards, how they called him fat and ugly for years, how they sent letters to jype complaining about wj being fat which resulted in him being put on a corn only diet, how they would push wj out the way at airports because they didn't like him, how they sabotaged him on his birthday and refused to sing happy birthday to him.
That they won't speak of huh?
That is true and can you believe some fans even asked how to get rid of him on the posters and other group photos with him in it? I find that so sad… they claimed it was because they started liking the group after he left. Really??
They don't want to talk about him because they're the ones that ruined his career/reputation. They're also the ones that hated him whilst he was still in the group, believed the rumours without any proof (some even believe it still after it's been proven false) and they're the ones that still hate him.
They don't talk about him because it shows their toxicity, they truly are one of the worst fandoms.
Woojin is the main reason why I will never call myself a STAY. Y'all are actually VISCIOUS.
The reason why I would never become a stay is because toxic stay are the definition of fake love.
One minute they trend #thankyouwoojin upon his announcement he was leaving, and then the moment fake victim Thais and fake jype staff Rafa posted their bullshit they threw him to the sharks and leaked his private information, sent death threats, spread his nudes all over the world without even bothering to investigate.
While we in 72 hours established the bars were infact closed due to pandemic, at the time period hinted to in allegations.
They can take that fake love and shove it where the sun don't shine!
Preach
The reason I left Stray kids fandom is their fan. I could never be a stay ever.
PREACH
I started stanning Stray Kids after Woojin left. I never felt anything for him, and wasn’t around when he left so I hold no feelings towards him. However, the hate he gets it too extreme.
Lucas is Innocent !!!! His case is truly made up
the thing is that literally lucas and woojin didnt deserve any of it and still dont deserve it
i hope karma goes hard on those mfs who spread lies on woojin knowing how many ppl are actually needing help and assistance from abuse. weirdos
i feel so bad for woojin and lucas :(
the fact st@ys made cubs kill themselfs bc they liked woojin i litterally hate st@ys so much
I can’t believe the other stays aren’t over woojin like its kinda a long time ago woojin already moved on and so did straykids, woojin is better off without straykids and straykids is better off without woojin. End of discussion. (I’m a stay and a cub)
I never see people discuss how precarious Lucas's situation really is.. Lucas said saesangs are paying staff to get access to the members. Which is part of the reason he was targeted by them in the first place. People are always wondering how saesangs are getting the members' numbers and showing up wherever the members are. Obsessed fans are literally being aided by their managerial staff to stalk them. Why Lucas may have not been having relationships with fans. I bet SM/Label V staff are.
People thinking the hiatus is so long and extreme because the allegations may be true don't understand the gravity of what really happened. Lucas basically blew the whistle on his own company that's why he's been silenced. That with the political climate as he is from HK which has tensions with the Chinese government as well as works in SK which has it's own tensions with China made the whole situation even more high stakes. So Lucas's situation has a lot of implications for all the parties involved. Which is why he's literally vanished. It's way bigger than your average "scandal". I hope he has somebody he can trust wherever he is.
That makes complete sense. I didn't know Lucas said that, but if he did he didn't reveal anything new. There are many stories of these idol managers (not only in SM) using their position and the fame of the idol for their own benefit.. I still wonder where was his manager??
Hi! Can you tell me when/ where did he say they've paid Sasaeng staff. I mean we all know WayV have Sasaeng staff bcz they leaked their info even before the scandal but I can't remember him calling out their staff. If what you said was true , it makes sense considering the way he disappeared after hiatus.
Jimin's shirt was picked by stylists. She herself admitted it and apologized
Daesung was proven innocent through police investigations. It was proven that the man was already died when he had the first accident and his family accepted and forgave Daesung. Also Daesung was not drunk, he was just driving carelessly which caused him to not see the victim's body on the street. Also it was said that the taxi and Daesung's car were really close to each other so when the taxi driver changed the line he didn't have enough time to react and do the same.
Kim Hyun Joong was proven innocent as well. His image was damaged the worst among all these guys mentioned and not only for those 2 years but all these years until now he can not have activities in SK. The ex-girlfriend was lying about everything and it was proven on court and she was sentenced as well.
Lucas and Woojin were innocent but were canceled because nowadays Kpop fans just ride on the train of hate without waiting for evidence or furthur news.
Most of the male idols that get hate are because of serious accusations which not all of them are real, but all of them get canceled even if they are proven innocent.
Why would Jimin be called a Nazi when the Japanese people were on the Nazi’s side as an Axis power (not Ally)? If anything, he’s celebrating the demise of the Axis powers’ regime…?
I see Woojin I click and can say that he is not a bully
If you watch his videos you can see how well wj gets on with 10x staff.
Bad behavior is habitual and repetitive.
You can't hide it forever because it will rear its ugly head.
WJ has been with 10x 16 months now and you can see they always have great fun together.
The staff at 10x really love wj alot.
WOOJIN DOESNT DESRVE THE HATE IM A STAY AND IM ALSO A CUB LIKE YALL GOT NO FUCKING PROOF HES A BULLY THE ONLY PROOF WAS THE CLIP FROM THAT GAME EVERYONE WAS PLSYING TOUGH AND THEY DIDNT GET CALLED BULLY
I just realized why I left certain fandoms but still listen to some group songs still e.g. It's because of the fandom toxicity some ncztens was literally forcing Lucas to leave even after he was proved innocent. Stays well boii that's one of the most toxic fandoms ever you may not see it but once you reach at the bottom of the fandom you will see many things that will make you want to leave many people only see the surface of the fandom Stray Kids also I don't stan them anymore either for reasons. Anyways I'm happy that Woojin is doing well and is healthy. I'm still a little sad that Lucas isn't back as yet but once he's healthy and happy so am I.
Missing Huang Xuxi so much
Justice for Lucas
Woojin is a warm person and as a cub, I can say he deserves all the love he's getting from his fandom. But honestly, It's really frustrating when people use those false statements to just throw hate on him, like omg just leave him alone. If you don't like someone it's fine, just mind your own business 🕴️🕴️🕴️
*bangchan is more talented*
@@dacom1179 👑👑👑
@@GiselleOutsold Did we ask?🤨
@@GiselleOutsold
Tzuyuoutsold
You still talking bullshit huh?
I feel sorry for the person who has to kiss that vile mouth of yours.
Oh wait, let Chan kiss it.
@@GiselleOutsold no one cares
I think Mr. Woojin is not a bully, he is being manipulated
Seriously i mean how can 1 person bullied 8 person who's already good in self defense.
No matter what happens cubs are always with woojin 🐻. When people said that when they first saw him they just get bad feelings from him but when I saw him I don't know he is looking low-key sweet and soft that time some stays tell me he is a bully but I never believed I don't know anything about stray kids that time but I seen a lot of people mocking his appearance in comment section. When cubs asked him about the situation he said past 3 months he can't even sleep properly he said he wished to commit sui..cide but he is afraid of it so he didn't done it I'm so happy atlast he has his cubs now he seems so much happy
I suddenly remember when Lucas made bracelets during Mtopia😭 His smile was literally innocent when he lend it to other Super M members one by one....why is this happening to him 😭 he doesn't deserve this
Why people hate Lucas it already prove it fake and he innocent 😭
Because people are fake and love to jump on bandwagons.
If they really cared about real sa victims, they would be crowdfunding so real victims can get abortions, therapy, and medical treatment for hiv, stds, bladder and yeast infections, torn vaginal walls from dry sex etc.
Instead all internet sa crusaders do is throw words around and jump on bashing bandwagons.
Lucas is innocent 😔
Woojin getting hate was the most stupid thing in kpop. Like i extremely love skz(im a stay) but then i also respect woojin. Leaving the group was his decision and people should respect it not blame him. And guess what. People made chan(leader) apologize for Woojin Leaving the group,cuz chan promised to take care of the group and stay 9 together. I dunno if u ever noticed but it's not only Woojin, the amount of hate skz gets is really too much too( and as much i know stays won't hate their own idols, so saying it was only stays hated woojin is wrong). So in short whether it's 9 of them or 8 of them they are still getting hatred, which they don't deserve. Nobody should be hated. Respect Woojin and skz both.
Yea I remember stays were the first one putting woojin on a blast and adding up countless allegations on him, essentially fueling the fire and rumour mongering cause they didn’t want him to affect their OPPARS reputation! kinda sad how his EX fandom turned on him so fast, disgusting, I hope cubs treat him better
yeah it's really sad. I'm saying this as a Stay, if the current members were accused of something similar, I'm pretty sure those who hated Woojin at that time would be the ones defending the accused member right now. Btw, I'm in the Cub fandom and I'm seriously really happy. The fandom is full of nice people and all of us treat him well don't worry.
@Siddhi Kadam Heyoo! Nice to meet you too! Were you a fan of him, I mean did you know him when he was in the group or you just became a fan when he debuted as a soloist? Just curious 😊
Woojin is well loved by Cubs, and he loves Cubs. He looks happy! 10x treats him well.
Just wanna quote a line from a song by 3racha, sung by chan" haters gonna hate cuz they live low"
I hope that karma comes to the people who falsely accused Woojin. The whole situation really stained Woojin’s career (badly). People believed the rumours even though there was no hardcore proof, the only “proof” that was there easily got debunked in the finger killer documentary.
Yet, people still hate on him for dealing with the situation badly even though it has been PROVEN it was a mistranslation.
I do too but sadly karma does not seem to work at all. I used to really believe in karma but not much anymore.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj I think 10x entertainment going to take legal action against that girl.
When I have seen so many people believing in the accusations against Lucas without any research or second thought about it I just knew they were no real Nctzens, but also felt so bad for Lucas, he is such an innocent soul, and the way people didn't even go with 'innocent until proven otherwise' was so heartbreaking. Haven't we learnt from Johnny Depp's case enough?
Johnny Depp's case is the result of the mindset "believe the victim first" his career was almost shattered. No matter what case it is don't always believe the victim first or the accused, just stay neutral in every kind of case
And in the mean time those sasaengs are posting on weibo how they know of Lucas whereabouts.
Why would you still be stalking a man who you claim violated you?
Its shocking how daft people are!
@@Goosyloosy they are obsessed with him clearly shows they are sasaengs anyways where is lucas in korea or china
Sadly there are many who are anti male and always believe the women when they accuse the men of anything. I argued with some sick women like that who claimed to be married to men too. Haters just got to hate even if proof was in front of their faces.
Its sad how people believe anything they hear.
I feel like for me as a STAY, I feel bad for Woojin so much... He's a good person & he deserved so much better. I never took him for granted, ever...
I’m happy that woojin seems to be doing better. I haven’t listened to or watched all his content, but it seems good! Definitely gonna be a cub soon 🐻
Everything single day new content 💙🐻
I’m actually starting to become a supporter of woojin ^_^
@@Muniii10 i watched the learning spanish live and it was so cute
@@coffeetae I know right. He literally putting everything to keep us happy. If you became Cub, than welcome to our fandom Cub. I'm mama cub and I really love to welcome baby cubs 💙
@@Muniii10 aw ty 😭 i definitely will
Jimin: man I sure am glad we don't live in a totalitarian regime after being colonized by another country
Japan: how fucking dare you
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i feel really bad for lucas, the allegations were debunked but his image is ruined, it'll take long before he gets his reputation back
NCT OT23 ALWAYS 💚💚 #BRINGLUCASBACK
Imagine hating on woojin now LMFAOOO the people who started the rumour can cry about it to a wall, woojin is stronger and better than ever
Woojin is the kindest soul alive
You what’s really sad is that so many people lie online about getting SA by a celebrity to the point where it makes it hard for victims who actually have this happen to them to speak out. For anyone who went/is going through something like this, just a reminder that you are strong, you will get through this, and you’re not alone💕
I feel hella bad for jimin I swear he will get hate just for breathing
Seriously guys stop hating on kpop idols #respectkpopidols get a life people 💜
Yes true
Jimin king of kpop
Jimin apologized for something that had absolutely nothing to do with what was printed on his shirt? Seriously? They always make it about themselves, ignoring the deaths and suffering caused by the real perpetrators. Every.Single. Time.
AOA's Jimin was forced to leave the industry for also accusations of Bullying. Some of these male idols have literally (bigbang's Daesang), Killed, abused, harm, and hurt someone yet they still managed to stay in the industry. Why? because of their delusional fans and the unfair treatment of women. Plus, bigbang has a BIG comeback. wow.
I miss and love Lucas
im a 31 yr old woman, likes kpop, but seeing how extensive fans are, i was baffled about how some fans produce story fiction which are r18..and i wonder how old these "authors" are, and knwing some scandals, which makes me question wat if these are all fabricated stories from a psychopath fan destrying a successful idol... very creepy, yo kids, stop it,..
If they are just fan fictions then they should not be taken seriously.
@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj alright genz..😂 in my pov, i just think how creepy and crazy a fan can imagine things to their idols, is it normal for u??? if its normal then go out touch some grass, just a thought from ur milenial😝😝😝 auntie
@@highdopamine29 I agree... I am sure that those authors are not even 16! It's creepy.
@@highdopamine29 Not really as they are fiction. It is ok to be creative. It’s not like they are going out to do anything bad… I am older than you so I know how it is.
@@jennierubyjane2007 How do you know that? I am sure many of them are way older than that…
No one did anything wrong. Fans are just too sensitive about every fucking thing 🙄
The most hated Male idol might be
Seungri or Kris I think 🤔
They deserve it.
@@Neha_the_great_sharma as much I miss 0t12 I won't defend kris at all
@@dacom1179 well I heard that he is been sentenced for 3 years because of prostitution case ?
I heard People still does hate them
That scandal is still not clarified enough I think they don't had any valid reasons against him well if he is innocent I have no problem I'll edit the comment don't consider that as a hate
But his Hyungs always have been mentioning about seungri' behavior and his freinds
@@Neha_the_great_sharma they certainly do
Senugri is innocent even the victims tell senugri doesn't done anything to them.
Jimin just wore a T-shirt 🙄
At least Daesung helped the motorcyclist and even PRAYED for him to recover