If Furina is indeed the real archon, Arlecchino assassinating her would cause a calamity (maybe a flood) as she is divinity. Same way when the God of Salt was killed by her people.
I think the Furina we see is genuinely a normal human/puppet cursed to play the role of the hydro archon while the real deal is in the Oratrice, so killing her would theoretically not do much. It would however create some... problems for Fontaine to say the least.
@@Noahhendelson Thats 2 comments in 2 videos. Plus not many people caught on this info. I'd rather state my own case than follow other comments that say the same thing.
@@jessquiatchon2204 the occurence of calamity after killing an archon is not stated yet anywhere in the genshin lore...So we will have to wait I guess...
Wait, is it just me or did the last scene subtly hint that Arlecchino will indeed be playable? That whole "I might have to work with you from time to time": really is a big tease.
@@silverhawkscape2677 yeah, with Childe, our relationship was "it's a secret between you and me." But with Arlecchino, it's pretty much her having an official business deal with us.
Well, said drunk Anemo archon also saved Mondstadt against tyranny, aristocracy and two corrupted dragons. Furina, as of the moment, does not even come close near Venti's resume.
@@slevangelista4816 I imagine Arlcchino after meeting her "with this goddess we are completely screwed" XD But seriously even she said that she feels like Furina is cursed, and the moment in which Furina responded with confidence makes me think that there is something that she did to herself or the old water archon did to her to prevent the prophecy. 4.2 It will be very interesting
@@slevangelista4816 Well, we ARE still early in the Archon quest - that's probably to come, similar to how Nahida was always known as the "Lesser Lord" before she took on the full responsibilities as the Archon after Rukkhadevata rewrote history to remove herself from the people's memories
@@slevangelista4816all the Fontainians are water people created by Furina and thats why they disolve when exposed to a lot of primordial water. Crackpot theory
Or that the Geo Archon always found himself in debt, and was constantly asking the traveller for mora. Still waiting for him to pay back the interest he owes me
I'm guessing that Furina gave her powers as the Archon to the Oratrice. Could have a couple of reasons, maybe because she came to the conclusion that Archons are still too human for giving perfect judgement. I mean, Neuvi is sure she is the Archon, could he be wrong? Besides, she is around for like 500 years, there has to be something unnatural about her, right? And of course, the statues in Fontaine do look like her.
Yes and no! Nahida said in 3.2 that Focalors makes the final judgement. So furina and Focalors are two different beings. Focalors is the one in the oratrice
Same theory. Her Gnosis is in the Oratrice since the people gather their emotions for the verdict, I assume that it's similar to how Gnosis grants power to their wielded in assocation with how much their believers feel about them.
@@kiyopawnSince Neuvi also said that the Usurper took a part of Sovereigns' powers, we can assume that Gnosis are actually those powers but in a sealed form (and from what I remember, the translation of Gnosis from chinese to english is literally god's heart, which further corroborates this). The Gnosis being inside the Oratrice is perhaps the sole reason Oratrice and Neuvi always had the same judgement. As for Childe situation, I think that either Egeria, or other Furina did something to the Gnosis, and that Childe's sentence is some sort of "look over there" message.
so its gonna be the same as inazuma and sumeru. the archon we know is not the archon the people used to know. Raiden is a robot, Nahida is a Proxy clone of Rukhadevata. and Furina is only a puppet for Focalor?
You know i can totally see this happening with the reason for them even meeting and acquainting one another is Arlechinno being curious on who's the motherfucker who stole Pantalone's gift jacket to the tsaritsa.
At the very least they should make them friends gameplay wise. I don't want another Dehya situation where she can't even work with Yelan/Xingqiu. What a scam.
I immediately thought of Yelan as well the moment Arlecchino mentioned intelligence-gathering lol. It would be cool to have an event where they meet and exchange intelligence but for their own different purposes
Not all archons are the same, Arlecchino should not set expectations and perceive the others to be the same as her Tsaritsa lol. After seeing their interaction and Furina defending the accusation that she's not doing anything vs the prophecy, clearly states that she's more than just that flamboyant, dramatic and "bratty" lady. Theres more to her than meets the eye and i cant wait for her lore on 4.2
Maybe, but even from the foolish Raiden Ei, you feel this sense of awe coming from her. And if you think about it, one can tell Venti and Zhongli got something more to them than it meets the eye, though you can't outright figure it out that they are the Archons. But Furina doesn't act like a God at all and her aura feels so lackluster. You could tell there is more to her than it meets the eyes, but not in the way Venti and Zhongli's mysterious-ness intrigues us. There's definitely something very wrong with her and I do think that she isn't the archon. My theory is that Focalors may have locked away her memories so that her present self wouldn't mess with the plan she has in motion. We definitely saw Mary-Ann do that to herself in the world quest. Remember, Ayato and Yelan hold hydro visions. We know that the type of vision given out is based on how close the person's personality is to the archons. Definitely secret Furina is playing out a masterplan that no one understands. Not even the Ludex or the current dumb Furina.
She got no aura and charisma…nahida faced higher ranking harbinger plus scaramouche and she was still able to handle it well. Arlecchino presence alone was already able to shake furina to the core.
@@dokjakim45 She is modeled and reference to Raven from Hi3rd of course she is gonna be a gray character, but there would come a time where we have to fight her.
HOLD UP, what if Furina has two souls in her, and whenever Furina is active, you cant get the gnosis, but only when the other soul is active will the gnosis be in her body
Kinda Yes, kinda no. I think if there is some "other personality", then it should appear to Save Furina during assasination. Like, its primal instinct, do everything to survive. So, I think her gnosis/archon powers/personality is somewhere else (oratrice?)
You just might be right. Furina is the "drunk" personality, while Focalors is the "sober" personality -- sort of like Jekyll and Hyde or Bruce Banner and the Hulk. Also, perhaps the gnosis is not worn outside the body, but is INSIDE her like how Nahida's was. Where inside? WHY are YOU going there?!
The only way for a Harbinger to become playable and not a wasted potential is to cooperate with the Traveler. It seems that Arlecchino manage to dodge the Signora treatment.
Then Dottore stans won’t be happy when he isn’t playable 😡😡😡😡😡 (In a sense though, that logic does make sense. Even tho Scaramouche ended up acting hostile towards us, he did help at the beginning from the 1.1 quest iirc. And Childe is well, Childe.)
Hoyo kicking themselves for killing Signora since everyone wanted to pull for her, costing them millions in potential profit. So they're making it up with The Knave.
It’s still interesting that Arlecchino was getting very anxious with furina. She was hitting her with a lot of questions and knowing furina ( has a split personality) I feel like that was her other side talking when they discussed the fate of fontaine since most people are aware, that the primordial sea will sink fontaine and everyone will dissolve. Also I strongly believe Furina’s gnosis is inside the oratrice it would make sense why she possibly kept it there Arlecchino is hands down the best harbinger
Wrong! Ask the Wanderer. Wanderer mentions she is wolf in sheep clothing. People who seen her real are dead. Wait for next archon quests you will see her real.
@@redblue17 Ok? And wanderer is dead wrong lmfao she’s only a wolf in sheep’s clothing to outsiders , only reason why she hasn’t threatened us travelers is because we’re acquainted with Childe & the twins. She’s not a bad person or a good person she has her agenda she wants to achieve which is why she’s the best harbinger hands down.
@@NLGogeta Let's see who will be correct in the archon quests. Every evil person also has agenda. In that case Signora, dottore also had own ambitions, agenda and pure evil are also nice. Her false face will be exposed in further archon quests. lmafo If you have admiration of a character based on beauty then I can't say any more. Best harbinger? 😅. It's more like a tasty poison. xd
@@redblue17 again I’m not talking about her looks lmfaoo I’m talking about her personality you’re the one basing it off that. Dottore is far more evil then the knave she’s the opposite she’s more anti hero / anti villain everything I’m saying is factual you haven’t proven anything other than “ shE’s a bAd pErSoN “ okay and lmfaoo like I said she’s the best harbinger they introduced.
Furina being so weak and incompetent is kind of genius. I don’t know what the previous hydro archon was cooking, but by leaving Furina weak and in the dark as a figurehead has actually protected her to a degree and made the gnosis much harder to find. She’s essentially a red herring for anyone plotting to get the gnosis, and not worth confronting or being seen as a threat. This might be the hardest the fatui have had to work to even find the gnosis.
Could it be that while the former Hydro archon was fighting in the Cataclysm way back and died, her nation Fontaine, was also facing its battle? Without their archon, Fontaine fell and lost as well. Then, Furina, the current archon was born in Fontaine after Egeria’s passing. She learned that everybody there have died and that she’s all alone. Maybe those were her tears (feelings) that we can still hear in the fountain of Lucine. Out of desperation and love for Fontaine, she revived everyone using the primordial sea waters, as oceanids. Everyone in Fontaine ARE oceanids. Fontainians are elemental beings, that’s why we can harvest their energy via the Oratrice to power the nation. Furina probably was cursed by Celestia for doing so, for interfering with what should have been (reviving the people).Celestia took her divine power and even her consciousness, but she was able to put her gnosis in the oratrice first so she can still guide and be able to fulfill her role as an archon, God of Justice even by means of becoming a machine. The current Furina probably is an empty shell of what Furina used to be, cursed by Celestia for all we know. Maybe that’s why Mage ‘N’ was the one who introduced her, because she made a change in history for bringing her people back from the dead.
They said, she will not go against Celestia, probably because her consciousness is not there at all anymore. I hope the real Furina will come back, though.
Ah yes, Arlechino reveals that Furina is fake, by expressing her personal theories based on a single example(the Tsaritza) Truly a solid theory with no holes whatsoever
I think anyone who relies on indoctruniating child soldiers should be viewed skeptically especially with regards to any moral standing. Like who is she to judge when one of the tsaritsa own fatui...looks at childe...tried to drown liyue. Furina may be a childish and arrogant but she's smarter than most give her credit for.
@@rushalias8511 Furina might not be an idiot but she is in no way smart. She has the mind of a child and is immature af. You dont need to try hard to understand it.
I mean considering Furina’s kit (gameplay wise) has Archon written all over it, I highly doubt she isn’t. Meaning, she’s as cracked as past archons and has the unique Archon trait of having 100% uptime on her skill by having a CD that’s much smaller than the skill duration. That being said, lore wise, there’s something definitely super weird about Furina that we haven’t learned yet. In her official splash art, she is for some reason holding a vision (probably fake) that she hasn’t been holding in the game so far.
She's only holding a vision in her leaked splash art, which isnt official (yet). It's the same situation like wanderer. That's like saying 'Wanderer splash art somehow has a vision but Scaramouche doesn't'
Plus, ANYONE can be an archon... A drunk bard (Venti), Someone always in debt (Zhongli), A woman who keeps herself to herself (Raiden Shogun/ Ei - pre Inazuma), and someone not completely an archon (Nahida - until everyone's memory of Rukkhadevata is wiped)
it would make sense for neuvillete to have a concrete link with the hydron archon with his kit being so alike to hydro traveler's (there's even a synergy with the droplets)
@@banir3736 I didn't stated that he was the hydro archon, I just pointed out the fact that there are many similarities between his kit and hydro mc's like they were between between all the other mc's kits and known archons until now. I don't have a deep knowledge of the lore and I don't want to assume anything though
I think Furina IS the hydro archon but something has weakened her, or her power is elsewhere. She has to put on a big show so that people won’t notice, like a magic act.
Well, yeah - looks can be deceiving Venti/ Barbatos: Drunk Bard Zhongli/ Rex: Forever in debt Raiden/Ei: Reclusive because of her strong belief in eternity Nahida/ Kusanali: Descendant of the original Dendro Archon Furina/Focalors: Relies on theatrics to keep her calm persona
Wait, since childe looks to be in the primordial sea. A woman voice in the oratrice. Convicting tartaglia of guilty regardless. The archon was stopping the prophecy indeed.
Theres this theory that every gnosis are the power of each sovereign dragon, celestia took it and gave it to the archon to rule each region, furina still is the real hydro archon, and neuvillet is confirmed hydro dragon, after finishing 4.1 archon quest it all make sense now in order to solve the crisis of fontaine. furina needs to step down and give the archon tittle to neuvillet, because neuvillete is more capable of solving the primodial sea water issue in fontaine, he also need the power of hydro gnosis to be able to use his full power as a hydro dragon.
But that can never be because the way the story goes, the gnosis will eventually fall into the hands of Fatui one way or the other. The already got the most of them
@@Meestordandan they could always take it afterwards. I mean i doubt they could take it from a fully fledged dragon sovereign with power many times stronger than an archon’s but like he’d probably give it to them. They want the same thing he does, to topple celestia.
@@elainasynranelt too soon to say. We don’t know what the fatui got. And plus it’s not like they took it by force every time. In fact, it was only once.
I'm so glad we're finally able to talk with the Fatui in a normal and trustworthy fashion after being completely hostile and biased against them for no reason. Maybe it's just Arlecchino, but they clearly aren't hell-bent on creating chaos for fun. They still care about their respective nations and their feelings are directly tied to them. E.g. Signora despising Venti because of the suffering Monstadt went through because of his lack of presence, Scaramouche now studying about Irminsul because he wants to undo the unfortunate fates like his own, Childe caring for his homeland because they're the only ones who show him kindness, and now Arlecchino who's putting her duties on hold in order to save Fontaine.
Venti was sick (Probably) and had to sleep. Fatuis did some plots that indirectly killed Diluc's father. The Fatuis in Liyue tried to fuck the city with a old god, Signora and Morax was there but a single mistake and the city could go to hell. Scara was selling fake visions that could take a lot of your life and the Fatuis minions tried to blow up a entire island of Inazuma. Scara in Sumeru tried to become a maniac god and murder Nahida. They also make unnecessary approaches in Liyue and Mond. I mean? Makes every single sense. Traveler was beaten by La Signora, then was unable to stop Childe, got beaten by Scara, defeated Signora, beat Scara to the end being one shot by Dottore, the Fatui that basically tortured one of his friends (Collei). The only strange thing here its the way that he acts all friendly with Childe
@itsux_4249 Because most of the time the Fatui is genuinely up to no good you know. Have you even been playing the game And no the Traveler doesn't do anything on the level of Fatui, like hurting innocent people (they were pretty much responsible for Diluc's father's death, for one)
I mean most of the time the Fatui is up to no good, so no surprise the Traveler is hostile to them I mean have you forgotten that Signora was antagonistic to them the first time they met for pretty much no reason? Not a very good first impression right there
“For no reason”. As yes because Signora attacking Venti and stealing his Gnosis, Childe trying to kill all of Liyue, Signora and Scaramouch giving the people of Inazuma delusions that they know will kill then and Dottore and Scaramouch trapping the people of Sumeru in an endless cycle so that they can create a gods we’re all just misunderstandings.
I think Furina IS the hydro archon, but possibly that there’s something holding her back or blocking her from using her true power. Or maybe it’s something the previous archon did just before she passed? Only time and the 4.2 patch can tell us the real answer!
My current theory is that Furina is the archon but her power is "split" by the curse. My best guess would be that her godly half and the gnosis are in the Oratrice.
For some reason, it all moves too fast, just as fast as the Inazuma Archon Quest, except we have more time to fill with an extra patch to finish the book. As rumors of Arlecchino being playable arises, it just feels sad we won't have another Harbinger to duel.
Well not all of the Harbingers is evil tho, they have their reasons too, Especially Childe and Arlecchino who's completey gray character and on our side too Indirectly Not like Dottore or even Signora if i need to say, who's completey Douche...
@@Wolf-vy7etThere was obviously nothing to extend on in this quest. They’re not going to make us spend two patches in meropide and neither were they trying to tease us endlessly about Neuvillette’s identity. This is not Watatsumi 2.0
I wonder why Arlecchino don't have a grudge on Aether for defeating Signora on Inazuma. Aren't she's the only one who " felt pity & care about Signora " during Signora's funeral?🤔
Didn't Childe warned us about Arlecchino being a backstabber at any opportunity that she got? I havent watch this video because im planning to see the cutscene myself.
That’s because this is reflected by her Italian Mask. In Italy, Arlecchino is the “cunning servant”, who always speaks the truth with jokes and laughs, and it’s at odds with his master Pantalone (Pierrot), he’s helped by his friend Brighella with his schemes, and he’s in love with Colombina.
This might be dumb but could Childes master be the archon? Could Childe be the actual Hydro Archon without knowing since he did lose his control of his vision? It would be EPIC
ion think childe would be the hydro archon- cuz he's 11th out of the 11 fatui. Only the top 3 r on par with gods, and not the top tier gods, which r archons. It also just seems wrong asf, cuz that means we wouldve seen archon in the liyue nation release of like 2 years ago... also the fact is i dont think that he wouldve just lost to neuvillette during his sailor moon transformation if that were the case
Maybe. But there is also the thing that archon's powers dont sit well with each other. Nahida herself said that the electro gnosis in her hands could bring disaster, and the same logic could be applied to hydro archon and delusions, a power given by tsaritsa
@@Makoy855I think that’s the thing. It’s the fact we hardly know anything about her that we suspect she has a deeper connection to Fontaine. I don’t think her being archon is all that farfetched tbh
@@kylliancx2534 close no they have power comparable to that of gods and dottore was a lot stronger when he met with nahida, nahida had to lie and made a deal with dottore because the knew she couldn't fight him
@@ratkaslanathere's a massive difference between Gods and archons... the are peasant God's like which kid Shenhe killed there are God's like xiao which are still below mid ranking God's then there's powerful God's like osial who could take all the mid ranking God's of liyue and still be winning... then there's archons who decimated all their competition which is why they were crowned archons... As for sumeru Rukkhadevata was ridiculously powerful and she had help from Desheret so no one could actually challenge her... as for Nahida she is weak and not a combatant even raiden speaks of how she is powerful in other ways hinting at it not being combat and Dottore only started talking big after putting traveller to sleep with a cheap potion otherwise he would've gotten his cheeks clapped Lastly let me point out that dottore still fears the power of his archon and she is by no means anywhere close to the strongest... being close to God's in power doesn't mean close to archons... even raiden 1 shotted a pretty powerful God in Orabashi without the use of a gnosis The archons are the strongest gods(both venti and nahida have weakened significantly combat wise as you would know if you read the lore) with only the sovereigns and the primordial one(who I think is the unknown god) being stronger
But... if Arlecchino is not an enemy and we are already at fifth nation, How are they gonna make us fight the 8 remaining members of the fatui ? Are we gonna go in more places before snezhnaya ? Are more of the members not gonna fight us ? Are We gonna help the Fatui in the end ? So many many many questions in me. what do you guys think ?
Not all of the Fatui are evil by the way, Not everyone is the same as Dottore or even Signora who's completely Douche.... So Far by now, The Only Harbingers that Traveler working together with is Arlecchino and Tartaglia
Snezhnaya is their HQ so i won't be surprised if we will meet most of them there And judging from leaks (grain of salt) we *might* encounter at least THREE harbingers on Natlan
Alright, this definitely changes everything. But now I have a crazy theory; What if the Hydro Gnosis was destroyed? There’s a theory that when the Sovereign were defeated by Celestia and the humans, Celestia put most of the essence of the Sovereign into the Gnoses, and divided the rest into Visions. And before you mention Apep, know that his full essence hasn’t been released. Nahida stated that she and Traveller just purged the corrupted side of them, and it’s shown upon its release that it was only a part of Apep as they didn’t return to full physical form and was just spiritual. Anyways, eventually Focalors gets her hands of the Gnosis and becomes the Archon, and eventually she experiments with the powers of the Gnosis and attempts to use it to power the Oratrice. Yet something goes horribly wrong, and the Gnosis is destroyed in the process. And while most of the power of the Gnosis was absorbed by the Oratrice, a portion of it was released, and gave form to Neuvillette. As a result of the Gnosis being destroyed, Focalors lost her powers and abilities to divinely utilize justice. In addition, she lost her memories of how the Oratrice functioned or how she lost her powers. And as the Sovereign has now been partially released, the prophecy can now become true. Because just as the Sovereigns hate Celestia and the Archons, a released Neuvillette would want to destroy Fontaine in revenge. But the reason he hasn’t done so yet is because he’s not at full power and doesn’t recall everything as the rest of his memories and power make up the Oratrice. And as for how this would affect the Fatui getting all 7 Gnoses, I can imagine that with Neuvillette’s release that they would intervene and put at least most of his essence back into a new one. That, or the Fatui could put the remaining essence into a new host and use that.
Arrlechino and childe are like the only harbingers that speak to our character without hostility. We didn't even talk to dottore properly, signora and scaramouche were just too full of themselves. I wonder how capitano, damslette, pulcinella and sandrone will be like.
I would think that furina have double personality? So her double is the one who does all the work, hence she confidently (well, not really) said she have her own plan. But she doesn't know the detail of it. Its probably related to the curse arlecchino talk about?
I dont think there is any hydro archon yet. Furina is the temporary situation. Neuvillette is known, but he can not expose it. A nation needs a ruler .This reminds me of Alexander the Great as Egeria. Their death is very sudden. Alexander final words "To the strongest"
My guess is that the former Hydro Archon sentenced the people to be dissolved using the Gnosis to influence the Primordial Sea, Furina either was struck first or most gravely for this sentence and thus cursed but because of her divinity, she didn´t die, as for Neuvilette, he probably was asked to fulfill her sentence rather than the Oceanids, and when he ultimately refused to sacrifice everyone for their assumed "sins", they chose to leave Fontaine
I had a lot of doubts because of internet on the furina question and a lot of people think that she isn't the archon, some times i believe them but a lot of people as well don't do a simple thing: go watch the statue of the hydro archon and you can clearly see the the hair style is the same so why so much people think she isn't the archon, maybe i am missing some piece
Кто бы что не говорил, но Арлекино искренне заботиться о своих детях и стремится остановить угрозу в Фонтейне. Она также весьма лояльно относится к путешественни(ку/це). Хотя я не отрицаю, что Слуша, вероятно, пытается завербовать нас на свою сторону. Я также заметила, что остаются в живых только те предвестники, которые хорошо относятся к путешественни(ку/це) (верно Синьюра).
Interesting, although I haven't played the archon Quest yet it's getting interesting pretty early. NGL but the Sumeru Archon quest starting was kinda boring for me especially after playing the Chasm quest.
Imagine if The Knave tried to take the Gnosis from Furina by force like Signora did to Venti,..... I wonder if Furina could bleed with the curse on her
I always like to wonder if the more violent harbingers Arlechino and Dottore ever tried doing something like this to Zhongli or Ei. Theyd probably just get ignored or killed lol.
I guess Fatui are the good guys that happen to do wrong things for the greater good of tevyat but i still think the harbingers all have a different motive than the Tsartisa in the end as they all have connections to their own regions.
I feel like the Primordial Sea is the previous Archon. When Neuvillette seals it he mentions “this sentence is too severe” as if he knows the sea personally.
Furina is the archon I mean look at the statues. I think something just happened which we don't know yet. Maybe she was really cursed? Or she really has a second personality. Only hoyoverse knows.
@@MiyuKawasakisorry to say this but the hair and facial shape looks like Furina and with Nahida's case, Rukkhadevata did have a child form and that's Nahida so the statues really adopts to the current archon in power
I’m starting to believe that the hydro archon is split into 2 entities: Furina and the Oratrice Macanique d’Analyse Cardinale. Given that Furina was inflicted with some kind of curse as revealed by Arlecchino, and she doesn’t remember anything even before creating the Oratrice, it is quite possible that she used/split her power to create a machine that would accurately carry out justice while also creating an energy source that will most likely be used in some way to combat the crisis, as also mentioned by Arlecchino. After all, everything about Furina seems to be split: Her appearance, her kit, her personality. It is very possible that the Oratrice is the one in possession of the Hydro Gnosis and thus is possibly the mastermind behind it all. Specially given how Furina confidently says she has been working on a plan, but is unsure as to what the plan even is, almost as if she’s speaking for 2 different entities.
Arlecchino and Childe, The Harbingers that the Traveler dare working together with And it's pretty unique tho :) ✨, not Counting Scara, since he's not an Harbinger anymore, And become Wanderer
i think furina is like an eye of some sort, the archon's way of seeing the outside world. the hydro archon is capable of dividing a small part of herself, and that became furina, kinda like avatar. the real archon is probably staying in the oratrice. furina's eyes reminds me of syaoran in tsubasa chronicle.
I'm always surprised by the sheer gall of the harbingers. "I tried to straight up kill the hydro archon. Anyway, I look forward to working with you later!" Bitch... what?
I was wondering how Childe can say that there is no sanity in every bone of her body using the earlier interactions and considering how she also wants to solve the prophecy. But when she tried to assassinate her.... nvm
There couple theories i have 1. She might not have her powers unlocked 2. She might have a alternative personality to the real hydro archon lock away were the other has vision 3. She prouble ether human or she cursed not using her powers like the traveler
let me explain what i think furina is trying to do, she is actually the real archon because her hair glows just like the other archons but.... shes acting weak to achieve something...
Idk why you’d think that, but I think this is to match Fontaine’s like.. mixing the truth and shit. Like investigative stuff you would see sometimes on tv.
She has a curse and you hear her cry in the water fountain no one would really put a curse on a human if she a no body and why would she call her self the god if she is not one the thing is they have weak god and strong ones she is strong but just scared of slot of stuff snd she is really childish and many thing maybe she has a split personality like how the new water orb work
pov : the girl that childe talked about that said when we are with freminet is actually the hydro archon before she died and she said its not time yet...which means childe might be the hydro archon because i think if childe came to fontainr it would make him the archon and i think if an archon is decided fontaine will be flooded by primordial sea..thats why neuvillette said " im sorry i decline your request , its not time yet " i think the before hydro archon reincarnated or had a form like a whale but so big..then after she reincarnated she tried to make childe the archon by asking a request from neuvillette cause it would destroy fontaine.
So far the prime example we know that fits Arlecchino's perspectives of an Archon aside from Tsaritsa would Sumeru's Archon Kusenali aka Nahida with Raiden Ei being close to that followed by Venti. Zhongli of course formerly held that standard before deciding to retire. Of course these are just her thoughts and it's just her surmising yet it makes me wonder if there is another who is the true Hydro Archon. We of course have yet to see what the Archon of Natlan is like. Lyney was able to see the core of the Oratrice but could not go near it because of the Ingenium created. Is it possible that is where the Gnosis is? Perhaps the Gnosis is what is powering the Oratrice like how the Dendro Gnosis is the source of power for the Akashic Terminals that the people of Sumeru used before its' true purpose was fulfilled. It's rare to meet Fatui Harbingers that are actually decent people with Childe being the first one and now Arlecchino being another of the Harbingers the Traveler can get along with likely thanks to having earned her gratitude for helping her children. Being that the Traveler and The Knave at the moment share the common goal of saving Fontaine from its' prophecy of doom that has ow became reality, they are bound to cooperate down the line.
Fontaine is a nation of drama/theatrical Furina love drama Drama symbolized with two mask with Opposite personality 🎭 Furina is heterochromia with pupils color a complete opposite of the other -> Furina has 2 personality/soul. One is that of Furina, one is that of Focalor
Maybe Furina/Focalors is actually two gods in one, with Furina as the "light" side and Focaors as the "dark" side. Furina wants to save Fontaine from the prophesized flood, whilst Focalors wants to bring about the prophecy to drown Fontaine in a "cleansing" flood. I think it has something to do with "original sin" and their perspective of it. Furina thinks that everyone can be redeemed, whilst Focalors thinks that everyone is past redemption. Maybe that's why Neuvilette "overruled" the Primordial Waters' judgement, since he too believes Focalors to be too extreme in her judgement. Regarding the Oratrice, maybe the gnosis is held within, but the judgement handed out by the Oratrice is affected by *both* Furina and Focalors, hence when the Oratrice handed out odd judgements, Furina is at a loss since she doesn't actually know the reason and need to consult Focalors to get the full story. Since the Oratrice is technically "the Voice of the Archon(s)", Neuvilette, who might or might not know the Furina/Focalors thing, has to follow through on the Oratrice's verdict, even if it seems unfair.
Honestly, I feel like Furina is just VERY super insecure about herself, so she puts off a show for people to no suspect that she is a “good” archon when in truth Furina doesn’t have faith in her skills and lets Neuvi do most of the “ruling” bcz of him being the Water Sovereign. It’s kinda like Nahida in a sense but Furina has even more low esteem, thinking she could never serve Justice as well as her predecessors (Neuvi and Egeria). Furina being an empty puppet just seems “odd” to me, there’s way more that lies to her even if Neuvi seems to be the equivalent.
Furina Theme Extended! th-cam.com/video/yQFEUkb0GmA/w-d-xo.html
Furina Acting like a Child with Neuvilette th-cam.com/video/CWdDqh2T4JQ/w-d-xo.html
If Furina is indeed the real archon, Arlecchino assassinating her would cause a calamity (maybe a flood) as she is divinity. Same way when the God of Salt was killed by her people.
I think the Furina we see is genuinely a normal human/puppet cursed to play the role of the hydro archon while the real deal is in the Oratrice, so killing her would theoretically not do much. It would however create some... problems for Fontaine to say the least.
Why the hell are you spamming comments in every video😂😂😅??
@@Noahhendelson Thats 2 comments in 2 videos. Plus not many people caught on this info. I'd rather state my own case than follow other comments that say the same thing.
@@jessquiatchon2204 the occurence of calamity after killing an archon is not stated yet anywhere in the genshin lore...So we will have to wait I guess...
@@NoahhendelsonActually we have. Egeria the previous Hydro Archon died in the Cataclysm her body turned into the water of amrita.
Wait, is it just me or did the last scene subtly hint that Arlecchino will indeed be playable? That whole "I might have to work with you from time to time": really is a big tease.
@@silverhawkscape2677 yeah, with Childe, our relationship was "it's a secret between you and me." But with Arlecchino, it's pretty much her having an official business deal with us.
she has a pyro vision/ delusion on her nape
She’s confirmed to be pyro pole arm and releasing near the end of 4.0
She does has pyro Vision..not Delusion...so...ya...
@@tehCostHDplease read what you've just written
well, no one would've suspected that the anemo archon was an alcoholic bard either, so really, there's no set guidelines for how an archon acts like
Well, said drunk Anemo archon also saved Mondstadt against tyranny, aristocracy and two corrupted dragons. Furina, as of the moment, does not even come close near Venti's resume.
@@slevangelista4816 I imagine Arlcchino after meeting her "with this goddess we are completely screwed" XD
But seriously even she said that she feels like Furina is cursed, and the moment in which Furina responded with confidence makes me think that there is something that she did to herself or the old water archon did to her to prevent the prophecy. 4.2 It will be very interesting
@@slevangelista4816 Well, we ARE still early in the Archon quest - that's probably to come, similar to how Nahida was always known as the "Lesser Lord" before she took on the full responsibilities as the Archon after Rukkhadevata rewrote history to remove herself from the people's memories
@@slevangelista4816all the Fontainians are water people created by Furina and thats why they disolve when exposed to a lot of primordial water. Crackpot theory
Or that the Geo Archon always found himself in debt, and was constantly asking the traveller for mora. Still waiting for him to pay back the interest he owes me
I'm guessing that Furina gave her powers as the Archon to the Oratrice. Could have a couple of reasons, maybe because she came to the conclusion that Archons are still too human for giving perfect judgement. I mean, Neuvi is sure she is the Archon, could he be wrong? Besides, she is around for like 500 years, there has to be something unnatural about her, right? And of course, the statues in Fontaine do look like her.
Yes and no! Nahida said in 3.2 that Focalors makes the final judgement. So furina and Focalors are two different beings. Focalors is the one in the oratrice
Why is her left eye different.
Does she have another part like another personality
Same theory.
Her Gnosis is in the Oratrice since the people gather their emotions for the verdict, I assume that it's similar to how Gnosis grants power to their wielded in assocation with how much their believers feel about them.
@@kiyopawnSince Neuvi also said that the Usurper took a part of Sovereigns' powers, we can assume that Gnosis are actually those powers but in a sealed form (and from what I remember, the translation of Gnosis from chinese to english is literally god's heart, which further corroborates this).
The Gnosis being inside the Oratrice is perhaps the sole reason Oratrice and Neuvi always had the same judgement.
As for Childe situation, I think that either Egeria, or other Furina did something to the Gnosis, and that Childe's sentence is some sort of "look over there" message.
so its gonna be the same as inazuma and sumeru. the archon we know is not the archon the people used to know. Raiden is a robot, Nahida is a Proxy clone of Rukhadevata. and Furina is only a puppet for Focalor?
Arlechinno after finding out about Furina's nature at the time: oh.... Fontaine is fked
Well guess what😂
I don’t know, certain drunk bard once taught me, you can’t judge a book by its cover….
And a broke funeral parlor also taught me that
@@andrihusainsudraand certain murderous dictator from Inazume also showed me...
@@karolinabuba575 true who knew that Tyrant was a depressed crybaby that also destroyed her own nation XD
@@karolinabuba575 And a junior acrchon who was new to the throne after her predecessor's death
if she and yelan were friends, their intelligence gathering would be sky high
The baddie girlbosses girl-bossing their way through life as per usual.
You know i can totally see this happening with the reason for them even meeting and acquainting one another is Arlechinno being curious on who's the motherfucker who stole Pantalone's gift jacket to the tsaritsa.
Yup
At the very least they should make them friends gameplay wise.
I don't want another Dehya situation where she can't even work with Yelan/Xingqiu. What a scam.
I immediately thought of Yelan as well the moment Arlecchino mentioned intelligence-gathering lol. It would be cool to have an event where they meet and exchange intelligence but for their own different purposes
Before quest: must correct Furina!
After quest: MUST PROTECT FURINA
Furina is so useless and powerless
@@disobey8828you're saying useless people aren't worthy of being cared for?
Attention seekers like her must be let go, the chief justice can do the work.
That's good hoyo manipulates us into pulling for her. It worked for me for Nahida.
@@retired-s5h no shit hoyo wants you to pull for their characters by making them likeable or interesting. Whats the manipulation in that?
Not all archons are the same, Arlecchino should not set expectations and perceive the others to be the same as her Tsaritsa lol. After seeing their interaction and Furina defending the accusation that she's not doing anything vs the prophecy, clearly states that she's more than just that flamboyant, dramatic and "bratty" lady. Theres more to her than meets the eye and i cant wait for her lore on 4.2
Maybe, but even from the foolish Raiden Ei, you feel this sense of awe coming from her. And if you think about it, one can tell Venti and Zhongli got something more to them than it meets the eye, though you can't outright figure it out that they are the Archons. But Furina doesn't act like a God at all and her aura feels so lackluster. You could tell there is more to her than it meets the eyes, but not in the way Venti and Zhongli's mysterious-ness intrigues us. There's definitely something very wrong with her and I do think that she isn't the archon. My theory is that Focalors may have locked away her memories so that her present self wouldn't mess with the plan she has in motion. We definitely saw Mary-Ann do that to herself in the world quest.
Remember, Ayato and Yelan hold hydro visions. We know that the type of vision given out is based on how close the person's personality is to the archons. Definitely secret Furina is playing out a masterplan that no one understands. Not even the Ludex or the current dumb Furina.
@@RKNancy*it's Iudex not Ludex btw but I know why you could get confused
I don't think she meant by personality, more like "Aura" or something plot convenient instinct thing
I mean can you blame her? She's been following an actual working archon of course she will compare the Tsaritsa to the other archon.
She got no aura and charisma…nahida faced higher ranking harbinger plus scaramouche and she was still able to handle it well. Arlecchino presence alone was already able to shake furina to the core.
Having a normal conversation with a harbinger 😂😂.
Arlecchino is Gray Area Character Tho, not Pure Villain
@@dokjakim45 I'm glad. I really like her. Ofc, my fav is Tartaglia but she's kinda cool
@@dokjakim45that what she want you to think
@@noname-lb3sgShe's a Gray character, bro obviously missed the point
@@dokjakim45 She is modeled and reference to Raven from Hi3rd of course she is gonna be a gray character, but there would come a time where we have to fight her.
HOLD UP, what if Furina has two souls in her, and whenever Furina is active, you cant get the gnosis, but only when the other soul is active will the gnosis be in her body
Kinda Yes, kinda no. I think if there is some "other personality", then it should appear to Save Furina during assasination. Like, its primal instinct, do everything to survive. So, I think her gnosis/archon powers/personality is somewhere else (oratrice?)
Isnt the Oratrice powered by the gnosis? Im pretty sure that means its locked somewhere inside of the oratrice like a battery
You just might be right. Furina is the "drunk" personality, while Focalors is the "sober" personality -- sort of like Jekyll and Hyde or Bruce Banner and the Hulk. Also, perhaps the gnosis is not worn outside the body, but is INSIDE her like how Nahida's was. Where inside? WHY are YOU going there?!
That’s probably why the light and dark element are there
( I’m sorry I forgot what they were called I think they mean soul and body)
@@Beep841 Pneuma and Ouisa?
The only way for a Harbinger to become playable and not a wasted potential is to cooperate with the Traveler. It seems that Arlecchino manage to dodge the Signora treatment.
No sh*t tho
Then Dottore stans won’t be happy when he isn’t playable 😡😡😡😡😡 (In a sense though, that logic does make sense. Even tho Scaramouche ended up acting hostile towards us, he did help at the beginning from the 1.1 quest iirc. And Childe is well, Childe.)
Yea she dodged the dull blade of traveller
Hoyo kicking themselves for killing Signora since everyone wanted to pull for her, costing them millions in potential profit. So they're making it up with The Knave.
Who knows but we have to wait. Since HAT GUY confirmed the true of Arlecchino may be we even see french gallows scenes. xd
It’s still interesting that Arlecchino was getting very anxious with furina. She was hitting her with a lot of questions and knowing furina ( has a split personality) I feel like that was her other side talking when they discussed the fate of fontaine since most people are aware, that the primordial sea will sink fontaine and everyone will dissolve. Also I strongly believe Furina’s gnosis is inside the oratrice it would make sense why she possibly kept it there Arlecchino is hands down the best harbinger
Wrong! Ask the Wanderer. Wanderer mentions she is wolf in sheep clothing. People who seen her real are dead. Wait for next archon quests you will see her real.
@@redblue17 Ok? And wanderer is dead wrong lmfao she’s only a wolf in sheep’s clothing to outsiders , only reason why she hasn’t threatened us travelers is because we’re acquainted with Childe & the twins. She’s not a bad person or a good person she has her agenda she wants to achieve which is why she’s the best harbinger hands down.
@@NLGogeta Let's see who will be correct in the archon quests. Every evil person also has agenda. In that case Signora, dottore also had own ambitions, agenda and pure evil are also nice. Her false face will be exposed in further archon quests. lmafo
If you have admiration of a character based on beauty then I can't say any more. Best harbinger? 😅. It's more like a tasty poison. xd
@@redblue17 again I’m not talking about her looks lmfaoo I’m talking about her personality you’re the one basing it off that. Dottore is far more evil then the knave she’s the opposite she’s more anti hero / anti villain everything I’m saying is factual you haven’t proven anything other than “ shE’s a bAd pErSoN “ okay and lmfaoo like I said she’s the best harbinger they introduced.
@@redblue17 so believe what you wanna believe but I know what I’m talking about unlike you 🤡
Furina being so weak and incompetent is kind of genius. I don’t know what the previous hydro archon was cooking, but by leaving Furina weak and in the dark as a figurehead has actually protected her to a degree and made the gnosis much harder to find. She’s essentially a red herring for anyone plotting to get the gnosis, and not worth confronting or being seen as a threat. This might be the hardest the fatui have had to work to even find the gnosis.
Yeah.
Could it be that while the former Hydro archon was fighting in the Cataclysm way back and died, her nation Fontaine, was also facing its battle? Without their archon, Fontaine fell and lost as well. Then, Furina, the current archon was born in Fontaine after Egeria’s passing. She learned that everybody there have died and that she’s all alone. Maybe those were her tears (feelings) that we can still hear in the fountain of Lucine. Out of desperation and love for Fontaine, she revived everyone using the primordial sea waters, as oceanids. Everyone in Fontaine ARE oceanids. Fontainians are elemental beings, that’s why we can harvest their energy via the Oratrice to power the nation. Furina probably was cursed by Celestia for doing so, for interfering with what should have been (reviving the people).Celestia took her divine power and even her consciousness, but she was able to put her gnosis in the oratrice first so she can still guide and be able to fulfill her role as an archon, God of Justice even by means of becoming a machine. The current Furina probably is an empty shell of what Furina used to be, cursed by Celestia for all we know.
Maybe that’s why Mage ‘N’ was the one who introduced her, because she made a change in history for bringing her people back from the dead.
This is my favourite theory by far
They said, she will not go against Celestia, probably because her consciousness is not there at all anymore. I hope the real Furina will come back, though.
Oceanids in human form has blue hair and eyes tho. Look at Idyia.
this is legit a very good theory
all oceanids in human form have blue hair and appear blue when looked at with elemental sight, same can't be said for fontanians
Ah yes, Arlechino reveals that Furina is fake, by expressing her personal theories based on a single example(the Tsaritza)
Truly a solid theory with no holes whatsoever
I think anyone who relies on indoctruniating child soldiers should be viewed skeptically especially with regards to any moral standing.
Like who is she to judge when one of the tsaritsa own fatui...looks at childe...tried to drown liyue.
Furina may be a childish and arrogant but she's smarter than most give her credit for.
It's psychological warfare
@@rushalias8511she is not indoctrinating any children lmao. that was the previous father.
That probably just goes to show how worthy of worship the Tsaritsa is lmao
@@rushalias8511 Furina might not be an idiot but she is in no way smart. She has the mind of a child and is immature af. You dont need to try hard to understand it.
I mean considering Furina’s kit (gameplay wise) has Archon written all over it, I highly doubt she isn’t. Meaning, she’s as cracked as past archons and has the unique Archon trait of having 100% uptime on her skill by having a CD that’s much smaller than the skill duration. That being said, lore wise, there’s something definitely super weird about Furina that we haven’t learned yet. In her official splash art, she is for some reason holding a vision (probably fake) that she hasn’t been holding in the game so far.
She's only holding a vision in her leaked splash art, which isnt official (yet).
It's the same situation like wanderer.
That's like saying 'Wanderer splash art somehow has a vision but Scaramouche doesn't'
Bruh, I imagine someone tryna fake being a vision wielder wouldn't make her casing as unseen as possible lmao
Oh no no 😸 you don't know about the Archon quest leak.
Good let's keep it a surprise....
@@galaxymw9630it's confirmed to be false
Plus, ANYONE can be an archon... A drunk bard (Venti), Someone always in debt (Zhongli), A woman who keeps herself to herself (Raiden Shogun/ Ei - pre Inazuma), and someone not completely an archon (Nahida - until everyone's memory of Rukkhadevata is wiped)
bro they are definitely going to pull off a liyue archon quest childe here
pretends to be friends, backstab, back to buddies
I hope not, but she does seem rather “nice” for now
Scaramouche states her as a "wolf in sheep's clothing", she's obviously acting nice, plus she was educating lyney about acting in the fontaine teaser
Bro it will be boring and lazy to use the same plot
She is the *KNAVE* for a good reason
@@Florent0003 lame tho, still
I prefer her to be fully Villainous comrade tho, it will be unique af
I suspect Furina uses the Gnosis to try to fix Fontaine energy problems. It would also make sense to use that as a way to prevent the disaster.
I like how the cat came back to comfort her
it would make sense for neuvillete to have a concrete link with the hydron archon with his kit being so alike to hydro traveler's (there's even a synergy with the droplets)
He does presumably reclaim the full powers of the Hydro Sovereign in the next archon quest, which includes furina’s powers.
@@banir3736 I didn't stated that he was the hydro archon, I just pointed out the fact that there are many similarities between his kit and hydro mc's like they were between between all the other mc's kits and known archons until now.
I don't have a deep knowledge of the lore and I don't want to assume anything though
I'm honestly starting to think the mc mimics the dragons instead of the archons
@@Eb-sq3jd yeah i think so, considering the dragons are the original wielder of the elements
The traveller archon comparison? Wasn't this debunked like years ago? 🤔
I think Furina IS the hydro archon but something has weakened her, or her power is elsewhere. She has to put on a big show so that people won’t notice, like a magic act.
Well, yeah - looks can be deceiving
Venti/ Barbatos: Drunk Bard
Zhongli/ Rex: Forever in debt
Raiden/Ei: Reclusive because of her strong belief in eternity
Nahida/ Kusanali: Descendant of the original Dendro Archon
Furina/Focalors: Relies on theatrics to keep her calm persona
Knave: "I know how an Archon conducts and carries themselves."
Venti, awakened from a drunken slumber: "HUH? Say what now?"
Wait, since childe looks to be in the primordial sea. A woman voice in the oratrice. Convicting tartaglia of guilty regardless. The archon was stopping the prophecy indeed.
Arlechino is the best thing ever happened to this game
she is a solid character
Idk why im laughing when Arlecchino is mad at and seems tired over the fact that Childe was sent to prison 😂😂
yeaah. me too, so far three harbingers have ridiculed him saying he's bothersome. Signora, Scaramouche, and now Arlechinno.
Well, this scene hits different now after Act V.
1:22 Furina playing with cat is cute
Theres this theory that every gnosis are the power of each sovereign dragon, celestia took it and gave it to the archon to rule each region, furina still is the real hydro archon, and neuvillet is confirmed hydro dragon, after finishing 4.1 archon quest it all make sense now in order to solve the crisis of fontaine. furina needs to step down and give the archon tittle to neuvillet, because neuvillete is more capable of solving the primodial sea water issue in fontaine, he also need the power of hydro gnosis to be able to use his full power as a hydro dragon.
That’s not a theory. Archons are confirmed to have small fragments of the Sovereigns’ power.
But that can never be because the way the story goes, the gnosis will eventually fall into the hands of Fatui one way or the other. The already got the most of them
@@Meestordandan they could always take it afterwards. I mean i doubt they could take it from a fully fledged dragon sovereign with power many times stronger than an archon’s but like
he’d probably give it to them. They want the same thing he does, to topple celestia.
@@elainasynranelt too soon to say. We don’t know what the fatui got. And plus it’s not like they took it by force every time. In fact, it was only once.
Furina doesn't have the Hydro Gnosis tho so she can't give anything to Neuvillette.
Even Lyney found out the Hydro Gnosis is not with Focalors.
I'm so glad we're finally able to talk with the Fatui in a normal and trustworthy fashion after being completely hostile and biased against them for no reason.
Maybe it's just Arlecchino, but they clearly aren't hell-bent on creating chaos for fun. They still care about their respective nations and their feelings are directly tied to them. E.g. Signora despising Venti because of the suffering Monstadt went through because of his lack of presence, Scaramouche now studying about Irminsul because he wants to undo the unfortunate fates like his own, Childe caring for his homeland because they're the only ones who show him kindness, and now Arlecchino who's putting her duties on hold in order to save Fontaine.
Venti was sick (Probably) and had to sleep. Fatuis did some plots that indirectly killed Diluc's father. The Fatuis in Liyue tried to fuck the city with a old god, Signora and Morax was there but a single mistake and the city could go to hell. Scara was selling fake visions that could take a lot of your life and the Fatuis minions tried to blow up a entire island of Inazuma. Scara in Sumeru tried to become a maniac god and murder Nahida. They also make unnecessary approaches in Liyue and Mond. I mean? Makes every single sense. Traveler was beaten by La Signora, then was unable to stop Childe, got beaten by Scara, defeated Signora, beat Scara to the end being one shot by Dottore, the Fatui that basically tortured one of his friends (Collei). The only strange thing here its the way that he acts all friendly with Childe
@itsux_4249 Because most of the time the Fatui is genuinely up to no good you know. Have you even been playing the game
And no the Traveler doesn't do anything on the level of Fatui, like hurting innocent people (they were pretty much responsible for Diluc's father's death, for one)
I mean most of the time the Fatui is up to no good, so no surprise the Traveler is hostile to them
I mean have you forgotten that Signora was antagonistic to them the first time they met for pretty much no reason? Not a very good first impression right there
You literally forgetting Childe story quest☠
“For no reason”.
As yes because Signora attacking Venti and stealing his Gnosis, Childe trying to kill all of Liyue, Signora and Scaramouch giving the people of Inazuma delusions that they know will kill then and Dottore and Scaramouch trapping the people of Sumeru in an endless cycle so that they can create a gods we’re all just misunderstandings.
I think Furina IS the hydro archon, but possibly that there’s something holding her back or blocking her from using her true power. Or maybe it’s something the previous archon did just before she passed?
Only time and the 4.2 patch can tell us the real answer!
And that's something linked to why the prophecy has her sitting alone over a destroyed Fontaine?
My current theory is that Furina is the archon but her power is "split" by the curse. My best guess would be that her godly half and the gnosis are in the Oratrice.
For some reason, it all moves too fast, just as fast as the Inazuma Archon Quest, except we have more time to fill with an extra patch to finish the book. As rumors of Arlecchino being playable arises, it just feels sad we won't have another Harbinger to duel.
My fear was the pacing, and yh it felt like inazuma, I'm a little afraid for the last parts
From the leaks we can see Abyss whale which more troublesome than Fatui affair, it could be Childe make another scene fighting against it with Skirk
Well not all of the Harbingers is evil tho, they have their reasons too, Especially Childe and Arlecchino who's completey gray character and on our side too Indirectly
Not like Dottore or even Signora if i need to say, who's completey Douche...
Let’s not exaggerate. This has nothing like Inazuma’s pacing. Don’t stroke the tears of the whiners.
@@Wolf-vy7etThere was obviously nothing to extend on in this quest. They’re not going to make us spend two patches in meropide and neither were they trying to tease us endlessly about Neuvillette’s identity. This is not Watatsumi 2.0
I wonder why Arlecchino don't have a grudge on Aether for defeating Signora on Inazuma. Aren't she's the only one who " felt pity & care about Signora " during Signora's funeral?🤔
Scara said she is wolf in sheep clothes so she probably was faking that she care
Knave didn't really care about the Fatui itself
@@default2591bruh, the Fatui are her children.
Either way, if she attend to be our enemy, then by far, she is the smartest by far.
She is a wolf in sheep clothing. As usual traveller falls in her honey traps and misses gnosis an everyone can predict this. lol
Don’t tell me Childe is the actual archon 💀
If it real since he meet primodial whale he could be... Nah nah it still speculation
If he is then I’ll max out my childe immediately
@@Wtfmalosame here
Dude how high are you 😂
Childe is the real archon and he will have a new form to wish for. Imaginary element with horns. O wait, thats Dan Heng, my bad😅
Why i felt like the traveler is the 12 of 11 Fatui harbingers
That cat is the true hydro archon
Didn't Childe warned us about Arlecchino being a backstabber at any opportunity that she got? I havent watch this video because im planning to see the cutscene myself.
He did and Scaramouche said the same thing.
I think most of the harbingers are backstabbers.(except childe)
That’s because this is reflected by her Italian Mask. In Italy, Arlecchino is the “cunning servant”, who always speaks the truth with jokes and laughs, and it’s at odds with his master Pantalone (Pierrot), he’s helped by his friend Brighella with his schemes, and he’s in love with Colombina.
This might be dumb but could Childes master be the archon? Could Childe be the actual Hydro Archon without knowing since he did lose his control of his vision? It would be EPIC
We barely know anything about skirk it would make no sense for her to be an archon
ion think childe would be the hydro archon- cuz he's 11th out of the 11 fatui. Only the top 3 r on par with gods, and not the top tier gods, which r archons. It also just seems wrong asf, cuz that means we wouldve seen archon in the liyue nation release of like 2 years ago... also the fact is i dont think that he wouldve just lost to neuvillette during his sailor moon transformation if that were the case
Maybe. But there is also the thing that archon's powers dont sit well with each other. Nahida herself said that the electro gnosis in her hands could bring disaster, and the same logic could be applied to hydro archon and delusions, a power given by tsaritsa
@@Makoy855I think that’s the thing. It’s the fact we hardly know anything about her that we suspect she has a deeper connection to Fontaine. I don’t think her being archon is all that farfetched tbh
@@PalmierBaker he is talking about childe master skirk not childe
She has a vision she's playable lets goooooo
Signora had a vision as well
@@AaronFelizmenio Signora had a delusion and moth witch fire powers not an actual vision.
If Arlecchino fourth-ranked harbinger it says she's close to archon level, no wonder Furina is very scared of her
nah only Capitano Dottore and Columbina are close to archons
@@kylliancx2534 close no they have power comparable to that of gods and dottore was a lot stronger when he met with nahida, nahida had to lie and made a deal with dottore because the knew she couldn't fight him
@@ratkaslana well lets be honest too Nahida is weak and not even a combatant.
@@SaraGon15 yah
@@ratkaslanathere's a massive difference between Gods and archons... the are peasant God's like which kid Shenhe killed there are God's like xiao which are still below mid ranking God's then there's powerful God's like osial who could take all the mid ranking God's of liyue and still be winning... then there's archons who decimated all their competition which is why they were crowned archons...
As for sumeru Rukkhadevata was ridiculously powerful and she had help from Desheret so no one could actually challenge her... as for Nahida she is weak and not a combatant even raiden speaks of how she is powerful in other ways hinting at it not being combat and Dottore only started talking big after putting traveller to sleep with a cheap potion otherwise he would've gotten his cheeks clapped
Lastly let me point out that dottore still fears the power of his archon and she is by no means anywhere close to the strongest... being close to God's in power doesn't mean close to archons... even raiden 1 shotted a pretty powerful God in Orabashi without the use of a gnosis
The archons are the strongest gods(both venti and nahida have weakened significantly combat wise as you would know if you read the lore) with only the sovereigns and the primordial one(who I think is the unknown god) being stronger
But... if Arlecchino is not an enemy and we are already at fifth nation, How are they gonna make us fight the 8 remaining members of the fatui ?
Are we gonna go in more places before snezhnaya ? Are more of the members not gonna fight us ? Are We gonna help the Fatui in the end ?
So many many many questions in me.
what do you guys think ?
Not all of the Fatui are evil by the way, Not everyone is the same as Dottore or even Signora who's completely Douche....
So Far by now, The Only Harbingers that Traveler working together with is Arlecchino and Tartaglia
Easy because we won't fight all of them
@@kyero8724he was an ex, now he's a school student
Snezhnaya is their HQ so i won't be surprised if we will meet most of them there
And judging from leaks (grain of salt) we *might* encounter
at least THREE harbingers on Natlan
@@kyero8724Scaramouche.
Alright, this definitely changes everything. But now I have a crazy theory;
What if the Hydro Gnosis was destroyed?
There’s a theory that when the Sovereign were defeated by Celestia and the humans, Celestia put most of the essence of the Sovereign into the Gnoses, and divided the rest into Visions.
And before you mention Apep, know that his full essence hasn’t been released. Nahida stated that she and Traveller just purged the corrupted side of them, and it’s shown upon its release that it was only a part of Apep as they didn’t return to full physical form and was just spiritual.
Anyways, eventually Focalors gets her hands of the Gnosis and becomes the Archon, and eventually she experiments with the powers of the Gnosis and attempts to use it to power the Oratrice.
Yet something goes horribly wrong, and the Gnosis is destroyed in the process.
And while most of the power of the Gnosis was absorbed by the Oratrice, a portion of it was released, and gave form to Neuvillette.
As a result of the Gnosis being destroyed, Focalors lost her powers and abilities to divinely utilize justice. In addition, she lost her memories of how the Oratrice functioned or how she lost her powers.
And as the Sovereign has now been partially released, the prophecy can now become true.
Because just as the Sovereigns hate Celestia and the Archons, a released Neuvillette would want to destroy Fontaine in revenge.
But the reason he hasn’t done so yet is because he’s not at full power and doesn’t recall everything as the rest of his memories and power make up the Oratrice.
And as for how this would affect the Fatui getting all 7 Gnoses, I can imagine that with Neuvillette’s release that they would intervene and put at least most of his essence back into a new one. That, or the Fatui could put the remaining essence into a new host and use that.
That leak about Focalors being split in half into human Furina and the Oratrice seems really possible now
Arrlechino and childe are like the only harbingers that speak to our character without hostility. We didn't even talk to dottore properly, signora and scaramouche were just too full of themselves. I wonder how capitano, damslette, pulcinella and sandrone will be like.
I wonder.
this whole thing could have been animated like most of the other cutscenes.
Arlecchino is the only fatui where we have a peacefuly conversation without fighting a version later
I would think that furina have double personality? So her double is the one who does all the work, hence she confidently (well, not really) said she have her own plan. But she doesn't know the detail of it. Its probably related to the curse arlecchino talk about?
I dont think there is any hydro archon yet. Furina is the temporary situation.
Neuvillette is known, but he can not expose it. A nation needs a ruler .This reminds me of Alexander the Great as Egeria. Their death is very sudden. Alexander final words "To the strongest"
6:55 YES MOMMY I WOULD LIKE TO
My guess is that the former Hydro Archon sentenced the people to be dissolved using the Gnosis to influence the Primordial Sea, Furina either was struck first or most gravely for this sentence and thus cursed but because of her divinity, she didn´t die, as for Neuvilette, he probably was asked to fulfill her sentence rather than the Oceanids, and when he ultimately refused to sacrifice everyone for their assumed "sins", they chose to leave Fontaine
Can't wait for 11th Harbinger Traveler "Light in the Abyss" or something like that
furina is the hydro archon. but not the archon standard for the knave.
I had a lot of doubts because of internet on the furina question and a lot of people think that she isn't the archon, some times i believe them but a lot of people as well don't do a simple thing: go watch the statue of the hydro archon and you can clearly see the the hair style is the same so why so much people think she isn't the archon, maybe i am missing some piece
Кто бы что не говорил, но Арлекино искренне заботиться о своих детях и стремится остановить угрозу в Фонтейне.
Она также весьма лояльно относится к путешественни(ку/це). Хотя я не отрицаю, что Слуша, вероятно, пытается завербовать нас на свою сторону. Я также заметила, что остаются в живых только те предвестники, которые хорошо относятся к путешественни(ку/це) (верно Синьюра).
Interesting, although I haven't played the archon Quest yet it's getting interesting pretty early. NGL but the Sumeru Archon quest starting was kinda boring for me especially after playing the Chasm quest.
first few parts of sumeru is quite boring indeed but it definitely gets better and my best AQ so far, me cried
Imagine if The Knave tried to take the Gnosis from Furina by force like Signora did to Venti,.....
I wonder if Furina could bleed with the curse on her
Furina is the real hydro archon base from character demo
Now that i think about it why did alercchino say that furina is some how under a curse but what curse do u all think that furina have?
I was like..girl. Your the hydro archon, you could easily drown that btc. Why tf are you on the ground begging for your life?!?!!
I always like to wonder if the more violent harbingers Arlechino and Dottore ever tried doing something like this to Zhongli or Ei. Theyd probably just get ignored or killed lol.
too early to draw conclusions
Man I love how the dialogue in the thumbnail isn't even in the quest, just a way to spoil for people, thanks 👍
She might be slip in 2 and using her other half to make judgements.
The Fontaine 'arc' is just *delicious*
I guess Fatui are the good guys that happen to do wrong things for the greater good of tevyat but i still think the harbingers all have a different motive than the Tsartisa in the end as they all have connections to their own regions.
I feel like the Primordial Sea is the previous Archon. When Neuvillette seals it he mentions “this sentence is too severe” as if he knows the sea personally.
Lmfao neuvillete actually sees the sea as one
What if the hydro gnosis is the first gnosis we gained?
All of this happened because Childe chased for the Whaleussy
Furina is the archon I mean look at the statues. I think something just happened which we don't know yet. Maybe she was really cursed? Or she really has a second personality. Only hoyoverse knows.
How do you know that statue is her? It doesn't even look like furina. It might be egeria
@@MiyuKawasakiSumeru Status is Little Kusanali not Rukhadevata
So, statue of the seven is resembling recent Archon,not Original Archon
@@sayyidash-habussunan Not true, it's probably representing Rukkhadevata in her child form.
@@MiyuKawasakino probably not because de statues were made after de war and a doubt she was a child after wining
@@MiyuKawasakisorry to say this but the hair and facial shape looks like Furina and with Nahida's case, Rukkhadevata did have a child form and that's Nahida so the statues really adopts to the current archon in power
Tsaritsa herself is Chernobog(Sinister side of Belobog).
Bronya
@@ahmadytgaming8812 Bronya herself is Belobog while Ana is Chyornobog.
@@ahmadytgaming8812Bronya Rand? Wow i always think she is the counterpart of Cryo Archon.
I’m starting to believe that the hydro archon is split into 2 entities: Furina and the Oratrice Macanique d’Analyse Cardinale.
Given that Furina was inflicted with some kind of curse as revealed by Arlecchino, and she doesn’t remember anything even before creating the Oratrice, it is quite possible that she used/split her power to create a machine that would accurately carry out justice while also creating an energy source that will most likely be used in some way to combat the crisis, as also mentioned by Arlecchino.
After all, everything about Furina seems to be split: Her appearance, her kit, her personality. It is very possible that the Oratrice is the one in possession of the Hydro Gnosis and thus is possibly the mastermind behind it all. Specially given how Furina confidently says she has been working on a plan, but is unsure as to what the plan even is, almost as if she’s speaking for 2 different entities.
Arlecchino and Childe, The Harbingers that the Traveler dare working together with
And it's pretty unique tho :) ✨, not Counting Scara, since he's not an Harbinger anymore, And become Wanderer
I think The Hydroarchon may have split personality
i think furina is like an eye of some sort, the archon's way of seeing the outside world. the hydro archon is capable of dividing a small part of herself, and that became furina, kinda like avatar. the real archon is probably staying in the oratrice. furina's eyes reminds me of syaoran in tsubasa chronicle.
1:19 Girlie is having fun playing with cat.... Mrrow!!!!!!
I'm always surprised by the sheer gall of the harbingers. "I tried to straight up kill the hydro archon. Anyway, I look forward to working with you later!"
Bitch... what?
1:37 AMOGUS AMOGUS AMOGUS AMOGUS AMGOUS
I was wondering how Childe can say that there is no sanity in every bone of her body using the earlier interactions and considering how she also wants to solve the prophecy. But when she tried to assassinate her.... nvm
There couple theories i have
1. She might not have her powers unlocked
2. She might have a alternative personality to the real hydro archon lock away were the other has vision
3. She prouble ether human or she cursed not using her powers like the traveler
or maybe they are both the archon, the archon may have split her body/soul into 2 giving live to Neuvilette and Furina
Similar to Ei and Mikoto in Inazuma and Rukkhadavata and Nahida in Sumeru?
Arlechino is so smart and stealthy, like V 🎭 i want Furina and Arlecchino in my account 😂
It would be funny if she is hiding her gnosis in her eye and her other personality is a fighter.
let me explain what i think furina is trying to do, she is actually the real archon because her hair glows just like the other archons but.... shes acting weak to achieve something...
When Genshin tries to save on animation budget
All their animation budget goes to Honkai
bro if genshin uses all their budget to cutscenes and more interactive moments my phone gonna die bro 😭😭😭
Phone space limitations
I think it works. If it was a cutscene it'd all be happening too fast to still have Arlecchino's internal monologue over it.
You can't expect every cutscene to be animated. Remember, these games are on mobile, also
I'll pull for you Arlecchino
i hope single picture slides wont become a thing in genshin. thoroughly disappointing to me
Idk why you’d think that, but I think this is to match Fontaine’s like.. mixing the truth and shit. Like investigative stuff you would see sometimes on tv.
She finer than I thought
Okay two things
1. Arlecchino looks really hot in that stealth getup
2. Furina trying to play and chase the cat is hilarious. 😂
She has a curse and you hear her cry in the water fountain no one would really put a curse on a human if she a no body and why would she call her self the god if she is not one the thing is they have weak god and strong ones she is strong but just scared of slot of stuff snd she is really childish and many thing maybe she has a split personality like how the new water orb work
pov : the girl that childe talked about that said when we are with freminet is actually the hydro archon before she died and she said its not time yet...which means childe might be the hydro archon because i think if childe came to fontainr it would make him the archon and i think if an archon is decided fontaine will be flooded by primordial sea..thats why neuvillette said " im sorry i decline your request , its not time yet " i think the before hydro archon reincarnated or had a form like a whale but so big..then after she reincarnated she tried to make childe the archon by asking a request from neuvillette cause it would destroy fontaine.
So far the prime example we know that fits Arlecchino's perspectives of an Archon aside from Tsaritsa would Sumeru's Archon Kusenali aka Nahida with Raiden Ei being close to that followed by Venti. Zhongli of course formerly held that standard before deciding to retire. Of course these are just her thoughts and it's just her surmising yet it makes me wonder if there is another who is the true Hydro Archon. We of course have yet to see what the Archon of Natlan is like.
Lyney was able to see the core of the Oratrice but could not go near it because of the Ingenium created. Is it possible that is where the Gnosis is? Perhaps the Gnosis is what is powering the Oratrice like how the Dendro Gnosis is the source of power for the Akashic Terminals that the people of Sumeru used before its' true purpose was fulfilled.
It's rare to meet Fatui Harbingers that are actually decent people with Childe being the first one and now Arlecchino being another of the Harbingers the Traveler can get along with likely thanks to having earned her gratitude for helping her children. Being that the Traveler and The Knave at the moment share the common goal of saving Fontaine from its' prophecy of doom that has ow became reality, they are bound to cooperate down the line.
Fontaine is a nation of drama/theatrical
Furina love drama
Drama symbolized with two mask with Opposite personality 🎭
Furina is heterochromia with pupils color a complete opposite of the other
-> Furina has 2 personality/soul. One is that of Furina, one is that of Focalor
Wait..lenay is evil?
I wish Yelan was another "secret" fatui like Lyney
she totally could be one of them, and actually in Liyue they don't know almost anything of her
Yelan the hidden 10 harbringer??
I feel so bad for Furina😭
even the cat come back to see if she was fine
Shes weak a disposable a soil how dare she lie in front of fontaine people
I think Furina and Arlecchino should make out idk
Maybe Furina/Focalors is actually two gods in one, with Furina as the "light" side and Focaors as the "dark" side. Furina wants to save Fontaine from the prophesized flood, whilst Focalors wants to bring about the prophecy to drown Fontaine in a "cleansing" flood. I think it has something to do with "original sin" and their perspective of it. Furina thinks that everyone can be redeemed, whilst Focalors thinks that everyone is past redemption. Maybe that's why Neuvilette "overruled" the Primordial Waters' judgement, since he too believes Focalors to be too extreme in her judgement.
Regarding the Oratrice, maybe the gnosis is held within, but the judgement handed out by the Oratrice is affected by *both* Furina and Focalors, hence when the Oratrice handed out odd judgements, Furina is at a loss since she doesn't actually know the reason and need to consult Focalors to get the full story. Since the Oratrice is technically "the Voice of the Archon(s)", Neuvilette, who might or might not know the Furina/Focalors thing, has to follow through on the Oratrice's verdict, even if it seems unfair.
So basically a "Good cop, bad cop" scenario
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Honestly, I feel like Furina is just VERY super insecure about herself, so she puts off a show for people to no suspect that she is a “good” archon when in truth Furina doesn’t have faith in her skills and lets Neuvi do most of the “ruling” bcz of him being the Water Sovereign. It’s kinda like Nahida in a sense but Furina has even more low esteem, thinking she could never serve Justice as well as her predecessors (Neuvi and Egeria). Furina being an empty puppet just seems “odd” to me, there’s way more that lies to her even if Neuvi seems to be the equivalent.
Hence the crying in the fountain?