This longarm changes EVERYTHING! Moxie VS Gallant
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Hi, I’ve just bought a moxie, I’ve bought on price. It’s life changing for me. I can get a quilt on the frame quilted and off in the morning. I really love it. Thanks for your video.
Agreed. I test drove it on Friday (having previously test driven machines at Quilt Festival in Houston from all different brands and sizes). And then sat down and bought it. GAME CHANGER. Regarding your comments on the handlebars. I am 5'2.5" and didn't have a problem. I have a tendency to drive with a single hand anyway, and was able to do that easily. And I found the handlebar controls no problem. Without even glancing at the manual I figured out how to maneuver from Manual to cruise to precise, change speed, stitch length, what have you. Easy peasy. I found it to be very intuitive. A HUGE step up from my current set up which is a juki with grace stitch regulator on the 4.5" hoop frame. AND it still fits in my sewing room. I mostly do crib size up to twin size quilts. Rarely anything larger. I would honestly say that if I had not previously owned a 10 foot frame (even with just a 9 inch throat), I would probably have been totally happy with my juki on the hooop frame. But as they say "you can't go back". I miss the ease of loading I had with the larger frame, and since I usually just floated my batting and tops anyway, the new moxie ticked EVERY box for me. I love to FMQ, and don't need to add a computer, but I will say I don't think the inability to add a computer is permanent. I think they are working on a version of prostitcher or something similar right now. That's the vibe I am getting.
I’m so glad to hear the handle bars worked well for you! And I totally understand wanting the ease of floating tops and batting. It just saves so much time!
I’ll be curious to see if they actually make a pro-stitcher for it. I just don’t see how they could without it costing more than the Moxie itself. It would almost seem more plausible that they would modify a quilt motion system or something along those lines? And then how would early adapters add it since there’s no additional plug in ports? But even still I’d guess the majority of people don’t need or even want a computerized system, particularly at this level.
Anywho, I’m SUPER excited for you and your purchase! This makes me even more anxious to get my hands on one!
@@KatchiVatchi There is a USB port on the moxie. I know you can plug in a light strip to that to power it. So it may be possible to use it somehow. And you may be right. It might not actually be prostitcher. But my guess is that it will utilize that port somehow.
@@KatchiVatchi I just got one for the Gallant. It was on special for 4,999, My dealer works hard to give the best prices out there. He is in Reno, NV and will ship anywhere.
I bought a Moxie today!!! Can't wait to try it out. Should arrive in a few days. My local quilt shop sold it to me for $4,495!!! So, with tax it was just under $4,900. I thought I would have to save for years to make my FMQ dreams come true, yet here we are! They also said they would give me high trade in value if I ever want to upgrade. It's a no-brainer for me to get this machine. I do want to do queen and king quilts, so I will need to save another $500 to get the frame extension. Thank you for this video!
Such a great buy! We are SO excited for you!!
I’m sure you’ll relish all the practice before you get to a queen or king quilting. Small quilts are great practice cause if you start a design and decide you hate it than you’re not committed to a massive quilt, haha.
Happy quilting to you!!
Are you still happy with your Moxie?
@@DiannaAtherton Absolutely! I completely love it. Mind you, this is essentially the only long arm machine I have used. I have made a bunch of quilts on it now and it is going great. Super easy to use, works great. I did get the 2 foot frame extension, but have not put it on yet, so so far, I am only making twin size quilts, 70" x 90" Now the computerized quilting is available on the Moxi too, but it costs more than a new machine with the frame. I'm happy just quilting by hand. And one day I might try a pantograph, but I'm loving it just as it is out of the box. One thing I have added on is couching feet. Couching is really fun!
@@jonseiberlich-wheeler7115 I am so happy for you. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for doing this. Lots of great info which will help me make my decision
I just purchased my wife a frame and machine for long arm quilting I’ve been around commercial tailoring and sewing for 30 years so I’m very knowledgeable about most types and styles of sewing machines. I’ve watched the MOXI videos I understand the marketing I’m just not sold on the “this changes everything” in the quilting world. We are fortunate to have a great dealer nearby to see this machine in person eventually and time will tell.
The biggest change it brings is a decent set up at a decent price. Long term we will see if they pan out but I’d say for sure it’s a step in the right direction. For some reason sewing machines seem to be a good bit behind the tech trends and so this machine will help in closing that gap. The juki 2010 on a grace frame is dated to say the least and that’s the closest in price point. So for current tech and stitch regulation at a good price it’s most definitely going to attract some attention. And this tech isn’t revolutionary by any means, but it comes $2000 less than its predecessor which is what makes it “revolutionary”, not necessarily the actual output of the product. That’s just my take on it though.
Thanks for your honest opinion! I am in the market for a longarm machine for small projects and your review was so refreshing! I will be checking the Moxie out at a local quilt show next month. I already played with it once and was pretty impressed.
Thank you for your wonderful video. I’ve been shopping for a long arm for months. This helps so much!
You are so welcome!
You gave me some things to think about. (Handle ergonomics, workspace for block on point, etc.) Thanks.
Glad to help!
Thanks, I am looking at the Moxie seriously and you helped alot!
Glad I could help! Let me know if you get it!
Would be interested in a follow-up review on Moxie versus the new Moxie XL
Thanks for this information.
You are so welcome! Glad to help!
Love your info! I was just comparing the two. Just a week ago I took the Simply Sixteen for a test drive and loved it. I was looking on HQs Longarm comparison chart. There is something called an “Easy-Tension” which the Moxie does not have and Simply Sixteen is marked ‘available’. Is this feature important? I read about tension problems no matter if it’s a sewing machine or Longarm. Your review is very much appreciated! I would like to see a follow up review from you after you get to try one out in November!
Easy tension doesn't make a big difference for most people. It assigns a number to your tension which isn't that helpful. It just gives you a ballpark of around where you'd want your tension set, you'll still then have to make adjustments. And for it to matter you'll have to take meticulous notes such as each quilt recording what thread, batting, material type and tension number so that if you ever use that same combo again you'd be able to reference that number. I certainly wouldn't put it on a required list. Hope that helps! And thanks for the suggestion, I'm pretty excited to get my hands on one too!
I was able to test drive the Moxie and the Simply Sixteen. The Sixteen won me over hands down. Much smoother for my 5'1'' frame. Only 2K difference....
Awesome! That's so exciting. Thanks for sharing! 😄👍
FYI, Handi Quilter has shared there is an option for an 8 foot frame that expands to a 10 foot frame for the Moxie.
Yup! Thanks!
Thanks for the information and your honest opinions. I am going to purchase a Handiquilter this month. I feel torn between Moxie and Simply Sixteen. Any thoughts now that we are 2 years in? How are you feeling about ProStitcher Lite?
Now the Pro Stitcher Lite is available for Gallant, Cornet and the Moxie. I just got mine after quilting 3 quilts without it. I don't have much room so went with the Gallant and a great price for the whole system. But having some issues with the PSLite. Was hoping you would know about it. Maybe soon. Gallant handle bars are tilted some.
I have a Tiara, and do not like pushing the quilt around on the table. I have a bad neck and it is too hard on me. I just ordered a Q Zone Hoop Frame. I am going to mount the Tiara on it. I am strictly quilting for fun, family and friends. The Tiara is a good machine and since I already have it, I do not want to buy another. I don't think it will bother me to move the quilt on the hoop frame, and I don't do huge quilts, yet. Maybe someday I will upgrade. I will say, however, that getting this frame has been a very bad experience. The people at Grace Frame, and the dealer I ordered thru, don't seem to know what they are talking about. I made lots of calls and asked lots of questions. I got many different answers on whether my Tiara would fit on it. First they said no, but no one could say why. It is within the required measurements. We went round and round on it. I was ready to cry and just throw my hands in the air. I had trouble with them also on the carriage. Some told me I had to order the carriage top that the machine sits on, at an extra cost. Some said it came with it. The website shows it with it. Finally I think they realized that I was having a really bad experience, and they are sending me the carriage top and extender handles free. The dealer is sending the frame. I don't think I will ever deal with that company again. If I ever upgrade, I will go elsewhere.
Oh I’m so sorry that’s been your experience, I believe that you can get a coronet frame and carriage to turn your tiara into a coronet, although you’d probably be better off getting it all through handi quilter bc they produce them and know all the parts whereas Babylock would be calling handi quilter to get them. But more importantly I’d go with who ever is the nicer and more knowledgeable in your area. Though that’s what I’d do if you find this system doesn’t fit your needs, I hope for your sake it does after all this effort. Grace frame company is such a known name I just wish they could deliver a better product and service to their customers.
@@KatchiVatchi It sounded like, thru the course of your video, that you felt that the Grace frames do not hold the quilt taught enough, but Leah Day says they should not be too taught. What are your thoughts on that? Obviously, I am new at longarming.
Your quilt should not be very taught, you should be able to pinch it without a problem if you reach one of your hands under and push up then pinch from the top with your other hand( if that makes sense, I hope). I found that just the weight of the materials was too much on their older frames to hold it even loosely. That’s an entirely different system from what you’re trying though, yours clamps the quilt much more like the coronet and tends to be more functional. ☺️🤞
@@KatchiVatchi Okay, thank you so much. I don't have much knowledge in this area and I appreciate your expertise. I hope I like this frame and I hope they send the right thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you.
This is awful timely! Thank you!!
You are so welcome!
I'd be interested in an update after you have used the Moxie and what you think. I tested one and the Simple Sixteen. The dealer kept directing me to a larger used machine, but I just don't have room for the larger frame. I have considered both of the machines you compared, so was wondering if you had more to share on the Moxie. How do these compare to a Qnique?
Unfortunately my local stores have yet to get in either of these machines for me to be able to put my hands on one. (That and I just had a baby so we’re not venturing out for much bc of the risk of COVID in these times). Q’nique makes a decent machine, and uses a Grace Frame which only recently has upgraded to a comparable system for the frame. It comes down to customer service for me personally which would make me go with handi quilter or Babylock but qnique is by no means a bad machine.
@@KatchiVatchi thank you!
Did you ever manage to get to try one in the end? I am super curious! :)
Oh geeze. Still haven't. They haven't been in any of the stores we have visited recently.
@@KatchiVatchi no worries... i am starting this long arm journey now ... so I will keep an eye on your site for updates! :)
I have been looking at the HQ Amara, because of its adjustable handles, which can be adjusted to be ergonomically comfortable. (I have FM) Based on the one hour HQ video of the Moxie, it doesn’t seem like those handles are adjustable. Have you tried both and how do you think they compare?
I do like that the Moxie is less than half the price.
Also, if doing a quilt with 12” blocks, it seems like it might be extremely annoying to not be able to quilt around the entire block, before advancing the quilt. They said throat space ends up abt 11” after all the rollers, etc. on the Moxie. What are your thoughts on this?
Also, it’s been a month, so wondering if you got your hands on one and will do a follow up video?
And, so do you mean HQ makes the machines for the Babylock brand? Or is there a third party that makes them for both?
I can’t wait to hear your experience and input on these machines. Thank you so much. I wail subscribe.
PS: Is this new table height adjustable enough to make it a stand up machine?
Hi! I’m so excited for you that you’re in the market for a longarm! It’s really such a delightful thing to treat yourself to!
Unfortunately my local shops both HandiQuilter and Babylock don’t have one to try out yet. ☹️ I have talked to a few people who did manage to get their hands on one and have said that it is a wonderfully smooth quilting experience. Potentially even superior to to Simply 16. The handles can be adjusted up or down but not turned into micro handles like on the Amara or Regalia. This is a nice thing to have but only you can decide if it’s worth $5k+ (the needle laser, lighted bobbin area, extra throat space, and lock stitch option are all probably things I’d appreciate having on a more regular basis than the micro handles). However with FM you may find it to be a deal breaker, for most people the micro handle position is used when doing ruler quilting or micro quilting so it allows you to rest your wrists on the front roll bar for added stability, if you like either of those styles of quilting the handles adjusting may be worth it. I love ruler quilting and tolerate micro quilting, that being said, both can be done without being able to adjust it will potentially just cause more fatigue and or have a slightly higher learning curve.
As for the quilt-able area being slightly smaller that once more will be personal preference. If you want to do edge to edge designs mostly it probably wouldn’t be a big deal for you. However if you like a lot of stitch in the ditch, echo quilting and block by block quilting I would definitely say bigger is better bc rolling back and forth will get old pretty quick and is rather inefficient. The frame though is really quite a nice option as it helps in keeping the price down. I had quite a few customers who upgraded their simply 16 to a large frame and that left them with the same quilt space as the moxie but with an $8-9k price. Every one who did this was primarily doing edge to edge work for sure though. And you can definitely make it for sitting or standing, though that’s not a transition you’d be making every day. I’d typically recommend setting it up for standing and getting a good rolling saddle stool or armless chair that adjusts to bar stool height so you can still sit to quilt when you want.
And lastly, we do hope to do a follow up video though I am afraid it won’t be any time in the next month at least. Partly bc no shop near me has one and partly bc we are expecting to have a newborn any day now and with the current state of things we won’t be going out.
I hope all this helps and would love to know what you end up with!!
@@KatchiVatchi Thank you so much for taking the time to answer all my questions; you really have been a huge help!
So, what is the difference between handles that can be adjusted up or down but not turned into micro handles like on the Amara or Regalia? Is it just a matter of the regular handles reach down lower? Or is there an additional kind of handle?
I watched the assembly instructions on the BILT app to make sure; it seems like there are fixed tabs that stick out and are screwed down when installing the Moxxie handles; they seem to be fixed in place once installed.
I’m trying to remember; I test drove the Amara about a year and a half ago at a quilt show, and the dealer turned the handles down so I could do as you mentioned: Rest my wrists on the roll bar and it was great! I don’t remember what micro handles are; is there a difference? I thought it was just a matter of turning the handles down, and that felt most comfortable to me. Holding my arms stretched out in front of me for more than a cpl minutes is very fatiguing and will cause a lot of pain. There is no point in getting a quilting machine if I can’t use it.
I wd like to do ruler work, detail work and block by block, echo quilting, stitch in the ditch, all kinds of stuff. I’m not big on the look of stippling and while occasionally I might do some edge to edge, it’s not really what I am going for.
I was also disappointed to learn that the thread break and near empty bobbin alerts are not available on the Moxie bc it drives me nuts when I am sewing and run out of thread and don’t realize it. The lock stitch would be more convenient. The bobbin light would be a nice feature when you’re leaning under there trying to clean, oil, and insert a new bobbin; but I suppose a flashlight would also work.
Still $5k + for these features seems over the top.
As you suggested, she had it set for standing height, and then used a special height adjustable chair/stool so you Cd switch back and forth btwn sitting or standing. It was awesome!
While I was at the quilt show, I tried every kind of quilting machine the different vendors had there, and I was NOT impressed with the other brands; they all felt like a jackhammer when running and that vibration traveled up my arms and bothered me right away. I also tried a sit down version and have done FMQ on my regular machine in the past: Same result; it’s very fatiguing to have to wrestle the quilt around under the needle. I won’t be able to do that.
The Amara was so smooth and fun to use. I have never had so much fun in my whole life!
I am wondering if the Moxie is just as smooth? It sounded a lot loader in the videos, but that could be because the camera was close and picking up the sound.
I have been delayed in my purchase due to several disasters at my apartment. The dealer assured me you DON’T want to move it once it’s set up! But with Covid, I have been unable to relocate. Am in a hotel, right now, while repairs are being done on the latest disaster.
Also, she said the Amara machine itself, not counting frame, weighs about 100 lbs. it seems the Moxie is much lighter. They said it was light weight and when they moved it onto the frame, it didn’t look like they were struggling. I tried to google Moxie’s weight and didnt find anything. I cannot lift 100 lbs, for obvious reasons. I sure would like to save $5k. But again, that won’t help me if I can’t use it. I appreciate your experience.
And congratulations on the coming new baby!
Boy or girl? I sure hope your delivery goes smooth!
Oh goodness, living in a hotel for any length of time isn’t fun. I hope they’re able to complete your repairs in a timely manner. I hate that for you, especially right around the holidays!
I realize also I missed answering your question about who makes the machines. Handy Quilter actually manufactures the machines in Utah, so they are built and assembled in the US (which I love) only sourcing certain parts from abroad due to higher quality actually. And they make the long arms for Babylock (and some of the long arms for Janome as well, though Janome has their more “economy” builds which I don’t find as enjoyable overall).
If lifting or moving is a big concern I would look into whether your local shop has a technician that can come service it at your home or if you have to bring it in. That how whether your local dealers match pricing between the two brand would be more of a deciding factor for me than the actual machines per say since you can guarantee the quality either way.
The adjustments to the handles up or down are more for how high you’ll be holding your hands and once installed, you are correct it’s stationary but at least you can choose the height which isn’t an option on some other brands. The micro handle is just it folding down to rest your wrist, for older machines it was a separate $500 attachment.
And for weight there are pros and cons. Though I don’t know the weight for sure on the Moxie I imagine it’s close to the weight of the simply 16 machine head which is around 50lbs. The Amara is actually 65lbs just the head, so it definitely is a bit more, though none of them are convenient to lift. The benefit of added weight is reduced vibration which can lead to fatigue bc you often end up over compensating by gripping harder even though it’s really not necessary. The vibration you feel in the handles on the smaller machines isn’t translating to the needle but bc we feel it we often feel we need to try to control or more or hold on tighter. The lighter weight machines are so nice if you’re doing more detailed work b you’re not pushing as much weight, they really do glide beautifully across the frames. Either way though in the 10years since I started they improved the frames DRASTICALLY when they went to the current v shaped tracks for the wheels and 8 wheels instead of 4. This makes pushing the machines across the frames so much smoother and easier.
It would probably be worth waiting until you could try one out bc it could be that the lighter weight aspect outshines the ease of the microhandles on an amara. Or if could be that more vibration would be troublesome and the amara may wind up a clear winner for you. 🤷♀️If there is an opportunity to wait and test drive it in your case I think it would be worth it. And hopefully you’d be settled back into your home by then too. ☺️🤞
Thank you for the well wishes! We waited to find out so we won’t know what baby is until he/she arrives. Truly we will be delighted either way! ❤️
@@KatchiVatchi Thank you again! You really have shed so much light on this quandary of mine! (The weight was in case I have to relocate. The dealer said she wd set it up ONCE, 😂. If I move, it’s on me!)
And as far as the baby goes, I can see where it’s nice to know for planning purposes, but if I were expecting, I’d want to wait and be surprised, too!
Please let us know, when you find out! 👶 🍼
Thinking about this but I would have to give up my tiara 2 but I need to really look into this
I’d definitely say try one out if you’re used to and enjoy free motion on a sit down. Some people prefer that to quilting on a frame and it would stink to wind up wishing for your tiara. You could potentially upgrade your tiara to a simply 16 frame and carriage or Moxie frame and carriage though also! To me it would be worth comparing the cost difference there.
@@KatchiVatchi thanks I do plan to try out, I wastold by babylock that tiara2 couldn't be put on frame, b ut ill check again, my local dealer really isn't Sry helpful
Soooooo.... Are you going to get one? If so which one?
You only have to oil the bobbin hook on the Baby Lock Gallant.
I remember about ten years ago Young Chang came out with cheap grand pianos and people were all over them. Ten years later no one has them or wants them. They looked the part but they were just pretty pieces of furniture. Look at how many machines have come and gone and quickly. I think for the money I’d rather go with something tried and true.
Potentially that could happen, however in my experience long arms tend to stick around, most don’t sell them unless upgrading. Handi quilters in particular hold their value quite well and the $7000 15 year old machines go for around $4000-$5000 when you can find them. I’d say that’s pretty good. So even if tech outdated these and they resell 5 years from now for $3000 or so it’s better than most tech in other industries. A 5 year old laptop will rarely go for even half what was paid. The cheap options in this category is a grace frame with a straight stitch sewing machine and that’s more like what you’d be referring to. Those are not going to resell well nor will people use or really be satisfied with them. The Moxie or Gallant however is very likely to stick around for some time.
I'm looking for an update. Now that it's been about a year, what do you think?
I would say it’s by far the best option to get your feet wet and see if you like longarming as a hobby and or will stick with it/quilt enough to justify something more. If you’re turning out one quilt every month to two this is probably all you’ll ever need. If you make 5+ quilts a month this will satisfy for a few years until ideally you’d have room for something more in your budget. Overall, not quite as smooth but more than functional for the price.
Does the baby lock gallant have a stitch regulator?
Yes ma’am it does!
. i tested the Moxie and Simply Sixteen. The vibration on both machines was extremely distracting and annoying. i wouldn't give "five grand" for either.
What Longarm brand and model do you use?
I currently use the baby lock regalia and prostitcher and love it! We actually have another video coming out soon where we use that.
@@KatchiVatchi Wow! The Baby Lock Regalia is very nice! Torn on the HQ and Baby Lock. I do have a great Baby Lock Dealer, which is where I purchased my sewing machine. Free classes, free help, all in person. Also, great kid classes. I found the HQ store not as personable. But that is here in Colorado. I’m sure people can chime in and say differently or the same depending where they live. Thank you for your video!
Yeah we always say buy from who you like. Support is a very big deal with long arms and I would definitely have someone set it up for you. The baby locks long arms are actually the same machines shot for shot. So unless you are getting the biggest HQ that BL doesn't carry, its going to be about who is a better trainer and then maybe whi will give you the better deal. And always ask what they can bundle in btw!
Talk talk talk....but your not actually have experience on the machine, have you...