@@ericpisch2732 correct. HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneous current needed for acceleration. These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms. In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev. And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all those systems need to go somewhere in the car. Then there is the infrastructure issue.
@@nordic5490 with enough research and investing going into FC cars i actually see a market for them. There hasnt been big innovations with FC cars and the reason for this is the lack of funding. Hydrogrn makes a lot of sense for trucks oder airplanes and if those things are coming i am sure cars will come too
If i remember correctly this car has a button on the dash to release the water when ever you want, so if releasing water to driveway bothers you so much, just do it before. edit: the button can be seen at 3:52 above the vent, saying H2O
@@RealNameNeverUsed Heh, just pipe it to windshield wiper fluid tank. Im not sure why they dont immediately drip it out from the rear of the car, and choose to store it for bigger release. alternatively do what fridges do, and pipe it to cool something. (at least my fridge pipes condensation water to a tank next to the hot compressor, and it then gets evaporated while cooling the compressor a bit) edit: if you need to know exactly how this works, fridge has like V shape at the rear, on the inside of the fridge, that pipes condensation to a tine hole.that then goes to a pipe, and what i have seen commonly, the condensation just sits on a bucket, that is cooling the compressor, sits right next to it, mine is a bucket, specifically designed to surround the compressor , or more commonly for getting rid of this water. bet they did a lot of testing if it was possible for that bucket to overflow, nope. has never happened for me. if you have absolutely horrible water/air density, and see your fridge leaking water you can plug it in your fridge to have all the water inside the fridge. if it is plugged you see water in bottom of any fridge.
When this technology matures a bit and hopefully more filling stations are added, it's definitely a much more progressive change from I.C.E. cars to Hydrogen. It doesn't feel like a weird move away. No need for silly power points or having to wait 'hours' to charge. I'd love it
Its been on the market 10 years ? I cant find a 2nd hand one for sale in the UK , Why is that ? I've seen 1 in those 10 years. Is it really a success? look up the lifespan of the fuel tanks
Eva aren't that bad anymore, sub-3 min to fast charge but yes it will take hours at home but people do it while they are sleeping. Hybrid cars are the more practical car right now
The weird thing about hydrogen is it can run an electric car via fuel cell but you can also use it in an internal combustion engine with a few tweaks. Also is hybrid ICE and electric car
but since hydrogen has the tiniest atom size, its very hard to make the ice engine leak proof and plus it doesnt burn with a visible flame, it has a barely visible blue flame so its very hazardous that way to use it, thats one of the many possible reasons why they are using fuel cell, otherwise combustion of hydrogen gives a lot more energy than using the fuel cell way...
@@tanayvaishnav3888 "combustion of hydrogen gives a lot more energy" Well it certainly wastes a lot more energy. Hydrogen combustion cars are very inefficient compared to hydrogen fuel cell cars, which are themselves very inefficient compared to EVs.
The problem is, building hydrogen fuel stations is more complicated, and more expensive, than petrol/gasoline stations. And normal fueling stations are more complicated and expensive than building out an EV charging network. I mean, you can "refuel" an EV in your own garage quite easily. It's hard to imagine hydrogen fuel cells having much of a future, without some rather major tech break throughs. I guess time will tell.
@@ahmedabdelkader2141 Thats not true making the EV battery is not good for the environment, the UK don't main source of electricity is not renewable source making inefficient. also EVs lose range quickly in hot and cold weathers and the battery degrades over time not good.
I've looked at that car online before and seriously considered it being my next car, right up until I found out I would have to drive 1500 miles to get it filled up
@@xpengfangirl7942 yeah look at Norway, the most green transport fleet in the world, they are building loads of them, oh wait, no they shut them all after one exploded
7:50 - I've never had a car that does it differently and I dislike it being the way you say you'd like it to be; All in one spot. The trip meter and the odometer are settings I don't want to risk touching by accident and thus having them separated from the controls I touch all the time makes perfect sense.
I'm gonna say it, Hydrogen still has potential in the auto industry, primarily in the commercial sector and for pickup trucks maybe. I mean hydrogen is just so much better for long haul semi-trucks than electric which is better for civilians
Only if it is ‘green’ hydrogen produced from water with 100% renewable electricity. ‘Blue’ hydrogen from natural gas has a bigger CO2 footprint than just burning the gas in a home boiler or in a power station. The reliance on supply chains and complicated infrastructure is also a major downside. Maybe if Toyota committed to building infrastructure in the way Tesla built their network of chargers we’d have more enthusiasm for hydrogen...or maybe not
@@harrypsaunders It's a bit difficult to imagine that being practical, no matter how good your tech is an IC engine will be far less efficient than a fuel cell and loses most of the advantages of using hydrogen in the first place. But they must have their reasons.
I’m from Los Angeles, and we actually have pretty decent hydrogen fuel infrastructure and it’s pretty much a max of like 10-15 miles between stations in my specific area. So, this car is pretty much devoid of downsides for me. I honestly think I may buy it, because I’m getting really concerned about my carbon emissions since I currently drive a challenger SRT which is shitting itself rn since it’s relatively old and I’ve put about 160k miles on it (I do a LOT of driving because it’s basically my therapy at this point).
I hear you on the driving as therapy, the open road can really clear the mind! If reducing emissions is your goal, you should know hydrogen in the US is mainly made from Methane / fracked Natural Gas. It can be made from electricity, and that electricity can be green / renewable, but, it takes 3x more electricity to move the Mirai than is does to move a battery electric, so, it's quite wasteful if powered by electricity, (which, it generally isn't, it's usually powereded by fossil fuels, mostly methane) - the CO2 emissions of FCEV are hight compared to EVs, and often higher than diesel or even gasoline. I swung through LA on my Canada / US EV road trip, after driving from Vancouver to Austin.
@@user-pn3im5sm7k 2017, I had to replace the clutch at one point a little unexpectedly but other than that no. Nothing has broken or worn out sooner than it was expected to, all maintenance and part replacements have been pretty on schedule up until recently. I’ve had to start changing oil more frequently and it’s getting worse gas mileage so I think the engine is starting to crap out and I’m probably gonna get something new.
@@brushlessmotoring I’m kind of betting on Japan in that vein. The Japanese car companies are starting to put a lot into hydrogen and expanding global production and shipping infrastructure as well as green production of hydrogen. Assuming the Mirai has the longevity of other Toyotas I expect to be driving it into the mid 30s, additionally it fits my lifestyle far better than most BEV’s which is going to be the key to fostering gasoline alternatives in general. BEV’s just don’t fit everyone’s lifestyle and use case for multiple reasons and so it’s been a growing idea recently that we will need multiple sustainable vehicle propulsion technologies in play at once in order to remove out reliance on fossil fuels. The main 2 current contenders being BEV’s and FCEV’s, but a lot of institutions estimate we’d need 3-4 different technologies to fill all necessary niches in the transportation sector.
Ooo this looks far more conventional/better than the old model, which looked rather bizarre :). I can't wait to see other makers like BMW release their own hydrogen models :). And that title though 😆. Nice content :)
They are not financially viable, in a perfect system the fuel costs 5x that of putting the electricity into a BEV. One of the hydrogen stations in Norway blew up.
Until there's a cost effective way of producing hydrogen, it will never happen. Electrolysis of water and steam reforming (reacting hydrocarbons/fossil fuels with water to produce hydrogen) are both energy intensive AND burn a lot of fossil fuels to achieve.
A hydrogen powered car *is* an electric car. It substitutes a hydrogen fuel cell for a drive battery. It does still have a small battery in the drive train, but that acts a buffer.
can see countries like uk and EU countries not taking this one because they're investing so much in EV infrastructure they'll want to move forward with that
Matt, you didn’t mention one of the main advantages of a fuel cell car is that you can fill it up in minutes, like a petrol powered car. You don’t have to wait ages as you do in an electric car.
If I'm not mistaken, the hydrogen station has to build up pressure again after refuelling which could mean that you have to wait 20 minutes before you can start filling up your car. A Tesla supercharger will recharge a car in the same time.
Refuelling time would be an advantage if a big refuelling network were available but for most people for most trips they never have to wait to refuel their electric car - it starts full every day
The Hyundai Tucson has a jump start function for when the 12V battery runs down due to the car sitting idle during a Covid lockdown etc. Good to see Toyota have the same thinking.
I really have a soft spot for the Mirai and Clarity fuel cells, they strike me as ideal comfortable long-distance cars, but I understand the filling infrastructure is just an absolute nightmare to deal with. I was thinking during this video that it would be nice to have a hydrogen plug-in hybrid, something with ~100 miles of plug-in range but then another 200-250 miles of hydrogen on board more as a range extender. Seems like a smart application for a plug-in hybrid since every fuel cell is already a hybrid and hydrogen fuelling can leave you stranded but finding a plug isn't as hard.
@@chappy2121 it's the production of hydrogen which is the main issue: it either uses natural gas and there are questionable carbon capturing claims, or uses a lot of electricity for electrolysis.
@@andys844 yeah that's the issue. We'll never ever get away from the carbon issue though I don't think. That new e10 fuel is supposed to save 750k Tons of c02 per year, my mate had a pipe blow on a fridge plant last year half a ton of refrigerant yet 782k tons of c02 in approx 1min. Yet the ecos still demonise engines. Weird 🤔
@@Has7DCT The sticker price is way too high, but considering all the government incentives and $20k cashback from Toyota, it was the best deal I ever got for a car.
@@dr.vishantpriyadarshi7050 Toyota gives you debit card with $15k for hydrogen. So, until you spend this money is free driving. If you have to pay from your pocket, is more expensive than gasoline car. About $90 cost the full tank of hydrogen and last for up to 400 miles but in real life about 300 miles.
True Green Hybrid SUV: 15kw plugin battery (>110km range) with efficient regenerative breaking, ultra high capacity >1.5kw solar top on roof & bonnet and small hydrogen 4kg tank (>350km range) for light-weight & cost-effective green hybrid FCEV (>600km range) under $25k or ₹200k..!!
Does it have a “wee” button so you can evacuate its bladder at will? In winter you wouldn’t want to have a sheet of ice in the driveway from your incontinent car.
“Meaty enough when you’re going quicker” Wish Mat was like Arun because that was the perfect time to pull a “that’s what she said”. Still love Mat’s natural charm doe,unlike no other.❤️
I keep considering one, I have a 180 mile a day commute and there are loads of hydrogen filling stations around my work. An EV the time to charge would be a major pain for me. I have other cars so I wouldn’t need this aside from working and the incentives here in the US knock almost 32% off the price of the car AND they give you another $15,000 in fuel credit.
@@logitech4873 I sit on the freeway with millions who do it every day… I know the pro EV crowd does not care about anyone else but themselves but million of people have HUGE commutes in the US, especially California.
@@alexsystems2001 Sounds like a true car hell. I don't understand how you can deal with work days that long. How many years have you spent on that road? Scary. The average American commutes ~40 miles per day, which is already absurd, but you apparently commute almost 5x that amount? I don't understand how you find it acceptable to waste so much of your life like that. It just sounds absolutely insufferable. Where I live, the average commute is 23km (14 miles)
the thing is ev needs time to charge, but it won't take that much time at all, we just need to build more hydrogen stations and the car is ready to boom!
@@karankhatana9528 from what i know, the hydrogen car is a bit more expensive and a bit hard to fill it up if theres like one or two fuel stations for hydrogen cars.
@@vehielphantom4116 yea it's honestly pointless, you don't get the convenience of gas stations every 10 miles and the assurance that if your car breaks down any local mechanic can fix it, you don't get the performance you get from electric cars nor is the operating cost anywhere as cheap as electric cars, and on top of that did I mention you're literally sitting on top of enough hydrogen to blow up a sub surban house. It's literally the worst of both worlds
Some facts around hydrogen: - Hydrogen Hyundais in Korea are 50% subsidizes to compete - You need 3 times more energy per mile compared to EVs - You refuel with 700bar, some countries operate hydrogen stations with „aerospace standards“ to prevent blowups
You omitted to mention that hydrogen fuel cells are manufactured using platinum, and that the cell degrades over time, and will require either replacement or refurbishment during it's working life...... And hydrogen won't ever be cheap. Expect it to cost more than gas/petrol.......
I wish hydrogen was winning between BEVs and HBEV seen as they improve air quality as they drive... I do think people are missing the point of hydrogen with the range, it's the refueling almost as fast as petrol... at the same price with no emissions just harmless water ...
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Wow. Mat's hard work is paying off quite well. Couldn't help but notice the z fold he's been using for quite sometimes isn't just a normal one...but actually a thom browne edition. Keep up the great work Mat..👌 Hard work truly pays
@@jonathanfields4ever correct. HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneos current needed for acceleration. These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms. In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev. And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all thise systems need to go somewhere in the car. Then there is the infrastructure issue.
@@ImtheIC Heres a tip, dont call other peoples facts for "trash talk" when you yourself got no clue what youre talking about. Youre seriously ignorant if you think it takes 5 hours to charge an electric car, it hasnt taken 5 hours to charge one for over 10 years. Heres some more facts for you. 1. Hydrogen stations costs 40 times more to build than charging stations. 2. Producing hydrogen is worse for environment than producing petrol and diesel while being extremely expensive to produce. 3. Filling the car up costs as much if not more than filling up a petrol or diesel vehicle while electricity costs 10 times less than petrol and diesel. 4. Hydrogen still has to be transported with trucks like diesel and petrol while electricity dont. 5. The car itself is to expensive for what it gets you, its not as quick as pretty much every other EV in its price class, even petrol and diesel cars in its price class is quicker than it. 6. Its got less interior space, rear seats cant be folded down because of the tanks, it also has a transmission tunnel because of the tanks. 7. The fuel cell takes up all the space in the frunk which couldve been used for storage. You dont have to be a genius to understand why FCEVs are worse than BEVs in every single area.
@@TheGamingNorwegian Lmao 3rd troll kiddo. You just wrote this big reply to defend sh#t? I don't even read 10% of your bs. Where have you seen hydrogen station 40 times more cost? Fairy tail kiddo. Producing hydrogen doesn't emit green house gases which are the main reason of climate change. Read the video again child, with pre fund, it's almost similar to ICE cars. And stop telling patrol all the time illiterate kiddo. ICE refers all kind of fossil fuels i.e diesel, cng, lpg, octane. To transport electricity, country need way costlier infrastructure. Kindergarten boy
Produce a car that has 0 advantages over an EV is what they do. You know how filling up works? With a few cars in line you gonna wait very long. But go ahead, put your money where your mouth is.
@@vanvan143 Didn't people have the same problem with electric cars at the beginning? In my town there are only 2 parking slots with a charger, and people are fighting for it, we literally had to call the police because the people were so stuck up and selfish, also, I don't where you got "a car that has 0 advantages over an EV" from, because it Does have advantages. But go ahead, go put your money into a Tesla that has "400km" of range when in fact it actually has half, because you'll never be driving the car until the battery reaches 0%
They sell it with $15,000 of "free" hydrogen. That's enough for about 25,000 miles of driving. If you charge a Tesla model Y at home, $0.12 per kWHr, $15,000 of electricity will take the Tesla Y about 450,000 miles. So enjoy feeding that Mirai all of your money. Driving the Mirai 450,000 miles will cost you $270,000 for the Hydrogen. Of course there will be lots of other costs to keep all the fancy stuff working.
Commercial H production is currently derived from fossil fuels, mostly Gas. Renewable H production can be done but current tech is not commercially viable at scale. FCEV's do have a place though, specifically with trucks, busses and shipping to stop the use of dirty diesel and bunker fuel but for personal cars, not yet.
We should have gone heavily nuclear power 30 years ago for many reasons. Plenty of cheap power would have made Hydrogen viable as production efficiency becomes less relevant. These vehicles are a far better long term solution than EV's dragging around a ton of battery
It's currently derived using fossil fuel power (blue hydrogen) as the fossil fuel bit makes it fast and easy at present (and no doubt big oil is lobbying hard for this as they will need to transition their finances over time). Green hydrogen is happening alongside and should be the ultimate goal though. It is fully acheivable.
@@RonanB99 not really. Even at the very beginning your were able to charge your car at home even if it took over a day to charge. Hydrogen is very expensive to handle and maintenance.
@@propstoyou9792 there’s a big difference between electric and hydrogen. Just because they provide similar electric currents, doesn’t make them any closer before, now and in the future.
@@GamerofGamesGG HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneous current needed for acceleration. These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms. In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev. And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all those systems need to go somewhere in the car. Then there is the infrastructure issue.
So many really long Lloyds adverts just ruined this for me.I wish Utube could place them at the beginning or end to make the viewing experience better. PS, I hope this technology becomes more affordable and takes off as it seems so much more useable than an EV
@@jonasweber9408 Batteries need huge amount of resources to manufacture and they degrade over time / very expensive to replace. If the whole UK would switch to electric cars, that would use up all the Lithium production in the world. And this is just one country with 0.5 percent of the world population.
@@todanrg3 oil needs a huge amount of energy to extract, to refine, to transport and to distribute. ICE engines and parts like gearboxes degrade over time/ are expensive to replace. If the UK was eating in one day all of the rice in the world there wouldn’t be any left and that’s just 0,5 of the world population. You get the idea, England won’t change all of their cars in one day… There’s lithium in Ireland if people want to produce more locally.
It is a DREAM for me to have half of the world driving cars like this. Today it`s looking impossible but tomorrow it can became normal as it happend with EVs
Hydrogen is, interestingly enough, the most abundant element in the observable universe...yet costs more per kg than the rare earth metals Cerum or Lanthanum. Guess it has to do with problems of transport/storage and of course getting this gas in pure form. The car itself...well, it's just not realistic for most people. I keep feeling that, despite how capable this car is in many respects compared to EVs, it's a Beta in a world that has decided the future (at least at this stage) is VHS. And that is sad. But I do hope that, perhaps, this technology could still find its place eventually: maybe 20% of the market? Maybe there could be a cheaper way to transport and store hydrogen using existing infrastructure to make it more cost competitive? Maybe production costs can drop further and maybe they can provide a larger battery at the same time, giving a realistic two fuel source option? Either way, I do like what Toyota has done - and I am a huge fan of how they are really selling this car at a loss (like Lexus did with the LFA). I just hope it's not all in vain.
I have read that in the South Korean major cities they plan on going full hydrogen by mid 2030s. Imagine with the progress kia and hyundai have made this last couple of years they decide on improving hydrogen technology (storage, transport etc) as well as bmw investing in hydrogen, maybe we could have an EV alternative for when petrol powered cars go out of production. One can only hope!
100,000km driven electric, never had to stop for a service, 2 sets of tires only. Never had to stop too or from work to fill up. Massive warranty. Huge room in the car, boot, back seat and under the bonnet. Quick, connected and with home solar I’ve had zero running cost. Hydrogen is a pipe dream.
@@tentacionndlovu6343 yeah, it’s got a few moving parts….. it’s a comparison right…. like the 500 tonne earth moving machinery I worked on for 15 years, electric drive trains destroy traditional torque converter style drive trains by several orders of magnitude in both longevity, maintenance and power output (everyone is moving this way). Heat due to friction kills oil. Braking heat transferring through differential housings kills oils and affects lubricant quality, dramatic heat changes results in the differentials “breathing” which introduces dust. All - less of an issue for a simple one gear ev motor that’s not absorbing heat from an engine bolted to it or brake energy or idling fluid friction. I’m so glad you mentioned that. We did an oil sample on the 2018 model 3 drivetrain and its result was close to new condition. So. Sorry. It’s done 160,000km and it’s fine. No substantial gear sets, no brake heat, exponentially less heat, less wear, less friction, and they have a filter on the transmission fluid unlike normal cars 😉 Also most coolant fluids are rated for life these days. Again, silly to compare to a ICE. MUCH less heat, less vibration, less moving parts and not having to step up or down ratios. There’s plenty of evidence to backup the substantial differences in maintenance.
I think this is the best compromise between 0 emissions,fast charging/filling and long journeys in a confy manner. It would be even confyer if we would have more filling stations.
Nice presentation. I am glad that Toyota and Hyundai are still working on the technology, after Mercedes decided to simply toss decades of research and a huge advantage out the window because you can't sell it this quater. Once renewable energy rollout reaches a point where long time storage and long distance transport become common, so will hydrogen. No idea when that is going to happen, since ther eis few countries really pushing forwards, but it works and makes sense in the context of a future energy market.
@@paulbedichek2679 The newly separated truck division is cooperating with Volvo on developing a vehicle. But my guess is they will buy the actualy FC from EKPO or Bosch.
VW and Honda have abandoned it too. It doesn't work, it looked like it could be a contender 15 years ago, but battery tech have made it all but irrelevant for cars.
@@mikeedwards350 In the context of our current energy grid, I would agree. For cars at least. But I highly doubt it will stay that way once the trade with green energy takes off. I doubt we will cover all of europe in Solar to provide electricity when we can just place those panels in 10x better spots and import that energy cheaper than we can make it here. Then the FC may have a big comeback.
Yea not having hydrogen fuel pump stations near is a deal breaker. Hopefully 100 years from now if we run out of gas and all gas stations are converted to a hydrogen station then I can see myself buying this car.
Big brain thought. Some people say electric is the way forward with batteries. Some say due to lithium shortage hydrogen is the way. Toyota should next release an electric hydrogen hybrid. So if a hydrogen fill-up is a while away you could have a plug in option to get you there on electric power.
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Solid state batteries will solve the range issue for EV's...... Oh, and hydrogen is far from efficient. The Mirai runs at around 23 to 24% efficiency, which is *less* than some ICE's....
As we all know, an atom consists of a nucleus and electron right? The way the Fuel Cell works is by using a special membrane that separates them, in which hydrogen is the easiest as it just consist of a proton and an electron, "forcing" the electron to flow through the electrical circuit before it can merge back with the protons (or nucleuses) and react with oxygen on the other side to create water. Although it's very unlikely the protons will meet the same electrons as the flow of electrons inside a circuit is actually about 40x slower than snail. The electric current might be near the speed of light, but the electrons are not.
Matt is correct that Toyota evolves its 'projects' through to production and sales (not its constant engine refinements and hybrid development until it is ready) and this explains why the Mirai is a niche product, expensive but individual cars will last for ages. Mr Toyoda plainly said years ago that the future would be hydrogen IC -- as his grandfather had tested in the 1930s -- but that EVs would be a necessary experiment for a single economic generation (= 20 years from manufacture to landfill or recycling). Sino-Japanese economists undertook a vast parallel survey of motor vehicle needs many years ago which predicted the EV stampede (especially in the USA and western Europe) but a majority of vehicles being hybrids, using petroleum in the short term but quickly changing to hydrogen of various "colors" or a hydrogen carrier such as ammonia. The Mirai's hydrogen cell experiment was a necessity for the industry for trial in the real world and when gaseous hydrogen pumps become common in service stations these will be able to be topped up alongside hydrogen hybrid IC vehicles. Hydrogen fuels (quite a variety including ammonia hydrogen on heavy vehicles and plant equipment where sustained raw power is less important than responsiveness) will be delivered to filling stations in the same was as is 'normal' fuels, whereas EV chargers are a different matter and (mostly oil) company owners of these stations in the USA have proved to be unenthusiastic. This is partly due to electric companies being inconsistent and failing to maintain lines. The USA does not have a grid system as such. States legislation and red tape also hold up EV charging as a viable nationwide prospect. Hydrogen fuels distribution will be largely co-owned by existing fuel companies in the USA but there will be more freedom of enterprise in Europe and Asia. Hydrogen of different grades ('colors') is a byproduct of many industrial processes on all inhabited continents and some surprising countries use their climates and resources to make gaseous hydrogen as a primary product. The really big producers, however, are Russia and the CIS, China, Indonesia, Spain, some Nordic states, Australia and Brazil. Canada finances many of these producers as production at home is a challenge. Japan buys hydrogen from Russia and currently disputed islands between the two countries are being considered as energy producing co-hubs. The thinking here seems to include fueling vessels for the Arctic seaways with grades of hydrogen being byproducts for domestic and export markets and is diplomatically advanced. The ships are likely to use ammonia or a blend to fulfil spill agreements in a delicate ecosystem.
I would rather upgrade to a hydrogen fuel cell car rather than full electric. However, the only thing putting me off is the lack of an infrastructure for hydrogen fuel availability.
It doesn’t makes sense to carry around a complete power plant to produce electricity when battery tec is becoming so good. The efficiency of hydrogen isn’t very good, producing the electric power central and Store it in cars battery makes more sense to me
@@johannesfranck1770 I admit battery tech has improved. But if companies invested that much on hydrogen, the quality would also improve over time. Besides, hydrogen fuel has a similar drive range as combustion engines and fuelling times are also just as quick. If battery cars have quicker charging times and better range, without the hefty price tag, then I'd definitely consider one.
@@abu269 Johannes is correct. HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneous current needed for acceleration. These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms. In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev. And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all those systems need to go somewhere in the car. Then there is the infrastructure issue.
@@nordic5490 Wow! A very comprehensive explanation. Many thanks. So what would you think is the better long term solution (if HFC had a better infrastructure)? I can't imagine HGVs/lorries being battery powered. They are heavy enough as it is. Is there another alternative?
I'm quite surprised to hear that. It is a pity he couldn't balance that out with a little more maturity though..... Sometimes the way he often jabs buttons, and forcefully twiddles knobs really irks me. He is at times rather like an 8 year old, attempting to see how much force it actually takes to break things..... I kind of get the feeling he'd do the same if he was a passenger in a car too..... His reviews are informative though. I just wish he'd cut back on the impishness/immaturity a touch.
I'm very excited about the potential for Hydrogen!! Electric seems to be quite "fashionable"... Hydrogen seems like it's really a new, different, interesting fuel source!
New?? General Motors were trying to push hydrogen over 40 years ago! The main problem with hydrogen production is it's inefficiency. You use more energy producing it than you extract from it.....
Considering hydrogen electric technology is relatively new and only Toyota and Hyundai are giving it a go. I hope they make it more cost efficient in the Future. This is the future no refueling time. No heavy batteries. It just needs to be investigated and funded better.
@@Simon-dm8zv how negative. Let technology advance . Things will change 10 years ago the range electric cars was barely 100 miles they were terrible and took forever to recharge. Look at them now. But that's years of research and investment. The phones we carry in our pockets are more powerful than the computers that were used during the Apollo missions. Technology advances have some faith. Hydrogen is an incredible solution it recharges fast. It keeps the weight to a minimum and it's not exactly explosive . So I would like to see this technology surpass the battery. I'm pretty sure it will in the future. But if it doesn't something else will. Cause we have to keep advancing and believing there's always something better.
@@psychoticcapybara9362 You are mixing up technological advancement and laws of physics. EVs have been efficient from day one due to physics, but lacked in range and charging speed. Both things were fixed by improving the technology. Hydrogen cars will always remain far less efficient than battery electric cars because producing, compressing, transporting and converting hydrogen is paired with a lot of losses. Improvement is possible, but elimination of these steps is not. It's that simple.
I looked into the Mirai Toyota even gives you three years of free hydrogen, which is PERFECT if you plan on doing a 36 month term lease The problem is, even in New York and California there’s very few stations and it makes it almost imposs
No stations for FCV in NY Ca has plenty,Germany leads with stations lets have a video about Germans buying the Mirai,of course they love to burn coal,so maybe not.
The next (very obvious) step is the upcoming plug-in hydrogen cars Toyota is launching in 2023. You charge at home for your commute, use hydrogen only on road trips. Still needs more stations, but way fewer.
@@Jeremy-mc2ut I wanted to get a BEV, but it isn't practical for my driving pattern or living situation, it's not even an option so I currently own a hybrid. Maybe years from now if ev charging stations become ubiquitous at apartments and hotels, but if you do that the recharging infrastructure is even more costly than hydrogen. It's really only for people with both detached homes and daily commutes.
@@joa8593 Many hotels already have destination charges. And why not use superchargers on the way if you need to? You think building new hydrogen filling stations all across the country is going to be easier than rolling out more super chargers and destination chargers? Hydrogen is just not practical to handle, transport or store on that scale. Plus it's very inefficient compared to charging with electricity.
This is the future of Automobiles. Well Done Toyota and thanks to CarWOW team for this review. However would have liked to see the safety features of the car especially relating to the hydrogen stored during a crash.
This car looks great, but youre COMPLETELY wrong and it really shows why FCEVs arent the future. Its a reason why other large car manifacturers like GM dropped hydrogen in the late 90`s. Hydrogen stations costs 40 times more to build than charging stations, producing hydrogen is worse for environment than producing petrol and diesel while being extremely expensive to produce, filling the car up costs as much if not more than filling up a petrol or diesel vehicle, hydrogen still has to be transported with trucks like diesel and petrol while electricity dont, the car itself is to expensive for what it gets you, its not as quick as pretty much every other EV in its price class, its got less interior space, rear seats cant be folded down because of the tanks, it has a transmission tunnel as well because of the tanks and the fuel cell takes up all the space in the frunk which couldve been used for storage. Fuel cell will never be the future for personal vehicles, literally never. it might be for ships semi trucks and planes, but it isnt for personal vehicles.
Fuel Cell and Hydrogen ICE powertrains could be the sucessor of the Diesel engine. With advantages to BEVs as bigger range, quicker refuel, more cheaper to produce, and bigger payload.
Manufacturing & transporting and storing hydrogen is not as practical. It's expensive to manufacture... Difficult to store as it is very light... Transporting isn't easy either.
@@abi.hockeycop but still has a less Environmental impact, not needing to use big battery packs, that demand intensive mining and not very suitable to be fully recycled. You got the Smartphone industry as an example. Add to that, structural battery packs, that once too degraded, it totaled the car to the scrapyard.
@@RogerM88 Sure... But who's gonna bare the cost of building the entire fuel infrastructure? Making hydrogen is very expensive...storing much harder...& Then refueling isn't cheap either. Companies will go bankrupt.
@@abi.hockeycop it was the same with evs until tesla came around and changed everything. Hydrogen cars is the best of both worlds, fuel infrastructure will come with time and the costs will be lowered, its an investment for the future. Evs will only get more expensive from now on, which is not the case for hydrogen cars.
What car should Mat buy next? Wrong answers only... 👀
Peel P50 😆👍
Fiat multipla
PT Cruiser
@@nathanb2100 agreed 😂😅
Piaggio Ape
I really hope hydrogen cars gets developed more in the future, I would totally own one
They won’t, they make no financial sense for personal transport v a BEV
@@ericpisch2732 correct. HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneous current needed for acceleration.
These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms.
In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev.
And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all those systems need to go somewhere in the car.
Then there is the infrastructure issue.
@@nordic5490 with enough research and investing going into FC cars i actually see a market for them. There hasnt been big innovations with FC cars and the reason for this is the lack of funding. Hydrogrn makes a lot of sense for trucks oder airplanes and if those things are coming i am sure cars will come too
@@makr0295 Hydrogen cars will always remain horribly inefficient, no matter how much money you throw at it.
@@Simon-dm8zv Toyota seems to want to ignore the laws of thermodynamics.. Hydrogen is a terrible option for powering cars..
If i remember correctly this car has a button on the dash to release the water when ever you want, so if releasing water to driveway bothers you so much, just do it before.
edit: the button can be seen at 3:52 above the vent, saying H2O
Or if you're thirsty, get someone to push the button, while you're behind the car on the ground and cupping your hands to catch the water!
@@M1LAD81 collect the water in a week time and you get a bucket of water to wash your car with it
@@RealNameNeverUsed Heh, just pipe it to windshield wiper fluid tank.
Im not sure why they dont immediately drip it out from the rear of the car, and choose to store it for bigger release.
alternatively do what fridges do, and pipe it to cool something.
(at least my fridge pipes condensation water to a tank next to the hot compressor, and it then gets evaporated while cooling the compressor a bit)
edit:
if you need to know exactly how this works, fridge has like V shape at the rear, on the inside of the fridge, that pipes condensation to a tine hole.that then goes to a pipe, and what i have seen commonly, the condensation just sits on a bucket, that is cooling the compressor, sits right next to it, mine is a bucket, specifically designed to surround the compressor , or more commonly for getting rid of this water.
bet they did a lot of testing if it was possible for that bucket to overflow, nope.
has never happened for me.
if you have absolutely horrible water/air density, and see your fridge leaking water you can plug it in your fridge to have all the water inside the fridge.
if it is plugged you see water in bottom of any fridge.
@@M1LAD81 on a serious note i think that water is bad to drink because it is very pure
When we are all at war over fresh water owners of these cars will make hard cash
Mat wasnt lying, he actually does have a degree in Chemistry lol
@Kishlay Anand oh that's awesome
@@_-Anthony-_ gonna believe that ?
ok................
So he’s smarter than I thought
@@ClebyHerris He seems smarter than average to me.
th-cam.com/video/rfgVKNPlrrc/w-d-xo.html matt watson
When this technology matures a bit and hopefully more filling stations are added, it's definitely a much more progressive change from I.C.E. cars to Hydrogen. It doesn't feel like a weird move away. No need for silly power points or having to wait 'hours' to charge. I'd love it
Hydrogen trucks refuel at Flying J truck stops.
It's weird that he didn't refuel the car. Surely that would be interesting to see...
Its been on the market 10 years ? I cant find a 2nd hand one for sale in the UK , Why is that ? I've seen 1 in those 10 years. Is it really a success? look up the lifespan of the fuel tanks
No, it was a fail and the director from Toyota leading this got fired. They are a lot behind now in the electric race@@waynecartwright-js8tw
Eva aren't that bad anymore, sub-3 min to fast charge but yes it will take hours at home but people do it while they are sleeping. Hybrid cars are the more practical car right now
Look at the length of that car 🚗
Genshin?!
@Genshin lmpаct 🅥 what are you doing in here?
@@acvarlik not a real one, though
20th century american cars: that's cute
But you will be surprised boot space and cargo is limited compared to other small car
I think Mat should show the keys when he reviews the car, just out of interest.
Horn and key should be shown
yes he should
*gets car stolen because of a screenshot of the key*
Mirai in Kanji→未来
「未」(mi) means "still", "never", "yet"...
「来」(rai) means "come"
Therefore Mirai means "something has not come yet" ＝future
Hydrogen cells cars
Mirai Trunks
Thank you for the language lesson 👍.
Or my girlfriend 💀
The car that "Never Comes"
The weird thing about hydrogen is it can run an electric car via fuel cell but you can also use it in an internal combustion engine with a few tweaks. Also is hybrid ICE and electric car
but since hydrogen has the tiniest atom size, its very hard to make the ice engine leak proof and plus it doesnt burn with a visible flame, it has a barely visible blue flame so its very hazardous that way to use it, thats one of the many possible reasons why they are using fuel cell, otherwise combustion of hydrogen gives a lot more energy than using the fuel cell way...
@@tanayvaishnav3888 "combustion of hydrogen gives a lot more energy"
Well it certainly wastes a lot more energy. Hydrogen combustion cars are very inefficient compared to hydrogen fuel cell cars, which are themselves very inefficient compared to EVs.
And. It might be good for a cuppa!
@@logitech4873Repairing a EV is inefficient
@@ciarancheetham8245 How so?
A chemistry degree, a chartered accountant and now a motoring journalist, very diverse career
Where can i learn more about this?
@SARI not u again
@ㅁㅊ sad stalker
Yeah
Did not know this but thanks
This is like EV's 10 years ago, when there weren't any charging stations. We just have to wait for the tech to improve and become more popular.
lol hydrogen gas are older then electric cars. they are also less efficient, environmentally speaking, then a EV.
The problem is, building hydrogen fuel stations is more complicated, and more expensive, than petrol/gasoline stations. And normal fueling stations are more complicated and expensive than building out an EV charging network. I mean, you can "refuel" an EV in your own garage quite easily. It's hard to imagine hydrogen fuel cells having much of a future, without some rather major tech break throughs. I guess time will tell.
Hydrogen doesn’t make sense in passenger cars only in Planes, Ships, Lorries(let’s see how the Tesla Semi will deliver) and non electrified railways.
We need to push for more hydrogen stations
@@ahmedabdelkader2141 Thats not true making the EV battery is not good for the environment, the UK don't main source of electricity is not renewable source making inefficient. also EVs lose range quickly in hot and cold weathers and the battery degrades over time not good.
I've looked at that car online before and seriously considered it being my next car, right up until I found out I would have to drive 1500 miles to get it filled up
hydrogen stations are being built
Totally possible with it's 400 mile range lol
@@xpengfangirl7942 yeah look at Norway, the most green transport fleet in the world, they are building loads of them, oh wait, no they shut them all after one exploded
LS swap it and you will have no problems driving 1500 miles and the fuel bill will be lower
@@ericpisch2732 thanks for this news, china was worried about the sudden hydrogen hype, but it looks like it all exploded, good job
7:50 - I've never had a car that does it differently and I dislike it being the way you say you'd like it to be; All in one spot. The trip meter and the odometer are settings I don't want to risk touching by accident and thus having them separated from the controls I touch all the time makes perfect sense.
I was searching all over the internet for a proper review of this car I wanted the review of this car so bad, thank you carwow 🔥🔥💪
By the way carwow, can you please do a review of the hurácan evo 😎😎
Enjoy!
doug demuro did one
Doug did one
@@randomdude245 he said proper review
I'm gonna say it, Hydrogen still has potential in the auto industry, primarily in the commercial sector and for pickup trucks maybe. I mean hydrogen is just so much better for long haul semi-trucks than electric which is better for civilians
Agree. I hate charging times and weight of the batteries but this is very similar to the internal combustion engine. I like it.
JCB are developing an internal combustion engine that runs on Hydrogen for that very purpose. There's a vid on it on Harry's Garage.
Hydrogen is the only tech that has potential. Evs will die out if they don’t upgrade from lithium ion.
Only if it is ‘green’ hydrogen produced from water with 100% renewable electricity. ‘Blue’ hydrogen from natural gas has a bigger CO2 footprint than just burning the gas in a home boiler or in a power station. The reliance on supply chains and complicated infrastructure is also a major downside. Maybe if Toyota committed to building infrastructure in the way Tesla built their network of chargers we’d have more enthusiasm for hydrogen...or maybe not
@@harrypsaunders It's a bit difficult to imagine that being practical, no matter how good your tech is an IC engine will be far less efficient than a fuel cell and loses most of the advantages of using hydrogen in the first place. But they must have their reasons.
my whole family is over 6.4´´ and we have a audi a3... yes we have all sat in it at one, but we need to bend front :P
Damn... you're whole family so tall 😲
6”4 yeah sure are they heavyweight boxers too?
@@niccolomachiavelli8763 You think that's impossible or something?
are you a masochist? is your whole family a masochist? Damn dude give your and your family's backs a relief
Jeez I’m 179cm and I struggle in my A4… I don’t know how you guys do it!
I’m from Los Angeles, and we actually have pretty decent hydrogen fuel infrastructure and it’s pretty much a max of like 10-15 miles between stations in my specific area. So, this car is pretty much devoid of downsides for me. I honestly think I may buy it, because I’m getting really concerned about my carbon emissions since I currently drive a challenger SRT which is shitting itself rn since it’s relatively old and I’ve put about 160k miles on it (I do a LOT of driving because it’s basically my therapy at this point).
I hear you on the driving as therapy, the open road can really clear the mind!
If reducing emissions is your goal, you should know hydrogen in the US is mainly made from Methane / fracked Natural Gas. It can be made from electricity, and that electricity can be green / renewable, but, it takes 3x more electricity to move the Mirai than is does to move a battery electric, so, it's quite wasteful if powered by electricity, (which, it generally isn't, it's usually powereded by fossil fuels, mostly methane) - the CO2 emissions of FCEV are hight compared to EVs, and often higher than diesel or even gasoline.
I swung through LA on my Canada / US EV road trip, after driving from Vancouver to Austin.
160K..? Has anything broken down so far and what year is it?
Buy it and start a TH-cam channel.
@@user-pn3im5sm7k 2017, I had to replace the clutch at one point a little unexpectedly but other than that no. Nothing has broken or worn out sooner than it was expected to, all maintenance and part replacements have been pretty on schedule up until recently. I’ve had to start changing oil more frequently and it’s getting worse gas mileage so I think the engine is starting to crap out and I’m probably gonna get something new.
@@brushlessmotoring I’m kind of betting on Japan in that vein. The Japanese car companies are starting to put a lot into hydrogen and expanding global production and shipping infrastructure as well as green production of hydrogen. Assuming the Mirai has the longevity of other Toyotas I expect to be driving it into the mid 30s, additionally it fits my lifestyle far better than most BEV’s which is going to be the key to fostering gasoline alternatives in general.
BEV’s just don’t fit everyone’s lifestyle and use case for multiple reasons and so it’s been a growing idea recently that we will need multiple sustainable vehicle propulsion technologies in play at once in order to remove out reliance on fossil fuels. The main 2 current contenders being BEV’s and FCEV’s, but a lot of institutions estimate we’d need 3-4 different technologies to fill all necessary niches in the transportation sector.
Ooo this looks far more conventional/better than the old model, which looked rather bizarre :). I can't wait to see other makers like BMW release their own hydrogen models :). And that title though 😆. Nice content :)
Won’t happen
I'm pretty sure BMW are making a hydrogen version of the latest x5 though
that's possible to think about BMW making these cars because they had already worked together for new Toyota Supra
It actually looks beautiful tbh
Looks great...........but after this video hydrogen fuel cell can fuk off.
So cool that Mat has a chemistry degree! Goes with his natural chemistry.
Does he?
@@shithead4767 Yes, University of Edinburgh.
I hope more manufacturers start making hydrogen cars, seems a much better solution than electric.
They are not financially viable, in a perfect system the fuel costs 5x that of putting the electricity into a BEV. One of the hydrogen stations in Norway blew up.
Until there's a cost effective way of producing hydrogen, it will never happen. Electrolysis of water and steam reforming (reacting hydrocarbons/fossil fuels with water to produce hydrogen) are both energy intensive AND burn a lot of fossil fuels to achieve.
@@vangledosh They need to add Sodium, this the key, Sodium Hydrogen will work.
I would actually like to have both available.
A hydrogen powered car *is* an electric car. It substitutes a hydrogen fuel cell for a drive battery. It does still have a small battery in the drive train, but that acts a buffer.
This hydrogen car looks like a good alternative to electric cars if only we had the filling stations!
can see countries like uk and EU countries not taking this one because they're investing so much in EV infrastructure they'll want to move forward with that
@@SamJonesMediaHUDthey require less energy in the long run to sustain than hydrogen so and that ev development is way higher than fcev development.
@@mahinakhter8157thing is in terms of infrastructure it's imossible to replace all ICE cars whith electric.
@@lukas6610 way easier than hydrogen though
@@mahinakhter8157 It'll have to be a mix of different options if they really want to complete the fit for 55 EU agreement
Matt, you didn’t mention one of the main advantages of a fuel cell car is that you can fill it up in minutes, like a petrol powered car. You don’t have to wait ages as you do in an electric car.
if you find a gasstation!
If I'm not mistaken, the hydrogen station has to build up pressure again after refuelling which could mean that you have to wait 20 minutes before you can start filling up your car. A Tesla supercharger will recharge a car in the same time.
few minutes to fill, few hours to get there and back..
Refuelling time would be an advantage if a big refuelling network were available but for most people for most trips they never have to wait to refuel their electric car - it starts full every day
That’s right, you can spend that time driving to and from the hydrogen filling station.
The Mirai is without a doubt, the best looking Toyota today, if this is a conventional ev, it could be a serious contender to Model S.
Infrastructure says no no.
Had same thought, about the design
It is a Lexus grade design
That would be cool if Toyota finally made EVs… (I know there’s the Lexus already)
@@superfatbobtail yeah they could have switched out all the badges and it would almost work as a lexus
The Hyundai Tucson has a jump start function for when the 12V battery runs down due to the car sitting idle during a Covid lockdown etc. Good to see Toyota have the same thinking.
B MODE stops charge from going into the battery as it is only used to be "simulated engine braking" you can still get regenerative braking in drive.
I've already ride this car in Berlin, in taxi! pretty nice car!
@Not RickRoll 👇 you ain't getting me, not this time 😤
Cool
Would you say it is fuel efficient compared to your normal fuel?
I really have a soft spot for the Mirai and Clarity fuel cells, they strike me as ideal comfortable long-distance cars, but I understand the filling infrastructure is just an absolute nightmare to deal with. I was thinking during this video that it would be nice to have a hydrogen plug-in hybrid, something with ~100 miles of plug-in range but then another 200-250 miles of hydrogen on board more as a range extender. Seems like a smart application for a plug-in hybrid since every fuel cell is already a hybrid and hydrogen fuelling can leave you stranded but finding a plug isn't as hard.
It needs investment. It wasn't that long ago there were barely any fuel stations. Hydrogen is the next logical step if you ask me
@@chappy2121 it's the production of hydrogen which is the main issue: it either uses natural gas and there are questionable carbon capturing claims, or uses a lot of electricity for electrolysis.
DMFC or other hydrocarbon FC would be a better option, at least outside Japan
Fuelcell make more sense for semi trucks and buses that travel long distances every day, electric is better, cheaper for in-city driving.
@@andys844 yeah that's the issue. We'll never ever get away from the carbon issue though I don't think. That new e10 fuel is supposed to save 750k Tons of c02 per year, my mate had a pipe blow on a fridge plant last year half a ton of refrigerant yet 782k tons of c02 in approx 1min. Yet the ecos still demonise engines. Weird 🤔
I drive this car in California and I love it!
I have tried the previous version. It's good enough, but a bit too expensive
@@Has7DCT The sticker price is way too high, but considering all the government incentives and $20k cashback from Toyota, it was the best deal I ever got for a car.
Is it cheaper to drive than a gasoline car?
@@dr.vishantpriyadarshi7050 Toyota gives you debit card with $15k for hydrogen. So, until you spend this money is free driving. If you have to pay from your pocket, is more expensive than gasoline car. About $90 cost the full tank of hydrogen and last for up to 400 miles but in real life about 300 miles.
@@excusemehello5904 that really is more expensive than a gasoline car. How much does a litre of gasoline(petrol) cost in usa?
True Green Hybrid SUV:
15kw plugin battery (>110km range) with efficient regenerative breaking, ultra high capacity >1.5kw solar top on roof & bonnet and small hydrogen 4kg tank (>350km range) for light-weight & cost-effective green hybrid FCEV (>600km range) under $25k or ₹200k..!!
These videos are amazing. Love the vids Matt
Thanks!
Fun fact: Mirai means ''future'' in Japanese
みらい, absolutely.
未来、absolutely
Which is ironic in that hydrogen fuel cell cars don't have one.
@@timaustin2000 at least much more of a future than battery EV’s
Remove the fun part...
I wish there were more hydrogen fuel stations and its sad I've never seen a hydrogen car in person
Does it have a “wee” button so you can evacuate its bladder at will? In winter you wouldn’t want to have a sheet of ice in the driveway from your incontinent car.
Yeh it actually does
@@musashah7428mas Can you use it while driving? Like could you potentially slick your enemies behind you on icy roads?
@@ccalvinn lmao I'm curious now
@@lankannigga9737 same here lol
"The Sound of Science.." Watson and Mattfunkel........Ok, I'll get my coat!
“Meaty enough when you’re going quicker”
Wish Mat was like Arun because that was the perfect time to pull a “that’s what she said”. Still love Mat’s natural charm doe,unlike no other.❤️
I keep considering one, I have a 180 mile a day commute and there are loads of hydrogen filling stations around my work. An EV the time to charge would be a major pain for me. I have other cars so I wouldn’t need this aside from working and the incentives here in the US knock almost 32% off the price of the car AND they give you another $15,000 in fuel credit.
Wow, sounds like a no brainer then. Only challenge might be maintenance? If Toyota dealerships know how to even fix them…
That's a bizarre commute distance. You should move or change jobs. That's like 4 hours wasted driving every day?
@@logitech4873 I sit on the freeway with millions who do it every day… I know the pro EV crowd does not care about anyone else but themselves but million of people have HUGE commutes in the US, especially California.
@@alexsystems2001 Sounds like a true car hell. I don't understand how you can deal with work days that long. How many years have you spent on that road? Scary.
The average American commutes ~40 miles per day, which is already absurd, but you apparently commute almost 5x that amount?
I don't understand how you find it acceptable to waste so much of your life like that. It just sounds absolutely insufferable.
Where I live, the average commute is 23km (14 miles)
when a Lexus LS and a Bob fish has a child: Toyota Mirai.
Or an AMG GT 4 Door
Hydrogen fuel cell explanation by professor mat Watson 😂😂
Mat actually has a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry.
All we're missing is the lab coat that he used for his Range Rover review
Matts definitely got the carbon fibre stick of truth on vibrate in his back pocket 😂
Rimac's clever marketing strategy😂
the thing is ev needs time to charge, but it won't take that much time at all, we just need to build more hydrogen stations and the car is ready to boom!
New carwow drinking game:
Every time you hear 'click on the pop out banner' take a drink :)
Way ahead of you buddy
Idk why I just love this 😂😂 5:45
5:36 look at his face when he goes in the middle seat😂
James May is ALWAYS right. Never forget that!
Lol
Drag race DC Matt and yanni
No cars, just them
Sound check is necessary
Would be nice if DC is in race suit and redbull mechanics are there
I don't know how it drives, how reliable it is or how many features it has but godamnn does it look good
Nvm just saw the nose, it's ugly
Lol front end is hideous 🤢🤮
@@karankhatana9528 from what i know, the hydrogen car is a bit more expensive and a bit hard to fill it up if theres like one or two fuel stations for hydrogen cars.
@@vehielphantom4116 yea it's honestly pointless, you don't get the convenience of gas stations every 10 miles and the assurance that if your car breaks down any local mechanic can fix it, you don't get the performance you get from electric cars nor is the operating cost anywhere as cheap as electric cars, and on top of that did I mention you're literally sitting on top of enough hydrogen to blow up a sub surban house. It's literally the worst of both worlds
Some facts around hydrogen:
- Hydrogen Hyundais in Korea are 50% subsidizes to compete
- You need 3 times more energy per mile compared to EVs
- You refuel with 700bar, some countries operate hydrogen stations with „aerospace standards“ to prevent blowups
You omitted to mention that hydrogen fuel cells are manufactured using platinum, and that the cell degrades over time, and will require either replacement or refurbishment during it's working life...... And hydrogen won't ever be cheap. Expect it to cost more than gas/petrol.......
I wish hydrogen was winning between BEVs and HBEV seen as they improve air quality as they drive... I do think people are missing the point of hydrogen with the range, it's the refueling almost as fast as petrol... at the same price with no emissions just harmless water ...
Looks like a family friendly supra
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Wow. Mat's hard work is paying off quite well. Couldn't help but notice the z fold he's been using for quite sometimes isn't just a normal one...but actually a thom browne edition. Keep up the great work Mat..👌
Hard work truly pays
They Miria should’ve been a four seater instead of five seater cause of the middle seat
Wise words of Mat 2021 - "If you got some crappy apple then you can use Apple Carplay" 😂😂
I love the look of this car so much. I hope Toyota doesn't discontinue if this model doesn't pan out.
Of course it won’t pan out. It’s a terrible vehicle I’m almost every respect except looks
@@jonathanfields4ever correct.
HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneos current needed for acceleration.
These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms.
In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev.
And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all thise systems need to go somewhere in the car.
Then there is the infrastructure issue.
@@nordic5490 everyone doesn't need 0-60 in 3 sec. Go on with your trash talk. Who wanna recharge their ev for 5 hours. Lol
@@ImtheIC Heres a tip, dont call other peoples facts for "trash talk" when you yourself got no clue what youre talking about.
Youre seriously ignorant if you think it takes 5 hours to charge an electric car, it hasnt taken 5 hours to charge one for over 10 years.
Heres some more facts for you.
1. Hydrogen stations costs 40 times more to build than charging stations.
2. Producing hydrogen is worse for environment than producing petrol and diesel while being extremely expensive to produce.
3. Filling the car up costs as much if not more than filling up a petrol or diesel vehicle while electricity costs 10 times less than petrol and diesel.
4. Hydrogen still has to be transported with trucks like diesel and petrol while electricity dont.
5. The car itself is to expensive for what it gets you, its not as quick as pretty much every other EV in its price class, even petrol and diesel cars in its price class is quicker than it.
6. Its got less interior space, rear seats cant be folded down because of the tanks, it also has a transmission tunnel because of the tanks.
7. The fuel cell takes up all the space in the frunk which couldve been used for storage.
You dont have to be a genius to understand why FCEVs are worse than BEVs in every single area.
@@TheGamingNorwegian Lmao 3rd troll kiddo. You just wrote this big reply to defend sh#t? I don't even read 10% of your bs. Where have you seen hydrogen station 40 times more cost? Fairy tail kiddo. Producing hydrogen doesn't emit green house gases which are the main reason of climate change. Read the video again child, with pre fund, it's almost similar to ICE cars. And stop telling patrol all the time illiterate kiddo. ICE refers all kind of fossil fuels i.e diesel, cng, lpg, octane. To transport electricity, country need way costlier infrastructure.
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This is beautiful and Astonishing car that is NOT getting enough attention…. this vehicle is incredible and very advanced. Toyota does it again !
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Produce a car that has 0 advantages over an EV is what they do. You know how filling up works? With a few cars in line you gonna wait very long. But go ahead, put your money where your mouth is.
@@vanvan143 Didn't people have the same problem with electric cars at the beginning? In my town there are only 2 parking slots with a charger, and people are fighting for it, we literally had to call the police because the people were so stuck up and selfish, also, I don't where you got "a car that has 0 advantages over an EV" from, because it Does have advantages. But go ahead, go put your money into a Tesla that has "400km" of range when in fact it actually has half, because you'll never be driving the car until the battery reaches 0%
They sell it with $15,000 of "free" hydrogen. That's enough for about 25,000 miles of driving. If you charge a Tesla model Y at home, $0.12 per kWHr, $15,000 of electricity will take the Tesla Y about 450,000 miles. So enjoy feeding that Mirai all of your money. Driving the Mirai 450,000 miles will cost you $270,000 for the Hydrogen. Of course there will be lots of other costs to keep all the fancy stuff working.
The funniest part is it's still being made from fossil fuels 😅
@@roodick85 The funniest part is that the electricity going to electric cars is mostly made from fossil fuels 😅
@@roodick85 green hydrogen
Commercial H production is currently derived from fossil fuels, mostly Gas. Renewable H production can be done but current tech is not commercially viable at scale. FCEV's do have a place though, specifically with trucks, busses and shipping to stop the use of dirty diesel and bunker fuel but for personal cars, not yet.
Better than electric cars in the long run thou
We should have gone heavily nuclear power 30 years ago for many reasons. Plenty of cheap power would have made Hydrogen viable as production efficiency becomes less relevant. These vehicles are a far better long term solution than EV's dragging around a ton of battery
@@Spartan969 compared to petrol engines which have 30-35% efficiency.
It's currently derived using fossil fuel power (blue hydrogen) as the fossil fuel bit makes it fast and easy at present (and no doubt big oil is lobbying hard for this as they will need to transition their finances over time). Green hydrogen is happening alongside and should be the ultimate goal though. It is fully acheivable.
@@ndzalie not by any metric.
I really like the design, especially the front. Kinda reminds me of a Lexus.
Because it is...
The new Mirai is based on their Lexus sedans.
I still don’t understand why this car exists, it’s cool but so impractical and expensive. - James May makes the car cooler and that’s about it.
You could say the same about early battery electric vehicles
the same goes to the electric cars during early stage
@@RonanB99 not really. Even at the very beginning your were able to charge your car at home even if it took over a day to charge.
Hydrogen is very expensive to handle and maintenance.
@@propstoyou9792 there’s a big difference between electric and hydrogen. Just because they provide similar electric currents, doesn’t make them any closer before, now and in the future.
@@GamerofGamesGG HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneous current needed for acceleration.
These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms.
In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev.
And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all those systems need to go somewhere in the car.
Then there is the infrastructure issue.
So many really long Lloyds adverts just ruined this for me.I wish Utube could place them at the beginning or end to make the viewing experience better. PS, I hope this technology becomes more affordable and takes off as it seems so much more useable than an EV
Considering how slow the battery technology seems to evolve, I truly believe hidrogen cars are the future.
Batteries can evolve, but you can’t really change the amount of hydrogen you can store in a car, it already takes load of space in this car
@@jonasweber9408 I can say the same about lithium batteries.
@@OmegaGamer04 but why would you say that? Energy density is rising years after years
@@jonasweber9408 Batteries need huge amount of resources to manufacture and they degrade over time / very expensive to replace.
If the whole UK would switch to electric cars, that would use up all the Lithium production in the world. And this is just one country with 0.5 percent of the world population.
@@todanrg3 oil needs a huge amount of energy to extract, to refine, to transport and to distribute. ICE engines and parts like gearboxes degrade over time/ are expensive to replace.
If the UK was eating in one day all of the rice in the world there wouldn’t be any left and that’s just 0,5 of the world population. You get the idea, England won’t change all of their cars in one day…
There’s lithium in Ireland if people want to produce more locally.
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My only qualm about the car is that the steering wheel is on the right side which could make it a little hard and illegal to drive in the states.
All cars with Air Con also leave a puddle when parked. No issue, it’s just water.
this car leaves it when you want it to leave it ! it is a special button for this Mat does not showed this in the video!
It is a DREAM for me to have half of the world driving cars like this. Today it`s looking impossible but tomorrow it can became normal as it happend with EVs
Hydrogen is, interestingly enough, the most abundant element in the observable universe...yet costs more per kg than the rare earth metals Cerum or Lanthanum. Guess it has to do with problems of transport/storage and of course getting this gas in pure form.
The car itself...well, it's just not realistic for most people. I keep feeling that, despite how capable this car is in many respects compared to EVs, it's a Beta in a world that has decided the future (at least at this stage) is VHS. And that is sad. But I do hope that, perhaps, this technology could still find its place eventually: maybe 20% of the market? Maybe there could be a cheaper way to transport and store hydrogen using existing infrastructure to make it more cost competitive? Maybe production costs can drop further and maybe they can provide a larger battery at the same time, giving a realistic two fuel source option?
Either way, I do like what Toyota has done - and I am a huge fan of how they are really selling this car at a loss (like Lexus did with the LFA). I just hope it's not all in vain.
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I have read that in the South Korean major cities they plan on going full hydrogen by mid 2030s. Imagine with the progress kia and hyundai have made this last couple of years they decide on improving hydrogen technology (storage, transport etc) as well as bmw investing in hydrogen, maybe we could have an EV alternative for when petrol powered cars go out of production.
One can only hope!
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Looks like a normal car but feels like a concept car.
100,000km driven electric, never had to stop for a service, 2 sets of tires only. Never had to stop too or from work to fill up. Massive warranty. Huge room in the car, boot, back seat and under the bonnet. Quick, connected and with home solar I’ve had zero running cost. Hydrogen is a pipe dream.
@ibsn87 your diff has oil and batteries have coolant drive 100k and you see what will happen
@@tentacionndlovu6343 yeah, it’s got a few moving parts….. it’s a comparison right…. like the 500 tonne earth moving machinery I worked on for 15 years, electric drive trains destroy traditional torque converter style drive trains by several orders of magnitude in both longevity, maintenance and power output (everyone is moving this way). Heat due to friction kills oil. Braking heat transferring through differential housings kills oils and affects lubricant quality, dramatic heat changes results in the differentials “breathing” which introduces dust. All - less of an issue for a simple one gear ev motor that’s not absorbing heat from an engine bolted to it or brake energy or idling fluid friction.
I’m so glad you mentioned that. We did an oil sample on the 2018 model 3 drivetrain and its result was close to new condition. So. Sorry. It’s done 160,000km and it’s fine. No substantial gear sets, no brake heat, exponentially less heat, less wear, less friction, and they have a filter on the transmission fluid unlike normal cars 😉
Also most coolant fluids are rated for life these days. Again, silly to compare to a ICE. MUCH less heat, less vibration, less moving parts and not having to step up or down ratios.
There’s plenty of evidence to backup the substantial differences in maintenance.
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If I had money, i'd buy one of these in a heartbeat, it's such a cool car. And I LOVE the shape of it.
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"Not the most hi tech" actually sounds like an advantage to me. Especially if the alternative is capacitive buttons and strips.
I think this is the best compromise between 0 emissions,fast charging/filling and long journeys in a confy manner. It would be even confyer if we would have more filling stations.
Nope, energy consumption H2 cars are simply way too high.
Too inefficient and hydrogen production is a long way from zero emissions. It's a terrible idea for powering cars.
`the old Miria looked like a prius that was build in minecraft` best line on the internet 🤣
Nice presentation. I am glad that Toyota and Hyundai are still working on the technology, after Mercedes decided to simply toss decades of research and a huge advantage out the window because you can't sell it this quater.
Once renewable energy rollout reaches a point where long time storage and long distance transport become common, so will hydrogen. No idea when that is going to happen, since ther eis few countries really pushing forwards, but it works and makes sense in the context of a future energy market.
Daimler is doing FV semis.
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@@paulbedichek2679 The newly separated truck division is cooperating with Volvo on developing a vehicle. But my guess is they will buy the actualy FC from EKPO or Bosch.
VW and Honda have abandoned it too. It doesn't work, it looked like it could be a contender 15 years ago, but battery tech have made it all but irrelevant for cars.
@@mikeedwards350 In the context of our current energy grid, I would agree. For cars at least. But I highly doubt it will stay that way once the trade with green energy takes off. I doubt we will cover all of europe in Solar to provide electricity when we can just place those panels in 10x better spots and import that energy cheaper than we can make it here. Then the FC may have a big comeback.
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I guess mat watches drive tribe and grand tour and plays minecraft on his 7.6 inch screen of his galaxy z fold 2 lol 😂
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Yea not having hydrogen fuel pump stations near is a deal breaker. Hopefully 100 years from now if we run out of gas and all gas stations are converted to a hydrogen station then I can see myself buying this car.
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That carbon fiber stick of truth looks like Harry Potter's wand..😂
Sounds like hydrogen is a bad idea complex mechanics to service vs an electric car. Limited infrastructure and not cheap.
You forget the lithium problem of evs
@@thebrowns5337 it still has batteries. It's an EV with added 10,000psi bomb and plumbing.
Big brain thought. Some people say electric is the way forward with batteries. Some say due to lithium shortage hydrogen is the way. Toyota should next release an electric hydrogen hybrid. So if a hydrogen fill-up is a while away you could have a plug in option to get you there on electric power.
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This is future.. Much efficient and practical.. Give it time to grow, you will see.. Btw, good luck EV for long range..
Solid state batteries will solve the range issue for EV's...... Oh, and hydrogen is far from efficient. The Mirai runs at around 23 to 24% efficiency, which is *less* than some ICE's....
@@Brian-om2hh Still, better than EV craps 🤣
Good job toyota, I can't wait to drop over 50K for an Avalon, that is going to be more expensive than gasoline to deliver 4cyl camry power.
As we all know, an atom consists of a nucleus and electron right? The way the Fuel Cell works is by using a special membrane that separates them, in which hydrogen is the easiest as it just consist of a proton and an electron, "forcing" the electron to flow through the electrical circuit before it can merge back with the protons (or nucleuses) and react with oxygen on the other side to create water.
Although it's very unlikely the protons will meet the same electrons as the flow of electrons inside a circuit is actually about 40x slower than snail. The electric current might be near the speed of light, but the electrons are not.
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Mat is the Stick of Truth personified, how dare car manufacturers send their cars to get the bashing.
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so the conclusion is hydrogen cars are like humans because they car inhale and exhale air and urinate😂😂
Humans exhale CO2.
If only hydrogen cars were like plants: take in CO2 and release oxygen. That would be nice.
Matt is correct that Toyota evolves its 'projects' through to production and sales (not its constant engine refinements and hybrid development until it is ready) and this explains why the Mirai is a niche product, expensive but individual cars will last for ages.
Mr Toyoda plainly said years ago that the future would be hydrogen IC -- as his grandfather had tested in the 1930s -- but that EVs would be a necessary experiment for a single economic generation (= 20 years from manufacture to landfill or recycling). Sino-Japanese economists undertook a vast parallel survey of motor vehicle needs many years ago which predicted the EV stampede (especially in the USA and western Europe) but a majority of vehicles being hybrids, using petroleum in the short term but quickly changing to hydrogen of various "colors" or a hydrogen carrier such as ammonia.
The Mirai's hydrogen cell experiment was a necessity for the industry for trial in the real world and when gaseous hydrogen pumps become common in service stations these will be able to be topped up alongside hydrogen hybrid IC vehicles.
Hydrogen fuels (quite a variety including ammonia hydrogen on heavy vehicles and plant equipment where sustained raw power is less important than responsiveness) will be delivered to filling stations in the same was as is 'normal' fuels, whereas EV chargers are a different matter and (mostly oil) company owners of these stations in the USA have proved to be unenthusiastic. This is partly due to electric companies being inconsistent and failing to maintain lines. The USA does not have a grid system as such. States legislation and red tape also hold up EV charging as a viable nationwide prospect.
Hydrogen fuels distribution will be largely co-owned by existing fuel companies in the USA but there will be more freedom of enterprise in Europe and Asia.
Hydrogen of different grades ('colors') is a byproduct of many industrial processes on all inhabited continents and some surprising countries use their climates and resources to make gaseous hydrogen as a primary product. The really big producers, however, are Russia and the CIS, China, Indonesia, Spain, some Nordic states, Australia and Brazil. Canada finances many of these producers as production at home is a challenge. Japan buys hydrogen from Russia and currently disputed islands between the two countries are being considered as energy producing co-hubs. The thinking here seems to include fueling vessels for the Arctic seaways with grades of hydrogen being byproducts for domestic and export markets and is diplomatically advanced. The ships are likely to use ammonia or a blend to fulfil spill agreements in a delicate ecosystem.
I would rather upgrade to a hydrogen fuel cell car rather than full electric. However, the only thing putting me off is the lack of an infrastructure for hydrogen fuel availability.
It doesn’t makes sense to carry around a complete power plant to produce electricity when battery tec is becoming so good. The efficiency of hydrogen isn’t very good, producing the electric power central and Store it in cars battery makes more sense to me
@@johannesfranck1770 I admit battery tech has improved. But if companies invested that much on hydrogen, the quality would also improve over time. Besides, hydrogen fuel has a similar drive range as combustion engines and fuelling times are also just as quick. If battery cars have quicker charging times and better range, without the hefty price tag, then I'd definitely consider one.
@@abu269 Johannes is correct. HFC cars are actually evs with their small battery charged by the fuel cell. The fuel cell cannot provide the instantaneous current needed for acceleration.
These are complex cars with the tiny drive battery being constantly thrashed, with deep discharge. The drive battery will probably only last 100k kms. Then the fuel cell membrane will likely also need replacing in 100k kms and the other additional maintence required that pure evs do not have. A HFC car will be expensive to maintain, and likely be a throw away after 100k kms.
In addtion, 3-5x more renewable electricity needs to be generated to provide the same power at the wheels for a HCF car than is needed to provide the same power at the wheels for a pure ev.
And packaging is also an issue for HFC cars - all those systems need to go somewhere in the car.
Then there is the infrastructure issue.
@@nordic5490 Wow! A very comprehensive explanation. Many thanks. So what would you think is the better long term solution (if HFC had a better infrastructure)? I can't imagine HGVs/lorries being battery powered. They are heavy enough as it is. Is there another alternative?
Fun Fact: Mat actually has a Bachelor of Science in Chemistry.
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I'm quite surprised to hear that. It is a pity he couldn't balance that out with a little more maturity though..... Sometimes the way he often jabs buttons, and forcefully twiddles knobs really irks me. He is at times rather like an 8 year old, attempting to see how much force it actually takes to break things..... I kind of get the feeling he'd do the same if he was a passenger in a car too..... His reviews are informative though. I just wish he'd cut back on the impishness/immaturity a touch.
@@Brian-om2hh your lack of fun is giving we Brians a reputation for being dull. You are neither the messiah nor a naughty boy
Could have fooled me.....
I'm very excited about the potential for Hydrogen!! Electric seems to be quite "fashionable"... Hydrogen seems like it's really a new, different, interesting fuel source!
But very inefficient...
New?? General Motors were trying to push hydrogen over 40 years ago! The main problem with hydrogen production is it's inefficiency. You use more energy producing it than you extract from it.....
It's not new. General Motors were blowing hydrogen's trumpet 40+ years ago......
Considering hydrogen electric technology is relatively new and only Toyota and Hyundai are giving it a go. I hope they make it more cost efficient in the Future. This is the future no refueling time. No heavy batteries. It just needs to be investigated and funded better.
It will always remain terribly inefficient.
@@Simon-dm8zv let's wait and see and let the future say.
@@psychoticcapybara9362 The future will not change laws of physics. Hydrogen cars were inefficient 20 years ago and they still are.
@@Simon-dm8zv how negative. Let technology advance . Things will change 10 years ago the range electric cars was barely 100 miles they were terrible and took forever to recharge. Look at them now. But that's years of research and investment. The phones we carry in our pockets are more powerful than the computers that were used during the Apollo missions. Technology advances have some faith. Hydrogen is an incredible solution it recharges fast. It keeps the weight to a minimum and it's not exactly explosive . So I would like to see this technology surpass the battery. I'm pretty sure it will in the future. But if it doesn't something else will. Cause we have to keep advancing and believing there's always something better.
@@psychoticcapybara9362 You are mixing up technological advancement and laws of physics. EVs have been efficient from day one due to physics, but lacked in range and charging speed. Both things were fixed by improving the technology.
Hydrogen cars will always remain far less efficient than battery electric cars because producing, compressing, transporting and converting hydrogen is paired with a lot of losses. Improvement is possible, but elimination of these steps is not. It's that simple.
I looked into the Mirai
Toyota even gives you three years of free hydrogen, which is PERFECT if you plan on doing a 36 month term lease
The problem is, even in New York and California there’s very few stations and it makes it almost imposs
No stations for FCV in NY Ca has plenty,Germany leads with stations lets have a video about Germans buying the Mirai,of course they love to burn coal,so maybe not.
The next (very obvious) step is the upcoming plug-in hydrogen cars Toyota is launching in 2023. You charge at home for your commute, use hydrogen only on road trips. Still needs more stations, but way fewer.
@@joa8593 Or, you know, just get a BEV. Hydrogen is a dead end.
@@Jeremy-mc2ut I wanted to get a BEV, but it isn't practical for my driving pattern or living situation, it's not even an option so I currently own a hybrid. Maybe years from now if ev charging stations become ubiquitous at apartments and hotels, but if you do that the recharging infrastructure is even more costly than hydrogen. It's really only for people with both detached homes and daily commutes.
@@joa8593 Many hotels already have destination charges. And why not use superchargers on the way if you need to?
You think building new hydrogen filling stations all across the country is going to be easier than rolling out more super chargers and destination chargers? Hydrogen is just not practical to handle, transport or store on that scale. Plus it's very inefficient compared to charging with electricity.
This is the future of Automobiles. Well Done Toyota and thanks to CarWOW team for this review.
However would have liked to see the safety features of the car especially relating to the hydrogen stored during a crash.
This car looks great, but youre COMPLETELY wrong and it really shows why FCEVs arent the future. Its a reason why other large car manifacturers like GM dropped hydrogen in the late 90`s. Hydrogen stations costs 40 times more to build than charging stations, producing hydrogen is worse for environment than producing petrol and diesel while being extremely expensive to produce, filling the car up costs as much if not more than filling up a petrol or diesel vehicle, hydrogen still has to be transported with trucks like diesel and petrol while electricity dont, the car itself is to expensive for what it gets you, its not as quick as pretty much every other EV in its price class, its got less interior space, rear seats cant be folded down because of the tanks, it has a transmission tunnel as well because of the tanks and the fuel cell takes up all the space in the frunk which couldve been used for storage. Fuel cell will never be the future for personal vehicles, literally never. it might be for ships semi trucks and planes, but it isnt for personal vehicles.
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It is. It seems you missed some episodes...
Lol urinating car. 😂; could be useful for commercial vehicles.
Fuel Cell and Hydrogen ICE powertrains could be the sucessor of the Diesel engine. With advantages to BEVs as bigger range, quicker refuel, more cheaper to produce, and bigger payload.
Yeah, the quicker refuel itself is a major advantage against ev
Manufacturing & transporting and storing hydrogen is not as practical.
It's expensive to manufacture...
Difficult to store as it is very light...
Transporting isn't easy either.
@@abi.hockeycop but still has a less Environmental impact, not needing to use big battery packs, that demand intensive mining and not very suitable to be fully recycled. You got the Smartphone industry as an example. Add to that, structural battery packs, that once too degraded, it totaled the car to the scrapyard.
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Sure...
But who's gonna bare the cost of building the entire fuel infrastructure?
Making hydrogen is very expensive...storing much harder...& Then refueling isn't cheap either.
Companies will go bankrupt.
@@abi.hockeycop it was the same with evs until tesla came around and changed everything. Hydrogen cars is the best of both worlds, fuel infrastructure will come with time and the costs will be lowered, its an investment for the future. Evs will only get more expensive from now on, which is not the case for hydrogen cars.