Sir, Kaka Iralu . With most humble. I want to ask u a question on what you said on the debate. I being a Naga from Myanmar. Do u really mean that the peace doesn’t include the Nagas in Myanmar? Then what were we fighting for so long? So r u going to leve us like that? Actually if u r fighting for the batter future of Nagas we living in the Myanmar r the one who is suffering the most without benefits from anywhere. Can you answer me please?
Come on guys, there is nothing to do with the land when you die.... Instead prefer peace ful coexistence, and no state is created on community basis, nscm im does not represent all the nagas, peace be with you to all the communities.
*THE ORIGIN OF NAGAS* The Nagas as we know them today are actually a disparate conglomeration of mountain tribes inhabiting the Patkai mountain ranges in the north eastern region of India. Each tribe is distinctly different from the other even in terms of racial features and mannerisms. The most outstanding disparity between the various Naga tribes would be in their linguistic dialects. One village situated on a hilltop can see the next tribe settled on another hilltop. They would have been living in visible proximity for ages and yet there would not be a common word between the languages. This is true of all the present day naga tribes and even between the sub tribes. Lifestyle, way of living, food habits and cloth designs are largely determined by geographical conditions. It goes to reason that people living in the same geographical area would develop similar habits, culture and by way of copying and imitation, they would gravitate towards some homogeneity. However, the one obviously notable fact that undermines this outward similarity is the languages that have remained distinctly different from each other. It appears that, all the years before the modern age, the various Naga tribes never communicated with each other and perhaps never needed to. The number of distinctly different languages in such a small and compact geographical area is truly remarkable and demands many answers. One clear-cut conclusion that can be drawn from the above facts and circumstances is that, the Naga tribes, as we know them today, were never one homogenous group of people who migrated together or came to the region as a result of a singular cause and effect. More likely, they were different groups of people who arrived at different times, from different directions and due to varied reasons. Another undeniable fact is that the disparate group of hill tribesmen were known as Naga not until they reached their present location. The reason for this surmise is the plain and simple fact that the term Naga is primarily a Sanskrit root-word, and was used by the Sanskritic plainsmen of Bengal and of the Brahmaputra valley with reference to the hill tribesmen of the eastern hills who were largely unclad and hostile. To say therefore that they were one homogeneous group who migrated from the same direction due to one certain cause and effect and arrived together, is difficult to intellectually digest. In fact it would not be untrue to suggest that the migration of such miscellaneous groups of people was a continuous though perhaps sporadic one, and continues to this day. The Nagas are therefore not a homogenous group of people. Each of them are ethnically different from the other. It remains a matter of great curiosity as to how such diverse tribesmen came to find refuge together in such a compact geographical area, lived alongside each other for centuries, and yet maintaining their starkly different linguistic identities intact and uncontaminated all the while. It is only in the modern era that the western anthropologists grouped them under the miscellaneous classification of the Naga nomenclature. Even though there is no specific definition of the term ‘Naga’ and the characteristics it encompasses, the term itself is the only binding factor that bundles all such miscellaneous hill tribes together. Other than that it is obvious that each of them came from separate ways, due to separate reasons. Some may have come due to natural disasters such as floods and earthquakes, others may have come in search of safety and refuge from wars or stronger enemies. They came from different directions, in different periods and due to different reasons. They were not ethnically one group of people. It is only doltishness for anybody to even suggest that anybody crawled out of the ground or crawled out from cracks and fissures of mountain rocks. Everybody came from somewhere!!!
politics is a dirty game. Today we argue and abuse each other here because we think we all have rights to our homeland. But as soon as we step out of the NorthEast we begin to face the same problems from other parts of India. they see us differently, they all (mis)treat us the same. there is a prevailing prejudice to a certain limit about us, right from our physical appearances to our food, to the clothes we wear. we fight and claim "we are indians too" outside of our respective states while we segregate ourselves in our own states.Many things unite us, let not this divide us. let us not be mere peace-lovers but peace-makers.Dust we are made of and dust we shall all return to.
Look I'm a Tangkhul and I don't hate the Meiteis. I see the Meiteis as our best friends and business partners and I love them. As the history says we were once brothers. But the situation has changed ever since the meitei Brothers betrayed their Tangkhul brothers and signed on the constitution that they accept to be part of the government. Let politics take its course but normal citizens shouldn't give in to hatred cuz in the end we're neighbour's so it'll be of mutual benefit if the Meiteis and other tribes in Manipur maintain good relation. Cuz we've always been interdependent to each others. We should work together and bring development in our place. There's no benefit in pulling down your brothers cuz we are far behind compared to other countries. And the cause of greater Nagalim will not affect you commoners, the corrupted politicians are just worried about it cuz they'll have less money to extort from. The commoners should really stop focusing on politics and focus on economics instead cuz in the end politicians don't care about you. They'll promise a list full but will hardly deliver 3. Cuz the fact is that politics has become a business for the rich. Rich Ministers stand for election to become richer and the followers blindly defend them knowingly. Wake up and face the truth. It's because of the public that corruption is abundant in Manipur.
thechemicals how can tangkhuls and meetei be brothers. Meetei were a very advance society they have kings they have their own script there own religion since the 15 th 16th century their custure culture and trafitions are totally different from Tangkhul. Thangkhuls were headhunters and every village has their own language they were a tribal barbaric until william petigrew come to manipur in 18th century. While the meetei already have kingdoms in 14th 15th century and you said that meetei and nagas are brothers😂😂😂 shame on you bro.
Beautiful life haha yes shame on me if my words harm the wellbeing of the people but I prefer to look at the bigger picture which is to promote oneness and love within the ethnics who would play a major role in each others lives. I don't know if it's really true that the meiteis & Tangkhuls were brothers but that's what I heard from elders. But I love it because it brings the two ethnic closer to each other. We as the younger generation needs to eradicate this feeling of discontent and hatred which infects some of our peoples heart. Cuz in the end of the day were all people trying to live our life and life is much better when there's peace and love.
India Invaded Nagalim (Naga Hills) - Most Terrifying Story Kept Hidden For Years The Naga people originally came from Mongolia, migrating to the present Nagalim (Naga Hills) as early as 10th century BC. The British colonial regime invaded western part of Naga Hills (Now India part of Nagalim) in 1832. And in 1881 it was declared a British District. It is believed that the British never reach the eastern part of Nagalim (Now Burma part of Nagalim) until 1930. A memorandum was summited to the British government (Simon Commission) in 1929 by representative of the Nagas called “Naga Club” formed in 1918 for constitutional reform. Nagas clearly stated to the British about its sovereignty in 1929 and also in 1946-47. It was clearly stated that Naga will remain an independent nation, and do not wish to join the Dominion of India. The Naga National Council (NNC), founded in 1946, claimed an independent and sovereign state for Nagalim and declared independence on August 14, 1947, as the British withdrew from their territory, and one day before India became independent. Nagalim was not part of the Indian Union at the time of India’s independence. Therefore, Nagalim is not part of India. But India invaded Nagalim shortly after its independence. India fights against the colonialist British but soon became a colonial state when India was liberated from the British colonial and became free nation. An agreement was signed by the NNC with the government of India called "The Nine Point Agreement". This agreement recognized the right of self-determination of the Naga people, stating that ‘The right of the Nagas to develop themselves according to their freely expressed whishes is recognized’. The government of India was to have a special responsibility for a period of ten years to ensure the due observance of the agreement. At the end of that period, 10 years, the Nagas would be free to decide whether they want to join the Union of India or be free. However, on November 9, 1949, India revoked the agreement unilaterally, stating that the Indian Government no longer considered the agreement valid. U Nu (the first prime minister of Burma) and Jawaharlal Nehru (the first prime minister of India) visited Nagaland on March 30th, 1953 on their own initiative without being invited. In protest, for disrespecting the Naga’s sovereignty, Naga people walked out of the meeting in mass to the last man. Nehru was very much humiliated and deeply disappointed, and in April 1953, the Government of India started ruthless political persecution, including mass arrests, torture, and terrorizing against the Nagas. On April 13, 1953, the Indian Government even gave instructions to the Indian Armed Forces in Naga Hills to rape Naga women. A letter of protest was subsequently sent to the Prime Minister of India against this abominable instruction. Nehru and U Nu agreed upon to take control over Nagalim - Eastern part of Nagalim to be controlled by Burma, and Western part by India. Jawaharlal Nehru, the Indian historian and the author of Glimpses of World History had stated that “By the tribal areas, we mean those long stretches of land between Burma and India which belongs neither to India or Burma or any other foreign powers”. However after India’s independence and realizing the advantage of an enlarged territory, he had made a full turnabout and insisted that all the British territories were now Indian Territory. Mahatma Gandhi, the father of Indian nation had stated that “Nagas have every right to be independent”. NNC formed Federal Republic of Nagalim in 1956. In response, the Government of India enacted the Armed Forces Act and conducted military operation in all the Nagas inhabited areas. Gandhi’s doctrine of non-violence was no longer upheld after its independence. Thousands of houses, churches and schools were burnt down and dismantled. Innocent civilians were reportedly tortured by high ranking army officers up to the extent of burying alive after third degree torture. Pregnant women were kicked and abused and were reportedly forced to give birth in front of the Jawans. Hundreds of villages were burnt down. Almost the whole population was driven into jungles where they live on roots and leaves without medical care. Thousands died of starvation and diseases. Village headmen were blindfolded and executed with their hands tied behind their backs. Many strong men were hung upside-down to death and even raosted alive. Many were locked-up and put to death of hunger. Many women were raped on the pulpit inside the Holy Church. Many men were tied-up and forced to watch their wives and daughters being raped by the Indian army. Even men were sexually abused at gun-point. Many innocent young men were brutally executed and chopped off their heads mercilessly one after another. Lt. Pogholo of Matikhrii village was one of the victims whose head was chopped off along with 8 others villagers on 6th of Sept 1960. The brutality and horrific execution by the Indian army was beyond imaginable and pardonable. Young women were raped in front of their village elders. A beautiful young lady called Rose from a Tangkhul Naga community was one the victims, among many. Eventually Nagaland state, a small part of India part of Nagalim (Naga Hills) was created in 1963. Today Nagas are divided as - Myanmar Nagas and India Nagas. The Nagas in India are further divided as Nagaland Nagas, Manipur Nagas, Arunachal Nagas and Assam Nagas. Unlike the Naga, the Meitei on 15th October 1949, by Maharaja Bodha Chandra Singh, ceded “full and exclusive authority, jurisdiction and powers for and in relation to the governance of the State” to Dominion Government of India through the Manipur Merger Agreement, signed on 21st September 1949. And the actual size/area of Manipur that was agreed upon to merge with India was less than 2000 square kilometers. But today, Manipur have an area of 22,327 km², out of which more than 20,000+ km2 still belongs to the Nagas. Dividing the Nagas into pieces was India’s policy to weaken them. But the birthrights of the Nagas can never be taken away by any mighty power on earth so long as the Nagas stand united by heart and blood. More than 250000+ Nagas has being killed. But all the atrocities and killings were kept hidden from the outside world until today. It is time for the world to come and save the Nagas from the heinousness of India terrorizing a weaker nation. Nagas can no more bear the brutalities of the Indian army. In the eyes of the Nagas, the Indian army is the real terrorist and threats to peaceful co-existence. God Bless Nagalim! KUKNALIM!
Self style history...lol...great attempt to create a unique history of nagas....wonderful....lol...lol...😂😂😂😂....tell ur history to ur boss called MUIHVA...he will really appreciate u...but dont tell such self style history to others...people will laugh at u....lol...lol....i come across the funniest person ever in my life...lol...
@@alsonngambom09 He is from Harvard. Do some research before commenting. And for your information being weak in speaking doesn't mean lack of knowledge!
If the Tangkuls and the Meiteis are brothers, than it's clear that the Nagas are the outsiders. Even the Naga leader Kaka Eralu has clearly mentioned on it that the Tangkhul and Meitei are brothers. And I would like to challenge that there is no facts or records that proves that theTangkul belongs to a Naga Community.
So long the Nagas of the Nagaland have not been able to actively fight for our brethrens in different regions. We remember you all. You are not forgotten. Time forced us to seek stability first, then peace after that cease fire. Then came the political talks and at last managed to force all the parties and factions (except one) into the talk. We have spend decades and decades trying to Walk the good walk. We have walk the peaceful way. We have honoured the GOI decisions. We stayed calmed when our neighbours provoked us. Watch for the signs and seasons. Our time is coming. The Nagas in A.P, manipur and other parts are the most backward, in all of their respective states. We are been communally targeted, subjugated and mistreated. This is nothing but hardcore racism and indirect racial cleanings. Like the majority white in the states categorically attacked the Africans Americans, mainlander Hindu's are doing to us. What is our's may always be ours. It's painful to see our brothers struggle for survival. We have Assam who's map get larger every single night. They have issues with Mizos, Nagas, Arunachals and almost anyone sharing broader with them. These is all a clever set up. We need UN to interventions. Justice and rights in India is measured in terms of their faith, religion and racial features. We minorities will never get even our basic right under communal and racist India. Had we look like the mainlanders and practiced Hinduism. Everything would be roses and sunshine. No men should be discriminated mistreated based on their faith and skin color. Had the Nagas and the Mizo's did what Assam do everyday there would have been National emergency. Beware the wrath of the calm man.
Mr.kaka D. Iralu should be ask more questions in future because he knows more about the history of the Naga's and it's neighbours... We all have the liberty to make an argument but first we need to know all the history of our people as well as our neighbours before making any argument..
There's no Naga in Manipur that's what the meiteis said and that's what we the Nagas agreed beacause we Nagas are not living in your land we are dwelling in our own land.
laishram devkumar your comment doesn't doesn't make any sense to me...if you understand what I mean in my comment that's what i count...and it's good that you understand it.
It's ridiculous that non nagas are asked whether Nagas will be satisfied with the Naga Peace Accord!Nagas alone have the answer to that very question! And mind you(Meitei representative), it is shameful on your part to cite the example of ENPO in Nagaland which is exclusively of local affairs in Nagaland. Nagas are one as much as you think meiteis are one when we fight for own respective rights.Nagas cannot be fooled by meiteis in any way.
Meitei and naga r brothers but we are different ......we hve devided land, different culture , distinct complexion, different food habit,different language .......we are naga .......n u r meitei ...tooo defferent......just like the night and the day......
If u go to any offices in Manipur u'll see 70% belonging to Meitei community n tey call us Hao (uncivilized) so I hate to b with general people....even DGP,Chief Secretary of Manipur shud b posted according to IAS n IPS seniority but Meitei Govt.transfer those IAS n IPS Tangkhuls to NE which is bias n most of them r MeiteiS only except few tribals like Kukis
One should understand that land belongs to state and not to communities. If communities start claiming ownership to land, then there will be endless conflict among communities throughout the entire country.
People and community living together form the state. Some States were form without proper consent of the people. Example, Manipur was form after British left India. Before, the British rule the meeteis, Nagas and kukis were never together. They live in their own ancestors land. The land of the Nagas were never a land of Manipur government. The land belongs to people who live there for a thousand years. Meetei people or Kuki people doesn't have any right to object the ambition of Naga people wanting to live separately or under different administration. The state of Manipur is created by the government of India for better or convenient administration.
Nagaland is for the people Naga all nagas will live in nagaland muiva also will live in nagaland but tangkhul will live in Manipur they are all manipuries
@@kuberkhundrakpam6223 haha we don’t wanna to liv with meitei people,you meitei want to become naga.the word kacha naga is for meitei for future.we Nagas will call kacha naga to meitei one day 🤣🤣🤣
Wake up Meitei's! It is right steps for you to support Naga's Accord and live free like a man, how long will you like to live under the dominant of Mayang.. opposing the naga Accord will be negative impact for Meitei's ..we need to work together for our future. We are living under brothers in arms if we oppose each other other will take advantage.
*THE ORIGIN OF NAGAS* The Nagas as we know them today are actually a disparate conglomeration of mountain tribes inhabiting the Patkai mountain ranges in the north eastern region of India. Each tribe is distinctly different from the other even in terms of racial features and mannerisms. The most outstanding disparity between the various Naga tribes would be in their linguistic dialects. One village situated on a hilltop can see the next tribe settled on another hilltop. They would have been living in visible proximity for ages and yet there would not be a common word between the languages. This is true of all the present day naga tribes and even between the sub tribes. Lifestyle, way of living, food habits and cloth designs are largely determined by geographical conditions. It goes to reason that people living in the same geographical area would develop similar habits, culture and by way of copying and imitation, they would gravitate towards some homogeneity. However, the one obviously notable fact that undermines this outward similarity is the languages that have remained distinctly different from each other. It appears that, all the years before the modern age, the various Naga tribes never communicated with each other and perhaps never needed to. The number of distinctly different languages in such a small and compact geographical area is truly remarkable and demands many answers. One clear-cut conclusion that can be drawn from the above facts and circumstances is that, the Naga tribes, as we know them today, were never one homogenous group of people who migrated together or came to the region as a result of a singular cause and effect. More likely, they were different groups of people who arrived at different times, from different directions and due to varied reasons. Another undeniable fact is that the disparate group of hill tribesmen were known as Naga not until they reached their present location. The reason for this surmise is the plain and simple fact that the term Naga is primarily a Sanskrit root-word, and was used by the Sanskritic plainsmen of Bengal and of the Brahmaputra valley with reference to the hill tribesmen of the eastern hills who were largely unclad and hostile. To say therefore that they were one homogeneous group who migrated from the same direction due to one certain cause and effect and arrived together, is difficult to intellectually digest. In fact it would not be untrue to suggest that the migration of such miscellaneous groups of people was a continuous though perhaps sporadic one, and continues to this day. The Nagas are therefore not a homogenous group of people. Each of them are ethnically different from the other. It remains a matter of great curiosity as to how such diverse tribesmen came to find refuge together in such a compact geographical area, lived alongside each other for centuries, and yet maintaining their starkly different linguistic identities intact and uncontaminated all the while. It is only in the modern era that the western anthropologists grouped them under the miscellaneous classification of the Naga nomenclature. Even though there is no specific definition of the term ‘Naga’ and the characteristics it encompasses, the term itself is the only binding factor that bundles all such miscellaneous hill tribes together. Other than that it is obvious that each of them came from separate ways, due to separate reasons. Some may have come due to natural disasters such as floods and earthquakes, others may have come in search of safety and refuge from wars or stronger enemies. They came from different directions, in different periods and due to different reasons. They were not ethnically one group of people. It is only doltishness for anybody to even suggest that anybody crawled out of the ground or crawled out from cracks and fissures of mountain rocks. Everybody came from somewhere!!!
We in Manipur and perhaps every sane citizens of the planet trust one thing and one thing only that this fictious tribal state called Nagaland must be abolished for good of all mankind. The so called temporary tribes Nagas are enjoying a per capita budget allocation even more than USA. In short a state which has not produced a single scientist is enjoying higher percapita than the richest nation on earth US. So, India being a poor country must stop subsidizing fictitious tribal states like Mijoram and Nagaland etc. Its a sink to India's economy.
These issues were planted by Nehru an S. Patel, that meiteis cannot buy or live in the hills but the tribals can buy and settle in the plains. If not we would have lived peacefully with better connectivity.
Games_Bond if you wanna buy land and live in the hills do one thing shift all offices to the hills and only then your wish shall be granted. And even this thing , territory issue was planted by Nehru .If lands were given to the right owners none would have happen.Manipur would have consisted of Imphal east and west, Bishnupur and Thoubal only. And tribal lands have been sovereign from time immemorial and no Meitei kings or meiteis have had the right to claim it hence once again proving that it doesnt belong to them. Keep one thing in mind you cannot have all the best things in life.You get something you lose the other. Give people what is theirs and respect it
My dear brother naga from ma nipur is there any authentic map for naga manipur if so your demand might be true. I feel ashamed of you for naga of Manipur to make wrong with without thinking your prospective.
Not at all satisfied with the debate here. Look at the terms used in the discussion, which is misleading and totally unacceptable. The Nagas in Manipur has always wanted to be apart of Naga integration more than anything, and it is the Meiteis who are against it. Therefore, do not use the phrases like "Manipur does not want Naga integration" because it is the Meitei not the Nagas, therefore not Manipur. The Nagas in Manipur has no voice in all aspects, despite our screams and demands for equality; thousands of deaths for raising our voices. It was mentioned here that the lands inhabitated by Nagas belongs to the Nagas, and not to meiteis, and Nagas are divided without our consent to different states of India. The question is , why are the Meiteis so much against the unification of Nagas even though we we do not intend to take an inch of land from the meiteis?? For so long, Nagas are subjugated, discriminated in the state of Manipur and if the Nagas desire to abandon the name "Manipur" for good, let us be. One irony is, Manipur state covers an area of 22,327 square kilometres and has a population of almost 3 million, with only 20% of the area belongs to Meiteis, and the rest belongs to Nagas and other tribal communities. Yet only 19 seats of the Manipur legislative Assembly belongs to the tribals, 40 seats just for the Meiteis. Likewise, in every spheres of work, educational, public and governmental institutions, the meiteis enjoys 80% of the positions. So tell me how and in what way has the Nagas (or other tribals like Kuki) offended the Meitei community by erasing the name " Manipur" from our identity that is being tag to us by force?
If you really wants to integrate than move away from Manipur and integrate elsewhere but you can't destroy the peaceful fabric of Sanaleibak . You have mentioned that you don't have voice in Manipur n not treated equally . First of all ask to your leaders who live in Imphal for your rights for looting your money that the govt has granted for hill area development
@@ramanandamangang7098 you are the proof why we can't live under one/same administration. Stop blaming tribal official for not bringing development in hill areas. We all know the reality. All this problem occurred because of your selfishness. And stop mentioning about quota coz some of your kind are fighting for that (ST).
Kaka Iralu. What commoness does nagas and Manipuri nagas have. I dont find nothing in common. Language totally different. Even among the manipuri nagas like tangkhul Mao Zalengrong has nothing in common. Tangkhuls are not counted as nagas in nagaland. They cannot buy or own a house or land in nagaland.
To all my meitei friends, please understand that the present state boundary is not a historical boundary of any community or kingdom. It is a thing of a recent past which has been altered or carved based on the political situation.
I am from Nagaland but i myself do not agree with the peace accord... its like a particular community migrated to a foreign land where at 1st they feel allienated... after 1000 yrs they claim for the foreign land as their own land... this could end up badly if this claim is accepted in the near future... m scared...
Dear Mr Bora You are right history could not be very very narrow. We have (Maniour) 33 AD broad history inclusive of all indigenous people. Yes, hill areas are concerned by Kings of Manipur time to time indirectly through village chief of tribe indigenous people's. History has proof.
Arong imchen What is the identity of Naga? All the different tribes of Nagaland are different (different languages and habits) and they were grouped as nagaland just because they didn't have any identity.
It is totally baseless argument 😂😂 just because you have resided and settled for decades doesn't give you right to claim the land or demand for different state. I am staying in Bangalore for 26years and my parents from past 40yrs.... This doesn't give me right to argue that Bangalore is Manipur. This is hights of tolerance. The brothers and sisters of Naga stay in the valley and have bought lands in valley. But, no Metei or Manipuri brother and sister have rights to buy land in the hill. Just because they have stayed in the valley for decades doesn't give right to claim the valley or Meitei area as there separate area or state. It is just political fight and leaders trying the "divide and rule" policy. Manipur is a small state, if there is so much of political tension and people hating and having bandh on regular base this results in just giving hard time to common people with every day life and work. They are good amount of Nagas residing and settled down in U. S, U. K, America and etc., so will they demand Nagas have been here from decades and we want this part of the country as Naga Land????? Insanity 😁😂😂 All the best if they are planning to do so hahaha...!!!!!
so according to your statement even manipur doesnt belong to manipuri people, incase if some immigration come and dominate manipur and later claim that it belong to them will you not look upon history ??? you call it your land and you dont even have a name but you called after we name it (for eg dziikou) we are not asking an inch of your belonging we are just claiming what belong to us, when the british came to india and rule india for centuries does it make them an ownership ?? indian people were weak back then but manage to claim their right, we may be weak now but its just the matter of time what belong to us belong to us no compromise, no begging.
jayashiri laishram The Nagas did not settle on your lands or anyone else' lands. We, including the Meiteis, migrated along the same route and happen to settle to our present settlements. And its not just for 26years of settlement or 40 years of settlement. We can trace our Naga history back to 33A.D. and we have been independant for all those centuries untill the Japanese and British came in the 19th-20th century. You just don't give shitty comments with your grain-size knowledge about Nagas.
@@dchakheni809 yes you may have a mountain high knowledge but what's the point when you don't have the ability to think or have thought process. The knowledge which does no good for society is no good. There are many small communities in India if the Naga community is today encouraged for different state then tomorrow many other communities may demand the same, more the partition, division, new states, different languages. Not just results in multiculturalism but also welcomes hatred among the people - cast, religion, language. If you say so, the Nagas have settled for centuries then how about the minority group Parsis do they demand for a separate state? No!! Because they know to live in harmony and believe in helping each other to grow and prosper. A mans greed and desire has no limit or bound. (-Buddha) We all should learn to live together in peace and harmony as one, in unity. Given a stick it can be broken easily, but given a bundle of stick its difficult to impossible to break with one's normal physical strength. If you still differ then God bless You child 👍😇
jayashiri laishram This is not a matter of "not thinking and processing knowledge". So much has happened in the last 60-100 years due to this issue, thousands lost their life and you're saying, we just haven't thought it through enough? Nagas have always wanted to live in peace and harmony between neighbours and believe me, even if there ever will be Greater Nagalim, the meiteis will always be our neighbour. Talking about living together in peace, how do one begin to explain the realities of lives in Manipur to narrow single minded fellow like you. The state covers an area of 22,327 square kilometres and has a population of almost 3 million. Out of that, 20% of the areas belongs to the meiteis and the rest are occupied by tribals. However, out of 60 seats in the Manipur legislative assembly, 40 seats are for the Meiteis alone, 1 seat for Nepali/Gen quota and just 19 seats for the tribals. Not just that, from govt. services to educational institutions, 75% of the seats are filled by Meiteis. All the central funds are concentrated only in Imphal, you now see that Imphal is even more developed than Guwahati. Look at the villages in hills districts with no proper schools, sanitation, health care, electricity, roads, water supply, etc etc. So many unemployed youths because we are asked to pay 10 lakhs for a post in primary teacher or 8 lakhs for the post of a peon/clerk and tribals do not have that kind of money. Now tell me, how do we live harmoniously when we are trampled, subjugated, discriminated in our own state? You talk about how the NE people are discriminated in the mainland India, yet take a look at your homeland. And why are you meiteis so much against the wishes of the Nagas? We only wanted to live amongst our own community and be treated equal. Is that so wrong? We are asking for Greater Nagalim means all the Naga inhabited areas comes under one state, and we do not wish to take an inch of your land. Am sure you're familiar with Indian history how there was no States like Manipur/Nagaland or any other prior to India's independence. You simply do not speak out against him before you put yourself in his shoe. All we want is to leave behind the name "Manipur" being tag to us by force by the govt of India and you meiteis can call your home as Meiteiland or kangleipak or whatever without us but just leave the Nagas out of your sick dirty politics. We do not want the name "Manipur" as our identity. Leave us for good and let us live as peaceful neighbours or you know there will never be peace in the so called "Manipur".
In the subtitle Manipur is shown as Money Poor. It's not good to see such mistake from a reputed media house, its name itself represents the entire North East.
Mamang Khongsai before nscin there is no nanga in Manipur.defferent type of tribal here like tangkul . U r homeless landless person ? Ur home is ur ancestors land try to understand BJP triy to finish communities on North East by war between us.and try to build only Hindu land a nation.not a union of state
Johnson please try avoid saying People of Manipur just truthfully say meitei and Kuki. Secondly avoid trying threats like unimaginable impact for we know very well how to deal with tricks played by people like you.
Problem of an Inch of land: the total area of present Manipur is 22,327 sq.km out of which the hill areas cover 20,126 sq.km and inhabited by the tribal people. The Tribal people (Nagas and Kukis) settles in the hill areas and the valley is dominated by the Meiteis. The Naga people live in their own land (Hill area) so as the Meitei in the valley. The dominant Meitei community who keep saying that 'not even an inch of land in Manipur will be given to the Nagas' is nothing more than to insult the Nagas. The Nagas' have been living in their own land since time immemorial. There is nothing such as smaller or greater Naga land. Wherever the Nagas are living for centuries, rightly the land belongs to them. If the Nagas have seized any part of land and Forrest that belongs to Meitei. I'm sure the Nagas will be Happy to return them. The Meitei ethnic must come out with concrete proof which village or parts of land of the Meitei have been seized by the Nagas in history of Manipur. We cant live together with like. Nagas in Manipur are not asking an inch of land that rightfully belongs to other communities. The Nagas are just pleading the govt of India and the Meitei to recognised and respect what is rightfully belongings to them since time immemorial . This can be done through readjustment of the existing state boundary under article 3 of Indian constitution... To be continued.....
One simple question to you . What will happen if all the biharis living all over India demand to central government that they wants the same as what Naga are asking for .
You are right on the issues, I hope that one day misunderstanding between us ( Nagas and Kukis) will came to an end. Then we will fight against toghether to those who try to snatch our land. 👍👍👍
As different tribes are living together under the terminology of nagas why can't we live together as manipuri irrespective of all different ethnicities in manipur just like we live together as an Indian in India in a wide perspective n reality.
The set up of this channel is same as that of republic TV and the anchor is totally copying the gesture , dressing , glasses of Arnab Goswami but gut is missing.
If Meiteis say that the hill-areas of Manipur belong to them, can they buy or sell anytime as they wish without the approval of Hill Village Council or Authority ?If so, who and where ? As far as I know, they r not allowed to do so since the land belongs to Nagas or Kukis.
Protected areas bro.. . U guys are lucky due to article 370 and 371 c series.. . But as far as I concerned, we meeteis don't want to live in hills and not want your land. In fact we guys respect you and give you all freedom to live anywhere as you like in Imphal. Bro we are not mean minded as you. We could have snatched your land by force but never did so inspite of majority coz we love you all as brother. But I want to say something, with this real hindu extrimist at the centre and what they have done to kashmir , you should atleast see the point and understand. Proud to say we meeteis never pick on you, discriminate, molest your sister, nothing. Cause we love and respect you guys. On the contrary, just see his rule one bharat one religion one Nation. Muslim region was made a UT region and this might happen to all. In that case what is your idea? Frankly speaking, even if you hate mayang also. They will never led u free bro. So forget meetei, naga, mizo, assamese. We all are North Eastern first and we all face discrimination abuse from mainland India. Its high time North eastern should demand for freedom altogether. But what u guys are planning to do may spread hatred to all community of indegenous North East people living here and this might result in communal war bro. Kindly I know you are educated so please don't blame only one community. Search for facts
Francis Yanthan not only the nagas Kukis are also living in nagaland assam tripura burma and mizoram. Like wise there are lots of meetei in assam silchar area and even in burma. There are lots of chakmas in mizoram assam arunachal pradesh. So think about it will it be really possible to unite all the nagas inhabited areas in from different states. What if the kukis mizo meetei chakma etc etc all claim that the area which they occipied in each ststes be integrated to their land. Will it be possible. How will you draw map
Beautiful life,like you said there are a lots of Indians living in Nagaland and many northeast States but that doesn't mean they should start claiming lands from their temporary residual places..There are a lots of nagas in Delhi but we never claim Delhi to be a part of greater nagalim..What we want is our original cultural ancestral land and people under one administration as an independent country..
Beautiful life,remember that the present boundaries are just created by the Indian govt. against the wishes of the nagas.......If you are a naga please think logically n critically n if you are meitie please unite the nagas.......
And Mr Sakshang, former President of ANSUM, you disgrace us with your speech. You couldn't even speak up and take a stand for your own right, yet how did you end up representing the Nagas in Manipur?
If the hills belongs to the Nagas ..why did the NSCN IM displaced and perpetrated genocide killings in the 90s who have been living since before the British came to India
Those who r talking against the dream of nagas jst go to all the hills district not even a single village road is blacktop jst go to hill n live there for a month u will see their suffering in every ground
Canny Nakhedei I understand u my frn. We all deserve to live good. In the near future I hope we all will be equalled having strong 💪 relationships. Love you like a brother. 💗
There r 3 tribes in manipur Meitei, Kuki n Naga. If we can't live together, it's better Naga of Manipur joined Nagaland and give kuki separate state and the valley of Manipur will remain as Meitei land.. Problem solve, simple..
All the Nagas from Manipur,Nagaland, Assam n Arunachal should be United, it's their right to form their own state n live under one banner..the political division of state should not kept dividing them forever.. There is nothing like the the map can't be redraw forever...Kuknalim ✌
Self proclaimed nagas in manipur is a Bonafide NAGA under Gun point of NSCN-IM,,,!! They need to remember that they once belongs to ASSAM as a district not even a kingdom like KANGLEIPAK
We the nagas has right to be accomplished Naga framework as soon as possible which has been keeping in pending since back British ruling and even now . Vive la nagas !!! Never give up
@@angelchuzho5587 nop bro.I wish you don't say that, we the arunachalis live in our own land. It is not right for you to say that you're gonna take your land back. We didn't occupy your land. We are living have been living in our land since the beginning and our land belongs to us and not you.
Living on Indian currency lol ! I got no problem when i use Indian currency to buy by needs also i don't have problm with living around Hindi Speaking people
Well in this issue No one can decide for the people of Nagaland It depends on every Naga community Or family living in Manipur whether they wish to join Nagaland or not ,meitie or Naga in Nagaland can't decide for them 'united we stand devided we fall' Long live kuknalim
Mr. Kaka iralu, seems to know more history about tangkhuls and meiteis of manipur as the tangkhuls of manipur needs to be reminded by a naga in Nagaland. I think the GOI must be tired of trying to resolve fightings between brothers who have irreconcilable difference. Pathetic, they don't want to accept the reality but wants to blame the GOI.
History and civilisation of Manipur (Kangleipak) dates back to several thousands of years in the BC. You can easily verify the fact by tracing the History and origin of Sagol Kangjei (Polo)
Just be kind brother meetei to have peace in future that's it. All things happen because of your selfishness towards the other community and now lately realizing that's they have larger potential than you.
Who gave meiteis the right to decide and determine on the future of the Nagas in Manipur? Better mind their own business.. Why force the Nagas to come into their ambit when they are unhappy with them?
Manipur is m'eitai land ,meitais have all the right to determine the future policies of all the people in manipur for it's sovereignty.Including the indigenious tribal in people ,Naga is just a political scheme label tag anyways .
Who the hell u r to divide this kingdom of manipur who has more then 2000 years of freedom history. The boundary of Manipur is made thousands yr back unlike the nagaland which born in just few decades ago.
History of the Meitei (Manipuri): In the past, Meitei kingdom was known as Kangleipak. Present name "Manipur" evolved along with the sanskritisation of Meitei population during the 18th century. The Meitei have a long history which dated back to 33AD. The Royal Chronicles known as "Cheitharon Kumpapa" has the Chronological order of Meitei Kings from first century till the late 1940s. However, with more confusion exist than clear evidences, here is much contestation on this claim. A noted Meitei scholar, O. Tomba Singh, in his book,"A Need To Rewrite Manipur History (1993)" opined that the record of Royal Chronicles is debatable because geological excavation suggest that the entire Manipur valley was under under till about 500 years ago. Prof. Jyotirmoy Roy, in his book, "History of Manipur 1973, wrote that although the sea receded (the present Loktak Lake) the valley portion of Manipur remained under water for a long time. If we are going to believe that the Meitei have settled some where else and migrated and settled at the present site in about 500 yrs ago. The Kangleipak kingdom was confined to Imphal Valley extending to Kabaw Valley which was later gifted to Burma. Past Relationships of the Meiteis and Nagas: Naga did not live under monarchical king like Meiteis, but each village existed as a sovereign and republic nation. Naga lived as free people and has very less contact with outside world. Unlike the Nagas, the Meitei often wage war with the neighbouring Kings such as the Burmese and Tripuri kings. Interestingly it is on record that the Nagas extended helping hand to the Meitei Maharajas in times of dangers and wars. In 1717-18 the Raja Garib Nawaz requested the Naga Chiefs to attacked Samjok. According to K.Gyanendra Singh, in his book "Security and Development: The political Economy of Insurgency in Manipur,2011,Raja Garib Nawaz was a man who practiced both Vaishnavism and Militarism. His constant effort had led him to develop cordial relationship with the Nagas. Again when the Burmese troops attacked and took possession of Kangleipak for seven years. all the Meitei men fled to the hills from the valley for safety. During this seven years' devastation (chahi-tarek khuntakpa, (1819-1826), the Tangkhul Nagas generously gave shelter to the Meitei brothers.(see Prof. Jyotirmoy Roy, "History of Manipur" (1973). Probably some Meiteis settled there in Ukhrul district. In this context, it is not difficult to understand why Meitei consider Tangkhul as Elder Brother. In appreciation of this humane gesture, the Tangkhul Nagas were given prominent place in some of Meitei religious ceremony even today. When Nagas had given their best for the protection of Meitei kingdom, should not Meitei reciprocate the Nagas with the same good gesture today? Nagas I Manipur State: although Nagas do not have their own written record, their oral traditions pointed out that they were the first settler in Manipur. T.C. Hudson, in his book"The Naga Tribes of Manipur,1996(reprint) also mentioned that the Nagas were well settled than their counterpart in the valley.. However due to topographical Location, the Meitei had rapidly develop themselves. Cutting short the story, the coming of the British to Manipur has collosal impact on the Sovereign right of the Nagas. The British helped the Meitei to drive out the Burmese. Gambhir Singh was made the ruler of Manipur. By 1872, the British along with the combined forces of Raja Gambhir Singh began to intrude into Naga territory. However, in 1891, war broke out between the British and the Meiteis. The Meiteis were defeated and British took control of the whole Manipur. The British main interest I. Naga areas was to collect taxes and use them as Porter's.it allowed the Meitei Raja to conquer some of the land of the Nagas on the condition that Meitei Raja would help the troops of the British to go to Burma without any hindrance. Later on, this has resulted to the Naga Raj movement by the Zelianrong Nagas in Manipur. The British knowing fully that the Meteis and the Nagas were of different ethnic communities kept them under different administration. According to N.Ibobi Singh, the hill territory was separated from the general administration on the plea 'the hill people are not manipuris and have entirely different customs and languages,(The Manipur Administration 1707-1907). The distinct identity of the Nagas from Meitei was recognised even India's independence under the Article 371a. The British and the independent Indian had then fully recognised the fact that the Meitei and the Nagas were of different ethnic groups. The Nagas leaders of the past who had agreed to stay in Manipur (when a new state was curved out from Assam) might have assumed to be saved because there were many provisions that safeguard the interest of the Nagas. The fact that Meiteis and Nagas are different needs to be recognised, respected and accepted by all.
You are wrong. Manipur Kangleipak history dates back to several thousands of years in the BC. You can check the facts by tracing the History and origin of Sagol Kangjei (Polo)
maximum of manipuris nagas do not accept this peace accord, cause they are very much related with meitei, from the history meitei and manipuris nagas are brother of same mother, we share same religion pratices, 60 percent of language is found to be similar which is contradict with nagamese language, since nagas have started to follow christianism and meitei have started to follow hinduism , there is gap between them. forgotten the historic event and brotherhood historical story, after bristish had given the name as nagas and being similar religion, there is new era where the word nagas arrived in the late 1980s. so the history of 1980s cannot represent the history of naga, naga was not just emerge only on that particula santuary. so manipuri nagas and nagaland nagas there are a lot of differrence between them
I wonder Why people/communities try too hard to be a 2nd class citizens/natives of some other distant community/society 🤔🤔🤔,, No bad feelings, #just #asking (coz grass is not greener on d other side of d mountain 😂). Wishing dat we all live in peace 🙏
why the host don't allow the naga representatives to speak out their whole topics? horrible debate...truth will prevail now or the other day ... history is very clear and all the nagas are aspiring as one nation....
Calm down calm down guys!!! U knw y india the second most populous country in the world cant suppress naga? Can meiteis kukis or mizos claim like the nagas? I dnt think so coz ders no solid reason to... So instead of hampering the peace process, wudnt it be bettr if everyone have some empathy against each other?
I think naga people are right ...I been observing this issue for a long time in any debate ... settle it in a peaceful way I urge the Manipuri people...
why meitei people should object to 6th schedule if they resist nagalim which is understandable given the present political scenario, assam has allowed autonomy to all tribals, why manipur is not ready for that.
If Meiteis and Assam were so concerned about it's territorial integrity, what were they doing when Naga territories were added to their states? They should've rebelled when Naga territories were added to their state territory. Now that Nagas want to take back their rightful land, they are against it. This shows their greediness. They want to take something which does not belong to them at all. Wait, are we dealing with thieves and landgrabbers???
There is no Nagas in Manipur. The fact is that the so called Nagas in Manipur was brought under the Naga umbrella only a couple of hundred years ago. Before that Manipur History dates back to thousands of years in the BC. Did you know that the earlier territory of Manipur (pre British) extends up to Thibomei (Dimapur) in Nagaland and Cachar in Assam and Chindwin River in Myanmar
@@selloymangang . Truly, there are no Nagas in Manipur, because Manipur consist of only the valley aka Kangleipak where the Meiteis lived. The surrounding hills were never part of Manipur. The Nagas living on the hills were never under Kangleipak's rule nor did they associate with the Meiteis. So, when you use the word Manipur, you should only refer it to the Kangleipak of the past and not the present "Indian created" political Manipur.
@@robviirobviina5512 are you stupid? Naga are not after the land but the trade route, they want to obliterate Meitei once and for all, everybody see it, they are already very hostile and want to extort
Manipur Meitei should support and consider Nagas of Manipur in the peace solution. We will live as good neighborhood and help each other in time of trouble and difficulties in the future.
Mr Kakar don't interpret wrongly history of Manipur. You don't know nothing about the Maharaj's of Manipur. We have enough documents since 33 AD about the territory of Manipur. I have request to Mr Kakar don't make stupid comments about the kingdom of Manipur without knowing anything.
Beautiful life lol what? Slaves of kukis? 😂😂. Don't take it in a literal sense when brotherhood is mentioned. It can only be a figure of speech. In a sense, the Nagas being the earlier settlers was called the early or elder one. There is a different in culture and administration and hence the Nagas sticked to the traditional way of village system whereas the meiteis went on with the monarchy where the power was centralised.
Dear Himalaya, Nagaland was form from the NEFA , it was separated from Assam. This is the Nagas history. They don't have any evidence regarding the their evolution, they don't have script, even they are necked since early 20th century. Whereas Manipur has own language, script, tradition and rich culture. Obviously, we have 3 time larger territory of the present area (22,372 sq.km.) it was occupied up to Barak valley in West, in north covered Entire Nagas hills, to the east up to Kabo valley presently in Myanmar. But haven't claimed these areas because after the defeat in Anglo Manipuri war between the Bristish and Manipur in 1891. The then Bristish empire demarcate the present area. If supposed we claimed our land now, then even the Nagaland is the part of Manipur.
Aisho Sharma it is a fact that the Nagas do not have scripture or any support to their origin other than mere folklore passed down orally. However the fact still remains that the Nagas were always a sovereign entity that is until the British conquered 30% of the modern Naga tribal boundary (not the Indian or Burmese international boundary). I would also like to mention that it is a misconception on the part of the meiteis to think that the land of the Nagas were under the Manipuri kingdom. No, the Nagas and the meitei kingdom are totally two different things. Never were the Nagas conquered by the meitei kings. There are instances of skirmishes and conflict like the conflict between the Marams Nagas and the king of Manipur then who was allegedly killed by the Marams and his head taken as a trophy(I have a meitei senior geologist whoni stayed together with and have had some few talks about this-- he agrees to this ). When you say that Nagaland was a part of Manipur and Assam I agree that there is no fault in that. Indeed all of the Naga territory was included in the map of Assam and Manipur. But that does not mean Manipur conquered the Nagas and the land was ruled by them( meitei). That is barely a map drawn by the British without the consent of the Nagas. *Strictly not the territory of the Manipur kingdom but rather a map drawn by the Britishers* the old map is drawn by the British I repeat. Nothing changes by the fact that the Nagas did not have a script or historical database. What is theirs rightfully is theirs. A sense of identity only emerged during the mid or early 1900's. Yes and it was done so based on the similarity of our traditions and customs. After all most of our folktales points to a common migration point i.e makhel where the tribes parted towards their own settlements. Nothing changes and facts will remain facts. I honestly do not know much about the burmese and the meitei affair and their boundaries but this I know that the land of the Nagas were never a part of Manipur until the British and later the Indian government did so.
Yongna tan yenbei fibamdo lak a...Government of India should know and respect all the 9 Articles of Manipur Merger agreement 1949 sign by Maharaja Bodhchandra ..Before it was Kangleipak under one kingdom..
This is the idea and policy of India to divide our brotherhood to delay on peace process and not willing to free Nagaland very soon .This world is full of dirty politics which GOI taking a main role to tackle Nagaland.Handfull advice is that we northeast state should unite together to free one state so that in the near future that freed state might do good with the Other northeastern State ..what goes around comes around ....Thank you ....from Nagaland
An example of useless debate. I'm not against Naga peace accord but what they're demanding is impossible. I'm belong to Dimasa Kachari & In that case we would like to get back our land #DIMAPUR from so-called Nagaland🤔
Arong imchen British gave the Manipuri king the territorial area of Manipur including kohima(now nagaland capital). There's a carved footprint of our King in your state museum too. The NSCN and all were too embarrassed to keep it, so they even tried to destroy it.
Yaoring As In 1833, King Gambhir Singh went for conquest to Kohima (aka Thibomei then) in the military expeditions to Naga hills in 1831-1833 and had his footprints sculptured as a mark.
Arong imchen "King Ghumbeer Singh reduced several villages to submission, including the largest of all, Kohima, at which place he stood upon a stone and had his footprints sculptured on it, in token of conquest. This was set up in a prominent position, together with an upright stone bearing carved figures and an inscription. The Nagas greatly respected this stone and cleaned it from time to time" Read this bitch. It's quoted directly from the book written by James Johnstone himself. #EvidenceMadafaka www.gutenberg.org/files/37839/37839-h/37839-h.htm
Related issue about Manipur state,Manipur pangal and other communities not only meiteis need to involve any concern but most of saying only meiteis make the envolment is wrong view.They do not fight but Manipur pangals and other have been fighting like Naga peace talk issue or.
We meiteis are not bishnupriyas. How can meitei be bishnupriyas? Meiteis n bishnupriyas are totally different in every aspects. Kaka eralu himself said meiteis r younger brothers of tangkhul, then how can u say again meiteis r bishnupriya. Meitei has the history of more than 2000 years old which is not oral history but documented history. Meiteis r ready to produce all the documents available to prove its territory and its 2000 years old history. But how was tangkhul who was the big brother of meiteis converted to nagas? Pan movement is a rejected doctrine whole over the world. The man who was considered to b the most powerful in the world named HITLER tried this doctrine of PAN MOVEMENT. He even failed to prove this dangerous doctrine to b applicable. Insisting of such outdated and draconian movement called PAN MOVEMENT OF ANY COMMUNITY whatever it may b will be never b successful n will create only turmoil n chao in Northeast. We should never accept such type of doctrine.
Arong imchen but unfornately there were no nagas in manipur in the history of kangleipak. If tangkhuls are nagas then meiteis should be nagas, as meitei being small brother of tangkhul. But it can never b possible to claim tangkhul as nagas. Better not to interfere the conflict of meitei brothers in manipur by any outsiders....
Arong imchen ha ha.lol.....y u outsiders are very interested in someone's problem....i really confused....who r u to tell me to get lost from ukhrul?....if u give me the answers of my few questions i will immediately support ur point of view: 1. How and when was the term naga originated in manipur? Were there nagas in manipur whereever it may be(both hills n valley of manipur) before NSCN was formed? Why r u trying to break the brotherly relationship between tangkhuls and meiteis? Prove and show the unique history of nagas in manipur? Many tribes (who claim themselves to b naga, like kabui, maring, chothe and many more) inhabitated in of manipur (known as kangleipak before a bengali missionary came to kangleipak to preach bhaishnavism)never support ur so called outdated and rejected pan naga movement in manipur. If we support assam and insist the assamese to fulfil their demand to regain dimapur, how will u feel? If we support the demand of the people of eastern nagaland, how will u feel?....i hope u will not want us to interfere n to give comment in ur case...like we the manipuris both in hills n valley never expect any outside to interfere to others problem....🤔🤔
We Nagas are not demanding anything from India we are only asking you to withdrew Your Mighty occupational force from my country Nagalim and be a good neighbour otherwise our big brothers China will come to rescue us in the days to come...
shiva verma it's not about racism, it is frustration you don't have the knowledge about what had happened to the Nagas how rudeless the Indian army is thousands of innocent have been killed and thousands of womens have been rape under AFPSA, why you don't give us peace you will never know how much we are suffering.....
shiva verma if you want prove go to Geneva our documents are kept there save and sound, please check the video in you tube Nagas cry for freedom, and read the books Naga saga where Indian army atrocities committed to ward Nagas,where did I mention I hate India i,m peacefully demanding to withdrew Your occupational force you Indian should be ashamed to crush such a tiny Nation with rudeless method, we don't want to be the enemy of your country since 1918 we are peacefully asking the British and Indians to recognise our Sovereignty we declare independence on 14 August 1947 with the consent of Mahatma Gandhi not without your will but Nehru blunder us for his political gain and order to kill every living being in Nagalim and divided us into in Assam, Manipur, Arunachal and Myanmar even our village chief house of longwa village had been divided into India and Myanmar in 1952 Indian army started killing civilians in Naga hills then only Naga army was form for self defence, even in 1962 China pressure us to go war with India but we refuse because we believe that India will recognised our Sovereignty like British did, in fact many of the Nagas also help Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.. nowhere in the history of Nagas hate Indian but your country are continuing to deny our rights to Sovereignty, if you think we are survive by centre fund please left us alone..
The Nagas in Manipur are deprived of any development and job opportunities as compared to the meities. Many of my friends have to apply for Central posts because they do not get selected for state public services due to corruption. The Naga areas in other states are suffering and in a backward status because they are in the minority.
Shut up twit, two Tangkhul CMs have had a major reign on the state besides the fact that Hills chairman, RV Mingthing, who incidentally happens to be my uncle as my mom is a niece of him and a Tangkhul who has lost her bros in the silly fight for a fictional Nagalim , never worked for the welfare of the people. Why play the victim card when you know that it is the leaders you elected that has caused the lack of developments. Why the fuck should you keep blaming the govt when the meitei community has faced the same treatment by the leaders. So stop the sectarian politics and call a a spade a spade.
ACHUMBEMO KIKON, YOU'VE BALLS TO SPEAK. I SALUTE YOU.
Sir, Kaka Iralu .
With most humble. I want to ask u a question on what you said on the debate. I being a Naga from Myanmar. Do u really mean that the peace doesn’t include the Nagas in Myanmar? Then what were we fighting for so long? So r u going to leve us like that? Actually if u r fighting for the batter future of Nagas we living in the Myanmar r the one who is suffering the most without benefits from anywhere. Can you answer me please?
I pray to our mighty God to bring a solution as earlier Amen
We are Naga from Arunachal, parts of TCL.
Come on guys, there is nothing to do with the land when you die.... Instead prefer peace ful coexistence, and no state is created on community basis, nscm im does not represent all the nagas, peace be with you to all the communities.
*THE ORIGIN OF NAGAS*
The Nagas as we know them today are actually a disparate conglomeration of mountain tribes inhabiting the Patkai mountain ranges in the north eastern region of India. Each tribe is distinctly different from the other even in terms of racial features and mannerisms. The most outstanding disparity between the various Naga tribes would be in their linguistic dialects. One village situated on a hilltop can see the next tribe settled on another hilltop. They would have been living in visible proximity for ages and yet there would not be a common word between the languages. This is true of all the present day naga tribes and even between the sub tribes.
Lifestyle, way of living, food habits and cloth designs are largely determined by geographical conditions. It goes to reason that people living in the same geographical area would develop similar habits, culture and by way of copying and imitation, they would gravitate towards some homogeneity. However, the one obviously notable fact that undermines this outward similarity is the languages that have remained distinctly different from each other. It appears that, all the years before the modern age, the various Naga tribes never communicated with each other and perhaps never needed to. The number of distinctly different languages in such a small and compact geographical area is truly remarkable and demands many answers.
One clear-cut conclusion that can be drawn from the above facts and circumstances is that, the Naga tribes, as we know them today, were never one homogenous group of people who migrated together or came to the region as a result of a singular cause and effect. More likely, they were different groups of people who arrived at different times, from different directions and due to varied reasons. Another undeniable fact is that the disparate group of hill tribesmen were known as
Naga not until they reached their present location. The reason for this surmise is the plain and simple fact that the term Naga is primarily a Sanskrit root-word, and was used by the Sanskritic plainsmen of Bengal and of the Brahmaputra valley with reference to the hill tribesmen of the eastern hills who were largely unclad and hostile.
To say therefore that they were one homogeneous group who migrated from the same direction due to one certain cause and effect and arrived together, is difficult to intellectually digest. In fact it would not be untrue to suggest that the migration of such miscellaneous groups of people was a continuous though perhaps sporadic one, and continues to this day. The Nagas are therefore not a homogenous group of people. Each of them are ethnically different from the other. It remains a matter of great curiosity as to how such diverse tribesmen came to find refuge together in such a compact geographical area, lived alongside each other for centuries, and yet maintaining their starkly different linguistic identities intact and uncontaminated all the while. It is only in the modern era that the western anthropologists grouped them under the miscellaneous classification of the Naga nomenclature. Even though there is no specific definition of the term ‘Naga’ and the characteristics it encompasses, the term itself is the only binding factor that bundles all such miscellaneous hill tribes together. Other than that it is obvious that each of them came from separate ways, due to separate reasons. Some may have come due to natural disasters such as floods and earthquakes, others may have come in search of safety and refuge from wars or stronger enemies. They came from different directions, in different periods and due to different reasons. They were not ethnically one group of people. It is only doltishness for anybody to even suggest that anybody crawled out of the ground or crawled out from cracks and fissures of mountain rocks.
Everybody came from somewhere!!!
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politics is a dirty game. Today we argue and abuse each other here because we think we all have rights to our homeland. But as soon as we step out of the NorthEast we begin to face the same problems from other parts of India. they see us differently, they all (mis)treat us the same. there is a prevailing prejudice to a certain limit about us, right from our physical appearances to our food, to the clothes we wear. we fight and claim "we are indians too" outside of our respective states while we segregate ourselves in our own states.Many things unite us, let not this divide us. let us not be mere peace-lovers but peace-makers.Dust we are made of and dust we shall all return to.
I'm with your thoughts Bro. Let's stand together whatever happens. Indian politics have been playing to fight within us.
Bro u see the bigger picture n i appreciate ur thought u r "lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
Gud thought & need of the hour.
Yes, Indian politic is playing with our northeast.
I appreciate you dear brother!
Look I'm a Tangkhul and I don't hate the Meiteis. I see the Meiteis as our best friends and business partners and I love them. As the history says we were once brothers. But the situation has changed ever since the meitei Brothers betrayed their Tangkhul brothers and signed on the constitution that they accept to be part of the government. Let politics take its course but normal citizens shouldn't give in to hatred cuz in the end we're neighbour's so it'll be of mutual benefit if the Meiteis and other tribes in Manipur maintain good relation. Cuz we've always been interdependent to each others. We should work together and bring development in our place. There's no benefit in pulling down your brothers cuz we are far behind compared to other countries. And the cause of greater Nagalim will not affect you commoners, the corrupted politicians are just worried about it cuz they'll have less money to extort from. The commoners should really stop focusing on politics and focus on economics instead cuz in the end politicians don't care about you. They'll promise a list full but will hardly deliver 3. Cuz the fact is that politics has become a business for the rich. Rich Ministers stand for election to become richer and the followers blindly defend them knowingly. Wake up and face the truth. It's because of the public that corruption is abundant in Manipur.
i think naga people got historyfobia without having any written history 😂
Fact
U got points bro.... Whatever be the future of us. Let's stand for a better brotherhood. Indian politics have been playing us all to this point.
thechemicals how can tangkhuls and meetei be brothers. Meetei were a very advance society they have kings they have their own script there own religion since the 15 th 16th century their custure culture and trafitions are totally different from Tangkhul. Thangkhuls were headhunters and every village has their own language they were a tribal barbaric until william petigrew come to manipur in 18th century. While the meetei already have kingdoms in 14th 15th century and you said that meetei and nagas are brothers😂😂😂 shame on you bro.
Beautiful life haha yes shame on me if my words harm the wellbeing of the people but I prefer to look at the bigger picture which is to promote oneness and love within the ethnics who would play a major role in each others lives. I don't know if it's really true that the meiteis & Tangkhuls were brothers but that's what I heard from elders. But I love it because it brings the two ethnic closer to each other. We as the younger generation needs to eradicate this feeling of discontent and hatred which infects some of our peoples heart. Cuz in the end of the day were all people trying to live our life and life is much better when there's peace and love.
India Invaded Nagalim (Naga Hills) - Most Terrifying Story Kept Hidden For Years
The Naga people originally came from Mongolia, migrating to the present Nagalim (Naga Hills) as early as 10th century BC.
The British colonial regime invaded western part of Naga Hills (Now India part of Nagalim) in 1832. And in 1881 it was declared a British District. It is believed that the British never reach the eastern part of Nagalim (Now Burma part of Nagalim) until 1930.
A memorandum was summited to the British government (Simon Commission) in 1929 by representative of the Nagas called “Naga Club” formed in 1918 for constitutional reform. Nagas clearly stated to the British about its sovereignty in 1929 and also in 1946-47. It was clearly stated that Naga will remain an independent nation, and do not wish to join the Dominion of India.
The Naga National Council (NNC), founded in 1946, claimed an independent and sovereign state for Nagalim and declared independence on August 14, 1947, as the British withdrew from their territory, and one day before India became independent. Nagalim was not part of the Indian Union at the time of India’s independence. Therefore, Nagalim is not part of India. But India invaded Nagalim shortly after its independence. India fights against the colonialist British but soon became a colonial state when India was liberated from the British colonial and became free nation.
An agreement was signed by the NNC with the government of India called "The Nine Point Agreement". This agreement recognized the right of self-determination of the Naga people, stating that ‘The right of the Nagas to develop themselves according to their freely expressed whishes is recognized’. The government of India was to have a special responsibility for a period of ten years to ensure the due observance of the agreement. At the end of that period, 10 years, the Nagas would be free to decide whether they want to join the Union of India or be free. However, on November 9, 1949, India revoked the agreement unilaterally, stating that the Indian Government no longer considered the agreement valid.
U Nu (the first prime minister of Burma) and Jawaharlal Nehru (the first prime minister of India) visited Nagaland on March 30th, 1953 on their own initiative without being invited. In protest, for disrespecting the Naga’s sovereignty, Naga people walked out of the meeting in mass to the last man.
Nehru was very much humiliated and deeply disappointed, and in April 1953, the Government of India started ruthless political persecution, including mass arrests, torture, and terrorizing against the Nagas. On April 13, 1953, the Indian Government even gave instructions to the Indian Armed Forces in Naga Hills to rape Naga women. A letter of protest was subsequently sent to the Prime Minister of India against this abominable instruction.
Nehru and U Nu agreed upon to take control over Nagalim - Eastern part of Nagalim to be controlled by Burma, and Western part by India.
Jawaharlal Nehru, the Indian historian and the author of Glimpses of World History had stated that “By the tribal areas, we mean those long stretches of land between Burma and India which belongs neither to India or Burma or any other foreign powers”. However after India’s independence and realizing the advantage of an enlarged territory, he had made a full turnabout and insisted that all the British territories were now Indian Territory.
Mahatma Gandhi, the father of Indian nation had stated that “Nagas have every right to be independent”.
NNC formed Federal Republic of Nagalim in 1956. In response, the Government of India enacted the Armed Forces Act and conducted military operation in all the Nagas inhabited areas. Gandhi’s doctrine of non-violence was no longer upheld after its independence.
Thousands of houses, churches and schools were burnt down and dismantled.
Innocent civilians were reportedly tortured by high ranking army officers up to the extent of burying alive after third degree torture.
Pregnant women were kicked and abused and were reportedly forced to give birth in front of the Jawans.
Hundreds of villages were burnt down.
Almost the whole population was driven into jungles where they live on roots and leaves without medical care. Thousands died of starvation and diseases.
Village headmen were blindfolded and executed with their hands tied behind their backs.
Many strong men were hung upside-down to death and even raosted alive.
Many were locked-up and put to death of hunger.
Many women were raped on the pulpit inside the Holy Church.
Many men were tied-up and forced to watch their wives and daughters being raped by the Indian army.
Even men were sexually abused at gun-point.
Many innocent young men were brutally executed and chopped off their heads mercilessly one after another. Lt. Pogholo of Matikhrii village was one of the victims whose head was chopped off along with 8 others villagers on 6th of Sept 1960. The brutality and horrific execution by the Indian army was beyond imaginable and pardonable.
Young women were raped in front of their village elders.
A beautiful young lady called Rose from a Tangkhul Naga community was one the victims, among many.
Eventually Nagaland state, a small part of India part of Nagalim (Naga Hills) was created in 1963. Today Nagas are divided as - Myanmar Nagas and India Nagas. The Nagas in India are further divided as Nagaland Nagas, Manipur Nagas, Arunachal Nagas and Assam Nagas.
Unlike the Naga, the Meitei on 15th October 1949, by Maharaja Bodha Chandra Singh, ceded “full and exclusive authority, jurisdiction and powers for and in relation to the governance of the State” to Dominion Government of India through the Manipur Merger Agreement, signed on 21st September 1949. And the actual size/area of Manipur that was agreed upon to merge with India was less than 2000 square kilometers. But today, Manipur have an area of 22,327 km², out of which more than 20,000+ km2 still belongs to the Nagas.
Dividing the Nagas into pieces was India’s policy to weaken them. But the birthrights of the Nagas can never be taken away by any mighty power on earth so long as the Nagas stand united by heart and blood.
More than 250000+ Nagas has being killed. But all the atrocities and killings were kept hidden from the outside world until today. It is time for the world to come and save the Nagas from the heinousness of India terrorizing a weaker nation. Nagas can no more bear the brutalities of the Indian army. In the eyes of the Nagas, the Indian army is the real terrorist and threats to peaceful co-existence.
God Bless Nagalim!
KUKNALIM!
BroNandRo Waikhom, untill the British came and colonized Naga Hills we were living peacefully. So is not important to mention what happened then.
Self style history...lol...great attempt to create a unique history of nagas....wonderful....lol...lol...😂😂😂😂....tell ur history to ur boss called MUIHVA...he will really appreciate u...but dont tell such self style history to others...people will laugh at u....lol...lol....i come across the funniest person ever in my life...lol...
To all the Kachchas,
Keep writing & rewriting your history on FB & Whatsapp group till it comes an authentic one. All the best.
And one more point, all the naga groups came from China
Muhammad aka paedophile the rapist of Aisha, don't say that.
Pliz don’t try to separate our brotherhood.We are one.
long kai r u naga
I m Meitei and Naga both. And I m Bodo, Ahom, Karbi, Dimasa, Mising, Khasi, Garo, Borok, Chin etc.
What type of brother
Y?
Yes long Kai we brother of any communities
Please Invite Mr.Erendro Leichombam for next debate
Malemnganba M He is not good in spoken english. Meetei are very weak in spoken english even the so called senior journalist
Beautiful life how do u know he is weak in English
@@alsonngambom09 He is from Harvard. Do some research before commenting. And for your information being weak in speaking doesn't mean lack of knowledge!
Hello beautiful life how do u say that the said person is weak in spoken english try to understand urself instead of.... u bloody
If the Tangkuls and the Meiteis are brothers, than it's clear that the Nagas are the outsiders. Even the Naga leader Kaka Eralu has clearly mentioned on it that the Tangkhul and Meitei are brothers. And I would like to challenge that there is no facts or records that proves that theTangkul belongs to a Naga Community.
Meitei and tangkhul Naga is Brother and younger Brother is right
India 71 years of independent there is no better internet connectivity in NE!!
True Facts #What does it have to do with the present political debate?
Dude this could be also part of the debate in near future. You know what i mean👍 good
True Facts...😄 u really make much sense instead of these funny crazy debator.
Can u please contact Erendro Leichombam for the next discussion about Manipur???????
Shyamsunder Oinam erandro is still weak in this issue... Johnson is far better known than him
It's not about weak n strong ,it it's TRUE no wan can cover
Ere dro?he don’t speak English 🤣🤣
Im naga i don’t want this agreement where naga are trying to build a separate state in Manipur. We have been living together for thousands of years.
True Facts I'm sorry
True Facts fuck u..shut up
Im truly naga I love my Manipur
True Facts..we need some patriotic like u for peace n harmony
Love u bro
So long the Nagas of the Nagaland have not been able to actively fight for our brethrens in different regions. We remember you all. You are not forgotten. Time forced us to seek stability first, then peace after that cease fire. Then came the political talks and at last managed to force all the parties and factions (except one) into the talk. We have spend decades and decades trying to Walk the good walk. We have walk the peaceful way. We have honoured the GOI decisions. We stayed calmed when our neighbours provoked us. Watch for the signs and seasons. Our time is coming.
The Nagas in A.P, manipur and other parts are the most backward, in all of their respective states. We are been communally targeted, subjugated and mistreated. This is nothing but hardcore racism and indirect racial cleanings. Like the majority white in the states categorically attacked the Africans Americans, mainlander Hindu's are doing to us. What is our's may always be ours. It's painful to see our brothers struggle for survival. We have Assam who's map get larger every single night. They have issues with Mizos, Nagas, Arunachals and almost anyone sharing broader with them. These is all a clever set up. We need UN to interventions. Justice and rights in India is measured in terms of their faith, religion and racial features. We minorities will never get even our basic right under communal and racist India. Had we look like the mainlanders and practiced Hinduism. Everything would be roses and sunshine. No men should be discriminated mistreated based on their faith and skin color. Had the Nagas and the Mizo's did what Assam do everyday there would have been National emergency. Beware the wrath of the calm man.
Maybe after all Manipur naga dies or become extinct, the other nagas will get off their comfy butt.
Mr.kaka D. Iralu should be ask more questions in future because he knows more about the history of the Naga's and it's neighbours...
We all have the liberty to make an argument but first we need to know all the history of our people as well as our neighbours before making any argument..
There's no Naga in Manipur that's what the meiteis said and that's what we the Nagas agreed beacause we Nagas are not living in your land we are dwelling in our own land.
apange RS. Your own land is in nagaland
laishram devkumar your comment doesn't doesn't make any sense to me...if you understand what I mean in my comment that's what i count...and it's good that you understand it.
apange RS. Nagas are living in my land( manipur)
laishram devkumar That's what the greedy meitei said.
apange RS. No bro, it was written in the history and approved by indian constitution
Thanks you Sir Hussain, we need more of this kind of respectful, issues-Based conversation between people from different political parties.
It's ridiculous that non nagas are asked whether Nagas will be satisfied with the Naga Peace Accord!Nagas alone have the answer to that very question! And mind you(Meitei representative), it is shameful on your part to cite the example of ENPO in Nagaland which is exclusively of local affairs in Nagaland. Nagas are one as much as you think meiteis are one when we fight for own respective rights.Nagas cannot be fooled by meiteis in any way.
Right bro... Hate off to you
We must remember our Makhel and talk later. Meitei and Nagas are bothers from the very beginning.
Meitei and naga r brothers but we are different ......we hve devided land, different culture , distinct complexion, different food habit,different language .......we are naga .......n u r meitei ...tooo defferent......just like the night and the day......
Only brothers when convenient and the land/territory. Schemes so obvious brother of traitory!
The details of agreement must be made cleared to all stakeholders Manipur ,Assam and Arunachal Pradesh
@Kams goyal 😂 to you think tat naga peace talk is something like apple so everyone should eat 🤣🤣 or to distribute to so called stakeholder 🤣🤣🤣
If u go to any offices in Manipur u'll see 70% belonging to Meitei community n tey call us Hao (uncivilized) so I hate to b with general people....even DGP,Chief Secretary of Manipur shud b posted according to IAS n IPS seniority but Meitei Govt.transfer those IAS n IPS Tangkhuls to NE which is bias n most of them r MeiteiS only except few tribals like Kukis
Don't worry brother we also hao bro❤❤some hindu meitei divided as uncivilized🥰 we are also yelhaomei
One should understand that land belongs to state and not to communities. If communities start claiming ownership to land, then there will be endless conflict among communities throughout the entire country.
agreed
Correct,
At first bfore state has been amended there is owner.......so theres no question of not claiming it...
People and community living together form the state. Some States were form without proper consent of the people. Example, Manipur was form after British left India. Before, the British rule the meeteis, Nagas and kukis were never together. They live in their own ancestors land. The land of the Nagas were never a land of Manipur government. The land belongs to people who live there for a thousand years. Meetei people or Kuki people doesn't have any right to object the ambition of Naga people wanting to live separately or under different administration. The state of Manipur is created by the government of India for better or convenient administration.
Agreed
We should respect our motherland, Manipur for all.
They can't take our Manipur as nagalim we are living happily very communities don't make anti dear nagaland
@@son-kimkimson9980 in
We love our neighbouring states
And we want NAGA peace settlement so soon for long lasting peace
Nagaland is for the people Naga all nagas will live in nagaland muiva also will live in nagaland but tangkhul will live in Manipur they are all manipuries
@@kuberkhundrakpam6223 haha we don’t wanna to liv with meitei people,you meitei want to become naga.the word kacha naga is for meitei for future.we Nagas will call kacha naga to meitei one day 🤣🤣🤣
Wake up Meitei's! It is right steps for you to support Naga's Accord and live free like a man, how long will you like to live under the dominant of Mayang.. opposing the naga Accord will be negative impact for Meitei's ..we need to work together for our future. We are living under brothers in arms if we oppose each other other will take advantage.
Akhiam phaomei they have been taking advantage.
*THE ORIGIN OF NAGAS*
The Nagas as we know them today are actually a disparate conglomeration of mountain tribes inhabiting the Patkai mountain ranges in the north eastern region of India. Each tribe is distinctly different from the other even in terms of racial features and mannerisms. The most outstanding disparity between the various Naga tribes would be in their linguistic dialects. One village situated on a hilltop can see the next tribe settled on another hilltop. They would have been living in visible proximity for ages and yet there would not be a common word between the languages. This is true of all the present day naga tribes and even between the sub tribes.
Lifestyle, way of living, food habits and cloth designs are largely determined by geographical conditions. It goes to reason that people living in the same geographical area would develop similar habits, culture and by way of copying and imitation, they would gravitate towards some homogeneity. However, the one obviously notable fact that undermines this outward similarity is the languages that have remained distinctly different from each other. It appears that, all the years before the modern age, the various Naga tribes never communicated with each other and perhaps never needed to. The number of distinctly different languages in such a small and compact geographical area is truly remarkable and demands many answers.
One clear-cut conclusion that can be drawn from the above facts and circumstances is that, the Naga tribes, as we know them today, were never one homogenous group of people who migrated together or came to the region as a result of a singular cause and effect. More likely, they were different groups of people who arrived at different times, from different directions and due to varied reasons. Another undeniable fact is that the disparate group of hill tribesmen were known as
Naga not until they reached their present location. The reason for this surmise is the plain and simple fact that the term Naga is primarily a Sanskrit root-word, and was used by the Sanskritic plainsmen of Bengal and of the Brahmaputra valley with reference to the hill tribesmen of the eastern hills who were largely unclad and hostile.
To say therefore that they were one homogeneous group who migrated from the same direction due to one certain cause and effect and arrived together, is difficult to intellectually digest. In fact it would not be untrue to suggest that the migration of such miscellaneous groups of people was a continuous though perhaps sporadic one, and continues to this day. The Nagas are therefore not a homogenous group of people. Each of them are ethnically different from the other. It remains a matter of great curiosity as to how such diverse tribesmen came to find refuge together in such a compact geographical area, lived alongside each other for centuries, and yet maintaining their starkly different linguistic identities intact and uncontaminated all the while. It is only in the modern era that the western anthropologists grouped them under the miscellaneous classification of the Naga nomenclature. Even though there is no specific definition of the term ‘Naga’ and the characteristics it encompasses, the term itself is the only binding factor that bundles all such miscellaneous hill tribes together. Other than that it is obvious that each of them came from separate ways, due to separate reasons. Some may have come due to natural disasters such as floods and earthquakes, others may have come in search of safety and refuge from wars or stronger enemies. They came from different directions, in different periods and due to different reasons. They were not ethnically one group of people. It is only doltishness for anybody to even suggest that anybody crawled out of the ground or crawled out from cracks and fissures of mountain rocks.
Everybody came from somewhere!!!
we dont know whatis going on brother
We in Manipur and perhaps every sane citizens of the planet trust one thing and one thing only that this fictious tribal state called Nagaland must be abolished for good of all mankind. The so called temporary tribes Nagas are enjoying a per capita budget allocation even more than USA. In short a state which has not produced a single scientist is enjoying higher percapita than the richest nation on earth US. So, India being a poor country must stop subsidizing fictitious tribal states like Mijoram and Nagaland etc. Its a sink to India's economy.
Salute you Kaka Iralu... You are an inspiration to me...
These issues were planted by Nehru an S. Patel, that meiteis cannot buy or live in the hills but the tribals can buy and settle in the plains. If not we would have lived peacefully with better connectivity.
Games_Bond if you wanna buy land and live in the hills do one thing shift all offices to the hills and only then your wish shall be granted. And even this thing , territory issue was planted by Nehru .If lands were given to the right owners none would have happen.Manipur would have consisted of Imphal east and west, Bishnupur and Thoubal only. And tribal lands have been sovereign from time immemorial and no Meitei kings or meiteis have had the right to claim it hence once again proving that it doesnt belong to them. Keep one thing in mind you cannot have all the best things in life.You get something you lose the other. Give people what is theirs and respect it
Manipuri meteis don't interrupt in between.....
My dear brother naga from ma nipur is there any authentic map for naga manipur if so your demand might be true. I feel ashamed of you for naga of Manipur to make wrong with without thinking your prospective.
Yes ter s,wanna c meitei n kuki map,how they will draw kuki hav small2 village in Nagaland same as meitei lik in Tripura Assam Burma Arunachal haha
We middle Nagas loved all Nagas from East West North and South Nagas. we all together called Kuknalim 👍👍👍👍👍
Not at all satisfied with the debate here. Look at the terms used in the discussion, which is misleading and totally unacceptable. The Nagas in Manipur has always wanted to be apart of Naga integration more than anything, and it is the Meiteis who are against it. Therefore, do not use the phrases like "Manipur does not want Naga integration" because it is the Meitei not the Nagas, therefore not Manipur. The Nagas in Manipur has no voice in all aspects, despite our screams and demands for equality; thousands of deaths for raising our voices. It was mentioned here that the lands inhabitated by Nagas belongs to the Nagas, and not to meiteis, and Nagas are divided without our consent to different states of India. The question is , why are the Meiteis so much against the unification of Nagas even though we we do not intend to take an inch of land from the meiteis?? For so long, Nagas are subjugated, discriminated in the state of Manipur and if the Nagas desire to abandon the name "Manipur" for good, let us be.
One irony is, Manipur state covers an area of 22,327 square kilometres and has a population of almost 3 million, with only 20% of the area belongs to Meiteis, and the rest belongs to Nagas and other tribal communities. Yet only 19 seats of the Manipur legislative Assembly belongs to the tribals, 40 seats just for the Meiteis. Likewise, in every spheres of work, educational, public and governmental institutions, the meiteis enjoys 80% of the positions. So tell me how and in what way has the Nagas (or other tribals like Kuki) offended the Meitei community by erasing the name " Manipur" from our identity that is being tag to us by force?
If you really wants to integrate than move away from Manipur and integrate elsewhere but you can't destroy the peaceful fabric of Sanaleibak . You have mentioned that you don't have voice in Manipur n not treated equally . First of all ask to your leaders who live in Imphal for your rights for looting your money that the govt has granted for hill area development
First of all work hard and earned your place , don't wait for the quota .
@@ramanandamangang7098 you are the proof why we can't live under one/same administration. Stop blaming tribal official for not bringing development in hill areas. We all know the reality. All this problem occurred because of your selfishness. And stop mentioning about quota coz some of your kind are fighting for that (ST).
This is a talk between NSCN(Im) and centre.. Do they represent the whole nagas?
No
Kaka Iralu. What commoness does nagas and Manipuri nagas have. I dont find nothing in common. Language totally different. Even among the manipuri nagas like tangkhul Mao Zalengrong has nothing in common. Tangkhuls are not counted as nagas in nagaland. They cannot buy or own a house or land in nagaland.
To all my meitei friends, please understand that the present state boundary is not a historical boundary of any community or kingdom. It is a thing of a recent past which has been altered or carved based on the political situation.
please talk to erendro leichombam about any issue , he will give you best knowledge about current situation in manipur.
PRANK TIME 😊
Great
PRANK TIME we don't need him !!
😂
PRANK TIME good idea
All nagas can unite in Nagaland. Period.
DO NOT TEST THE PATIENCE OF NAGAS WE ARE READY TO PICK UP ARMS
Aotemjen Jamir
You want to create second Kashmir?
@@ashishkalkal1079 I'm Naga but I don't support such action. I'm sick and fed up of people like him.
Indian govt. can swipe you like a floor within 3 days if you are ready to pick up arms
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaa😂😂😂😂😂😂old dialogue
If you pick up arms than what do you expect from meitei's ,do you think that we"ll sit back n watch your drama .
What happened to the sound connection ?
Im sorry very Poor sound and their connectivity.
I am from Nagaland but i myself do not agree with the peace accord... its like a particular community migrated to a foreign land where at 1st they feel allienated... after 1000 yrs they claim for the foreign land as their own land... this could end up badly if this claim is accepted in the near future... m scared...
You better shut your mouth
Fake Naga😂
Its between historical, indigenous ,ancestral land vs. artificial boundary created by indian and British.what do you think which has more weight?
Naga has a big right to have freedom in so many point 😎💯%
Dear Mr Bora
You are right history could not be very very narrow. We have (Maniour) 33 AD broad history inclusive of all indigenous people. Yes, hill areas are concerned by Kings of Manipur time to time indirectly through village chief of tribe indigenous people's. History has proof.
Arong imchen What is the identity of Naga? All the different tribes of Nagaland are different (different languages and habits) and they were grouped as nagaland just because they didn't have any identity.
Arong imchen you think predictions from peasants like you would matter? Keep dreaming.
It is totally baseless argument 😂😂 just because you have resided and settled for decades doesn't give you right to claim the land or demand for different state.
I am staying in Bangalore for 26years and my parents from past 40yrs.... This doesn't give me right to argue that Bangalore is Manipur. This is hights of tolerance.
The brothers and sisters of Naga stay in the valley and have bought lands in valley. But, no Metei or Manipuri brother and sister have rights to buy land in the hill. Just because they have stayed in the valley for decades doesn't give right to claim the valley or Meitei area as there separate area or state.
It is just political fight and leaders trying the "divide and rule" policy.
Manipur is a small state, if there is so much of political tension and people hating and having bandh on regular base this results in just giving hard time to common people with every day life and work.
They are good amount of Nagas residing and settled down in U. S, U. K, America and etc., so will they demand Nagas have been here from decades and we want this part of the country as Naga Land????? Insanity 😁😂😂
All the best if they are planning to do so hahaha...!!!!!
so according to your statement even manipur doesnt belong to manipuri people, incase if some immigration come and dominate manipur and later claim that it belong to them will you not look upon history ??? you call it your land and you dont even have a name but you called after we name it (for eg dziikou) we are not asking an inch of your belonging we are just claiming what belong to us, when the british came to india and rule india for centuries does it make them an ownership ?? indian people were weak back then but manage to claim their right, we may be weak now but its just the matter of time what belong to us belong to us no compromise, no begging.
jayashiri laishram The Nagas did not settle on your lands or anyone else' lands. We, including the Meiteis, migrated along the same route and happen to settle to our present settlements. And its not just for 26years of settlement or 40 years of settlement. We can trace our Naga history back to 33A.D. and we have been independant for all those centuries untill the Japanese and British came in the 19th-20th century. You just don't give shitty comments with your grain-size knowledge about Nagas.
@@khriezzzz6170 badey dukh ki baat hai angrezz chaley gaye par bacchey chod gaye!!!
@@dchakheni809 yes you may have a mountain high knowledge but what's the point when you don't have the ability to think or have thought process.
The knowledge which does no good for society is no good.
There are many small communities in India if the Naga community is today encouraged for different state then tomorrow many other communities may demand the same, more the partition, division, new states, different languages. Not just results in multiculturalism but also welcomes hatred among the people - cast, religion, language. If you say so, the Nagas have settled for centuries then how about the minority group Parsis do they demand for a separate state? No!! Because they know to live in harmony and believe in helping each other to grow and prosper.
A mans greed and desire has no limit or bound. (-Buddha)
We all should learn to live together in peace and harmony as one, in unity.
Given a stick it can be broken easily, but given a bundle of stick its difficult to impossible to break with one's normal physical strength.
If you still differ then God bless You child 👍😇
jayashiri laishram This is not a matter of "not thinking and processing knowledge". So much has happened in the last 60-100 years due to this issue, thousands lost their life and you're saying, we just haven't thought it through enough? Nagas have always wanted to live in peace and harmony between neighbours and believe me, even if there ever will be Greater Nagalim, the meiteis will always be our neighbour. Talking about living together in peace, how do one begin to explain the realities of lives in Manipur to narrow single minded fellow like you.
The state covers an area of 22,327 square kilometres and has a population of almost 3 million. Out of that, 20% of the areas belongs to the meiteis and the rest are occupied by tribals. However, out of 60 seats in the Manipur legislative assembly, 40 seats are for the Meiteis alone, 1 seat for Nepali/Gen quota and just 19 seats for the tribals. Not just that, from govt. services to educational institutions, 75% of the seats are filled by Meiteis. All the central funds are concentrated only in Imphal, you now see that Imphal is even more developed than Guwahati. Look at the villages in hills districts with no proper schools, sanitation, health care, electricity, roads, water supply, etc etc. So many unemployed youths because we are asked to pay 10 lakhs for a post in primary teacher or 8 lakhs for the post of a peon/clerk and tribals do not have that kind of money. Now tell me, how do we live harmoniously when we are trampled, subjugated, discriminated in our own state? You talk about how the NE people are discriminated in the mainland India, yet take a look at your homeland. And why are you meiteis so much against the wishes of the Nagas? We only wanted to live amongst our own community and be treated equal. Is that so wrong? We are asking for Greater Nagalim means all the Naga inhabited areas comes under one state, and we do not wish to take an inch of your land. Am sure you're familiar with Indian history how there was no States like Manipur/Nagaland or any other prior to India's independence.
You simply do not speak out against him before you put yourself in his shoe.
All we want is to leave behind the name "Manipur" being tag to us by force by the govt of India and you meiteis can call your home as Meiteiland or kangleipak or whatever without us but just leave the Nagas out of your sick dirty politics. We do not want the name "Manipur" as our identity. Leave us for good and let us live as peaceful neighbours or you know there will never be peace in the so called "Manipur".
Why not Naga leaders from Manipuri ???
If this things happen .. surely u'r gonna miss ur meitei brothers some day.. it won't take a decade to realize.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
In the subtitle Manipur is shown as Money Poor. It's not good to see such mistake from a reputed media house, its name itself represents the entire North East.
Poor audio North-east live,... Framework agreement is the stumbling block.😀
What if all the communities in Manipur claim their ancestral lands to be curve out from there??
Mamang Khongsai before nscin there is no nanga in Manipur.defferent type of tribal here like tangkul . U r homeless landless person ? Ur home is ur ancestors land try to understand BJP triy to finish communities on North East by war between us.and try to build only Hindu land a nation.not a union of state
They'll end up barking 😂😂😂😂
Still facing connection issues 😁 It’s 2018 But Northeast is still in 2012 era 😂😂
Johnson please try avoid saying People of Manipur just truthfully say meitei and Kuki. Secondly avoid trying threats like unimaginable impact for we know very well how to deal with tricks played by people like you.
Problem of an Inch of land: the total area of present Manipur is 22,327 sq.km out of which the hill areas cover 20,126 sq.km and inhabited by the tribal people. The Tribal people (Nagas and Kukis) settles in the hill areas and the valley is dominated by the Meiteis. The Naga people live in their own land (Hill area) so as the Meitei in the valley. The dominant Meitei community who keep saying that 'not even an inch of land in Manipur will be given to the Nagas' is nothing more than to insult the Nagas. The Nagas' have been living in their own land since time immemorial. There is nothing such as smaller or greater Naga land. Wherever the Nagas are living for centuries, rightly the land belongs to them. If the Nagas have seized any part of land and Forrest that belongs to Meitei. I'm sure the Nagas will be Happy to return them. The Meitei ethnic must come out with concrete proof which village or parts of land of the Meitei have been seized by the Nagas in history of Manipur. We cant live together with like. Nagas in Manipur are not asking an inch of land that rightfully belongs to other communities. The Nagas are just pleading the govt of India and the Meitei to recognised and respect what is rightfully belongings to them since time immemorial . This can be done through readjustment of the existing state boundary under article 3 of Indian constitution...
To be continued.....
One simple question to you . What will happen if all the biharis living all over India demand to central government that they wants the same as what Naga are asking for .
Why you Naga come in valley to settle and we Meitei are not allow to stay in hills Is this fare
You are right on the issues, I hope that one day misunderstanding between us ( Nagas and Kukis) will came to an end. Then we will fight against toghether to those who try to snatch our land. 👍👍👍
It's time for the hill people to unite and struggle for our freedom
As different tribes are living together under the terminology of nagas why can't we live together as manipuri irrespective of all different ethnicities in manipur just like we live together as an Indian in India in a wide perspective n reality.
The set up of this channel is same as that of republic TV and the anchor is totally copying the gesture , dressing , glasses of Arnab Goswami but gut is missing.
That's not gut, that's drama and zero ethics. And this is a good thing.
If Meiteis say that the hill-areas of Manipur belong to them, can they buy or sell anytime as they wish without the approval of Hill Village Council or Authority ?If so, who and where ? As far as I know, they r not allowed to do so since the land belongs to Nagas or Kukis.
Protected areas bro.. . U guys are lucky due to article 370 and 371 c series.. .
But as far as I concerned, we meeteis don't want to live in hills and not want your land. In fact we guys respect you and give you all freedom to live anywhere as you like in Imphal.
Bro we are not mean minded as you. We could have snatched your land by force but never did so inspite of majority coz we love you all as brother.
But I want to say something, with this real hindu extrimist at the centre and what they have done to kashmir , you should atleast see the point and understand.
Proud to say we meeteis never pick on you, discriminate, molest your sister, nothing. Cause we love and respect you guys. On the contrary, just see his rule one bharat one religion one Nation. Muslim region was made a UT region and this might happen to all. In that case what is your idea?
Frankly speaking, even if you hate mayang also. They will never led u free bro. So forget meetei, naga, mizo, assamese. We all are North Eastern first and we all face discrimination abuse from mainland India. Its high time North eastern should demand for freedom altogether.
But what u guys are planning to do may spread hatred to all community of indegenous North East people living here and this might result in communal war bro.
Kindly I know you are educated so please don't blame only one community. Search for facts
It's the Government of India that created the boundaries and divided the nagas very badly while creating the Nagaland state..
Francis Yanthan not only the nagas Kukis are also living in nagaland assam tripura burma and mizoram. Like wise there are lots of meetei in assam silchar area and even in burma. There are lots of chakmas in mizoram assam arunachal pradesh. So think about it will it be really possible to unite all the nagas inhabited areas in from different states. What if the kukis mizo meetei chakma etc etc all claim that the area which they occipied in each ststes be integrated to their land. Will it be possible. How will you draw map
Beautiful life,like you said there are a lots of Indians living in Nagaland and many northeast States but that doesn't mean they should start claiming lands from their temporary residual places..There are a lots of nagas in Delhi but we never claim Delhi to be a part of greater nagalim..What we want is our original cultural ancestral land and people under one administration as an independent country..
Beautiful life,remember that the present boundaries are just created by the Indian govt. against the wishes of the nagas.......If you are a naga please think logically n critically n if you are meitie please unite the nagas.......
Beautiful life,if Telengana can't be created making new boundary why not for nagas...
And Mr Sakshang, former President of ANSUM, you disgrace us with your speech. You couldn't even speak up and take a stand for your own right, yet how did you end up representing the Nagas in Manipur?
If the hills belongs to the Nagas ..why did the NSCN IM displaced and perpetrated genocide killings in the 90s who have been living since before the British came to India
Den y did your meitei people kill one another ...same thing
Those who r talking against the dream of nagas jst go to all the hills district not even a single village road is blacktop jst go to hill n live there for a month u will see their suffering in every ground
Canny Nakhedei I understand u my frn. We all deserve to live good. In the near future I hope we all will be equalled having strong 💪 relationships. Love you like a brother. 💗
Then what about those tangkhul lives in imphal
There r 3 tribes in manipur Meitei, Kuki n Naga. If we can't live together, it's better Naga of Manipur joined Nagaland and give kuki separate state and the valley of Manipur will remain as Meitei land.. Problem solve, simple..
All the Nagas from Manipur,Nagaland, Assam n Arunachal should be United, it's their right to form their own state n live under one banner..the political division of state should not kept dividing them forever.. There is nothing like the the map can't be redraw forever...Kuknalim ✌
Rukhu tavei why u left on Burma side.nowday all communities speed whole world.can u unit all
Rukhu tavei you think commenting here on this TH-cam video will help ? 🤣🤣 Keep dreaming. And also, eat this virtual shit 💩
Rukhu tavei Impossible
Self proclaimed nagas in manipur is a Bonafide NAGA under Gun point of NSCN-IM,,,!! They need to remember that they once belongs to ASSAM as a district not even a kingdom like KANGLEIPAK
Xerxes Guide EVEN their language is similar with Assamese...
Xerxes Guide well said.
We the nagas has right to be accomplished Naga framework as soon as possible which has been keeping in pending since back British ruling and even now . Vive la nagas !!! Never give up
Ganripow Rongmei shut up bitch.
shiva verma these people are nouveau richie but in terms of being civilised.
We dont want to be a part of nagalim. We are happy with our current situation. Donot bring Arunachal in this.
not you but our land
@@angelchuzho5587 u dnt have land in Arunachal Pradesh idiot
@@angelchuzho5587 nop bro.I wish you don't say that, we the arunachalis live in our own land.
It is not right for you to say that you're gonna take your land back. We didn't occupy your land.
We are living have been living in our land since the beginning and our land belongs to us and not you.
Living on Indian currency lol ! I got no problem when i use Indian currency to buy by needs also i don't have problm with living around Hindi Speaking people
Well in this issue
No one can decide for the people of Nagaland
It depends on every Naga community
Or family living in Manipur whether they wish to join Nagaland or not ,meitie or Naga in Nagaland can't decide for them
'united we stand devided we fall'
Long live kuknalim
Then why yu called kacha
We naga has every right to claim our ancestral land.
Mr. Kaka iralu, seems to know more history about tangkhuls and meiteis of manipur as the tangkhuls of manipur needs to be reminded by a naga in Nagaland. I think the GOI must be tired of trying to resolve fightings between brothers who have irreconcilable difference. Pathetic, they don't want to accept the reality but wants to blame the GOI.
all these hectic was done by tangkhul brother who really don't like peace in Manipur. especially Muivah son of ukhul.
History and civilisation of Manipur (Kangleipak) dates back to several thousands of years in the BC. You can easily verify the fact by tracing the History and origin of Sagol Kangjei (Polo)
Just be kind brother meetei to have peace in future that's it.
All things happen because of your selfishness towards the other community and now lately realizing that's they have larger potential than you.
since when meetei has been acting selfish towards any other community?
If Manipuri king budhachandra is not born on earth Manipuri may also have the right to freedom.
Who gave meiteis the right to decide and determine on the future of the Nagas in Manipur? Better mind their own business.. Why force the Nagas to come into their ambit when they are unhappy with them?
Mansei Pamei please eat this shit. 💩
Thanks
Keep on wondering
Manipur is m'eitai land ,meitais have all the right to determine the future policies of all the people in manipur for it's sovereignty.Including the indigenious tribal in people ,Naga is just a political scheme label tag anyways .
Who the hell u r to divide this kingdom of manipur who has more then 2000 years of freedom history. The boundary of Manipur is made thousands yr back unlike the nagaland which born in just few decades ago.
History of the Meitei (Manipuri): In the past, Meitei kingdom was known as Kangleipak. Present name "Manipur" evolved along with the sanskritisation of Meitei population during the 18th century. The Meitei have a long history which dated back to 33AD. The Royal Chronicles known as "Cheitharon Kumpapa" has the Chronological order of Meitei Kings from first century till the late 1940s. However, with more confusion exist than clear evidences, here is much contestation on this claim. A noted Meitei scholar, O. Tomba Singh, in his book,"A Need To Rewrite Manipur History (1993)" opined that the record of Royal Chronicles is debatable because geological excavation suggest that the entire Manipur valley was under under till about 500 years ago. Prof. Jyotirmoy Roy, in his book, "History of Manipur 1973, wrote that although the sea receded (the present Loktak Lake) the valley portion of Manipur remained under water for a long time. If we are going to believe that the Meitei have settled some where else and migrated and settled at the present site in about 500 yrs ago. The Kangleipak kingdom was confined to Imphal Valley extending to Kabaw Valley which was later gifted to Burma.
Past Relationships of the Meiteis and Nagas: Naga did not live under monarchical king like Meiteis, but each village existed as a sovereign and republic nation. Naga lived as free people and has very less contact with outside world. Unlike the Nagas, the Meitei often wage war with the neighbouring Kings such as the Burmese and Tripuri kings. Interestingly it is on record that the Nagas extended helping hand to the Meitei Maharajas in times of dangers and wars. In 1717-18 the Raja Garib Nawaz requested the Naga Chiefs to attacked Samjok. According to K.Gyanendra Singh, in his book "Security and Development: The political Economy of Insurgency in Manipur,2011,Raja Garib Nawaz was a man who practiced both Vaishnavism and Militarism. His constant effort had led him to develop cordial relationship with the Nagas. Again when the Burmese troops attacked and took possession of Kangleipak for seven years. all the Meitei men fled to the hills from the valley for safety. During this seven years' devastation (chahi-tarek khuntakpa, (1819-1826), the Tangkhul Nagas generously gave shelter to the Meitei brothers.(see Prof. Jyotirmoy Roy, "History of Manipur" (1973). Probably some Meiteis settled there in Ukhrul district. In this context, it is not difficult to understand why Meitei consider Tangkhul as Elder Brother. In appreciation of this humane gesture, the Tangkhul Nagas were given prominent place in some of Meitei religious ceremony even today. When Nagas had given their best for the protection of Meitei kingdom, should not Meitei reciprocate the Nagas with the same good gesture today?
Nagas I Manipur State: although Nagas do not have their own written record, their oral traditions pointed out that they were the first settler in Manipur. T.C. Hudson, in his book"The Naga Tribes of Manipur,1996(reprint) also mentioned that the Nagas were well settled than their counterpart in the valley.. However due to topographical Location, the Meitei had rapidly develop themselves. Cutting short the story, the coming of the British to Manipur has collosal impact on the Sovereign right of the Nagas. The British helped the Meitei to drive out the Burmese. Gambhir Singh was made the ruler of Manipur. By 1872, the British along with the combined forces of Raja Gambhir Singh began to intrude into Naga territory. However, in 1891, war broke out between the British and the Meiteis. The Meiteis were defeated and British took control of the whole Manipur. The British main interest I. Naga areas was to collect taxes and use them as Porter's.it allowed the Meitei Raja to conquer some of the land of the Nagas on the condition that Meitei Raja would help the troops of the British to go to Burma without any hindrance. Later on, this has resulted to the Naga Raj movement by the Zelianrong Nagas in Manipur. The British knowing fully that the Meteis and the Nagas were of different ethnic communities kept them under different administration. According to N.Ibobi Singh, the hill territory was separated from the general administration on the plea 'the hill people are not manipuris and have entirely different customs and languages,(The Manipur Administration 1707-1907). The distinct identity of the Nagas from Meitei was recognised even India's independence under the Article 371a. The British and the independent Indian had then fully recognised the fact that the Meitei and the Nagas were of different ethnic groups. The Nagas leaders of the past who had agreed to stay in Manipur (when a new state was curved out from Assam) might have assumed to be saved because there were many provisions that safeguard the interest of the Nagas. The fact that Meiteis and Nagas are different needs to be recognised, respected and accepted by all.
You are wrong. Manipur Kangleipak history dates back to several thousands of years in the BC. You can check the facts by tracing the History and origin of Sagol Kangjei (Polo)
Initially Manipuri Cabinet are all Metei's and they take steps without Nagas concern ruling Gvt. like dictorship....
maximum of manipuris nagas do not accept this peace accord, cause they are very much related with meitei,
from the history meitei and manipuris nagas are brother of same mother, we share same religion pratices, 60 percent of language is found to be similar which is contradict with nagamese language, since nagas have started to follow christianism and meitei have started to follow hinduism , there is gap between them. forgotten the historic event and brotherhood historical story, after bristish had given the name as nagas and being similar religion, there is new era where the word nagas arrived in the late 1980s. so the history of 1980s cannot represent the history of naga,
naga was not just emerge only on that particula santuary. so manipuri nagas and nagaland nagas there are a lot of differrence between them
@@donttrustme2623 nice try. you know nothing about Naga or Manipur Nagas. douchebag
Modi had signed a agreement with Naga rebels in year 2015 on 4 th August just before election in Manipur
kams Goyal I think it's Aug 3
I wonder Why people/communities try too hard to be a 2nd class citizens/natives of some other distant community/society 🤔🤔🤔,, No bad feelings, #just #asking (coz grass is not greener on d other side of d mountain 😂). Wishing dat we all live in peace 🙏
Because meitei people make us feel 3rd class citizens if you want to know!
Yes..the neutral commentator from Indian the right thing that CSOs should play the major role. Its really truth.
why the host don't allow the naga representatives to speak out their whole topics? horrible debate...truth will prevail now or the other day ... history is very clear and all the nagas are aspiring as one nation....
Calm down calm down guys!!! U knw y india the second most populous country in the world cant suppress naga? Can meiteis kukis or mizos claim like the nagas? I dnt think so coz ders no solid reason to... So instead of hampering the peace process, wudnt it be bettr if everyone have some empathy against each other?
U r proud that u claim something which others cant but the sad part is it still remain as a dream???? R u still happy n proud?????
@@blackout8443 y r u so bothered if its just a dream?
I think naga people are right ...I been observing this issue for a long time in any debate ... settle it in a peaceful way I urge the Manipuri people...
why meitei people should object to 6th schedule if they resist nagalim which is understandable given the present political scenario, assam has allowed autonomy to all tribals, why manipur is not ready for that.
If Meiteis and Assam were so concerned about it's territorial integrity, what were they doing when Naga territories were added to their states?
They should've rebelled when Naga territories were added to their state territory.
Now that Nagas want to take back their rightful land, they are against it.
This shows their greediness. They want to take something which does not belong to them at all.
Wait, are we dealing with thieves and landgrabbers???
There is no Nagas in Manipur. The fact is that the so called Nagas in Manipur was brought under the Naga umbrella only a couple of hundred years ago. Before that Manipur History dates back to thousands of years in the BC. Did you know that the earlier territory of Manipur (pre British) extends up to Thibomei (Dimapur) in Nagaland and Cachar in Assam and Chindwin River in Myanmar
@@selloymangang .
Truly, there are no Nagas in Manipur, because Manipur consist of only the valley aka Kangleipak where the Meiteis lived. The surrounding hills were never part of Manipur. The Nagas living on the hills were never under Kangleipak's rule nor did they associate with the Meiteis. So, when you use the word Manipur, you should only refer it to the Kangleipak of the past and not the present "Indian created" political Manipur.
@@robviirobviina5512 Google search for old maps of Manipur (British era) and you will understand how wrong you are all this time
@@robviirobviina5512 are you stupid? Naga are not after the land but the trade route, they want to obliterate Meitei once and for all, everybody see it, they are already very hostile and want to extort
@@sadanandathongam5915 , hostile?
Well, if that is your opinion I have no say.
But how is your comment even related to the subject of this discussion?
Manipur Meitei should support and consider Nagas of Manipur in the peace solution. We will live as good neighborhood and help each other in time of trouble and difficulties in the future.
what about burma naga not including burma land inhabit by naga burma its only manipur assam and arunachal what about burma
Thats will be done
Lots of technical issues.... Try and fix it!
Naga has every rights to receives any development packages.
Why only naga, every Indian community has right to receive any package
In which nagas story says ,,, the part of nagaland at Assam ,, Manipur ,,, aruncha ,,
Mr Kakar don't interpret wrongly history of Manipur. You don't know nothing about the Maharaj's of Manipur. We have enough documents since 33 AD about the territory of Manipur. I have request to Mr Kakar don't make stupid comments about the kingdom of Manipur without knowing anything.
Are you implying that the Nagas and their lands are subjects of the meitei kings??
Beautiful life lol what? Slaves of kukis? 😂😂.
Don't take it in a literal sense when brotherhood is mentioned. It can only be a figure of speech. In a sense, the Nagas being the earlier settlers was called the early or elder one.
There is a different in culture and administration and hence the Nagas sticked to the traditional way of village system whereas the meiteis went on with the monarchy where the power was centralised.
Dear Himalaya,
Nagaland was form from the NEFA , it was separated from Assam. This is the Nagas history. They don't have any evidence regarding the their evolution, they don't have script, even they are necked since early 20th century. Whereas Manipur has own language, script, tradition and rich culture.
Obviously, we have 3 time larger territory of the present area (22,372 sq.km.) it was occupied up to Barak valley in West, in north covered Entire Nagas hills, to the east up to Kabo valley presently in Myanmar.
But haven't claimed these areas because after the defeat in Anglo Manipuri war between the Bristish and Manipur in 1891. The then Bristish empire demarcate the present area.
If supposed we claimed our land now, then even the Nagaland is the part of Manipur.
Aisho Sharma it is a fact that the Nagas do not have scripture or any support to their origin other than mere folklore passed down orally. However the fact still remains that the Nagas were always a sovereign entity that is until the British conquered 30% of the modern Naga tribal boundary (not the Indian or Burmese international boundary).
I would also like to mention that it is a misconception on the part of the meiteis to think that the land of the Nagas were under the Manipuri kingdom. No, the Nagas and the meitei kingdom are totally two different things. Never were the Nagas conquered by the meitei kings. There are instances of skirmishes and conflict like the conflict between the Marams Nagas and the king of Manipur then who was allegedly killed by the Marams and his head taken as a trophy(I have a meitei senior geologist whoni stayed together with and have had some few talks about this-- he agrees to this ).
When you say that Nagaland was a part of Manipur and Assam I agree that there is no fault in that. Indeed all of the Naga territory was included in the map of Assam and Manipur. But that does not mean Manipur conquered the Nagas and the land was ruled by them( meitei).
That is barely a map drawn by the British without the consent of the Nagas. *Strictly not the territory of the Manipur kingdom but rather a map drawn by the Britishers* the old map is drawn by the British I repeat.
Nothing changes by the fact that the Nagas did not have a script or historical database. What is theirs rightfully is theirs.
A sense of identity only emerged during the mid or early 1900's. Yes and it was done so based on the similarity of our traditions and customs. After all most of our folktales points to a common migration point i.e makhel where the tribes parted towards their own settlements.
Nothing changes and facts will remain facts.
I honestly do not know much about the burmese and the meitei affair and their boundaries but this I know that the land of the Nagas were never a part of Manipur until the British and later the Indian government did so.
Yongna tan yenbei fibamdo lak a...Government of India should know and respect all the 9 Articles of Manipur Merger agreement 1949 sign by Maharaja Bodhchandra ..Before it was Kangleipak under one kingdom..
And the kangleipak was only the valley
Nagaland internet seems to have a problem😂
This is the idea and policy of India to divide our brotherhood to delay on peace process and not willing to free Nagaland very soon .This world is full of dirty politics which GOI taking a main role to tackle Nagaland.Handfull advice is that we northeast state should unite together to free one state so that in the near future that freed state might do good with the Other northeastern State ..what goes around comes around ....Thank you ....from Nagaland
Indian army is not there for picnic..... Indian army will annihilate all insurgents
Naga Territorial Council and Kuki Territorial Council within Manipur perhaps would be the best way forward for Manipur....
hello NE live please call Mr. Irendro he will give every answer about Manipur
An example of useless debate.
I'm not against Naga peace accord but what they're demanding is impossible. I'm belong to Dimasa Kachari &
In that case we would like to get back our land #DIMAPUR from so-called Nagaland🤔
Arong imchen British gave the Manipuri king the territorial area of Manipur including kohima(now nagaland capital). There's a carved footprint of our King in your state museum too. The NSCN and all were too embarrassed to keep it, so they even tried to destroy it.
Miscreant Minion sorry you metei people ‘ve never chance to take kohima...
Yaoring As In 1833, King Gambhir Singh went for conquest to Kohima (aka Thibomei then) in the military expeditions to Naga hills in 1831-1833 and had his footprints sculptured as a mark.
Yaoring As read this book bitch. It's written by James Johnstone himself.
www.gutenberg.org/files/37839/37839-h/37839-h.htm
Arong imchen
"King Ghumbeer Singh reduced several villages to submission, including the largest of all, Kohima, at which place he stood upon a stone and had his footprints sculptured on it, in token of conquest. This was set up in a prominent position, together with an upright stone bearing carved figures and an inscription. The Nagas greatly respected this stone and cleaned it from time to time"
Read this bitch. It's quoted directly from the book written by James Johnstone himself. #EvidenceMadafaka
www.gutenberg.org/files/37839/37839-h/37839-h.htm
Related issue about Manipur state,Manipur pangal and other communities not only meiteis need to involve any concern but most of saying only meiteis make the envolment is wrong view.They do not fight but Manipur pangals and other have been fighting like Naga peace talk issue or.
We meiteis are not bishnupriyas. How can meitei be bishnupriyas? Meiteis n bishnupriyas are totally different in every aspects. Kaka eralu himself said meiteis r younger brothers of tangkhul, then how can u say again meiteis r bishnupriya. Meitei has the history of more than 2000 years old which is not oral history but documented history. Meiteis r ready to produce all the documents available to prove its territory and its 2000 years old history. But how was tangkhul who was the big brother of meiteis converted to nagas? Pan movement is a rejected doctrine whole over the world. The man who was considered to b the most powerful in the world named HITLER tried this doctrine of PAN MOVEMENT. He even failed to prove this dangerous doctrine to b applicable. Insisting of such outdated and draconian movement called PAN MOVEMENT OF ANY COMMUNITY whatever it may b will be never b successful n will create only turmoil n chao in Northeast. We should never accept such type of doctrine.
Akoijam Singh im agree with you brother Meitei are not bishnupriya we live under meitei kingdom ( Kangleipak)
Leave peacefully atleast we can help each other
Arong imchen but unfornately there were no nagas in manipur in the history of kangleipak. If tangkhuls are nagas then meiteis should be nagas, as meitei being small brother of tangkhul. But it can never b possible to claim tangkhul as nagas. Better not to interfere the conflict of meitei brothers in manipur by any outsiders....
Akoijam Singh Brother can i ask you a one thing?
Arong imchen ha ha.lol.....y u outsiders are very interested in someone's problem....i really confused....who r u to tell me to get lost from ukhrul?....if u give me the answers of my few questions i will immediately support ur point of view: 1. How and when was the term naga originated in manipur? Were there nagas in manipur whereever it may be(both hills n valley of manipur) before NSCN was formed? Why r u trying to break the brotherly relationship between tangkhuls and meiteis? Prove and show the unique history of nagas in manipur? Many tribes (who claim themselves to b naga, like kabui, maring, chothe and many more) inhabitated in of manipur (known as kangleipak before a bengali missionary came to kangleipak to preach bhaishnavism)never support ur so called outdated and rejected pan naga movement in manipur. If we support assam and insist the assamese to fulfil their demand to regain dimapur, how will u feel? If we support the demand of the people of eastern nagaland, how will u feel?....i hope u will not want us to interfere n to give comment in ur case...like we the manipuris both in hills n valley never expect any outside to interfere to others problem....🤔🤔
We Nagas are not demanding anything from India we are only asking you to withdrew Your Mighty occupational force from my country Nagalim and be a good neighbour otherwise our big brothers China will come to rescue us in the days to come...
shiva verma it's not about racism, it is frustration you don't have the knowledge about what had happened to the Nagas how rudeless the Indian army is thousands of innocent have been killed and thousands of womens have been rape under AFPSA, why you don't give us peace you will never know how much we are suffering.....
shiva verma if you want prove go to Geneva our documents are kept there save and sound, please check the video in you tube Nagas cry for freedom, and read the books Naga saga where Indian army atrocities committed to ward Nagas,where did I mention I hate India i,m peacefully demanding to withdrew Your occupational force you Indian should be ashamed to crush such a tiny Nation with rudeless method, we don't want to be the enemy of your country since 1918 we are peacefully asking the British and Indians to recognise our Sovereignty we declare independence on 14 August 1947 with the consent of Mahatma Gandhi not without your will but Nehru blunder us for his political gain and order to kill every living being in Nagalim and divided us into in Assam, Manipur, Arunachal and Myanmar even our village chief house of longwa village had been divided into India and Myanmar in 1952 Indian army started killing civilians in Naga hills then only Naga army was form for self defence, even in 1962 China pressure us to go war with India but we refuse because we believe that India will recognised our Sovereignty like British did, in fact many of the Nagas also help Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose.. nowhere in the history of Nagas hate Indian but your country are continuing to deny our rights to Sovereignty, if you think we are survive by centre fund please left us alone..
Angki Kehoang
First liberate naga areas of Myanmar
Angki Kehoang
Forget freedom....hail Indian army
The Nagas in Manipur are deprived of any development and job opportunities as compared to the meities. Many of my friends have to apply for Central posts because they do not get selected for state public services due to corruption. The Naga areas in other states are suffering and in a backward status because they are in the minority.
We don't face any problems here lol...
Shut up twit, two Tangkhul CMs have had a major reign on the state besides the fact that Hills chairman, RV Mingthing, who incidentally happens to be my uncle as my mom is a niece of him and a Tangkhul who has lost her bros in the silly fight for a fictional Nagalim , never worked for the welfare of the people. Why play the victim card when you know that it is the leaders you elected that has caused the lack of developments. Why the fuck should you keep blaming the govt when the meitei community has faced the same treatment by the leaders. So stop the sectarian politics and call a a spade a spade.
If you want to go with Nagaland just demand everything whatever benefits you guys are getting from the Manipur government
HerozWe will fight for our ancestral Land till the End of the World
We want separate administration
GOI should now understand the rights of Naga peoples and give what she has to get.
why is the network so bad?? big issue lol