On Cloudboom Echo 3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Can the third time be the charm for an On racing shoe? This is the Cloudboom Echo 3.
0:00 intro
1:00 Disclosures
1:19 Specs
2:52 What’s it like
5:38 Is is good?
7:10 Competitors (that don’t exist anymore)
8:05 Competitors (that are on the market now)
9:05 Complements
10:14 Buying Guide
Disclosures: On provided these shoes for review. However, no one is paying me to make this video or to use this shoe. No one will get a chance to preview any of my footage or my thoughts before this video goes up on TH-cam.
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$290??? $72 per race. Maybe actually less than 4 marathons because nobody is gonna race this straight out of the box without testing it on a long run.
ideally you would want to wait until it goes on sale
@@liiou4445how often do On shoes go on sale? I think they’re like Hoka where they won’t discount a shoe until the next one is imminent. Perhaps if it does really poorly places like RW will offer sales, but still. 20% off of $290 is still well above $200. When you can get a Vaporfly or adios pro or Endorphin pro for that price or even less, then it really is whether you want that On branding and aesthetic or not.
people spend $300 on dinner and drinks for 2 to celebrate the weekend
@@kalvin.Exactly, there are so many nice shoes on the market right now with reasonable prices, so I don't think that it is worth it to spend 300$ for a few races, I have a pair of ON cloudgo and my wife has a pair of ON cloudstratus, they are not worth the price they are listed for, overpriced, overhype but nice looking shoes.
NOW NOW NOW
By far my favorite shoe in the last 12 months. High stability (I’m a bilateral BKA) and I really feel stable on the pavement. Awesome review Sir!
Third time’s the charm is killing it 🔥
Kofuzi the best shoe reviewer on TH-cam bless for you and your family keep it up bro you're doing amazing job and thanks for having us very informative 🎉🎉
thank you for your kind words
I give this Kofuzi review an A+. The puddle splash and the frog footage put it over.
Hmm missed the frog, will have to watch it again.
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Congratulations! An excellent overall evaluation of the sneaker, in the details of the experience and the final comparison with other similar models. Very good indeed! It allowed me to have a very clear position on what to expect from tennis. And here in Brazil, at the official ON store, we have a price that is surprisingly lower than in other regions.
I'm glad you found it helpful!
Great review. I think pricing is really off I mean 290$ is really unreasonnable even for racing shoes.
Oo
On is ...different. It seems like they make nice apparel, but it is also really overpriced.
They want to market themselves as higher end, but not so sure that's justified right now.
their racing singlets are around 90$ ...lol
@@honestguide4552same as Nike
160$ now
Dope opener Ko!! Your videos get me hyped every time!!!
thanks so much!
Awesome Review!
i respect so much the fact that you critisize the price of a shoe that was sponsored to you. And totally agree, on is by no means a brand that is worth the money, we can definitely find equal or better shoes that are 100€ down
The best review!
thanks!
Hey Kofuzi, I hope you're well! What are your current favourite daily, recovery and speed (not race) trainers? I am looking to run more frequently and most of my pairs now are quite worn out. Thank you for providing quality content as always :)
They’re beautiful 😮❤
Great analysis 👍
thanks for watching!
4 marathons? Damn Im sticking with my adios pro 3.
Ah yes, I remember the Carbon Rocket! And I kinda knew you were gonna say that with how you were leading into it.
But I’m not seeing how the CloudBoom Echo 3 can be like both the Carbon Rocket and the Rocket X 2 (two very different experiences IMO) unless it sits in a gulf between them.
Regardless, at that price point, durability, and questionable grip, I don’t think I can roll the dice.
Great review as always though, Michael!
Definitely looking to add this to my new rotation
hope you enjoy
I loved the carbon rockets!!
Great review, would love to try these but at $300 I will pass. 105mile durability is wild
off topic, but have you been running lately with this air quality being bad?
I've been looking forward to your thoughts on this one. I'm glad ON is finally getting on your good books, Ko. Also, the music choice in your videos has been fire lately. Do you listen to The Glitch Mob by any chance?
Bonus Game: How many times does Kofuzi say 'On' in this video?
I’ve always been rooting for On
@@kofuzi That's good to know. I've been rooting for them too but for a while it seems they weren't releasing anything too overly exciting for their prices. Always a great looking shoe though.
How do you feel about all the athletes and triathletes joining ON? Do you feel like it will help them as a brand with development etc.?
This is a pair of shoes that look amazing!
it is quite stunning
Excellent review - I am really surprised by the longevity of this shoe - how would compare this to the Hoka Mach X?
im def gonnaa wake up at 5AM & buy this LOL ive been waiting for 2 years!!!
I just got the Takumi Sen 9, I feel if you needed to, it could go the half marathon distance for a race.
Kofuzi looking like john wich today 😂😜👌 good review!
fun fact:
when I went to get a haircut before Boston, I asked if they could cut my hair like Han from Tokyo Drift. They had ho idea what I was talking about. So I said, "then what about Keanu Reaves?"
I should have been more specific because I initially felt like it looked more like Bill and Ted than it did John Wick.
On really is focusing on a premium product at a premium price. Pricing there shoe near the top end and making no excuses when it comes to durability and that it is a race day shoe only. In a lot of ways I can see how it makes sense for a certain target market.
this is probably the best take on this shoe that I've seen in these comments
Everyone is hyping this shoe up, just waiting on your honest opinion on these 🙏🏾 thanks for the video Ko!
That price, oof. Was down with everything until that. Also hopefully our air quality gets better soon. It's sad to see all these sunny days go by while exercising indoors
Great review thank you what you tho k about the On Monster with in between the 3 and the surfer ?
They are very different shoes for very different kinds of running, like comparing a pickup truck to an economy car to a race car
I like the look of the shoe. And it's got my kind of drop. I look forward to trying it. The price hurts though.
Hmm, I think it misses that (idk the correct word) bump in the middle...that ends up feeling like it's pushing you're feet forward. I believe Mizuno Wave Rebellion Pro is much better. Haven't used Hoka Rocket x2 but hope to do it soon. Thanks for the review.
I habe trouble finding a fast shoe that is pretty wide in the forefoot cause of my footshape. Is this one worth a try y think?
That's a really good looking shoe.
I agree
correct
they look phenom on a good pair of running legs
you flirting with me?
@@kofuzihahaha 😂
Hey, Kofuzi, I saw you running in an Asics singlet in an old video. I can't remember the video, but the singlet was "hazard green" colour with black line on the back and darker green stripes. I was wondering how it's in the warmer weather, is it breathable, any chafing spots and how's the fit? Because I wanna buy the same singlet but there's no information about it anywhere. I am an S size in Asics clothes usually. Thanks.
It’s a great singlet. Highly recommend
@@kofuzi thanks
Woke up to several videos on this shoe….watched Ko’s video and dont need to watch any of the others
Great review video as always!
But the video resolution only has 360p? guess something is wrong here
Edit: Now I can watch at a higher resolution!
i'm watching this @ 1080p
@@Y2hlc3Rlcg I see, probably is my issue here then
takes time for TH-cam to process. if you got the video at 360, it means you are watching it almost immediately after I uploaded. consider it hot off the presses.
Disposable shoes. Does ON sell a 6 pack with a spring loaded dispenser?
I have tried some On shoes on the store and definitely some of the don’t agree with my feet 🤷🏻♂️ maybe in a few more versions they will do something to them and I will be able to try them. Yo, what’s going on!!!
Kofuzi on 6/28: "The embargo lifts at 9AM Central European Standard Time. I think that's 2AM, I don't think I am going to publish a video right at that time. I just don't know if I'll be ready but it should be ready first thing in the morning."
Kofuzi on 6:29: Publishes video "first thing in the morning" at 2AM central time (9AM CEST)
Hey man have you seen the new goruck rough runners? Im pretty interested in your opinion on em
I'm not familiar
@@kofuzi th-cam.com/video/XIE8Qb7fTT0/w-d-xo.html
Hi buddy question do ever change the insole to any of your running shoes if so can you explain which one you use cheers!!
no. it would interfere with my ability to review a shoe properly
@@kofuzi thank you sir !!
This is off topic but I don’t know how else to ask. Do you have any recommendations on singlets? I am looking for a brand that’s a little tighter around the neck area if that makes sense. I have tried some asic ones but I have to buy large to fit right but they drop down too much in the front.
try Craft
@@kofuzi ok thanks!
Don’t you think Cloud Surfer is a very soft shoe? Perhaps a bit too soft for faster running? Is Echo more bouncy?
the Cloudsurfer is a daily trainer
Is it worth getting a recovery run specific shoe? I currently have the superblast, endo speed 3, and alpha v1
Two ways to look at it: (1) other than daily trainer, all the other categories of shoes are kind of optional at some level
(2) depending on how you use your Superblast, you may already have a recovery run specific shoe in your rotation
Yo, some say that carbon plated race shoes are better than daily trainers even for easy run. Any thoughts on that?
I think plate has too much efect on lower leg muscles and that can lead to injuries. Also Racing shoes nowdays are just soo expensive to just use them for everyday training
Theres just no reason to use it for easy runs. Plated shoes are thick and give extra propulsion. Daily trainers alr give great cushioning plus great support (plated shoe doesnt has it) and it doesnt propel u. Easy runs are slower runs so it doesnt matter.
@@rokrudman3081 exactly. I just wanna share how other runnners think about it in the west to many runners in Korea cuz some of them say carbon shoes can replace all other shoes.
@@yankaitan8648 i totally agree with you. It's just that some running youtuber back in Korea only promotes carbon shoes saying that it can replace all other shoes.
Totally
when are we gonna get the 100mile review! I really wanna know how it hold up! @kofuzi how would u compare the boom3 with the metaspeed sky? Is it more durable or Fun? would be happy if you let me know, I wanna buy my first race shoe this March was thinking of Metaspeed Sky or boom3.
More durable? No. It says so right on the Cloudboom echo 3 box
More fun? Nob
@@kofuzi so u recommend the Metaspeed Sky over the boom 3?
Is it quick to wear in the triatlon?
(Cloudboom3)
It's really hard for me to come around on a brand that keeps touting its supposedly "innovative cloud technology" for the masses while clearly acknowledging with the design choices on its more serious models like this one that the "clouds" are complete BS.
Hello,
I'm 25 years old and today I tried MAF heart rate trainning for the first time after seeing multiple videos on youtube about that type of trainning.
People normal reaction when they try to do MAF trainning is that they need to slow down substantially in order to maintain heart rate on their "sweet spot".
I was on the other side of the spectrum, I couldnt reach my heart rate (180-25=155), not even close to that.
I ran at a pace 30 seconds faster that I normaly run confortably and my heart race was about 130-140.
Is it possible that I have been running to slow all my life? Or my watch isnt that precise when it comes to monitoring heart rate? I have a garmin forerruner 245.
I'm doing my first cicle to the marathon so I dont want to try much new stuff, but I was just curious.
with Maffetone, the first think I always check is HR accuracy. try a chest strap monitor.
I have issues with many wrist based HR sensors (not sure if it's wrist shape, skin tone, or what).
@@kofuzi Today I went for another run trying MAF trainning, same course just a different day.
Now this time I had the same reaction like everyone. I couldnt mantain my normal pace. I needed to slow down like 1 min. My normal pace is 6:40/km and I ran 7:40/km.
I dont know why when I tried the first time I couldnt reach 155 bpms running 6:09/km, but now trying the second time I was "relieved" to have the same reaction like everyone else.
Could be because I was basicly doing recovery runs last week after a 15K Race and when I went for the first run trying MAF I was well rested.
Lets see how It goes in the next workouts.
ON needs to drop the swiss cheese hole design. I'm sure they can implement a Nike Airpod design and it'll still fit the design language
I never want a race shoe with AirPods. It may be rare but they collapse or break on ppl and that would be a disaster on a major race. Have you tried either this or the Cloudsurfer? I have the latter and it’s a great shoe with a similar design of the midsole.
when I saw 3 or 4 videos post off this shoe, I figured the embargo was over.. haha 😂
strangest embargo, but I presume that it has to do with global regions
How do these feel for being on your feet all day & walking?
There was a long stuff going on at the end of this video lol I think I might need an extended version of the B reel
I'd never seen frogs so small. and I had no idea why they were all moving away from the pond at the same time
Black Friday sale! Come on On!
I laud your optimism
Crazy expensive in Switzerland were they come from CHF 360 thats almost USD 400 I dont even think to buy them
It looks like this shoes are more like to be compare to Takumi sen 9.
In what way to you think they are different?
I specifically discuss the takumi sen at the end of this video
What about size? It s the same than adizero adios pro 3 or endorphin pro 3? Thanks
I wear the same size for all of those shoes
No more holes in version 6 (prediction hehe)
Crazy, it's more expensive than alphafly 2 in Canada 😂
i mean tred negatives arent really a big deal tbh, the main thing you need is on road grip and breathability in a race for a shoe like this
id try the cloud surfer before this one just due to cost and longevity
tread grip in wet conditions isn't a problem until you don't have it and it's a messy aid station
@@kofuziyou raise a good point sir, v true
I really wish On would get their shit together with their pricing. If they’d drop every model by about $40, they’d get much less hate.
either it's not working for them and they will change.
or it's working exactly as they intend
@@kofuzi I see a ton of them around, so it’s not like they’re hurting for cash lol
Release date for Hoka Mach X?
this is a review for an On shoe
Which better this one or Vaporfly 3?
I’ve not tried vaporfly next 3
Yeah I dunno about this. For $10 I can get a prime x strung at full price and probably run that thing over in my car and still be able to run in it, or any other race shoe out and have money left over. Plus it's not even a full 40mm. Not for me but if people love it then that's cool
I know the price point will be contentious but 300 dollars for a 100 mile shoe is a bit much. I could maybe get around it if it was a true marathon racer but this thing looks like it can’t go the distance. The aesthetics are off the chart though.
When do mere mortals get to buy this shoe? Any idea? It’s been “Coming soon” for like a year?? Still cannot buy in Canada June 30, 2023.
I think early July
Looks good. But a tad pricey considering you can pick up better shoes on sale at a much lower price.
like I said, the dollars per mile warriors are going to be unhappy
Hope I'm not late to a party yet~!
And this is different from the one hellen obiri wore? I hope On releases that too or it may be your shoes' prototype...? 😮
my understanding is that this is what she wore for both her marathon win and her recent 10k win
@@kofuzithey look different though? they called the boston pair as cloudtri 1. Hoping on sheds more info. 😁
It’s different, yes. Boston pair was a tri prototype.
The puddle doesn’t quite have the cachet of running through a Lake Michigan wave, but love it nonetheless 😄
I'll take the fun where I can
Was there even a Cloudboom Echo 2?
I did not review any prior versions of this shoe
Probably a good shoe, but $290 is a steep price.
It doesn't matter how this performs because the people buying them will be RNs and ED/inpatient physicians
this comment is as unimaginative as it is inapplicable to this particular shoe
360p???
you got here early. TH-cam processing takes time
Is it a coincidence that this shoe seems to work by having less of the trademark “cloud” drilled holes midsole effect? Sorry I just never bought into that gimmicky technology that they were trying to sell when they first came out and thought it was just a marketing scheme.🤷♂️
Can't afford it just here to see how it looks like :D
nothing wrong with a little window shopping
5k shoe?
Would be a very good 5k racer, although perhaps a bit pricey for that use case
Heard a Hoka rep say RX2 was a '100 mile shoe'
interesting. I've not heard anything like that
Hi, love your videos, but 250 oder even 300 are no reasonable prices! We can see them at sale, when a fe Vaporfly comes down to 150 euro. These are the real prices. And then ON wants you to pay 300 for a 160km shoe? Come on! At the time now adidas is selling the Takumi Sen 9 for 120 euro, thats fair.
When you can get a Vaporfly 2 for $150 I feel like it's hard to justify $270. Maybe that's just me.
the brilliant thing about Nike pricing is that, during off times, they drop the price to older Vaporly colors. but when it comes near major marathon times, it tends to get difficult to find a vaporfly 2 at that much of a discount (at least as far as I've observed. I don't keep super close tabs on what Nike does in terms of pricing)
Looks like a Lacoste shoe 🐊
I'd rock a Lacoste
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Thats crazy I would never pay that much you only 120 miles put of it.
I agree that it's expensive. but I suppose the value of miles per dollar is different depending on what kind of miles it delivers. if a shoe could help you get to just one marathon PR, would $290 be worth it? perhaps. perhaps not.
A very strange marketing flop by On to verbalize durability. Why mention it when you dont need to? This immediately limits expectations that consumers have for the shoe and even if runners won't use it for 4 marathons, you've set limitations. Seems like a fun shoe tho
assuming it degrades as I might expect, it would be a strange move. but maybe something happens after 100 miles?
First
Yo!
So over a dollar a mile? sheesh.
Get ready. If this thing sells, expect the other manufacturers to follow suit. Maybe not $290 but I'm guessing the next round of super shoes will start at $275. 🤦🏻♂️
if you keep saying it enough, you may eventually be right.
(but see Speedland PDX, Prime X, Endorphin Elite)
Too much money for too little durability and what you are getting. I would rather get the Mizunos. Cheaper and will almost certainly last MUCH longer.
$280.... hilarious
Let's see who can sell the most expensive shoe for the least amount of miles...let's throw them all in the landfill when we're done with them and then buy more. Let's base weights and useability on skinny bois with smaller feet and no body mass, so actual wear will vary dramatically. Sounds like a great business plan for everyone.
I think Brooks wins with the Hyperion Elite 1. Original anticipated lifespan: 25 miles.
$290 for 4 marathons?? sillyness
numbers we haven't seen in a while
Why not even a mention of the Vaporfly? Isn't that still a king of the hill type of shoe? I would have liked to have seen something... anything.... more quantitative. Barring an actual PB in a marathon, maybe like comparing your average and max heart rate for the same intervals in the two shoes. $290 is a lot of coin to drop on "Swiss styling." There damned well better be PRIZE MONEY!
I generally find quantitive shoe review data to be "quantitative" at best, giving but the illusion of objective repeatability
A very sizable number of runners cannot wear the Vaporfly because of the narrow last and arch bump. It is no longer the single shoe to which all must be compared. Even the pros aren’t nearly all racing in it anymore with all the many super shoe options out there.
This is ridiculous - $290 for 104 miles/168k!? I hope this is a joke or they will drop the price, introduce a training companion etc very soon!
Could be due to living in the gloomy, rainy UK, but: those aren't clouds any more
Some clouds are bigger than others
@garethevans2499 Have you tried the Cloudsurfer, which has the same newer general midsole design? It truly feels soft and cloud like, more so than any previous On shoe.
Unless they discount their shoes, I will not buy On
$270 for a shoe that can only go 4 marathons??? Even the vaporfly lasts longer wtf
I agree that it costs a lot. but two quick points.
1. the vaporfly didn't always give us as many miles as it did (and I prefer the ride of the vaporfly from back when it didn't last so long).
2. what if the vaporfly doesn't work for you? doesn't matter how durable it is if you hate it.