It only adds weight, price, and reduced gas mileage. With global warming in full stride, you won't have to worry about snow. Besides, minivans and AWD are oxymoron
Yeah, and it's junk. It'll fall apart and need warranty repairs within a couple of years. One of the rear seats even broke in this video on the show vehicle. No thanks. I'll stick to Toyota. I have 16 year old Gen 2 Prius, and a 12 year old Prius V, and we'll be trading in the Prius V for a Sienna as soon as they get my order in. No worries, I can wait. We have over two years before our second baby could be coming along.
I don't understand the hate with minivans. I personally have a diesel pickup and a mini van as my two vehicles and it's the perfect combo. Truck does truck things, van does van things. It's comfy to drive, super versatile with the stow-n-go seats, and my daughter loves it. I've even camped in it and I've transported my daughter's small ATV in it. It's friggin sweet.
I don't understand the hate either. Minivans are the most versatile vehicles. I drove to the airport 3 adults, 3 children passengers, 10 large luggages (50 pounds), 5 carry on luggage, with 22 MPG. What car can you do that with?
I have transported everything with my minivan. 10x8s, washer and dryer at the same time (with second row chairs removed) , concrete bags, everything I could fit in it 😁
One of my biggest regrets (somewhere in my top 20) is not pushing my family to get a minivan 7 years ago. We got an MDX and its a nightmare in terms of space, at least as a three row.
Kia's have REALLY stepped up their designs way more than toyota or honda have over the past few years. This looks so much better than a traditional mini van look. My next car is going to be a station wagon, and I was really regretting it, because as a guy, I don't want to drive something that LOOKS like a minivan. This is the first one I've seen that looks more like it's just an extended length, regular SUV. That doesn't look like it's an obvious soccer mom car. Thank you kia
Everyone says "they're junk" but every Kia I've driven has been very nice, loaded with features that the competition does not have. It doesn't surprise me that the interior of the Kia was more luxurious than in the Toyota.
kia's ARE junk, they lure you in with their warranty and their interiors, but you will soon learn why people stay away from kia's. very shallow cars with more style than substance. their value drops very fast and will often not last long. good luck with that.
@@emikomina FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CRY ABOUT KIA RELIABILITY: TOYOTA admitted that data on the power output of 10 models sold worldwide had been manipulated, prompting an apology from Toyota President Koji Sato to the company’s customers. Toyota Motor Corp. said on Monday that power output data had been manipulated for 10 of its models sold globally. Toyota Industries said Monday it fabricated data on the torque output of diesel engines it makes and supplies to Toyota, resulting in a partial halt of shipments of its cars. An independent investigation has expanded to uncover "irregularities" in data for safety tests on 64 models, including 22 sold under the Toyota brand. It means Daihatsu, which first fessed up to rigged data in April and again in May, joins the massed ranks of shamed Japanese automakers discovered to have been concocting test data. Daihatsu (TOYOTA OWNED) stopped all shipments at home and abroad last month due to safety test rigging. Hino motors (TOYOTA OWNED) admitted in March 2022 to submitting fraudulent emissions and fuel economy data to transport authorities.
My cousin always had minivans, I was never a fan, but now that I've spent time in my cousin's van I hate my car. The van is so much nicer. Sure if you've got kids they are great, but if you are taking care of older parents they are fabulous too. Older people and handicap people often take a toll when doing long trips, those reclining seats would be amazing for them. Plus, minivans are just more comfortable for anyone. Now that the gas mileage is better I'm all for having one. Plus, this Kia looks really amazing inside and out.
Toyota needs a Sienna prime!! They didn’t have the platinum version which has 4 zone climate and the ottomans, powered tilt/slide steering wheel, 12 way powered front seats, auto wipers, adaptive headlights.. also Sienna has had ottomans since the 2011 model year so nothing really new there
But the Kia has power second row seats and ventilated rear seats. And also only the driver seat gets 4 way lumbar. The passenger seat only moves in 4 ways vs 8 ways on the Kia And the Kia has a rear sunroof that opens which the sienna used to have
@@Georgewashington-o7m SAYS THE F LOSER WHO ONLY DRIVE FERRARIS RIGHT? READ ABOUT THE RECENT TOYOTA RECALLS AND THEM LYING ABOUT THEIR PERFORMNACE AND SAFETY, GOOGLE IT.
Welcome to Chicago. Good luck finding a Sienna on a lot. Been on the wait list for 3 months. Plus lowest I have seen is MSRP. Started to look at odyssey and carnival so this was very helpful.
I really don't understand why there's a such shortage of Sienna. Is Toyota still having supply and manufacturing issues or they simply can't build the Sienna fast enough
@@whyallthefuss201 Toyota minivan sells very well in Asia and other emerging markets. In US, Toyota SUV generates more profits. The correct question should be "Why would Toyota ship more minivans to US to cannibalize its own SUV sales and generate less profit?"
@@CharDaiDaddy Toyota Siennas sold in the US are made in the US. From what I am able to gather, the Indiana factory is making as many Siennas as possible. Maybe they simply miscalculated the demand
Demand of Sienna is very high. I waited over 1 year to buy my 2023 Sienna AWD in east coast at MSRP, and glad I waited. I am averaging 37 mpg overall and it drives well. Toyota’s reliability is unmatched.
From 2022+ Kia Carnival General Discussion Forum : I just got the 2023 SX Prestige but there has been some rattling noise when I driver on the bumpy road/ uneven surfaced road. I have this also. Same (perceived) location. Can't really pinpoint location. May be in driver's door as it sometimes goes away if I open and close the door at a stop. I just got a new Kia carnival 2024 sx and am hearing the same rattling near the front side/seat belt column area on both drivers and passengers door. Yep. Same issue with me. It seems to only make the noise on the highway. But it is totally random. I’m having the same issue with my 2024 SX prestige. The noise seems to be from driver/sliding door on driver side. I have the 2024 Kia Carnival and I hear rattling noise when I drive over uneven roads/pavement coming from the rear of the vehicle. Got our 2023 SX Prestige last week and from the first mile itself, I could hear some clunking noise from the back when I go over bad patches of road/speed bumps. did anyone had same problem as mine... squeaking / creaking sound from dashboard when drive on uneven / bumpy road... Yes! Got our car on Oct 22, 2022. It’s an ex 2023. Today 10/27/2022 I started to notice. Creaking noise when I stop and go and on some slightly bumpy roads…. I don’t like it I have a kia carnival sx prestige, I have the creaking sound just whenever it wants to make the noise, I have replaced the struts and mounts, leftside lower control arm and the brakes and still the same sound, took it to kia and they charged me for 2 hours of trying to figure it out, 465.00 . I had someone tell me it sounds like 2 pieces of plastic scraping rubbing together and the noise sounds like under the driver's seat to him. I about to trade it for a dodge. I have a noise at random times on the highway. Sounds like it is coming from the lower part of the driver side door. Anyone find a fix for this, my 22 EX+ model is doing this, seems like plastic trim behind the dual screens in the noise source.
@@mattblock6616 Good for them. Normal people don't want to change tires every 6 months. Good all season tires and AWD is the way to go. My mazda is amazing with regular tires.
@@xtremecoast define normal. And how much of these "normal" are in the majority. Ppl but a lot of fwd cars in winter areas. And have you heard of tire rotations?
I've said this in other videos. I test drove the SX, dark package. A few things for my fellow shoppers: If you get the entertainment addition and you don't have the power seats in the second row, when you pull the lever to bring the seats forward they come with so much velocity that they will crash into the screen. Check it out for yourself. If you're not holding with both hands that seat whips forward. The HUD is very faint if you are wearing polarized sunglasses. If you want the VIP chairs, check where your feet are bc you most likely will be tucked under the front seats. It seemed more like a gimmick than true comfort.
We were looking at Vans couple years ago like 2019 I show my wife to sienna she said that thing is ugly I showed her the Odyssey she fell in love with the Odyssey we still have it to this day and it rides good and great and comfortable.
Will you be able to buy either lol Siennas are a long wait right now and Kia Canada is withholding a lot of deliveries particularly hybrids, I'm not optimistic.
It took me a little bit to get over the sienna styling, but the extra 15 MPG over my grand caravan is awesome. The FWD Grand Caravan never really struggled in the snow, but the eAWD on the sienna is almost like not having snow in the first place. I highly doubt the kia drive train is going to be as durable, between the turbocharged engine and the complexity of a 6 speed and an electric motor.
I waiting sienna two and a half years，I booked kia at last month，Because my second child will be born in one month. I am very disappointed with Toyota, unreasonable price, long wait. And Kia is making progress across the board
I’m having so many electrical issues with the carnival right now. Been at the dealership for last 5 months they can’t get it started. Can’t figure it out. Hope the 25 madel is updated.
Thank you TFL for this review. Regarding the Kia Carnival with the 3.5l powertrain, any data on longevity of this engine or issues? Is it just direct injection or is Kia using both DI and Multiport? Appreciate all the video's you guys post. Cheers!
32 MPG US??? That would be impressive!! I’m in Canada so officially we are l/100km, but when we talk MPG it’s the Imperial gallon,,,, which is 1.20095 US gallons. Si the mpg we would calculate to would be 38.43 mpg!! Just a quirk, but 38.43 mpg (imp) sounds even better!! 😂😂😂. It’ll be interesting, but the reliability, which I occasionally challenge some Toyota products on, in this case could be a very real factor as well as the resale. Kia has an expensive routine maintenance program that’s close to Toyota’s. That isn’t any advantage either. For this one, gimmick & all that Kia offers with the Carnival, I prefer the Toyota Sienna. Looks like the two “Big” bosses 😂 are having a good time there at the CAS!! Great to see! 😊
We have a 2015 Sienna. Aside from the hybrid engine and a different front fascia this looks pretty much the same. Disappointed that in nine years that haven’t changed the interior much.
Dear Toyota and Honda: we love your cars but why can’t we get an AWD, PHEV van that gets at least 50 miles EV range, that seats 7-8, has an interior and infotainment that looks like it’s at least from the year 2024, you’ve made a lot more than a thousand of them so we’re not on a 2 year wait list so we don’t have to pay $5-15k over MSRP and it costs around $45-55k depending on trim level?? That sounds easy enough lol! 🤷♀️
I must say: I’ve been loyal to Kia with my last 2 vehicles. I had a Kia Soul with my family of 3. I kept it for 9 years. When my family grew to 5 people, my aunt bought my Kia Soul and I purchased a Kia Sorrento. It was used, but nonetheless. I would love to eventually replace my Kia Sorrento with a Hybrid vehicle and to stay in the Kia family would suit me just fine. Fyi: I drove a Kia Carnaval (regular) a couple years ago and it blew me away. I just couldn’t afford it at the time. Of course Toyota has better resell value, but the Toyota also has a hybrid engine that struggles carrying heavy passengers. 😅
I think these companies are missing the mark on minivans in general. I don’t buy a minivan because I want a hybrid or all-wheel-drive. I buy a minivan because I want an easily accessible third row seat that’s big enough to fit my giant American kids and have enough interior space for all of our stuff in the back
More manufacturers need to work on plug-in hybrids and re-evs. They give the best of both worlds, especially the range extended electric vehicles. With all the news and trouble coming out about pure electric vehicles, they clearly are not the end-all-be-all solution that the government wants. But a plug-in or range extended, especially the plug-ins solve a lot of those issues.
@@evoemperor3776 not really for a plug-in. Just need a bigger battery, a way to wall charge and slightly different software. The thing is a lot of manufacturers have plug-ins, but only one of their hybrids out of the whole lineup. It doesn't make sense why they wouldn't carry that technology over to other models. I think Toyota even got rid of the Prius plug-in, but don't quote me on that.
The Prius Prime is still available and there’s the RAV4 Prime. But as you said plug in hybrid needs a bigger battery. For large SUV and minivans they already have high the curb weights, adding a bigger battery will add even more to that, reducing the efficiency. As battery tech improves, eventually that will come. Also plug in works for those living in a house or has charging at work, for those living in apartments or in the city there’s just no infrastructure to provide the charging.
I'm outside the city i would still go with the V6 my current van is always loaded or moving quickly loaded.. with 6 people a few stuff going 70 to 80 mph with couple hills get 27 mpg.. 6 persons fully loaded right to the nuts plus a hitch cargo carrier with goods and 50 litres of fuel doing 75 to 85 mph still getting 21 mpg in the older 3.3 V6 plus i tow quite abit with mine.. which the hybrid suffers in high demand duties plus weak engine braking
Can you compare the back seat of the Kia Carnival Sx Prestige to the Lexus Ultra Luxury? I think these back seats are BETTER than the seats in the Lexus Ultra Luxury. I am very tempted to buy this because it can be a VIP transport vehicle in one instant and a minivan in another instant and a huge luggage transport system in another instant. So, Very versatile!
Toyota still builds an inferior product. I test drove the Sienna when I was minivan shopping and it is loud and anemic. I grew up driving pickups from the 70s and 80s that are quieter than this minivan under acceleration. Accelerating up a hill in the Sienna was unnerving with all the revs and noise. There is no way I could drive this daily in the hills of Virginia where I live. Kia did it right by using a turbo and a real transmission, I am sure it will drive 1000 times better than the Sienna. The Toyota Awd is a joke, just watch the TFL slip tests. Not until the Crown did Tommy say they finally got it right.
I am not a fan of the Kia. Maybe this looks better in person but I just saw one (maybe an older model year???) but that rear side portion with the silver piece is just awful. Otherwise, to me, maybe it would be okay but the one I saw in person I saw that trim piece and thought how horrible. It looks just like what you’re reviewing
In my opinion, TOYOTA & HONDA are so confidence about their vehicle's reliability, which is big thing I know. But in few year, they didn't care about anything interior feature, exterior design, and many option feature. Most of brand new TOYOTA & HONDA vehicle looks like 5 years ago. I think KIA is really take that point, and make their vehicle really good. I know TOYOTA is good car, but it looks so old...which is brand new car.
Come on Toyota, get with it! We all love your reliability and build quality, but the lack of innovation and reluctance to integrating more PHEV and fully electric models is super frustrating. I had the RAV4 Prime, and loved the EV range, 302 hp and quality that comes with a Toyota, but it was too small for my family of 5, the ride quality was very stiff and frankly uncomfortable, and the interior was bland and boring. The infotainment system felt dated and slow. We traded it for a Pacifica PHEV and overall we’ve been quite happy with it. I do wish it had a larger EV range but it’s a very comfortable van for long trips and the interior is just a lot nicer. My biggest concern with the Chrysler however is long term reliability and massive depreciation. Our value in 15 months of ownership is now almost half of what we paid for it and that’s pathetic! I don’t understand these car companies. A Sienna Prime is what I would really like to have, and with a much more modernized and updated interior and infotainment system.
Carnival looked really tight between the captains chairs like not enough room for a kid to get into the back seat ? I have more room in my 19 sienna 🤷🏼♂️
I have own Siennas for the past 14 years and love the reliability (driving a 2016 Sienna at this time), but I hate the design both interior and exterior. I would love to buy the interior and exterior design of the Carnival but with the engine and hybrid power of the Sienna. Still concerned about Kia engine reliability, especially their new hybrid
These vehicles are very well finished, but I question the real world fuel economy of this hybrid setup. (The Sportage and Tucson hybrid models are much lighter and fall far short of their 38/38 City/Hwy EPA estimates; 32 MPG is typical). Lots of buyers remorse. I'm not sure how Hyundai/Kia is getting away with these claims.
Guys when reviewing vehicles, remember to tell us your own height. I can tell you are a very tall person just by standing by the vehicle but it would have been nice to know your height so we can make better comparisons.
I'll take the one with the non-turbo engine and eCVT. One of these will last 300K miles and the other is a Kia. For the average consumer, the will trade it in 5 years down the road, so it doesn't really matter. The Kia is very stylish and looks more expensive.
WATCH THE RECENT SCANDAL OF TOYOTA MANIPULATIG DECADES OF DATA ABOUT PERFORMANCE AND SAFETY OF THEIR CARS, THERE IS YOUR TOYOTA REPUTATION AND RELIABILITY.
@@arhamkhakwani5851 BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER THAT SHOWS THE NATURE OF THE COMPANY, IF YOU SUPPORT A COMPANY THAT LIES AND DECEIVES TALKS VOLUMES OF YOUR CHARACTER AS WELL.
I'm over the Kia/Hyundai rage. 40k miles on my Stinger GT2 and I'm paying $2,600 for a starter replacement that apparently isn't covered under the legendary kia warranty. Build quality and longevity isn't in Kias ingredients.
GO READ ABOUT THE RECENT MASSIVE TOYOTA SCANDAL WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN MANIPULATIND PERFORMANCE AND SAFETY DATA OF THEIR CARS FOR DECADES, THERE IS YOUR TOYOTA REPUTATION AND RELIABILITY.
@@andresmattos7541 wtf does manipulated data have to do with reliability? Or are you one of those random tards that just blindly post dumb canned messages.
@@andresmattos7541 Perhaps you should also go read about this a little more, it involved Daihatsu Motor Corp., and Hino Motors, not US sold Toyota's, and it was emmissions related
@@TwinTurboToyota couple of years ago my Stinger sat for 2 months at the dealer for repairs. They're telling me 2 weeks for a stupid starter repair which is 2 grand for labor. For a car I don't drive much, it sure likes to break hard.
Toyota > Kia right now, there is a reason the Toyota sells and it's not down to a display or small aesthetics. Reliability, service plans, dealer care, there are major gaps in their overalls over life of ownership.
Only in US, Japan, China toyota sells more. Rest of world, hyundai/kia past toyota in sales.. by 2026 or 27 hyundai/kia will past toyota accroding to Samsung business research.
Toyota is the only one I know of with the EAWD system. Running a normal driveshaft to the rear axle would require a taller suspension and minimize any hybrid fuel gains.
the long screen in the carnival is not for me. I hate fingerprints and there will be a lot of finger prints. Too many seat movements for kids to play with.
Never understood why Kia and Hyundai make their hybrids with turbo charged engines. Having an engine turning off and on as much as a hybrid engine does sounds like a longevity disaster for a miniscule turbo 4. Even the Pacifica's NA V6 would hold up better to that abuse than a turbo'd hybrid
Kia missed the mark by not making the hybrid Carnival AWD.
It only adds weight, price, and reduced gas mileage. With global warming in full stride, you won't have to worry about snow. Besides, minivans and AWD are oxymoron
Kia would rather sell you a Telluride if you need AWD.
Kia missed mark by being Kia. They still are making shitty products
@@peopleschampgarage7869 Lol that's simply not true
@@peopleschampgarage7869 So wrong, year after year near the top in JD Power.
The Kia looks better inside and out. Probably a better price and you won't have to wait a year or more to get gouged by your local Toyota dealer.
Yeah, and it's junk. It'll fall apart and need warranty repairs within a couple of years. One of the rear seats even broke in this video on the show vehicle. No thanks. I'll stick to Toyota. I have 16 year old Gen 2 Prius, and a 12 year old Prius V, and we'll be trading in the Prius V for a Sienna as soon as they get my order in. No worries, I can wait. We have over two years before our second baby could be coming along.
@@Moshe_Dayan44 what are you talking about? lol they just didnt know how to put the seat back. it didn't break.
I don't understand the hate with minivans. I personally have a diesel pickup and a mini van as my two vehicles and it's the perfect combo. Truck does truck things, van does van things. It's comfy to drive, super versatile with the stow-n-go seats, and my daughter loves it. I've even camped in it and I've transported my daughter's small ATV in it. It's friggin sweet.
I don't understand the hate either. Minivans are the most versatile vehicles. I drove to the airport 3 adults, 3 children passengers, 10 large luggages (50 pounds), 5 carry on luggage, with 22 MPG. What car can you do that with?
I have transported everything with my minivan. 10x8s, washer and dryer at the same time (with second row chairs removed) , concrete bags, everything I could fit in it 😁
One of my biggest regrets (somewhere in my top 20) is not pushing my family to get a minivan 7 years ago. We got an MDX and its a nightmare in terms of space, at least as a three row.
Kia's have REALLY stepped up their designs way more than toyota or honda have over the past few years. This looks so much better than a traditional mini van look. My next car is going to be a station wagon, and I was really regretting it, because as a guy, I don't want to drive something that LOOKS like a minivan. This is the first one I've seen that looks more like it's just an extended length, regular SUV. That doesn't look like it's an obvious soccer mom car. Thank you kia
Everyone says "they're junk" but every Kia I've driven has been very nice, loaded with features that the competition does not have. It doesn't surprise me that the interior of the Kia was more luxurious than in the Toyota.
kia's ARE junk, they lure you in with their warranty and their interiors, but you will soon learn why people stay away from kia's. very shallow cars with more style than substance. their value drops very fast and will often not last long. good luck with that.
They are great to drive but owning them like gambling
@@emikomina FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO CRY ABOUT KIA RELIABILITY:
TOYOTA admitted that data on the power output of 10 models sold worldwide had been manipulated, prompting an apology from Toyota President Koji Sato to the company’s customers.
Toyota Motor Corp. said on Monday that power output data had been manipulated for 10 of its models sold globally.
Toyota Industries said Monday it fabricated data on the torque output of diesel engines it makes and supplies to Toyota, resulting in a partial halt of shipments of its cars.
An independent investigation has expanded to uncover "irregularities" in data for safety tests on 64 models, including 22 sold under the Toyota brand. It means Daihatsu, which first fessed up to rigged data in April and again in May, joins the massed ranks of shamed Japanese automakers discovered to have been concocting test data.
Daihatsu (TOYOTA OWNED) stopped all shipments at home and abroad last month due to safety test rigging. Hino motors (TOYOTA OWNED) admitted in March 2022 to submitting fraudulent emissions and fuel economy data to transport authorities.
@@Agmhd Another SOB who thinks this is 1980.
What's the best source to know how the reliability compares to Toyota Sienna @@andresmattos7541
Mini vans have come a long way. I think the Kia looks better ! Andre is hilarious!!
My cousin always had minivans, I was never a fan, but now that I've spent time in my cousin's van I hate my car. The van is so much nicer. Sure if you've got kids they are great, but if you are taking care of older parents they are fabulous too. Older people and handicap people often take a toll when doing long trips, those reclining seats would be amazing for them.
Plus, minivans are just more comfortable for anyone. Now that the gas mileage is better I'm all for having one. Plus, this Kia looks really amazing inside and out.
Great vid. You guys seem to have more fun making vids than the young’uns on your team. Random question: what brand glasses on Roman?
Mini vans are the road tripping machines that people make fun of because they haven't driven one on a long trip.
Great Video. Commentary of both is the best 😂
Toyota needs a Sienna prime!! They didn’t have the platinum version which has 4 zone climate and the ottomans, powered tilt/slide steering wheel, 12 way powered front seats, auto wipers, adaptive headlights.. also Sienna has had ottomans since the 2011 model year so nothing really new there
But the Kia has power second row seats and ventilated rear seats. And also only the driver seat gets 4 way lumbar. The passenger seat only moves in 4 ways vs 8 ways on the Kia
And the Kia has a rear sunroof that opens which the sienna used to have
@@naveenthemachineand the kia is still the biggest pile of junk you can get
@@Georgewashington-o7m SAYS THE F LOSER WHO ONLY DRIVE FERRARIS RIGHT? READ ABOUT THE RECENT TOYOTA RECALLS AND THEM LYING ABOUT THEIR PERFORMNACE AND SAFETY, GOOGLE IT.
@@Georgewashington-o7m not anymore grandpa. You’ve clearly missed out on
@@Georgewashington-o7m Pacifica has entered the chat
Welcome to Chicago.
Good luck finding a Sienna on a lot. Been on the wait list for 3 months. Plus lowest I have seen is MSRP. Started to look at odyssey and carnival so this was very helpful.
I really don't understand why there's a such shortage of Sienna. Is Toyota still having supply and manufacturing issues or they simply can't build the Sienna fast enough
Canada local dealership tells me waiting time is 2 yr for hybrid awd sienna lol
@@whyallthefuss201 Toyota minivan sells very well in Asia and other emerging markets. In US, Toyota SUV generates more profits. The correct question should be "Why would Toyota ship more minivans to US to cannibalize its own SUV sales and generate less profit?"
@@CharDaiDaddy Toyota Siennas sold in the US are made in the US. From what I am able to gather, the Indiana factory is making as many Siennas as possible. Maybe they simply miscalculated the demand
Demand of Sienna is very high. I waited over 1 year to buy my 2023 Sienna AWD in east coast at MSRP, and glad I waited. I am averaging 37 mpg overall and it drives well. Toyota’s reliability is unmatched.
From 2022+ Kia Carnival General Discussion Forum :
I just got the 2023 SX Prestige but there has been some rattling noise when I driver on the bumpy road/ uneven surfaced road.
I have this also. Same (perceived) location. Can't really pinpoint location. May be in driver's door as it sometimes goes away if I open and close the door at a stop.
I just got a new Kia carnival 2024 sx and am hearing the same rattling near the front side/seat belt column area on both drivers and passengers door.
Yep. Same issue with me. It seems to only make the noise on the highway. But it is totally random.
I’m having the same issue with my 2024 SX prestige. The noise seems to be from driver/sliding door on driver side.
I have the 2024 Kia Carnival and I hear rattling noise when I drive over uneven roads/pavement coming from the rear of the vehicle.
Got our 2023 SX Prestige last week and from the first mile itself, I could hear some clunking noise from the back when I go over bad patches of road/speed bumps.
did anyone had same problem as mine... squeaking / creaking sound from dashboard when drive on uneven / bumpy road...
Yes! Got our car on Oct 22, 2022. It’s an ex 2023. Today 10/27/2022 I started to notice. Creaking noise when I stop and go and on some slightly bumpy roads…. I don’t like it
I have a kia carnival sx prestige, I have the creaking sound just whenever it wants to make the noise, I have replaced the struts and mounts, leftside lower control arm and the brakes and still the same sound, took it to kia and they charged me for 2 hours of trying to figure it out, 465.00 . I had someone tell me it sounds like 2 pieces of plastic scraping rubbing together and the noise sounds like under the driver's seat to him. I about to trade it for a dodge.
I have a noise at random times on the highway. Sounds like it is coming from the lower part of the driver side door.
Anyone find a fix for this, my 22 EX+ model is doing this, seems like plastic trim behind the dual screens in the noise source.
My 22 carnival is a conversation starter at daycare and costco.
Picking up ladies at Costco? I've heardj that the ladies who shop at Costco are not afraid of driving sensible vehicles like the Carnival. Jk. 😄
its nicknamed the clown car for a reason, you'd defnitely find a clown inside a carnvial 🤡
Your Kia brings all the MILFS to the yard....
For the Carnaval to move to the #1 position on my purchase list , it has to get AWD to make it the best it can be in the snow-belt states
Not even just snowbelt. Not wanting to get stuck in a tiny bit of mud at a campsite is preferable.
Several ppl drive minivans in the snow in Canada and they are fine. Awd isn't always necessary and it's more maintenance @xtremecoast
@@mattblock6616 Good for them. Normal people don't want to change tires every 6 months. Good all season tires and AWD is the way to go. My mazda is amazing with regular tires.
@@xtremecoast define normal. And how much of these "normal" are in the majority. Ppl but a lot of fwd cars in winter areas. And have you heard of tire rotations?
@@mattblock6616 tire rotations are not the same thing. Moving the same set of tires around versus having 2 sets of tires is completely different.
"...we're professionals Andre, as you can tell"
proceeds to struggling with a seat.😅😅😅🤣
I've said this in other videos. I test drove the SX, dark package.
A few things for my fellow shoppers:
If you get the entertainment addition and you don't have the power seats in the second row, when you pull the lever to bring the seats forward they come with so much velocity that they will crash into the screen. Check it out for yourself. If you're not holding with both hands that seat whips forward.
The HUD is very faint if you are wearing polarized sunglasses.
If you want the VIP chairs, check where your feet are bc you most likely will be tucked under the front seats. It seemed more like a gimmick than true comfort.
You're here again.
Aren't you bored?
You know, but it's broken again
We were looking at Vans couple years ago like 2019 I show my wife to sienna she said that thing is ugly I showed her the Odyssey she fell in love with the Odyssey we still have it to this day and it rides good and great and comfortable.
Odyssey is uglier though lol
Will you be able to buy either lol Siennas are a long wait right now and Kia Canada is withholding a lot of deliveries particularly hybrids, I'm not optimistic.
It took me a little bit to get over the sienna styling, but the extra 15 MPG over my grand caravan is awesome. The FWD Grand Caravan never really struggled in the snow, but the eAWD on the sienna is almost like not having snow in the first place.
I highly doubt the kia drive train is going to be as durable, between the turbocharged engine and the complexity of a 6 speed and an electric motor.
The kis minivan looks awesome! They made a minivan look good!
I own a 2023 sienna XLE plus fwd and I average 32 mpg so Kia is moving in the right direction but reliability would still be a concern for me anyway!
I have a 2006 Nissan quest mini van and love my next van will be the carnival looks nice and luxurious
the glasses make Roman look like Tommy
Still waiting for our Sienna... i should just preorder the Kia and see which one comes quicker. Toyota needs to bring more units to Canada!
Whats the wait times that they mentioned for the Sienna?
I waiting sienna two and a half years，I booked kia at last month，Because my second child will be born in one month. I am very disappointed with Toyota, unreasonable price, long wait. And Kia is making progress across the board
I’m having so many electrical issues with the carnival right now. Been at the dealership for last 5 months they can’t get it started. Can’t figure it out. Hope the 25 madel is updated.
Thank you TFL for this review. Regarding the Kia Carnival with the 3.5l powertrain, any data on longevity of this engine or issues? Is it just direct injection or is Kia using both DI and Multiport? Appreciate all the video's you guys post. Cheers!
“This is complicated”’ that is all I needed to hear.
You guys are awesome 😂
32 MPG US??? That would be impressive!! I’m in Canada so officially we are l/100km, but when we talk MPG it’s the Imperial gallon,,,, which is 1.20095 US gallons. Si the mpg we would calculate to would be 38.43 mpg!!
Just a quirk, but 38.43 mpg (imp) sounds even better!! 😂😂😂.
It’ll be interesting, but the reliability, which I occasionally challenge some Toyota products on, in this case could be a very real factor as well as the resale. Kia has an expensive routine maintenance program that’s close to Toyota’s. That isn’t any advantage either. For this one, gimmick & all that Kia offers with the Carnival, I prefer the Toyota Sienna.
Looks like the two “Big” bosses 😂 are having a good time there at the CAS!! Great to see! 😊
We have a 2015 Sienna. Aside from the hybrid engine and a different front fascia this looks pretty much the same. Disappointed that in nine years that haven’t changed the interior much.
Dear Toyota and Honda: we love your cars but why can’t we get an AWD, PHEV van that gets at least 50 miles EV range, that seats 7-8, has an interior and infotainment that looks like it’s at least from the year 2024, you’ve made a lot more than a thousand of them so we’re not on a 2 year wait list so we don’t have to pay $5-15k over MSRP and it costs around $45-55k depending on trim level?? That sounds easy enough lol! 🤷♀️
I must say: I’ve been loyal to Kia with my last 2 vehicles. I had a Kia Soul with my family of 3. I kept it for 9 years. When my family grew to 5 people, my aunt bought my Kia Soul and I purchased a Kia Sorrento. It was used, but nonetheless. I would love to eventually replace my Kia Sorrento with a Hybrid vehicle and to stay in the Kia family would suit me just fine.
Fyi: I drove a Kia Carnaval (regular) a couple years ago and it blew me away. I just couldn’t afford it at the time.
Of course Toyota has better resell value, but the Toyota also has a hybrid engine that struggles carrying heavy passengers. 😅
i had one, and it's so good value, best car in range for family
One thing I don't like is it doesn't have all wheel drive option.
where I live the demand for Sienna was crazy, the waiting list was 5 years. Now it has come to 2 years since the Grand Highlander came
Make sure you know how much to pay for replace the batteries 🔋? Scary to find out
I think these companies are missing the mark on minivans in general. I don’t buy a minivan because I want a hybrid or all-wheel-drive. I buy a minivan because I want an easily accessible third row seat that’s big enough to fit my giant American kids and have enough interior space for all of our stuff in the back
More manufacturers need to work on plug-in hybrids and re-evs. They give the best of both worlds, especially the range extended electric vehicles. With all the news and trouble coming out about pure electric vehicles, they clearly are not the end-all-be-all solution that the government wants. But a plug-in or range extended, especially the plug-ins solve a lot of those issues.
Problem is they are alot more complex than EVs and internal combustion engine.
@@evoemperor3776 not really for a plug-in. Just need a bigger battery, a way to wall charge and slightly different software. The thing is a lot of manufacturers have plug-ins, but only one of their hybrids out of the whole lineup. It doesn't make sense why they wouldn't carry that technology over to other models. I think Toyota even got rid of the Prius plug-in, but don't quote me on that.
The Prius Prime is still available and there’s the RAV4 Prime. But as you said plug in hybrid needs a bigger battery. For large SUV and minivans they already have high the curb weights, adding a bigger battery will add even more to that, reducing the efficiency. As battery tech improves, eventually that will come. Also plug in works for those living in a house or has charging at work, for those living in apartments or in the city there’s just no infrastructure to provide the charging.
@@ebels3The prius prime (phev) still exists.
I want an off road 4 wheel drive VAN !!
sprinter
I'm outside the city i would still go with the V6 my current van is always loaded or moving quickly loaded.. with 6 people a few stuff going 70 to 80 mph with couple hills get 27 mpg.. 6 persons fully loaded right to the nuts plus a hitch cargo carrier with goods and 50 litres of fuel doing 75 to 85 mph still getting 21 mpg in the older 3.3 V6 plus i tow quite abit with mine.. which the hybrid suffers in high demand duties plus weak engine braking
I had 2005 sedona good for 300kmiles
And 2014 sedona with 270kmiles by nextyear 300kmiles..drives like new . Seats cushion still firm.
What is tow rating for Carnival hybrid? Does it match Siennas 3500 lb?
Same 3500lb
Has Hyundai-Kia 1.6 hybrid engine solved the fuel mixing with engine oil...?
Who has a better ac?
Can you compare the back seat of the Kia Carnival Sx Prestige to the Lexus Ultra Luxury? I think these back seats are BETTER than the seats in the Lexus Ultra Luxury. I am very tempted to buy this because it can be a VIP transport vehicle in one instant and a minivan in another instant and a huge luggage transport system in another instant. So, Very versatile!
I keep looking for a van without that space robbing center console, is there any out there?
Maybe wait for the VW Buzz? The Hyundai Staria is available with 3 across front seating... but of COURSE it's not available in the USA!
The carnival looks great. 2 issues for me. I dont like the name, and it should be all wheel drive.
I hope these guys don't quit their day job.
Toyota relies on their reliability to sell vehicles, and that's why they don't push the envelope on innovation.
Cuz without their reliability, nobody will buy it
Toyota still builds an inferior product. I test drove the Sienna when I was minivan shopping and it is loud and anemic. I grew up driving pickups from the 70s and 80s that are quieter than this minivan under acceleration. Accelerating up a hill in the Sienna was unnerving with all the revs and noise. There is no way I could drive this daily in the hills of Virginia where I live. Kia did it right by using a turbo and a real transmission, I am sure it will drive 1000 times better than the Sienna. The Toyota Awd is a joke, just watch the TFL slip tests. Not until the Crown did Tommy say they finally got it right.
it's all water under the bridge " TFL new Motto.. But that Hand off film wise was good..
It was the year 2024. Auto bloggers continued to refer to Toyota's hybrid systems as CVTs...
I am not a fan of the Kia. Maybe this looks better in person but I just saw one (maybe an older model year???) but that rear side portion with the silver piece is just awful. Otherwise, to me, maybe it would be okay but the one I saw in person I saw that trim piece and thought how horrible. It looks just like what you’re reviewing
In my opinion, TOYOTA & HONDA are so confidence about their vehicle's reliability, which is big thing I know.
But in few year, they didn't care about anything interior feature, exterior design, and many option feature.
Most of brand new TOYOTA & HONDA vehicle looks like 5 years ago.
I think KIA is really take that point, and make their vehicle really good.
I know TOYOTA is good car, but it looks so old...which is brand new car.
Good minivan but the Sienna just feels more functional and better laid out interior wise.
Come on Toyota, get with it! We all love your reliability and build quality, but the lack of innovation and reluctance to integrating more PHEV and fully electric models is super frustrating. I had the RAV4 Prime, and loved the EV range, 302 hp and quality that comes with a Toyota, but it was too small for my family of 5, the ride quality was very stiff and frankly uncomfortable, and the interior was bland and boring. The infotainment system felt dated and slow. We traded it for a Pacifica PHEV and overall we’ve been quite happy with it. I do wish it had a larger EV range but it’s a very comfortable van for long trips and the interior is just a lot nicer. My biggest concern with the Chrysler however is long term reliability and massive depreciation. Our value in 15 months of ownership is now almost half of what we paid for it and that’s pathetic! I don’t understand these car companies. A Sienna Prime is what I would really like to have, and with a much more modernized and updated interior and infotainment system.
Carnival looked really tight between the captains chairs like not enough room for a kid to get into the back seat ? I have more room in my 19 sienna 🤷🏼♂️
AWD minivans are the new affordable Suburban/Expedition alternatives for families
I have own Siennas for the past 14 years and love the reliability (driving a 2016 Sienna at this time), but I hate the design both interior and exterior.
I would love to buy the interior and exterior design of the Carnival but with the engine and hybrid power of the Sienna. Still concerned about Kia engine reliability, especially their new hybrid
These vehicles are very well finished, but I question the real world fuel economy of this hybrid setup. (The Sportage and Tucson hybrid models are much lighter and fall far short of their 38/38 City/Hwy EPA estimates; 32 MPG is typical). Lots of buyers remorse. I'm not sure how Hyundai/Kia is getting away with these claims.
Be a Sienna owner. I would say Sienna is a cost friendly tool, that's it. Nothing is really enjoyable besides when you are pumping gas😂
Guys when reviewing vehicles, remember to tell us your own height. I can tell you are a very tall person just by standing by the vehicle but it would have been nice to know your height so we can make better comparisons.
In the end, it's still a KIA.. LOL
the infotainment on the sienna is a joke. don't know why they haven't put in the new infotainment that the highlander and corolla got last year.
An incident occurred in Korea where the owner's Carnival burned down after 5 minutes of driving and Kia urgently issued a refund.
Which is better in a crash?
I'll take the one with the non-turbo engine and eCVT. One of these will last 300K miles and the other is a Kia.
For the average consumer, the will trade it in 5 years down the road, so it doesn't really matter. The Kia is very stylish and looks more expensive.
One will go 10-15-20 years and 200-300-400k. The other most likely will not…
Dude not everyone wants to drive the same thing for 20years. Get a life
I have 2014 kia sedona with 270kmiles drives like new..
This is a car from 2025, the Toyota is a car from 2005.
Let’s hope Kia addressed those horrendous crash test ratings.
WATCH THE RECENT SCANDAL OF TOYOTA MANIPULATIG DECADES OF DATA ABOUT PERFORMANCE AND SAFETY OF THEIR CARS, THERE IS YOUR TOYOTA REPUTATION AND RELIABILITY.
@@andresmattos7541that didn’t affect the North American vehicles. Mainly it was those sold in Asia.
Always seeing in a negative light.
@@arhamkhakwani5851 BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER THAT SHOWS THE NATURE OF THE COMPANY, IF YOU SUPPORT A COMPANY THAT LIES AND DECEIVES TALKS VOLUMES OF YOUR CHARACTER AS WELL.
I support Toyota because their vehicles are reliable and safe.@@andresmattos7541
The new stigma is the Tahoe and Yukon, mothers carting their 1 child around in a bus
I'm over the Kia/Hyundai rage. 40k miles on my Stinger GT2 and I'm paying $2,600 for a starter replacement that apparently isn't covered under the legendary kia warranty. Build quality and longevity isn't in Kias ingredients.
GO READ ABOUT THE RECENT MASSIVE TOYOTA SCANDAL WHERE THEY HAVE BEEN MANIPULATIND PERFORMANCE AND SAFETY DATA OF THEIR CARS FOR DECADES, THERE IS YOUR TOYOTA REPUTATION AND RELIABILITY.
@@andresmattos7541 wtf does manipulated data have to do with reliability? Or are you one of those random tards that just blindly post dumb canned messages.
@@andresmattos7541 Perhaps you should also go read about this a little more, it involved Daihatsu Motor Corp., and Hino Motors, not US sold Toyota's, and it was emmissions related
Their vehicles are trash and always will be. Don’t be shocked that they denied you, countless people have talked about be denied repairs.
@@TwinTurboToyota couple of years ago my Stinger sat for 2 months at the dealer for repairs. They're telling me 2 weeks for a stupid starter repair which is 2 grand for labor. For a car I don't drive much, it sure likes to break hard.
AWD?
1.6 turbo for big car like this?
C'mon kia
A turbo-charged KIA? Talk about reliability headaches within 3 or 4 years.
TOYOTA has a e-CVT, 2 motors and planetary gears, no belts or pulleys, proven hybrid 20 years experience, AWD has no transfer case or rear prop shaft
I have 2022 Toyota Sienna, but I don't like my car. I will change Sienna to another SUV like Telluride or Carnival.
I thought Kia finally dumped the parrot fish grill look?
Toyota > Kia right now, there is a reason the Toyota sells and it's not down to a display or small aesthetics. Reliability, service plans, dealer care, there are major gaps in their overalls over life of ownership.
Only in US, Japan, China toyota sells more. Rest of world, hyundai/kia past toyota in sales.. by 2026 or 27 hyundai/kia will past toyota accroding to Samsung business research.
Oh go the seat debacle...
Not too smart!
Just remember, the Kia will eventually blow up on you
The Kia actually did better in reliability .
You actually is do bad with grammar
Source?
@@daweed980there is a some resources out there but you tube will not me say what
I wish Kia gave the carnival an AWD option..
Toyota is the only one I know of with the EAWD system. Running a normal driveshaft to the rear axle would require a taller suspension and minimize any hybrid fuel gains.
@rowerwet I can live with all that if AWD was on the table
I feel like 1.6T on a vehicle this big wouldn’t that strain the engine? Albeit being a hybrid…
Still can't beat 36 mpg.
THANK YOU HONDA for the V6!!!!!!!!!!!
Canival has V6as well and more advanced dual MPI GDI PORT.
it looks like the kia picanto that they sell in asia
No AWD. What the heck were they thinking? I would have been an instant buyer. Hard pass now.
Got an average of 37.8 miles per gallon from my new Sienna XLE
I got 39.6 from my 2024 Sienna XSE FWD.
The pointy hood on the Toyota Minivan looks dumb...
O this is my next car❤
KIA ATW!!!
Sienna vs carnival = 2 yr+ waiting list pay way above msrp, no wait pay around msrp 😂😂😂
The Toyota Sienna looks nice, but you lost me at CVT
It's not a conventional CVT, it's an e- CVT, It has 2 electric motors and planetary gears no belts or pulleys Very reliable.
Rough shoot on this one...fun and painful all in one vid
Kia 11seaters must be hybrid
the long screen in the carnival is not for me. I hate fingerprints and there will be a lot of finger prints. Too many seat movements for kids to play with.
Never understood why Kia and Hyundai make their hybrids with turbo charged engines. Having an engine turning off and on as much as a hybrid engine does sounds like a longevity disaster for a miniscule turbo 4. Even the Pacifica's NA V6 would hold up better to that abuse than a turbo'd hybrid
Kia❤❤❤
My local Toyota dealerships tell me 1-2 years until I would be able to get a Sienna! Crazy.
Toyota might speed up production if they start losing alot of sales to Kia due to AVAILABILITY
Wow
You were cheated, it should be at least 3 years